Anonymous: We didn't bring down the PlayStation Network for profit

Confused_Dude on 5 May '11 said:

Being anonymous is a both a gift and a curse.

I speak for anonymous, and tomorrow we will bring down the website of the worlds biggest sweetie manufacturer...

See how easy it is?

PandyBear on 5 May '11 said:

While we are a distributed and decentralized group. Our 'leadership' does not condone credit card theft. We are concerned with the erosion of privacy and fair use, the spread of corporate feudalism

While your leader condones it, i wonder how many of your lackies have the same views? Also, i dont remember asking or wanting Anonymous's help on anything, so why are they fighting on our behalf?

Random Hangman on 5 May '11 said:

Although I personally have no time for these hacking groups and think that they are a serious danger to most of us and our "normal" lives regarding the online stuff we use, this article is paraphrasing and leaving a critical line out of Sony's statement.

What they actually said was that they were under a separate attack from Anonymous with a denial-of-service attack when the other breach occured. They are unsure as to whether the two are related or whether someone just took advantage while Sony's metaphoric back was turned. The Sony quote was ""Whether those who participated in the denial of service attacks were conspirators or whether they were simply duped into providing cover for a very clever thief, we may never know"

Bit different to the above article's implication...

iucidium on 5 May '11 said:

Sony are gonna make an example of these guys to scare hackers/modders so the NGP can actually be a sucess unlike the piracy riddled PSP. Ill admit it, I have CFW on my PSP, BUT I only use it for emulation/playing my ripped PS1 games.

martinawatson on 5 May '11 said:

Perhaps they could use there knowledge to track down the culprits, probably wouldnt take them too long

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Being anonymous is a both a gift and a curse.

I speak for anonymous, and tomorrow we will bring down the website of the worlds biggest sweetie manufacturer...

See how easy it is?

Please leave Rowntrees alone Anonymous.

altitude2k on 5 May '11 said:

Sony are gonna make an example of these guys to scare hackers/modders so the NGP can actually be a sucess unlike the piracy riddled PSP.

Wasn't this attack the result of Sony "making an example" of someone?

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Sony's movement of the servers to a more secure area makes it clear what happened here. Sony themselves are using Anon as a cover for what increasingly looks like a theft from a group with inside access to the servers. Considering Sony just fired 200 employees about a month previously from this division. It would be suggestible that this was an inside job and that Sony was negligent in ensuring that disgruntled employees no longer had access.

starvinbull on 5 May '11 said:

I just hope they don't stay anonymous long and someone exposes them one by one, then they can actually be proven innocent or guilty.

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Sony's movement of the servers to a more secure area makes it clear what happened here. Sony themselves are using Anon as a cover for what increasingly looks like a theft from a group with inside access to the servers. Considering Sony just fired 200 employees about a month previously from this division. It would be suggestible that this was an inside job and that Sony was negligent in ensuring that disgruntled employees no longer had access.

And Bin Laden really died in 2001 of kidney failure.

Mark240473 on 5 May '11 said:

I'm absolutely sick of the media glamourising these 'Anonymous' hackers.

They are the scum of the earth, fighting for a cause that nobody asked for.

Apparently, because I was so gutted that Linux was removed from the PS3 (I wasn't), I now have to suffer the lack of an online service and the fear that some thieving arse-wipe may, or may not, sell/use my personal details.

Yeah, whoever it was, cheers. And cheers to you too, CVG. You give these idiots a voice.

wrightandrewjame on 5 May '11 said:

We are concerned with the erosion of privacy and fair use, the spread of corporate feudalism, the abuse of power and the justifications of executives and leaders who believe themselves immune personally and financially for the actions the undertake in the name of corporations and public office

So that's why you're an organisation called Anonymous and nobody as such knows who the members are. You've stolen the personal information of millions of innocent people, causing untold distress and possible financial problems, just because you have the power to. Now you're saying your leaders are not condoning this and are not responsible. Way to check off the entire list of what you "stand" for Anonymous. Biggest bunch of hypocrites.

starvinbull on 5 May '11 said:

Sony's movement of the servers to a more secure area makes it clear what happened here. Sony themselves are using Anon as a cover for what increasingly looks like a theft from a group with inside access to the servers. Considering Sony just fired 200 employees about a month previously from this division. It would be suggestible that this was an inside job and that Sony was negligent in ensuring that disgruntled employees no longer had access.

Those disguntled employees haven't publicly threatened Sony and didn't leave their own calling card in Sony's system "we are legion!"

You may believe it's more likely but don't rush to defend people that have not identified themselves, have dubious motives and threatened to do something like what you say they haven't done.

They could very easilly prove their innocence if they really wanted to.

Ali_ on 5 May '11 said:

Am I misreading this. Anonymous originally said it had NOTHING to do with them. Now they are not denying it, simply saying they don't intend to profit from them? So they're liars, but expect us to believe them?

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Sony's movement of the servers to a more secure area makes it clear what happened here. Sony themselves are using Anon as a cover for what increasingly looks like a theft from a group with inside access to the servers. Considering Sony just fired 200 employees about a month previously from this division. It would be suggestible that this was an inside job and that Sony was negligent in ensuring that disgruntled employees no longer had access.

And Bin Laden really died in 2001 of kidney failure.

You are a closed minded idiot, ignorant of all the facts. You wish to believe that a company in the process of investigation by several companies would freely open itself to huge financial penalties rather than use a scapegoat for their own mistakes. Too many people on here are wanting to be judge and jury. Too many more want to ignore ALL the evidence. While it could still be an offshoot of Anon, that would not explain Sony's move to alter the physical location of the servers other than the fact that the intrusion was in someway made possible through access to them in their original location. Maybe some of the disgruntled employees were part of Anon, who knows. However, your enthusiastic desire to believe Sony is telling the entire truth is a sad reflection of a brain-washed society.

starvinbull on 5 May '11 said:

Being anonymous is a both a gift and a curse.

I speak for anonymous, and tomorrow we will bring down the website of the worlds biggest sweetie manufacturer...

See how easy it is?

Please leave Rowntrees alone Anonymous.

Surely you mean Cadbury's?

