"It's a beautiful machine, it's a great-looking piece of equipment, so I think Sony's going to be fine" - Mark Rein defends PS3.
"People think it's bad if they can't ship enough, and then they think it's bad if they can ship enough. It's like, which is it? Either they can't fulfill your order or they can, and they're both good.
"Being able to fulfill your order is good news, right? Go out and buy your PS3 now. You can get one. That's miraculous", Rein responded in a interview with Game Informer when asked if he thought Sony is in trouble.
"So as long as people are willing to pay the price for the machine-and I'm sure lots of people are-I think they're hopefully in a good situation. I think they've done a good job with their downloadable content. There's not a lot of games on there, but the ones that are there are really high quality, and I'm really impressed with the games. It's a beautiful machine, it's a great-looking piece of equipment, so I think Sony's going to be fine," Rein added.
"Hopefully, they'll have some big, hit must-have games... I think Sony's going to do great. People just want to say, it doesn't matter what, people just want to say bad things."
Well, with Unreal Tournament 3 coming to PS3, he's hardly going to stand up and say Sony's console is a steaming pile of doomed plop, is he?
Seriously, am I reading this wrong or did Mark Rein just tell the gaming world to stop bullying Sony because their console looks good and they're available to surplus?!!
What is he? Their big brother?
Aw, did the nasty gaming public hurt Sony's feelings? Let Mark Rein kiss it better.
There's a reason why it's available in the shops, Mark. Frankly, I'm surprised that a game developer would be more concerned with a console's outer appearance as opposed to its inner capabilities and workings.
Anyway, since it's the appearance that governs it's game playing ability now, does that mean that a George Foreman grill can play games at the same quality as the PS3? They both look the same.
No?! Guess that's Mark's argument gone then.
Give Sony a break, Mark. When you say stuff like that you make it look like the entire gaming public is anti-Sony AND, to make matters worse, that Sony can't handle creating any positivity about their console themselves.
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
"Great looking piece of equipment"?! Am I the only one that thinks this thing is ugly? It might be shiny but it's massive and a horrible shape... It's like a big fat bird wearing a posh dress.
"It's a beautiful machine, it's a great-looking piece of equipment, so I think Sony's going to be fine" - Mark Rein defends PS3.
Personally I think it looks horrible but that's a moot point, what does a consoles appearance have to do with its success may I ask? The PS2 was by far the most successful of the previous generation and, again in my opinion, was a very ugly machine. If good looks make a console great as he seems to be saying then surely the Wii, with its iPod like styling, should have this one in the bag.
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
If you can look past the price of a Lamborghini it's a great car, only it's petrol engine is more future proof than Sony's blu-ray technology. Guess which car I'm not getting in March either.
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
If you can look past the price of a Lamborghini it's a great car, only it's petrol engine is more future proof than Sony's blu-ray technology. Guess which car I'm not getting in March either.
Sorry but how do you know that blu-ray is going to flop? you got any spare crystal balls?
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
If you can look past the price of a Lamborghini it's a great car, only it's petrol engine is more future proof than Sony's blu-ray technology. Guess which car I'm not getting in March either.
Sorry but how do you know that blu-ray is going to flop? you got any spare crystal balls?
He didn't say it was going to be a flop - just that it might not be as future proof as everyone thinks. And yes, I have surplus stock of crystal balls, which no one wants at £425 a pop.
Sorry but how do you know that blu-ray is going to flop? you got any spare crystal balls?
...and how do you know it's not going to be a flop?
Nobody knows at this point which will be victorious, but historically, the winner has almost always been the cheaper to produce (so bigger profits for the film studios), and cheaper to buy for the consumers. At the moment hd-dvd is cheaper to manufacture, and major backing by the studios (most are producing on both formats to begin with).
Sony haven't got a great track record for this stuff either. They were the main backers of betamax and umd for example.
I reckon it'll be at least xmas before we get a clear indication of which format is edging ahead (maybe longer).
Why should anyone give Sony a break! no one ever gives nintendo a break, how can Sony relese such a big ugley monster like that and I hope it doesent sell as it guzzles electricty like Brit drinks tea which will mess up the planet even more, sony needs to wake up and finally realise less is more and efficency is the future, I mean raw horse power alone is fine but you will never ever see what that thing is capable of until the very very end of its life span, so if you think about it your only getting half of what your paying for and that price is too high.
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
If you can look past the price of a Lamborghini it's a great car, only it's petrol engine is more future proof than Sony's blu-ray technology. Guess which car I'm not getting in March either.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
another day, another major dev pledges allegiance to ps3. it wont be long before ps3, like ps2 and ps1 before it, level up an army of triple-A titles against 360 and wee.
another day, another major dev pledges allegiance to ps3. it wont be long before ps3, like ps2 and ps1 before it, level up an army of triple-A titles against 360 and wee.
Rodger That!!! give a year or so and people will see the true power of the PS3 as soon as devs start to unlock more power of the cell and use up more of the space on the blu ray format! Roll on March 23rd!!
Rodger That!!! give a year or so and people will see the true power of the PS3 as soon as devs start to unlock more power of the cell and use up more of the space on the blu ray format! Roll on March 23rd!!
March 23rd is only two months away, not 'a year or so' which is why, I assume (well, it's why I am anyway), most people are saying the PS3 is currently a rip. And I would take a guess that it will have dropped to a reasonable price by the time it has a few good games anyway.
and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
Rodger That!!! give a year or so and people will see the true power of the PS3 as soon as devs start to unlock more power of the cell and use up more of the space on the blu ray format! Roll on March 23rd!!
The only problem with that (as pointed out on another thread) is that in a year from now, yes, the PS3 devs will have had a year to get to grips with the hardware, but the Xbox360 devs will have also had another year...
It's a real shame that this Dev couldn't come up with any more positive elements than the appearance of the PS3 - despite all the comments slating the PS3, it is a well specced piece of hardware which has a lot of potential. Personally I think that Sony have done almost everything they could to give it the worst possible start to life, but essentially it is a competent (but incredibly expensive) piece of kit.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
Strange to read words of encouragement for the PS3... although they'd have been better had they detailed stuff like power/ease of game production, etc.
You know, I just had a thought. Reading most PS3 threads, you become aware of the massive amount of ill feeling toward Sony. I'd say to those who've slated Sony over the past few months; you will very probably be quoted like hell should the PS3 become a roaring success.
One of the issues that Sony have created for themselves is that they appear to have concentrated far too much time and effort on perfecting the hardware resulting in the wallet melting costs, nightmarish dev environments / dev tools & significant loss of exclusive titles - that and the huge delay in getting the damned thing to market...
Developing an exclusive title for the PS3 is a risk for any developer at the moment as there are not enough consoles out there to make it financially viable. If you're going to develop a multi platform title, chances are you'll keep costs down by making all versions as similar as possible - immediately removing any advantage that either PS3 or 360 has in terms of hardware. The 360, with however many million boxes sold already, is financially viable for exclusive titles - that and Microsoft are on a far better financial footing than Sony and have far deeper pockets, so are in a much better position to bail out the console should it need it. Sony can't afford a price cut for at least 18 months, Microsoft could almost afford to give the 360 away...
