BioWare's come out to defend plans to launch day one Mass Effect 3 DLC, insisting the studio finished working on the main game first before moving on to the paid-for add-on content. 
"DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.
"On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."
Mass Effect 3 is out on March 9. If you haven't already, read our recent interview with Casey Hudson.
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middle finger on 23 Feb '12 said:
Just put it on the disc you tossers.
I don't even want to hear about any glitches or problems on day one, as the game was already finished weeks before release.
Barry316 on 23 Feb '12 said:
reegee must have sent his threatening letters in fast!
WHERESMYMONKEY on 23 Feb '12 said:
How can they put it on the disc exactly. the discs were being made in january. Thats when the game was finished and went gold.
they only started working on it after they'd started pysical production of the game. So unless they have some kind of magical way to add data to already burnt media. It's not only pysically impossible But also they hadn't even finished making it then.
the game as in the main bulk of ME3. has been done for months and you are complaining that they're now giving you the option to be able to have even more content for a game thats already bound to be a leas 20hours on release day.
Seriously do you brats listen to yourselves sometimes.
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
It was finished weeks before release? Really? No flies on you is there Sherlock.
Go read an article on the game making process afore greeting like a little girl over something you have no clue about. Every f**king time there is day one DLC there is always clueless mororns wi their tin foil hats on speaking crap
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
Is there not a love heart smiley? Here you go <3
nathar on 23 Feb '12 said:
My only real issue with day one DLC is that those who really like a games franchise are the ones milked for cash by the devs/publishers. Heres an idea - why not release the DLC for free for a few weeks?
The loyal fans - the ones buying it for full price - get a free copy of the dlc anytime within a month of its release.
Those not buying the game at full price (ie a couple of months after release) have to pay full price for the DLC
Bioware makes its biggest fans happier, and the world becomes a better place.
Unknown16 on 23 Feb '12 said:
Agreed with 100%. I also don't have a problem with us ME3 N7 Collection Edition buyers getting it free, since we Pre-Ordered early and are paying extra money. To be honest, the casual ME3 players are lucky to even get this as DLC, since the N7 box first said this Mission was "Exclusive".
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
Did you just call me casual?!
Unknown16 on 23 Feb '12 said:
Casual, Original, However you want to say it. Still doesn't change the fact that us N7 buyers paid more for extra content.
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
True and I get far yer coming fae but didn't you really pay extra for an art book, comic, all other DLC etc? I looked at it but couldn't justify paying £32 more (over boxed Zavvi copy) for DLC that will cost me £5 when it's launched. ALl the rest of the stuff means nothing to me
slick loose on 23 Feb '12 said:
This stinks of EA money grabbing! And less of the insults people! People are allowed different opinions, you know...
TheRandyNinja on 23 Feb '12 said:
how can people defend day one dlc and call the complainers the idiots. its like going to watch a film walking out of the cinema and then paying again to walk back in and watch the rest of the film. at the end of the day if you go out and buy a game you expect it to be complete it shouldn't have to need dlc it should all be in game. i can understand dlc a few months down the line but before the game comes out is no excuse.
TheLastDodo on 23 Feb '12 said:
No it's not, it's more like paying for deleted scenes, which I don't give a toss about when I buy a DVD but I'm forced to pay for anyway, if the DLC was that important to the story Bioware would've put in the game to start with. It's not like you're buying the ending of Mass Effect 3, you'll be buying something that wasn't deemed good enough to be placed in the game in the first place.
I'd rather have the option to not pay for something that is unessential than be forced to pay something I'll get no use out of.
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
It's nae like that at all. It would be like a film being released and on same day a directors cut being released that was edited in between the film being completed, marketed and released and it cost more to see. You could watch the normal version for same money or pay extra to see the directors cut.
