Xbox 360 players are going to see "more and more" core Kinect games revealed in the future, as interest from developers "spikes" following a phenomenal Christmas.
That's according to the senior producer of Microsoft's interactive entertainment business, Kevin Unangst, who told CVG at the firm's spring showcase event this month that the core games revealed so far are "just the beginning" of what's in store.
"We're not even a hundred days since we launched Kinect yet. It was very intentional with Kinect to go out and deliver blockbusters like Kinect Sports and Dance Central - games that resonated with a broader audience."
Unangst added that although Kinect games can be built with virtually the same tools and technology used to make core games, "we're going to do it in a way that's organic and natural to the game".
"We did not go out and say, 'we're just going to slap Kinect on and put that out there,' we don't want a bunch of add-ons - it's got to make sense in light of the game," he said.
"There's a whole host of things [for core developers], whether it's voice control, face recognition and all the tech that Kinect makes possible. Now that we've got it in the hands of developers you're going to see more and more core games.
"This is just the beginning."
In the same interview, the senior producer claimed 2011 will be "incredible" for hardcore gamers on Xbox 360.
Comments
79 comments so far...
i like jam donut on 7 Mar '11 said:
Show me at least one.
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
Oh come on, Kinect's a blatant flop
simsc3 on 7 Mar '11 said:
Why are people calling Kinect a flop? I dont get it, it selling millions worlwide and only been on the market for 3 months? Open your minds people... its going to change the way we play our games and how we interact with consoles, PCs and from what I heared TVs aswell. Its a new platform and its going to get better, imagine what they can do with kinect in a few years time! Mind blowing if you ask me!
altitude2k on 7 Mar '11 said:
Even if they quit now, they've more than made their money back on it. So how can that be a flop?
pRM8 on 7 Mar '11 said:
I wouldnt really see Gunstinger or Child of Eden as 'Hardcore' tbh. Well maybe CoE slightly more Hardcore than Gunstinger but to say "we have these and more Hardcore games are on the way" is quite funny.
No disrespect to Kinect though as its a decent bit of technology that is yet to be fully realized. Partly due to MS' focus on trying to emulate Nintendo with 'casual' games for the 'casual' crowd.
Wakamusha on 7 Mar '11 said:
Sounds like stalling to me. The quality AND quantity of games both at launch and since launch is a bit shocking.
Mark240473 on 7 Mar '11 said:
I can't get excited about Child of Eden as I stopped taking drugs in my early 20's.
However, I am keen to see these other 'core' games.
I'm still unsure as to what type of game would attract me to Kinect, to be honest. Though, I suppose that is the beauty of Kinect - the unknown.
In my opnion, MS won't need core gamers in the long run, as long as the casual keep lapping it up.
BenJy on 7 Mar '11 said:
Microsoft have a decent back catalogue of 'Core' games, make those backward compatibility to get some ground way and see how the gaming community reacts. Be a good start!
a3HeadedMonkey on 7 Mar '11 said:
Less talk more action please.
masterchop on 7 Mar '11 said:
Thats over two times they have gone on about it. Fine! bring them out. until then I wont be parting with 129.00 so I can jump up and down on a rubber ring
altitude2k on 7 Mar '11 said:
No, that's over two times they've been asked about it and answered the question.
Black Mantis on 7 Mar '11 said:
A lot of developers would've adopted a "wait & see " approach to Kinect, I remember THQ stating they have a AAA project planned, but were waiting for the userbase to grow before starting work on it. Not sure if Kinect's numbers are impressive enough yet for them or others, but it sounds like it from this news.
steamahead on 7 Mar '11 said:
What is the problem with such selfish bloody people over the last few years. It really is pathetic that you have no realisation of how businesses work, how things are made and the amount of money and time these things take.
Just step back for one moment and look at the technology we have today, for me it's blow's my mind (being a man that started off with a 48k Speccy years ago, lol).
Over the last 20 years we have gone from a few crappy pixels on a screen to nearly photo realistic graphics and your body as a controller,wow!!. We have apple starting off the trend for smart phones "computer in your pocket". We have the internet that has totally changed the world. All this in such a very small amount of time.
Now I'll get to my point:
Yes at the moment the games that have come out on the Kinect are not "hardcore games" but already if you search the net, hackers are just touching the service of what that bit of kit can do (and it's very impressive). Making hardcore games takes time and for the developers they now have the task of learning how to implement this new way of playing. Trust me, it will come but it may take a good year or two to get there. What is the rush, I see it every time a new console comes out people say; it's a flop, and this is before the poor developers have even unwrapped there dev kit. Yet 2 years down the line those same people are then saying; wow I'm spoilt for choice of what game to get this month...