Without decent exclusive titles, what is the point or appeal of the PS3?
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
It really makes no difference what gen the storage is does it? Can you tell? When you're playing NFS:Carbon, does the PS3 version feel any different simply because it's on a blu-ray disk? Stop talking such utter nonsense...
i like his little pop at all the fanboys, since they complain first of all because sony cant ship a lot of consoles, and when they do manage to, theyre complaing saying no one wants to buy one just because theres a lot been manufacturerd! madness!
IMO he is 100% right! the only thing wrong with the PS3 is the price. If you can look past the price of it the PS3 is a great console and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!
If you can look past the price of a Lamborghini it's a great car, only it's petrol engine is more future proof than Sony's blu-ray technology. Guess which car I'm not getting in March either.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
1. Blu-Ray is still uncertain. Especially now that a certain industry, largely believed responsible for the victory of VHS over Betamax, has adopted HD-DVD. 2. HD-DVD now has a 51GB capacity disk. 3. HD-DVD players are half the price of Blu-Ray. (Money talks) 4. Your assumption that I'm talking from a viewpoint of fanaticism is badly misplaced. I have all four formats from last generation (including the Dreamcast). I bought my PS2 when there was enough games and a reasonable enough price to justify it. 5. My viewpoints about the PS3 are not just based upon the imposed Blu-Ray format. I also have issues with the fact that in order to complete the console they had to abandon the full nine spu Cell processor. They broke with their original vision and put in an off-the-shelf GPU which was not designed with the Cell's architecture in mind. They limited the memory usage to only 256mb for graphics processing instead of giving the choice of usage to the developer. They paralised the Cell by neglecting to give it enough bandwidth to work alongside it's GPU at max ability. They further limited the Cell's max ability by limiting the developer's access to only six SPUs. They repetitively tried to argue that the parallelism offered by the Cell processor will have a massive improvement on games when in fact IBM are still uncertain as to how to utilise the cell processor. And a research level software engineer will tell you that any form of concurrent and synchronised thread processing is a nightmare to engage with. The Cell architecture is good for running several movies simultaneously or viewing several channels at once in thumbnail digital TV navigation (which coincidentally was an original proposed objective for it's design). However, it is not good for games development. Thus the difficulty that game developers are referring to.
The best reason to buy a console is because there are certain games you want to play. How many wanted games add up to a need to buy the PS3 is upto the individual gamer. In your case that's apparently two.
I don't see much value in any of their launch titles at the minute and so see no point in buying the console until there are enough substantial titles to warrant me purchasing it. However, I must weigh my desire to play these games with a realism about the cost of my hobby in a larger world of necessities.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
On "a" next gen format not "the" being the operative word here. It's a very expensive uncertainty. Especially considering that digital distribution online is already having quite a successful impact.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
Surely you should just want better games rather than bigger. Also, I'm sure the PC has (and probably will for some time) been doing a pretty good job at massive games with CD and DVD. It amazes me how people are too lazy to get up and swap a disk every 20 hours or so. And we all know what all that extra space is really going to be used for...
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
Surely you should just want better games rather than bigger. Also, I'm sure the PC has (and probably will for some time) been doing a pretty good job at massive games with CD and DVD. It amazes me how people are too lazy to get up and swap a disk every 20 hours or so. And we all know what all that extra space is really going to be used for...
... Three hours of Solid Snake cut scenes anyone?
Absolutely, plus you have to take into account that because of the Blu-Ray's poor read time, Oblivion has already had to have its data doubled up on the disk in order to be read directly into the game without buffering issues.
Rodger That!!! give a year or so and people will see the true power of the PS3 as soon as devs start to unlock more power of the cell and use up more of the space on the blu ray format! Roll on March 23rd!!
The blu-ray drive (X2) in the PS3 is just a tiny bit slower than the DVD drive (X9) in the 360. So if the games are larger its going to take longer to pull the data of the disc!! instead of "This is living" the PR team should have "This is loading" as their tag line for the PS3.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
I am not sure that you will get bigger games in the PS3 than in the Xbox 360. It is true that the blu-ray discs have great data capacity, but I read the PS3 drive is slow and developers like Bethesda (Oblivion) had to duplicate game data in order to lower loading times. http://www.playfeed.com/index.php/playfeed/article/oblivion-developer-blu-ray-is-slower-01201337/ to see "Oblivion Developer: Blu-ray is slower"
I mostly agree with g_marrs, except that i think the way they are using (see: Ripping off) their loyal fanbase to launch a media format is disgraceful and ample reason to hate them.
Also point of fact: WoW The Burning Crusade launched on CDs.
HD-DVD is as good as dead .In the Ces it had minimal support and even its sole exclusive company (Universal ) didnt announce a single film.Blu Ray camp ,in the other corner ,was in full ebullition ...hundreds of movies announced ,the better codecs licensed ,the 200Gb Br unveiled ....
Porn isnt going to HD-DVD ...thats the usual FUD strategy of Microsoft and in this time against the PS3 .Vivid Entertaintment ,number one in the porn business ,is supporting exclusively the BR .
Just to add some data look at the amazon movies sales ....amazon was usually a stronghold of HD-DVD and even there the BR is already winning 2:1 and 3:1 ...
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
BR has bigger support and more movies in the pipeline ,many exclusives ,the stanalone players have been price cut and the PS3 is cheaper than any HD-DVD player ,the movies cost the same and the BR has better storage and durability ....
Everything is possible but right now for the HD-DVD to win the battle would be like Bolton stealing the Premier from the Manchester United ....
As for the Mark Rein words ....most people that have the machine reckons it is very well built and beautiful ...people that reckon it is ugly are usually people that the closer have seen one is in a photo in their computer .
HD-DVD is as good as dead .In the Ces it had minimal support and even its sole exclusive company (Universal ) didnt announce a single film.Blu Ray camp ,in the other corner ,was in full ebullition ...hundreds of movies announced ,the better codecs licensed ,the 200Gb Br unveiled ....
Porn isnt going to HD-DVD ...thats the usual FUD strategy of Microsoft and in this time against the PS3 .Vivid Entertaintment ,number one in the porn business ,is supporting exclusively the BR .
Just to add some data look at the amazon movies sales ....amazon was usually a stronghold of HD-DVD and even there the BR is already winning 2:1 and 3:1 ...
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
BR has bigger support and more movies in the pipeline ,many exclusives ,the stanalone players have been price cut and the PS3 is cheaper than any HD-DVD player ,the movies cost the same and the BR has better storage and durability ....
HD-DVD is as good as dead .In the Ces it had minimal support and even its sole exclusive company (Universal ) didnt announce a single film.Blu Ray camp ,in the other corner ,was in full ebullition ...hundreds of movies announced ,the better codecs licensed ,the 200Gb Br unveiled ....
Porn isnt going to HD-DVD ...thats the usual FUD strategy of Microsoft and in this time against the PS3 .Vivid Entertaintment ,number one in the porn business ,is supporting exclusively the BR .
Just to add some data look at the amazon movies sales ....amazon was usually a stronghold of HD-DVD and even there the BR is already winning 2:1 and 3:1 ...
