PlayStation 4's early technical specifications are looking "more powerful" than those of Microsoft's next-generation Xbox targets, according to PSM3's development sources.
PSM3's sister mag, Xbox World, publishes a similar source-digging next-gen special in its issue out on the same day, claiming that the next Xbox will ship in late 2013 with a PowerPC-based processor from IBM and 'Kinect 2.0' out of the box.
The latter matches up with previous reports, and according to Xbox World it's one reason PS4's looking like it might outperform 360's successor in the processing department.
With its next console Microsoft is looking to focus on "utility and innovation," the report says.
The latest rumour reports arrive hours after MCV's claims that both PS4 and Xbox 720 will be shown at this year's E3.
According to the trade mag, Sony and Microsoft have both indicated to third-parties that they'll be showing off their next-generation machines at the Los Angeles show, spoiling Nintendo's Wii U re-reveal in the process.
Read the full PS4 story in PSM3, on sale 11 January, where you'll also find a world-first review of Soulcalibur V, an in-depth look at Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, plus 20 essential tips on how to squeeze more from your PS3.
For insider knowledge on the next Xbox, read the complete story in Xbox World, where there's also an exclusive hands on with Mass Effect 3's single player campaign and an epic feature on the most beautiful, hard-to-find places in Skyrim. It's on sale 11 January.
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Comments
61 comments so far...
spr1ngbock on 6 Jan '12 said:
So unknown PS4 specs are more powerful then Unknown Xbox 720 specs? Wow, thats quite the scoop. In related news, weather forcasters worldwide are reporting that there will be weather soon. When we will see this weather, they can't say for sure but it will probably come at some stage.
STE MO on 6 Jan '12 said:
But isn't the PS3 more powerful then the 360 and yet there is very little to no difference in the performance of titles. It's not what's in the box it's what you do with it, so my friend keeps telling me.
StonecoldMC on 6 Jan '12 said:
So how many jobs will we need to have to buy a PS4 then
?
shellster2 on 6 Jan '12 said:
oh it's definitely better to be 'in the box'
benedictm on 6 Jan '12 said:
i know you need to fill pages but jeez
a playstation magazine saying a unannounced future playstation console will have better specs than a unannounced futre microsoft console?
Maybe the guys who work at PSM should try some phone hacking for real information
Codename4p on 6 Jan '12 said:
So once again? Some Unknown Source, knows the specs to both the unknown to be in the works Playstation 4 and Xbox 720 (terrible name)? So where did this unknown source get his unknown information, its like Pat Robinson saying he knows who the next president of the united states will be because "GOD" spoke to him and told him it ain't Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrX5sFMedw
TheLastDodo on 6 Jan '12 said:
Playstation mag in bigging up next Playstation console over the competition shocker.
Didn't see that one coming
I'm sure we'll still end up with a ten page fanboy comment war then we'll do it all again next week when an Xbox or Ninty mag makes the same claim in their respective mags.
#Pre-diddly-ictable
StonecoldMC on 6 Jan '12 said:
These Sources are brilliant arent they.
I wonder who they are?
Employees of said companies no doubt?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lb2-pxJA_XE/StjhNBDi4HI/AAAAAAAAAJo/gZlZ9lcknEU/s400/idea.jpg
A haa
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bamozzy on 6 Jan '12 said:
I believe that was also said about the PS3 and 360....
TheCrimsonFenix on 6 Jan '12 said:
Whenever I see this sort of "news" article, I take it as a sign to stop using CVG for a week or two. More articles like this that are the only thing that'll keep the hits coming with the lack of real news.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 6 Jan '12 said:
You'll only need one job; Monarch, it's the only way you'll be able to afford it.
TheCrimsonFenix on 6 Jan '12 said:
How many Steves does it take to get an Apple?
monty_79 on 6 Jan '12 said:
All depends on how much diciplin was installed in you when you bought the PS3
Sentinator on 6 Jan '12 said:
"With its next console Microsoft is looking to focus on "utility and innovation," the report says."
