Boss of UK Kinectimals and Elite studio Frontier, David Braben, has hit out at PS3's hacking community - arguing that a purchase of a console does not bring "unrestricted ownership".
Speaking in his blog over on respected industry site Develop, Braben admitted that he is "really annoyed" with hackers who claim they can do what they wish with hardware they have purchased.
"Buying a PlayStation 3... does not give me unrestricted ownership of it," argued Braben. "If I 'dig' into it, I can't just sell or even give away all the information I find.
"It really annoys me when hackers claim they can do what they like with what they find, especially when it is destructive to the security of all the other PS3 machines."
He added: "There have been suggestions that releasing hacking information is an issue of freedom of speech. That is such rubbish. Some freedoms of speech are also curtailed for sensible reasons.
"Broadcasting easy ways of breaking into cars is bad for everyone affected, as is the freedom of speech cliché that is always wheeled out - shouting 'Fire' in a cinema, which creates a real risk of harm to others. It is common sense not to do it."
Braben claimed that there is a growing "failure to acknowledge intellectual property rights" - from retail as well as jailbreak perpetrators.
He commented: "A game is an item and a service too, except there are people out there trying to prevent publishers and developers detecting whether a game is new or has been sold again.
"The equivalent is adjusting the paperwork and registration number on your second hand car to get a new warranty and free maintenance out of your garage.
"We see shops using polishing machines on used game discs, and even replacing the outer sleeve to make a scratched game look new. With a game, the service is a combination of the single player game and online support."
Braben's comments come after a recent spate of PS3 hacks. Sony this month began banning jailbreak users from its PSN service.
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44 comments so far...
TheCrimsonFenix on 24 Feb '11 said:
Translated:
-Braben s**ts on GeoHot's face-
Taste that sweetcorn Georgie.
k-mysta on 24 Feb '11 said:
man makes some good points
Marlonjb on 24 Feb '11 said:
I've never hacked a machine, In fact I don't even know how to, But I believe that when I buy something (That is when I choose to spend MY money on it) It essentially becomes MINE to do with as I please. I don't condone these PS3 hackers and I hope they actually do jail time but no one, whether they work in the game business or not, is going to tell me what's mine and what's not considering I pay their wages.
I buy all my games release day, I 've spent over the odds on some and I play my games until such time either something better comes along or I finish said game. That is how I show my support for games makers and their products. BUT they are products that become mine as soon as I hand over my money and walk out of the shop. This tool really needs to shut up seeming as no one bothered with kinectanimals whether pirated or not.
markyR on 24 Feb '11 said:
Whilst I totally agree on the hacking comments from this guy. I have a problem with him because I support and regularly use the second hand market from the game shops. Unless I can find the game for the same price online that is.
hmmmm, rock and a hard place me thinks.....
Oh and Marlonjb, may I suggest you actualy read the license agreement that you abide by when you next purchase a game product? If your handing money over to buy the product you are agreeing to the terms and conditions bound by law on the software.
Their is nothing stopping you from not buying the product or taking it back within a reasonable time for a full refund. As stated it's called intellectual property rights. If you don't like it then write to your MP to get the law changed.
Metagen on 24 Feb '11 said:
Everyone has a right to an opinion but if anyone needs to shut up I'd say it would be you.
timewarp1 on 24 Feb '11 said:
Thing is, everyone hates people who have edited the MW2 games to do what they want. Some people even posted links that this has gone on for years and not anything to do with Geohot. But its the same thing, the MW2 hackers are modifying a game to get what they want, and the CFW hackers are modifying the FW to get it to do what they want. So they are either as bad,or, as good as each other, depending how you look at it.
Marlonjb on 24 Feb '11 said:
Did you read what I said? I've never hacked or modded anything I've bought, when I say it's mine to do with as I please I mean in regards to lending, swapping, ripping audio etc. I've never edited a game and don't intend to. As I'm abiding by the law I think the game companies can afford me lending a game to someone.