If this was DLC already on the disc that you paid to unlock it would be a different story. That would be like going in to see a film and 20 mins afore the end an usher coming round asking for more money or you couldn't see the rest of the film
*Or it's like what Dodo said
qSPARTANp on 23 Feb '12 said:
HI all,
DLC......If content has been created before the game ships it should be ON THE DISC! Day one DLC is WRONG! Imagine being being at the table when these guys are discussing what content they should leave out and NOT put on the disc at release so they can sell it to us on the Day of release or soon after, that is wrong, but if it is unlocked when you by the game new as an incentive, that is different. surely if you are trying to build the best most full experince you should ship all you have created or if it is not up to standard, chuck it in the bin. Working on DLC months after is again another matter, I am all for creating extra content but not at the expense of shipping an incomplete game to begin with. DLC is great if done properly, but is a slippery slope if ill-used. As we have seen there is to be Day 1 content for MASS EFFECT 3..............Lets wait 6 months and buy the reduced price "Complete Ultimate Mega Full Edition".
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
The point is that the DLC character is hugely important to the lore of the game.
I actually think it's hilarious that people seem to defend it. 'Oh PLEEEEEAAASSEE make me pay an extra ten pounds on day 1 to get the full cast of characters! PLEEEASSE!'
As I said in the other article, if the DLC is an important part of the game then it should be on the disc already, if it isn't and is just a random character who has nothing to do with anything then it is rubbish DLC. Either way it's bad.
ricflair on 23 Feb '12 said:
I'm not aware of any other industry where the customers are so happy to take such bulls**t practices from the creatives they love.
People just accepting it annoys me as much as the companies that do it.
And stop with the analogies that don't work. I'm just waiting for someone to compare it to Ford not giving you a spare Christmas tree air freshener or some s**t like that.
The game has an online one use code. Tie it to that if they have to.
apalmer28 on 23 Feb '12 said:
I'll guess we'll see if the size of the DLC is 108kb or not. That implies it's on the disc already and is simply an unlock (see Capcom DLC).
If that's the case then the EA accounts or whoever decide these things should be shot as it's the most cynical money milking there is.
If it's a substantial download then that makes Biowares story believable, but I don't see why everyone who buys a new copy shouldn't get it, like Zaeed in Mass Effect 2. I thought that was to reduce the second hand market sales.
The collectors edition is very nice, but I think people who want the game only should get all of the game that is available from day 1 included in the price of said new game, whether on disc or downloadable. Collectors editions should only include collectors items like statues, art books, t-shirts etc., not withheld elements of the game itself.
Just my 2 pence.
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
The only analogy I can make is that if you went into the pictures to watch star trek and some guy covered your eyes whenever Mr Spock appeared on the screen. 'No, that'll be ten pounds extra please'.
And if it's like deleted scenes who on earth would pay a tenner for deleted scenes?! That's even worse! That's a freebie with a dvd you don't have to pay extra.
They've made a right balls up here IMO, and to be honest I am sick of big game launches like this now. It seems to happen with everything.
Augustus_aka_AG on 23 Feb '12 said:
I'm amazed how patronising and critical some of the comments are about people complaining about DLC being released alongside a game. It's like buying a new CD, but finding out that if you want the 'complete' album you will have to download an additional two songs for an extra cost. Not only are you paying full price for a game, but you're also not being given all the content available at the time of purchase! Whereas waiting 6+ months for a GOTY edition will be considerably cheaper and will have the DLC bundled in. Those of you who think this type of marketing strategy is acceptable deserve to have your money taken off you.
Drusus on 23 Feb '12 said:
They can release thirty pieces of DLC on day one for all I care as long as the game they shipped has no glitches and bugs. Trouble is they'd rather make content we can pay for than fix the mess they created.
Once upon a time game makers fixed bugs and glitches to ship a perfect product now they fix a glitch if it causes too much bother in the paid for beta stage (launch to when people stop playing it) and leave the ones that don't cause too much trouble.
Developers who won't ship anything but perfection are now in to huge dev cycles that makes their publisher or owner come down hard on them and push them and the result is unfinished messes and the loss of great artists.
