SCEA president Jack Tretton says that the phenomenal success of the PS2 has given gamers "unrealistic" expectations for its next-gen console, in an interview with EGM.
"Because we're in that leadership position, there are a lot of expectations thrust upon us and some of them are a little unrealistic," Tretton says in the interview.
"If we were a distant third in the platform race, people would have a warm spot in their hearts for the good old days of PlayStation and they'd actually root for us to get back on top," he continues. "But I don't know if we want to pay the price to get that kind of [love]"
But regardless of the pressure pilled on by Microsoft's head-start to the market, Tretton is confident that Sony will remain the market leader in the forthcoming console battle. "I think we've got a better machine," he says. "I think we've got a better business model, and I think we're going to win in the long term."
What the hell is he talking about? Christ, pull your head from out of your bottom!
The success of the PS2 is due to the base built by the true innovation of the PSX and the price of it's successor falling within most peoples expectations; add to that the huge 3rd party support AND powerhouse exclusives.
Why is it unrealistic to expect the same?
A good games machine with good games.
It is time Sony learned that right now, for some reason, they have the gift for talking a load of moany old bottom and they really should stop!
So, it's gonna be worth putting in all those extra hours to pay for this machine, but it's not going to meet our expectations?
I think it says everything that Sony have been faking fan blogs, inventing non-existent reviewers, and if rumours are true, sending their employees into fan-forums posing as would-be customers.
Hopefully they'll learn from all the s**t that real members of the public have been slinging their way, and the PS4 will be worth looking at next time around.
I think it refers more to the fact that declarations as the 4D gameplay and "next gen starts when we say so " or the Xbox1.5 ,added with the expectation of the press ,created a sense the PS3 would be far beyond the next-gen rivals and that simply cant be .The PS3 can be slightly more powerful than the X360 plus have some advantages in the BR player and the free online ,but it couldnt in any case be such a step beyond to be considered in a class of its own .
We are seeing in many magazines the PS3 games ,identical to the X360 versions ,are being slammed with 1 point less as " it isnt a big step over the X360 version " or " is virtually identical to the X360 version " .
I think it refers more to the fact that declarations as the 4D gameplay and "next gen starts when we say so " or the Xbox1.5 ,added with the expectation of the press ,created a sense the PS3 would be far beyond the next-gen rivals and that simply cant be .The PS3 can be slightly more powerful than the X360 plus have some advantages in the BR player and the free online ,but it couldnt in any case be such a step beyond to be considered in a class of its own .
We are seeing in many magazines the PS3 games ,identical to the X360 versions ,are being slammed with 1 point less as " it isnt a big step over the X360 version " or " is virtually identical to the X360 version " .
Do they actually mean visually though? Don't forget that there is motion sensing on the PS3, or there is supposed to be. A game that is virtually identical to it's non-motion-sensor model on 360 should get marked down IMO.
Oh come on, people have unrealistic expectations because you (Sony) say crap like "Emotion Engine" and "4D". You tout the PS3 as the ultimate piece of hardware and recommend people work 2 jobs to get one, and yet you have the nerve to blame consumers when they are dissapointed.
I can't believe people are still debating whether this machine will succeed of not. It's all a load of b******s.
The only time it might really start gaining momentum is in 5 years time - Sony will inevitably release a smaller, sexier, cheeper, better-running version, and there will probably be a few games worth playing by then (MGS4, etc). Then it might be 2010's "xmas must have"...but I doubt anyone will still care by then.
the high expectations were set by Sony themselves ages ago using pre-rendered games at E3 and what not. So in true Sony fashion, lets blame the consumers for not wanting it, typical
I think the playstation will be the winning console of the current generation, but not until at least late 2008/2009, by which point MS and Intendo may very well have their next consoles in the works...I base this opinion on what I have heard from analysts.
I think it refers more to the fact that declarations as the 4D gameplay and "next gen starts when we say so " or the Xbox1.5 ,added with the expectation of the press ,created a sense the PS3 would be far beyond the next-gen rivals and that simply cant be .The PS3 can be slightly more powerful than the X360 plus have some advantages in the BR player and the free online ,but it couldnt in any case be such a step beyond to be considered in a class of its own .