That's ok your opinion on my stance doesn't really matter to me.
djreplay on 24 Feb '11 said:
In my opinion if your running home brew for emulators or pirating games you should all be chucked in the same boat. You are still stealing from the game industry whether your running Mario on an emulator or ripping games straight to your hard drive.
markyR on 24 Feb '11 said:
lol.
http://www.psu.com/forums/threads/26942 ... ony/page17
Read post 404 on. Kind of proof the other OS was removed due to hacking. As has been stated several times...
markyR on 24 Feb '11 said:
Then make that more clear numpty cause I didn't read that at all in your post!! But I think what I said covers 'ripping' audio? Not sure why you would want to rip game audio? Unless you mean to mix it or something??
SavageEvil on 24 Feb '11 said:
Some people just don't get it, hacking might be something someone does for self entertainment, but when you go around releasing information that puts the product at risk you are becoming a blight. No you do not own everything you purchased with your money, in fact the damn money you hold in your hand isn't yours either it belongs to the respective government that printed it. You are renting most things you "buy", it comes with a limited warranty that offers you some sort of protection in case it breaks prematurely. You can do what you want to a PS3, but if you break the security and then go online and publish information that is not yours, then that's a problem.
Some people like to argue that Sony is breaking all sorts of rules, so you think you breaking them will solve it? Two wrongs make a right huh? Such childish thinking, it's no wonder this world is going down the tubes. Everything within the PS3 machine is an IP that belongs to someone, you do not have a right to do what you feel with it. It's supposed to be used to serve the purpose it was intended. Sony isn't going to freak out if you break open your system and have it run whatever you want, but if you decide to divulge information on how to circumvent security that places PSN at risk and other players information and enjoyment at risk then you have a problem. PSN is their service play by the rules of leave, simple as that. Sony is trying to stop idiots who think it's cool to go online with a hacked PS3 and mess up others' gaming. Everything has limits that we are to follow, you can buy a car, but you can't mod your car beyond the limits of the laws that govern it's road legality.
Soon there will be a set system that governs legality of computers and gaming technologies, problem is that technology changes so fast that laws from yesterday barely hold up today.
To those who think everything you purchase is yours to do as you please, go buy Windows OS and try to do as you please with it, you'll notice that you can't do anything until you agree to the terms of the contract. Sure you own the box the OS came on, but you do not own the OS, it is an intellectual property that you basically paid for the right to use and those rights are dictated by the terms of the contract. PS3 is an intellectual property, and while the hardware you can do as you please, you cannot change the OS on the system and then attempt to use Sony proprietary service PSN. You are breaking the terms of service, rules are in place for a reason and when there are no rules people like the many idiots we are overrun with do as they want. When you buy a PC from HP with Windows 7 on it, you are free to do as you wish, but I guarantee that if you remove Windows 7 and install Windows XP or Linux or something, your warranty is void and HP doesn't have to help you with any problems that you may have with that PC. We are talking about the software within the PS3, not the hardware. At no point does Sony really look too much into the hardware side, it's the OS that Sony has built in. The OS is part of the package, you remove it for any reason, you void your warranty, and are excluded from accessing Sony's online services simple as that. The security system that is built into the OS and various parts of the main processor is also not your property, security system that was built in order to protect Sony, their licensors and end users is not open to general public information on how it is supposed to work. That is sensitive information that only special "bodies" can access, how would you feel if someone posted details on where you live, your schedule and what times you are home randomly on the net? Feel pretty violated and albeit afraid because you do not know who will take that information and use it and pay you an unannounced visit. Same thing with hackers running around with Sony keys, anyone can come into their house and mess up your stuff...I'm pretty sure you wouldn't care if that happens to you
. Since when is inner workings of security public knowledge?