The industry needs to make room for visionaries as well as the Asda's and Tesco's of game making before it thinks of anymore ways it can increase the price of a finished game.
They've increased the price of games from £40 to £60 and as a gamer I could care less if the product was worth the extra but I picked up a copy of Street Fighter 3 Third Strike on the Dreamcast a few days ago and it could be sold today for full price.
gmcb007 on 23 Feb '12 said:
creedy gunts.
dicky1993 on 23 Feb '12 said:
buy it if you want it, stop whining like babies, if you cared so much you'd buy it, if you don't then your'e just fussing
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
They have? Where about?
Having gamed for 20+ years I would say they have reduced games from £60 to £40
slick loose on 23 Feb '12 said:
He's including the DLC price too.
filth87 on 23 Feb '12 said:
If you even bothered to read the article, the disc content was done 3 months before they started the DLC, that's why it's not on it.
Whether he's telling the truth or not is another thing, but try reading the article rather than just the headline before typing alot of s**te.
TheLastDodo on 23 Feb '12 said:
If the DLC is integral to the plot then there's a clear issue.
If the DLC is a basic side mission with no storyline reprecussions, or has zero relevance to the story of Mass Effect 3 then I don't see the problem. If it takes place inbetween Mass Effect 2 and 3 then no problem, if it takes place after the ending of Mass Effect 3 then again no problem.
Yes a lot of DLC is crap and isn't worth the money, thats why it's DLC, it's unnecessary content, content for those that NEED every little scrap of content they can get their hands on, but at least I'm given the choice to buy it if I want. I couldn't give a toss about watching deleted scenes in movies, but I'm still forced to buy them when I pick up a DVD.
ricflair on 23 Feb '12 said:
Well I didn't buy Arkham City out of principle and I really wanted that game. Although I expect I was in the vast minority.
Anyway... the argument about the game having gone gold in January is one thing, but even if they did finish the game early, they could always have put it in as a free code with every copy, include it as part of the download for the online pass, or heaven forbid, offer it for free with the inevitable early title update (that's not me having a go at the game being potentially glitched, just that a lot of games that work fine on the surface still have early updates).
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
Ah I get it now. Read it quickly 'cus am at work, was really confused as f**k there! Wis wondering where he stayed!
They defo do seem to be wanting to put games prices back up again. According to most analaysts this is only the start but probably gonna go way of the main game being cheaper but selling a s**t-load of add-on's. Or at least that's one school of thought. Can't see them staying at £40 either way though if am honest, development costs going sky high and yet they have remained at same price for a really long time.
Anyway I digress and it's nothing to do with story. Sorry for mistake drusus
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
@Dodo - I don't whether to agree or not. I get that if you can fully complete the game without it then it's okay. It's just reading about what the character is and where his mission takes place that bothers me. The character seems important to the overall story arch and the mission is in a really important place to do with the story over the 3 games too!
Thinking about it though if it was say a month after release then they put out a trailer for this DLC I would be on here shouting 'TAKE MY MONEY YOU BASTARDS!!'
It's just the day 1 thing that's annoyed me isn't it? I am a conflicted individual at present.
http://www.onlinecounseling.org/Ezinepics/conflicted_man.jpg
richomack360 on 23 Feb '12 said:
...sigh
I remember the days when I could just put a cartridge into a machine and it played, no glitches, bugs, online activations, online accounts, DLC, Elite versions, pre-order bonuses from different suppliers (not many anyway)
All getting rather messy now. I did pick up ME 2 way after its launch (then played ME1 also) and downloaded the DLC then, most of rubbish and not entirely relevant apart from the The Arrival, but it was still full price DLC....so why does DLC not reduce in price when games do ?
DLC is a very big cash cow when you think about it, nothing wrong with making money of course, so you can easily expect future models of games (and exisiting)to be a central Hub on a disc, then multiple DLC expansions after that. In my views there is nothing wrong with the quantity of DLC, just the quality of it and the timing....ok, most of ME2 DLC was vanity missions and things to flesh out the game, nothing really groundbreaking, so im expecting the same from ME3.
