Vita games will be cheaper on PSN

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

10% cheaper? Woopee f**king doo. Why would you buy digital over physical for 10% you wouldn't.

£30 digital game = £0.00 value.

£30 physical game = £ something, depending on the time, but when you wLk out the shop with it, it will still be worth £25 pre owned on eBay.

So when you think about it, going digital will cost you s**t loads. If the game were 50% there might be some temptation. Until then, you're a mug for paying money for nothing of value. Let's not forget the rip off memory card that will render in discount null.

ricflair on 1 Feb '12 said:

Will that be 10% cheaper than RRP? Even Game/HMV are normally 10% cheaper than the RRP.

It's move to be applauded in general, but if they undercut the shops the shops will go mental.

FixBeatGames on 1 Feb '12 said:

10% cheaper? Woopee f**king doo. Why would you buy digital over physical for 10% you wouldn't.
£30 digital game = £0.00 value.

are you in a special needs hospital? you should be.

so a £30 digital game has no value hey? so if you bought the same game on disc in a box, you mean you reckon the actual disc, the box and the inlay has the value of the whole £30 do you?

no. you're paying for the people who made that game's wages, their publishers wages, electricity, gas and tax for the buildings that the games were made in. tax your government demands for them to be able to get the game to you. investment in a sequel to your beloved game or perhaps a new IP.

they are the SAME costs BEFORE even any thought about physical products.

think before you speak you moron. just because digital is not a 'physical product' does not mean it has no value you tool.

FixBeatGames on 1 Feb '12 said:

oh, just seen it says "Black Ops = best FPS of all time" in your signature. that kinda makes sense how you think games don't have any value until they're on a round piece of plastic now.

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

10% cheaper? Woopee f**king doo. Why would you buy digital over physical for 10% you wouldn't.
£30 digital game = £0.00 value.

are you in a special needs hospital? you should be.

so a £30 digital game has no value hey? so if you bought the same game on disc in a box, you mean you reckon the actual disc, the box and the inlay has the value of the whole £30 do you?

no. you're paying for the people who made that game's wages, their publishers wages, electricity, gas and tax for the buildings that the games were made in. tax your government demands for them to be able to get the game to you. investment in a sequel to your beloved game or perhaps a new IP.

they are the SAME costs BEFORE even any thought about physical products.

think before you speak you moron. just because digital is not a 'physical product' does not mean it has no value you tool.

Did you even f**king read my post? Or you just being thick for the fun of it??? I can't get anything back for a digital game if it turns out to be a turd or I did't like it. Your digital game on your memory card is valued at 0p in trade, my physical copy has value of x amount of cash. Where did I say that the game isn't worth anything at the point of sale???????

Once you've made that transaction for a £30 digital game, it's value turns to 0p fact.

Read and think before you speak. You obviously didn't read my post properly or just simply misunderstood it, either way come back when you have.

Seriously where do these villiage idiots come from? Any need for attacking me like that because you fail to grasp basic English?

Edit- you're new around here, not a good way to start is it? I'd suggest going back to the hole you came from.

shanusanus on 1 Feb '12 said:

You guys all crack me up LOL

I agree that Digital versions have no real value. Let me explain....

in 20 years time when all the PSN \ Apple \ XBOX LIVE servers are all gone for all your money spent on Digital versions you'll have nothing , nada , capush - where as all us clever gits that bought the physical version on CD \ DVD \ Memeory Card will still have our boxed copies to sell on - and bare in mind that well kept games and consoles and computers sell for VERY good sums on eBay (for instance my boxed copy of Starblade Alpha for the PS1 sold for £60 on eBay this week) will mean I have money in 20 years time to buy a new game / console / pack of condoms whatever

And by the way I dont care two hoots for greedy developers that winge that they need money to fund new games etc - what a load of bollox! When I used to buy my £1.99 Commodore 64 games it didnt stop games makers shipping out game after game - there will always be games makers no matter what price a game sells at. And to further prove teh point - why does a game on PS3 and XBOX sell for £39.99 when the EXACT same game using teh EXACT same tolls to create (and electric and blah blah blah) only cost £19.99 on PC ??? Did they really need the extra £20 from me to make the PS3 or XBOX version?? NO - they are just greedy s**tes that know that they can get away with that price point because we have all been 'groomed' to accept that price point.