Marlonjb on 24 Feb '11 said:
How about stop ASSuming that just because I didn't jump right on the "Burn the hacker" Bandwagon I support them??? As for Audio ripping It's mostly for ringtones on my phone if you really wanna know. I like the music from Deadpool's levels on Spiderman shattered dimensions and wanted it as a ringtone. That being said I've ripped an audio track all of 4 times. And even then I've never sold it or anything.
infernoxXx on 24 Feb '11 said:
you bought something and therefore its yours and can do whatever you like with it, but you still have to abide with the law. its like if you buy a car, you can do anything you like with it as long as its under the law. you can't go around running people over and say nothings wrong because you own the car. check this video out for some other reasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQZSHpNcsRk
Marlonjb on 24 Feb '11 said:
That's basically everything I've been trying to say before every idiot jumped on me! Thank you for speaking sense!
obscured021 on 24 Feb '11 said:
If you buy it; its yours to do with as you please, I can mod my pc,car,or motor bike, if i wish to break the law with any of the 3 listed I can, but i dont. If I want to hack my ps3 for other os that should be cool too.
So this wan*er that thinks he can tell me what to do with my own stuff can jump of a cliff.
alan666 on 24 Feb '11 said:
maybe if manufactures didn't promise one thing & not deliver, or just decide to remove software willy-nilly, what about the people who got a PS3 because of the open OS ?
the same with the games, if company's didn't release unfinished games & charge people £40 for something that doesn't work out of the box & just say "don't worry, we are working on a patch" PC games yes i can accept this but not on a Xbox or PS3 ! the consoles are fixed units so there should be no hardware issues at all so all the bug's & errors in games are down to lazy programming, people shouldn't have to wait months before they can play the game they were promised.
basically the likes of Sony & EA are using their position to bully customers & they don't like it when people fight back, maybe if Sony get a bloody nose from the PS3 hacking issues, they may learn that people don't like to be ripped off & they want what they actually pay for.
Marlonjb on 24 Feb '11 said:
This is where I'm coming from! I don't like someone I've never met telling me I can't lend a game to someone because it might put them off buying it and thus making a big name company more money. I could hack my stuff but I haven't and never will. It's this guys arrogance that got me posting, not my own.
Metatasian on 24 Feb '11 said:
EXACTLY!!!! Well said.
shogunreaper on 24 Feb '11 said:
IF i don't own what i pay for, then maybe sony shouldn't make me pay for it, give it out for free then you can tell me what i can and can not do with it.
TheCrimsonFenix on 24 Feb '11 said:
The PS3 console is yours when you buy it. Feel free to alter in any way you wish as long as it stays within legal lines. Bear in mind actually opening up the console will void your warranty.
Now. The Playstation Network undergoes changes every now and then as do a lot of services. Every time you use it you're agreeing to the terms to which they're bound at that time. People were informed of Linux being removed with that specific firmware update so they had every right to decline it and stop using PSN altogether, as Sony have every right to change whatever their service provides, changes to the way the console works too (additional icons and applications on the cross media bar).
As for Mr GeoHot, he can say he had happy nice positive intentions all he wants but fact remains he's f**ked a round with something that is resulting in more harm than good.
timewarp1 on 24 Feb '11 said:
David Braben aint no wanker.. He is one of the guys that makes the stuff you buy. He is part of the industry that caters to your needs, makes the games your imagination wants to play. He is one of many. I would imagine the majority of coders out there would feel the same about intellectual property rights. There would be no Elite without this guy, maybe you cant remember that game, some of us can. yes it looks s**tty now, but in its time, that was like Eve online (well except Elite was much better). So you go round ripping these guys, they wont play. They wont make the games you want. There will be no sequel to Elite. He will make something s**tty for the Wii instead lol.
Its the big games that get pirated the most. The big games that cost the most too make. And if you rip them off, they wont make them, you will get s**tty party games. Sure the big companies like Activision will churn the usual big named FPS out ever year, but people like Braben have brought, and bring innovation to the industry.
