Wii 2 confirmed: Nintendo reveals new console is coming in 2012

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

it's alright cvg. i already know. ta anyway.

waited years to use a megaton pic,forgive me: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/images/cabinetpapers/he2d04-wha006994-main.jpg

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

I think this speaks for most of us.

http://api.ning.com/files/dQZnfdurJWNAQULLqkvlnWjq1VKZ9hvm*YcPsAVeYwKDw3CbU77h1*-4slmehGFgthEeW58kyIaJarvT8fWR--HRSVCifq6E/Homer04.jpg

justforkicks101 on 25 Apr '11 said:

http://vanshardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Picard_full_of_win.jpg

yerbluesjohn on 25 Apr '11 said:

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_koLiYzYp-LI/TOV6fwS2L9I/AAAAAAAABvs/Q99tKJn8NYc/s1600/star_wars_ewoks.jpg
say what?

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

*claps reservedly*

Now... before we get too excited, let's wait until E3 to find out just how much of the good stuff is true.

ricflair on 25 Apr '11 said:

Excellent. Although the rumours did make a new console seem inevitable, we can now carry on guessing what's it gonna be like!

Even though I've not been too excited about the idea of screens in controllers, it's a Nintendo console. They'd have to balls it up good and proper for me to not get it!

I'm not actually excited about E3 again!!!

LotuSan on 25 Apr '11 said:

"Sales of this new system have not been included in the financial forecasts announced today for the fiscal term ending March 2012"

Why would they say that unless the sales COULD be included in those forecasts, which would mean the systems launches in Q1?!

Ali_ on 25 Apr '11 said:

So they've finally caught up with tech specs from 4 years ago? Well done Nintendo

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

So they've finally caught up with tech specs from 4 years ago? Well done Nintendo

This may be of some help.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/local- ... rnet,2500/

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

I look forward to the stories between now and E3 with leaked stories about what it's called from those always lovable inside sources. The Nintendo Slash, The Nintendo Fantasmo, The It's-a me sphere or the subtle OMFGWTFBBQNINTY.

pRM8 on 25 Apr '11 said:

It has to offer a lot more (hardware and software wise) than the Wii did for me to even consider it.

It also has to be called the Woo.

benedictm on 25 Apr '11 said:

Tell you what excites me about this - wii games running in emulated hd look great already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yiMZrAa ... ata_player

Thought of playing in hd is moody thrilling

Also, just throwing this out there, with the timing of this do we think there could be a link between super Marion 3ds and wii stream (really?) Marion ?

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

new zelda footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBCzkz3gHb8

i'm impressed with the rendering capabilities

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

I don't quite understand why I hate that video, I just do.

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

TheLastDodo on 25 Apr '11 said:

It also has to be called the Woo.

This would've sounded better coming from ricflair .

The_Jaster on 25 Apr '11 said:

At least this means CVG will stop posting 100 wii 2 articles a day.

Oh E3 is going to be a cracker 3DS stuff & a new home console from Nintendo.

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

At least this means CVG will stop posting 100 wii 2 articles a day.

This is lovable, spammy and tabloid CVG we're talking about....

NostalgicGamer on 25 Apr '11 said:

Nintendo, take note:
1. Give the console a slick name
2. Graphics do matter
3.Make 3rd party friends
4.Tighten up your quality control
5. Hardcore gamers still exist!

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

The multi trillion yen earning company will take note of these helpful points.

nottsville on 25 Apr '11 said:

My thoughts on the announcement.

http://thoughtsofagamingfreak.blogspot. ... irmed.html

rick on 25 Apr '11 said:

Excellent news, can't wait for E3.

I have a good feeling about this new Nintendo console. I am hoping that it will be more of a spiritual successor to the SNES and N64.

And please stop referring to it as Wii 2, that just puts me right off.

verynaughtyboy on 25 Apr '11 said:

Before I make my comment let me explain that I have been a fan of Nintendo for some time and own a SNES, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, DS, N64, Gamecube and a Wii (I actually have one or two of the aforementioned consoles.)

