UPDATE Sony's head of UK PR David Wilson has given CVG the following statement:
"PS one title backward compatibility has not changed and there will be a limited number of PS2 titles compatible - but PS3 is defined by key features such as the CELL broadband engine, its Blu-ray drive, the SIXAXIS Controller and its ability to output full 1080P HD game content which makes it an entertainment system for the future, without equal. Backwards compatibility is important but it does not define the PS3 in the same way as the other features do.
"We have been assessing the extent of backward compatibility, and will continue to do so right up until launch. It is therefore not possible to provide a specific number of backwards compatible titles at this stage. Users will be able to check whether their titles are compatible with PS3 by checking the list of compatible titles at http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc. This site will be available on March 23 to meet launch day.
"PS one titles remain backwards compatible and we will continue to assess the compatibility of PS2 titles right up until launch. We will continue to offer firmware upgrades to increase the number of titles that are compatible, but rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology.
"Whilst in the longer term these production related cost reductions will enable us to reduce the cost of PS3 to consumers (in the same way we have done with PS2 over its 6 year lifetime to date) SCE has no immediate plans for any price reduction on the platform.
"We will continue to assess the compatibility of existing and new PS2 titles, both first and third party."
UPDATE ENDS
SCEE has revised the specifications for the European PlayStation 3 console, revealing that the PAL version of the console won't include full backwards compatibility for PS2 game, but all PSone game will still be supported.
"PS3 is first and foremost a system that excels in playing games specifically designed to exploit the power and potential of the PS3 system," said David Reeves, President of SCEE. "Games designed for PS3 offer incredible graphics quality, stunning gameplay and massively improved audio and video fidelity that is simply not achievable with PS and PS2 games.
"Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology."
PSone games will work on PS3 and a limited number of PS2 titles will also work on the console. Sony told CVG this morning that the firm will launch a site where gamers will be able to check and see what games are backwards compatible on a regualr basis. Also, a new firmware update will be available on launch of PS3.
not a big problem but its a weekly occurance of bad news for the ps3 i almost feel sorry for it but it'll still sell out when it arrives on these shores
Hold the Phone, I'm sure all the PS£ fanboys keep on slagging off the 360 due to its backwards compatibility issues, and now the PS£ has the same problems! Where's English_Crusader to put his version of the corporate spin on this...........
Hold the Phone, I'm sure all the PS£ fanboys keep on slagging off the 360 due to its backwards compatibility issues, and now the PS£ has the same problems! Where's English_Crusader to put his version of the corporate spin on this...........
Oh how the mighty have fallen! It doesn't seem so long ago when Sony were lauding the fact that they'd have full backwards compatibility whilst Microsoft wouldn't.
Besides with such spectacularly stellar launch titles as Theos Turd Island IIX and Generic FPS shooter VI who needs PS2 compatibility!!!!!!!, and on top of that PS1 is 100% compatible, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a complete kick in the teeth for potential European PS3 owners by Sony, why can't PAL versions have the same abilities as US & Japanese PS3's (They do charge us more after all).
I swear Sony's marketing and development team work for Microsoft!
This had better mean a price reduction for the PS3 in Europe at launch. Why else would you be paying the same price for PS3 (which is already more expensive here than in the U.S. and Japan) for even fewer capabilities than their U.S. and Japanese cousins?
Plus it doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't this mean even more delays on the production front since they will now have to alter the PS3 again internally? Or is it just some bit of software or firmware they're leaving out?
This is because they have removed the processor from the machine that handled the backwards compatibility and replaced it with software emulation in order to cut costs.
Do we see these cost cuts passed on? The PS3 is still too expensive for the average gamer.
This is because they have removed the processor from the machine that handled the backwards compatibility and replaced it with software emulation in order to cut costs.
Do we see these cost cuts passed on? The PS3 is still too expensive for the average gamer.
This is annoying news - doesn't affect my preorder situation as i have a PS2 that plays imports etc so if any games don't work on PS3 I have my PS2 in the next room. Still this is bad news for the 0.00001% of people who don't have a PS2 but ARE getting a PS3.
Whoever buys a PS£ at launch is a fool, regardless of being any sort of fanboy, there are no decent games, overpriced, ripping off euro consumers, no PS2 backwards compatibility, but a fool and his money are easily parted
This is annoying news - doesn't affect my preorder situation as i have a PS2 that plays imports etc so if any games don't work on PS3 I have my PS2 in the next room. Still this is bad news for the 0.00001% of people who don't have a PS2 but ARE getting a PS3.
What about the poor peeps who's PS2 has broken?, they are going to be miffed, I have the same issue with my 360, some xbox games work, some don't, and my xbox is buggered
This is annoying news - doesn't affect my preorder situation as i have a PS2 that plays imports etc so if any games don't work on PS3 I have my PS2 in the next room. Still this is bad news for the 0.00001% of people who don't have a PS2 but ARE getting a PS3.
or those that dont want another player/console under the telly cluttering everything up
UN - FRIGGIN' - BELIEVEABLE!!! Sony have shot themselves in the foot so many times that they must be left with nothing but a bloody stump at this stage. Apart from all their lies and broken promises, lack of launch titles and inability to even match, let alone eclipse, the graphical capability of a year-old console, they have to screw Europe repeatedly!! We are last to get the machine, it's most expensive for us, and then they get the brilliant idea of REMOVING backward compatibility.
...and yet peple like seedaripper and English_Crusader STILL want to support them and buy their console... I really can't understand the mentality behind that. Although this most recent development may finally make them wake up. I was considering a PS3 as a Blu-Ray Player and PS2 emulator combo, because we all know there are like what, two PS3 exclusives left?... but I guess that's that out the window as well.
I really dont see the point of the PS3, Sony really did not think about what they were doing when developing the console and I wont even consider buying the blasted thing until 1. it comes down to £250 and 2. their are loads of exclusive titles and not loads of ports or stupid movie licence tie ins which I hate!
At the end of the day I dont care about blu-ray or high def graphics I just want a simple console that does what says on the box like Wii or Xbox 360 because I own these two console I really dont think the market needs another imitation console, just look what happened to the gamecube its time Sony woke up like the sleeping dragon that it is and bring out somthing special! Please?
Wait, let me get this straight: The PS3 is 100% backwards compatible with PS games but not 100% with PS2? Wow, Sony really have their technological priorities right don't they? & they've done it to cut costs but still no price reduction? Like that REALLY makes any sense.
