Following Sony's move to block PS3 hackers from the console's online functions, a new jailbreak has been released which reportedly allows users to unban themselves on PSN.
Reports of the platform holder banning jailbreak users began appearing on Thursday, after Sony released a warning to anyone taking advantage of hacks.
"A circumvention device and/or unauthorized or pirated software currently resides on your PlayStation(R)3 system. Immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from your PlayStation(R)3 system. Failure to do so will result in termination of your access to the PlayStation(R)Network and access to Qriocity(TM) services through your PlayStation(R)3 system."
However, Destructoid reports that an all-new jailbreak not only claims to allow user to unban themselves, but also to ban (and presumably unban) other PS3s - so long as the perpetrator is in possession of their console ID.
It all sounds dodgy as sin, obviously. But Geohot's not rapping. Which can only be a Good Thing.
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slaney on 19 Feb '11 said:
im so genuinely gutted to hear this =/
if i was Sony's CEO, id probably be in a corner, head in hands, sobbing quietly.
justforkicks101 on 19 Feb '11 said:
hackers 2 sony 1..
Laughlyn on 19 Feb '11 said:
now this is summat i dont like about the homebrew stuff. Being able to ban other people is a pretty bad thing to be given the ability to do, to sum immature annoyance.
alph3 on 19 Feb '11 said:
MAC address banning?
Houdini Splicer on 19 Feb '11 said:
All this will lead to is more lawsuits and Sony bricking ps3s instead of banning them from PSN.
slick loose on 19 Feb '11 said:
imo it doesn't matter. SONY just keep applying the pressure making more and more people just think it's not worth it. In the end it there will only be an handful left, the ones who have nothing better to do with their life other than keep updating their hacks.
newsinthefield on 19 Feb '11 said:
Hands up if you're surprised.
LoGAReTM on 19 Feb '11 said:
LOL
Undo the ban is one thing , But Banning Others is EPIC , i'm not saying it's good ,,,, it's really bad and now sony have alot of problems to solve ..... as far as i know that didn't happen on any other system.
karlrobert23uk on 19 Feb '11 said:
Like i have said before all this will do in the end is bring forward the ps4 release
markyR on 19 Feb '11 said:
Well done Geohot, failoverflow, pat your good selves on the back. You ambition to 'play homebrew' or 'install Linux' has now enabled hackers to ban everyone....
This entire Sony fiasco has REALLY put hackers in the lime light, and it's a VERY bad lime light that they FULLY deserve. The industry, not just Sony, will now be even more hell bent on making a point from these people and ensure they get locked up.....
Immortal on 19 Feb '11 said:
they should just go round to these peoples houses and beat them to a pulp and also smash the ps3's
slaney on 19 Feb '11 said:
that hackers now have the power to ban others?
*raises hand*
alan666 on 19 Feb '11 said:
well Sony only have themselves to blame.
MattyR95 on 19 Feb '11 said:
Sony need to start screwing their PS3s up, so they can't just unban themselves. Sony should send some people after these guys and physically ''ban'' them with their Fists.
Do they? How?
double tap on 19 Feb '11 said:
To all the pr**ts that keep posting defense and excuses for these hacker's, please give us the reasoning and defense of this latest attack on legitimate gamers. Homebrew my arse.
Windowlicker79 on 19 Feb '11 said:
I think Sony need to write some sort of self destruct code to completely destroy hacked PS3s.
kirankara on 19 Feb '11 said:
They will start lightly , as they prefer to not lose customers altogether, but will eventually after gentle coercements, just brick those ps3s."According to the terms and conditions of the PlayStation Network, this effectively makes you fair game for a PSN ban of which many variations exist - a timed suspension or even a lifelong ban. The amount of access Sony has to your machine is greater than you probably suspect: the company even has the means to irrevocably disable your console should it so wish, and if that happens, it will remain non-functional whether you're online or offline."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... ilbreaking
Either way for people who want to be online playing with hacks etc, it won't be worth their while . Offline they can do what they want though
Flamey UK on 19 Feb '11 said:
yeah come on alan we can't wait to hear this one....
El Mag on 19 Feb '11 said:
MORE BREAKING NEWS
Apparently the hackers have released another jailbreak, this is the worst yet it does the following things.