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Sony's movement of the servers to a more secure area makes it clear what happened here. Sony themselves are using Anon as a cover for what increasingly looks like a theft from a group with inside access to the servers. Considering Sony just fired 200 employees about a month previously from this division. It would be suggestible that this was an inside job and that Sony was negligent in ensuring that disgruntled employees no longer had access.

Those disguntled employees haven't publicly threatened Sony and didn't leave their own calling card in Sony's system "we are legion!"

You may believe it's more likely but don't rush to defend people that have not identified themselves, have dubious motives and threatened to do something like what you say they haven't done.

They could very easilly prove their innocence if they really wanted to.

Sony stated they found a file called anonymous with the statement "We are legion" in their servers. Only an idiot would leave such a "calling card" especially considering that just prior to this attack anonymous had made statement that they would o anything that would affect the consumer. Even with their past actions, not attacking Amazon at Christmas for fear of getting ill will from consumers, they have established a precedent that would make the current actions contrary wise.

altitude2k on 5 May '11 said:

Shirley you mean Mars? Opal Fruits ftw.

YEAH, BITCHES. YOU HEARD ME.

starvinbull on 5 May '11 said:

You are a closed minded idiot, ignorant of all the facts. You wish to believe that a company in the process of investigation by several companies would freely open itself to huge financial penalties rather than use a scapegoat for their own mistakes. Too many people on here are wanting to be judge and jury. Too many more want to ignore ALL the evidence. While it could still be an offshoot of Anon, that would not explain Sony's move to alter the physical location of the servers other than the fact that the intrusion was in someway made possible through access to them in their original location. Maybe some of the disgruntled employees were part of Anon, who knows. However, your enthusiastic desire to believe Sony is telling the entire truth is a sad reflection of a brain-washed society.

By remaining anonymous, anonymous are themselves hiding evidence of their innocence. Don't blame Sony because the glove most certainly does fit anonymous at the moment.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Am I misreading this. Anonymous originally said it had NOTHING to do with them. Now they are not denying it, simply saying they don't intend to profit from them? So they're liars, but expect us to believe them?

They are still saying they had nothing to do with this. They are further clarifying the reasons why they would have nothing to do with this.

lonewolf2002 on 5 May '11 said:

Sony are gonna make an example of these guys to scare hackers/modders so the NGP can actually be a sucess unlike the piracy riddled PSP. Ill admit it, I have CFW on my PSP, BUT I only use it for emulation/playing my ripped PS1 games.

Did you write your own CFW? As if not you grabbed it like sadly the pirates do and that is the issue all along most CFW is for semi-legit reasons like yours but can be used for piracy by those that choose to do so. So if they make say NGP bulletproof so no CFW could be run where would you be when wanting to do what you stated above on the PSP?

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

And Bin Laden really died in 2001 of kidney failure.

You are a closed minded idiot, ignorant of all the facts. You wish to believe that a company in the process of investigation by several companies would freely open itself to huge financial penalties rather than use a scapegoat for their own mistakes. Too many people on here are wanting to be judge and jury. Too many more want to ignore ALL the evidence. While it could still be an offshoot of Anon, that would not explain Sony's move to alter the physical location of the servers other than the fact that the intrusion was in someway made possible through access to them in their original location. Maybe some of the disgruntled employees were part of Anon, who knows. However, your enthusiastic desire to believe Sony is telling the entire truth is a sad reflection of a brain-washed society.

Chill out sweetheart it was a joke about conspiracies. You seem to be really into it though so carry on, whatever makes you happy i suppose. How did you get an enthusiastic desire to defend Sony from that one line?. Maybe you should check my post history and see that i've not believed anybody through all of this.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

You are a closed minded idiot, ignorant of all the facts. You wish to believe that a company in the process of investigation by several companies would freely open itself to huge financial penalties rather than use a scapegoat for their own mistakes. Too many people on here are wanting to be judge and jury. Too many more want to ignore ALL the evidence. While it could still be an offshoot of Anon, that would not explain Sony's move to alter the physical location of the servers other than the fact that the intrusion was in someway made possible through access to them in their original location. Maybe some of the disgruntled employees were part of Anon, who knows. However, your enthusiastic desire to believe Sony is telling the entire truth is a sad reflection of a brain-washed society.

By remaining anonymous, anonymous are themselves hiding evidence of their innocence. Don't blame Sony because the glove most certainly does fit anonymous at the moment.

Actually the glove doesn't fit their recent actions. As stated above with regard as to why they didn't go ahead with attacks on Amazon. I am simply stating people here are jumping on the, "it must be anonymous because Sony have implicated them" bandwagon. Frankly, it could still be an Anon group. If so it's a very stupid division. I'm not discounting that. However, I am neither discounting Sony covering up whereas everyone else here seems to be blindly believing Sony.

I'd rather an independent investigation was conducted by a government than by Sony or an employed consultancy of Sony.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

And Bin Laden really died in 2001 of kidney failure.

Chill out sweetheart it was a joke about conspiracies. You seem to be really into it though so carry on, whatever makes you happy i suppose. How did you get an enthusiastic desire to defend Sony from that one line?. Maybe you should check my post history and see that i've not believed anybody through all of this.

Because, you were attempting to belittle my objective point that people are simply believing a large corporation rather than demanding independent investigation. That is not conspiracy. That is simply wanting to see the actual perpetrators punished rather than the whipped-up witch hunt. To suggest that it is a conspiracy to consider any other possibility in a case other than the defendant is telling the whole truth simply establishes that you have fully bought into the defendants position with no regard for further objectivity or justice.

altitude2k on 5 May '11 said:

Calm down, he wasn't trying to belittle you. He was just bringing some lightheartedness to the proceedings. Something that this thread desperately needed.

Balladeer on 5 May '11 said:

It's all too easy for some rogue anons. to do something like this, although I actually believe them when they say they didn't do it "as a whole".

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Calm down, he wasn't trying to belittle you. He was just bringing some lightheartedness to the proceedings. Something that this thread desperately needed.

Exactly. People will believe whatever they want, us banging on about it won't change their opinions.

Yesterday i agreed with g_marrs in the Sony officially responds to US Congress over PSN hack story. I wrote

Personally i think it was somebody that took advantage of the attacks Anonymous were doing, slinked in past them both while Sony were busy with Anon and made away with the swag.

See, no Sony love or Anon bashing.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Calm down, he wasn't trying to belittle you. He was just bringing some lightheartedness to the proceedings. Something that this thread desperately needed.

