Sony may be planning to release its own Kinect-style product.
Filed by Sony research and development wizard Dr. Richard Marks, who previously created EyeToy and PlayStation Move, it describes a "user-driven three-dimensional interactive gaming environment" created by plugging a camera into a PlayStation that could read player positioning and movement.
Marks previously described Kinect and EyeToy as "limited" in comparison to PlayStation Move, saying he was convinced that gamers - and games designers - can achieve more with a controller in their hands. If anything comes of this patent, we can probably expect it to have its own twist on the Kinect formula, then.
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StonecoldMC on 21 Feb '12 said:
1. Thought the Eye Toy could do this already?
2. The Mayans were right, the World is gonna end this year.
3. This should be Fun!
svd_grasshopper on 21 Feb '12 said:
get this s**te to f**k sony.
don't want it as a peripheral. and sure as hell don't want it embedded into the ps4, like MS are forcing kinetic on 720 users.
and CVG... turning my posts into adverts, disgraceful. this site is quick becoming a bottom feeder.
StonecoldMC on 21 Feb '12 said:
Thanks for sharing grasshopper
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D'you feel better now
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360_Fan on 21 Feb '12 said:
Sweetheart, bring me some popcorn, my lube, and some tissues. This thread is going to get messy!
a_adji on 21 Feb '12 said:
first rip of they wii and now the 360. wow, hard times lol. I thought they said they eye toy does the kinect but better. Sony are on an epic failure unless they learn to be original.
RustySpoon80 on 21 Feb '12 said:
Why is this a MS copy? It's just an improvement to the EyeToy, most probably the Eye 3.0 for use on the PS4.
I'm sure Sony will continue the PSMove on the PS4 and this new camera would increase its functionality while adding additions functions.
Toasted_PSP on 21 Feb '12 said:
Nintendo are the only real innovators in the games industry, everyone else just copies them.
Sony copied the early WebCam games for the Eyetoy, MS copied the Eyetoy for its Kinect, Sony are copying Kinect for the next generation of Eyetoy. No doubt if Sony add something new to their new camera, MS will copy that along with adding some other new feature which Sony will then copy ?
As an input device a Kinect style controller could become huge, but as a main input device for gaming it needs some major software and hardware upgrades before it can be taken seriously (If anyone has seen the Kinect Star Wars game running on Playr you'll know what I mean.).
shogunreaper on 21 Feb '12 said:
Could actually be great when combined with the move, although it'll probably be expensive.
03b2wgm on 21 Feb '12 said:
This. I'm sure PSMove + Kinect style camera setup would = something better.
Why not have the best of both worlds?
NEO_SUPERMAN on 21 Feb '12 said:
God dammit Sony. I was hoping the atrocious PS3 was a blip in the playstation legacy. Now you continue just ripping of MS and NINTENDO?
Achievements - trophies!
Wiimote - sixasis then move.
Kinect - ps4cam!
INNOVATE not imitate!
Sony just seem so irrelevant and outdated these days. It makes me sad.
buffig on 21 Feb '12 said:
You're funny
nb_nmare2 on 21 Feb '12 said:
Do your research first next time. Kinnect is a blatant rip off of the Eyetoy, so if Sony are ripping off anyone, it would be themselves - and as the same guy who created the Eyetoy is behind it, they're not even doing that.
Also, Playstation games have had achievements since the previous generation (check the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games for a perfect example), whereas AFAIK they didn't appear in Nintendo or XBox games until the current gen. So again, you've got it the wrong way around.
lonewolf2002 on 21 Feb '12 said:
As the Stone cold one pointed out, thought the eye-toy could do this already well thats what a lot of people on this forum was saying when people were comparing Kinect to Move. Ah well either way matters not to me as at the moment I do not need/want to buy motion controls, if they integrate these into their next consoles then I will have them, does not mean I have to use them (unless all future games require motion controls).
buffig on 21 Feb '12 said:
Yeah, eyetoy can, but this patent probably just expands on that and will most likely be used in conjunction with move. It's not a great leap of logic to suggest that the PS4 would have a more powerful camera peripheral and a better move device.
StonecoldMC on 21 Feb '12 said:
Lets keep it nice and clean Neo. I think its safe to say that all of the Big 3 steal and innovate ideas and products in equal measures, no one is the true innovator and no one is the true thief.
ensabahnur on 21 Feb '12 said:
Actually they've been around for a lot longer than that, there's been plenty of games from well before the playstation era that had checklists, they usually rewarded you with things other than a little trophy or 50g like costumes or different characters. You know, the stuff they charge for now.
wrightandrewjame on 21 Feb '12 said:
Seems a few people don't know how long Research and Development really takes. Things we can buy now could have been development about 5 to 10 years ago. While no doubt trends influence R&D it still takes a while to go through the process.