So its aiming at the casuals then?
voodoo341 on 6 Jan '12 said:
Lets hope they aim at being reliable this time.
ricflair on 6 Jan '12 said:
Even if true, seeing as the most powerful console hasn't 'won' a generation since the SNES, I doubt anyone will care. And if the final specs are nailed down for either machine, I'll eat my hat. Unless they're going to go for release this christmas.
I will also be instructing my eyes not to believe what they see if MS/Sony do show off new consoles at E3. I want to see something running on a machine at least loosely based on what the finished product will be, not pre rendered nonsense, otherwise it's pretty much meaningless - especially from Sony.
Although I can quite easily see MS going low in terms of power/price. They've been copying Nintendo's strategy since about 2009 and seem hell bent on doing so, even down to slim pickings in the recent release schedules.
Multiplayerking on 6 Jan '12 said:
I have to laugh at this. How is it journalism?
Something we know nothing about is more powerful than something else we know nothing about.
Being honest, we all know that it is just a hopeful educated guess. They have a 50/50 chance of being right!
altitude2k on 6 Jan '12 said:
If the rumour of the next Xbox being compatible with cable and satellite inputs, and they manage to get suppliers like Sky and AT&T to sell it as a premium box upgrade, it really won't matter a jot if it's not the most powerful.
deepbluerd on 6 Jan '12 said:
There is no way in hell I'm buying either if I have to use motion controls for my games both Kinect and Move are rubbish.
Cazy008 on 6 Jan '12 said:
Yeah, and the Wii U is going to be called Stream..
NEO_SUPERMAN on 6 Jan '12 said:
The PS4 will kick the X720's ass, because it's more powerful!
Just like the PSP vs DS and PS3 vs X360.
Hold on...that's not right...
dubplate240 on 6 Jan '12 said:
I reckon three now. Steve, Blow and Bobba ... it's getting pricey now. ha.
Imaduck on 6 Jan '12 said:
Playstation sponsored source spreads rumour that the PS4 r teh bestest. f**king pause the internet, stop the presses, cancel the weather etc.! Come on, this is marketing rumour, they all do it, it's not really worthy of debate or an article of it's own frankly. No disrespect meant to anyone by that, just saying: this always happens, let's just wait for some specs before starting the envitable "console war", at this rate it's going to have started before we even have anything on specs
KMakawa on 6 Jan '12 said:
What a wonderful article to read whilest drinkin' mah tea. As if we havent had as much speculation as it is lol.
theideal on 6 Jan '12 said:
They're not totally unknown, not the new Xbox at least. I know of two devs for certain that have had the target hardware dev kits for it for a while now. I haven't heard anything of PS4 though, though it's not a stretch to think that if they already have one kit the other isn't too far behind.
starvinbull on 6 Jan '12 said:
95% of PS3 games look near identical to their 360 equivalent so in effect all the extra investment that Sony made wasn't worth it. Come the new consoles I expect one to significantly outperform the other, purely to make any additional investment worthwhile.
billysastard on 6 Jan '12 said:
i believe the sd, low tech wii kicked both their arses.
apart from that can anyone remember a single time that sony has EVER launched what they themselves first showed or detailed let alone some supposed source quoted by a company specific magazine.
frankly i'd be amazed if any of the next gen consoles offer more than 1080p @60fps so all 3 will be pretty much equal and everything will boil down to the controls and ui and whether you think its right to have to pay to make full use of the new games you buy, steam and / or origin on wii u, psn on ps4 both free or pay for live on xbox fusion, then pick kinect 2 or wii u pad or move (or whatever sony choose to copy next) to play with.
phate666 on 6 Jan '12 said:
Perhaps they mean these "sources", as these are quite good...
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JBoo on 6 Jan '12 said:
I want it to be 1 billion times more powerful than the Xbox 720 LOL If it's just a bit more powerful then what is the point? SONY need to SHOCK the gaming world with something AMAZING(& if any one can, SONY can)
mike_mgoblue on 6 Jan '12 said:
Xbox Infinity is going to be the name of Microsoft's next console (although there is a slight possibility it will be called Xbox 365).