Oh and btw people, leave English_Crusader alone. Unless you haven't realized by now he's changed for the better Now it's only seedaripper we've got to bully into submission, though knowing him that'll be near-impossible
Oh dear oh dear, Another slap in the face for us europeans & for the fanboys another shafting from Phil & the gang.
On the brightside there will be firmware upgrades which may or may not be of any use for backwards compatbility.
This is another major kick in the b******s for gamers & as one poster already stated he sold his PS2 to raise some of funds for a PS3 & now he feels he has been kicked in the teeth & I dont blame him.
At least MS were straight up about their backwards compatability issues & did not promise that "all" games would run & sony were crowing that there solution was so great & now its almost in the crapper.
After all the hype false promises higher price than the rest of the world we now get less features in the machine to make it even more not worth the £425 if you want a cheap movie player then go ahead but when most people do not have a TV that can really take advantage of it what is the point, & as a games console Sony just keep making 1 mistake after another lately hardly inspiring confidence in people are they?
Wait for a price drop it will happen sooner rather than later IMO Wii & 360 are offering so much more as Games consoles & are much cheaper at the moment I think there will be a lot of dissapointed people after the 23rd March & those that do buy it will not admit because they will look like noobs for spending that much cash in the 1st place.
I'm no fanboy and I was going to buy a PS3 but this is the final straw. Something needs to be done. Sony have cut off all import avenues and think they have the consumer over a barrel. We need to act positively and try to convince anyone with a pre-order to cancel it, it's the only way Sony will ever take notice, if we hit them where it hurts - financially. If anyone has any ideas of how to organise this please post them - could you imagine what would happen if Sony were to sell only a bare minimum of units on launch, it's a satisfying thought.
I'm no fanboy and I was going to buy a PS3 but this is the final straw. Something needs to be done. Sony have cut off all import avenues and think they have the consumer over a barrel. We need to act positively and try to convince anyone with a pre-order to cancel it, it's the only way Sony will ever take notice, if we hit them where it hurts - financially. If anyone has any ideas of how to organise this please post them - could you imagine what would happen if Sony were to sell only a bare minimum of units on launch, it's a satisfying thought.
Mass lobotomies for all the fanboys & morons that think its actually worth the cash?
Oh look... another of the promises sony made about the PS3 has gone firmly down the pan.
what. a. surprise.
hang on... wasn't the ps3 supposed to be way better than the 360, have twin hdmi output, be 100% backpat with the PS2 and play games the like of which you can;t so anywhere else?
Is there a single thing sony initially promised about the PS3, apart from blu ray disc, that it has actually delivered?
Err... no... which is why for the first time since i was 12 (i'm now 29), I am not even interested - let alone buying - a console during it;s launch.
Come on... the 360 is so strong atm, why would you waste £425 on a PS3 (plus another £30 for an HD cable, and £50 for a game), when you could save that cash for: Mass Effect, Bio shock, fable 2, Halo 3, Forza 2... and so on?
Currently the ps3 only has heavenly sword in it's line up looking any good, and that has recently started looking a lot more average in terms of play mechanics than was promised.
Oh look... another of the promises sony made about the PS3 has gone firmly down the pan.
what. a. surprise.
hang on... wasn't the ps3 supposed to be way better than the 360, have twin hdmi output, be 100% backpat with the PS2 and play games the like of which you can;t so anywhere else?
Is there a single thing sony initially promised about the PS3, apart from blu ray disc, that it has actually delivered?
Err... no... which is why for the first time since i was 12 (i'm now 29), I am not even interested - let alone buying - a console during it;s launch.
Come on... the 360 is so strong atm, why would you waste £425 on a PS3 (plus another £30 for an HD cable, and £50 for a game), when you could save that cash for: Mass Effect, Bio shock, fable 2, Halo 3, Forza 2... and so on?
Currently the ps3 only has heavenly sword in it's line up looking any good, and that has recently started looking a lot more average in terms of play mechanics than was promised.
I sold my PS2 months ago knowing that the US PS3 was almost 100% backward compatible. I was looking forward to playing FFXII, Bully, God of Wars II, Dragon Quest VII and many others as I intended picking them up on the 23rd March. Now I'm hearing that the UK machine be completely compatible so does it mean that those games won't work anymore?
I know backwards compatibility isn't essential but it's a nice feature to have during the first few months of a new console's life as they invariably suffer from a lack of new games (the 360 did and the Wii is in the midst of one). Also it reduces the number of consoles you need to own.
I'm a tad p**sed off about this realy as part of the justication for paying £425 for the PS3 was that I got a free PSone and PS2 as well as Blu-ray movie player and brand new games console.
SONY ANNOUNCES PS3 INCOMPATIBILITY WITH PS3 GAMES:
In an unusual move Sony has announced that it's new PS3 will not support PS3 games. "We feel that offering a Blu Ray player and full 1080p support is all the customer needs in this generation. Game playing on a gaming machine is so last century. It is possible in the future we may offer an add on drive which will allow PS3 owners to play Sega Saturn games but we have no announcement about that at this time. We've also dropped HDMI support because we feel it isn't crucial to our plan for full HDTV support at this juncture. The most exciting thing we plan is a price increase that will require our rabid fans who make an average income to sell organs in order to purchase a PS3. Spiderman 2 is still included with the PS3 for free!"
I mean, sure, Sony did promise backward compatibility with all PS2 and PS1 games but anyone relying on that is a fool. It would be nice to have but it's not the end of the world. My xbox 360 only plays a handful of games which I didn't get to play as I didn't have a xbox but if it didn't all I'd need to do is pick up an xbox for £50 and play them on that.
If anything, how many people would honest say that they would spend more than 2% of their entire console's lifespan playing games from a previous generation.
Sure, Sony lied and went back on a promise but at the end of the day, it's a feature that's in all likelihood isn't going to be used to any great depth.
It's one lie after another with Sony, they'll never change.
Remember when the PS3 was annouced as having had two HDMI ports and three ethernet ports to belittle Microsoft's Xbox 360 at E3 2005? Then we had the nonsense about the SIXAXIS pad lacking rumble because the technologies conflicted which was proven otherwise by Immersion. And I distinctly remember Sony promising that the PS3 would be 100% backward compatible with older PlayStation games, again in an effort to undermine what Microsoft were doing with their 360.
