Sony Computer Entertainment is not only sticking to its guns on its predicted ten-year life-cycle for PS3 - it's told CVG that it sees a decade as the minimum lifespan of its current home console.
That's according to SCE Europe boss Andrew House, who said last week that Sony's just-hit 50 million units sold milestone is "just the start" for the console.
"What we've said many times before and we're confident about is we launched a device that is very, very powerful, that has a whole range of possibilities and that's at the very least a ten-year life-cycle. I know I'm guilty of repeating myself but I think it's always worth pointing out we're still selling PlayStation 2 in its millions around the world, 11 years after it was launched.
"That's different markets and a different profile of consumers but there's still some vibrant demand. That for me bodes extremely well for where the potential of PS3 will go."
Microsoft has recently been rumoured to be prepping plans for its next-generation console already - and last night it was reported the Xbox firm could show its hand as early as next year's E3. On whether it's the right time for Microsoft to succeed its console, the SCEE boss replied, "I think that's a question for Microsoft to address rather than us."
He added: "We've announced that we've hit a significant milestone with 50 million units sold worldwide, but I really do believe that that's just the start."
In the same interview Andrew House said Sony 'knows cross-game chat is a huge thing'.
Comments
62 comments so far...
Barca Azul on 15 Jun '11 said:
I can wait, I really feel that this gen still has a lot to offer.
Nintendo haven't shown me I'm missing anything yet, and could take them a while I think. MS are the ones left wondering what to do and I'm guessing that's more to disc space than processor power. Digital still doesn't look appealing and less so with all the hacks.
Oh and cross game chat with PS4 is also fine for me.
shiwayb on 15 Jun '11 said:
Yh but that dosent mean PS4 cant be out alongside it.
Agent75 on 15 Jun '11 said:
Wii U announced, Xbox 720 is knocking on the door, Sony wants to sell a lot more PS3 consoles, so it's not going to say much about PS4 at the moment. The PS1 and PS2 never really had any competition and both went on to sell over 100 million (PS2 around 150 million to date). Different story with the PS3, which has ended up in third place (a massive blow for Sony). The PS3 tech has been transferred over the the PS Vita, so the PS3 will live on as a handheld whilst the PS4 takes PS3s place. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Trust me.
LkS on 15 Jun '11 said:
5 more years of that junk from 2005? The world has moved on. In 5 years we will probably have mobile phone type devices several times more powerful.
EvilDog77 on 15 Jun '11 said:
There's no way in hell that any console generation will last 10 years as long as the PC is out there. In another 5 years, PC graphics will be so ahead of the consoles it'll be like having a PS3 out in the same market as the C64.
Athrun888 on 15 Jun '11 said:
I give Sony two years tops before they announce the PS4, though I don't think the next gen is going to be a really substantial upgrade on this one for reasons I can't be stuffed typing right now.
jonbwfc on 15 Jun '11 said:
PS 1 - launched in Japan December 3 1994. Ceased production March 23rd 2006.
PS 2 - launched in Japan March 4 2000. Still on sale in many parts of the world.
Of course the PS3 is going to last 10 years. Every previous generation has. Doesn't mean it has to last 10 years in every market throughout the world, does it?
Small minded, really, some of you are.
Gaseous Snake on 15 Jun '11 said:
I've got no problem with this, as long as we don't see a humongous jump in computer power (if we get quantum computing working, for example). Maybe an upgrade like Microsoft is reportedly planning (PS3.5, maybe), but I'm fine the way it is. Also, I'm not planning on buying another generation of console (I'll either get a PC or quit gaming), so this is the best decision for me.
almanac2015 on 15 Jun '11 said:
Sony release the PS4 within two years. Sony then support the Ps3 for a small amount of time, as will a number of other developers because:
*New console no doubt means more expensive development
*The PS3 has a decent-sized fanbase
Which means the PS3 will last for 10 years but the PS4 will be out before then. It's not exactly going to be a shock when it happens. People will be picking up cheap PS3's when the PS4 is out (just as I'll no doubt purchase a cheap 360, just like I picked up a cheap Xbox before).
Cogglesz on 15 Jun '11 said:
No chance will it last 10 years as Sony's leading home console, tons of jaggies, massive drops in framerate and having to install most games which prevents me from building up a big games library like my old 360 library, would be fine if it was optional, the PS3 feels fairly dated now a days along with the 360 in my opinion, my switch to PC gaming really made me realize how much upscaling and fake hd resolutions are in console games today, cost the same as my ps3 (around 300) to build so the price didn't put me off, i still enjoy my PS3 i can live with the jaggies fine but its the performance thats annoying me with the ps3, i'm ready to buy a PS4 already all games should be atleast 50fps with little notices in frame rate, for example in GT5 you can spend plenty of extra time because of drops in frame rate slowing down the timer, its already time for the next gen in my opinion.