In short: If you like the universe/game and want additional content to flesh it out then download DLC, however if you are not bothered about side missions that take nothing from the main romp then dont download DLC
Shame though.
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
It's fit annoys the majority of folk about it I reckon. If they did like you said and pretended a month down the line they just made it, all the people complaining on here would be happy I would think or most anyway. For some people it seems that day one implies they are being ripped off but as I say nobody is forcing you to buy it and the game will play fine without it....I hope
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
It's actually not a tenner either, it's ten dollars so it's not as bad as I first feared.
Oh I am blatantly trying to make reasons to buy it aren't I?
It is proper dodgy though.
funkyjack on 23 Feb '12 said:
Since EA got their mits on Bioware, my love for the company has waned consierably over the years...
I played ME1 FIVE times! ME2 was great, but it just didn't feel as emotional or satisfying, it was missing depth. I hope ME3 has improved on this, and I've already pre-ordered the digital version on Origin, but I'm not excited on little bit.
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
That might have a lot to do with having to use Origin itself though.
I agree that ME2 almost felt like they where just stretching it out to make it a trilogy more than anything, but it was still very good. Hopefully they will be bringing back the armour and gun customisation of the first game.
You haven't posted here for aaages by the way Ratty. Hows it going?
sonic_uk on 23 Feb '12 said:
And that ladies and gentlemen pretty much sums up everything thats wrong with the insdustry today. Why not include it as a free download for those that bought the game, put a code card inside the box or email the codes to buyers. There is no excuse for this corporate greed.
TheLastDodo on 23 Feb '12 said:
Because then the millions of pre-owned buyers that are "entitled" to the exact same product as new buyers would have something to get all p**sy about
CrispyLog on 23 Feb '12 said:
Aren't they called b-sides which you only get from buying singles of the songs already on the album?
middle finger on 23 Feb '12 said:
Nerd.
TheLastDodo on 23 Feb '12 said:
If you're going to compare it to music:
It's like buying the CD/MP3 of an album on amazon, hmv, play etc then you go to iTunes and see there's an "iTunes exclusive track" for ex. a live version of an album track, tagged on the end of the album, for 79p.
While this DLC isn't exclusive (so far, we know what Sony & MS are like), it's supposedly the same principle, you buy the game to get the "complete package", the DLC is just the iTunes exclusive track for those that need to feed their Mass Effect fix.
Darkwun on 23 Feb '12 said:
ME was always going to be a trilogy and unfortunately ME2 suffers from "middle series syndrome." The characters have been built. the exposition and drama have been built. What's left is just 'continuation.' I enjoy what each brings to the table. I've just started a fourth Shep. My first is what decisions I would choose in reality. Then I have my Renegade, (but not straying too far into 'evil' territory) Shep. Then I have my middle ground anti-hero type. With the first there's much more interaction with your team and within the story with your Shep, but I find the more Sheps I make, the less disparities between my characters there are, and I play just for the joy of playing different classes. With ME2 I get to change things up more. Story isn't as good, but can change more things, choose to have more characters die (though i care about them less than Wrex Ash/Kaiden) and I guess I get a little bit of excitement knowing I'll be going into ME3 with hooj changes that will make each Shep totally different, so I enjoy both games almost equal
SiO on 23 Feb '12 said:
For me it's gonna depend on the cost of this 'DLC'. It should be <£5 imo.
Really it should be included with all preorders of the game as a DLC code (ala Catwoman in Batman:AC, Karkland in BF3 etc...). Jee if initial pressings were 'Limited Editions' and cost a fiver more I wouldn't mind. What I do mind is having to buy an expensive collectors edition, restricted to 1 retailer that has already sold out so unavailable on some formats or to pay overly inflated day 1 DLC prices to gain this content. Thats a bad way to treat day 1 purchasers.