Developers - games industries are just plain greedy - a digital version has no real costs any diffrent from a physical one - indeed its cheaper - just bung it on a server somewhere as opposed to buring to CD \ DVD so from that point of view it SHOULD be cheaper anyway - and as above baring in mind you have nothing to sell on in future its value is even LESS - I agree that digital shoudl be 50% the price of physical

Anyone that thinks Digital has a value the same as Physical are just plain stupid nieve and obviously have a lot to learn!

Hashbrown on 1 Feb '12 said:

You all seem to be assuming every man and their dog sells their games on. I've never traded a game in so physical copies have zero street price to me as well. The only issue with me is when you borrow a game off a friend or vice versa. In a way a digital copy has a higher price as it is indestructible (for as long as Xbox Live/PSN lasts anyway) You only have to look at Steam and other PC download sites that this is the way forward. More and more companies are going digital only, or very limited physical copies for PC's.

Hashbrown on 1 Feb '12 said:

And to further prove teh point - why does a game on PS3 and XBOX sell for £39.99 when the EXACT same game using teh EXACT same tolls to create (and electric and blah blah blah) only cost £19.99 on PC ??? Did they really need the extra £20 from me to make the PS3 or XBOX version?? NO - they are just greedy s**tes that know that they can get away with that price point because we have all been 'groomed' to accept that price point.

Thats the licencing costs to make games on console. Thats how MS and Sony make their money back from selling consoles at a loss.

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

@fixbeat you're talking about point of sale value, I'm talking after sale value, value of game once in my possession. I didn't make my point clear enough for you, just is there any need for the 'moron' comments? It's not a playground, it's a discussion between adults, supposedly. I'm more than well aware that buying a digital game has a value price before sale.

shanusanus on 1 Feb '12 said:

You all seem to be assuming every man and their dog sells their games on. I've never traded a game in so physical copies have zero street price to me as well. The only issue with me is when you borrow a game off a friend or vice versa. In a way a digital copy has a higher price as it is indestructible (for as long as Xbox Live/PSN lasts anyway) You only have to look at Steam and other PC download sites that this is the way forward. More and more companies are going digital only, or very limited physical copies for PC's.

Just because Steam and Origin are doing it doesnt make it good for the CONSUMER - do you REALLY think they put teh consumer interests before their own?? of course now - for them its easier to ship via Digital as it just goes on a server they already have setup as opposed to going through teh logistics of creating physical versions.

Also the games industry wants to STOP pre-owned - so what ya know - they start doing Digital only versions that are locked to one owner \ one device

Here's another example - my and the son want to play call of duty online (I use this ONLY as example so dont quote prices) - him on his PS3 and me on mine. Whats better for the consumer? 2 X pre owned versions at £20 each so £40 total OR 2 X Digital copies from PSN that are over priced at £35 each so £70 total?? Who REALLY are digital copies good for?? In fact if the example Call Of Duty game never even came out on physical DVD then I didnt even have a choice of getting 2 X games at £40 did I!

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

@shanusanus they don't care about you buying 2x pre-owned. In all fairness, pre-owned is only ever £2-£4 cheaper in most cases.

shanusanus on 1 Feb '12 said:

Look - I dont really care whether people buy Digital or Physical.... all I am saying is that Digital is a rip off. At some point in the future you will have nothing for your money - where as at least with Physical you will have the DVD\BOX etc to either keep and cheerish with fond memories or sell on to a collector etc.