Very_Silver_Ownz on 15 Jun '11 said:
My comment has been removed. Please check and try again.
farmer_boy on 15 Jun '11 said:
Jesus Christ you PC people love to point out that you can upgrade every year, yet what makes you upgrade when the games don't even push the ps3, let alone a PC, PS3 will easily be around for 10 a ten year life and the 360 will even have a 7/8 year life.
TOKEN on 15 Jun '11 said:
1)yes i believe 10+ ps2 still selling.
2)they are gonna want people to buy ps3 so hush on ps4.
3)ps4 2/3 years.
pc gaming will die or be less at next gen consoles.
FlacidDonkeyGuy on 15 Jun '11 said:
Erm I beg your pardon "games don't even push the ps3" I would like to see a PS3 run this old 2007 PC game called Crysis. Or even a game at full 1080p at 60fps (and no GT5 don't run at true 1080p).
kirankara on 15 Jun '11 said:
Been tempted to go into pc gaming , but then I see posts in forums with people complaining about people using hacks in games to cheat and ruin games completely, and think I just can't be bothered.
Really not overly fussed about the next gen just yet, as we just get same games churned out with flashier graphics. The games we have are nice looking, and a real Jump needs to be available before I go next gen. I see bf3 on pc and think wow looks great , but will I enjoy it any more with those flashier graphics , than on my ps3?, not at all. I'm happy to wait another year or two for next gen.
All the graphic whores , should just go buy a pc and join some of the smug t***s that spend thread after thread discussing their graphics card.
cooloneuk on 15 Jun '11 said:
It makes perfect sense if you think about it. There's so much potential the current generation have, and with all 3 major companies enjoying a huge commercial success, it would be fruitless to move on so soon.
At the moment our HDTV's have a resolution of upto 1080p. Even though PC gamers keep insisting the consoles are lagging behind in terms of graphics, etc, they forget that PC Monitors have resolutions 2-3 times higher at least as HDTVs so even having console matching processing power as PCs cannot produce the same graphics due to the restrictions of the TV.
Our current generation consoles (Xbox360/PS3/WiiU) can produce games at the 1080p resolution and any next generation console will not show any marked improvement graphically.
Having said that I don't see any major improvements on future generation console for another 15-20 years. First of all is the optical disc. There is a new format in development called the HVD. The first should be commercially available by around 2018 with a capacity of around 500GB with the format having the potential of storing upto 6TB. Secondly is the development of the UHDTVs with the resolution of 4320p due out by 2025.
NoobDefence on 15 Jun '11 said:
Oh noes! RIP PC Gaming
..but wait didn't it die already at the start of this generation? Or was it last? oh it's "died" so many times now I just can't keep up. I enjoy the luxeries of both PC & console gaming and I've yet to see a console that makes my PC completely irrelevant. I don't know how many times you guys have to be told we don't need conventional game stores anymore hence no massive presence.
YCshinobi on 15 Jun '11 said:
PS4 will be out by 2015 I guarantee.
RustySpoon80 on 15 Jun '11 said:
That game is called Wipeout HD, came out a few years ago.
Why do PC gamers want consoles as powerful as a top of the range PC, surely that would render 'your' PC obsolete. I'd rather spend £300-£400 on a console that last 7-10 years and can play all the games rather than pay £2000+ and have to upgrade every year.
infernoxXx on 15 Jun '11 said:
only a few years until smartphones will be faster looking at how fast the tech is advancing there.
Beebop10 on 15 Jun '11 said:
Don't know where you get the idea that PC gaming is full of hacks . Online admins are pretty good at spotting cheaters and perma banning them, in the games I've played . Most popular games are pretty hack free in my experience.
Darkwun on 15 Jun '11 said:
i think it'll have a long life, but wont match the dizzying heights pf ps1 or ps2, but ten years seems like an accurate number
its the only console i currently havent got and im in a sit and wait position at the moment on whether i get this or the wii u first. either way, i will get it it, even if its yeaaaars after like i did with the ps2 so i can get the exclusive games ive drooled over but never been able to afford with multiple consoles *sigh* i ALMOST miss the days of most people having one console... all these exclusives are making me broke :'(
Zero_Cool on 15 Jun '11 said:
£2000? I don't think so, you can buy a PC for £500 and it'll put both the 360/PS3 to shame in both resolutions and graphics.
Also, you need to get your head out of the 90's as you don't need to upgrade your card every year, what nonsense.