The_KFD_Case on 23 Feb '12 said:
Agreed.
Also, honorary mention to Ricflair's comment immediately following the quoted one above. Spot on too in my opinion.
The_KFD_Case on 23 Feb '12 said:
Right on again IMO. I've spoken out about practices such as this before and back then there too were people tripping over themselves to defend and justify the actions of the companies involved. Look at the games industry now: It's become standard practice more or less and it is most certainly NOT to the benefit of the customer.
As another poster pointed out, DLC that comes out months later and which doesn't tamper with the main storyline in story driven games (which the Mass Effect games are) can be tolerated. Even if BioWare's claim that they worked really hard in between the main game being shipped and the release date to create this DLC is true, it still leaves a bad impression in my eyes and frankly I'm not sure I believe his story. I can not recall a time where I have been less enthused about the release of a BioWare game and I never thought it would turn out like this, but I have no plans on purchasing ME3 on release day short of some advantageous trade-in deal that favours me.
The_KFD_Case on 23 Feb '12 said:
Well written. I wonder if some of the more vocal apologists for this type of corporate behaviour would change their tune if all other industries were given free reign to behave this way and it became public knowledge (i.e. all sorts of sordid business practices already take place but pass under the radar of the public)? There are good reasons why oversight by governmental bodies, as well as watchdog groups, came to be in the past and there is certainly still a need for them today. Especially in the software/gaming industry it seems.
griffa94 on 23 Feb '12 said:
Does not bother me and I'd rather the DLC too soon than too late if I'm frank!
This is just another story that's escalated due to CVG and the hordes of wingers
Bioware FTW!
The_KFD_Case on 23 Feb '12 said:
Right there with you in regards to the highlighted text. After that we part ways for now; I do hope you find ME3 to be everything you wish it to be though. I barely tolerate Steam as it is and even then only when it's a blow-out discount sale (rental game-like "ownership" means I will only pay rental-like prices for the games in question). I have not used Origin but what little I have heard of it does not make it sound appealing to me whatsoever, then add to that that I have little reason to trust EA. As it stands I'm not sure I'd trust EA or BioWare for that matter, to lead me to lunch. Sort of shocking how BioWare has gone from being my favourite darling developer to loathed bastard child.
jdkoke on 23 Feb '12 said:
Being one o the more vocal ones I would say no I wouldn't because I don't think there is anything wrong wi it. I agree that some DLC practices (Capcom) are bad but in this case I don't see what the problem is.
Give me an example and I would be happy to debate it with you. Leaving work soon and I don't do forums/comments at home but will reply tha morn.
The example you quoted in this post I jus don't get. The main gripe was that you didn't get all available content at time of purchase but as said content wasn't made when the game went gold (as is common pratice in the games industry) you get all content that was intended for release. His example should be that you had to buy 2 songs that were not finished at time of albums release but were still part of it surely? You don't need them to enjoy the rest of the album but if you want the 'complete' package you buy them. And as he says if it's that much of a problem but you still want the DLC you could wait 6 months and buy the whole thing. Just seems like people complaining for complaining sake. You are still getting a 30+ hour game and the extra content is not vital to the working of it. If it was then it's a whole different story.
Like I said earlier a fair few commentators wouldn't bat an eyelid if they held off announcing it for a month, it seems to be the day one thing the bulk are complaining about.
As games are a retail item they would be covered by any of the reatil/consumer watchdogs as well as the various acts wouldn't they? And for the companies there are also watchdogs and acts that folk can complain to*
*If in the UK though so maybe a moot point
general-gaming on 23 Feb '12 said:
truth.
stand up for your consumer rights and buy the game used or rent it. teach bioware they cant screw off it's customers and expect this weak sauce press release to make it seem better.
why can't bioware just learn from valve when it comes to dlc?
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flash501 on 23 Feb '12 said:
Day one dlc should be free if you buy the game new. End of!