And I'm just trying to bring objectivity to it. There are simply a vast range of other possibilities. Funny that he wasn't trying to be funny with the rabid Sony supporters?

There are many things to be humorous about, however this is developing into a witch-hunt! Considering gamers are always defensive about the media scapegoating them for violence and witch-hunting games as the source of all social ills, the growing hypocrisy here is ridiculous!

How about W.R.O.N.G. Gamers go on a blind rampage!
I'm sure the Sony fanatics here could easily form a lynch mob!

wrightandrewjame on 5 May '11 said:

I'd rather an independent investigation was conducted by a government than by Sony or an employed consultancy of Sony.

FBI are also investigating the incident so there is a government body working on this. You didn't comment on this article, so you might have missed it:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/30 ... -psn-hack/

Ali_ on 5 May '11 said:

Am I misreading this. Anonymous originally said it had NOTHING to do with them. Now they are not denying it, simply saying they don't intend to profit from them? So they're liars, but expect us to believe them?

They are still saying they had nothing to do with this. They are further clarifying the reasons why they would have nothing to do with this.

Nothing in that statement is a denial though.

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

And I'm just trying to bring objectivity to it. There are simply a vast range of other possibilities. Funny that he wasn't trying to be funny with the rabid Sony supporters?

That's because the only way i could fit in a line about Bin Laden to a Sony supporter would be the one about him being found because he had a PSN account and used his real address. And that's been done to death now.

How about...

Sony supporters, it wasn't Anonymous you fools. It was Professor Plum, in the Library, with the candlestick.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I'd rather an independent investigation was conducted by a government than by Sony or an employed consultancy of Sony.

FBI are also investigating the incident so there is a government body working on this. You didn't comment on this article, so you might have missed it:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/30 ... -psn-hack/

No, I'm aware of it however thanks. Other gamers on here should know about that as well. Gamers should be waiting to the outcome of those government body findings rather than what is going on in this thread. This thread has moved beyond mere speculation.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

They are still saying they had nothing to do with this. They are further clarifying the reasons why they would have nothing to do with this.

Nothing in that statement is a denial though.

They've already denied any involvement. That statement is to do with why the philosophy of the group wouldn't lend itself to credit card theft. You really want to judge them guilty because they didn't reiterate their previous statement again about involvement in the PSN in a new statement about why they don't condone credit card theft?

To the rest of those who have already made up your mind, I think we've found you a hanging judge.

TheLastDodo on 5 May '11 said:

http://www.bebo.com/c/photos/view?Membe ... 2805888698

TheCrimsonFenix on 5 May '11 said:

They may say they're fighting for free speech and all that jazz but like a few people have been saying, they don't speak for everybody. One group's view of what is right and wrong doesn't match everybody else's. They're not the all encompassing voice of what is right. They're just a random bunch of assholes that like to think they're playing with the big boy government, with their own views. Sounds like any other religious group/politician/cult to me. When people need help regarding a big company like Sony, they'll ask for it. Until then, f**k off, Anonymous.

As for whoever did hack into Sony's network... thanks for temporarily bringing down gaming for... wow, a couple of weeks, and reminding Sony to strengthen their security.

As for Sony, slap on wrist, and I'll thank you for the free PSN+ month subscription when we find out what exactly we're getting on it, especially when it's hardly free when certain content is taken away upon subscription cancellation.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

They may say they're fighting for free speech and all that jazz but like a few people have been saying, they don't speak for everybody. One group's view of what is right and wrong doesn't match everybody else's. They're not the all encompassing voice of what is right. They're just a random bunch of assholes that like to think they're playing with the big boy government, with their own views. Sounds like any other religious group/politician/cult to me. When people need help regarding a big company like Sony, they'll ask for it. Until then, f**k off, Anonymous.

As for whoever did hack into Sony's network... thanks for temporarily bringing down gaming for... wow, a couple of weeks, and reminding Sony to strengthen their security.

As for Sony, slap on wrist, and I'll thank you for the free PSN+ month subscription when we find out what exactly we're getting on it, especially when it's hardly free when certain content is taken away upon subscription cancellation.

Read this with the word, "baby" at the end of every sentence. It sounds like Austin Powers!

TheCrimsonFenix on 5 May '11 said:

"Who loves ya..."

WHERESMYMONKEY on 5 May '11 said:

If this was anon. All of the details of everyone on PSN would have already been posted in the internet. This doesn't fit thier mo at all. they get the details that whoever generally shouldn't have and then make them public.

They're also the perfect patsey. they're capable, they have a history of being angry with sony and they have no formal structure so any random hacker could be called anon and they couldn't openly say. They're not one of us.

With thousands of members as well. its like saying someone from norwich did it.

Think of all the good anon have done though. They managed to get those hideous vultures blackmailing people with details of torrents they downloaded sued into the stoneage.

They filled youtube with porn

got the head of 4chan voted times most influential person and almost (if they hadn't disqulified him) got gabe newell voted the new face of covergirl in the US.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

If this was anon. All of the details of everyone on PSN would have already been posted in the internet. This doesn't fit thier mo at all. they get the details that whoever generally shouldn't have and then make them public.

They're also the perfect patsey. they're capable, they have a history of being angry with sony and they have no formal structure so any random hacker could be called anon and they couldn't openly say. They're not one of us.

With thousands of members as well. its like saying someone from norwich did it.

Think of all the good anon have done though. They managed to get those hideous vultures blackmailing people with details of torrents they downloaded sued into the stoneage.

They filled youtube with porn

got the head of 4chan voted times most influential person and almost (if they hadn't disqulified him) got gabe newell voted the new face of covergirl in the US.

Also, they were making open threats recently which hasn't done them any favours.

ricflair on 5 May '11 said:

With thousands of members as well. its like saying someone from norwich did it.

So was it, a:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/partridge/wallpaper/watership_alan_640.jpg

or, b:

http://www.personal.barclays.co.uk/PFS/A/Content/Images/delia_smith.gif

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/files/2011/01/witch-hunt.jpg

zombiesinmyhead on 5 May '11 said:

Shirley you mean Mars? Opal Fruits ftw.

YEAH, BITCHES. YOU HEARD ME.

Opal Fruits!? You're trippin man! If I want to think about fruit I'll eat a banana.