The PC is the best platform out there. Consoles only offer a baseline experience, on the PC the game is the best it can be. Period.
The days of me buying a console after experiencing the delights of the PC are over.
kimoak on 15 Jun '11 said:
2 grand and an upgrade every year? People still believe that myth?!? You can shell out a quarter of that to have a excellent PC setup. I know, I built my own for £500 and not a single game pushes it. Everything cranked up detail-wise Had it for 7 months now and there is no reason whatsoever to upgrade. It will be a few years before I may want to do that and then, it won't be a necessity.
Headsrinker on 15 Jun '11 said:
Just because they say its cycle will last 10 years minimum doesn't mean a PS4 wont be released in another 2 years. PS2 must have been 6 years into its cycle when the PS3 was released (if its now 11 years old and still selling in some parts of the world). I expect the PS4 to arrive 6 months to a year after the next Xbox. They will annouce its specs on the eve of the Xbox release to p**s on its parade.
kimoak on 15 Jun '11 said:
@Zero_Cool
Got in there before me.
Very_Silver_Ownz on 15 Jun '11 said:
No one wants to bother with a PC when they can get a 360/PS3 and easily play.
Believe it or not I know people who payed PC World for putting their harddrives in for them in their console because they didn't know how.
almanac2015 on 15 Jun '11 said:
I want to bother with a PC. Have wanted to for ages. Only thing that has stopped me is that I am awful at FPS games on PC. I'm left handed, but used to using the computer right handed. So I don't quite have the accuracy for online FPS games on PC with my right.
Still going to get one though.
I disagree. Cheaper games and some brilliant mods. PC gaming has its advantages. And the benefit of consoles as powerful as PC's is that games won't be held back due to the limitations of consoles.
NSFTM on 15 Jun '11 said:
the thing i like most about PC gaming is having to spend £300 a year upgrading it to play the latest first person shooter... which is typical becuase it takes me about a year to get the F'ing hardware working properly...
Headsrinker on 15 Jun '11 said:
Zero_Cool
The days of me buying a console after experiencing the delights of the PC are over.
I know exactly what you mean, but be careful. You will be called a PC snob if you state how brilliant games look compared to consoles. Console wars are fine on here, but just dont bring the PC into it because no one can argue that its miles ahead of anything else.
infernoxXx on 15 Jun '11 said:
learn your facts first before making claims. pc gamers want consoles as powerful as a top of the range PC so you guys with no clue about hardware can find out how behind the consoles are. anyone who has bought/built a gaming pc in the last 3 years hasnt had to 'upgrade every year' and it didnt cost them £2000+ to build/buy in the first place, around £700-800. atm you could build a great gaming pc for around £600 that wont need an upgrade for at least 3-4 years. consoles no doubt have more expensive games aswell, whereas we have steam sales (not only steam, plenty of other digital distribution companies around with good sales aswell) where you can get games 70%+ off. dont forget about the amount of indie games and mods on the pc either.
Noobsaibot on 15 Jun '11 said:
You do realize that PS3 hardware sales worldwide have recently overtaken Xbox 360's, right? As for the story, I'm predicting a new Xbox to launch by Q4 2012 but it wont be that big a tech leap. Should that happen, I can see Sony aiming for 2013 (14 at the latest). That's still a good 7 years of PS3 action we'll have had.
kirankara on 15 Jun '11 said:
All I know is I'm not paying £600 quid to play games on anything, and neither will majority of population, and this along with the fact that consoles are overall much more simplistic an experience , mean pc gaming will remain smaller than console gaming.
I've contemplated pc gaming, and then decided I really can't be bothered at end of it. Maybe in future I'll look into it again, but I guess I'm getting old, and as much as I like new improved graphics, it really doesn't seem the be all and end all anymore. I'm quite happy for now with what I've got, and wait bit longer the next gen.
cooloneuk on 15 Jun '11 said:
I must beg to differ with you. Consoles are more than just baseline experience and I haven't seen anything I can do on a pc that I can't do on an Xbox360/PS3.
Oh before you start going on about me being a so-called fanboy, I'm far from it. I've got 2 pcs as well as my Xbox360 and although the graphics are out of this world on pc, I still prefer to enjoy playing my consoles in the comfort of my soft leather sofa in front of a large screen tv.
silly fossil on 15 Jun '11 said:
"2 grand and an upgrade every year? People still believe that myth?!? You can shell out a quarter of that to have a excellent PC setup. I know, I built my own for £500 and not a single game pushes it. Everything cranked up detail-wise Had it for 7 months now and there is no reason whatsoever to upgrade. It will be a few years before I may want to do that and then, it won't be a necessity."
so basically what you're saying is that it costs slightly more than a console and lasts slightly longer...