Come on people get a grip, I know you want everything yesterday but look at what you already have today.
My little rant over
Jim
plightstar on 7 Mar '11 said:
Still waiting on more info on the Steel Battalion Kinect game, if that is impressive enough I will buy one.
Noobsaibot on 7 Mar '11 said:
No, it's not! At best, it will supplement the way you currently play games (with that oh so complicated and confusing controller).
As i've said before, Kinect (by it's very nature) will not be able to play host to any traditional games outside of shovelware. Don't believe me? Well then, ask yourself.... How would Halo work using just Kinect? How would Fifa work? Or Nights? Or Shenmue? Or Ikaruga? Or Max Payne?
And notice that all the games I've mentioned are ancient - Imagine trying to tack on Kinect support to a modern game. You could argue that it's for developers (and not you) to be creative in getting the best out of Kinect. But if traditional gamers can't even imagine how Kinect will replicate their favourite games (plus Fifa) without the controller, what chance do devs have of making anything useful with it? I doubt even Shigeru Myamoto could make anything beyond shovelware with it.
Mark my words, I know that MS will quietly shift Kinect's focus towards PC (where there are at least some interesting things happening).
double tap on 7 Mar '11 said:
We did not go out and say, 'we're just going to slap Kinect on and put that out there,' we don't want a bunch of add-ons - it's got to make sense in light of the game," he said.
Actually that sounds like quite a step down from Microsoft's previous statements that Kinect could do any genre, and right on the heals of EPIC's statement a few weeks ago that the GOW Kinect game will be on rails. About time to face facts, unless you want to play a "whack a mole" or a "core" (ha ha) on rails style game with Kinect it is useless.
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
What has got the best support so far, Kinect or Move? Move might not have triple A titles but it has more core games and a lot of PS3 titles have Move supported elements in the game.
Bradach on 7 Mar '11 said:
more than none?
boskersrevenge on 7 Mar '11 said:
I agree it can't really be called a flop, but from a gaming point of view I am beginning to lose faith that I'll ever buy one as it's been half a year and nothing has come out.
Half a year?
That is terrible and for the price, unacceptable. MS are really letting down the people that bought into it.
sleazeboy on 7 Mar '11 said:
They're called casual gamers for a reason, eventually they get bored and move onto the next toy/gimmick. Core gamers on the other hand love gaming, and will always be looking for the next thrill/challenge.
If Microsoft focus to heavily on casual games all they will end up doing is losing their market share to Sony. I'm already buying more multi-platform games on PS3, most of my purchases for the 360 recently seem to be in XBLA, which for me is now the only area where the 360 remains superior to the PS3.
boskersrevenge on 7 Mar '11 said:
Actually, gamers come in many different shades of grey... can't stand this casual/hardcore bulls**t.
How about I make a wild assumption? That the vast majority of video gamers, hard core to frequent are pretty ugly or plain looking and lack social skills to help them stop looking at weird porn for thrills.
Project-Angel on 7 Mar '11 said:
You see, if like me you cant be bothered to buy a X-Box 360 and Kinect then you can enjoy the same experience of "Being the controller" by simply watching a show on TV such as "Homes under the hammer" or "Dickinson's Real Deal" and "Bidding" in auction rooms for duff houses and tat by raising your hand slightly or nodding your head to make your bid when the on-screen prompt of the inside of an auction rooms appear.......try it, you may like it
Jensonjet on 7 Mar '11 said:
That doesn't work. The expression 'hardcore' and 'casual' loosely describe the amount of time, money and effort the two types of gamers spend and in some respects possibly the type of games they play. It's not a strict label.
I don't know why people get so upset with these expressions. I consider myself a hardcore gamer, not because I buy many games, not because I game every day, but because when I do game, and in the past, I can game for long hours and day-in, day-out, and generally I enjoy the most popular genres ie. racing, sports and shooting games. That's not to say I play any racing, sport or shooting game. I buy very few games. Maybe to some I'm a casual gamer, I don't know. I'm really not concerned what anybody labels me. So if you want to consider me plain, fine (that probably describes more people in any walk of life anyhow) or a porn-seeking unsociable misfit, ok then! Personally I don't consider gaming to be any reference to looks or personality. That's the kind of stance the Media take.
gmcb007 on 7 Mar '11 said:
What ever happened to the PS Move?
boskersrevenge on 7 Mar '11 said:
Because casual gamers are looked at like they're a sub-species and it's getting on my tits. Also, gamers make themselves look like a right bunch of elitist pricks in the process.