I have to say though... I meet this story with complete apathy. Of all the Nintendo consoles I own the Wii has the fewest killer titles and I worry that Nintendo are no longer interested in producing the sort of games that I want to play. I do think they are more interested in the hugely profitable casual market. I would love to be proven wrong but I have to say that I don't see my 360 or PS3 being replaced as my gaming consoles of choice until their successors come along. (I still acknowledge that Zelda is one of the greatest gaming series ever.)

P.S. Does anyone think that Nintendo might finally introduce a Trophy / Achievement system?

Stryker89 on 25 Apr '11 said:

Imagine a proper HD Mario game shown at E3... Even if it's just a tech demo. Imagine it... Oh my word.

altitude2k on 25 Apr '11 said:

Am I the only person not particularly excited about a new Nintendo console?

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

Imagine a proper HD Mario game shown at E3... Even if it's just a tech demo. Imagine it... Oh my word.

First screenshot of it.

http://cache.kotaku.com/images/2006/07/gamelandcouple.jpg

voodoo341 on 25 Apr '11 said:

The controllers?

Dajmin on 25 Apr '11 said:

I've already said that I don't think the Wii's successor is going to sell by the same boatloads that the original did. Trying to convince the old people and other non-traditional gamers that they should upgrade a box they're already perfectly happy with is going to be a major challenge.

But look at the stuff they're already pimping. A controller that has a touch screen interface? Sounds good to me, but it goes against the whole idea that the Wii had of keeping the controller simple so that anybody can use it.

On the other hand, maybe leaving that kind of gamer behind would be good for the rest of us, and give us the experience that the original Wii should have been. Amazing quality games with crazy extra layers of interactivity. I'd definitely think about it.

Felly117 on 25 Apr '11 said:

$350 - $400 is allot of money. I hope they make it worth the cash

Moorpheus on 25 Apr '11 said:

It also has to be called the Woo.

This would've sounded better coming from ricflair .

Nah it's gotta be called either the Wii Wii or Puu /immaturity

I'll be interested to see what Ninty do with the Wii 2...

shellster2 on 25 Apr '11 said:

T3. (Trouser Tent Time)

Bump the new Zelda to the next system, pretty please.

gmcb007 on 25 Apr '11 said:

As long as they don't called it the Wii Stream... that would be taking the p**s. *drum roll*

I'll get my coat...

Ali_ on 25 Apr '11 said:

So they've finally caught up with tech specs from 4 years ago? Well done Nintendo

This may be of some help.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/local- ... rnet,2500/

It would be funny if the Wii hadn't been crushingly disappointing. I'd been a Nintendo loyalist for 14 years up until I owned a Wii. Waste of time and money, they have a lot to prove...

JD_Method on 25 Apr '11 said:

It also has to be called the Woo.

Nah it's gotta be called either the Wii Wii or Puu /immaturity

Nintendo Slaash?

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

They have nothing to prove... you and many others did indeed feel cheated in some way. I kind of realised where things were going to go just before the Wii was released and I cancelled my preorder (it was bucking a trend actually as I never buy consoles on release any more as launches are never sustainably exciting) and picked one up only late last year.

Something about Wii games staying in the charts long after supposed core games come and go say the Wii was a huge success and there is no reason why Nintendo has to prove anything to anyone other than the shareholders.

I am excited by this new idea but am waiting patiently for concrete details to come to light, but oh sweet Sony fan have you not considered how this could possibly trend?

I have my own ideas with how I think this could possibly play out but they're wasted online being honest.

I will say one thing, I seldom read the bull I get from forums. It goes to show that even with so much information available within seconds, people cannot just clam down and take things from a logical and neutral standpoint.

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

nintendo didn't let me down this gen,the majority of 3rd parties did.

galaxy 1 and 2,nuff said?

moving quickly on,one thing about this really stands out to me: it'll be playable at e3. i think even the ones of us who figured it was real all along had it down as a video reveal with a showreel of forthcoming games. the fact that people will actually be playing wii2 games in less than 6 weeks is quite a surprise.

just how far along are nintendo with this?

much further than i thought,by the sound of it.

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

I never really put much thought into what we'd see at E3, but for some reason I didn't think it impossible to have something playable.

gmcb007 on 25 Apr '11 said:

I never really put much thought into what we'd see at E3, but for some reason I didn't think it impossible to have something playable.