1. Eats your Hob Nobs
2. Turns any dvd/blu ray you put into your PS3 into a Westlife live in concert dvd
3. Steals all your left shoes
4. Gives you the ability to get out of jail free without a card, and collect £600 by passing go
5. When you eject a game from your PS3 it turns into Jedward
Now i'm sure the hackers have even more powers and this is just the start, it has to be true because they seem like a lovely bunch and wouldn't ever talk crap. I'm off to hide in my fallout shelter, shout me when the world is over and Alan666 is running what's left with his sexbot 360.
Very_Silver_Ownz on 19 Feb '11 said:
Just imagine the hackers ban every single user on PSN. then sony would have a real problem.
craiglackenby on 19 Feb '11 said:
Why the f**k has CVg got an ad for PS3 break at the bottom of the page? (I take it it's jail break) If it is then they are just as bad.
MW2 has been really good with only one hacker I've came across in 3-4 days, so now it will go to the s**t again
Very_Silver_Ownz on 19 Feb '11 said:
'' well Sony only have themselves to blame. ''
whats sony done ?
chamony on 19 Feb '11 said:
surely this cant be right? sony must be banning there end not our end so to ban/unban someone would have to be done on a server level based on a consoles unique id, like a mobile phones puk code??
i haven't researched this or anything but if all sony has done is add some piece of code to a hacked machine to say its hacked then obviously that would get bypassed and therefore abused,
but if it is done at the psn server then you have more to worry about than getting randomly banned by a hacker who doesn't like you, because if its that easy to hack there servers what other info can they access?
overall either sony has been very stupid (again), or this story is bull
Laughlyn on 19 Feb '11 said:
I been doing some googling and its basically using a small program called 'Charles' that sends a blank data file to sonys servers using the DNS bypass method of connecting to PSN. There is some uncertainty as to wether it works or not but to get someone else banned all you would need to do is put their PSN ID, Passowrd/email address in the program and it'd send their details to sonys servers instead. sony read teh data on teh machine and ban that account on any PS3 and your jolly hacker just uses a blank file or sum other unlucky sod again.
Bet all them folk on Gamesharing forums are crapping themselves now for giving out their details lol
sonic_uk on 19 Feb '11 said:
Just I.P ban the assholes. Job done.
Imaduck on 19 Feb '11 said:
Firstly, I want to say that I do not support the hackers or their actions.
However, I feel Sony have walked into this one in ways. How? I'll do my best to explain myself.
These hackers exist to find barriers and walls and pull them down. They revel in the whole "we're doing what we're not allowed to" factor, all that "stick it to the man" stuff. With their early hacks, they did very little damage to anything other than Sony's ego. All they did was open it up a little as has happened to the others. However, at that point Sony went to war, and of course the hackers made it personal.
Now, Sony have had many important walls broken by the hackers and they now appear to have something personal against Sony, they're the perfect mark for hackers now. It's a "fight the system" thing, it's gone personal. It's spiralling out of control really fast. Sony can only find the real roots of the problems if they reveal themselves (the hackers). Things spread across the internet like STD's at a Ke$ha show. This is a really dirty issue now and bits of it are everywhere.
I'm not saying I support this, but I do feel Sony walked into it, they kicked the lion. To my mind they should've settled for the smaller evil of the two, and I reckon if they had they would've avoided this like the other big companies.
timewarp1 on 19 Feb '11 said:
You cant IP ban, most IP providers use dynamic IP. I would imagine they connect through proxy anyway.
Other than Sony setting up some kind of system with your ISP whereby they update your IP address with sony server every month so if you suddenly connect from california when you usually connect from Blackpool, I dont know.
The game is fcuked. Long live the game!
damoxuk on 19 Feb '11 said:
f**king What?? No one touches my Hob Nobs - time to bring out the grikkin chainsaw.
Izo on 19 Feb '11 said:
What bizarre security code did Sony's encryption team come up with for Sony to end up in this situation?
markyR on 19 Feb '11 said:
Oh God....