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
BR has bigger support and more movies in the pipeline ,many exclusives ,the stanalone players have been price cut and the PS3 is cheaper than any HD-DVD player ,the movies cost the same and the BR has better storage and durability ....
what a load of piffle.
Just because you dont like it doesnt signify it isnt like that .I will give you some more data ...
I'm not arguing your data, and at the moment I have no interest in HD-DVD or Blu Ray I'm perfectly happy with my progressive scan DVD player, I just think dumb consumers will want HD-DVD DVD players because it has the term "HD" in it, and all of Sony's previous formats have failed miserably....Blu Ray could be different, but I am yet to be convinced.
I thought Sony were not going to allow porno's on Bluray?
Anyway not that I give a toss about that but the whole Mark Rein saying what he said is because his company have a vested financial interest in PS3 with Unreal tourny 3 to be released on the platform & bottom line they want big sales of the game on all platforms, so he is hardly likely to slag it off is he
I thought Sony were not going to allow porno's on Bluray?
Anyway not that I give a toss about that but the whole Mark Rein saying what he said is because his company have a vested financial interest in PS3 with Unreal tourny 3 to be released on the platform & bottom line they want big sales of the game on all platforms, so he is hardly likely to slag it off is he
Besides, do we want to place faith in the opinion of a developer that can't count past 3?
Ok firstly English_Crusader you're a first class t**t. Defending the PS3 to death like it is perfect (Which no console is) and making claims about it that just aren't true.
The PS3 has some potential but it really needs its price fixed, and i think it was a mistake for Sony to put Blu Ray in it, i don't want it and don't want to pay for it. I can't really see any games using a full disk, or 20+ GB. Which is 2/3 DVD's are you that lazy you can't change disks now? Also Blu ray reads slower so it will just cause even worse loading times.
I'll tell you why i don't want a PS3 - price - too high. Games - no exclusives what so ever that interest me. Most important though is that bloody joypad, i've always hated the Playstation joypad, it's been the worse designed for the last 2 generations, it's uncomfortable to hold and play with for long periods. The analogue sticks are p**s poor and feel far too loose or something. Instead of trying to improve it, Sony just use the exact same shape (Which is bad) take off rumble and tac on a second rate motion sensing idea to try and compete with the Wii's control.
For £450 i would at least expect a joypad that's comforable to use and the best of any other console as it's the actual thing you're using all the time. Also Mark Reid here is mostly talking about how good the actual console looks, i think it looks bad and too chunky, worst design of this generation again.
"It's a beautiful machine, it's a great-looking piece of equipment, so I think Sony's going to be fine"
just what i have said all along, its not as nice and small as the wii, (probably down to double the power) granted, but it sure better than the 360 design, and its noisy ass drive.
I'm not arguing your data, and at the moment I have no interest in HD-DVD or Blu Ray I'm perfectly happy with my progressive scan DVD player, I just think dumb consumers will want HD-DVD DVD players because it has the term "HD" in it, and all of Sony's previous formats have failed miserably....Blu Ray could be different, but I am yet to be convinced.
And funkyjack gets the forum award of thinking like a typical british customer, Kudos to you, most people don't have a HD telly and don't plan to upgrade for a while yet and therefore to you average UK Joe the whole HD wars is pointless.
While your data is all good Diomedes1977 firstly its not about sales in the uk and secondly there appears to be no listings for DVD sales, downloaded movie sales compared to either of the formats.
HD-DVD is as good as dead .In the Ces it had minimal support and even its sole exclusive company (Universal ) didnt announce a single film.Blu Ray camp ,in the other corner ,was in full ebullition ...hundreds of movies announced ,the better codecs licensed ,the 200Gb Br unveiled ....
Porn isnt going to HD-DVD ...thats the usual FUD strategy of Microsoft and in this time against the PS3 .Vivid Entertaintment ,number one in the porn business ,is supporting exclusively the BR .
Just to add some data look at the amazon movies sales ....amazon was usually a stronghold of HD-DVD and even there the BR is already winning 2:1 and 3:1 ...
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
BR has bigger support and more movies in the pipeline ,many exclusives ,the stanalone players have been price cut and the PS3 is cheaper than any HD-DVD player ,the movies cost the same and the BR has better storage and durability ....
Everything is possible but right now for the HD-DVD to win the battle would be like Bolton stealing the Premier from the Manchester United ....
As for the Mark Rein words ....most people that have the machine reckons it is very well built and beautiful ...people that reckon it is ugly are usually people that the closer have seen one is in a photo in their computer .
Good to see that someone in this fourm has some brains! mate if i could give you a Kudos point i would! Blu-ray will win hands down as it has the most backers and that is FACT. When will the fanboys learn
what people need to realise is that blu ray for all its critics is superior to hd dvd and will win the format wars just look at the decision by microsoft to not include it as standard in the 360. the same people saying that they dont want blu ray to play games on are the same people that would have said 20 years ago that a 1gb hdd was more than anyone would ever need. blue dragon comes on 4 dvd discs and this is only a year after the launch of 360 what are games gonna be like in 2-3 years time. wake up and smell the coffee games will get bigger. and yes better graphics bigger levels does equals more storage needed. i remember playing final fantasy 8-9 with half the world map missing on disc 3-4, unaccessible once a point in the game was reached. whole towns and cities lying dormant. it was a pain in the bottom then and it would be a pain in the bottom now.
Ok firstly English_Crusader you're a first class t**t. Defending the PS3 to death like it is perfect (Which no console is) and making claims about it that just aren't true.
The PS3 has some potential but it really needs its price fixed, and i think it was a mistake for Sony to put Blu Ray in it, i don't want it and don't want to pay for it. I can't really see any games using a full disk, or 20+ GB. Which is 2/3 DVD's are you that lazy you can't change disks now? Also Blu ray reads slower so it will just cause even worse loading times.
I'll tell you why i don't want a PS3 - price - too high. Games - no exclusives what so ever that interest me. Most important though is that bloody joypad, i've always hated the Playstation joypad, it's been the worse designed for the last 2 generations, it's uncomfortable to hold and play with for long periods. The analogue sticks are p**s poor and feel far too loose or something. Instead of trying to improve it, Sony just use the exact same shape (Which is bad) take off rumble and tac on a second rate motion sensing idea to try and compete with the Wii's control.
For £450 i would at least expect a joypad that's comforable to use and the best of any other console as it's the actual thing you're using all the time. Also Mark Reid here is mostly talking about how good the actual console looks, i think it looks bad and too chunky, worst design of this generation again.
If you don't want a ps3 fine!! but people who do want one don't need to hear you cry like a little bit*h " no good games,the console is ugly,the joypad sucks, Sony raped my ass" BLAH BLAH BLAH nobody cares get back to your school work kid and stop posting utter crap on this fourm!
Rich coming from you, who posts Sonys praises all over the place, PS3 forum or not. And maybe you should get back to your homework, your 14+ exams are only a few years away.
If you don't want a ps3 fine!! but people who do want one don't need to hear you cry like a little bit*h " no good games,the console is ugly,the joypad sucks, Sony raped my ass" BLAH BLAH BLAH nobody cares get back to your school work kid and stop posting utter crap on this fourm!
people might listen to you more if you weren't such an ignorant sony lover...try balancing your views more - everything sony does gives me a hard on is not a good argument or way of criticising other peoples views...