Xbox Infinity (possibly called Xbox 365) was revealed to the world on Thanksgiving by Michael Zoran of Videogame News. You can take a look at this great article explaining the entire situation here: http://controversy.typepad.com/videogam ... -2012.html
But there is no doubt the Xbox Infinity will at least be shown to developers behind closed doors at the 2012 CES, and will definitely be shown at the 2012 E3 show. The Xbox Infinity (possibly called Xbox 365) will be released in North America in 2012 in time for Christmas.
By the way, I think it is interesting that this Playstaiton Magazine claims PS4 will be more powerful than "Xbox 720." Isn't this the same Playstation Magazine that claimed Killzone 2 was rated as a 10 out of 10 and said it was "The greatest game ever made in the history of gaming." Just weeks after Killzone 2 had been released I saw it getting review scores of only 7 out of 10 from major websites, magazines, and newspapers. And I remember seeing headlines that said "Killzone 2 is being outsold by games that have been on the market for 21 months."
In other words, these Playstation magazines are NOT trustworthy sources.
voodoo341 on 6 Jan '12 said:
By the way nope... the Playstation mag in question is PSM3 and they gave Killzone 2 a respectable 8.8 of 10. Here's the review if you don't believe me. If you can find your 'greatest game ever' quote in that review you're doing well. Looks like you're not actually that great a source. Maybe if you were you wouldn't have to resort to spamming other gaming sites with links to your poorly written blog.
billysastard on 6 Jan '12 said:
i hate to burst your bubble but infinity (along with loop) are the internal names for the new xbox divisions (like natal, ultra64,or ngp were internal names) the finished product will have a different name "fusion" based on the fact its a fusion between a games console, a pvr set top box and a kinect 2, its likely that xbox fusion will be the final (release) name
TOKEN on 6 Jan '12 said:
If sony are comparing to the rumoured 6 core cpu,twin gpu,2GB GDDR3 memory,then i may pay attention.But if its different by a slightly small amount then i dunno.
gmcb007 on 6 Jan '12 said:
Oh for f**ks sake!
The consoles haven't even been offically been proven to exist and yet there is already fanboy s**te over them!
Stop focusing on these next gen rumours. Enjoy the consoles we have now! i swear these rumours are handy for when gaming sites need to fill up their minimum article amount!
Seriously the amount of rumours that make the headlines here is pathetic.
Malmo on 6 Jan '12 said:
Unknown source basically means no really founded evidence then, and even if it is the case, they'll still be similar and run roughly the same sort of quality games, just as with the ps3 and 360.
It wouldn't really surprise me anyway, Microsoft has really changed its focus of the xbox, they want to bring in a lot more multimedia, and through technology like kinect have an accessible all round machine, not just a games console. I imagine sony will follow tradition set by ps3 and vita and give it some mighty crunch power, whilst improving and fine-tuning, but not overhauling, the general aim of the playstation.
starvinbull on 7 Jan '12 said:
Spec?
theideal on 7 Jan '12 said:
No idea, I didn't ask, I'm not a 'spec guy' and couldn't tell you the specs of the current consoles nevermind new ones. I doubt they would've told me anyway. I was more interested in trying to get them to tell me what they were actually doing on them.
kmcroc on 7 Jan '12 said:
Can't stop laughing at the article & how incredible stupid article it is, highlite of coming to this CVG article are the comments .great feed back. (SLMAO)
Beebop10 on 7 Jan '12 said:
MS are beating a dead horse with this Kinect , now Kinect 2.0 bs . Much like Nvidia with 3D gaming. The idea that gamers want to use powerful new consoles to play "on rails"shooters or more "exercise games", when there are already workout dvds, seems like complete tosh. It'll never be either precise enough , fast enough (response) or enjoyable enough to take the place of controllers, better spending the money on the graphical HW.
Imaduck on 7 Jan '12 said:
I'm pretty sure MS would get executed by PETA if they made a Kinect game where you got to beat a dead horse.
kmcroc on 7 Jan '12 said:
The idea that gamers want to use powerful new consoles to play "on rails"shooters or more "exercise games", when there are already workout dvds, seems like complete tosh. It'll never be either precise enough , fast enough (response) or enjoyable enough to take the place of controllers, better spending the money on the graphical HW.
Don't want alot of these kinect games , but know that they are there or allows me options.