Sony have done NOTHING to cause this hack. It removed Linux, so what, if Geohot left that alone it would still be there.
perhaps Sony thought, stupidly, that people were grown up in the world and had better things to do in life? Not about the hacking as no one cares, but more so about the t**ts hacking and then posting that hack and all key information on how to do it and the unuiqe keys gained from said hack on the friggin internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, so they can play some crappy home made games
I'm sorry, but anyone who supports the hackers, or the hackers themselves have, and are loosing EVERY argument on this. Try as much as you like but I see it everywhere, people beating any hacker argument to a pulp. Because it's impossible to justify this action no matter how you put it and the only people who are really loosing out are us gamers who have moral's, which seems to be about 90% of us or more....
KMakawa on 19 Feb '11 said:
Not making it hard enough for kids in dorm rooms to figure out the masterkey, would be a bright idea.
Paradaz - UK on 19 Feb '11 said:
.....and not claiming that its 'uncrackable' would be a great start. I have a feeling they'll learn by their mistakes and may not be so stupid next time around.
djreplay on 19 Feb '11 said:
Sounds like bs to me.
double tap on 19 Feb '11 said:
DavidVM on 19 Feb '11 said:
The hackers aren't just screwing over Sony with this, they're also screwing over PS3 users as well and I'm not talking about the risk of being banned by some bedroom crusader. Sony will be releasing hastily put together and no doubt buggy updates to cope with further jailbreaks and all the time they're spending on fighting these fires could be spent on improving PSN.
double tap on 19 Feb '11 said:
And the first to step forward is......
Sorry about the double post.
Soviet1918 on 19 Feb '11 said:
Oh know not me Hob Nobs a man has to draw the line at some point and thats it.
waltyftm on 19 Feb '11 said:
You are an arsehole please STFU.
RandyNinja on 19 Feb '11 said:
didnt this all start because sony took away the ability to boot to another o/s . so i would say its sonys faults
fps_d0minat0r on 19 Feb '11 said:
the hackers simply don't get it....their just going to be playing cat and mouse for the rest of this gen rather than enjoying the games legitimately.
Fr33Kye on 19 Feb '11 said:
The removal of the other OS doesn't justify this in any way. If you wanna hack your ps3 to run your own code, fine do so, but you are fully aware that sony do not want this done. So to do this, and still feel you have a right to psn, and to post videos showing others how to do the same, is ridiculous. No sympathy for them at all. Sony may have removed the other OS in fear of piracy, fine, that was wrong, hack your ps3 to run your own code. Just don't think you are still entitled to psn once you do and don't release a video on how to circumvent security and expect nothing to happen. Sony is no hero but the hackers made them the good guy in this fight. I would almost feel bad for the original hackers if they didn't make a video called "PS3 EPIC FAIL" .
timewarp1 on 19 Feb '11 said:
@Randy Ninja - nearly there. It started cos hackers were trying to compromise the PS3 through Other o/s
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8478764.stm
Check the date of the article....
Laughlyn on 19 Feb '11 said:
Just for all the folk doing a rate panic over this, from what i've read they CANT just ban anyone willy nilly.
In typical CVG fashion the title is a little misleading.
From the forums and articles i've read, theres a small homebrew program which manipulates the data packet sent to PSN servers, Sony use this data file being used via the known DNS bypass method, they use the information stored in it to ban the account (PSN ID, email/password) all the program does is allow u to input any details u wish into the code, most people are using blank data meaning they can get online and when sonys servers start swinging the Ban Bat theres no PSNID to ban.
what the 'Ban other users' refers to is that if u know someones PSNID, Login and Password u can put these details into the homebrew software and deliberatly go online with a hacked PS3 and get that account banned.
What i didnt like about what i read is that by using the software, those that are sucessful (and its hit and miss at moment) have been able to get around their CoD ban too meaning that they can now get back online with their game hacks and ruin everyones online games, as if treyarch hadnt done enough of that as it is.
Imaduck on 19 Feb '11 said:
I honestly don't know Double, and never would claim that I did. Sony needs to work it out NOW though. They need to find a way to not only stop the current problems but discourage future attempts. The best way to do that is to NOT paint targets on yourself, not be appealing to hackers. Sony are a target at the moment. Basically - this is going to be very tricky to fix.