If you don't want a ps3 fine!! but people who do want one don't need to hear you cry like a little bit*h " no good games,the console is ugly,the joypad sucks, Sony raped my ass" BLAH BLAH BLAH nobody cares get back to your school work kid and stop posting utter crap on this fourm!
people might listen to you more if you weren't such an ignorant sony lover...try balancing your views more - everything sony does gives me a hard on is not a good argument or way of criticising other peoples views...
I am not a ignorant Sony lover in fact i play most of my games on my P.C! IMO Sony has the best console! why should I say the 360 is a GREAT console when i think it's a rushed let down and more last gen than Next gen! don't get me wrong it has some good games and live is a good online service I just think the PS3 is the best for me! So stop busting my balls FFS I like Sony and want a PS3......Sue me
I'm not arguing your data, and at the moment I have no interest in HD-DVD or Blu Ray I'm perfectly happy with my progressive scan DVD player, I just think dumb consumers will want HD-DVD DVD players because it has the term "HD" in it, and all of Sony's previous formats have failed miserably....Blu Ray could be different, but I am yet to be convinced.
Well the difference here is that Br is not only a Sony-format as the Beta or the UMD .The Beta could only be manufactured by Sony and Sony allowed the companies to release the films in it (and it neglected porn for example ) .With the UMD it was about the same ..the only hardware that can read UMD is the Sony PSP so it was Beta version 2.0 expect for it doing much worse due to the fact that nobody wants to pay full price to buy a film they only can see in the PSp screen.In both cases the readers were manufactured and distributed only by Sony .
Blu Ray ,on the other hand ,is partially Sony but in fact is a complete association that reunites the top manufacturers (except Toshiba of course ).Many enterprises unite their strenght ,many standalone players will be released and compite in the market reducing their prices ,the markets were one concrete manufacturer isnt strong will be taken by other one.Sony ,Dell and Apple in their own markets will spread the format into the consoles and the PC .The synergistic forces of all these manufacturers give the Blu Ray an edge ...more people are producing it (lowering costs with the time ) ,researching in it ( 200 Gb already developed ) and producing it.Plus ,being an association means Sony or another company cant hurt the product with arbitrary decisions (as banning porn ) because that would to be accorded by the BR Association ....news as the porn-banning one only demonstrates the FUD actually surrounding the PS3 right now (and probably spread by Microsoft in their usual dirty ways in marketing )..
All this ,of course ,would be totally useless it it hadnt studios support .But it isnt the case ,it has 7 out of 8 studios out there four of them producing exclusively for it (and Universal rumored to jump in BR as well ) .
HD-DVD ,now ,is the Beta of this generation .It is manufactured solely by Toshiba and has less support (4 out of 8 ...only 1 exclusive and for little time ) just as the Beta and UMD were .Its only advantages were the price ones and those are waning in the light of price cuts by BR manufacturers and the PS3 of 499 dollars (in Europe the cheap version will have to wait ) .
Maybe you arent interested in HD movies .I am .But even not being interested the resolution of this war is interesting as it will mark the PS3 as a do-it-all console or simply a games console who plays movies in a near-defunct format .And the first one is the one that is cristalizing right now .....with comparable prices ,the same codecs ,the PS3 push ,more support from movies studios ,sales already exceding the HD-DVD ones and better technical specs all in the PS3 favour the war isnt even a fair one .
If you don't want a ps3 fine!! but people who do want one don't need to hear you cry like a little bit*h " no good games,the console is ugly,the joypad sucks, Sony raped my ass" BLAH BLAH BLAH nobody cares get back to your school work kid and stop posting utter crap on this fourm!
people might listen to you more if you weren't such an ignorant sony lover...try balancing your views more - everything sony does gives me a hard on is not a good argument or way of criticising other peoples views...
I am not a ignorant Sony lover in fact i play most of my games on my P.C! IMO Sony has the best console! why should I say the 360 is a GREAT console when i think it's a rushed let down and more last gen than Next gen! don't get me wrong it has some good games and live is a good online service I just think the PS3 is the best for me! So stop busting my balls FFS I like Sony and want a PS3......Sue me
You keep saying the 360 is a rushed console? What leads you to think that? From what I'm seen it's the best all-rounder but I don't see how it's rushing in my opinion.
Ok firstly English_Crusader you're a first class t**t. Defending the PS3 to death like it is perfect (Which no console is) and making claims about it that just aren't true.
The PS3 has some potential but it really needs its price fixed, and i think it was a mistake for Sony to put Blu Ray in it, i don't want it and don't want to pay for it. I can't really see any games using a full disk, or 20+ GB. Which is 2/3 DVD's are you that lazy you can't change disks now? Also Blu ray reads slower so it will just cause even worse loading times.
I'll tell you why i don't want a PS3 - price - too high. Games - no exclusives what so ever that interest me. Most important though is that bloody joypad, i've always hated the Playstation joypad, it's been the worse designed for the last 2 generations, it's uncomfortable to hold and play with for long periods. The analogue sticks are p**s poor and feel far too loose or something. Instead of trying to improve it, Sony just use the exact same shape (Which is bad) take off rumble and tac on a second rate motion sensing idea to try and compete with the Wii's control.
For £450 i would at least expect a joypad that's comforable to use and the best of any other console as it's the actual thing you're using all the time. Also Mark Reid here is mostly talking about how good the actual console looks, i think it looks bad and too chunky, worst design of this generation again.
u are even a bigger and more loose t**t than english_crusader ever can be. NO EXCLUSIVE??? How about killzone, motorstorm, heavenly sword, mgs, resistance, lair, Formula 1 CE???? these are just to name a few... who knows how many they will bring befor the end of 2007??? no games ever using 20+GB?? are u insane or what?? resistance which is not only the first gen game on ps3 but probably the first game made specifically for ps3 and it is already using 18+GB. i guess. btw, ur ex nintendo darlings factor 5 are most dissappointed with wii so they are making lair only for ps3 because of the motion sensing. blu-ray may read slower than dvds, but the packet size on the blu-ray is alot bigger than those on the dvds. i guess u are just too happy to play 4 hour long single player campaigns on Gears because the dev used all 4.7 gbs in filling polys and textures and other graphics engine stuff and didnt have any space left for content. so u are simply content in downloading stuff from live and paying for it. it is certainly weird to see the people who are whining most about ps3 ( the euros) are the ones who dont actually have the system and ur opinions are just soooo introverted. i am beginning to think that the chimera had a point when they took over europe!!!
u are even a bigger and more loose t**t than english_crusader ever can be. NO EXCLUSIVE??? How about killzone, motorstorm, heavenly sword, mgs, resistance, lair, Formula 1 CE???? these are just to name a few... who knows how many they will bring befor the end of 2007??? no games ever using 20+GB?? are u insane or what?? resistance which is not only the first gen game on ps3 but probably the first game made specifically for ps3 and it is already using 18+GB. i guess. btw, ur ex nintendo darlings factor 5 are most dissappointed with wii so they are making lair only for ps3 because of the motion sensing. blu-ray may read slower than dvds, but the packet size on the blu-ray is alot bigger than those on the dvds. i guess u are just too happy to play 4 hour long single player campaigns on Gears because the dev used all 4.7 gbs in filling polys and textures and other graphics engine stuff and didnt have any space left for content. so u are simply content in downloading stuff from live and paying for it. it is certainly weird to see the people who are whining most about ps3 ( the euros) are the ones who dont actually have the system and ur opinions are just soooo introverted. i am beginning to think that the chimera had a point when they took over europe!!!