I also think there SHOULD be a used \ pre - owned market just as there is in the music , car , video and DVD industry. The games industry makes more than enough money already - its just pure greed that they now complain about not getting the cach from games sold in the used market.

Yes I appreciate the SONY \ MS licence costs that make games higher on PS3 \ XBOX but that still comes under the whole GAMES INDUSTRY unberella - hell we are practically seeing then that the games industry is causing its own pain arnt we then!

There is a place for Digital versions - I'd rather have all my games on PSP GO than carry a bag full of games for the PDP UMD version BUT all my digital versions I have bought at either bargain sale prices OR got then via my PS PLUS account. I refuse to pay the same if not sometimes MORE than what teh game would be in Physical format.

We are all being conned with Digital versions and I beg all of you to open your eyes and see that. Only then can we make a stand and change things.

FlacidDonkeyGuy on 1 Feb '12 said:

And to further prove teh point - why does a game on PS3 and XBOX sell for £39.99 when the EXACT same game using teh EXACT same tolls to create (and electric and blah blah blah) only cost £19.99 on PC ??? Did they really need the extra £20 from me to make the PS3 or XBOX version?? NO - they are just greedy s**tes that know that they can get away with that price point because we have all been 'groomed' to accept that price point.

Thats the licencing costs to make games on console. Thats how MS and Sony make their money back from selling consoles at a loss.

Sorry you are a moron they don't and never have sold there consoles at a loss. Regardless of what you have read or "facts" you can quote from. You forget they lie about the systems "power" by cooking numbers, you realy think Mr & Mrs Shareholder. Are going to give you £200 by selling something at a loss, hoping you buy 20 games in a year to recoupe there "loss"?

Hook line & sinker springs to mind.

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

Look - I dont really care whether people buy Digital or Physical.... all I am saying is that Digital is a rip off. At some point in the future you will have nothing for your money - where as at least with Physical you will have the DVD\BOX etc to either keep and cheerish with fond memories or sell on to a collector etc.

I also think there SHOULD be a used \ pre - owned market just as there is in the music , car , video and DVD industry. The games industry makes more than enough money already - its just pure greed that they now complain about not getting the cach from games sold in the used market.

Yes I appreciate the SONY \ MS licence costs that make games higher on PS3 \ XBOX but that still comes under the whole GAMES INDUSTRY unberella - hell we are practically seeing then that the games industry is causing its own pain arnt we then!

There is a place for Digital versions - I'd rather have all my games on PSP GO than carry a bag full of games for the PDP UMD version BUT all my digital versions I have bought at either bargain sale prices OR got then via my PS PLUS account. I refuse to pay the same if not sometimes MORE than what teh game would be in Physical format.

We are all being conned with Digital versions and I beg all of you to open your eyes and see that. Only then can we make a stand and change things.

I whole heartily agree with that, digital only will = everything a rip off. Digital and physical can live together in harmony, there is no reason for either of them to go.

You all seem to be assuming every man and their dog sells their games on. I've never traded a game in so physical copies have zero street price to me as well. The only issue with me is when you borrow a game off a friend or vice versa. In a way a digital copy has a higher price as it is indestructible (for as long as Xbox Live/PSN lasts anyway) You only have to look at Steam and other PC download sites that this is the way forward. More and more companies are going digital only, or very limited physical copies for PC's.

I never got rid of any of my games this gen and never intended to. But I decided to get rid of half my PS3 games like the launch titles etc and got £300. I also sold a few over Christmas and got another £200. I know rarely 1 or 2 of you will keep every game forever. But a digital copy holds no actual benefit over physical. I'd rather spend my money knowing I'll have something of value if the time ever comes to needing money for whatever reason.
It's simple would I rather spend £5,000 on games in the next x amount of years on digital versions, which will be worth f**k all. Or I can spend that money on physical then one day I'll still have possession of something of value.