The more EA and other big name Publishers get away with, the more they will push their luck. In the space of only 6 months we've seen online passes introduced to just about every big name game. With the way things are going, I dread to think what they will have introduced in a year or so's time.
We'll see if those of you who are happy to bend over and pay for this on day one will be so understanding 12 months from now!
djreplay on 23 Feb '12 said:
Its blatantly going to be on the disc, they've probably been working on it for months as well, I'm not too bothered as ME isn't my thing but it would p**s me off if it was a game I liked.
general-gaming on 23 Feb '12 said:
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ACCESSALLAREAS on 23 Feb '12 said:
I have pre-ordered the standard edition of ME3 over a month before it's release and payment was taken on that day. While I appreciate that people have paid more for the deluxe/collectors edition it is a shame that I'm getting nothing extra as the game may not live up to the hype. If Bioware knew long ago that they were going to be releasing this day 1 dlc I would have liked to know about it earlier, as I may have bought the deluxe version instead.
I better get stocked up on the Bioware points as it now looks like I will be buying the N7 warfare pack and this dlc on day 1 (it's like pick 'n' mix).
icedmetal57 on 23 Feb '12 said:
So the game is content complete 3 months prior to release so that would mean they should be spending the rest of that time between then and launch fixing things not working on new content, in which case, why did they delay it? Since they did delay it, most likely to avoid releasing it at the same time as two big RPGs like Skyrim and SWTOR, if they delayed it for that reason and not just to fix bugs, glitches, etc. this day one DLC should have been included in the final product as part of the main package.
I personally am not that big a fan of the series, I have yet to finish the first Mass Effect so I am in no means going to buy this game any time soon. I just don't like the way this industry has been going. Milking the loyal customers of their money, releasing games prematurely to meet some arbitrary deadline set in by shareholders who have no idea how to make games and therefore wouldn't know that they take time to complete. The whole anti-piracy thing, combating it by including draconian DRM on PC games that hurt actual paying customers than pirates. So many problems with this industry. That of course isn't including any of the stale crap that comes out year after year.
slick loose on 23 Feb '12 said:
Where's El Mag to come in and break the tension with a funny quip or asking who the fittest sports reporter is!?
EL MAAAAAAAAAG!
sonic_uk on 23 Feb '12 said:
Aye, very true!
Mmmmgrolsch on 23 Feb '12 said:
100% agree. Basically Bioware said they had finished the game 100% and had nothing else to do so they made extra content. So when we all get the game there won't be a single fault with it because they felt that they accomplished a full finished game.
We all know how this goes. I love ME and seriously can't wait for this but I'm going to wait 3months minimum. When they've patched f**k out of it I'll buy it.
Also this DLC is all a load of total wank. People who wait 12months get every piece of DLC pretty much via the 'Finished Edition' yet the people who supported them from the start 'The day one buyers aka Beta Testers' get to pay over the odds and have to pay extra for their DLC.
It seems to me these devs have got their ideas the wrong way around!!! Day 1 should = get all DLC for free as a way of showing our gratitude for making us so rich and for being our Beta testers. Everyone else can pay.
Mmmmgrolsch on 23 Feb '12 said:
Talking of Arkham City, I got a free code off them for the Catwoman DLC. I emailed them saying my code didn't work so they sent me a knew one
Anyway my rental copy has arrived today, shame really as they would have had £40 off me if they weren't such t**ts.
CrispyLog on 23 Feb '12 said:
It's inevitable, we're just following the free-to-play model.
I've not bought any DLC for the Mass Effect series and got on fine with it, so I'll buy ME3 and not buy the DLC and still enjoy it without worrying about the DLC.
People vote with their wallets, and millions of gamers have paid for the COD Elite thing and COD still makes a billion every year.