Constant babbling? Lousy spelling? Poor use of grammar and punctuation? You gotta be a Sony fanboy.
Well the difference here is that Br is not only a Sony-format as the Beta or the UMD .The Beta could only be manufactured by Sony and Sony allowed the companies to release the films in it (and it neglected porn for example ) .With the UMD it was about the same ..the only hardware that can read UMD is the Sony PSP so it was Beta version 2.0 expect for it doing much worse due to the fact that nobody wants to pay full price to buy a film they only can see in the PSp screen.In both cases the readers were manufactured and distributed only by Sony .
Blu Ray ,on the other hand ,is partially Sony but in fact is a complete association that reunites the top manufacturers (except Toshiba of course ).Many enterprises unite their strenght ,many standalone players will be released and compite in the market reducing their prices ,the markets were one concrete manufacturer isnt strong will be taken by other one.Sony ,Dell and Apple in their own markets will spread the format into the consoles and the PC .The synergistic forces of all these manufacturers give the Blu Ray an edge ...more people are producing it (lowering costs with the time ) ,researching in it ( 200 Gb already developed ) and producing it.Plus ,being an association means Sony or another company cant hurt the product with arbitrary decisions (as banning porn ) because that would to be accorded by the BR Association ....news as the porn-banning one only demonstrates the FUD actually surrounding the PS3 right now (and probably spread by Microsoft in their usual dirty ways in marketing )..
All this ,of course ,would be totally useless it it hadnt studios support .But it isnt the case ,it has 7 out of 8 studios out there four of them producing exclusively for it (and Universal rumored to jump in BR as well ) .
HD-DVD ,now ,is the Beta of this generation .It is manufactured solely by Toshiba and has less support (4 out of 8 ...only 1 exclusive and for little time ) just as the Beta and UMD were .Its only advantages were the price ones and those are waning in the light of price cuts by BR manufacturers and the PS3 of 499 dollars (in Europe the cheap version will have to wait ) .
Maybe you arent interested in HD movies .I am .But even not being interested the resolution of this war is interesting as it will mark the PS3 as a do-it-all console or simply a games console who plays movies in a near-defunct format .And the first one is the one that is cristalizing right now .....with comparable prices ,the same codecs ,the PS3 push ,more support from movies studios ,sales already exceding the HD-DVD ones and better technical specs all in the PS3 favour the war isnt even a fair one .
thanks for the info, certainly sheds some new light on the debate as I wasn't aware of the formats backers etc. if its not a sony exclusive it does stand a much better chance..we shall see i guess
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
So you really think they put blu-ray on for games?
Dont you even consider it a possibility that SONY just used the PS3 as a vehicle to get the new format into homes...at cost to the PS3 paying punters.
I suppose you could argue that just as a blu-ray player its quite good value. But in my book nothing is a bargain unless you really wanted it in the first place.
1. Blu-Ray is still uncertain. Especially now that a certain industry, largely believed responsible for the victory of VHS over Betamax, has adopted HD-DVD. 2. HD-DVD now has a 51GB capacity disk. 3. HD-DVD players are half the price of Blu-Ray. (Money talks) 4. Your assumption that I'm talking from a viewpoint of fanaticism is badly misplaced. I have all four formats from last generation (including the Dreamcast). I bought my PS2 when there was enough games and a reasonable enough price to justify it. 5. My viewpoints about the PS3 are not just based upon the imposed Blu-Ray format. I also have issues with the fact that in order to complete the console they had to abandon the full nine spu Cell processor. They broke with their original vision and put in an off-the-shelf GPU which was not designed with the Cell's architecture in mind. They limited the memory usage to only 256mb for graphics processing instead of giving the choice of usage to the developer. They paralised the Cell by neglecting to give it enough bandwidth to work alongside it's GPU at max ability. They further limited the Cell's max ability by limiting the developer's access to only six SPUs. They repetitively tried to argue that the parallelism offered by the Cell processor will have a massive improvement on games when in fact IBM are still uncertain as to how to utilise the cell processor. And a research level software engineer will tell you that any form of concurrent and synchronised thread processing is a nightmare to engage with. The Cell architecture is good for running several movies simultaneously or viewing several channels at once in thumbnail digital TV navigation (which coincidentally was an original proposed objective for it's design). However, it is not good for games development. Thus the difficulty that game developers are referring to.
The best reason to buy a console is because there are certain games you want to play. How many wanted games add up to a need to buy the PS3 is upto the individual gamer. In your case that's apparently two.
I don't see much value in any of their launch titles at the minute and so see no point in buying the console until there are enough substantial titles to warrant me purchasing it. However, I must weigh my desire to play these games with a realism about the cost of my hobby in a larger world of necessities.
either ur post is intentionally misleading or u dont know jack about the cell. first of all, cell has 8, not 9, SPEs and not SPUs. know the diff between "Synergistic Processing Element" and the "Streaming Process Unit". There is only single SPU and 8 SPEs (1 Redundant) on the cell. As for the issue with the RAM, sony has gone on record several times that it is upto the dev to use either the 256mb of RAM on the GPU or all the 512 Combined RAM on both the cell and the RSX. i guess what u are quoting is from peter moore's interviews on many sites where he is repeatedly spreading rumors about the 'binding' of RAM on the PS3!!! Bandwiths;-- the NET bus speed of the EIB (Enhanced Interconnect Bus) on the cell is 200Gb/sec. And yes, parrallelism on the cell does and will give a significant advantage for game devs as they can assign individual task libraries to each SPE for all aspects of the game engine. As far as the IBM's uncertainity about Cell's usage than they are already using Cell BE (Broadband Engine) to power up their bladepro servers. Toshiba, the third partner is using it to power its home theater systems and high def screens. As far as the RSX and Cell's compatibility is concerned, if u were to make a gfx card that would be able to supplement the cell properly, then it would take the price of the console even higher, nevertheless, nVidia has already gone on record that it is more powerfull than two 6800GTXs put together. that being said, the Cell itself is sufficient enough to do real time volumetric calculations when rendering with calcs going TeraFLOPs. See the presentation of '8 days' on IGN. All in all, the Cell is indeed very very robust and adaptive system to develop for. It is using optimized AltiVec codes which are native for many devs.
HD-DVD may be storing 51GB, but they are still based on the plain old IR laser read system, and there is absolutely no way u can read that much data from the existing media read system without lowering the wavelength (like blu-ray does) of the laser itself. trying to do otherwise can lead to damaged discs or burnt lenses, who knows. HD-DVDs players are cheaper because 1) the media is not gathering much support in the movie studios, that where the player will serve their purpose. 2) All said and done, its still old technology! the rest of ur post about 'not enough game' and 'too pricey' is pure ignorance on ur part!!