We are seeing in many magazines the PS3 games ,identical to the X360 versions ,are being slammed with 1 point less as " it isnt a big step over the X360 version " or " is virtually identical to the X360 version " .
Yeah, but what was it Sony said about the power of the cell again? Something along the lines of its full power never being tapped, thats just one of the many comments made by one Sony drone or another and as such they have not enjoyed these past couple of years talking out of their bottom; now they can't seem to help themselves!
Every week some comment emerges from either Japan the U.S. or Europe that makes them look stupid!
They should just pipe down and get a few more games out there. That'd be the biggest tonic, proving that BR and the cell combine into a powerful gameplaying experience.
If they fail in that then Sony are going to look like idiots...
If a PS3 game is looking identical to a 360 game then Sony can hardly be blamed, that'd be down to whoever has ported the game. PS3 specific games, however, should have qualities that stand out.
They're selling BR with the PS3, something which has put its price too high, something Sony haven't commented on as a controversial move for a machine that would have its core userbase as games players and it is the main area where it'll have to prove itself; that beyond watching movies, BR is going to add to the gaming experience and is a justifiable addition to a games machine.
If BR wasn't a feature then the PS3 would probably be somewhere between Ł280 - Ł330 (best guess) and therefore be in direct competition with the 360. It would have also shifted more units than it has, giving devs the confidence to throw games its way and overall be looked upon as a machine being worth the wait and a powerful competitor.
Instead they have f8cked it up. This release, to me at least, confirms that Sony do not listen or even have the merest inclination to do so. I found the statement totally perplexing and very telling of how they (Sony) see themselves.
I think 100 million people would disagree with you on this .
PS3 is a expensive machine ,but it is very good hardware-wise ,with a lot of potential ,motion sensors in the pad ,free online ,HDD included ,PSP-PS3 conection ,retrocompatibily with PS1 and PS2 ,the Playstation Store .......it is just what it was meant to be and what it could be ....but if each consumer and magazine put it down because it isnt 5 times better than the X360 and its games are marked lower because " they arent far better than the X360 version " then it is clear the unrealistics expectacions would hurt the machine name in the form of bad PR
the high expectations were set by Sony themselves ages ago using pre-rendered games at E3 and what not. So in true Sony fashion, lets blame the consumers for not wanting it, typical
That's exactly what I was thinking. Sony can't blame consumers for having unrealistic expectations when Sony pulled things like the 'realtime' demo of Killzone! Did Sony not expect people to be disappointed when games didn't look like the demo? Or maybe they just expect people to have forgotten about it by the time the launch came.
I don't think there will be any chance of the PS3 failing now, it's just questions of market share. If all 3 makers end up with 1/3 each, then that's fine with me, makes them work harder
If the full power of the PS3 processor is never tapped into (like Sony have said recently, and before with the PS2), why are we made to buy extreme hardware...when it's never going to be put it use? Everytime Sony makes a statement regarding the PS3, they shoot themselves in the foot.
but if each consumer and magazine put it down because it isnt 5 times better than the X360 and its games are marked lower because " they arent far better than the X360 version " then it is clear the unrealistics expectacions would hurt the machine name in the form of bad PR
I think the bad PR has been (and will continue to be) as a result of Sony over-promising and under-delivering.
I think that in the long run the PS3 will eventually be the market leader again
I think the opposite - my post quoting dio'77 says why.
PSX was a legend - it exploded onto the scene and it's reign introduced so many characters and franchises and without which the PS2 couldn't have existed, that too created its own characters/franchises, etc....
No wonder the PS brand is so damn strong, it has proven itself through good, solid gaming hardware.
3rd times a charm, as they say. Sony has added BR, that has inflated its price and so it now needs to prove that the increase in money is going to translate to a greater game experience. Not just the ability to watch a new film format.
If that is the case then it is a bad move; implementing an element which drives cost up and offers only fringe benefits to those that would use them.