I've got a strong feeling that Mario Kart will be one of the first games to play on it.

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

I never really put much thought into what we'd see at E3, but for some reason I didn't think it impossible to have something playable.

really? we've went from rumoured potential to confirmed playable in less than 8 hours.

wtf does surprise you?

as much as i expected the machine,playable games is something i just didn't see coming. i figured vid demos for wii2 and wii games like the last story,zelda and dragon quest X to playable instead.

gmcb007: i can see starfox and f-zero. 2 nintendo franchises that have always relied on the spectacle and tech. i can honestly see why there was no wii versions of either. nowhere near enough juice to do them justice.

let the wishlists begin.....

ricflair on 25 Apr '11 said:

nintendo didn't let me down this gen,the majority of 3rd parties did.

Abso-bloody-exactly!

I'd take the wii exclusives over the Sony/MS ones (not to say they haven't been good though) every day of the week.

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

Surely an hd version of skyward sword for launch is a cert.

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

Surely an hd version of skyward sword for launch is a cert.

i hope not tbh,that tactic came back to bite them in the arse last time out.

they basically said to 3rd parties 'port away folks' when they launched with a gamecube game on the wii. the tech (stop sniggering at the back ) was capable of far more as the likes of galaxy,dead space,goldeneye,etc... showed.

nintendo have to lead the way on the format from day 1 imo.

also,i want skyward sword this year. i've waited enough for that man,shhhh

charliecheswick on 25 Apr '11 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see a working F-Zero at E3 either,as it would show-off the capabilities of the new hardware. F-Zero was great on the GC and an audio visual treat to boot. I can understand why they didn't bring it to Wii as it requires dexterity that the Wiimote and nunchuck simply cannot provide. If Nintendo are intent on recapturing the core gamer,it will be very interesting to see who has games in the pipeline for the new console.

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

I never really put much thought into what we'd see at E3, but for some reason I didn't think it impossible to have something playable.

really? we've went from rumoured potential to confirmed playable in less than 8 hours.

wtf does surprise you?

Haha! Well, after last year's E3 when the 3DS was revealed did a bevvy of chicks descend in to the audience; I'm not sure Nintendo could top that but I think they would try

Wish-list? Ok... how about something cruel? Like Skyward is pt1 of a 2pt saga ending on the Wii2.

I'm easy to please when it comes to Nintendo but some 3rd party exclusives would be fantastic. You know, consistent ones.

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

charlie,i agree with everything apart from gx being great. no sega and a proper soundtrack next time nintendo.

more like x,please!?
http://www.morphizm.com/images/recommends/film/shrek/shrek2_puss.jpg

charliecheswick on 25 Apr '11 said:

I thought it was fantastic hicky. It was great looking,had a great soundtrack,a real challenge on normal settings and the controls were spot on. I'd take the same again with on-line multiplayer tomorrow tbh. On Skyward sword,we've seen next to nothing for a game that was reportedly due for release last year,i'm wondering if the game has been overhauled for the new console,keeping the framework but updating the .....well,everything!

Imaduck on 25 Apr '11 said:

E3 is looking very interesting this year

Very_Silver_Ownz on 25 Apr '11 said:

it will be called the wiiwii because Wii + Wii = Wii 2

ste hicky on 25 Apr '11 said:

:shock: I thought it was fantastic hicky. It was great looking,had a great soundtrack,a real challenge on normal settings and the controls were spot on.

mmm,imo,(gotta put that in the small print).....

f-zero gx: it was great looking,no argument,i run the us version in 480p on the wii and it smokes 80% of wii games tbh. had some interesting stuff like the story mode. some decent (no silence or port town 1 killers,but decent all the same) courses. a proper powerslide system. was blisteringly fast. fair comment,i'd give it credit there man.

however,i thought the course design was too sedate and all of the speed was wasted on straights that went on for miles instead of vomit inducing loop the loops and corkscrew course design. i felt they were too wide for the most part too,it rarely felt like there was 29 other vehicles jostling with me.