The casuals can't follow stories, have no skills and bump and crash their way through life in comparison to the sleek gaming elite, who somehow can form complex concepts in their minds that only games can provide, blah etc.
Makes me gip.
Jensonjet on 7 Mar '11 said:
Steamahead,
I disagree that gamers who express reservations or have complaints about the gaming industry are selfish or have no understanding of business or a knowledge of technology research and production.
I too started gaming on a 48k Spectrum. But like many gamers there are plenty of things I dislike about modern gaming. And in forums such as this I vent my anger and upset. I also say positive things when I feel a game, developer or manufacturer deserve it.
I don't understand where you're coming from. I can't see anyone being just generally happy and only having positive things to say. The most vocal gamers are passionate gamers. It goes without saying that we love our hobby. And with a hobby that allows you to spend so much time, is so accessible, and at it's best is unbelievably fun, it's understandable that some of us will make negative, especially when we've a chance to let off steam and discuss our gripes with others who feel the same on a public forum designed to allow just that.
I don't care if games look near photorealistic. I don't care how powerful mobile phones are. And I certainly don't care to wave my arms about to control a game. Others agree, and some don't. I don't think it's a good enough argument to say "gaming's better than the past, be happy!" Some elements of gaming are better, I'm sure everyone would agree. But any of us that appear negative about the gaming industry clearly feel there's plenty it needs to improve on.
I think you need to bear in mind that the majority of us that complain are used to and enjoy games that require an element of precision. And considering (not sure on the actual figure, but I'd guess) 95% of console and computer games require an element of accurate and/or fast control, the whole Kinect thing is an odd choice for a company that's been built on these 'hardcore' type games.
Incidentally, while you may think gaming is unbelievably amazing now, I feel it's getting worse! Sure, graphics are better. Production values are better. Much about gaming is better than it was in the past. But the problem is there are areas about gaming that are worse. and there are aspects that haven't improved in decades. And that's why people, my included, will complain and be negative. You can't expect all of us to be in love with everything the gaming industry does.
In some respects those of us who do complain or leave negative comments clearly aren't focussing on the how amazing technology is or great graphics look. Gaming can be as much about the features of a game, the ease of use, the reliability of the netcode, the story, the voice-acting, the AI, the list is endless.
Gaming's an entertainment business, we all know this. And just like TV or cinema, just because it's modern or new doesn't make it better than what's come before. Or perhaps your favourite movies and TV shows are very recent. I don't believe that's the case at all. If reading peoples complaints or reservations about Kinect is upsetting to you then really you have no choice but to ignore those messages. You're not going to change anyone's mind by suggesting if we understood the research and development process of technology we'd all appreciate Kinect.
I have about as much interest in the business and technology of gaming as I do in anything else for that matter. I don't care how the plane works that takes me on holiday. I don't care how the coffee machine in a cafe came about. I don't care what processes a movie goes through to entertain me. And I don't care to learn about the industry that spawned the technology behind my fridge/freezer. All I care about is that I get to my holiday destination, enjoy a nice cup of coffee, watch an entertaining movie, and that my fridge keeps everything cool. Is that not how everyone outside of their respective industries think? As a graphic designer should I expect no one to ever complain or have an opinion about the work my industry produces? Should I expect people to understand how and why a designer make the choices they make? Should everyone appreciate how a design agency works? No, but absolutely everyone if they sit down and think about it will have an opinion, and some will be negative... it's natural. As is being selfish.
gmcb007 on 7 Mar '11 said:
This x100. Very well said!
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
Oh so wrong. 'Casual gamer' is not a derogatory term at all, it's simply a way of distinguishing. I see people who happily call themselves a casual gamer.
boskersrevenge on 7 Mar '11 said:
No, we're correct. It's you that is wrong!
..that might work, chaps....
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
Well your the one who think the term is offensive, erm no it's not. My girlfriend for instance owns a DS, plays it once in a while. She's a casual gamer. what's offensive about that? Nothing.
There might be different shades but generally everything's easier when split into as few a catagories as possible. Just like work, white collar and blue collar. In this case casual or core.
gmcb007 on 7 Mar '11 said:
Thats what hes saying hes sick of people being judged by their gaming style!