As I've said, Sony have f8cked up. The PS3 certainly has the backing to succeed, but they've also succeeded in getting a sizable portion of potential custom to question them.
Totally agree with you. I only got a Ps1 because everyone else did. Hey, i was too young to know any better. I never enjoyed it as much as i enjoyed my N64. I bet a lot of kids only got it because other kids did. Like a big circle.
Damn't wright they didn't pay up to expectations. Don't overpromise (launch graphics etc) if you can't deliver. That everybody loves nintendo is not because they where third in the last generation consoles, but because they delivered a solid gaming experience for a good value with every console. (and didn't messed up about in about every possible way)
i wouldn't be so p**sed off if i thought it was actually going to be worth the shocking Ł425 price tag, and maybe if europe, no excuse me the uk, europe is the reason we have to wait so frigging long for games, didn't get the short end of the stick all the time, if a fair price exchange of the yen price was done it would no doubt be a lot cheaper, but instead they're to busy cashing in, well not this time f****ts you've had your last laugh with the psx, HUGEEEEEEEEE FAILURE, and maybe you should start being more humble and see what the fans actually think and want, not what you think, because to be honest nobody cares whether you think the expectations are unrealistic you f**king bellend
That it's the PS2's fanbase's fault that the PS3 is having a poor reception?!!
Well, after blaming MS and Nintendo, I guess the only new low they could sink to was to blame their own loyal fanbase for expecting them to deliever on their promises.
Of course, while they're pointing fingers they might like to consider certain E3 footage they showed and PR guff they gave that raised such expectations.
Release a normal DVD drive console with a CPU and graphic update (Cell processor fair enough).
Not to try and use it as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray.
No one expected Sony's console to force external media considerations upon us.
Even if the PS3 had been a little weaker than the 360, at a reasonable price it would have easily taken the lead if launched earlier. However, Sony expected gamers to want a movie player based on a non-future-proof, highly expensive technology with slow read speeds. Now, was any gamer really expecting this or where they just expecting a newer games console to play games on?
It's Sony's expectations of the consumer that are at fault, NOT, the consumer's expectation of Sony.
Of course he's gona say he's got the better machine. Sony won't pay him to say that they haven't. Furthermore I like how he covers himself by saying people are expecting too much, incase it does flop.
And just a little off topic, I can't remember last time I read a Sony guy mention the Cell processor (I may be wrong) but is this going to 'revolutionise' gaming in the same way the emotion engine in the PS2 did????
One month ago, i was a stubborn Sony fanboy. I was defending Sony on message boards and telling my friends and critics alike to wait and see the PS3 blow the Xbox360 apart. But then i thought to myself, what the hell am i doing, what have Sony done for me lately. The only reason i supported Sony was because that is all I have ever known. I was brought up playing only the PS1 and PS2 and because they had all the best games, i had no reason to buy an Xbox or Gamecube. But now i have finally broken out of this trance that i was in. I'm jumping ship to the Xbox360 as in my eyes, its the new PS2. It has evrything that a gamer needs. I will eventually buy a PS3 but at the minute its not worth it. I know that theres loads of others out there just like me who need to wake up and realise that if you stick with Sony, you'll be missing so many great games and is that not what us 'gamers' live for?
Sorry about the long post but i had to get that off my chest.
One month ago, i was a stubborn Sony fanboy. I was defending Sony on message boards and telling my friends and critics alike to wait and see the PS3 blow the Xbox360 apart. But then i thought to myself, what the hell am i doing, what have Sony done for me lately. The only reason i supported Sony was because that is all I have ever known. I was brought up playing only the PS1 and PS2 and because they had all the best games, i had no reason to buy an Xbox or Gamecube. But now i have finally broken out of this trance that i was in. I'm jumping ship to the Xbox360 as in my eyes, its the new PS2. It has evrything that a gamer needs. I will eventually buy a PS3 but at the minute its not worth it. I know that theres loads of others out there just like me who need to wake up and realise that if you stick with Sony, you'll be missing so many great games and is that not what us 'gamers' live for?
Sorry about the long post but i had to get that off my chest.