Its all about Munchies. End of.

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Shirley you mean Mars? Opal Fruits ftw.

YEAH, BITCHES. YOU HEARD ME.

Opal Fruits!? You're trippin man! If I want to think about fruit I'll eat a banana.

Its all about Munchies. End of.

BEAT ALL

http://popsop.ru/wp-content/uploads/chewits_redesign_03.jpg

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

No matter that it's George Hotz ("GeoHot" - what a narcisist pseudonym), "Anonymous" or "We are Legion" (even worse) or any of you imbecile types, you "fight" for some f**k**g cause we don't even care about.

Lately, 77M users were cut off of their favorite pastime just because some idiot(s) had a grudge against the PSN.

Just like Al Qaeda, you hide like cowards instead of facing your (perceived) enemy dead on. Like Al Qaeda, you don't give a rat's ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process (even when it's your own people, those you're allegedly "fighting" for).

They recently managed to find bin Laden and he was a heck of a lot more organized than you ever will be! So, expect someone to come knocking and put you in a locked cage for a very long time, which is where you belong. That will happen soon enough. And it will happen to those who will follow in your trace. Losers always lose.

Every time cybercriminals or "Hacktivists" get nailed, I relish and enjoy it SO much. No matter what cause you claim to be "fighting" for. You are all pity-full criminals. YOU ARE OF ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE TO US and if you think you're special, guess again: you're so cheap you come a dime a dozen on the Internet.

Imagine that, weak, pathetic four eyes butt ugly losers, probably allergic to their own snut, staring at a computer screen all day, typing code and thinking of themselves as freedom fighters, while in fact they are only hugely compensating for their incredibly small d**ks. Pathetic huh?

There, I got it off my chest. I feel much better

P.S.: Rot in hell Osama bin Laden!

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

No matter that it's George Hotz ("GeoHot" - what a narcisist pseudonym), "Anonymous" or "We are Legion" (even worse) or any of you imbecile types, you "fight" for some f**k**g cause we don't even care about.

Lately, 77M users were cut off of their favorite pastime just because some idiot(s) had a grudge against the PSN.

Just like Al Qaeda, you hide like cowards instead of facing your (perceived) enemy dead on. Like Al Qaeda, you don't give a rat's ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process (even when it's your own people, those you're allegedly "fighting" for).

They recently managed to find bin Laden and he was a heck of a lot more organized than you ever will be! So, expect someone to come knocking and put you in a locked cage for a very long time, which is where you belong. That will happen soon enough. And it will happen to those who will follow in your trace. Losers always lose.

Every time cybercriminals or "Hacktivists" get nailed, I relish and enjoy it SO much. No matter what cause you claim to be "fighting" for. You are all pity-full criminals. YOU ARE OF ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE TO US and if you think you're special, guess again: you're so cheap you come a dime a dozen on the Internet.

Imagine that, weak, pathetic four eyes butt ugly losers, probably allergic to their own snut, staring at a computer screen all day, typing code and thinking of themselves as freedom fighters, while in fact they are only hugely compensating for their incredibly small d**ks. Pathetic huh?

There, I got it off my chest. I feel much better

P.S.: Rot in hell Osama bin Laden!

http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/files/2011/01/witch-hunt.jpg

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

Just like Al Qaeda, you hide like cowards instead of facing your (perceived) enemy dead on. Like Al Qaeda, you don't give a rat's ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process (even when it's your own people, those you're allegedly "fighting" for).

1. Never command a military. Why charge when there are better ways?
2. You think it is only Al Qaeda who doesn't give a rats ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process? Nobody cares about the little guy. The only reasons companies and governments even pretend to care is because it's bad publicity otherwise. Whether the big (conscription to the army) or the small (selling details to third party companies like Facebook do), nobody gives a s**t about you or your rights.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Just like Al Qaeda, you hide like cowards instead of facing your (perceived) enemy dead on. Like Al Qaeda, you don't give a rat's ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process (even when it's your own people, those you're allegedly "fighting" for).

1. Never command a military. Why charge when there are better ways?
2. You think it is only Al Qaeda who doesn't give a rats ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process? Nobody cares about the little guy. The only reasons companies and governments even pretend to care is because it's bad publicity otherwise. Whether the big (conscription to the army) or the small (selling details to third party companies like Facebook do), nobody gives a s**t about you or your rights.

Also, considering that Anonymous cancelled an attack on Amazon at Christmas because they didn't want to affect consumers, the huge generalism here is gross.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

You know where this all began? With GeoHot!

Let's go:
http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/files/2011/01/witch-hunt.jpg

zombiesinmyhead on 5 May '11 said:

You can still get Chewits!

Sign me up for a bubble gum Mr Freeze too.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

You can still get Chewits!

Sign me up for a bubble gum Mr Freeze too.

We used to get bubblegum ice cream many years ago when we still had an ice cream parlour in town. Even had small bits of bubblegum in it.
sniff

(Cue: theme tune to The Littlest Hobo)

TheLastDodo on 5 May '11 said:

I had bubblegum ice cream yesterday .

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

I feel sorry for anybody coming in here without warning. They'll be left thinking we've managed to figure out it was Bin Laden and Professor Plum working with sacked Sony employees that brought PSN down. All because they wanted to buy Chewits, Munchies, Opal Fruits, Mr Freeze Ice Pops and Bubblegum Ice Cream.

meh2allfanboys on 5 May '11 said:

Ok il admit iv bitched about psn been down for so long and iv bitched about inFamous (mainly joking but still but the asswipes who are responsible are anonymous all sony have done in all this is not said much as to when the network will be back up anonymous your slogan should not be we are anonymous it should be we are homosexual you stupid f**king c**ts i hope you get caught get 10 years in the clink and put on the same wing / block as some psycopathic ps3 fan boys who beat the s**t out of you every time they get five minutes alone with one of you queers iv sold my ps3 because of the fear of more and more of these pricks hacking psn anytime they feel like it my girlfriend still owns a ps3 so il just use hers if i feel like it if she aint using it herself if psn is working fine for a while after il get a 320gb ps3 for myself and sony come on at least give us a little hint of when psn will be back up again

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I feel sorry for anybody coming in here without warning. They'll be left thinking we've managed to figure out it was Bin Laden and Professor Plum working with sacked Sony employees that brought PSN down. All because they wanted to buy Chewits, Munchies, Opal Fruits, Mr Freeze Ice Pops and Bubblegum Ice Cream.