I guess you dont understand intellectual property. If you made something, and that was your bread and butter, whether you be a big corporation like Sony that has lots of staff, licences etc etc to pay, a small software company like Brabens, or, imagine you wrote a program full time for 2 years or whatever, took loans from banks to suplement your income whilst you made this program, forcast the profit you would make would enable you to work on other projects, new hardware etc. And someone came along and took your source code, either to pirate, or, in Sony;s case to run homebrew or pirate (in Sonys case it would be worse as it would mean your code is compromised so is affecting others code), but either eay, your income is affected, you would probably be a bit p**sed too. If you cant see that from the industries point of view then you need to grow up. Its not just the legal side. I wanna see innovative games like Elite 4 and the Outsider, not wind walkers or whatever its called.If people dont have respect for these people, we wont get them.
So David Braben isnt a wanker -although if Elite 4 doesnt come out, I might change that statement
r0bb3d-up on 24 Feb '11 said:
oh my, some of the hacker haters on their high horses condeming those with emulators-pirate copies of anything...I remember when recording off the radio was also a huge deal(or piracy) for some watchdog watching over opinionated, under-educated fool.
Lupe101 on 24 Feb '11 said:
"he makes some good points"
No he doesn't.
He makes some self serving and inaccurate points. There is absolutely no law that prevents me from sharing information I discover about a product even if some people feel that information may be negative to society Or detrimental to their profession. I can, for example, freely disperse information about how to break into a car, so long as it is not proven that I am inciting people to actually perpetrate a crime I can also tell people cigarettes give you lung cancer how ever much the tobacco companies would rather I didn't. This has nothing to do with anything as wishy washy as "freedom of speech" it is about the law and presently no law prevents me sharing information about things.
There are, on a case by case basis, things the law has decided I can’t talk about but the internal workings of a PS3 is not one of them. If Sony wants it to be they need to take it to court ( which is what I believe they are doing )
I’m personally against piracy. But Braben is flat out wrong on this one. ( so is Sony which I suspect will soon be demonstrated )
SavageEvil on 24 Feb '11 said:
Still with that pointless and baseless lie, you and everyone else knows why Other OS was removed. STFU, you act like you don't know how the world goes. Someone decide to abuse the Other OS and tried to get more access to the system and Sony obviously doesn't want that. Take your garbage speak elsewhere, your rhetoric is getting old. If anyone bought a PS3 for simply Other OS without first testing out the limitations of it, then sorry for them, only an uninformed MORON makes such purchases. In fact when people started dabbling with Other OS, nothing but complaints about how it was slow and wasn't as adept as the PC linux...want to tell me I'm wrong?
As I said many times before, if you think Sony removal of Other OS wasn't within their right, take it to the courts, just because you "think" it's unlawful doesn't mean it's true. It's a software program and it's a constantly evolving one which said that certain things could be changed and you will be notified of them prior to changes. Given choices you had your option, play by the rules or go the hell home.
Same thing to your lame ass comment about companies releasing half assed games and selling them at full price, like is said only an uninformed MORON would purchase a game without first trying it out. Take that however you want to, I don't like the fact that companies release half assed games, but when casuals are the bigger part of the market this is the type of crap hardcore gamers will have to put up with. Casuals have more say in our past time than we do, they helped make the giant publishing houses what they are by buying rehash after rehash and not batting an eye.
Why do I sound hostile, it's because this type of crap gets out of hand. Hackers may not be all bad, but you cannot argue that what Hotz did was completely arbitrary and just wrong. What would you think of a hobby that main objective is to break security measures? Even if it was not used for illegal activities, come on tell me? All this talk of emulation, where the hell did you people come across these ROMS? WTF? Do you legally own those? Sure we would love to play our old games on our big screen TV's and what not, but laws are laws and you do not have the right to do as you wish. Distribution of ROMs is illegal in certain countries I do believe, so unless you are a pretty good programmer and can come up with nifty programs on homebrew then you are basically in the minority. What can you lawfully get out of other OS?
timewarp1 on 24 Feb '11 said:
Yeah you can do what you want, but Braben is saying it from the industry side. Look at what happened to Commodore with piracy.
This debate would go on forever, there are always going to be people that want a free ride, and there will be people that respect others art.
Yo arent going to make your own games, you think its ok to steal other peoples.