"I think we've got a better business model, and I think we're going to win in the long term."
So their business model includes lying to the public and then making europe wait for the "Privilige" of playing a PS3 by making it more expensive than its american and japanese counterparts whilst making us wait at least 5 months for the bloody thing to arrive on these shores.
I take it you were not a gamer back in the early 90's when Nintendo was the worldwide leader and games cost Ł49.99 a pop which I hazard a guess would be like charging Ł70 odd quid a game in today's money.
Nintendo were all powerful and charged such ridiculous sums to 3rd party developers that very few even bothered as it was so hard to make a profit.
Nintendo also threatened legal action against any shop or video store who even rented out their titles and had no platinum or players choice style budget range available.
Sony transformed video gaming and took it to the masses resulting in video games now being cheaper than at any time in their history and not to mention more popular.
Sony gets alot of stick on gaming websites largely because it's successful and the elitist snobs who populate gaming forums hate to admit to liking anything that the masses like as they like to feel superior.
The facts are Sony has released 2 home consoles both of which have enjoyed very long life cycles ensuring maximum value for money Both consoles have had far larger and more diverse game libraries than any other consoles in history and most importantly the punters have voted with their wallets and bought both consoles in their millions.
I won't disagree that the PS3 is expensive and certainly out of my price range for now but for what you are getting it's certainly better value than the Wii which so far is yet to better PS2 graphics or even have controls that work properly.
Wise people will wait 12 or even 18 months before buying any next gen console when i'm sure prices and games available will be much improved and in the case of the 360 reliabilty as well.
360 will be my choice of console for games I will be buying PS3 mainly for BLU-RAY player at a cheap price for certain films. I do have HD-DVD player for the 360 but more film studios support BLU-RAY at the moment.
I agree totally about the PSX, it definately influenced console gaming as we play it today, but those days are dead and that is in some way thanks to Sony's success - this latest statement by SCEA is just one more bungle in Sony's recent history.
They're making a lot of excuses, trying to conjure reasons and have also bad mouthed their opposition. They're not, however, getting the games out there.
I am going to keep repeating myself here - the PS3 is a poor machine for Sony's PS legacy. It is a neat Ł100 too expensive and that is due to the inclusion of BR. Sony professed that CGI footage was in-game footage and also said that the power of PS3 could/would not be fully tapped.
They've forgotten who buys games machines, it seems.
The PS3 will sell but it won't be the success it could have been. I believe this because:
1. they now need the software to prove that first, BR is as crucial to PS3 games as the extra Ł100 says it is and second, the cell generates game environments that are identical to the CGI movies we've seen.
2. I don't think Sony will hold onto most of the exclusive franchises the PSX and PS2 have enjoyed, 360 has sold very well indeed and there is a lot of confidence there. It could be that the 360 sees a few titles we are more familiar to seeing on the PS brand.
It is all speculation, ATM, but with more statements from Sony showing their nastier side (this current statement is basically saying we're wrong and they're right - how screwed is that?!!?) I'm thinking more and more that Sony have lost it..
for f**ks sake...in a cpl yrs time YOU WILL ALL HAVE A HD CAPABLE TV! it IS going to happen...YOU ARE going to need extra storage for the higher resolutions... all this bollox about it being a trojan horse??!!nobody pretended that BLU-RAY was'nt in the box! it is! get over it also...EVERYONE chattin that theres no games??!!! 'sony stop talking and give us games' its been out for 2 months in the rest of the world and not in the uk yet...jesus wept...what the hell do you expect?? 100 launch games... (they are bloody coming obviously) im sick to death of all the whining..if you dont want to buy it (but want to promote 'negative fanboyism' instead, to justify ones own purchase) then f**kin well dont...whatever you say WILL NOT MAKE A BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE to whatever business plan sony have in motion...
