Now, we thought the changes Konami made to PES 2011 were all good steps if the developer wanted to begin what would be a long walk to Simulation City (or Sim City, oh no wait), but most of us would admit that given the choice we'd rather see the series revert to days of old rather than move to pastures new.
EA Sports has the footy sim genre well and truly conquered with FIFA 11 but that's not where Pro Evo's strength ever was, and if Konami realises that then there's still everything to play for.
Pro Evo's always been the spectacular sibling, the one with the goal-mouth scrambles and 30 yard screamers, the one you play with a load of mates and a beer. We'd rather have something closer to PES 4 and PES 5 than PES 2011 + 1.
It seems like a pipe dream though if we're honest. Our hope was momentarily reignited when we saw PES 3D for the first time on Ninty's new handheld. It was unmistakably modelled on that classic PES engine rather than the new one we saw last year and we loved it.
With a press release for the new game, earlier this week, talking about "a truly realistic and immersive" game, however, we think we'll be heading towards sim aspirations once again.
Fast, frantic action that's easy to pick up and difficult to master. That's what Pro Evolution Soccer is all about, we just hope this hasn't been forgotten.
WITH BETTER GRAPHICS
Of course we don't just want PES 5 shoved in a box with 2012 scratched on to it though, that would be all kinds of cheeky, but it's possible to bring those classic principles and that special feel up to date with little more than a lick of paint and some polish.
We were really impressed with a lot of what PES 2011 beamed into our eyes last year and we'll happily say that some of the player likenesses, when it came to the big boys, surpassed those of table leader FIFA.
PES 2011 also did a good job when it came to lighting the pitch, which made a big difference in terms of making your 11 men look more solid and authentic. So Konami's already moving in the right direction in terms of graphics, we just need them to be brought up to date and wrapped around the kind of game we want to play.
The overriding hope for PES 2012, then? Old philosophy, new graphics. Bingo.