Mmmmgrolsch on 1 Feb '12 said:

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Sorry you are a moron they don't and never have sold there consoles at a loss. Regardless of what you have read or "facts" you can quote from. You forget they lie about the systems "power" by cooking numbers, you realy think Mr & Mrs Shareholder. Are going to give you £200 by selling something at a loss, hoping you buy 20 games in a year to recoupe there "loss"?

Hook line & sinker springs to mind.

You do realise the r+d costs millions and that cost is spread out over the individual console sales? Until it is paid they are still in a loss.

benedictm on 1 Feb '12 said:

f**king 10% less - and i bet all the extra money they are saving by selling direct and not making up game cards and packaging and the cut to the retailer is ALL going to the game maker and publisher

Oh wait.

Greedy f**ks.

shanusanus on 1 Feb '12 said:

f**king 10% less - and i bet all the extra money they are saving by selling direct and not making up game cards and packaging and the cut to the retailer is ALL going to the game maker and publisher

Oh wait.

Greedy f**ks.

I know how you feel - but we may have 'bigger' things to talk about - seems GAME stores are on their way to closing for good - IF you have pre orders for games coming this weekend (like FF13-2 and MGS HD) you MAY want to make other arrangements as some have had their Pre Orders cancelled it seems - oh and if you have a PS VITA pre ordered with them you may want to go elsewhere and not take the risk

billysastard on 1 Feb '12 said:

You all seem to be assuming every man and their dog sells their games on. I've never traded a game in so physical copies have zero street price to me as well. The only issue with me is when you borrow a game off a friend or vice versa. In a way a digital copy has a higher price as it is indestructible (for as long as Xbox Live/PSN lasts anyway) You only have to look at Steam and other PC download sites that this is the way forward. More and more companies are going digital only, or very limited physical copies for PC's.

tell that to anyone who bought a game like aegis wing on xbla then had to replace a dead console, if it had been purchased on a cart / disc it could just be loaded on the replacement machine.

to those who like me dont sell their games, then thats fine, just what do you have to show for your collection now? a stack of printed out reciepts for points cards? not quite the same as a pile of games and you couldnt lend those digital copies to anyone.

its very different on the pc where there are plenty of alternate sources for your games and crack files to bypass any form of drm that might prevent you from being able to play it in future, but the whole idea of a games console is that its static hardware for its entire generation and games "just work", something this generation seems to have forgotten.

roland82 on 1 Feb '12 said:

I dont think there is anybody that would complain about STEAM's pricing. I dont use it but it seems they understand that digital should be priced a lot less. From what I just googled you can play them offline so they are technically yours to keep for ever. Plus they have sales and reduce prices over time.

Even if you dont sell games on I think its clear that a physical product must have more value than just a digital copy.

From what Ive read MS and Sony sell early consoles at a loss. Over time and millions of console sales component and production cost reduce and each console represents profit. Its called a loss leader, common in business.

Sleepaphobic on 1 Feb '12 said:

10% cheaper? Woopee f**king doo. Why would you buy digital over physical for 10% you wouldn't.
£30 digital game = £0.00 value.

are you in a special needs hospital? you should be.

so a £30 digital game has no value hey? so if you bought the same game on disc in a box, you mean you reckon the actual disc, the box and the inlay has the value of the whole £30 do you?

no. you're paying for the people who made that game's wages, their publishers wages, electricity, gas and tax for the buildings that the games were made in. tax your government demands for them to be able to get the game to you. investment in a sequel to your beloved game or perhaps a new IP.

they are the SAME costs BEFORE even any thought about physical products.

think before you speak you moron. just because digital is not a 'physical product' does not mean it has no value you tool.