the soundtrack was completely broken,most of the old tunes were remixed beyond all recognition. did anyone know that was actually the big blue theme? the only time the soundtrack was anywhere near correct was when you opened the guitar arrange soundtrack for big blue that you could have with a press of the z button. it was also the only time it felt like f-zero too,strange how important music is at times. i want the snes/n64 tunes back.

i also thought the story mode courses were wasted: they should've been in a bonus gp once you clocked story mode.

in comparison to the insanely fantastic n64 game,it felt closer to wipeout and i'm a bit of a stick in the mud old bugger who just wants x,a course editor and better graphics with 30 player online. (rant over kidding)

charliecheswick on 25 Apr '11 said:

"ste hicky" i'm a bit of a stick in the mud old bugger who just wants x,a course editor and better graphics with 30 player online. (rant over kidding)

I'd settle for that. Yep,the story mode was interesting,some of the FMV was incredible at the time too. Strange for me to like a racer but i played it to death. Reminded me of why i used to pump all my loot into the arcades as a nipper. So that's settled then,F-Zero for E3 it is!

GlynCR on 25 Apr '11 said:

i hope microsoft or sony don't panic and rushout there next machine

on another topic would anyone else buy wii2 if it was exactly the same games in 1080p?

The_KFD_Case on 25 Apr '11 said:

The controllers?

If true, then those controllers take the prize for apparently being the ugliest, and quite like the most unwieldy, looking controllers seen in a generation or two of gaming hardware IMO.

Cogglesz on 25 Apr '11 said:

I must say even though it feels a good 4 years late, i'm looking forward to seeing mario & link in HD.

charliecheswick on 25 Apr '11 said:

The controllers?

If true, then those controllers take the prize for apparently being the ugliest, and quite like the most unwieldy, looking controllers seen in a generation or two of gaming hardware IMO.

I hope the screen's not smack bang in the middle,it'd ruin my gaming stance if it's used as a hud. I like to rest my elbows on my knees when i play,i don't want to be looking directly down at the controller every now and then,i'll get whipped! If it extends out from between the traditional trigger buttons,that'd be perfick.

ilovenewtech on 25 Apr '11 said:

The multi trillion yen earning company will take note of these helpful points.
boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11

They have nothing to prove... you and many others did indeed feel cheated in some way. I kind of realised where things were going to go just before the Wii was released and I cancelled my preorder (it was bucking a trend actually as I never buy consoles on release any more as launches are never sustainably exciting) and picked one up only late last year.

Something about Wii games staying in the charts long after supposed core games come and go say the Wii was a huge success and there is no reason why Nintendo has to prove anything to anyone other than the shareholders.

I am excited by this new idea but am waiting patiently for concrete details to come to light, but oh sweet Sony fan have you not considered how this could possibly trend?

I have my own ideas with how I think this could possibly play out but they're wasted online being honest.

I will say one thing, I seldom read the bull I get from forums. It goes to show that even with so much information available within seconds, people cannot just clam down and take things from a logical and neutral standpoint.
boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11

Hey awesome hi to everyone hope you have all having a totally super awesome Easter, long weekend. I just wanted to ask Boskersrevenge whats up my super awesome fellow forum poster and moderator. I am a big Nintendo fan and love them with all the super awesomeness of the universe, but aggressiveness and sarcasm to some of our fellow super awesome fellow forum posters by you is not cool man and is making you sound like a complete fanboy and devalues your normaly super awesome opinion. While I do not necessarily agree with any of there points the not so keen on Nintendo super awesome posters made they are entitled to the opinions without this brand of fanboyism being thrust upon them. Sorry if I interrupted your super awesomeness, I just thought you might appreciate a friendly super awesome whisper in your ear. Go team super awesome Boskersrevenge yeah!!!!

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

Jesus Christ what just happened there!

alan666 on 25 Apr '11 said:

it's got to be less than £250 here in the UK thats for sure !

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

Jesus Christ what just happened there!

He released his super awesomeness all over your face is what. Did he get banned or something? he hasn't been around for a bit.

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

I have no idea but hold me.... *shivers*

gmcb007 on 25 Apr '11 said:

Boskers...i think you were just violated somehow....