It's only Ł425!! What an absolute steal! I'll buy three! One for each of the superb, original launch games! Stop whining everyone, your opinions don't count for anything. Me and my buddy Seedy here, made a pact with the devil, who looks a bit like Ken Kutsuragi by the way! We yanked out our souls, and now we believe that anyone who feels that Ł425 is too much, or that Blu Ray isn't totally foolproof, or that the exclusive games aren't the best thing ever, are utter retards.
i'm gonna get Sony tatooed on my forehead, you coming seedy ol' pal? Or maybe I can have So, and you can have ny! And we could be like, "we love so..." and then you come in and say ..."ny!". We'd be the coolest.
for f**ks sake...in a cpl yrs time YOU WILL ALL HAVE A HD CAPABLE TV! it IS going to happen...YOU ARE going to need extra storage for the higher resolutions... all this bollox about it being a trojan horse??!!nobody pretended that BLU-RAY was'nt in the box! it is! get over it also...EVERYONE chattin that theres no games??!!! 'sony stop talking and give us games' its been out for 2 months in the rest of the world and not in the uk yet...jesus wept...what the hell do you expect?? 100 launch games... (they are bloody coming obviously) im sick to death of all the whining..if you dont want to buy it (but want to promote 'negative fanboyism' instead, to justify ones own purchase) then f**kin well dont...whatever you say WILL NOT MAKE A BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE to whatever business plan sony have in motion...
You see Sony! You see what you're doing to your fans. It's only a matter of time before one completely crosses over the Psycho line and goes looney tunes on us. Aren't you ashamed Sony!
Of course it begins with only an occasional over use of the caps lock key. It quickly proceeds to the occasional presence of censored swearing. But finally, just before the final crack, we see the vast array of smilies, the abundance of incoherent abbreviations, punctuation swings wildly out of control and increasingly animated reactions to viewpoints other than they're own becomes far too apparent.
Stop this epidemic now Sony while there's still time. Just stop making PR disasters for yourselves. Give them back some of their basic fan-driven dignity. Just a little credibility. That's all it takes. A little credibility once or twice a year and the Sony fans can once again return to their previous peaceful and arrogant stances.
Is that too much to ask? I think not... I think not.
It's only Ł425!! What an absolute steal! I'll buy three! One for each of the superb, original launch games! Stop whining everyone, your opinions don't count for anything. Me and my buddy Seedy here, made a pact with the devil, who looks a bit like Ken Kutsuragi by the way! We yanked out our souls, and now we believe that anyone who feels that Ł425 is too much, or that Blu Ray isn't totally foolproof, or that the exclusive games aren't the best thing ever, are utter retards.
i'm gonna get Sony tatooed on my forehead, you coming seedy ol' pal? Or maybe I can have So, and you can have ny! And we could be like, "we love so..." and then you come in and say ..."ny!". We'd be the coolest.
You all suck by the way.
Normally, it takes me a few posts to warm to a new member but I know I like you already.
for f**ks sake...in a cpl yrs time YOU WILL ALL HAVE A HD CAPABLE TV! it IS going to happen...YOU ARE going to need extra storage for the higher resolutions... all this bollox about it being a trojan horse??!!nobody pretended that BLU-RAY was'nt in the box! it is! get over it also...EVERYONE chattin that theres no games??!!! 'sony stop talking and give us games' its been out for 2 months in the rest of the world and not in the uk yet...jesus wept...what the hell do you expect?? 100 launch games... (they are bloody coming obviously) im sick to death of all the whining..if you dont want to buy it (but want to promote 'negative fanboyism' instead, to justify ones own purchase) then f**kin well dont...whatever you say WILL NOT MAKE A BLIND BIT OF DIFFERENCE to whatever business plan sony have in motion...
The psychotic ramblings of a Sony fanboy ladies and gentlemen.
MDL199 you make fair points until you said that the PS3 is better value than the Wii - which is just rubbish - you compare value by graphics alone (with an inaccurate statement) forgetting that you can't put a price on innovation. And digressing from the topic slightly, I always thought the N64 were the 'good ol days' of recent generations mainly due to it being the first console to popularise multiplayer gaming (no p**sing around with multi-tabs) along with having the classics like Goldeneye, Mario Kart etc which is about the most fun you can have with consoles and some mates round. The PSX did introduce some great franchises but I remember having played mainly single player games on it.