This is a perfect example of somebody not understanding what they read.

infamous76 on 1 Feb '12 said:

You guys all crack me up LOL

I agree that Digital versions have no real value. Let me explain....

in 20 years time when all the PSN \ Apple \ XBOX LIVE servers are all gone for all your money spent on Digital versions you'll have nothing , nada , capush - where as all us clever gits that bought the physical version on CD \ DVD \ Memeory Card will still have our boxed copies to sell on - and bare in mind that well kept games and consoles and computers sell for VERY good sums on eBay (for instance my boxed copy of Starblade Alpha for the PS1 sold for £60 on eBay this week) will mean I have money in 20 years time to buy a new game / console / pack of condoms whatever

And by the way I dont care two hoots for greedy developers that winge that they need money to fund new games etc - what a load of bollox! When I used to buy my £1.99 Commodore 64 games it didnt stop games makers shipping out game after game - there will always be games makers no matter what price a game sells at. And to further prove teh point - why does a game on PS3 and XBOX sell for £39.99 when the EXACT same game using teh EXACT same tolls to create (and electric and blah blah blah) only cost £19.99 on PC ??? Did they really need the extra £20 from me to make the PS3 or XBOX version?? NO - they are just greedy s**tes that know that they can get away with that price point because we have all been 'groomed' to accept that price point.

Developers - games industries are just plain greedy - a digital version has no real costs any diffrent from a physical one - indeed its cheaper - just bung it on a server somewhere as opposed to buring to CD \ DVD so from that point of view it SHOULD be cheaper anyway - and as above baring in mind you have nothing to sell on in future its value is even LESS - I agree that digital shoudl be 50% the price of physical

Anyone that thinks Digital has a value the same as Physical are just plain stupid nieve and obviously have a lot to learn!

shanusanus, you are my hero. Cuz i ws about to type up a long ass reply also to the IDIOT that said developers need the oney for their electricity or whatever crap he said.

I too have been a gamer since the C64 days and those were good times - hell i remember going into a sweetie shop and being able to buy budget games for £1.99 and premium games went for £9.99.

I will say this once and for all - THE DAY GAMING GOES ALL DIGITAL IS THE DAY I WILL HOOK BACK UP MY XBOX 1, PS2 (both CHIPPED), GC, DC and my current 360 & PS3 and just play those games over and over until i pop my clogs.

Never have I heard of downright GREED by these devs and publishers and to think people out there are backing them to the hilt. DAMN FOOLS. It's bad enough now, i.e. EA turning off the servers for Tiger Woods 10 - the game is only 2 f**king years old, are u kidding me, and XBOX taken down double dragon xbla game off their server so if u bought it previously and u need to re-download it good luck trying cuz it's gone forever - i know cuz it happened to my mate, he was HIGHLY p**sed off.

Good luck to all you folks who jump on the digital only era, because trust me you are just putting ya money down the drain as soon as u finish the said game.

WAKE UP Y'ALL

TheLastDodo on 1 Feb '12 said:

Can you all at least agree that Sony have done everything in their power and then some to ensure that the PS Vita has the most botched up launch in the history of games console launches?

infamous76 on 1 Feb '12 said:

Can you all at least agree that Sony have done everything in their power and then some to ensure that the PS Vita has the most botched up launch in the history of games console launches?

Hence why i wont be investing in one - Uncharted: Golden Abyss or not.

All in all tho guys I just wanna say I find it soooo sad that a fantastic pastime that we all love for many many years is being ruined to the core by nothing more than GREED. It really annoys me.

What a bleak future this world is going to become, no one will ever leave their houses again cuz u can download every damn thing - no shops will be needed right. And they wonder why the ENTIRE world (except China of course) is virtually in economic meltdown. This CRAP all started when they introduced the dreaded DLC bulls**t, now it has taken off big time (thanks alot you COD fanatics lol) they are just getting greedier and greedier

ricflair on 1 Feb '12 said:

Can you all at least agree that Sony have done everything in their power and then some to ensure that the PS Vita has the most botched up launch in the history of games console launches?

That's a bit harsh - the 3DS with lack of games, the CPP, the initial price, the advertising. The PS3 with the price and how Sony went about justifying it, the Saturn's hardware changes and the way it responded to the PS1. The 32x, Mega CD...