That's because they're all in Anonymous. Including Sony. Which clearly attacked itself as the result of a duality of concepts regarding privacy leading to a momentary lapse of sanity.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I had bubblegum ice cream yesterday .

May Anonymous track you down!!!!

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

I heard Steve the Character is involved.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Ok il admit iv bitched about psn been down for so long and iv bitched about inFamous (mainly joking but still but the asswipes who are responsible are anonymous all sony have done in all this is not said much as to when the network will be back up anonymous your slogan should not be we are anonymous it should be we are homosexual you stupid f**king c**ts i hope you get caught get 10 years in the clink and put on the same wing / block as some psycopathic ps3 fan boys who beat the s**t out of you every time they get five minutes alone with one of you queers iv sold my ps3 because of the fear of more and more of these pricks hacking psn anytime they feel like it my girlfriend still owns a ps3 so il just use hers if i feel like it if she aint using it herself if psn is working fine for a while after il get a 320gb ps3 for myself and sony come on at least give us a little hint of when psn will be back up again

http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/files/2011/01/witch-hunt.jpg

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I heard Steve the Character is involved.

I bet he is. in fact, I bet you all are!!!

CRAP!!!! Everyone's in Anonymous accept for me!

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

That's just what a member of Anonymous would want us to think!

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

That's just what a member of Anonymous would want us to think!

That's just what a Anonymous member, employed by Sony, would want everyone to think about the only innocent person in the world!

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

My name is John, there that proves i'm not in Anonymous....

....or am i

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

My name is John, there that proves i'm not in Anonymous....

....or am i

John who? And can we be certain it's your real name?

TheLastDodo on 5 May '11 said:

Let em try, with how much blue colour dye there was in it, I doubt I'll live much longer anyway.

In the possibility of the event of my death, if I have time I'll write a note saying "We are Anonymous, We are Legion" and I'll put in my shirt pocket .

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

I'm a Nonny nonny noo. Or are you?

Random Hangman on 5 May '11 said:

You can still get Chewits!

Sign me up for a bubble gum Mr Freeze too.

We used to get bubblegum ice cream many years ago when we still had an ice cream parlour in town. Even had small bits of bubblegum in it.
sniff

(Cue: theme tune to The Littlest Hobo)

1) Chewitts are even chewier than Barrow In Furness bus depot

2) There's a voice, keeps on callin' me
Down the road, that's where I wanna beeeeeee
Every stop I make, I make a new friend
Can't stay for long, just turn around and I'm gone again
Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

Amazing the crap you remember innit...?

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

We used to get bubblegum ice cream many years ago when we still had an ice cream parlour in town. Even had small bits of bubblegum in it.
sniff

(Cue: theme tune to The Littlest Hobo)

1) Chewitts are even chewier than Barrow In Furness bus depot

2) There's a voice, keeps on callin' me
Down the road, that's where I wanna beeeeeee
Every stop I make, I make a new friend
Can't stay for long, just turn around and I'm gone again
Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

Amazing the crap you remember innit...?

CRAP!!! The Littlest Hobo was awesome. I'll put an Anonymous on you!!!

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

John who? And can we be certain it's your real name?

Just John, it's like Cher and Madonna. And i hope it's real or people have called me the wrong name all these years. Maybe my parents are in Anonymous and just told me that was my name to not make people suspect. They always did enjoy dressing up like Guy Fawkes on bonfire night.

Random Hangman on 5 May '11 said:

CRAP!!! The Littlest Hobo was awesome. I'll put an Anonymous on you!!!

Sorry Dude, I meant that the tune was still in my head after about 20 years. I obviously meant no disrespect to the show, London (the dog who played the littlest hobo) or any other popular 80's television shows.

Phew, glad we diffused that ticking bomb...

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

Also, considering that Anonymous cancelled an attack on Amazon at Christmas because they didn't want to affect consumers, the huge generalism here is gross.

Gee! What do I say to that??? Hum... How noble of them perhaps? No way! Because no matter how much you may want to justify their actions, nothing they do will change anything.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Also, considering that Anonymous cancelled an attack on Amazon at Christmas because they didn't want to affect consumers, the huge generalism here is gross.

Gee! What do I say to that??? Hum... How noble of them perhaps? No way! Because no matter how much you may want to justify their actions, nothing they do will change anything.

Woah! Hang on there, Skippy! I didn't say that justified them. Simply making the point that the precedence established would not fit in with current events. Nobility and justification are for the courts to decide as far as I'm concerned.

Now, have some bubblegum icecream covered in Chewits and listen to The Littlest Hobo theme tune. See how much less tense you are?

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

CRAP!!! The Littlest Hobo was awesome. I'll put an Anonymous on you!!!

Sorry Dude, I meant that the tune was still in my head after about 20 years. I obviously meant no disrespect to the show, London (the dog who played the littlest hobo) or any other popular 80's television shows.

Phew, glad we diffused that ticking bomb...

You got lucky....

So bets on who makes the Anonymous special first:

Family Guy or South Park?

Random Hangman on 5 May '11 said:

@ g_marrs

Starting on Skippy now are we?

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

Possibly South Park, they are usually on the mark. But I'm not sure if this has garnered enough attention (outside of the gaming world) to be on their radar. I've read about it in the papers once or twice, but it will have gone over most peoples heads.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

@ g_marrs

Starting on Skippy now are we?

Well Flipper denies any involvement with the PSN servers but Skippy has yet to release a statement so it must be him.

zombiesinmyhead on 5 May '11 said:

I'm Anonymous and so is my wife!

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

South Park. New series is on tomorrow and they've done many an episode featuring consoles, so they'll know about this. They'll also be a Bin Laden episode soon.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I'm Anonymous and so is my wife!

Will you shut up! I'm trying to listen to Anonymous. Anyone catch that last part?

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

1. Never command a military. Why charge when there are better ways?
2. You think it is only Al Qaeda who doesn't give a rats ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process? Nobody cares about the little guy. The only reasons companies and governments even pretend to care is because it's bad publicity otherwise. Whether the big (conscription to the army) or the small (selling details to third party companies like Facebook do), nobody gives a s**t about you or your rights.