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
Aswell it's a term commonly used within the industry not just amongst a few gamers.
i like jam donut on 7 Mar '11 said:
For us, gamers, it is a flop. I don't give a damn if it's making money or not, especially not for me.
ffcoppolla on 7 Mar '11 said:
Fixed.
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
it is, doesn't matter how much money they've pocketed. The one's defending it are probably the ones having sour grapes for being conned out of £130
i like jam donut on 7 Mar '11 said:
Let's be honest here, who's playing with his kinect now or still watching movies on his hd-dvd player.
Now justify your blind love for microsoft with another bunch of posts fuelled with hope and potential.
Black Mantis on 7 Mar '11 said:
The ones slating it have never tried it and have sour grapes because they're too poor to get one...
I can make stupid statements too!
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
I own a 360 aswell as the other consoles but why would i have gone out and threw away £130? What to play Kinectimals or Dance Central? Nah i prefer to spend it on games i wanna play.
boskersrevenge on 7 Mar '11 said:
Girls... playing games? *wrinkles nose*]
It's not the term so much, I guess, but how it's portrayed... casual gamers are seen as low down the gaming hierarchy. I'm casual by default, yet that's just from the gaming time I can put in.
It's just irking when you read posts whereby casual is looked down upon. It happens, a lot.
a.d on 7 Mar '11 said:
Fair enough, i suppose some people use it differently to what i think it should mean
steamahead on 7 Mar '11 said:
Jensonjet.......
I think you are missing my point. I'm complaining to those that moan so early on when a new product comes out.
. 
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I'm trying to say that some things do take a little time to establish... Something as unique as the Kinect will of course take far longer to show it's true colours than perhaps the latest psp. Rest assured though that I'll be the first to put my hands up in couple of years time and say how wrong I was if no good games come out for the Kinect, I have no shame there
As I've seen in the past with "most" tech that comes out, with a little patience they do come up good (lets forget the Nintendo Virtual boy) LoL
People seem so much in a rush to have it now now now and diss so early on. Let's give these developers a little time to get used to this new bit of tech. I like the idea that we will be using the Kinect with a controller rather than on it's own for those "core games". Playing latest Forza game but using the Kinect for head tracking or walking around the car.... this is the area that I can foresee the Kinect going or who know's a game might come out that no one could of ever imagined they would be playing. I hope to see the Kinect as the next leap in how we play and interact with our game's, either for the casual or core gamer. Let's not knock so early on.
I'd also like to add that I love my retro gaming, I have more old school games from the 80's/90's than the last 10 years. I love all kind of gaming from puzzle, platformer, shmup, COD, Guitar hero's you name it I'm there
)
(even the crappy pixlated rather than photo realistic
So with that, I don't mind to wait a while for a game to come out, as I have plenty to play or one's to find and buy second hand.
Do hope I've made myself a little clearer.
Jim
Voltrons Bolt on 7 Mar '11 said:
What I find interesting is how quickly and vehemently some people are ready to write off Kinect. It took Sony several months really have a decent stable of games. To this day I still read posts about some future game release for the PS3 that will turn the tide for some peoples’ preferred console.
Gaming is supposed to be about having fun and being entertained, at least that why I game with friends and family. Motion controlled gaming has demonstrated that potential. For me and my family it has changed how we enjoy our TV time. Motion controlled gaming (Wii/Move/Kinect) is a future component of entertainment. Trying to keep up with my kids when we play Kinect and before that the Wii has been and will continue to be brilliant fun.
You may discount the possibilities of Kinect and bash the success of the Wii, think that only the Move will do anything however, stop and think about what that competition amongst the current and future game developers will do to make games more entertaining for everyone.
Exciting times are ahead. For myself and the people closest to me, we will continue to enjoy the ride.
double tap on 7 Mar '11 said:
Jensonjet, you are spot on mate. Agree with every word man. There is difference between having a negative view of something you do not enjoy and being a hater for the sake of it. Ignore the haters of free speech and opposing ideas on here who live in a Marioesque fluffy bunny land and love everything that comes out because it is new whether it is good or not.
kirankara on 7 Mar '11 said:
Not a flop, just pretty useless as anything other than impressive gadget, and party game/exercise software device.
When they say hardcore games, do they mean we will see Halo dance wars, or Gears of war: Get fit with chainsaws.