Yep it isnt just about piracy, but thats what it has opened up the door to. Just look at the advert at the bottom of this page - thats a games shop in America selling hard drives full of pirated games.
newsinthefield on 24 Feb '11 said:
I think anybody should be allowed to do anything they want with their hardware, as long as they keep the results to themselves. Opening up the PS3 for exploitation on a large scale is clearly not on, and while George Hotz and co. believed what they were doing was for the better I don't think they realise what they've started. However, the bottom line is that Sony have to start chucking cold, hard cash at those hackers to persuade them to start working on a solution to the problems they have created.
timewarp1 on 24 Feb '11 said:
And no, piracy isnt just about Sony, but atleast Sony are making an effort to prosecute these people, though I dont know why they arent bothering with PSP.
Sony have f**ked up, relying on the goodwill of the gamers, but they are trying to fix it, so respect to them.
The hackers fired first though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgHbW-p ... re=related
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alan666 on 24 Feb '11 said:
take a chill pill
if Sony didn't think that a open OS was going to aid people to hack the system, then i give up.
if you are happy to buy games on release day only to find that they don't work properly due to bug's & errors, then carry on, because there is simply no excuses to release bug ridden games anymore, nearly every games released now has some sort of problems, this was never the case with earlier consoles & computers, it's only because of the internet & the ability to download patches that games are released unfinished & apparently untested.
are the hackers you are saying that aren't bad are the ones who hacked the iphone thus allowing people to have a iphone but not have to pay extortionate & priced fixed plans tied to a network that was in bed with Apple.
if the update that removed the option to have another OS on the PS3, was optional & users could have said Yes or No & by selecting No you wouldn't have been cut off from PSN & you could still use your PS3 as you could if you had clicked on Yes, how many people would have clicked on the Yes option, a tiny amount that's how many, regardless of if the user had any interest in other OS.
vilvic on 24 Feb '11 said:
Presently there is a law that stops you sharing information about the security or the OS - it's called copyright - it's been around for years. I'm surprised you haven't heard about it.
vilvic on 24 Feb '11 said:
Given past form I think George Hotz knew exactly what he is doing. The guy is clearly very clever - but I'm sure if he was the CEO of Sony he'd be pretty annoyed at the lost revenue and impact it has the companies that have a vested interest in the PS3 (like EA, Activision, etc). There will be jobs lost and business that fail because of this hack. I somehow think George Hotz isn't going to lose any sleep over it.
fps_d0minat0r on 24 Feb '11 said:
hahahah 4:25 to 4:30 on that video is f***ing halarious
every pirate needs to see that video
infernoxXx on 24 Feb '11 said:
lol. yeh it makes sense.
exactly. well said.
theideal on 24 Feb '11 said:
Yeah, I'm sure modern games being infinitely more intricate, ambitious and all in all more difficult to test thoroughly in a realistic time frame has no bearing on that whatsoever.
timewarp1 on 24 Feb '11 said:
Yeah, I'm sure modern games being infinitely more intricate, ambitious and all in all more difficult to test thoroughly in a realistic time frame has no bearing on that whatsoever
Damn, I was going to say that lol
Still there does need to be QC in games. Black Ops for instance.. That is down to the publisher rushing games development to get it out in time for a holiday season. Lots of studios complain they dont get enough time, but when the publisher is your meal ticket, what can you do?
Though that doesnt explain GT5.
Still if games are bugged, still no reason to pirate them. Just wait for it to appear for £15 quid on Zavvi or whatever about 6 months later, when its been patched.
Speaking of buggy games, try Alpha Protocol - bugs aside its excellent.