Well I guess I'll have to check the compatibility list before launch to see which games do work and they'd better include those PS2 games I want otherwise I may just decide to cancel my pre-order and buy a PS3 at a later date when its cheaper, i.e. when its price matches its cutdown specs!!!
I mean, sure, Sony did promise backward compatibility with all PS2 and PS1 games but anyone relying on that is a fool. It would be nice to have but it's not the end of the world. My xbox 360 only plays a handful of games which I didn't get to play as I didn't have a xbox but if it didn't all I'd need to do is pick up an xbox for £50 and play them on that.
If anything, how many people would honest say that they would spend more than 2% of their entire console's lifespan playing games from a previous generation.
Sure, Sony lied and went back on a promise but at the end of the day, it's a feature that's in all likelihood isn't going to be used to any great depth.
Actually i and others as you can see from responces DO think its a big deal, i recently bought 4 PS2 games after checking on the US PS3 site that they work on the PS3 when in actual fact now i've probably wasted money and they might not work at all, for others selling their PS2 after being told their games work on a PS3....so yeah its a big deal Sony have gone too far and should have announced this BEFORE pre orders starting being taken and before the official price of £425 was announced, we pay over the odds for a machine that does less....considering cancelling my pre order.
It's ironic that Sony paved the way for emulation of older games with the PS2 and now has decided that it's not that important after all (despite what they say). I've always considered emulation a good thing as no-one wants three consoles from the same manufacturer under their TVs when they can just have one.
It seems to me that Sony are doing everything they can to ensure the PS3 fails in Europe... a high price, a late launch and now the news of cutdown hardware that's cheaper for Sony to make but more expensive for us to buy than the US or Japan.
Shame on you, Sony! I really hope they get a lot of backlash over this.
Thanks Sony, I was doubting whether to cancel my PS3 pre-order or not, you've made my decision so much easier.
Now, I didn't play many PSOne games on PS2 to be honest but this is not why I've cancelled, I don't like being treated the way Sony are treating us, why do I have to pay more for less? No thanks Sony, I'll stick to 360 Wii and DS, and may completely ignore you this time around, I might miss on some great games, but I don't give a sh!t anymore, I don't have time to play many games these days anyway.
UN - FRIGGIN' - BELIEVEABLE!!! Sony have shot themselves in the foot so many times that they must be left with nothing but a bloody stump at this stage. Apart from all their lies and broken promises, lack of launch titles and inability to even match, let alone eclipse, the graphical capability of a year-old console, they have to screw Europe repeatedly!! We are last to get the machine, it's most expensive for us, and then they get the brilliant idea of REMOVING backward compatibility.
...and yet peple like seedaripper and English_Crusader STILL want to support them and buy their console... I really can't understand the mentality behind that. Although this most recent development may finally make them wake up. I was considering a PS3 as a Blu-Ray Player and PS2 emulator combo, because we all know there are like what, two PS3 exclusives left?... but I guess that's that out the window as well.
LMAO i think you to go and get a life if you are getting so worked up about a console and Sony who like Microsoft are not in this for the love but for the money and both of them screw the public. At the end of the day i think the PS3 is a good deal because i am getting a BR player built into it and all the games i want to play are on the PS3 not the 360 (DMC4,MGS4,Lair,Warhawk,F1,Motorstorm,) Also some of the best games i have ever played have been on Playstation so i see no reason why the PS3 wont give me AAA games. Oh and the main reason i would buy one is to play PS3 games not PS2 games i have a PS2 for playing PS2 games on.
I cant believe i was ever actually thinking of getting a PS£, I never had anything against Sony until this PS£ crpa, Sony are just shafting us Europeans left right and centre, i urge anyone with a pre-order to cancel it because if sales are bad on launch they will have to seriously reconsider their european strategy and this benefits everyone in the long run
Oh look... another of the promises sony made about the PS3 has gone firmly down the pan.
what. a. surprise.
hang on... wasn't the ps3 supposed to be way better than the 360, have twin hdmi output, be 100% backpat with the PS2 and play games the like of which you can;t so anywhere else?
Is there a single thing sony initially promised about the PS3, apart from blu ray disc, that it has actually delivered?
Err... no... which is why for the first time since i was 12 (i'm now 29), I am not even interested - let alone buying - a console during it;s launch.
Come on... the 360 is so strong atm, why would you waste £425 on a PS3 (plus another £30 for an HD cable, and £50 for a game), when you could save that cash for: Mass Effect, Bio shock, fable 2, Halo 3, Forza 2... and so on?
Currently the ps3 only has heavenly sword in it's line up looking any good, and that has recently started looking a lot more average in terms of play mechanics than was promised.
WILL YOU f**k OFF! "come on the 360 is so strong atm, why would you buy" bla bla bla. Do you work for Microsoft, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me.
The 360 is a good console and I enjoy playing on it, buuuuuut the PS3 has got a fantastic line up for launch. RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5 all on launch.
What’s that I here you say......a lot of these were already released on the 360 ages ago.
Well that’s the great thing about the PS3, its gonna have virtually every game on the 360 plus, resistance, motorcross the up and coming heavenly sword, gt, dmc, lair, warhawk, white night story, tekken mgs, ff, another god of war and another title from the creators of ico. PLUS free online service, wifi, Bluetooth pads and BLU RAY.
The DMC, GT, TEKKEN, MGS, FF, though not original titles with the exception of FF, these games are reason enough to buy PS3 and will help sell the console by the s**t load.
If your a serious gamer buy all the consoles if you got the cash, don’t be slanted and rape another platform for its negatives without even considering its positives.
SONY ANNOUNCES PS3 INCOMPATIBILITY WITH PS3 GAMES:
In an unusual move Sony has announced that it's new PS3 will not support PS3 games. "We feel that offering a Blu Ray player and full 1080p support is all the customer needs in this generation. Game playing on a gaming machine is so last century. It is possible in the future we may offer an add on drive which will allow PS3 owners to play Sega Saturn games but we have no announcement about that at this time. We've also dropped HDMI support because we feel it isn't crucial to our plan for full HDTV support at this juncture. The most exciting thing we plan is a price increase that will require our rabid fans who make an average income to sell organs in order to purchase a PS3. Spiderman 2 is still included with the PS3 for free!"
RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5........