As for the kinect being precise or fast & enjoyable is a matter of time, seeing how it is only a year old.
The controller will enventually be replaced by kinect or something else ,but it will happen the same way 8 track gave way to tapes & tapes to Cds ,Vhs gave away to dvds, wired to wireless , regualar tv to cable & cable to dish. just a matter of time.
Sentinator on 7 Jan '12 said:
I don't see fanboyism in here. A lot of people are ready for new consoles. I can't say about PS4 but there is definitely something cooking in the Xbox factories. There have been too many rumours about it to not turn true. If PS4 is coming then Nintendo have practically forced their hand. Sony can't risk being too late.
Old Skool Gamer on 7 Jan '12 said:
Minimum of 1.5GB for the GPU memory, using GDDR4 or 5 depending on price and 4GB for system RAM, 1TB harddrive with a SSD thrown in and with the option to add a bigger one like PS3, Microsoft are a rip off for HDD's.
Crytek have already asked for 8GB system RAM for the next gen and as its so cheap now to produce in volume it should be possible.
Personally I'm gonna wait this time around and not rush into buying the next gen system, as it will most like cost €400.
TOKEN on 7 Jan '12 said:
i agree with what your saying and sony should stick to the plan of ps being a pc media hub with next gen pc gaming inmind,im gonna wait to.
planetside 2 anyone.
only_777 on 7 Jan '12 said:
It's a very credible source, they just can't say.
Although it could just be drunk Dave from the pub.
Welsh Jester on 7 Jan '12 said:
if the PS4 is as hard to develop for as the PS3 then there will be no difference again, and MS may have the better multiplats once again for the first 1-2 years or so.
Who knows, if MS make the next xbox one time upgradeable by users it would p**s all over PS4.. though i doubt it.
Really depends on how easy it will be to develop on the next xbox.
Also screw Crytek and their 8gb requirements, how often do they make mediocre games that can't even run a solid 60fps on good pc hardware? you don't buy games for them to run like crap.. you buy them to run well on the day of release, not so you can play them 2 years later at full speed.
if certain games can't even run 60fps on good pc hardware what hope does a next gen console have running on inferior hardware a couple of years behind a mid range pc?
TOKEN on 7 Jan '12 said:
if there is one thing id like to see and that is 32/64 player games with no bs,there should be enough spec to do it,the next elder scrolls online play also.
gmcb007 on 7 Jan '12 said:
I'm not on about the fanboyism from users here (mainly because Jboo or julio haven't posted) but the actual headline. It's just tacky flamebait. I mean it's the fact they are not even offical and yet CVG is trying to make a good flamebait article out of it.
TOKEN on 7 Jan '12 said:
There is nothing wrong with commenting on the headlines,people have a choice like yourself and alot of people are waiting for it ms/sony and nin arent gonna wait until sales are that rubbish to annouce a new one.
whats up,got outta the angry side of bed this morning.
gmcb007 on 7 Jan '12 said:
Yes I know people want the next gen consoles and so forth. But the amount of articles on these rumours is ridiculous. I mean I think they have mentioned the words 'Xbox 720' at least once a week for the last 2 months now. It's starting to overshadow the present gaming news now. I mean is it really worthy of an article every time a 'source' claims that this console will have this and that?
Seriously why has most of the gaming media suddenly got this attitude that the present consoles and games are too outdated to enjoy? If anything the line-up for 2012 disproves that.
TheCrimsonFenix on 7 Jan '12 said:
If all the rumours do end up being true, I think yourself, I and others agreeing with you, will be sitting comfortably enjoying our PS3s and Xboxs playing games which show there is plenty of life left in the current consoles, whilst others so eager for next gen will be busy playing shinier and sharper looking versions of first and third person games that have already been done to death in the first two years of these "superior" machines life spans.
TheLastDodo on 7 Jan '12 said:
Completely agree. 2012 is shaping up to be another great year for gaming.
Also the current generation consoles are now at the point where more people could afford to buy a PS3/360/Wii to go along with their PS3/360/Wii (delete as applicable) if they need fresh experiences.
hi0marc on 7 Jan '12 said:
I dont mind which is more powerful, at long as it isnt rushed to try and grab a market.