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

*scrubs*

They just don't make water hot enough!

flash501 on 25 Apr '11 said:

Am I the only person not particularly excited about a new Nintendo console?

Newp, you're not the only one.

El Mag on 25 Apr '11 said:

*holds* it's not on frightening poor bosk like that, he was just chilling minding his own business then pow he's getting super awesome sauced. We'll take it in turns gmcb007, you take the night shift. If the phone rings and somebody says "what's your favourite scary movie" i'm doing a runner though.

The_Jaster on 25 Apr '11 said:

Yeah the super awesome guy is back! that is indeed so super awesome friends.

gmcb007 on 25 Apr '11 said:

*holds* it's not on frightening poor bosk like that, he was just chilling minding his own business then pow he's getting super awesome sauced. We'll take it in turns gmcb007, you take the night shift. If the phone rings and somebody says "what's your favourite scary movie" i'm doing a runner though.

I'll bring my shotgun. If I even hear the words 'super' or 'happy' then i'm turning it on myself.

boskersrevenge on 25 Apr '11 said:

I've seen the light, join me.

http://www.yourinternets.com/storage/lobotomy.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1270566721351

gmcb007 on 25 Apr '11 said:

Kill it with fire!!!

charliecheswick on 25 Apr '11 said:

Hey awesome hi to everyone hope you have all having a totally super awesome Easter, long weekend. I just wanted to ask Boskersrevenge whats up my super awesome fellow forum poster and moderator. I am a big Nintendo fan and love them with all the super awesomeness of the universe, but aggressiveness and sarcasm to some of our fellow super awesome fellow forum posters by you is not cool man and is making you sound like a complete fanboy and devalues your normaly super awesome opinion. While I do not necessarily agree with any of there points the not so keen on Nintendo super awesome posters made they are entitled to the opinions without this brand of fanboyism being thrust upon them. Sorry if I interrupted your super awesomeness, I just thought you might appreciate a friendly super awesome whisper in your ear. Go team super awesome Boskersrevenge yeah!!!!

Why am i thinking Santino Marella?

MD1500 on 25 Apr '11 said:

They ought to call it the Powerful Nintendo Entertainment System.

The PNES.

Keep the urine theme going.

ricflair on 25 Apr '11 said:

Am I the only person not particularly excited about a new Nintendo console?

Newp, you're not the only one.

That's because you have no soul!!!!

Balladeer on 25 Apr '11 said:

I have no soul and I'm excited! Damnit, I'd sell my soul for this if I had one!

Windowlicker79 on 25 Apr '11 said:

It also has to be called the Woo.

This would've sounded better coming from ricflair .

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ricflair.jpg

Very_Silver_Ownz on 25 Apr '11 said:

@ilovenewtech - Hey super happy awesome guy is back
Don't mind Bosker and El mag...you can hug me if you want

ricflair on 25 Apr '11 said:

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ricflair.jpg

That's my steam avatar!

rbt2 on 25 Apr '11 said:

They ought to call it the Powerful Nintendo Entertainment System.

The PNES.

Keep the urine theme going.

Now that's clever!

Beetle Bum on 25 Apr '11 said:

it's got to be less than £250 here in the UK thats for sure !

You cheap tight Bastard

ilovenewtech on 25 Apr '11 said:

We are all sending and receiving the super, awesome and totally radical awesomeness flowing through the airwaves tonight, so totally super awesome. Can you all feel it. WOW. Go team super, awesome and happy, yeah!!!!! NO negativity to each other guys there is to much in the world and we are all the ones to change it by feeling the super awesomeness. Go team NO negativity to each other and feeling the super awesomeness flowing through the airwaves yeah!!!!!

sniper789 on 25 Apr '11 said:

@ilovenewtech: yea man had an awesome easter tell your dad, the Easter Bunny, hope he had a good birthday

P.s. get off those blue smarties

p.p.s: you must really hate emos

justforkicks101 on 25 Apr '11 said:

We are all sending and receiving the super, awesome and totally radical awesomeness flowing through the airwaves tonight, so totally super awesome. Can you all feel it. WOW. Go team super, awesome and happy, yeah!!!!! NO negativity to each other guys there is to much in the world and we are all the ones to change it by feeling the super awesomeness. Go team NO negativity to each other and feeling the super awesomeness flowing through the airwaves yeah!!!!!

ive missed you

sniper789 on 25 Apr '11 said:

Yea. I'm glad he's back

The_Jaster on 26 Apr '11 said:

Go team NO negativity to each other and feeling the super awesomeness flowing through the airwaves yeah!!!!!