El Mag on 19 Feb '11 said:
I know lads it's terrible news they'd mess with our Hob Nobs, i mean seriously what's the point they're trying to prove damn it. There was more to that list, those first five were harsh but these should get us all worried.
6. Turns your HD television into black and white and SD
7. Turns that Bat signal they shine into the sky to call Batman into this - http://loot-ninja.com/wp-content/upload ... er_kid.jpg
8. Every channel on television shows Sex And The City, all day, every day
9. Makes you physically attracted to Susan Boyle
10. Access to that red button the president has in his desk that can launch nukes
Now i know people say we should save the women and children first but i say let them fight their own battles. After this jailbreak comes we'll all be doomed anyway, only the people with cool hacker names like PAL3V1RG1N, IVANKALOT and BARRY will survive.
DaKellyFella on 19 Feb '11 said:
Sony have the ability to permanently disable a PS3 but usually it's illegal. I wonder though if in this case that it mightn't be so illegal...
Either way Sony will come out of this bad (PR wise)
theaface on 19 Feb '11 said:
Very peculiar logic there, even if you hadn't overlooked the fact the Other OS was removed because GeoHot 'started it'. You're effectively saying it's ok to escalate a conflict exponentually as long as you weren't the one who started it?
alan666 on 19 Feb '11 said:
true,
however it doesn't take much thinking about that including a option to install another operating system would be a easy route for people to hack the system & when it was taken away, certain people would fight back, it was just a red rag to a bull.
what did Sony hope to gain from a open system with controls, you either have a closed system or a completely open one you cannot have both, & this is what i mean by Sony have themselves to blame, if GeoHot hadn't hacked the system somebody else would have, it's no different than the DRM used now, has it stopped piracy no not one bit, all it does is peeve off legitimate gamers who have paid for the game & end up with loads of restrictions where as the people who have pirate versions have no problems at all.
fact is that you cannot have it both ways.
djreplay on 19 Feb '11 said:
The thing is everybody had the choice to keep other os, they would have just lost online play which is fair enough to me.
Moorpheus on 19 Feb '11 said:
Can ban others?!
That's impressive in terms of the power that's available - but it's obviously terrible and I hate these sort of hackers - who do it purely for the detriment of others.
What can Sony do to counter this?!
Paradaz - UK on 19 Feb '11 said:
But that 'isn't fair enough' to a lot of other people....especially those that bought the PS3 that had free online and the ability to host a linux based O/S as advertised features. They didn't have to make a choice at that stage and when they bought it there was nothing to say that they would have to make one of those choices further down the line.
For anyone that replies with 'Sony state that x, y and z can be changed at Sony's discretion' how would you like it if the support for games was removed, or you could only play games if Bluray film playback was disabled? For the people that bought the system with the 'other O/S' being an important feature it's no different for them when Sony just removed it and gives them a choice which effectively makes the important features that they paid for redundant.
only_777 on 19 Feb '11 said:
Ok, everyone calm down!
This is all very misleading.
1) It's only a theroy, it's not been put into practise.
2) The guy that came up with the theory is not releasing the details of it.
You can see it for yourself here: http://streetskaterfu.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-to-ban-any-user.html (and no, he doesn't tell you how to do it)
He doesn't say how to do it, is not going to say how to do it, and even calls on Sony to investigate it.
So many of you are calling these hackers all the names under the sun, but did you know there are large groups of them trying to actually INCREASE the sercurity on the PSN?
Did you know that Sony don't even encript your credit card details when you make a purchase on the store?
Read here: http://demo.ovh.com/download/e1ae850ae75b5410ab7967a9d005ee20/psn.pdf These hackers are calling for change and trying to get the PSN to be far more secure for everyone. They are highlighing the issues (without actually giving instructions) and asking Sony to fix them before this get out of control.
Paradaz - UK on 19 Feb '11 said:
Impressive? It's hardly impressive that a end-user can control whether they are banned or not. Considering that PSN is a gaming portal that is authenticated by Sony's servers it's an absolute shocker that this has been overlooked and an end-user can even get this sort of control.