Either way Sony have been toying around with Augmented Reality, Motion Detection, 3D Cameras and the like for over a decade, just like Microsoft have been. It's hardly "stealing" ideas when it's a field of Human Computer Interaction that has to be researched...
martinawatson on 21 Feb '12 said:
Lets keep it nice and clean Neo. I think its safe to say that all of the Big 3 steal and innovate ideas and products in equal measures, no one is the true innovator and no one is the true thief (apart from me in this instance)
Barca Azul on 21 Feb '12 said:
I think they all borrow from each other in the end.
PS3 helped the 360 get media and probably an advanced optical disk for the next xbox.
Eyetoy helped Kinect
Let face it, doesn't matter where the idea comes from providing we benefit from it.
Competition is good for the consumer, QED.
drpunk on 21 Feb '12 said:
THEY ALL COPIED BABBAGE!!!!!!!!!
How far do you wanna go back with this crap. So lame.
Mmmmgrolsch on 21 Feb '12 said:
Yes and you're not talking out of your arse are you? Feel free to educate yourself a little bit.
kmcroc on 21 Feb '12 said:
So it seems KB is going to be joining the other kids in the third grade w/ thier imaginery toy guns. pew pew pew pow .
KK-Headcharge78 on 21 Feb '12 said:
Fast becoming the leading contender in gaming as the jack of all trades, master of f**k all.
Harsh I know and it saddens me but that's how I see it
laughing-gravy on 21 Feb '12 said:
Playstation platforms have had cameras' a lot longer than xbox has. Even when they launched eye toy Richard Marks was talking about depth cameras. Lets face it M$ ripped Sony off big time. They even stole the name kinect from Eye toy Kinetic!
flash501 on 21 Feb '12 said:
s**te!
That's all I have to say on the matter, really.
zombiesinmyhead on 21 Feb '12 said:
I can't believe anyone would think kinect is worth copying. Its influence on gaming has been negligible at best, and MS shoe-horning it into the dash was pure b*****ks.
flash501 on 21 Feb '12 said:
For some reason, just about everyone bought one though, so I guess it's no real surprise that Sony are trying to copy them.
zombiesinmyhead on 21 Feb '12 said:
Not me man, I'll never submit!
Unless I put on a few pounds and kid myself that buying software and running on the spot is the solution, rather than the problem.
flash501 on 21 Feb '12 said:
Surely you're not suggesting that the majority of people who buy Kinect are plumpers who think using it will make them look like the skinny, sexy people on the ads, are you?!
El Mag on 21 Feb '12 said:
Or the lads bought it because they thought they'd finally get to play with a big bird.
p**sed them right off when they realised he wasn't even in Sesame Street: Once Upon a Monster though.
kmcroc on 21 Feb '12 said:
Calling you out on the Achievements , as for the Kincet & eyetoy thing not my cup of tea, so can't comment.
Implementations
Although individual games on various platforms had implemented systems of achievements, the original implementation of the achievements system as popularized is widely considered to be Microsoft's Xbox 360 Gamerscore system, introduced in 2005. Microsoft extended Gamerscore support to the Games for Windows - LIVE scheme in 2007 by including support for achievements in Halo 2. In 2008, Sony and Valve followed suit by offering PSN trophies for the PlayStation 3 and Steam Achievements for some PC titles respectively. To date, Nintendo has not developed any kind of central achievements system for the Wii or Nintendo DS, but a few selected games such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Wii Sports Resort do implement their own systems of achievements. There is also no trophy support for the PlayStation Portable, even though the device does have PSN connection capability. However, at least three games on the PlayStation Portable has a similar system, that being Silent Hill: Origins, Modnation Racers and Pinball Heroes. Though one PlayStation Portable game, Little Big Planet on the back of the box it says trophies but it was a typo that Sony confirmed that there was no trophy system on Little Big Planet and on the PlayStation Portable. It is confirmed that there will be a trophy system that will be in the new Sony handheld video game system successor to the PlayStation Portable, the PlayStation Vita as well as for all PlayStation Vita games that will be coming out at the end of 2011 in Japan and early 2012 for North America and Europe.
A number of mainly Windows-based games, such as TAGAP: The Apocalyptic Game About Penguins and World of Warcraft, implement their own system of achievements, which may or may not be publicized on the internet.
Microsoft's mobile OS, Windows Phone 7, includes Xbox Live support, including achievements.
Apple has added Game Center on the iOS mobile platform for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch which has achievements.