Constant babbling? Lousy spelling? Poor use of grammar and punctuation? You gotta be a Sony fanboy.
unsubstantiated flak for the ps3 even when u might not have even the console? gee u must be a typical 360 zombie. btw, i didnt realise that i was taking an online 10th grade english test when posting on these forms, what with my grammar and all. oh i guess u people call it GCSE in poor ol' blighty. so devoid of ps3 and so full 360 HAHHAHAHHA!!
Constant babbling? Lousy spelling? Poor use of grammar and punctuation? You gotta be a Sony fanboy.
unsubstantiated flak for the ps3 even when u might not have even the console? gee u must be a typical 360 zombie. btw, i didnt realise that i was taking an online 10th grade english test when posting on these forms, what with my grammar and all. oh i guess u people call it GCSE in poor ol' blighty. so devoid of ps3 and so full 360 HAHHAHAHHA!!
Now there was me all impressed by your previous post on PS3 technical merits, and you go and spoil it with s**te like this.
So you really think they put blu-ray on for games?
Dont you even consider it a possibility that SONY just used the PS3 as a vehicle to get the new format into homes...at cost to the PS3 paying punters.
I suppose you could argue that just as a blu-ray player its quite good value. But in my book nothing is a bargain unless you really wanted it in the first place.
oh no!! maybe they invested a billion dollars in the R&D of the most powerful console available and a revolutionary new media format just so that people would end up buying their Bravias!! i mean c'mon people, i am talking to everyone on this forum, atleast try and sound a little sensible when writing ur comments. why take every thing that sony does as another conspiracy to rip consumers off? heck, if u watch a movie on blu-ray disc u'd wanna buy a HDTV urself without any persuasion on sony's part!
Now there was me all impressed by your previous post on PS3 technical merits, and you go and spoil it with s**te like this.
thanks for reading both my posts and liking and not liking them. nothing against britain or anything, but i was most p**sed when that shadowbrassier guy couldnt come up with nothing else but to pick on my english (or admittedly, the lack thereof). u know, doomthree, a few days ago this forum was all lit up with praise for epic when some guy from that company was saying bad stuff about ps3 and today the 360 and some wii fans are dissing the same company that brought them Gears of War which they are oh so proud to have. its really funny, and goes on to show the integrity of the people who are posting here!! i hope u understand my point of view (friendly)
So you really think they put blu-ray on for games?
Dont you even consider it a possibility that SONY just used the PS3 as a vehicle to get the new format into homes...at cost to the PS3 paying punters.
I suppose you could argue that just as a blu-ray player its quite good value. But in my book nothing is a bargain unless you really wanted it in the first place.
oh no!! maybe they invested a billion dollars in the R&D of the most powerful console available and a revolutionary new media format just so that people would end up buying their Bravias!! i guess that should make even sense to you, einstein!!!
Steady on old chap...thats not how we behave in dear old blighty you know.
Whether its the most powerful console in the world remains to be seen, I hope it proves to be so. I prefer to judge this on the quality of software that is released, not spec.
There are other genius developers (just like you I'm sure) who have gone on record to state despite the excelent CPU, the 360's GPU, Dev tools and general architecture makes for an easier time writing the games.
And of course, SONY used PS3 to promote blu-ray. Games could manage without it.
But if you want a blu-ray player and a games console for a good price get a PS3.
Now there was me all impressed by your previous post on PS3 technical merits, and you go and spoil it with s**te like this.
thanks for reading both my posts and liking and not liking them. nothing against britain or anything, but i was most p**sed when that shadowbrassier guy couldnt come up with nothing else but to pick on my english (or admittedly, the lack thereof). u know, doomthree, a few days ago this forum was all lit up with praise for epic when some guy from that company was saying bad stuff about ps3 and today the 360 and some wii fans are dissing the same company that brought them Gears of War which they are oh so proud to have. its really funny, and goes on to show the integrity of the people who are posting here!! i hope u understand my point of view (friendly)
OK mate...its all cool over here !
Seriously, I want it to come good, I really do. I'm a PC gamer who wants a console to give me what an expensive PC upgrade will do...perhaps PS3 can.
but, my opinion on PS3's blu-ray is what it is. It also wouldnt stop me buying a PS3 if I like the look of the games coming up.
So you really think they put blu-ray on for games?
Dont you even consider it a possibility that SONY just used the PS3 as a vehicle to get the new format into homes...at cost to the PS3 paying punters.
I suppose you could argue that just as a blu-ray player its quite good value. But in my book nothing is a bargain unless you really wanted it in the first place.
oh no!! maybe they invested a billion dollars in the R&D of the most powerful console available and a revolutionary new media format just so that people would end up buying their Bravias!! i guess that should make even sense to you, einstein!!!
Steady on old chap...thats not how we behave in dear old blighty you know.
Whether its the most powerful console in the world remains to be seen, I hope it proves to be so. I prefer to judge this on the quality of software that is released, not spec.
There are other genius developers (just like you I'm sure) who have gone on record to state despite the excelent CPU, the 360's GPU, Dev tools and general architecture makes for an easier time writing the games.
And of course, SONY used PS3 to promote blu-ray. Games could manage without it.
But if you want a blu-ray player and a games console for a good price get a PS3.
There ...happy now ?
allegiances would remain strong as far as devs are concerned, each side saying that their client platform is better than the other. PS3 is difficult to develop for and thats what keeps the devs working on newer ways to exploit the hardware. this adds more life cycles to any system, xbox is inherently easy to develop for but that is a short lived luxury, and hence has fewer life cycles because after 1 or 2 cycles the devs would have taken the system to its peak performance. no wonder the xbox1 came out after ps2 and has died much sooner as well. but if u were to take and talk abt what sony is 'promoting' then blu-ray is not the only thing they are promoting. i think they have the first product in the market that is based on true multicore cpu (not just dual or dual-quad processors like the x86 family from intel). also, they may also be said to promote a centralized system that takes **ALL** the tasks of home entertainment (music, games, Dvds, blu-rays etc) and most of the PC related stuff as well, cuz i have been running the linux and office.org suite from my ps3 and so far it is adapting well to my HP printer and i am also surfing the web and sending/receiving email etc. i doesnt replace the PC ofcourse but is certainly good for routine work. as far as games managing without the blu-ray, true, in some cases, but then again, games could have managed without the dvd but still sony put in the dvd drive back in ps2 and look how well it got used, i think blu-ray is the next step if this industry is to evolve.
either ur post is intentionally misleading or u dont know jack about the cell. first of all, cell has 8, not 9, SPEs and not SPUs. know the diff between "Synergistic Processing Element" and the "Streaming Process Unit". There is only single SPU and 8 SPEs (1 Redundant) on the cell.
Actually, you're wrong. Wikipedia list your SPU as a PPE, or Power Processing Element. The terms SPU and SPE are generally considered to be interchangable. Further, though you are right that 1 SPE is reserved for redundancy, another is reserved for the OS, leaving 1 PPE and 6 SPEs.