"fantastic lineup"? Thats worse than the wii's, at least the wii had Zelda. Have you not bin reading the review of ps£'s launch games? Some of the lowest scores ive seen in edge and gamestm
Oh yeah oblivion and VF5 look good but ill play them on my pc and 360.
I wonder what wil happen then if DMC, MGS, FF, migrate to 360 in the future then, because lets face facts a lot of "PS3" exclusives have already jumped or are jumping ship to 360 as devs I think can see that making them for just 1 machine is not justifying their bottom lines.
& F1 got a crappy review from Edge mag, & having played motorstorm & resistance & RR7 im not convinced its worth £425 if you want to buy the machine as a cheap BR player then great if you want it as a games console to play DMC, MGS etc etc you might as well wait until its cheaper as these games are not going to be out for a while yet in fact I would not be surprised if none of these titles are available by years end 07.
RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5........
"fantastic lineup"? Thats worse than the wii's, at least the wii had Zelda. Have you not bin reading the review of ps£'s launch games? Some of the lowest scores ive seen in edge and gamestm
Oh yeah oblivion and VF5 look good but ill play them on my pc and 360.
yes and notice the Wii only had Zelda! the rest were sh*t! IMO the Wii has one good game and thats Zelda. Also i have been buying edge since day one ( before you were born) and no PS3 game has scored 1s and 2s! you speak crap please think before you post.
I mean, sure, Sony did promise backward compatibility with all PS2 and PS1 games but anyone relying on that is a fool. It would be nice to have but it's not the end of the world. My xbox 360 only plays a handful of games which I didn't get to play as I didn't have a xbox but if it didn't all I'd need to do is pick up an xbox for £50 and play them on that.
If anything, how many people would honest say that they would spend more than 2% of their entire console's lifespan playing games from a previous generation.
Sure, Sony lied and went back on a promise but at the end of the day, it's a feature that's in all likelihood isn't going to be used to any great depth.
Actually i and others as you can see from responces DO think its a big deal, i recently bought 4 PS2 games after checking on the US PS3 site that they work on the PS3 when in actual fact now i've probably wasted money and they might not work at all, for others selling their PS2 after being told their games work on a PS3....so yeah its a big deal Sony have gone too far and should have announced this BEFORE pre orders starting being taken and before the official price of £425 was announced, we pay over the odds for a machine that does less....considering cancelling my pre order.
Ok, granted. I've obviously underestimated the importance of this feature as I would have rarely played PS1 games on my PS2 and therefore based the above opinion on my own experiences. I guess it all depends on what way people view the PS3. I don't think however it would be right for Sony to call it a "media hub" anymore as it has lost too many features.
As regards PS2s, you can pick them up for £50. Everyone should perhaps consider one of those over a PS3 until the PS3 has a larger games library to choose from.
I'm not interested in PS3 so perhaps don't have all the facts... Are the US and Japanese versions going to have full backward compatibility with PS2? Will the PS3 have the equivalent to VC (I get the impression the 360 does already?).
Looks like the PS3 is going to be Sony's white elephant. By the sounds of it only a fool would buy it... but there are plenty of those on this forum
I'm not interested in PS3 so perhaps don't have all the facts... Are the US and Japanese versions going to have full backward compatibility with PS2? Will the PS3 have the equivalent to VC (I get the impression the 360 does already?).
The way I read it, ALL future PS3's will have the PS2 emulation hardware removed. Only the lucky few who bought them in the US or Japanese launch get full BC with PS2 titles.
It's a money saving exercise. Unfortunately it cuts into one of the features that PS3 had over it's competition. Shame since there are some good PS2 titles around right now.
TBH i think this is a bit over hyped, there is still going to be a large amount of ps2 combatable games with the ps3 and via firmware updates the number will improve
at the mo every1 is just slating sony for next to nothing, i mean as long as GOW2, FF12, Okami and all big/popular games work thats all what matters - nobody will be too gutted if sonic heros aint backward combatable.
The ps3 launch is simalar to ps2 in the fact that loads of people are deciding its fate as a disaster already
Chances are the ps2 games will be barely played on the ps3 much anyway especially when the ps3s games libary increases.
Hopfully on March 23rd all this bad press disapears as people actully get to play the console and then judge it for its games, not just every little thing which is negitive towards the ps3 now!
Although this doesn't really bother me as my PS2 is more than capable of handling the bc duties I do think it is somewhat of a kick in the nuts for us Europeans.
RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5........
"fantastic lineup"? Thats worse than the wii's, at least the wii had Zelda. Have you not bin reading the review of ps£'s launch games? Some of the lowest scores ive seen in edge and gamestm
Oh yeah oblivion and VF5 look good but ill play them on my pc and 360.
yes and notice the Wii only had Zelda! the rest were sh*t! IMO the Wii has one good game and thats Zelda. Also i have been buying edge since day one ( before you were born) and no PS3 game has scored 1s and 2s! you speak crap please think before you post.
He never said that it was getting 1's & 2's but I have seen the scores & they aint that great either.
TBH i think this is a bit over hyped, there is still going to be a large amount of ps2 combatable games with the ps3 and via firmware updates the number will improve
Everyone knows software emulation pretty much sux and takes ages to get right and its still not 100%, look at mame some games took ages to emulate
at the mo every1 is just slating sony for next to nothing
nope, its common sense that theyre really taking the p**s with us europeans, not only are the making more on each console, theyre making more on a console THATS CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PRODUCE FOR EUROPE becuase it doesnt have a PS2 Emotion chip
The ps3 launch is simalar to ps2 in the fact that loads of people are deciding its fate as a disaster already
Youre right, PS2 launch titles were crap
Chances are the ps2 games will be barely played on the ps3 much anyway especially when the ps3s games libary increases.
I disagree, i still play metal gear on my PS2, so not everyone will dump their old catalog, although im sure eventually there'll be those with only the few PS2 titles
Hopfully on March 23rd all this bad press disapears as people actully get to play the console and then judge it for its games, not just every little thing which is negitive towards the ps3 now!
true, but excluding the fact that the PS£ is a golrified cheapy blu-ray player, is there actually anything positive to say about it? even the games are standard generic fare
And so once again Sony Computer Entertainment are proved to be an incompetent bunch of liars, fools and charlatans. (Unlike the TV and Hi-fi sections who make great AV gear. I just wanted to make the distinction)
And for their next trick? They will re-launch asbestos as the gaming snack of choice for all their fans, who once again, will not question what they are told and know that it will be good for them because Sony makes it!