The PS2 sold over 700k units in Japan on day 1. They have still not sold that many PS3s there after 3+ months and sales the last two weeks have been an abysmal 20k units. The price in Japan for the PS3 is only Ł40 more than the PS2 launch price was.
I see all the familiar names on this thread stating the obvious that Sony executives are about as in touch with the gamers as Tony Blair is with the electorate & the other side of the argument which at this moment is only represented by Seedripper who is one of the most rampant fanboys I have ever seen.
But the facts are that Sony have really done themselves a disservice with PS3, & now that gamers the world over are not so sure about taking such a big financial plunge for a games machine Sony have resorted to blaming everyone but themselves.
Note to sony: next you make a console make it for the main audience that want it "GAMERS" & you might be a little bit more well equiped to slag off you rivals.
MDL199 you make fair points until you said that the PS3 is better value than the Wii - which is just rubbish - you compare value by graphics alone (with an inaccurate statement) forgetting that you can't put a price on innovation. And digressing from the topic slightly, I always thought the N64 were the 'good ol days' of recent generations mainly due to it being the first console to popularise multiplayer gaming (no p**sing around with multi-tabs) along with having the classics like Goldeneye, Mario Kart etc which is about the most fun you can have with consoles and some mates round. The PSX did introduce some great franchises but I remember having played mainly single player games on it.
But from what i've experienced the innovative Wii controls just don't work.
Review after review seems to slag off the Wii's eratic controls and I myself found the controls on my mates kids Red Steel and Call of Duty games simply terrible and frustrating. In both cases the graphics were sub top notch PS2 graphics which is just plain unforgivable.
Paying Ł200 for a machine with not a single great game to it's name (Zelda is merely a Cube port), graphics that are no better than current gen consoles and a control system that is gimmicky and unreliable is to me at least a far bigger rip off than a Ł425 console that at least produces amazing graphics and game play, has great multi media funtionality and plays blue ray discs.
Currenly the 360 is probably the best value console (the alarming reliabilty issue's are putting me off getting one at the moment) but i'm sure there will be a significant PS3 price drop in the next 12 months and the console will be more competitive.
How Nintendo can charge almost as much for the Wii as the 360 is simply amazing to me.
As for the N64 representing the good ole days you really must be joking!
I remember picking up Resident Evil 2 on the Playstion in Virgin for Ł17.99 in early 2000 and then walking over to the miniscule N64 stand and seeing it for Ł59.99! You had to virtually morgage your house if you wanted to buy more than 2 N64 games at a time and the list of great games barely reached into double figures.
Goldeneye Perfect dark Banjo kazooie Banjo tooie Zelda ocarina of time Zelda majoras mask Turok 2 seeds of evil Lylat wars Jet force gemini Super mario 64 Paper mario Mario kart 64 Diddy kong racing Donkey kong 64 Conkers bad fur day WWF no mercy 007 the world is not enough 1080 Snowboarding F zero X International superstar soccer 98 Star craft 64 Command & conquer 64 Top gear rally
I could go on but those are some great titles IMO on N64 & Resi 2 is also one of them but I would agree on the price of games at times but Ł50 for Perfect dark when I got I think was worth it for a game that I played as much as I did PD
It's only Ł425!! What an absolute steal! I'll buy three! One for each of the superb, original launch games! Stop whining everyone, your opinions don't count for anything. Me and my buddy Seedy here, made a pact with the devil, who looks a bit like Ken Kutsuragi by the way! We yanked out our souls, and now we believe that anyone who feels that Ł425 is too much, or that Blu Ray isn't totally foolproof, or that the exclusive games aren't the best thing ever, are utter retards.
i'm gonna get Sony tatooed on my forehead, you coming seedy ol' pal? Or maybe I can have So, and you can have ny! And we could be like, "we love so..." and then you come in and say ..."ny!". We'd be the coolest.
You all suck by the way.
haha love it very funny, nice mate very well put, anyway this is getting old and boring, let me just say...manchester united 4 totenham 0 6 points come on you reds woo
I see all the familiar names on this thread stating the obvious that Sony executives are about as in touch with the gamers as Tony Blair is with the electorate & the other side of the argument which at this moment is only represented by Seedripper who is one of the most rampant fanboys I have ever seen.