Reegeee on 23 Feb '12 said:
Crispys right and to add to that it's all well and good having a big interest in games and following them on websites, but the vast majority of people buying this aren't those kind of people. I was annoyed as anyone about this but after having spoke to a few mates about it I'm now just resigned to the fact that this will be the way that it is.
Most people I know see this as 50 hours worth so they don't need to buy another game for 6 months. If they can buy an extra DLC straight away it's a bonus and should add a few more hours till BLOPS 2 comes out. Most of the guys I know are just coming to the end of Skyrim having only been playing that exclusively since launch and just see this as the 'next game'.
Serves us all right for being sad bastards I suppose.
The Bossman on 24 Feb '12 said:
The game's full enough as it is, every company has to make the decision at some point to say 'look, we've done as much as we can, let's finished production'. We know this game will be awesome and if you're looking forward to it as much as me you would have ordered the collectors edition months ago, which you get this DLC with.
Selavie on 24 Feb '12 said:
If it is a good dlc which contains side missions and an interesting story I will buy it,
but if it contains only MP maps or worse, like different appearances for the existing characters I won't buy it.
flash501 on 24 Feb '12 said:
So, basically, what you're saying is, "stop whinging and buy the collectors edition"?
To put up with all of this is one thing, but why would anyone actually defend what EA is doing here?
The Bossman on 25 Feb '12 said:
I'm not defending anything, if you use your brain and read my post properly, I'm saying if you're a fan you would have ordered the collectors edition already and wouldn't be annoyed at this news story. Why are you moaning about the content in a game you haven't played the full version of yet? You don't know how big it will be so your argument is invalid.
wgmail on 25 Feb '12 said:
Human here!
ricflair on 25 Feb '12 said:
If you're a fan, pay £70? That right there is one of the best examples of the acceptance of being f**ked over in this industry. The amount of money you spend doesn't equal how big a fan you are.
dwhlufc on 25 Feb '12 said:
So anyone who's really looking forward to it would of preordered the collectors edition you say?
I'm not sure everyone has £60-£70 to spend on a single game,I love films but I refuse to pay more than £10 for a film,some people obviously have more money than sense.
flash501 on 25 Feb '12 said:
I'm a big fan of Mass Effect and I haven't pre-ordered the Collectors Edition so that makes your argument invalid. Also, it shouldn't make a difference if the game is a thousand hours long, if you buy a game new, be it the standard edition or collectors edition, the publisher should be rewarding you by giving you day 1 dlc like this for free. As it is, EA are giving standard edition buyers a huge slap in the face. The Zaeed dlc was free for people who bought the standard edition of ME2, why are they now charging extra for the same thing now?!
And they have the cheek to complain about people buying their games second hand!
slick loose on 25 Feb '12 said:
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TheLastDodo on 25 Feb '12 said:
Yes it does, millions of CoD players that buy the map packs prove you wrong every year
Reegeee on 25 Feb '12 said:
How are you finding ME2 Dodo by the way? Anywhere near the end?
The problem for me is that I just HAVE to see what happens next.
If I'd got into it when it came out I reckon I'd be fine waiting for it to become cheap, but having only just completed it I just cannot wait for the final chapter.
nraged on 25 Feb '12 said:
I preordered ME3, allthough im a little miffed at bioware right now. Felt to me like they release SWTOR long before it was finished to cash in on sub fees while they finished it. Some of the bugs were just so obvious they couldn't have been unaware.. and some of them were pretty big.
Fr33Kye on 25 Feb '12 said:
Why should a publisher be rewarding you for buying a game new?
Why is everyone so entitled....it's getting weird.
Fr33Kye on 25 Feb '12 said:
That's not how it works. Quality assurance is a completely different thing to the people actually developing the game. So people may be working on dlc who otherwise would be sitting around doing nothing while bugs are being fixed.