It should all be controlled and managed server-side, it just makes Sony look even more incompetent.
markyR on 20 Feb '11 said:
Yeah, and I'm more then sure the US defence department and the banks are all incompetent as well for letting all their systems get hacked
I think you need to conserve judgment until we now the facts of how Sony control the banning of users which I suspect is on the server side, but as I said other far more important systems have been hacked more then once....
sened9 on 20 Feb '11 said:
I thought 2011 was going to be Playstations year?
Fr33Kye on 20 Feb '11 said:
Yes we get it you hate sony and they are not the heroes. They may not be heroes but hackers aren't just wronged customers trying to make things right. If they wanted to hack their ps3 fine, but releasing the information on how to do it indiscriminately was just irresponsible. There was a reason the other OS was taken away. So no sympathy for causing a problem, then complaining when a company takes action, then causing more problems and believing you are still entitled to psn.
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
I don't hate Sony at all, a console is for playing games on as far as I'm concerned....the brand name means nothing.. At the end of the day, the PS3 was advertised as having several primary features...........with loading another OS as one of these.
Are you really surprised that people get p**sed off when people pay the money only to have a feature removed? For me and probably a lot of other people, it's not about the other OS feature. It's what else will be removed by Sony in their attempts to tie the system down during their damage limitation.....only to be told, that it's their property, their software, their copyrights and they can do what they want with them.
Fr33Kye on 20 Feb '11 said:
Yea we should probably ignore that this is a security matter right? That otherOS was removed for security reasons? If hackers and piracy wasn't an issue then no one would be worrying about features being removed for security. The ps3 doesn't have as large an install base as the ps2, is last in sales, and not exactly simple to develop for, security is imperative. I'm not surprised people are p**sed off, if they used the OtherOS feature for intended reasons then they have a right to be. I can even understand hacking your own system, but there is a profound difference between hacking your own system, and giving others the means to do the same. Don't expect anyone to feel bad for them. I use my ps3 to play games, browse the internet, and occaisonally play video files. If any of those features were removed i'd be really annoyed and mad at sony. If any of those features were removed for the sake of security, i would be really angry at whoever is exploiting the features.
larmono on 20 Feb '11 said:
every one i knew had a chipped ps2 it became the most popular system ever and sold millions and millions and still does jail break is great ,,sony know it too, i had a chipped ps2 but when big titles like gt3,4 and mgs2,3 came out i still went out and bought the original copy , its all good in the hood
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
The point I'm making is that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Was there really a need to simply remove the feature? - probably not. I'm sure they could have spent some more time going over the options they had and ways to secure that part of the system rather than just removing the feature outright.
In hindsight, and considering that the PS3's security has been monumentally breached, they might as well re-enable the other OS feature. The damage has already been done and they'll always be playing catchup with the hackers......As soon as Sony release new firmware, it will simply be reverse engineered by the hackers and a new work-around will be issued. Sony will then go back to work on fixing the problem. Vicious circle.....the only difference being Sony will be hating it and the hackers are loving the challenge put in front of them.
Imaduck on 20 Feb '11 said:
Some of you are acting like this is the world's end
Sony are big boys, they'll work it out. Don't worry about it, it won't change anything. Some of you are defending Sony's greatness yet are concerned that they'll bollox up the fixing, ironic much? Have faith or don't.
The hackers have made their moves, "oh noes the sky is falling!", and Sony now has to make theirs. If Sony f**k up on their end, that's their problem, but I very much doubt they will. They aren't new to this game
I kind of feel for the people who were p**sed about the OS thing though. Sony took the Piracy/DRM and Primary School Teacher justice method - a few people screwed around, now you ALL lose out. They should've known better, but even the big guys mess up. They went from "hmm that might be risky, lets just kick it out regardless" to where they are now. I would've stayed my foot They tackled hacking clumsily and now it's eating at them and their customers, the hackers are fine. Just my oppinion. Feel free to throw yourselves at it if it makes you feel better
slick loose on 20 Feb '11 said:
Same s**t, Different Day.
SavageEvil on 20 Feb '11 said:
People still talking about paid for software abilities that were removed because of a security issue. STFU, you are just being a p**sant. If you wanted it and you felt Sony were wrong in the legal sense, then take them to court, otherwise put a sock in it. Of all the crap floating around on the net, so far it's just a theory right now.