It's only Ł425!! What an absolute steal! I'll buy three! One for each of the superb, original launch games! Stop whining everyone, your opinions don't count for anything. Me and my buddy Seedy here, made a pact with the devil, who looks a bit like Ken Kutsuragi by the way! We yanked out our souls, and now we believe that anyone who feels that Ł425 is too much, or that Blu Ray isn't totally foolproof, or that the exclusive games aren't the best thing ever, are utter retards.
i'm gonna get Sony tatooed on my forehead, you coming seedy ol' pal? Or maybe I can have So, and you can have ny! And we could be like, "we love so..." and then you come in and say ..."ny!". We'd be the coolest.
You all suck by the way.
i think i deserve the 'SO' bit if you dont mind mate
I see all the familiar names on this thread stating the obvious that Sony executives are about as in touch with the gamers as Tony Blair is with the electorate & the other side of the argument which at this moment is only represented by Seedripper who is one of the most rampant fanboys I have ever seen.
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lol that is so 'rich' coming from you
Well when I say something bad about Sony it is a truthful statement of what they are doing at this point in time & not the rambling mess you often post I am not against the PS3 & I hope it does do well as competition is good but at the price & after all the crap that comes from Sony's own mouths I am just not bothered about it anymore & wont be mug enough to buy 1 until it is at a reasonable price & has a library of games that are (1) very good titles & (2) not available on the 360 for a cheaper price
I see all the familiar names on this thread stating the obvious that Sony executives are about as in touch with the gamers as Tony Blair is with the electorate & the other side of the argument which at this moment is only represented by Seedripper who is one of the most rampant fanboys I have ever seen.
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lol that is so 'rich' coming from you
Well when I say something bad about Sony it is a truthful statement of what they are doing at this point in time & not the rambling mess you often post I am not against the PS3 & I hope it does do well as competition is good but at the price & after all the crap that comes from Sony's own mouths I am just not bothered about it anymore & wont be mug enough to buy 1 until it is at a reasonable price & has a library of games that are (1) very good titles & (2) not available on the 360 for a cheaper price
MDL199 you've somehow managed to miss all my points - fact is you're trying to compare the perceived value of the Wii against the PS3, which is on a whole flawed as you just can't put a value on innovation - they are simply too contrasting to even compare (though PS3 and X360 are comparable). Whether you think it's a gimmick or not is irrelevant as that's merely your opinion. Furthermore, the sales and reviews of Zelda suggest otherwise from your opinion, what difference does it make that it's essentially a port over? That doesn't stop its artistic style and immense gameplay making it an extremely playable game.
Secondly, I remember my gaming past from memorable gaming sessions playing top class games - price plays no part in the fun. The list of N64 games mentioned furthermore dimisses your view of few 'great' games along with the fact that the N64 was always quality over quantity therefore you wouldn't have to buy more than a couple of games at a time to last you until you can afford your next lot (and from what I remember, the standard price was Ł40-Ł45 apart from a few key titles such as Zelda, im talking about the standard here, not the crazy prices at launch - furthermore I got alot of my games for Ł35 from Gameplay)
It's also fair to point out that the wiimote does make a big difference in Zelda. The act of motion to swing with your sword and to thrust the nunchuk for shield attacks is just more, well, fun.
The one thing that Sony has really missed here. Nintendo looked for a way to make games more fun. Sony didn't.
"in a cpl yrs time YOU WILL ALL HAVE A HD CAPABLE TV!", "YOU ARE going to need extra storage for the higher resolutions" ....
All true, it should also be a damn sight cheaper and have a large selection of good exclusive titles. That's all great news for Sony if their supposedly superior business plan is that their machines and games sit gathering dust in warehouses for 2 years until they become worth buying for the general public. If Sony want me to buy a PS3 as soon as I can then they'll have to convince me that there are reasons to buy it now. These reasons will have to overcome the image I have of Kutagari taking the extra Ł175 I have to pay more than the Japanese (or Ł122 I have to pay more than the Americans) and waving it in my face while laughing at me. Buy it with a PSP for Ł675 from HMV? Sod Off, give me a PSP with it for Ł425 and I might at least consider it.