Having said that, i wont buy the PS4 till the first price drop and i highly doubt ill get the xbox
laughing-gravy on 8 Jan '12 said:
Polygon throughput, bandwidth, clock speeds and vram all mean nothing to me. Surely it's about the games, right? I will be getting both systems anyway so this is completely irrelevant, but I thought the industry had out-grown the my console is better than yours debate. It seems the children are throwing the toys out of the pram again!
1Nightmare1 on 8 Jan '12 said:
What a lot of people and those those idiots at PSM don't realize is that it doesn't really matter if one console is more powerful than the other. What really matters is how easy and developer friendly the hardware and the interface is. For all we know PS4 can be a super computer than can predict earth quakes, but what good is it if the developers are struggling with making their games on it and delaying the production until the game is marginally close to other's version. PS3 has more powerful processor no doubt, but pretty much all the games that ran on both consoles looked the same, except in the past 360 version would come up with less bugs and frame rate loss.
I'm pretty sure that Sony's gaming console engineers are well aware of this situation, for the question should be not whether which console has better specs, but how powerful the console specs are without compromising difficulty of the developers working with the hardware.
TOKEN on 9 Jan '12 said:
Well all that extra power could result in detail like water running down the enemys armour,wet hair,boats rocking on waves,gore galore,alot more charater detail movement,etc.So is it important,yes.
Dan D PSM3 on 9 Jan '12 said:
Hi,
Glad everyone is enjoying this excerpt from our forthcoming PS4 story in the new issue of PSM3. To be clear, this CVG story is not written directly by us, but 'angled' - like all good news stories - using excerpts from our piece.
We're not idiots (not entirely) and fully appreciate that differentials in pure tech grunt can be negated by the operability of the dev environment, the talent of the developer etc - just like 360/PS3, where almost all games now look identical.
All we're saying, based on our sources (who we *obviously* can't name, given the sensitivity of the issue), is that PS4 is currently looking like the more powerful piece of tech, but MS's next Xbox will focus more on broad functionality, with heavy focus on Kinect 2.0
Either way, if what we're hearing *is* true - which we believe, otherwise we wouldn't print it - then it's quite possible that specs of both machines will change (however slightly), either as a function of cost, developer demand or as a reaction to their rival.
Does anyone think SixAxis control was planned all along? Or a late, panic, inclusion to offset the motion control of Wii? Hey, we do that too! Come back!
I'd advise anyone here who's *that* upset to read PSM3's forthcoming PS4 story, or listen to our podcast, to provide some context.
The interesting thing to note is that both console manufacturer's are locked in a form of arms race, both scared to launch last (look how launching Xbox 360 a year before PS3 gave MS a huge advantage last time around), yet both second guessing what the other might - or might not - have ready. I don't think either manufacturer really wants to kick off the next generation now (esp. Sony), but they can't get left behind. An E3 reveal for PS4 wouldn't be that fantastical, if you look at the 18 month gap between PS3 reveal and its Japanese launch. A summer E3 2012 reveal for PS4 would place it in late 2013 Japan, probably early 2014 worldwide - not as soon as all that, then.
Hope that clears some things up,
Dan
Editor in Chief
PSM3, XBW and NGamer
laughing-gravy on 9 Jan '12 said:
laughing-gravy on 9 Jan '12 said:
PS: If processing power is all important, why is skyward sword such a brilliant game? Wii has nowhere near the power of ps3 or x-box 360 but it still produces games of huge depth and character. Extra power isn't as important as you think.
1Nightmare1 on 10 Jan '12 said:
I appreciate that reply Dan and I apologize for the usage of the term "idiots". It's just that from a reader's stand point, it's kind of odd to hear that using unkown sources one console is more powerful than the other, when we don't know anything about either one, not even a single hardware spec. Personally I'm tempted to hear details on both consoles, because I can tell that there is going to be a great amount of innovation and hardware power in those consoles compared to current gen.
TheCrimsonFenix on 10 Jan '12 said:
All that means absolutely nothing to me if they end up being largely the same shooters with very short campaigns and a focus for online multiplayer.