Jensonjet on 7 Mar '11 said:
I agree. A hardcore gamer and a casual gamer can play the exact same games, just as much as two hardcore gamers can play utterly different games. It's a general expression, coined by the industry itself. I don't understand why anyone takes offense to this. Lots of industries have expressions to describe different types of customers. It's not intended to be degrogatory but to help the industry focus on producing products better suited to customers. The gaming industry may be many things but it's not out to insult it's customers (at least, not consciously). The descriptions aren't even that specific, and many people seem to have different explanations for what makes a casual gamer and what qualifies someone as a hardcore gamer.
I know you've not mentioned this, but I really don't understand why others are assuming hardcore gamers consider themselves elitist. There's no such thing really and it makes no sense. Gaming is affordable and open to anyone and everyone – ignoring physical disabilities or financial constraits. If a gamer considers themselves superior for spending more time than another or owning a different system than the next gamer, fine. I don't know why anyone cares what others think. I wonder if the issue arises from the fact gaming is often about competing, achieving and proving yourself, and that this has spilled over to how gamers regard each other.
As it happens I'm no more interested in Kinect as I am buying a Wii, a handheld system, or gaming on a mobile phone, or playing the thousands of games I'm not interested in... but I do find the hatred for Kinect (or more specifically the games it's designed for) rather entertaining!
De Mann on 7 Mar '11 said:
A game like Heavy Rain could work well on Kinect IMO.
djreplay on 7 Mar '11 said:
The only way I see Kinect games working are on a massive 3D tv, that could be cool with the right game but I can't see any benefit of it being used in the likes of Batman, Dead Space, GTA or any game I might play.
Moorpheus on 7 Mar '11 said:
Take them blinkers off kiddo.
I have an HD-DVD player (got it dirt cheap after they stopped making them) and a few movies. Use it as a regular DVD player as well.
Why don't you think a little bit before bashing something you don't even own/have tried?
i like jam donut on 7 Mar '11 said:
^LOL!
Moorpheus on 7 Mar '11 said:
Inventive reply dude!
Meh - I don't have to convince you of my opinion same as you don't have to with yours
only_777 on 7 Mar '11 said:
So it's been 4 months now and I've still not seen a single Kinect game I would want to play.
Thats not good going by anyones standards, even the 32X had a better libary of games in that sort of time.
Looking at the release dates, only three games have come out this year (Brunswick Pro Bowling, Body and Brain Connection, Dance Paradise)
Looking at the announced games already:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games
Whatever 'core' games they are planning, I very much doubt you'll see them anytime soon.
Paradaz - UK on 7 Mar '11 said:
I can't see any benefit of using Kinnect to play 'any games that you might play' either.....especially as you only play PS3 games.....
Paradaz - UK on 7 Mar '11 said:
And 'Move' has been nothing but a runaway success?
Seriously, was anybody really expecting either of these gimmicks to appeal to seasoned gamers?
Has everyone forgotten about Wii and how that worked out? I did, about 6 months after the console release. I don't think I've even turned my Wii on for over 18 months now.
i like jam donut on 7 Mar '11 said:
Don't get me wrong, i do think kinect is pointless, so is move. But kinect deserves more bantering, especially 'gamers' who bought it for its core aspects.
That's like being a biker and go for a ride on a pink barbie's bicycle while yelling 'argghhh!!!, you'll se, one day i will travel across america on it, and i am though'.
RandyChimp on 7 Mar '11 said:
Kinect is like Guitar Hero or Eyetoy, fun at parties, not so much on your own. When MS release a core game that appeals to mainstream gamers, I'll eat my hat and call myself pickles. Does anyone here own Kinect? And can I ask, do you regret it, from the games released so far?
MANYOO4EVA on 8 Mar '11 said:
I'm an old skool gamer and need a gamepad/keyboard/mouse to play games.I don't see hardcore gamers taking to this. It's good for family games but not for those of us who want to lose themselves in a massive RPG fantasy world, it just would not be the same. If everything goes to motion controls then my gaming is at an end.
double tap on 8 Mar '11 said:
Soviet1918 on 8 Mar '11 said:
MS: 'You're going to see more and more core Kinect games' Oh joy
only_777 on 8 Mar '11 said:
What the hell has this got to do with Move? Let me get this right because by that statment you mean one of two things:
1) If I say I think an MS product is under delivering, that makes me an instant Sony fanyboy?
or
2) You feel that you must compair Sony's product to MS's one to even out some sort of unbalance in this forum.