As for the issue with the RAM, sony has gone on record several times that it is upto the dev to use either the 256mb of RAM on the GPU or all the 512 Combined RAM on both the cell and the RSX. i guess what u are quoting is from peter moore's interviews on many sites where he is repeatedly spreading rumors about the 'binding' of RAM on the PS3!!!
Yes, it is up to the dev how much RAM is allocated to graphics, though I should point out that the memory footprint of the OS for the PS3 is larger than the 360, so in real terms, there is less available memory than the 360. Regardless, this slide shows that memory read speeds for Cell are terrible, 250x slower than it's write speeds. There are ways around it, but it's one more hurdle to jump compared to one nice lump of unified memory like the 360.
Bandwiths;-- the NET bus speed of the EIB (Enhanced Interconnect Bus) on the cell is 200Gb/sec.
You can't just add bandwidth together and say 200GB/Sec!!! It doesn't work that way in the same way that a dual core P4 @ 3.2GHz does not mean you have a 6.4GHz CPU. If we want to start adding figures, i suppose on the 360's side, we can add that handy 256GB/sec interface between the frame buffer and the eDRAM, but that would mean your 200GB is less right?
And yes, parrallelism on the cell does and will give a significant advantage for game devs as they can assign individual task libraries to each SPE for all aspects of the game engine.
Which is similar to the two hardware threads each of the 3 Xbox 360 cores is capable of. I am not here to tell you the 360 is more powerful, because in terms of raw horsepower, it isn't, but the difference isn't so great as to make much difference.
As far as the IBM's uncertainity about Cell's usage than they are already using Cell BE (Broadband Engine) to power up their bladepro servers. Toshiba, the third partner is using it to power its home theater systems and high def screens.
That's all well and good, but note how you're naming very niche platforms. Cell will excel in areas where parallel processing is a requirement, such as supercomputers etc, but for everyday servers, windows is where it's at, and that means x86, so Cell is a no go unless you want to get into emulation.
As far as the RSX and Cell's compatibility is concerned, if u were to make a gfx card that would be able to supplement the cell properly, then it would take the price of the console even higher, nevertheless, nVidia has already gone on record that it is more powerfull than two 6800GTXs put together.
The RSX is based on the G71 platform, and is quite similar to a 7600GT. I don't want to get into comparisons between console GPUs and PC GPUs because it really isn't a valid comparison. What is valid is that several developers have mentioned that unless you go about things in a certain way, often involving Cell to do some of the rendering work for the RSX, it's very slow compared to Xenos, the GPU in the 360.
that being said, the Cell itself is sufficient enough to do real time volumetric calculations when rendering with calcs going TeraFLOPs. See the presentation of '8 days' on IGN.
Ohh not the teraflops argument again!! Cell is NOT capable of teraflops. Many cells maybe, but the Cell in the PS3, before the speed downgrade, was somewhere in the order of 215Gigaflops, not that it means anything anyway since that power is locked in both non-programmable hardware, and 7 (count 'em) SPUs PLUS a PPE. It's not going to be easy to extract anywhere near that amount of processing power. PS3 itself is capable of Teraflops, thanks to RSX, but again, much of that processing is fixed function. For instance, the transistors that go into performing lighting in hardware are counted, even though they are designed for nothing other than lighting. In reality, the PS3 as a whole will never even approach teraflop speeds.
All in all, the Cell is indeed very very robust and adaptive system to develop for. It is using optimized AltiVec codes which are native for many devs.
Actually, only the PPE runs altivec code, and it's worth pointing out that Xenon, the 360 CPU runs a superior version of AltiVec called VMX128, which is the same, but with more registers. Point accepted though that the Cell is a very adaptive system.
HD-DVD may be storing 51GB, but they are still based on the plain old IR laser read system, and there is absolutely no way u can read that much data from the existing media read system without lowering the wavelength (like blu-ray does) of the laser itself.
What the hell are you talking about?? Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD use the same 405nm blue diodes. In fact, even DVD and CD never used IR. I don't know where you got that idea from See here for more details.
trying to do otherwise can lead to damaged discs or burnt lenses, who knows.
Maybe you should stick to talking about what you know, rather than what you think you know...whatever that is
HD-DVDs players are cheaper because 1) the media is not gathering much support in the movie studios, that where the player will serve their purpose. 2) All said and done, its still old technology!
HD-DVD is cheaper because the way the disc is constructed means that the existing tools for pressing DVDs can be reused. Blu-ray, by contrast, is constructed to allow up to 8 layers with a very thin 0.1mm ultra hard coating to prevent scratches. Problem with this is, whole new factory lines need to be created, which is where the additonal cost comes in. I've already covered your second point, but i will just say that it's not old technology, it's proven technolgy, unlike blu-ray which is very much unproven.
the rest of ur post about 'not enough game' and 'too pricey' is pure ignorance on ur part!!
So let me get this straight, the games on the system, and the price of said system aren't important, but the fact that the 'Cell is indeed very very robust and adaptive system to develop for' is...right The games and the price you pay to play them are right at the heart of the matter. If there are no games you're interested in, and it costs too much for you, then you're not going to buy it, doesn't make you ignorant. If anything, you're ignorant for ignoring the fact that not all games are for everyone.
Seriously, I want it to come good, I really do. I'm a PC gamer who wants a console to give me what an expensive PC upgrade will do...perhaps PS3 can.
but, my opinion on PS3's blu-ray is what it is. It also wouldnt stop me buying a PS3 if I like the look of the games coming up.
if u are primarily a pc gamer and want a console for games mainly and then be able to play movies as well, i suggest u go for the 20 Gb version. u wont be getting additional media slots and wifi connectivity but apart from that it will certainly fill the order and u wont regret ur investment. happy choosing!
Well Mr. Rein if it's so damn great why don't you pony up $600 and get it for me. I'm sure not going to shell out that much cash for a console that is as old as the 360 but just now being released. Make the Blue Ray optional and I would have considered it but I don't buy DVDs and sure as hell won't be buying Blu Ray or HD DVDs so what does Blu Ray bring to my table? Sonys Blu Ray games won't be any bigger that the 360s even though they "could" be. Sony won't take advantage of it because they are not doing this for the gamers (neither is MS or big N). They are doing it for $ and to try and get their format to dominate. No thanks Sony, too little too late for too much.
Jesus. I'm sick of reading people throwing numbers around. It's like a virtual bigger dick contest for nerds with tiny real dicks. when all is said and done the only numbers that are going to make any difference at all to your average casual gamer (the ones that all these companies need) are the ones at the end of the latest GTA or FIFA... and more importantly, the ones prefixed by a £.
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
Blu Ray can do this but what developer is GOING to do it? It cost more to make these HUGE worlds you have wet dreams about. How do they make that money back? That's right they make the game $99 instead of $50-$60 and how is that going to go over with most people? That's right like a turd in a punch bowl. So you can dream about the potential of Blu Ray but it won't happen this generation FOR SURE. The install base would need to be huge (and it's not yet). It would have to be a PS3 exclusive which really knocks out some potential for profit by ignoring the Wii and 360. What game company is going to take this chance? None most likely unless in 5 years the PS3 has another 100,000,000 install base. But the people who made the PS2 have a 100,000,000 install base all thought the PS3 would be $299 like the PS2 was. It wasn't so they are not buying it and it doesn't look like they plan to anytime soon. So Sony drops the price? Not likely with the bath they are taking already so the only option is to bail on the PS3 before you have a $600 paper weight on your hands.