Problem is Sony, you expect the PS3 to run for 10 years rather than the normal 5 because you claimed its so far ahead of it's time, when we all really know that this extended console life is really down to trying to re-coup your losses on each machine sold.
In that case nintendo and microsoft in 5 years time will both have new consoles out and that can be more innovative and higher spec than ps3 so Sony will have a descision on it's hands.
Ditch the ps3 after 5 years and introduce a new console and if they haven't re-couped their loses then make up an excuse to brush it under the carpet.
or
release updates to enhance some of the games but fail to compete with the newer consoles and appear stale in comparison and be laughed at with you're inevitable psthree model that you can finally sell cheaper due to cheaper parts but sadly no one wants as they're all buying the new machines on the block
How about a new point of view? I have had my PS3 for 2 months now, and have to say that in my opinion, I think it was worth the cost. I bought Call Of Duty 3, Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance Fall of Man. I must say, I have had a hell of a time playing these games. I do not have an HD tv yet, and I have to tell you, though I know how much better it will look when I purchase one, the graphics are greatly improved from the PS2 even without it. I can understand your frustrations, really, but before you totally decide to say the PS3 is junk, I suggest you wait til you have spent some time on the machines when you finally get the opportunity. I truly believe that when it is given a fair chance and some time, some in here if they are honest and can admit they were wrong, will change their tune. I do not always agree with some things Sony does, but do not bash the PS3 on account of the attitude of some suits at Sony... the execs did not build the machine. Rhe ones in here who said the PS3 has alot of potential given time...you are absolutely right.
I don't think anyone questioned that aspect of the system. What it should do however is offer graphics greatly improved from the 360 given Sony's promises and hype. But it doesn't
Maybe, I do not pretend to know everything Sony said in saying that PS3 would out perform the 360, if in fact they even made reference to that. But,if you look at the quality of the first PS2 games compared to some of the more recent ones like NFS Carbon, Tomb Raider Legend, and one of my personal favorites, God Of War look at how much the games themselves improved and how much better the graphics got... I would say that the games to come, if the same follows, should be awesome to say the least. Again, time should be given.
Those games came because the PS2 was the most successful system from day one therefor received the most support from developers. The PS3 is not doing the same at all so far and if that keeps up you can kiss improvements in games goodbye.
As for Sony's promises, I don't recall if they actually said the "Xbox360 is inferior to the PS3" (though I bet they have one way or another) but I do recall things like "next generation starts when the PS3 gets here" and how the Cell is the most powerful CPU out there etc...
How about a new point of view? I have had my PS3 for 2 months now, and have to say that in my opinion, I think it was worth the cost. I bought Call Of Duty 3, Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance Fall of Man. I must say, I have had a hell of a time playing these games. I do not have an HD tv yet
Granted yes, but 2 of the games you listed are available cheaper on Xbox 360. If you're playing on a standard TV any visable difference in picture quality is lost between the 2 machines. I'm struggling to see why the inflated cost is worth it.
Understand, I am in no way putting down the 360. At this point, I think the two systems are on an equal playing ground. Both systems have some differences, but I don't think it means that one is better than the other. As stated, Sony has yet to prove that the PS3 is the top system, maybe with time , they will...who knows. For me here in the states, $500 was worth the cost, and between the 3 games and extras I bought, I have about $725 in it now. I also understand people being upset over in the UK and the rest of Europe for what you have to pay, which I think you are getting the shaft on that,and I am not really sure what the reasoning is on that, plus the fact that they are not making the 20gig available right away. Each person will have to make his/her choice whether they think it is worth it. Also, after a few months, the PS2 games usually go to a "greatest hits" and you can buy them for $20, so you can get the PS2 games cheap if you can wait a few months. With any luck, the PS3 titles will follow suit in time... not for 20, but maybe around $30.
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... and they very unrealistic. 