For the record I think that if you are a fan of motion control then I think the Move is better. I have played Killzone 3 with it and it works very well, I wouldn't choose it over a Dualshock, but if it was a Move only game I'd still buy it because Move works very well for it.
I think the Move offers a gamer intrested in 'core' games far more options than the Kinect. Both machines have casual games to play if thats what you are intrested in, but the Move offers already far more in the way of 'core' gaming. And I don't think anyone can disbute that.
Paradaz - UK on 8 Mar '11 said:
I'm not the only person that has noticed that the large majority of your posts are pro-Sony with regards to pretty much anything about the console, and even by your reply here we can all see that your comment about M$ under-delivering is countered with strong support for Sony's Move, so I was correct in thinking that.
For the record I think they are both a complete waste of time. I have played KZ3 with move and I think it's rubbish. It's a gimmick that doesn't last much longer than the time it takes to realise that turning is far too slow and pushing the edge of the screen will never be a substitue for a mouse or joypad.....and if anyone want's to dispute that then when a game let's you see who is using a particular controller in the multiplayer ladders then my point will be proven.
Kinnect isn't any better, especially for the genres of games that I play but one that that it does have going for it is massive potential. We've all seen the videos and hacks, so when the SDK goes live for PC I'm sure we'll see some more bedroom modders creating all sorts of things which will also undoubtedly filter back down to the consoles. On top of that, there is nothing to say that it can't/won't be used as an additional peripheral (eg. headtracking) for PC and 360 down the line together with additional peripherals such as guns steering wheels etc.
In my opinion, we've already seen what Move can do and won't be seeing anything new...just like the Wii.
only_777 on 8 Mar '11 said:
Thats not the point though, I never brought up the Move or anything by Sony - so there was no need for any sort of Playstation talk here.
As for my posts being 'Pro-Sony', so what? Thats not anti Microsoft though is it? Infact the last time we spoke:
http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=122518&start=15&sid=53809307df94ea7f8e6acc603be5fd18#p1867503
I even listed to you my fav points about the 360! So what are you talking about.
It's hardly like I'm some sort of Sony Fanboy, just because I happen to like the PS3 as a games machine - I think all this 'Pro Sony' stuff is in your head.
http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=122292&start=120&sid=53809307df94ea7f8e6acc603be5fd18#p1862865
Because other Don't seem to think so.
I just can't f**king win here can I? I say I like Playstation, I get called for 'Pro Sony bias'. I say about how I hacked a PS3 for homebrew and the SDF slag me to the ground:
http://forums.computerandvideogames.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=121931&sid=53809307df94ea7f8e6acc603be5fd18&sid=53809307df94ea7f8e6acc603be5fd18#p1855130
You lot do my f**king brain in. Just because I prefer Playstation doesn't mean I don't like the Xbox, saying that - whenever I actually don't like something, doesn't mean automaticlly I'm a fanboy to the other side.
Paradaz - UK on 8 Mar '11 said:
I never mentioned 'fanboy' in my post anywhere, although the fact you mention that you 'prefer' Playstation over Xbox says enough to me.
Why when trying to justify anything do people bring up the console brand names? Is it not about the actual games any more? Even if you own what you determine is 50 AAA PS3 games but no good 360 games (ir vice versa) its not MS or the 360 that is failing you, its the game developers. I don't understand any bias to the companies that add a logo to a circuit board surrounded by plastic.
BrodusMaximus on 9 Mar '11 said:
Yes we want to see more Core games. Yes we know it takes a while to develop such games. Why wasn't microsoft thinking ahead? Sure, they had a launch lineup prepared, but hopes for any decent new games in the near future look slim.
I agree with one of the commenters below, why not rerelease some classic titles with Kinect functionality. This would bridge the gap between these major game developments, and probably bring a lot of joy to many people. I really can't think of any excuses for Microsoft not to, especially if people are using programs like FAAST to easily create such functionality. Here is a prime example, I present Morrowind Kinect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuqwVjy82g
Now this may not be perfect, but it is definitely a better effort than Microsoft is putting in.
boskersrevenge on 9 Mar '11 said:
Much like you with your anti-Sony stance?
Glass houses, stones etc.
only_777 on 9 Mar '11 said:
Oh come on, don't decend into that level.
You never mentioned fanboy? Well, you are hinting at it right there. Also you hinted in your post.