SavageEvil on 25 Feb '11 said:
The first half of your retort was answered by my post which you so eloquently quoted, no point to you raising points I addressed before you had a chance to type up your reply. Skipping down to more stuff I already answered, the options you were given were to remain on PSN you would have to give up Other OS or forego using PSN and keep Other OS. Nothing wrong with the options as Other OS as proven by Hotz was a way to hack into the system...so I don't see your argument holding much water as Sony didn't at the time see a viable way to keep Other OS and maintain PS3 security integrity. The Other OS security hole is what was used to eventually get the keys which some idiot at Sony engineering made one big mistake and here we have the present day mess which was escalated by George Hotz releasing keys into the public, now we have more bad than good being represented and because of this hackers will all be under a scrutinizing eye. Case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole bunch, yes?!? Hackers cracked PS3 security, good or bad hackers they all look bad when one decides to release the keys into the public. The people who have to suffer are you and I with money now being diverted to protect security even more now, and come up with new ways to stop these idiots. Thank you Geohot, you allowed to use homebrew once again, but at the cost of PSN security world wide, great decision jackass.
tekplyrx on 25 Feb '11 said:
The annoying thing here is that all these "pro" sony bums are all hypocrites. Let one of them, including the wanker above, tell me they've never engaged in ANY sort of piracy before!! (windows, music, movies e.t.c). What they don't get is that sony's only p**sed because they were not on top of the videogame market as this whole thing hit as such they're feeling the pinch more than they would've liked!! No matter how bad they want us to believe the piracy is on ps3 is it isn't a fraction of the piracy on the ps2!! But did the bloody punks rant and rave as they're doing now?! NO!! b'cos they were ahead of the competition by miles!! Besides, I don't recall any manufacturer of any product actually punishing their customers by removing a much touted feature because of the manufacturer's own mistake!! Sony's been removing features from the ps3 ( ports, ps2 compatibility, otheros) ever since it came out because of their decisions! I wonder what they'll remove next? the blu-ray drive? the remaning usb ports, wifi? F***ing punks!! And now this wanker is here telling me that i don't own my ps3 that i bought with my own money!! SCREW him and anyone who takes his side.. bloody hell!
WHERESMYMONKEY on 25 Feb '11 said:
I'm not sick of the hacks. I'm sick of hearing about them. Was there such widespread coverage when the 360 got cracked. No, when the homebrew channel was released. No. But the PS3 gets hacked and suddenly it's the end of gaming as we know it.
Now Forgive if i'm wrong. But isn't the PS3 sales wise still in last place. So this essentially effects the smallest community of gamers and then If you'd done any actual research into it. that the hacks themselves aren't even that popular amoungst the hacking scene, and piracy is by and large seen as really not worth it on the console, as it's A) p**s easy to detect B) the file sizes are huge C) Transfering stuff to the console is long winded and complicated.
Here's the kicker though. as to why this won't destroy the industry. The 360 has been hacked for years now and unlike the wii or PS3 the only potential application is piracy. But the 360 has reported bigger sales year on year. Black ops was the most pirated game of last year, but also broke records left right and centre.
I'll admit, that i'm tempted to hack my ps3, once something interesting for it comes out,like Dolphin (a HD capable wii emulator) or a decent media program that'll add some more codecs and play MKV files and maybe give us region free bluray and dvd playback. I have no interest in piracy. I do however have an interest in my machine being used its full potnetial.
I have hacked my wii. I have the homebrew channel and i'd reccommend everyone to get it. It's worth it, for region free gameplay and the amazing mod scene thats sprung up on the wii. Lets put it this way. I finished epic yarn in october and played through fatal frame 4 in english.
STEVONYMO on 25 Feb '11 said:
For what its worth my view is that if you buy a console you can dress it in stockings and suspenders if you like but upon entering an online service is when you have to abide by certain rules. The actual plastic you own and can do as you like with it but the online side you only access.
theaface on 25 Feb '11 said:
All of the emotion in this thread aside, SavageEvil has made some incredibly valid points here.
Some of you need to re-evaluate your "I should be able to do what I like, screw everybody else" attitudes. You'd find that if everybody adopted that view, the world would be a very different place.
Also the "If I've bought something, I should be able to do whatever I want with it" argument is laughable. I'm sure a would-be terrorist will be quikc to use that defence the next time they're up before a jury explaining why they used items bought from a hardware store to make an IED.