And why should day 1 buyers get all dlc for free? I mean sure it would be wonderful if day one buyers got everything for free. It would be wonderful if anyone who bought mass effect 1 got 2 and 3 for free. It would be wonderful if anyone who bought a single bioware game ever got every subsequent game for free. That doesn't mean everyone is entitled to that. Do you know what your reward is for buying mass effect 3 day one? GETTING MASS EFFECT 3 DAY ONE.
flash501 on 26 Feb '12 said:
Well, EA, more than any other Publisher it seems, like to bitch about how the second hand market is evil and is killing the industry (like it doesn't exist in all walks of life!) if they wanted to combat the second hand market they could give this dlc away free to all the people who bought the game new, like they did with the Zaeed dlc in ME2, but no, they are far too greedy to do that. I wouldn't mind but there will obviously be several different dlc packs for this over the coming months where they can charge us whatever the hell they want and make another small fortune for themselves!
It seems to me that the majority of people are more than happy to put up with this practice because it's happening to a triple A title that they are looking forward to, much like what EA predicted would happen, no doubt.
Reegeee on 26 Feb '12 said:
The incentive to buy it new is the online play to be fair (Don't agree with that either). It annoyed me at first but it's either wait for the GOTY edition of everything or just grin and bare it.
Fr33Kye on 26 Feb '12 said:
Uhm. So think of it this way. EA could spend more money on free content for the people that buy new,which hasn't really been proven to encourage new sales and i doubt they would because the people that would care about free were likely buying it close to release anyway and those that dont are the kind that buy it used much later because they aren't incredibly interested, or they could put in an online pass and not affect new buyers but have used buyers pay for multiplayer. Would you prefer if EA took out a bit of the game and called it free dlc for new buyers? Or would you prefer an online pass? Or should EA bypass all of this and go full digital download?
Mattoto on 26 Feb '12 said:
I liked bioware before but since their DLC Madness with EA , i don't have any respect for them anymore , they are a bunch of money maker with passable games (SW TOR was a frightening example of this , and ME3 is the next.)
flash501 on 26 Feb '12 said:
Call me old fashioned but, when I pay €50 for a game on release day, I would prefer it if I received the full game, and not have to pay €10 extra for that "privelage"
TehSlenderMan on 26 Feb '12 said:
Releasing DLC on day one of a game is probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard... Give us time to play the game and give you our feedback before some kind of DLC.
Tiffosi on 26 Feb '12 said:
This is just...wrong.
evebrat on 27 Feb '12 said:
Il get all the DLC they make no mather what
illunada on 27 Feb '12 said:
Just Boycott this !
general-gaming on 28 Feb '12 said:
Why should a publisher be rewarding you for buying a game new?
it's simple business logic. it's not the consumers problem if they there's used games on the cheap. it's the publishers problem to win over customers so they buy their product direct. so publishers should work harder, not subjugate it's core customer market with what can only be called game taxes. they need to work harder if they intend to gain back customers in a very competitive market.
if freelance writers wish to manipulate the gaming community with dupe reports and fictious agenda articles convincing us that used games is hurting the industry then publishers should be taking the issue of used sales to the courts and let the law handle it. as it stands, the right to sell your own pocessions is legal, but publishers are trying to dupe gamers with digital game sales at full price which they can't lend or sell on.
again, it's not the customers problem or fault there's used games on the cheap or rental options.
The_KFD_Case on 29 Feb '12 said:
Nevermind. (Missing the "Delete" function.)
CrispyLog on 29 Feb '12 said:
So are Game
gmcb007 on 29 Feb '12 said:
GOD DAM YOU CRISPY! You beat me to it!
The Bossman on 29 Feb '12 said:
Those days are gone, and no amount of whingeing will change things. If it makes them more money which it does they won't change a thing.
apalmer28 on 8 Mar '12 said:
Well I don't want to say I told you so but someone has got to the bottom of Biowares Lies!
http://tbreak.com/megamers/54706/news/h ... ect-3-dlc/
Admittedly this is the PC version that has apparently been dissected, but still if it's on that one you can probably safely assume that the same corporate decision was made on the Xbox & PS3 version too.