I know that if the average joe wants to upgrade his DVD player in the future then he will prob just buy a HD-DVD player, it's an easier step up. In fact eventually all DVD players will just play HD and in a couple of years a HD-DVD player will be as cheap as DVD players are now. Blue ray will always be more expensive to make and will never get as cheap.
Most people have only just completely adjusted to DVD the idea of a new format like Blue Ray seems pointless to them, especially as most people don't seem to care that much about image quality.
People would have to make a desision to move to blue ray wheras people will naturally move onto HD-DVD.
if u are primarily a pc gamer and want a console for games mainly and then be able to play movies as well, i suggest u go for the 20 Gb version. u wont be getting additional media slots and wifi connectivity but apart from that it will certainly fill the order and u wont regret ur investment. happy choosing!
apparently, u are having such a good time with ur crapbox 360 that u didnt bother to check out the line up of movies coming on blu-ray announced in CES07 las vegas, more than 50 titles from new releases to classics from 4 of the biggest studios will be coming by march 07. as for the hd-dvd, well only 8 were speculated for release. please make sure u get ur facts checked before u start posting crap about blu-ray. not only that, pioneer, samsung and other home entertainment system makers are all supporting the blu-ray. and oh, ps3 may be the most expensive console i have ever purchased but playing resistance and motorstorm is like having every polygon re-assuring me that i spent my money well.
I dont give a damn about blu ray or HD-DVD, if and when I want an HD format DVD player, I'll make that choice for myself I dont need Sony to do it for me. They should concentrate on making the PS3 the best console ever, and not sign up to the jack of all trades and hence master of none approach.
I'm sure this will benefit some people, but if sony want to succeed with a next gen console against the 360, they are going to need a lot more than blu ray and a couple of so-so games to persuade me, especially at that price.
You do know that the games on the PS3 are on blu-ray format? the PS3 is a 'NextGen' console so it makes sense for the games to be on a 'NextGen' disc format! DVD is last gen and i want bigger games with huge worlds and IMO only blu-ray can do that.
Blu Ray can do this but what developer is GOING to do it? It cost more to make these HUGE worlds you have wet dreams about. How do they make that money back?
what like san andreas, shadow of the collossus and morrowind? what a moronic comment.
all of Sony's previous formats have failed miserably....Blu Ray could be different, but I am yet to be convinced.
ROFLAMAO!
Have you ever, by chance, heard of a little something called the "Compact Disc"?
That failed miserably, did it?
ROFLAMAO again!
Compact Disc might have been invented by a guy from sony, but sony learned after the flop of betamax that the only way this format would survive and take off is if they opened up the format to other companies for them to develop, hence why other big electronic companies jumped on board and helped it get etasblised in the market, which took some 10 years before that happened, for cd sales to pass vinyal lp sales.
If sony hadnt opened up cd technolgy for free to other companies, then you can bet your weekly wage that it would another flop sony format which no one bought.
As for mark rein, if he was so confident of PS3 success, then why bother working with 360 and pc for all of his companies lastest games?
i suspect he's got a big bonus coming his way after Gears success in the sales charts.
all of Sony's previous formats have failed miserably....Blu Ray could be different, but I am yet to be convinced.
ROFLAMAO!
Have you ever, by chance, heard of a little something called the "Compact Disc"?
That failed miserably, did it?
ROFLAMAO again!
Compact Disc might have been invented by a guy from sony, but sony learned after the flop of betamax that the only way this format would survive and take off is if they opened up the format to other companies for them to develop, hence why other big electronic companies jumped on board and helped it get etasblised in the market, which took some 10 years before that happened, for cd sales to pass vinyal lp sales.
If sony hadnt opened up cd technolgy for free to other companies, then you can bet your weekly wage that it would another flop sony format which no one bought.
As for mark rein, if he was so confident of PS3 success, then why bother working with 360 and pc for all of his companies lastest games?
i suspect he's got a big bonus coming his way after Gears success in the sales charts.
Compact Disc might have been invented by a guy from sony, but sony learned after the flop of betamax that the only way this format would survive and take off is if they opened up the format to other companies for them to develop, hence why other big electronic companies jumped on board and helped it get etasblised in the market, which took some 10 years before that happened, for cd sales to pass vinyal lp sales.
Not only did know someone would mention the fact Sony only co-developed/produced the CD-ROM, I was counting on this fact.
Why? Because if the CD is somehow "disqualified" as a Sony-creation because of this, then Blu Ray is also "disqualified" as a Sony-creation for the exact same reason, since it was co-developed with Phillips and Apple.
Actually give James Russell and Philips their due for the CD.
And what about Philips' (not to mention Apples') credit for Blu Ray?
Anyway, James Russell did not invent the Compact Disc, he invented the first ever optical data storage device that was disc-shaped. While it is based on some of his ideas and patents, the CD as produced by Phillips and Sony is a distinct and different form of disc-shaped optical data storage than Russel's creation.
If Russell is indeed the "creator of the CD", then he is also the creator of Blu Ray, HD-DVD, and all other disc-shaped optical storage mediums. If were are to expand this logic to other areas, then the following is true:
- Ferdinand Verbiest (inventor of the first car, way back in 167 is the creators of the Fiat Panda, the Citroen C6, the SETA Altea, and every other car ever made.
- Depending on how you look on it, either Willoughby Smith (discover of photoconducticity in 1873) or John Logie Baird (inventor of the first electromechanical television, first publically tested in 1925) created high Plasma TVs, LCD TVS, and every other TV format ever made.
- Again depending your point of view, either Wilhelm Schickard (builder of the first automatic calculator, in 1623) or Charless Babbage (creator of the first progammable computing device, in 1822) created the IMB PC, Apple Mac, XBox 360, Playstation 3, and every other computer ever made
- Thomas T. Goldsmith Jr. and Estle Ray Mann (creators of the first computer game, in 1947) created Half-life 2, Gears of War, Wii play, and every other computer game ever made.
I don't think anyone need explain how absurb any of the above sounds. These individual did not create any of the examples provides themselves; rather they either created, invented, or discovered the principles or precendent that allowed for the later possibility of the examples' creation.
well i read the first 3 inflamatory responses via the haters...then skipped to the 4th page for some form of bizare chinese whispers get a f**king grip! its a frigging console for f**ks sake!
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not the teraflops argument again!! Cell is NOT capable of teraflops. Many cells maybe, but the Cell in the PS3, before the speed downgrade, was somewhere in the order of 215Gigaflops, not that it means anything anyway since that power is locked in both non-programmable hardware, and 7 (count 'em) SPUs PLUS a PPE. It's not going to be easy to extract anywhere near that amount of processing power. PS3 itself is capable of Teraflops, thanks to RSX, but again, much of that processing is fixed function. For instance, the transistors that go into performing lighting in hardware are counted, even though they are designed for nothing other than lighting. In reality, the PS3 as a whole will never even approach teraflop speeds.
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is the creators of the Fiat Panda, the Citroen C6, the SETA Altea, and every other car ever made.