Grow up and realise that the world doesn't always march to the beat of your drum.
g_marrs on 25 Feb '11 said:
While I can see there is an argument here, with regard to protecting other console owners' rights (although this seems a flimsy wall to cower behind), I'd also hasten to add that this works both ways. The console manufacturer has neither the right to force a change to the specification of the device. Sony's attack on the linux capabilities of the PS3 was a serious breach on consumer rights. The argument that the consumer has to agree to the change in their terms and conditions to continue online use of the network and thus the removal of linux is invalid as the product is sold with the inclusion of network functionality.
Piracy is wrong, no doubt. However, there needs to be a much more concerted effort in protecting consumers' rights from companies who seem to believe they should still have sole ownership over a product once they have sold it. Perhaps a shift in responsibility for failed systems might make this clearer. If companies wish to act without question on products they've sold then they should also become responsible for lifetime warranties and product replacement once damaged.
As they say, you can't have it both ways.
SavageEvil on 25 Feb '11 said:
what noble cause are you trumpeting? Nothing to really say pro or against anything in the article. talking out of your ass does not make you sound intelligent in fact it's quite the opposite. You own the hardware, but you do not own the software on it, learn to READ! This has little to do with sales you fanboy talking fool, with PS3 3 million or so behind 360 not sure what garbage you are talking about
. Sit down and shut up before you hurt yourself trying to come up with a valid point to speak about.
By your dumb logic, Sony should have left Other OS in and would still have ended up at this position, if you think that these guys weren't going to hack it because Other OS was still there, you are an idiot. You people like to talk theory when you know your flawed theoretical points make no sense as you know that hackers will hack anything and everything. You are probably that gullible bunch who thinks that hackers only hacked PS3 because the removal of Other OS
...incredible if you believe that I have a truck full of air to sell you.
PS1 was hacked like crazy but mainly to remove region locking, but this is totally different. PS3 is an online capable system and the effects of hacking is far reaching as they can do some things that can affect you without leaving their homes. Of course in order to streamline profitability some things were changed and others removed, when was the last time you pulled out an SD card and popped it into an SD card reader to transfer anything? Yea shut up you don't, the device that it's in just USB connect and transfer...I hate stupid people. Do you know why the PS3 had the other two USB ports removed? Don't complain if you don't know why, go look it up.
You're an ass, just because you did something illegal prior, does it mean you are supposed to continue it? You sound like a career criminal, I have never seen such butchery of the English language as I have witnessed in your post. You bring up a point and then leave it hanging there with absolutely no resolute reasoning. Where did you learn to debate?
Punishing their customer by removing Other OS? Really?
Dumbest comment of the year right there folks...you sir are a class act. I admit defeat. 
tekplyrx on 25 Feb '11 said:
Obviously u seem to know alot about being an ass and being an idiot as well!! Its not about trumpeting noble causes wiseass. You conveniently leave out parts that would go against ur "well meaning" logic. So it was ok for Sony not to complain about the PS1 piracy because it was done for the region locking problem?! It's okay for sony to be removing features from a product they promised their customers to start with? Its not about whether or not i use SD cards or the extra usb ports.. if they knew they were useless why did they put them in the first place? Why did u leave out the ps2 compatibility issue after touting it as a major selling point of the ps3? You obviously are the perfect definition of what an asshole is. s**thead ur dad probably works for sony so u'd say anything to support the one giving u pocket money to buy games. I'll say it again.. U and others like u are all f**KING HYPOCRITES!! u download stuff illegally everyday and its ok right? And worst of all even if the Other OS wasn't there.. it would still have been hacked! (probably would've taken longer), so mr looser go and find something else to nitpick on, and oh.. u just said it sony's behind the 360 by about 3 million!!
TheCrimsonFenix on 25 Feb '11 said:
Any person who cannot form a sentence with correct spelling of simple words can't in any way be taken seriously.
kimoak on 25 Feb '11 said:
Not going to bother to read all the comments here because it is a lil late here. But this guy has been around for quite a while. He does know what he is talking about. He may have an interest as he makes money as it his job, but he still makes sense.