Hackers will be hackers, jackasses will jackasses, some people have pretty inventive ways of doing things, some people do it because to them it's a hobby and they have fun. Then you have people who do things that is fun to them, but is an annoyance to others...this is where the problem lies.
Sony messed up with PS3 security and hackers found the loophole, one jackass of a hacker lets out the info and what the hell happens? So while the prodigious hackers didn't necessarily mean to cause problems, we can all name one such individual who basically put the fuel on the flame and really turned this mess on it's ear.
I don't care if you hack your personal stuff to pieces, when you leave your own private sanctum and hit public and then act out of line then you are breaking some laws. I still don't see the point of Linux on PS3 as it was basically neutered to begin with...yet people on here complain as if it was the best thing out...not even 1/10th the performance you would get on a PC, but because it was removed you want to huff and puff when you damn PC or Laptop does the job even easier. You were given the option to keep it, but because of the security threat it posed to PSN, you would no longer be allowed to connect to their online service. What is your problem with that choice?
samuri7 on 20 Feb '11 said:
SABOTEURS should be shot failing that get an injunction
PS3UberTool on 20 Feb '11 said:
Like a lot of PS3 things... that's been delayed.
adgr19 on 20 Feb '11 said:
do people play online games on it? i thought mine was just a blue-ray player
slick loose on 20 Feb '11 said:
PS3UberTool = 360UberTool
only_777 on 20 Feb '11 said:
As you know, my hacked PS3 stays offline while my clean one is still live. Lucky for me I have the cash to be able to play by the Sony's rules.
That doesn't mean that Sony had the right to break consumer rights laws here in the UK.
Source - http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/know-your-rights/SGAknowyourrights/
You can't sell something, and then take away features. Thats not how the law works, we we sold an online games playing, open platform machine. Something Sony are STILL advertising on their website:
http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html
To be honest, I've got a hacked PS3 and a clean one so I'm not affected and I have the best of both worlds. But how many more laws are Sony going to be allowed to break? What happens when media centre is removed because of a hack that way or when BDR support is removed because of a loop hole there? You might start getting p**sed of then.
slick loose on 20 Feb '11 said:
Yes but almost no one cared about about Linux. The hackers are just using it as an excuse to justify what they are doing. "Oh no you have taken a feature I never use, it's OK for me to hack your system now"...please. At the end of the day, if it has truly affected you than take SONY to court over "The Sale of Goods Act 1979", others have. You may win and get your money back. Two wrongs don't make a right, you feel you have be wronged illegally? Then deal with it legally.
As for your link with them still advertising Linux still, did you fail to see in bright red letters "The Open Platform feature is not available on CECH-2000 series or later models of the PS3™ system.
On PS3™ system models sold earlier than the CECH-2000 series models, the Open Platform feature will not be available if the system software is updated to version 3.21 or later."
And if they do remove larger features such as the media player, yes we will be p**sed. But I won't go out of my way to hack the console or justify it being hacked...I will just move to the 360, like many others would.
They made a move to try and protect their product and now they are being punished for it. Worse still is people sit there and justify it. I'm not saying SONY are all sweet and innocent, they have made some stupid moves but does that make it ok to encourage piracy? Which is what this is all about at the end of the day, wanna play an emulator...do it on the PC! Want Linux? Install it on your PC!
pence
Very_Silver_Ownz on 20 Feb '11 said:
@PS3UberTool - LMFAO PS3's year has been given the Duke Nukem treatment
Squall5005 on 20 Feb '11 said:
I bought an banned backwards compatible PS3 a while ago for £50 so I could play my PS2 games. So if I could unban it, that would be great.
But that's about as far as I would go when it comes to hacking.
djreplay on 20 Feb '11 said:
What I find funny is these hackers spend night and day trying to keep ahead of Sony, waste of time.
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
You could say the same about Sony:
What I find funny is that Sony spend night and day trying to keep ahead of the hackers but every time they bring out a fix/firmware update it's brought to its knees within 24 hours. Waste of time, why bother?
The big difference is that Sony have to spend a lot of time, resources and effort (which all equal 'money') into these updates and undoubtedly hate what's happening, whereas the hackers are only to happy to rise to the challenge and do it for free whilst enjoying every minute of it.