Full back-cat was the PS3's one (and only) unique selling point over the competition and they've just blown it.
And don't say "Its a cheap blu-ray player!" because as ANYONE who has to sell these consoles will tell you the minute you mention Blu-ray to the average punter they will give you a blank look and ask you what the hell is Blu-ray??!!
there is nothing i can say that hasn't already been said here, this is terrible news for pal users, not only do we get shafted and have 2 pay more 4 the console, there droppin' PS2 100% BC for us, sony get 1 thing straight, u need 2 support the ps3 better than this and not just hope brand name will win the day.
The thing that really annoys me. Is that once again it is EU that gets a sticky deal. If they reomved that chip why are we still paying the same price, should they not offer both at launch?? Microsoft if you are watching, get the last exclusive for PS£ migrating your way and you'll would have made it for EU. That is now the ONLY reason why I would consider buying PS£. If only people could keep away from it in EU games production would naturally move to 360 for EU (at least a reason to have to wait 1 year before getting games here)
As to blue ray I 'd rather buy a reader if it really wins than offering my custom.
Everyone knows software emulation pretty much sux and takes ages to get right and its still not 100%, look at mame some games took ages to emulate
true but in long run, you wont really be playing ps2 games
nope, its common sense that theyre really taking the p**s with us europeans, not only are the making more on each console, theyre making more on a console THATS CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PRODUCE FOR EUROPE becuase it doesnt have a PS2 Emotion chip
Yep, expect this to occur in all territorys in future, however it will also help to promote a price cut in the future
Youre right, PS2 launch titles were crap
yep and so were sales to begin with, its why its way to early for any1 to right of the ps3
I disagree, i still play metal gear on my PS2, so not everyone will dump their old catalog, although im sure eventually there'll be those with only the few PS2 titles
i still play ff12, okami, mgs3 etc however all popular games are almost certain to be backwards combatable (like360)
true, but excluding the fact that the PS£ is a golrified cheapy blu-ray player, is there actually anything positive to say about it? even the games are standard generic fare
at present there arent bad (alot better than most console launchs) motorstorm, resistance and vf5 will go down well and then other titles (abit on other consoles already) such as R6v, oblivion, COD3 etc help to give it a strong launch. As for the future, FF13, MGS4, killzone2, heavenly sword, lair, warhawk, white knight story will all help to improve sales to gamers and games such as eyetoy, singstar etc will help attract to a wider audience. As for blue-ray, people are becoming more aware as HDTVs continue to keep on selling and this will help improve ps3 sales (much the way dvdplayer helped the ps2 to sell with to beginwith)
If the PS3 now comes without EE+GS chip (The Heart of PS2), im guessing thats a pretty big price reduction they've made at the manufacturing stage.
I wonder if that will get passed on to me...?
If i'm now getting bare bones back-pat, as opposed to fully fledged PS2 compatibility, you'd think they could maybe sell it for £380, as a gesture of goodwill that they f**ked up again, lol
The more i think about it the angrier I get - less machine for more money - they can foff. I am genuinly considering cancelling my pre-order and importing if I've got to keep my old PS2 anyway.
Apparantly videogameplus.ca is selling for signnificantly less at £327.66 delivered enough left over to buy a game, hdmi and a PS2 from ASDA! You can also import all those NTSC PS2 games that never made it here!!
There seems to be a lot of fanboy rants in here so I'm just going to say my piece. It's disappointing that the PS3 is going to have backwards compatibility in the same way the 360 does as I've still got a few Xbox games I'd like to get through. I only have room to set up three consoles in my room, right now it's the 360, Wii and PS2. There's no room to put my Xbox but I have a lot of Xbox games still to finish or I'd like to play through again (like Jet Set Radio Future). We don't know for sure exactly which PS2 games will work although I'm hoping it'll be the better ones like We Love Katamari, Ico, Okami etc and not just a random bunch like the Xbox games seem to be. Although with the vast catalogue of PS2 games who knows what games we'll be able to play on PS3.
The people who are cancelling their preorders because of this are frankly morons. Surely the main reason to buy a PS3 would be to play PS3 games? Backwards compatibility is just a bonus and isn't a reason to buy a new console.
The people who are cancelling their preorders because of this are frankly morons. Surely the main reason to buy a PS3 would be to play PS3 games? Backwards compatibility is just a bonus and isn't a reason to buy a new console.
I wonder what wil happen then if DMC, MGS, FF, migrate to 360 in the future then, because lets face facts a lot of "PS3" exclusives have already jumped or are jumping ship to 360 as devs I think can see that making them for just 1 machine is not justifying their bottom lines.
& F1 got a crappy review from Edge mag, & having played motorstorm & resistance & RR7 im not convinced its worth £425 if you want to buy the machine as a cheap BR player then great if you want it as a games console to play DMC, MGS etc etc you might as well wait until its cheaper as these games are not going to be out for a while yet in fact I would not be surprised if none of these titles are available by years end 07.
"If" my uncle had a f***y he'd be my aunt.......just stop it, you have made this point before. What if halo and gears end up on PS3? then 360 will be f**ked, its possible cos no matter how much you bash PS3 its gonna sell s**t loads. I never mentioned F1 and your views on motorstorm and resistance are irrelevant because they have healthy reviews and they will sell the PS3 along with all the games that have made the jump from xbox to playstaion e.g. oblivion. .
RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5........
"fantastic lineup"? Thats worse than the wii's, at least the wii had Zelda. Have you not bin reading the review of ps£'s launch games? Some of the lowest scores ive seen in edge and gamestm
Oh yeah oblivion and VF5 look good but ill play them on my pc and 360.
yes and notice the Wii only had Zelda! the rest were sh*t! IMO the Wii has one good game and thats Zelda. Also i have been buying edge since day one ( before you were born) and no PS3 game has scored 1s and 2s! you speak crap please think before you post.
The Wii has one good exclusive - true, but that means so far the Wii is beating the PS3 1-0
Its not about which is the better console, its about sony, after all the bad publicity theyve already had, we pay more for their console which is cheaper for them to make, they can f*** off. As time goes by theyre crippling everything the PS£ stood for -> dual screen, HDMI, now software emulated PS£, feck sake my PC can do that
Anyone calling those canceling pre-orders morons cos of this is a moron themselves, there is absolutely nothing going for the PS£ at the moment, if youre buying it on the pretncne of future titles then why are you paying more because by the time MGS4 etc will be out it will have well dropped in price. Buying now is high risk no gain, leaving it until later is low risk high gain, so i say again the morons are those buying now
I wonder what wil happen then if DMC, MGS, FF, migrate to 360 in the future then, because lets face facts a lot of "PS3" exclusives have already jumped or are jumping ship to 360 as devs I think can see that making them for just 1 machine is not justifying their bottom lines.