I'm fully aware of the fact that nobody gives a rat's ass about anything these days. But here's the thing:

1 - GeoHot stole intellectual property both from Sony and Apple, those are criminal acts, no matter how you look at it;

2 - Hacktivists do nothing to change anything in a useful way. Whatever they do is cowardly and disruptive to millions;

3 - Cybercriminals are just that: criminals.

As for my rights, I'm fully capable of taking care of it on my own, I don't need an army of freedom fighters.

I'm also painfully aware of the fact that because, as you say, noboby gives a rat's ass, roughly 1/6th of our earth's population (that's one billion people) live in settlements with no water, no electricity or heat, no drainage system, no nothing. And 2/3rd of what's left live under the "poverty line".

Don't you think that hacktivists (if they are a noble as some would like to believe) be better off getting away from their computers and do something about it in the REAL world or at least use those computers for the greater good instead of pulling cheap tricks? I may be just one person, but I do my darn best to help anyway I can. I don't feel a need to become a hacker to do that! And you know what: What I do actually helps; in my own small way!

Just saying.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

1. Never command a military. Why charge when there are better ways?
2. You think it is only Al Qaeda who doesn't give a rats ass about collateral damage and who gets hurt in the process? Nobody cares about the little guy. The only reasons companies and governments even pretend to care is because it's bad publicity otherwise. Whether the big (conscription to the army) or the small (selling details to third party companies like Facebook do), nobody gives a s**t about you or your rights.

I'm fully aware of the fact that nobody gives a rat's ass about anything these days. But here's the thing:

1 - GeoHot stole intellectual property both from Sony and Apple, those are criminal acts, no matter how you look at it;

2 - Hacktivists do nothing to change anything in a useful way. Whatever they do is cowardly and disruptive to millions;

3 - Cybercriminals are just that: criminals.

As for my rights, I'm fully capable of taking care of it on my own, I don't need an army of freedom fighters.

I'm also painfully aware of the fact that because, as you say, noboby gives a rat's ass, roughly 1/6th of our earth's population (that's one billion people) live in settlements with no water, no electricity or heat, no drainage system, no nothing. And 2/3rd of what's left live under the "poverty line".

Don't you think that hacktivists (if they are a noble as some would like to believe) be better off getting away from their computers and do something about it in the REAL world or at least use those computers for the greater good instead of pulling cheap tricks? I may be just one person, but I do my darn best to help anyway I can. I don't feel a need to become a hacker to do that! And you know what: What I do actually helps; in my own small way!

Just saying.

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Now something about "Blessed are the big noses"...

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

Unless you are an idiot you know what you are getting into when you buy a console. People have known for years. You are an idiot if you expected Sony to let people do what they wanted with their PS3's, because it's damn well obvious and you don't need to read the T&C's for that.

What Sony did with Linux was ill-done however, but the s**t that has gone down since then is ridiculous and it is getting out of hand. So maybe you can trace all this back to the removal of OtherOS, but that doesn't make what is happening right.

Don't you think that hacktivists (if they are a noble as some would like to believe) be better off getting away from their computers and do something about it in the REAL world or at least use those computers for the greater good instead of pulling cheap tricks?

Again, I don't condone what Anonymous did (DDoS attacks alone, since they haven't taken the blame for the credit card theft), but hackers can do good. Theoretically. They can get the attention of businesses and the media, and by doing so, raise attention for certain issues. The media is a powerful tool, and they can certainly get media attention.
Fact of the matter is, the media attention they get through DDoS attacks is probably a lot more than they could get away from their computers (concerning privacy).

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

Unless you are an idiot you know what you are getting into when you buy a console. People have known for years. You are an idiot if you expected Sony to let people do what they wanted with their PS3's, because it's damn well obvious and you don't need to read the T&C's for that.

What Sony did with Linux was ill-done however, but the s**t that has gone down since then is ridiculous and it is getting out of hand. So maybe you can trace all this back to the removal of OtherOS, but that doesn't make what is happening right.

Don't you think that hacktivists (if they are a noble as some would like to believe) be better off getting away from their computers and do something about it in the REAL world or at least use those computers for the greater good instead of pulling cheap tricks?

Again, I don't condone what Anonymous did (DDoS attacks alone, since they haven't taken the blame for the credit card theft), but hackers can do good. Theoretically. They can get the attention of businesses and the media, and by doing so, raise attention for certain issues. The media is a powerful tool, and they can certainly get media attention.
Fact of the matter is, the media attention they get through DDoS attacks is probably a lot more than they could get away from their computers (concerning privacy).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8kXsPIEkJZI/RyHrhsITX7I/AAAAAAAAACk/u6UMvzxISUU/s400/aggressive-defensive-pats.jpg

fps_d0minat0r on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

those who decided they wanted to keep linux could at their own will...there was NOTHING at all stopping them from keeping linux.
by upgrading firmware, you accept all the terms and conditions that come with it.....again at your own will, not with a gun by your head.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

those who decided they wanted to keep linux could at their own will...there was NOTHING at all stopping them from keeping linux.
by upgrading firmware, you accept all the terms and conditions that come with it.....again at your own will, not with a gun by your head.

Except, they also bought a system with network access. So either in choosing to upgrade or not they were going to lose one service or the other.

Terms and conditions can impose new constraints clearly. However, the action of non-acceptance of new terms and conditions removing older provision is extremely dubious.

At any rate, let's all have cookies and calm down.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

http://www.calimquim.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/funny-pictures-sad-white-kitten-bambi-mom.jpg

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

Current (and rare) image of Anonymous..

http://the-frat-pack.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/despicable-me-1.jpg

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

We might as well all start posting pictures of our genitalia right now. Random images and a thread that doesn't make sense. We're just a boring 4chan.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

We might as well all start posting pictures of our genitalia right now. Random images and a thread that doesn't make sense. We're just a boring 4chan.

Shush, everyone! almanac2015 is gonna post a pic of his genitals!!!

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

Going to need a monitor with some mighty small pixels....

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Guess he lied. His genitals still seem to be anonymous to us....

Wait a minute!!!!

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Going to need a monitor with some mighty small pixels....

I've got a 27inch Imac and ain't seeing nothing here.

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

We might as well all start posting pictures of our genitalia right now. Random images and a thread that doesn't make sense. We're just a boring 4chan.