El Mag on 20 Feb '11 said:
Waste of time putting your clothes on every morning, you're only going to take them off again later so why bother.
Sleepaphobic on 20 Feb '11 said:
I don't really want to sound like a douche but really? Are those ideas something you just heard and think they sound super high tech?
For some reason the master key isn't randomy generated but the exact same all the damn time (That's what I heard at least). It's actually funny as s**t as everybody was screaming how bullet proof it all was.
timewarp1 on 20 Feb '11 said:
there is an advert on this very site and page that links to a games store that is selling hacking kits and drives preloaded with ps3 games. So, the argument that it is difficult for people to get their hands on PS3 copies because they are big files that cant be downloaded or obtained easily, kind of falls flat now.
As does the argument about other OS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8478764.stm
Where someone admits his hack would lead to piracy - though states he wont be involved in it. Which is a legal disclaimer - like a nightclub manager running a rave saying they dont condone drugs and all staff are trained to look for dealers etc -as they want a licence. if they were like "yeah, we need a licence so people can come down and we are going to sell drugs, be on drugs, go mental" then they would be shut down. So had this person not done all this, said all this, you would have other o/s. Especially when you consider Linux is opensource, so now licence restriction. It was removed cos of these comments. End of. Heck the guy even admits he doesnt play PS3, has 1 game.
wtf
timewarp1 on 20 Feb '11 said:
If sony re-enabled other o/s - do you think this would stop everything? The hacked MW2 servers, the install to h/d, all the other hacks etc ? Do you think these hackers would stop updating their tools ? Do you think they would just run the homebrew from other o/s and not use anything on game o/s ? Are they ALL prepared to do that - if a truce was called and Sony said "remove your tools, dont update or launch any more game o/s hacks, we will re-enable other o/s on the next fw update ? " Do you think that will stop people like Francis ?
Maybe CVG could write a post on that or setup a survey ?
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
Exactly my point.......re-enabling the other O/S isn't going to stop the hackers, the damage is already done. What benefit do Sony have in keeping this feature disabled in comparison to giving it back? Absolutely none other than saving face. Too late for that I'm afraid.
Sony look stupid now and will look more so after every update they publish gets hacked and published.
djreplay on 20 Feb '11 said:
Who care's anyway, even IF these hackers can ban other consoles they would need an id and password and in all likelihood there's probably a couple hundred thousand console's hacked. It's too difficult to do know so atleast they've nipped it in the bud.
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
I think you're getting confused with banning a console and logging into PSN. A console has a unique ID and the PSN account credentials have no relation to that.
I think Sony are in trouble with this one.....they can ban accounts which they know have used hacked hardware (via the unique ID) just like M$ ban the LIVE accounts but then surely the PSP market will then instantly die lol.
They can't do it via MAC address because that can be spoofed and they wouldn't be as silly to attempt banning via IP (which can also be spoofed too). Basically they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The files needed to unban PS3's are all over the internet and if Sony release yet another firmware update then the banned users simply won't update and will continue to use the new certificates which 'un-ban' them from PSN until they have a new hack which works on the latest firmware.
djreplay on 20 Feb '11 said:
I mean if (no-one knows if this hack is even legit might I add) there going to ban other users there going have to have access to that console, they can't just ban anybody as they would need to see the console.
Paradaz - UK on 20 Feb '11 said:
I don't think you understand at all. A console has a unique ID which bears no relation or resemblence to the account that it uses to log onto PSN. Your authentication will hold this information but it can't possibly be a foolproof method for Sony to ban/disable hardware because, as you well know you can log onto your account from any PS3 or PC.
There are many ways to gather data which would include a console's unique ID (just as there are many ways for spammers/hackers to gain your credit card details over the internet)....and this can be as simple as you clicking on a link/advert or closing down a pop-up window on your PS3 browser when using a seemingly harmless site. The data packets that are sent/received over TCP/IP hold this information and specifically when you authenticate your account. You wouldn't need to physically see any hardware.