& F1 got a crappy review from Edge mag, & having played motorstorm & resistance & RR7 im not convinced its worth £425 if you want to buy the machine as a cheap BR player then great if you want it as a games console to play DMC, MGS etc etc you might as well wait until its cheaper as these games are not going to be out for a while yet in fact I would not be surprised if none of these titles are available by years end 07.
"If" my uncle had a f***y he'd be my aunt.......just stop it, you have made this point before. What if halo and gears end up on PS3? then 360 will be f**ked, its possible cos no matter how much you bash PS3 its gonna sell s**t loads. I never mentioned F1 and your views on motorstorm and resistance are irrelevant because they have healthy reviews and they will sell the PS3 along with all the games that have made the jump from xbox to playstaion e.g. oblivion. .
Kurtz I will keep making thses points as much as I want because it is the truth.
Yeah Resistance & Motorstorm have had healthy reviews but are two games that have not gotten brilliant scores BTW really worth £425?
Now the slap in the face to EU gamers over this whole Backpat issue is just another reason why Sony are getting a lot of flak recently. 360's launch games all got healthy reviews but it hasn't stopped some slagging them off either has it.
And as for Oblivion "jumping" it was never a 360 exclusive & was never touted as one either unlike Assassins creed, Mercenaries 2, etc, seems to me that the games that are leaving the PS3 to go multi format have actaully been stated as Exclusive whereas the games that have been available on 360 for ages have never been stated as Exclusive to begin with.
Oh BTW Kurtz how are my views any more less relevant than yours?
I have actually spent time playing Motorstorm & Resistance & IMO think that they are good titles but they are not worth the price of the machine to play them as yet, Resistance is not as good gameplay wise as Halflife 2 or Halo 2 or even Farcry to me & Motorstorm looks great & plays well but is pretty damn short on its gameplay at least the current import version is & they have not had much time really to include lots of extra content.
There seems to be a lot of fanboy rants in here so I'm just going to say my piece. It's disappointing that the PS3 is going to have backwards compatibility in the same way the 360 does as I've still got a few Xbox games I'd like to get through. I only have room to set up three consoles in my room, right now it's the 360, Wii and PS2. There's no room to put my Xbox but I have a lot of Xbox games still to finish or I'd like to play through again (like Jet Set Radio Future). We don't know for sure exactly which PS2 games will work although I'm hoping it'll be the better ones like We Love Katamari, Ico, Okami etc and not just a random bunch like the Xbox games seem to be. Although with the vast catalogue of PS2 games who knows what games we'll be able to play on PS3.
The people who are cancelling their preorders because of this are frankly morons. Surely the main reason to buy a PS3 would be to play PS3 games? Backwards compatibility is just a bonus and isn't a reason to buy a new console.
Could not agree more with you mate! the whole reason to buy a new console is to play new games! why buy a PS3 to play PS2 games? some people really need to get a life and stop crying over the fact the PS3 wont play every single PS2 game! WHY CARE FSS! most of the people who are having a good old bi*ch are the same people who always slag off sony (RichyRich,Falloutwarchief) and ass lick Microsoft! Sony Microsoft and Nintendo all screw the public (Microsoft have been doing this for years and are pros at it) get over it! I have no problem paying for a PS3 as I have a good job so £425 is a good price for what i want! A Next Gen games console to play PS3 games and a BR player!
Sony clearly thinks us Brits are stupid enough to pay more for less, and to cover the price cuts and better spec for the Japs and the US. Well sod them!
I have much Sony kit, but this is the final straw. No more Sony products for me or my family, as there are better products out there for less money!
I'm not alone in deciding this. Many people I speak to said they no longer buy Sony kit because of how they treat UK consumers.
I suggest that others do the same, and spend more time considering the alternatives.
Sony clearly thinks us Brits are stupid enough to pay more for less, and to cover the price cuts and better spec for the Japs and the US. Well sod them!
I have much Sony kit, but this is the final straw. No more Sony products for me or my family, as there are better products out there for less money!
I'm not alone in deciding this. Many people I speak to said they no longer buy Sony kit because of how they treat UK consumers.
I suggest that others do the same, and spend more time considering the alternatives.
OMG so let me get this clear! you are NEVER going to buy anything Sony again because SCE wont make all PS2 games work on the PS3!! some people might call that insane! I have a amazing Sony Bravia HDTV and had no problems with it but just because SCE have said not all PS2 games will work on the PS3 does not mean you should start a revolt! Did anyone stop using Windows because not all Xbox games worked on the 360? or because of the 'red rings of death'? No? didn't think so! now please stop being sad its a GAMES CONSOLE FFS girls are fun to play with too you know.
Crusader I dont dislike the Playstation consoles as I have had both the PS1 & 2, But what I and a lot of others are taking exception to is the fact that sony continue to lie to the public about their console & its services & features & now they are removing another part of the console which may be replaced at a later date via firmware updates.
What I and other dont like is that removing this is making the console cheaper to make & yet we are still expected to pay considerably more for the machine than other regions in the world, if I were to buy a PS3 it would be for PS3 games thats not the issue for many its the fact that its costing sony less to make it yet we are still getting charged more than anywhere else in the world for it.
Sony just gave us the finger. In bait 'n' switch flavour sauce, no less. The fact that the site showing which games they've managed to wrangle into some sort of "working" order in time is only going to be made available at launch date, is just preposterous.
They must have had this planned for a while now, so why haven't they set up a (real ) blog that initially shows a preliminary list of compatible titles, then keeps updating, at least. Because, perhaps THEY DON'T CARE? People pre-ordered one thing, and Sony are delivering quite another. I feel sorry for those folks, and hope they've the sense to cancel the sorry transaction they're currently committed to.
Crusader I dont dislike the Playstation consoles as I have had both the PS1 & 2, But what I and a lot of others are taking exception to is the fact that sony continue to lie to the public about their console & its services & features & now they are removing another part of the console which may be replaced at a later date via firmware updates.