The game E-Motion on the Amiga from 1990 was one of the earliest games that had some form of achievements, although the game calls them a "secret bonus". The game had 5 secret achievements, for example completing a level without rotating to the right or completely failing certain levels.[1]
Kongregate, a Flash games hosting site, features Badges, which earn the user points, similar to the Xbox 360's Gamerscore and PlayStation 3's trophy system. Much like PSN trophies, points work towards increasing a player's level. The site FAQ explains, "Your level will automatically rise as you earn points. We're still working out the details of what kind of privileges and potential prizes that points and levels could be used to unlock." [2]
The advent of achievement-driven gaming is satirized in the Flash game Achievement Unlocked. Originally hosted on Armor Games, it has also been featured on Kongregate, a site which also features an achievement system. The game is a simple platformer; it takes place on a single non-scrolling screen, and has only the simplest controls i.e. walking and jumping. It has no clearly-defined victory condition aside from earning all 100 achievements, from the trivial (move left, click the play field) to the complex (find and travel to three locations in order, touch every square), though an optional challenge lies in earning all the achievements from a fresh play through in as little time as possible. The game spawned a sequel, Achievement Unlocked 2.
(wiki)
zombiesinmyhead on 21 Feb '12 said:
Oh to think that I would be capable of such breathtaking cynicism!
But yeah, pretty much.
kmcroc on 21 Feb '12 said:
Have a link or site that states that .
Toasted_PSP on 21 Feb '12 said:
It did sell really well in America so......
MD1500 on 21 Feb '12 said:
Well, Sony stole the name Vita from Nintendo's Vitality sensor
El Mag on 21 Feb '12 said:
Everybody copied every idea ever from my grandad.
Or rbt as you lot know him.
ensabahnur on 21 Feb '12 said:
Oh i thought they'd stole it from a certain sunflower spread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLiHX6eK2Eg
gmcb007 on 21 Feb '12 said:
How do your words taste Marks?
Anyways, f**k the lot of you sad t**ts with your playboxs and xstations 630s. Gameboys are the future!
GAMEBOYS MADE OF CAKE!
StonecoldMC on 21 Feb '12 said:
Well done Mag.
This is what is known as a Thread Killer.
No point trying to score cheap points and shots now!
Hooray!
gmcb007 on 21 Feb '12 said:
and now pictures of cute animals:
http://www.makems.com/graphic/puppies-2.jpg
ensabahnur on 21 Feb '12 said:
Its about bloody time!
http://artsytime.com/img/fun/adorable-animals/adorable-animals07.jpg
gmcb007 on 21 Feb '12 said:
http://www.oneinchpunch.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/tianjin-twin-tiger-cubs2.jpg
Sentinator on 21 Feb '12 said:
So first they copy Wii and since thats flopped they are copying Kinect? Sony must think you can copy and paste ideas that were already used, add a few changes to make it look unique and instant seller. Sony have to have committed the biggest form of plagiarism of the big 3. News flash Sony: the reason they sold so well is because they were so original. You can't release these rip offs and not expect the public to see through it.
gmcb007 on 21 Feb '12 said:
http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1890557_f496.jpg
Mmmmgrolsch on 21 Feb '12 said:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B68htV-pAKI/TsMyRH1EcuI/AAAAAAAAAEU/g5wiuzbEnvM/s1600/double-facepalm.jpg
Sentinator on 21 Feb '12 said:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_REkgXByDyuU/S6oedAOQteI/AAAAAAAAGlI/KwD2f-zC9eU/s400/impliedfacepalm-ba.jpg
ensabahnur on 21 Feb '12 said:
http://fun-laugh.com/Pic/Cute%20Animals/Cute-animals001.jpg
Trying to do this with the PS3's browser is a bloody nightmare.
porkchopz on 21 Feb '12 said:
I actually have a tub of Vita in the fridge right now! Contrary to accusations I didn't purchase it on the name alone...
porkchopz on 21 Feb '12 said:
Lol, and to think I got a warning for suggesting that the 360 controller is larger than the dualshock because the primary market is comprised of sausage fingered burger yanks...
laughing-gravy on 21 Feb '12 said:
Unfortunately it was in an old copy of edge magazine when eye toy first came out, and no way am I digging through all those magazines and scanning it in.
sonic_uk on 21 Feb '12 said:
Isn't this the Eye Toy? Oh well, I'm hoping they wont try and ram it down your throat like M$ do with Kinnect at every given opportunity. If they just release it as an add-on for those that want it (like they did with Move and the Eye Toy) I have no problem with that, but if they try the same force-it-upon-you tactic M$ are employing then they can bugger off too.
laughing-gravy on 22 Feb '12 said:
The article also states that there will be some form of plug-in backwards compatability device too. Hopefully it will allow us to play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games. They would definitely get my money then! Link to the article below.
http://myona.com/2012/02/20/ps4-3d-kine ... s-suggest/