The simplest method of demonstrating this would be to use a proxy server/website. Think of the spam emails you get to log into online banking etc. To gain account/log-on information which would also carry the hardware's unique ID would be very easy for some knob-end to glean from you who is intent on wanting to do that sort of thing.
gobbybobby on 20 Feb '11 said:
Scary stuff. Im sure Sony will find some way of banning them all again. Its really an all out battle between Sony and Hackers, and Sony have dedicated paid people chasing them while all these hackers have is too much free time. I mean come on! They must be unemployed living off benefits (or are ilegall mafia style internet fraudsters.) Geowhats it. Hes a t**t lol
timewarp1 on 20 Feb '11 said:
Which (I Think) is why free "hide my ip" proxy sites are dodgy for people that need to hide their ip for visiting some sites . When you connect through this kind of system, your information is going through their servers and they could get information such as logins, email info, billing info - before it goes HTTPS to the actual site. Although thats to do with PC stuff, it shows when you connect from one place to another, information is sent. When you connect to a website, the header sent to the website includes your IP - which is why you may see an advert "Donna from (same town as you) wants to chat". With MAC you can only get the MAC of a device on the same network as you, in that I mean on your home network. once it connects outside world, its pretty difficult if not impossible to get.
If a poster above is correct, that people that use CFW get banned, but can connect after the CFW is removed, then even if they did get your MAC, you would not have any issues of being banned if you are legit. Dunno about what would happen if you connected up when a hacker is using your MAC.
So my post above is drunken rubbish and I will remove
gmcb007 on 20 Feb '11 said:
The cycle continues.......
slick loose on 20 Feb '11 said:
A classic
djreplay on 20 Feb '11 said:
I don't use the ps3 browser because it sucks so how would they get my unique id then? They would need the console I presume.
chamony on 20 Feb '11 said:
hasn't it already been said that the ps3 accesses the servers as soon as its switched on, provided you have a active connection, even before it logs you in, it searches for firmware updates etc,
Shamanoid on 20 Feb '11 said:
What does microsoft have that sony doesn't?
Talented C.o.d.e.r.s
I have a feeling the PS3 is gonna end soon and everyone will just pirate the games. This shall be noted down in history.
I am exsited, i love CHAOS!
chamony on 20 Feb '11 said:
right after MS's doorstop..... stop trolling
Moorpheus on 20 Feb '11 said:
Surely that's solved just by not having an active connection for the PS3?
Lesbiana on 20 Feb '11 said:
People make out that these hackers are homebrew heroes whose intentions are pure (they just want to allow pirate versions of old games) But in reality banning legit users, pirating new games. This isn't good for the industry.
djreplay on 20 Feb '11 said:
Don't listen to me dude, I'm trying to troll but doing a poor job.
supacudi on 21 Feb '11 said:
dsaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaf
Nollog on 21 Feb '11 said:
Fr33Kye: You talk as though it's a single person doing all this just to attack Sony.
timewarp1: He was trying to get access to the full graphics card, as hypervisor limited it in Other OS so Sony could sell their devkits for the PlayStation OS.
alan666: Other OS was a piracy deterrent. They were hoping that people interested in homebrew would develop on that, and leave the PlayStation alone. By limiting the graphical capability however, they limited this ability. Then when homebrew folk tried to remove this limitation, they removed the deterrent. Silly move really, though I'm not saying it's all their fault.
lonewolf2002 on 21 Feb '11 said:
Would be ok if everyone had static IP's but alas we don't well not as standard from the ISP's in the UK.
lonewolf2002 on 21 Feb '11 said:
Actually the 360 hackers could do the same as this to unban consoles, again you need the consoles security identifier (whatever it's called) of a "clean" machine and clone this to yours.
sevvybgoode on 24 Feb '11 said:
Why have Sony made Geohot into such a poster boy?
They never made all this fuss about Dark Alex or Klown on the PSP hacking scene...
They should have just ignored him and he would have scurried off to hack some other console / phone / tablet and they would have been in teh same boat as all the other manufacturers who have had their hardware wedged.
God knows who first hacked the 360 or Wii. We all know now who did the PS3 though
jays club on 24 Feb '11 said:
why don't the people who made the ps3 hack it themself so the hackers will fix it and realise how stupid they are for fixing it.
Paradaz - UK on 25 Feb '11 said:
How would that help anyone? If you didn't have an active connection for the PS3 you wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if you were banned from PSN anyway.