If that is not calling me a fanboy without actually saying the word then I don't know what is. Also if you think having a prefered console makes someone a fanboy then I feel sorry for you. I prefer pork over chicken, am I a pork fanboy too? Also I prefer Hoegaarden over fosters, am I also a Hoegaarden fanboy?
Now hang on there, I didn't even bring Sony into this! You did! Read my post, it says NOTHING about Sony, and I stayed on topic and have my view on Kinect games:
You cheeky git! My post that got your feathers ruffled was about the games on Kinect, you bloody hypocrite. I'll post it AGAIN, maybe, just maybe you'll see that you'r attacking me for no reason at all.
Oh my god, your replying to things I haven't even said! Please quote my post in this thread where this statment can be referenced to.
Either you are not even reading my posts and replying anyway, or you'r trolling me. Whichever it is, please stop now because you are making yourself look like a fool.
ffcoppolla on 9 Mar '11 said:
Ye gods! Let it lie!
rbt2 on 9 Mar '11 said:
Well we've learnt one thing. Only777 is a pork fanboy.
only_777 on 9 Mar '11 said:
I will, that's my last post on the subject. He just got me really anoyed posting things that are just not true. Sorry, I'm a sucker for flame bait.
Don't forget the Hoegaarden. Lovely, lovely Hoegaarden!
http://www.gentrystyle.com/wp-content/uploads/hoegaarden.jpg
Paradaz - UK on 9 Mar '11 said:
What section of the post is so difficult to understand?
You say you prefer 'Playstation'! Playstation is a brand name.......
How can you prefer 'Playstation'? 'Playstation' isn't a game, a series of games or anything else......by saying you prefer 'Playstation' you are insinuating that you 'prefer' plastic with that logo as opposed to a different bit of plastic with the Xbox logo!
only_777 on 9 Mar '11 said:
Please, for your sake, stop trolloing me. You had resepct as a PC gamer, but that is fast going down the drain for becoming an xbot troll.
You still don't get it.
This is it, this is my final post to try and show you how sily you are being here.
For some resason you can't see that when I say Playstation, I mean the PS3 console. I mean it's not that there are lots of Playstations out there, there is only one Playstation out in this gen (PSP aside, but even you couldn't of be refering to that). I mean it can't really be that hard to pin it down, but as you can't seem to grasp it. IT'S THE PS3 I LIKE!
I really can't belive you needed that spelt out for you, when I say Playstation, I'm refering to the PS3. I'm sorry I'm sorry I overestimated your intelligence, I'll be sure not to do that in the future.
As far as the weak logo argument you created goes, don't tell me that there are no differences between the PS3 and the 360. Because if you think they are just as good as each other than I don' think anyone can respect anything you say ever again.
As you seem to need everyhting spelt out to you, both consoles have pro's and con's. But it is down to each gamer to decide what pro's and con's appeal to them. For me the the PS3 pro's outweigh the 360 pro's. Is that ok with you?
Sorry we don't all share the same intrests, but I like what I like, and you like what you like. Lets just leave it at that.
Also as you are so intent to put a fanboy label on me, place the Sega fanboy label on me. I would give Sega any amount of money for Shenmue 3, I wouldn't care. So now you have a label, are you happy now?
Paradaz - UK on 10 Mar '11 said:
Of course I know that you mean the PS3....it still doesn't make sense.
So you 'prefer' the PS3 over 360?
Do you mean you prefer the games on PS3 rather than 360? It makes no sense whatsoever to prefer one console over another. A gaming console is useless without the games.
They both have their pro's and con's, but ultimately they are only as good as the games that appear on them...and exactly the reason why I find it hard to understand why you 'prefer' a particular console brand over another when surely it's the games that you prefer over others and nothing to do with the actual console itself.
As a games console, the 360 has the better games library in my opinion and much better online portal....that's not to say that I hate Sony or the Playstation brand - I couldn't give a monkeys because brand names mean absolutely nothing to me. I own more PS3 games than I do 360 and probably put more time into the PS3 exclusive games than 360 and most of my multiplats are on PC, but ultimately it's all about the games....something that is obviously foreign to you. If you're going down the BR player route then bully for you, but I use consoles for games and have a standalone BR player for films. The consoles are in my games room, the BR player is in the living room so for me it's a needless feature.
As for 'losing respect' because someone might think one console is better than another...that's laughable, I don't 'prefer' either console and for you to even say that obviously shows your true colours. Seriously, why would thinking one console is better than the other (which is personal opinion anyway) have any weight with regards gaining or losing respect from others
....how bizarre! Now you really are sounding like a fanboy.