Shush, everyone! almanac2015 is gonna post a pic of his genitals!!!

PM'd

What? I'm shy.

boskersrevenge on 5 May '11 said:

I hope you've brought enough for everyone.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

The Hubble crew are on it.

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

If I remember correctly, it's George Hotz who panicked Sony into removing Linux from the PS3. Hotz was using Linux in order to crack the master code and was getting mighty close to succeeding.

I agree with you on this: When Sony saw how threatening Hotz was to its intellectual property, they shouldn't have punished the rest of us by removing Linux (or rather the means to have Linux on the PS3). I was actually using Linux on my PS3 at the time and it sucked big time when I had to 'upgrade' (or should I say downgrade!) When I used Linux, I wasn't up to no good! But if Sony felt they had no other choice than to remove the feature, it should have been Sony's responsibility to give the consumers something big in return to compensate for the loss. They did break their deals with their consumers. That was one of the first of many mistakes Sony made via its PSN.

My first post on this forum was an angry one, granted. Look through the forums on the subject and you'll see I'm not the only one who feels that way. A lot are even angrier than I am at the whole mess. I won't apologize for that.

I just hope it's understood how GeoHot irresponsible actions have done nothing but antagonize 10's of millions of people worldwide. Nothing at all was gained from all this. That was only one person. So imagine the potential for more bulls**t when considering the sheer number of so-called hacktivists who all think exactly like Hotz!

alan666 on 5 May '11 said:

there sure are some stupid posts on here, why don't people get their facts right.

Anonymous did NOT attack Sony at anytime because of the other OS/Linux issue, they started to attack Sony because Sony got the judge in the George Hotz trial to allow all the IP addresses that had visited George Hotz's blog to be passed onto them (Sony) so they could then go after these people, Anonymous has said this from the very start.

if the main person in charge of Anonymous has said they as a group are not responsible then they are not, why won't you believe them over Sony, because Sony has lied on a number of occasions over what happened & also were told months ago that their security wasn't up to date or working as it should.

yes ok maybe there were some Anonymous members working on this themselves, but you actually need to think about it ! here is a example a few months ago a police man was blown up in Northern Ireland by a renegade group of the IRA now the leader of the IRA is Gerry Adams & the police know where he lives but they haven't arrested him over this because it's a splinter group that he has no control or responsibility over these renegade members.

i hope whoever did the hack is caught, but Anonymous are a easy target & i would be surprised if Sony aren't using them as a cover, at the end of the day Sony should have acted on the warnings it was given & updated it's security.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I think it's also fair to say that this began with Sony stealing a service of PS3's it had already sold with the provision of said service, i.e. Linux.

By forcing consumers to upgrade to continue using the other online services provided they were in fact robbing consumers of the linux feature. The current events can be traced back to this one moment I think.

If I remember correctly, it's George Hotz who panicked Sony into removing Linux from the PS3. Hotz was using Linux in order to crack the master code and was getting mighty close to succeeding.

I agree with you on this: When Sony saw how threatening Hotz was to its intellectual property, they shouldn't have punished the rest of us by removing Linux (or rather the means to have Linux on the PS3). I was actually using Linux on my PS3 at the time and it sucked big time when I had to 'upgrade' (or should I say downgrade!) When I used Linux, I wasn't up to no good! But if Sony felt they had no other choice than to remove the feature, it should have been Sony's responsibility to give the consumers something big in return to compensate for the loss. They did break their deals with their consumers. That was one of the first of many mistakes Sony made via its PSN.

My first post on this forum was an angry one, granted. Look through the forums on the subject and you'll see I'm not the only one who feels that way. A lot are even angrier than I am at the whole mess. I won't apologize for that.

I just hope it's understood how GeoHot irresponsible actions have done nothing but antagonize 10's of millions of people worldwide. Nothing at all was gained from all this. That was only one person. So imagine the potential for more bulls**t when considering the sheer number of so-called hacktivists who all think exactly like Hotz!

What has this got to do with almanac's genitalia?! Please stay on subject.

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

Darn those pesky members going off topic.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

:lol: Darn those pesky members going off topic.

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

What has this got to do with almanac's genitalia?! Please stay on subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN3KWFcnZr0

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

What has this got to do with almanac's genitalia?! Please stay on subject.

OK OK... Geez! Almanac2015, unless your genitalia is of the feminine kind (AND noteworthy), would you please stay discreet? Much appreciate thanks.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

What has this got to do with almanac's genitalia?! Please stay on subject.

OK OK... Geez! Almanac2015, unless your genitalia is of the feminine kind (AND noteworthy), would you please stay discreet? Much appreciate thanks.

The Hubble team are as yet unable to confirm on any of this.

PS3 Deb H on 5 May '11 said:

The Hubble team are as yet unable to confirm on any of this.

Thanks Hubble team for that! Take your time, no rush. Man.. I love those scientists just now!

KippDynamite on 5 May '11 said:

This thread is nuts. El Mag - we need some jokes.

Barry316 on 5 May '11 said:

Quick rundown for anybody that can't be bothered going through all this rubbish. g_marrs came in spouting his usual ABS (anyone but sony) routine. Got one reply completely confused while in his rage induced rant mode. Was made to look foolish. Then spent the rest of the afternoon in multiple stories trying to make himself look like he actually has a sense of humour.

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

This thread is nuts. El Mag - we need some jokes.

I tried but i got branded a Sony lover even though my favourite game and console were made by Sega

Oh crap, my loyalty is showing *zips fly up*

solamon77 on 5 May '11 said:

I've been around a long enough time to realize that being truly Anonymous on the internet is usually just an illusion. Everything any of us does leaves a trail.

I wonder if the "leaders" of Anonymous realizes that under the RICO laws of the USA (the laws used to dismantle the Mafia and other criminal organizations), they are now just as guilty as the actual conspirators.

KippDynamite on 5 May '11 said:

Quick rundown for anybody that can't be bothered going through all this rubbish. g_marrs came in spouting his usual ABS (anyone but sony) routine. Got one reply completely confused while in his rage induced rant mode. Was made to look foolish. Then spent the rest of the afternoon in multiple stories trying to make himself look like he actually has a sense of humour.

This is both accurate and brilliant.