Look I have no problem with PC gaming. It's great for some genres of game. But please let's be reasonable: in the end al tech becomes obsolete pretty quickly. There is no advantage to playing on a PC unless you are willing to upgrade frequently, pay extra for a high-end graphics card, or build your own from high quality parts (and repeat every few years). These are all very admirable options, but not all people will find them worthwhile.
liveswired on 15 Jun '11 said:
This gen has plenty of life left in it. I hope we'll see another 3 years out of the ps3 before a newcomer.
Padua on 15 Jun '11 said:
PS2 too ... that sucker is never going to stop selling
Headsrinker on 15 Jun '11 said:
cooloneuk
I must beg to differ with you. Consoles are more than just baseline experience and I haven't seen anything I can do on a pc that I can't do on an Xbox360/PS3.
Oh before you start going on about me being a so-called fanboy, I'm far from it. I've got 2 pcs as well as my Xbox360 and although the graphics are out of this world on pc, I still prefer to enjoy playing my consoles in the comfort of my soft leather sofa in front of a large screen tv.
I get what your saying, but your comment contradicts itself. 'I haven't seen anything i can do on a PC that i cant do on an Xbox360/PS3', followed by 'although the graphics are out of this world on pc'. So you have seen something that you can do on PC that xbox/PS3 cant match. Unless your pc's are years old, every game you play will look a great deal better than any console.
This is not what this topic is about anyway, PS4 will arrive in 2013, PS3 will still be sold past its 10th birthday. Everybodies happy.
cooloneuk on 15 Jun '11 said:
I didn't contradict myself. Better graphics doesn't mean I can't play the same game on a console I can play on a pc. It's just lower level of graphics. You completely missed my point. I'm talking playability, function, online multiplayer, ability to chat ingame, etc, etc. Not how it can make the graphics more "realistic".
FlacidDonkeyGuy on 15 Jun '11 said:
I am hopeful that at some point the console fanatics will come to realise, this fact that I too have only through expenditure and age have realised. This is key, console gaming is not cheaper if you are what is considered to be a “gamer”. If you buy between 12-14 games per year & pay a XBL subscription each year. Over time you will, have spent more than buying a PC (£1,300) and getting a second card four years on (at around £100).
Never mind that you subdiside American console gamers........
Headsrinker on 15 Jun '11 said:
cooloneuk
I didn't contradict myself. Better graphics doesn't mean I can't play the same game on a console I can play on a pc. It's just lower level of graphics. You completely missed my point. I'm talking playability, function, online multiplayer, ability to chat ingame, etc, etc. Not how it can make the graphics more "realistic".
oh ok. Well it depends what games you play to be honest. Most games are developed across ps3/xbox/pc, so of course the only difference will be the graphics are better on the pc. There the same games.
jim2wheels on 16 Jun '11 said:
How did this turn into a "PC's have a nicer pair of knockers, and always will" thread? Honestly...
This subject has been done to death already. The next gen will overlap before 10 years - end of. Let's all zip our peckers up and move on.
Barca Azul on 16 Jun '11 said:
My SoaB laptop won't install SP1 for windows 7! I've tried everything and still no joy.
It will probably run most current games mind, but I can't be bothered with it. I'd like the new settlers game, but I'd rather they released it on the console!
Headsrinker on 16 Jun '11 said:
jim2wheels
How did this turn into a "PC's have a nicer pair of knockers, and always will" thread? Honestly...
This subject has been done to death already. The next gen will overlap before 10 years - end of. Let's all zip our peckers up and move on.
HAHA, i like.
julioaragon on 16 Jun '11 said:
u pointed out some great facts..the ps3 was suppose to be this powerful console and the only difference between the 360 and ps3 is the blueray,they both have great graphics ,and of course psn is struggling just to keep up with xboxlive,both consoles have the same number of great exclusives...the 360 has at least 4 more years,so its good that they start early it will stay ahead of the competition..ps3 has at least 4 more years in it ..in 5 years digital hd download and streaming will take over no more blueray and very little dvd selling will happen
julioaragon on 16 Jun '11 said:
your right worldwide outside of the u.s. u mean..the ps3 is struggling here in the states,they messed up with the addition of the blueray the console was and still is too pricy here..here people r more picky with there money as to gaming a reg xbox here is 150 dollars,a ps3 is 300? a wii is 150..get the point..
both consoles have 4 years left..
wasted-again on 16 Jun '11 said:
So true, games like; Red Dead Redemption, Fable3, Gears of War2, Metal Gear Solid4, Little big Planet, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Okami and Epic Mickey are soo much better on PC. Why would any serious video gamer want to bother with consoles?