Why not tell us all why the PS3 is so much better in your opinion. You might even get loads of respect
Soviet1918 on 11 Mar '11 said:
MS: 'You're going to see more and more core Kinect games' I wouldnt shout about it, it's nothing to be proud of.
LordVonPS3 on 12 Mar '11 said:
Kinect is definitely a flop. Only know 1 person who bought one and he stopped using it after a week. I wouldn't be surprised if that's typical of the user base and it's not as if there's reams of great games coming out for it.
gmcb007 on 12 Mar '11 said:
Check out how much Kinects have been sold and see if its still a flop.
LordVonPS3 on 12 Mar '11 said:
Who cares? It's all relative. Going on Microsoft's sell-in sales figures, do you honestly believe that 1/5th of all XBox 360 owners have gone out and bought a Kinect? Rubbish.
Just because you bought a hammer doesn't mean you're out hammering nails everyday.
What percentage of owners actually use their Kinect on a daily basis? Where's that statistic?
Paradaz - UK on 12 Mar '11 said:
And what part of sales figures is important to someone who actually plays games?
I'll entertain positive or negative posts regarding anything.....but it's really pointless when it doesn't affect us in the slightest as people who play games. Perhaps you think we're all sales consultants or something.
The vast majority of us really couldn't give a flying fart about who sells the most, who is in the lead regarding sales and who gives 'shipped' or 'sold' figures because each and every one of those doesn't mean diddly squat. Did you make the point just to add something totally irrelevant to the thread? It looks that way.
gmcb007 on 12 Mar '11 said:
Well at the end of the day hasn't Microsoft made a lot of cash off the product so its not a failure. But then again looking at your name its no suprise your calling a Microsoft product a flop.
LordVonPS3 on 12 Mar '11 said:
Just how much actual cash has Microsoft made out of Kinect then? Talk cash flow - not projections.
Going on "sell in" sales figures doesn't mean anything in practical terms. No-one in their right mind should care if Microsoft convinced GAME to stock a hundred Kinect units. I was walking around Tesco earlier today and saw plenty of Kinect units on shelves there. It's not as if they're selling out, it's not as if there's a queue to buy them, so where are they all going to go? If Microsoft is manufacturing lots of stock just to sit there, then that's a waste of money.
As Paradaz says - gamers are interested in playing games, so people shouldn't really care too much about sales figures or cash made by these companies. If you love your Kinect (assuming you own one) then good for you, but for everyone else, the right question here is how does Kinect stack up against the competition for (cost) value Vs capability Vs quality.
(Cost) Value = Poor. It is the most expensive motion "controller". All this crap about buying 1 Kinect versus several PS Move controllers is a pointless, crap argument. You won't be using Kinect to play KillZone 3. I don't see any compelling reason for all PS3 / 360 console owners to buy a motion controller anyway - it's not like people are going to use them to play CoD or GTA4 or GT5... Also, times are harder now so there's going to be less focus on buying video games.
Capability = About the same... Really, full body tracking really doesn't offer anything unique from a game play perspective that the Wii / PS Move can't / doesn't. There's no buttons. Who cares if Kinect can see your fingers move? A pointless, as yet unrealized gimmick. Where's Guitar Hero for Kinect? Ohhh... Where's the better games on Kinect? Ohhhh. What games? Seriously... Core gamers are still looking out for Duke Forever, the next CoD, Battlefield 3, Forza 4, etc - this kind of thing - not full body motion table tennis.
Quality = About the same if not worse. No buttons to push. Motion control always lags behind pressing buttons. Even forgetting about the lag, what does Kinect offer that really stands out above other motion controllers? Nothing!
Keep in mind Microsoft has been saying for the past couple of years that Kinect was going to be some kind of paradigm shift in gaming thanks to the Wii's success. Well that certainly hasn't materialized.
You won't see Microsoft selling anything much in Japan over the coming weeks and months. People will still be trying to get back on their feet.
Also, I'd say all the CoD Black Ops punters out there are not worrying about Kinect any more than Wii gamers, who seem happy playing Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, already playing golf, tennis, etc - or not playing video games at all. After all, there's other things to do!
So then, yes, it's a flop.
Weak.
jtthegame on 14 Mar '11 said:
of course there will be more titles for the hardcore gamer for kinect. what wait did i see people calling kinect a flop dispite it selling by the millions if kinect is flop move is a complete failiure.