What I and other dont like is that removing this is making the console cheaper to make & yet we are still expected to pay considerably more for the machine than other regions in the world, if I were to buy a PS3 it would be for PS3 games thats not the issue for many its the fact that its costing sony less to make it yet we are still getting charged more than anywhere else in the world for it.
Sony are not the first to screw Europe and by no means will be the last! but who gives a flying f*ck! as long as i get to play great games then thats fine with me! PS3 will come out on top just like the PS2 did. When the PS2 first came out it's sales were poor and the games that came out on day one in europe were pants! but now it has sales of +100mill and i think the PS3 will go down the same road! no matter what you think Sony do know what they are doing. anyway its a games console that people use to play games on and have fun. Some people think this a war and thats very sad. Just buy what console you think is right for you and enjoy the games because thats what they are made for
Man im not buying a PS3 to play Ps2 games. If god of war 2 works that will be great. As for other PS2 titles im not bothered. Once you start playing next gen games you very rarely go back. (unless your a weird Halo fanatic). I only use my 360 for this generation not last. Plus i am sick of fan boys and people moaning about prices etc. Can't afford it don't get it. If it means there will be no kids playing online on the PS3 because the machine is to expensive,then that is worth the cash alone. Kids on Xbox live fry my head.
why can't people see this is just wrong?, asking for more money for a console that does less than the ntsc versions?, heck they should give us extra for the wait and price, anyway by the time i buy a ps3 it will be cheaper and hopefully the PS2 BC list will of improved, oh and you can't compare a £200.00 console (360) to a £425 console (ps3) with nothing but some enhancements.
why can't people see this is just wrong?, asking for more money for a console that does less than the ntsc versions?, heck they should give us extra for the wait and price, anyway by the time i buy a ps3 it will be cheaper and hopefully the PS2 BC list will of improved, oh and you can't compare a £200.00 console (360) to a £425 console (ps3) with nothing but some enhancements.
Things always cost more in the U.K that's just the way things are. OH what's that you don't have the cash for the PS3 because you don't get paid enough on your paper round! DON'T BUY ONE THEN!!!! it is as simple as that! i mean ffs how long have people been crying over the price? i bet 99% of them are still at school and are only having a good old bi*ch because mummy and daddy have already got them a 360 and now wont buy them a PS3! well that is tough sh*t!
Of course you can compare the two. I have had to buy 2 360's due to the extremely poor build. I have HDTV and want a HD movie format. A premium 360 with the HD add on is as expensive as a PS3. I like the fact the PS3 has it built in. Some of us like the extras , built in wireless, memory card slots for easy transfer (unlike 360 once on the hard drive thats it) Blu-Ray of course, a HDMI socket to make use of my TV. My 360 (2nd one ) cost £200 quid but i panic every time i turn it on in case it red lights me. Overall for the similar features they cost the same. I'll buy both and have advantages of both.
Things always cost more in the U.K that's just the way things are. OH what's that you don't have the cash for the PS3 because you don't get paid enough on your paper round! DON'T BUY ONE THEN!!!! it is as simple as that! i mean ffs how long have people been crying over the price? i bet 99% of them are still at school and are only having a good old bi*ch because mummy and daddy have already got them a 360 and now wont buy them a PS3! well that is tough sh*t!
No he's right. The less parents who buy the PS3 for their kids the better. Not all are bad but the ones who are aloud to play games online that they are to young for are just annoying.
Isn't the PS3 one single month away from it's launch?
It seems a little late in the day to be making announcements about hardware changes.
I'd like to know a bit more about BR as well. The PS3, as a BR player is the cheapest on the market, yes?
So what is stopping Sony from releasing the market's cheapest stand alone BR player? Costing less than a PS3... surely The Cell isn't crucial to BR playback, is it?
(Unlike the TV and Hi-fi sections who make great AV gear. I just wanted to make the distinction)
Don't mention the XBR backlight issues..Shhhh
Any who,i'm looking forward to buying a ps3,but and it's a big butt/butonly when the price is less than the current fifty gold pieces, and it's capable of running pirate software( may as well call a spade a spade here).
Based on the fact sony makes their money from selling software,me running pirate ware on ps3 is my way of bending sony over and stuffing them right up their ass,instead of them doing it to me and others again & again & again.....! .
But this hurts the developers you say,well,it's a Canis Canem Edit world !
No he's right. The less parents who buy the PS3 for their kids the better. Not all are bad but the ones who are aloud to play games online that they are to young for are just annoying.
BUT! the PS2 has only achieved its huge installed base on the backs of parents who have bought them for their kids & not just on adults 18-30 year olds who have bought them.
And these installed base numbers are not totally accurate I mean out of 100 mil sold how many still actually own the console many may have sold their PS2's, I know people who have had multiple PS2's either due to faults or getting tired of it then a game comes out they want & they buy another 1 etc just because they have sold 100 mil does not mean that there are 100 mil households with PS2 under their TV's
Isn't the PS3 one single month away from it's launch?
It seems a little late in the day to be making announcements about hardware changes.
I'd like to know a bit more about BR as well. The PS3, as a BR player is the cheapest on the market, yes?
So what is stopping Sony from releasing the market's cheapest stand alone BR player? Costing less than a PS3... surely The Cell isn't crucial to BR playback, is it?
Good point I mean the Samsung BR player in argos is £1000 & does not use the Cell at all.
Isn't the PS3 one single month away from it's launch?
It seems a little late in the day to be making announcements about hardware changes.
I'd like to know a bit more about BR as well. The PS3, as a BR player is the cheapest on the market, yes?
So what is stopping Sony from releasing the market's cheapest stand alone BR player? Costing less than a PS3... surely The Cell isn't crucial to BR playback, is it?
Good point I mean the Samsung BR player in argos is £1000 & does not use the Cell at all.
Consoles are always sold below cost initially, they need the user base and make all the cash back by recieving a cut of each software title sold
Things always cost more in the U.K that's just the way things are. OH what's that you don't have the cash for the PS3 because you don't get paid enough on your paper round! DON'T BUY ONE THEN!!!! it is as simple as that! i mean ffs how long have people been crying over the price? i bet 99% of them are still at school and are only having a good old bi*ch because mummy and daddy have already got them a 360 and now wont buy them a PS3! well that is tough sh*t!