LordVonPS3 on 16 Jun '11 said:
What this statement really means is:-
* PS4 will only be introduced once the PS3, PSN, etc - is in a position to help subsidize its costs.
* PS4 technology will be at retail in the next 2 - 4 years, ahead of Wii 3 - but Sony is keeping an eye on the competition.
* PS4 will be considerably expensive, around £200 more expensive than whatever the PS3 is at that time.
JustinSaneV2 on 16 Jun '11 said:
Most games are not native 1080p. They are usually 720p or lower and are upscaled to 1080p.
There's is plenty of room for improvements that console manufacturers could implement today. They can add memory, update to a more current video card technology, upgrade to Blu-Ray (Xbox) or an alternative storage medium of equal volume (i.e. Nintendo's Wii U), add faster and more powerful processors, etc. Saying that there is nothing that will be able to improve consoles for another 15-20 years is just being foolish and ignorant.
jim2wheels on 16 Jun '11 said:
@JustinSaneV2
You have completely misunderstood what Cooloneuk was saying.
He said "can" not "most" with regards to 1080p.
And he was suggesting no major innovative hardware upgrades. I'm pretty sure he knows that processors,memory and the rest will upgrade over time. Every man and his dog knows that.
Read what you are commenting on before steaming in and calling him ignorant and foolish, it makes you look a right tool.
Weezer on 16 Jun '11 said:
PS3 might last ten years for Sony; it sure as f**k won't for me.
gillri on 16 Jun '11 said:
well it wont be, in terms of tech yes, but developers tend not to make for PC exlcusvie anymore so all PC's get it cleaner sharper looking versions of console games
in fact PC 's tech is insanely under utilised compared to consoles
krazykunal85 on 16 Jun '11 said:
That is true.... PSone and PS2 were out along side each other and so was PS2 and PS3.
To me I wouldn't mind seeing PS4 realeased next year but just as long as they don't change the name to something f*cked up like the Vita!
fonjackerjon on 16 Jun '11 said:
For gods sake wake up PC gamers! noone wants to spend £1000 on a gaming pc when the ONLY major difference is better framerate and no screen tearing. There is NOT ONE PC game that looks leaps and bounds better than a xbox or PS3 game (maybe very slightly) but not enough. There is not enough of a graphical leap to justify new consoles, until there is leave the PS3 and xbox 360 alone we dont need new consoles. PC gaming will never be as popular its complicated and too expensive. I was a PC gamer then i relised p**sing money down the drain every few months to upgrade my PC wasnt a very wise move.
almanac2015 on 16 Jun '11 said:
The world isn't the US though...Sony will be more interested in worldwide sales than US sales. Lower US sales just means Sony is doing better in Japan and Europe.
Oh please. You can build a brilliant gaming PC for £600. What the f**k is it with people quoting ridiculous prices for a gaming PC?
jim2wheels on 17 Jun '11 said:
@Almanac2015
Well, so far the cost for a good gaming rig (according to all the pro pc gamers arguing on this thread) has ranged from £300 to £750, not including any potential upgrades I might add.
Make what you will of that.
julioaragon on 17 Jun '11 said:
the world should be the u.s. its superior to alot of things compared to the other countries,i didnt say everything,mostly... but it does have its flaws .sony is from japan so its doin better there,and microsoft is a u.s. based company so its doin great here, europe its a split both are doin just as well..
wasted-again on 17 Jun '11 said:
It's the two faced nature of the PC fanboy, on the one hand you have them boasting about the price they paid for their latest state of the art CPU/Graphics card/MOBO/RAM(often in the £thousands), yet then, when defending the PC, they'll state how you can buy a brilliant gaming PC for peanuts. I just got told on another thread that my 3 year old £700 gaming PC is now a piece of crap.
Makes you wonder how long that £300 PC will last.
jim2wheels on 17 Jun '11 said:
Flag waving t**t.
El Mag on 17 Jun '11 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw
jtthegame on 18 Jun '11 said:
I can see both the 360 and ps 3 lasting a while yet because there is no need to upgrade. you can't tell me you look at something like dead space 2 and LA noire and Think the graphics are not good enough and we need a upgraded console. if you do then there is something wrong with you.
eye.of.despair on 22 Jun '11 said:
I think ive grown up a bit.. coz i seem to find myself hating statements like these... rite now i cant say for sure wtf is gonna happen tomorrow and they are predicting s**ts gonna last for 10 years.. WOW.. This is coming from a company whose homeland just got hit by a massive earthquake not so long ago.. LIVE AND LEARN.. PLZ.. LEARN