Preach! brotha Preach!

AaronRider on 26 Apr '11 said:

They should bring out a wii handheld...called wii-wii, i can see the akward situations now...
" hey mate whats that your playing with? "
" just my wii-wii, may have broke it though had a long hard session when i first got it out "

...too much?

Welsh Jester on 26 Apr '11 said:

if they make the same mistake with Wii and tech specs, it's going to be too underpowered and 1-2 years later it will not look very good against the next gen sony & microsoft console.

Gaseous Snake on 26 Apr '11 said:

We are all sending and receiving the super, awesome and totally radical awesomeness flowing through the airwaves tonight, so totally super awesome. Can you all feel it. WOW. Go team super, awesome and happy, yeah!!!!! NO negativity to each other guys there is to much in the world and we are all the ones to change it by feeling the super awesomeness. Go team NO negativity to each other and feeling the super awesomeness flowing through the airwaves yeah!!!!!

Hate to be Mister Killjoy, but there's no airwaves in fibre-optic cable. And negativity is hard-wired into the human mind. Staying rational is the best option.

On topic, I hope they return to the good ol' days of the Gamecube and N64. I always liked the N64 controller too, although they'd need to replace some buttons for a second analogue stick. Do that, and get some 3rd-party developers on board for some racers and shooters, and it'll be fantastic. Also HD graphics, and some sord of high-capacity disc (would Sony let them use Blu-Ray? Can they stop them at all? Find out in the next episode...).

KK-Headcharge78 on 26 Apr '11 said:

If they get back to a little more hardcore games I think it would be great, if it is simply Wii #2 then I'll give it a miss thanks.

milky_joe on 26 Apr '11 said:

Bring on E3 then...

aj101 on 26 Apr '11 said:

if they make the same mistake with Wii and tech specs, it's going to be too underpowered and 1-2 years later it will not look very good against the next gen sony & microsoft console.

Judging by the rumoured specs this likely won't be a problem, E3 is around the corner and will tell all. I think there's scope for Nintendo to disappoint, but with tech and prices where they're at today I'm pretty confident we're going to see a system that will (when utilised) put the current consoles to shame.

What's more advantageous is that in one or two years I don't think Sony or Microsoft will be able to trump the wii2 like their consoles currently trump the Wii, nor would I bet on either company putting themselves into the same situation they did this generation with loss leading consoles.

All in all I think Nintendo are sitting pretty pretty. If they're free with their money, easy to develop for, and provide a proper online ecosystem (which is a big ask given their track record) a one or two year lead could be enough to cement them in the market place. It's a pretty dominant strategy if they push it - they'll have the best tech and the best games (obviously graphics are not the sole determinant but you get the drift), and while the other two age and hit their stride, Nintendo should still easily top them. Then when it's time for the next Sony and MS releases Nintendo can drop their price.

I can only see positives here? Anyone else? It's dependent on a few ifs from Nintendo, but I think the market has matured in all the places where they've previously held off from and it's fairly obvious what they need to do next. Anyone got an alternate narrative? I see it as Nintendo's to lose. Perhaps partly because I don't see Sony or Microsoft as having the same space or drive to innovate or risk their current market place.

Don't know. It's also annoying getting all hopped up over another console release. Obviously failed to grow up properly still

The_Jaster on 26 Apr '11 said:

I've got a question, how much further power wise can MS & Sony really go without being more expensive than they were this gen?
I've always said what Nintendo done with wii was a masterstroke it terms of not leaping to go as an all out powerhouse (playing the long game you could say) when you will no doubt compare the graphics of wii to the next console the leap will look massive.

Though with Sony & MS I don't think we will be saying the same thing when their new machines arrive on the scene, if all they do is make it true HD (Fully 1080p) then it simple wont be enough.

Exciting times though.