Got nosy and checked - in the past 8 1/2 years he has made 780 posts, and 70 were made today with 39 in this thread.

I feel a little dirty now, like I stole someone's personal information.

almanac2015 on 5 May '11 said:

I just want to be loved!

Clearly.

I wonder if the "leaders" of Anonymous realizes that under the RICO laws of the USA...

The RICO laws apply if the leaders influenced them (such as ordering or helping out) don't they? So if the leaders (if there are leaders) of Anonymous didn't influence them, they wouldn't be prosecuted surely?

djreplay on 5 May '11 said:

This thread is nuts. El Mag - we need some jokes.

What do Disney World and Viagra have in common? They both require you to stand around for an hour to go on a 2 minute ride!

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Quick rundown for anybody that can't be bothered going through all this rubbish. g_marrs came in spouting his usual ABS (anyone but sony) routine. Got one reply completely confused while in his rage induced rant mode. Was made to look foolish. Then spent the rest of the afternoon in multiple stories trying to make himself look like he actually has a sense of humour.

This is both accurate and brilliant.

Got nosy and checked - in the past 8 1/2 years he has made 780 posts, and 70 were made today with 39 in this thread.

I feel a little dirty now, like I stole someone's personal information.

This is both inaccurate and illiterate. I simply haven't posted for ages until about a month ago because nothing overly interesting was going on. Also, check my posts throughout a number of threads, all on the same topic, and you'll see my common argument is that people are accepting an international corporation as sole purveyors of truth and claiming Anonymous are guilty. The FBI haven't even established that yet.

My stance is as always That any of them are guilty however since no one else is considering the other established news story regarding disgruntled Sony employees from that division, there are other alternatives. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, children. But if no one else is gonna do it I'll play devil's advocate.

Didn't get any post wrong. Established that fact successfully. Since, however, the fanatics are getting aggressive on here though, I'm gonna have fun to dismiss a growing pool of witch-hunting.

You seem to want a black and white approach. This whole thing has become ludicrous and I'm afraid I'm not gonna be goaded by you into taking up sides, no matter what you want to believe. Particularly, since I made no rage-induced rant mode posts. I've have calmly stated the alternatives. However, at the minute this site has too many members who just don't want to consider anything other than a corporation's line without getting angry and abusive.

So there's no point rationally debating this since everyone is getting too edgy. The only thing to do in this instance is have fun.

On a personal note, I think you for your interest but the stalking is a little creepy now.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

This thread is nuts. El Mag - we need some jokes.

I tried but i got branded a Sony lover even though my favourite game and console were made by Sega

Oh crap, my loyalty is showing *zips fly up*

You tell jokes?

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

You tell jokes?

Depends who's asking. If you're the police then no i was in all night watching tele.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

You tell jokes?

Depends who's asking. If you're the police then no i was in all night watching tele.

I'll cover only if your favourite Sega console was Dreamcast.

Barca Azul on 5 May '11 said:

Directly or inderctly they caused this mess though.

Get off your righteous high horses and stop spouting BS about doing it for the people, as there are now 77M really annoyed people no thanks to them!

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Depends who's asking. If you're the police then no i was in all night watching tele.

I'll cover only if your favourite Sega console was Dreamcast.

It was and the game is Shenmue. Shhhh, it's just between us right.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Directly or inderctly they caused this mess though.

Get off your righteous high horses and stop spouting BS about doing it for the people, as there are now 77M really annoyed people no thanks to them!

Oh thank God. The FBI were struggling to get the evidence. Good to know you've discovered it. Hang on...

FBI ask could you tell them on the forum what the evidence is to save them a trip to your house.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

I'll cover only if your favourite Sega console was Dreamcast.

It was and the game is Shenmue. Shhhh, it's just between us right.

Man, we shouldn't be arguing.

...

Have you been reading my diary!!!

El Mag on 5 May '11 said:

Man, we shouldn't be arguing.

...

Have you been reading my diary!!!

Anybody that's a fan of Shenmue i consider to be family.

I didn't agree with you getting called though, it was just crossed wires and it was sorted 5 minutes after. I know better to argue with people's opinions, my girlfriend called Shenmue boring once and i tried arguing...she won...i stopped arguing.

g_marrs on 5 May '11 said:

Man, we shouldn't be arguing.

...

Have you been reading my diary!!!

Anybody that's a fan of Shenmue i consider to be family.

I didn't agree with you getting called though, it was just crossed wires and it was sorted 5 minutes after. I know better to argue with people's opinions, my girlfriend called Shenmue boring once and i tried arguing...she won...i stopped arguing.

Fair enough, dude. Too much of this story now. Everyone is getting uptight over it.

KippDynamite on 6 May '11 said:

So . . . you're saying . . . I can't read?

Just kidding buddy. I don't have anything against you and actually agree with a lot of what you have said about this whole series of stories. I think we all just need to sit back and take in the whole story when we have the information.

g_marrs on 6 May '11 said:

So . . . you're saying . . . I can't read?

Just kidding buddy. I don't have anything against you and actually agree with a lot of what you have said about this whole series of stories. I think we all just need to sit back and take in the whole story when we have the information.

The problem is that this story has become so inflammatory and people are now so on edge that no one can say anything reasonable without it beginning a flame war. It's going to create enemies for threads to come and personally, I think CVG needs to stop the stories until the concrete findings come out.

Balladeer on 6 May '11 said:

Are you kidding? CVG love flame wars! It's how they get most of their traffic.

gfanuk on 6 May '11 said:

I can't believe the amount of posts this is getting! It's Friday afternoon, lets all just go down the pub?
While I never really used the PSN, I do miss not having the option anymore.

g_marrs on 6 May '11 said:

Are you kidding? CVG love flame wars! It's how they get most of their traffic.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3Ep3B3IkC5E/TaByKxoPA7I/AAAAAAAABU4/DximpmvTVC0/s400/tomb-commonsense.jpg

gmcb007 on 6 May '11 said:

In other news: Billy Joel denies arson.

g_marrs on 6 May '11 said:

In other news: Billy Joel denies arson.

So you're saying he didn't deny hacking into Sony's PSN, eh?

gmcb007 on 6 May '11 said:

In other news: Billy Joel denies arson.

So you're saying he didn't deny hacking into Sony's PSN, eh?

Hmmm that piano playing bastard!