The stupidity of console companies never fails to amaze me!

Barry316 on 1 Feb '12 said:

The Nintendo 64 launch was pretty awful as well. It launched here almost a year after Japan, it was £250, it only had two or three launch games and most places were selling those for £55 each.

ricflair on 1 Feb '12 said:

At least the 64 launched with two pretty amazing games. But the cartridges were a definite misstep!

DAEDALUS79 on 1 Feb '12 said:

Id buy it off PSN if it was cheaper, boxes are overrated. But as has been mentioned it does all depend on whether this 10% is off RRP or actual in store prices.

TheLastDodo on 1 Feb '12 said:

Is it really harsh?

Vita's WiFi & 3G base prices are too expensive.
Memory cards are too expensive.
No 32GB Memory card option for Europe. Baffling.
One PSN account allowed per memory card per Vita. Overcomplicated.
Most games are too expensive, over 30 quid for Rayman Origins. Really?
Launching in Japan without major titles geared towards the Japanese market. Baffling.
Lack of online multiplayer in ModNation Racers. Baffling.
Not enough information over options for the 3G model.
3 weeks from US, EU launch and where's the advertising? Baffling. Oh yeah it's a Sony product, they don't need adverts.

Some of that is stating the bleeding obvious I know but as I said above some decisions are just baffling. I'd swear they want it to fail as much as they want it to succeed.

There are two positives:

The US, EU launch lineups are far better than the Japanese launch lineup without doubt and third party support is very strong at this point in time, shame they didn't have a Call of Duty title ready for launch as that would've been a license to print money.

I want it to succeed but I can't see it happening, not for a while.

The Bossman on 1 Feb '12 said:

The prices as they are on amazon.com are crazy, about $40 for a decent game and $50 for the AAA games like Uncharted, and even that looks like there might not be as much action and set pieces as the PS3 games according to various games mags out there. Christmas should see a huge rise in sales for Vita but not the 3G version.

theideal on 1 Feb '12 said:

And by the way I dont care two hoots for greedy developers that winge that they need money to fund new games etc - what a load of bollox! When I used to buy my £1.99 Commodore 64 games it didnt stop games makers shipping out game after game - there will always be games makers no matter what price a game sells at. And to further prove teh point - why does a game on PS3 and XBOX sell for £39.99 when the EXACT same game using teh EXACT same tolls to create (and electric and blah blah blah) only cost £19.99 on PC ??? Did they really need the extra £20 from me to make the PS3 or XBOX version?? NO - they are just greedy s**tes that know that they can get away with that price point because we have all been 'groomed' to accept that price point.

You had some decent points until this stupid rant. The idiocy in that paragraph f**king astounds me.
You're not only dismissing the people that make the games you play and choose to buy, you're comparing the cost of buying a years old game, made in a matter of weeks, if not days, by one or two people in their bedroom to a product that takes teams of hundreds years to make, with a huge investment in technology. You're an idiot.
As for why console games are dearer than PC... First party charge publishers to put their games on their consoles, how do you think they make their money?

damoxuk on 1 Feb '12 said:

Won;t be much difference over in the UK as retailers never charge full retail anyway more close to 20-30% less unlike a lot of continental europe stores which seem to only sell RRP.

Still for those it'll be cheaper for us retail will be cheaper and you can re-sell them.

Dimpee on 2 Feb '12 said:

I don't think a 16GB card will be enough to download my games though...

YouStoleMyKill on 2 Feb '12 said:

Vita Sucks

Welsh Jester on 2 Feb '12 said:

Not buying a vita until it's fully hacked, simple as. Seeing the way it's going with exploits already running on it, it won't be long before we get custom fw.

I doubt vita games will be much cheaper on PSN either, 3DS store hasn't even had any offers.. i take it these services aren't half as good as steam yet.