Nice to hear mammy and daddy are rich
Very funny! what im saying is that the cost of the PS3 won't put me in debt because i am lucky to have a very good job and don't mind paying £425 for a console and a BR player. Why bit*h about the price of it? People have known about the price for some time and to tell you the truth LOTS of people still want one! so stop crying your eyes out over it! will the PS3 have AAA games? YES and thats what people buy a console for the games.
Isn't the PS3 one single month away from it's launch?
It seems a little late in the day to be making announcements about hardware changes.
I'd like to know a bit more about BR as well. The PS3, as a BR player is the cheapest on the market, yes?
So what is stopping Sony from releasing the market's cheapest stand alone BR player? Costing less than a PS3... surely The Cell isn't crucial to BR playback, is it?
Good point I mean the Samsung BR player in argos is £1000 & does not use the Cell at all.
Consoles are always sold below cost initially, they need the user base and make all the cash back by recieving a cut of each software title sold
We know that but the £1k price does make you think that its a bit much considering PS3 has the same BR player capabilities & is less than half the price includes Blutooth, Wifi, Memory card slots, HDD & is also games console they could still make them cheaper than a grand.
& they could apply the same principle in Sony's case they could make a cheap standalone player & make money back opn their own BR movies they do have a lot of movies under the Sony pictures umbrella after all.
In terms of GAMES the PS3 does not really have many reasons to justify its pric tag though.
Motorstorm: good but short & pretty limited Resistance: looks good but not as playable as older FPS franchises allthough the PS pad design does not lend itself well to FPS Ridge racer 7: updated version of RR6 & getting old now anyway Virtua fighter 5: fantastic game but I cannot see anyone paying out the best part of £500 just for this seeing as an updated version is coming to 360 later in the year. F-1: pretty much the same game that came out on PS2 4 months ago
All the others are or will be available on PC & 360 cheaper & look just as good on most TV's as a lot of people cannot afford HDTV's that take advantage of HDMI.
As a cheap movie player it makes sense at the moment because stand alone players are 1k a pop, but how good will its playback be in a years time & by then you could be able to get a stand alone player for about the same price with better quality playback.
Things always cost more in the U.K that's just the way things are.
does that mean i have 2 be happy about it?, no it sucks !
OH what's that you don't have the cash for the PS3 because you don't get paid enough on your paper round!
for me £425 is a lot of money for playing games, and compared to the 360 (the newer versions are more reliable than the first versions, plus newer quieter versions are coming)as a games machine it is not worth it.....yet
i mean ffs how long have people been crying over the price?
you must be a drug dealer cos u say u got a well paid job, but are never off this site, yes you are happy with the PS3 well enjoy it on march 23rd now be on your way.
WILL YOU f**k OFF! "come on the 360 is so strong atm, why would you buy" bla bla bla. Do you work for Microsoft, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me.
The 360 is a good console and I enjoy playing on it, buuuuuut the PS3 has got a fantastic line up for launch. RESISTANCE, MOTOERCROSS, FIGHT NIGHT, OBOLIVIAN, CALL OF DUTY, VF5 all on launch.
What’s that I here you say......a lot of these were already released on the 360 ages ago.
Well that’s the great thing about the PS3, its gonna have virtually every game on the 360 plus, resistance, motorcross the up and coming heavenly sword, gt, dmc, lair, warhawk, white night story, tekken mgs, ff, another god of war and another title from the creators of ico. PLUS free online service, wifi, Bluetooth pads and BLU RAY.
The DMC, GT, TEKKEN, MGS, FF, though not original titles with the exception of FF, these games are reason enough to buy PS3 and will help sell the console by the s**t load.
If your a serious gamer buy all the consoles if you got the cash, don’t be slanted and rape another platform for its negatives without even considering its positives.
Several points need to be made:
1. The 360 already has a number of exclusives (Dead Rising, Gears of War, Lost Planet, Crackdown) with quite a few more planned (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Fable 2, Alan Wake). You make it sound like pretty much every single 360 game will go across to th PS3. Not true.
2. Alot of the games coming across from the 360 are now around £20-£25 on the 360. PS3 users will still have to pay full price (£39.99/£49.99).
3. DMC, MGS and FF may be big with the hardcore ground, but these games won't be a sufficent reason to by a PS3 for the casual gamer (and the reason Sony have done so well is BECAUSE of the casual gamer). It seems to me that Nintendo's Wii and Wii Sports has attracted the casual gamer more than the PS3 and it's games currently is.
4. If you're a true serious gamer, you won't necessarily buy all the consoles like you try to make out. You'll buy the console or consoles that has a sufficent number of games on it that you're interested in playing. Anyone who buys all 3 consoles, regardless of whether there's any games worth playing on it are fools and should be treated as such.
5. Yes the PS3 will sell 'sh*t loads' initially - it did in Japan and America, but it's future is not as certain as you believe. The Wii is currently outselling the PS3 between 2-1 and 3-1 in Japan and America. The high price is already having an impact on sales over there. The PS3 might last 5-10 years as Sony hopes, but whether Sony maintains it's market lead this generation is another matter. The winner of this generation has never looked so unpredictable.
lol this is better than tv, it's backwards compatability so chill out guys 'If like me you live in a solid gold mansion and have a disposable income of thousands of pounds you don't need to worry about buying a ps3. But there are people out there who arn't as well off as we are, yes it's hard to believe but some people out there have low income jobs, they can't afford rocket cars and trips to the moon, because they have to spend money on food and shelter. these little people need our help, but how you ask, how can we help these poor sods, well thats what im here to explain. you can help them by calling them immature, stupid or whiny morons. But possibly the best thing that you can do for them is to tell them that if the ps3 so expensive, even with their 2 jobs, one part time at tesco, the other at burger king(please note that there are other money grabbing, land grabbing companies than those mentioned), they should take the advice of the GREAT AND ALL POWERFUL SONY, and get another job.' plaese note that I dont particularly care about the article and I wont be replying to anyone, I just wanted to join in with the flaming because I felt left out.
Things always cost more in the U.K that's just the way things are.
does that mean i have 2 be happy about it?, no it sucks !
OH what's that you don't have the cash for the PS3 because you don't get paid enough on your paper round!
for me £425 is a lot of money for playing games, and compared to the 360 (the newer versions are more reliable than the first versions, plus newer quieter versions are coming)as a games machine it is not worth it.....yet
i mean ffs how long have people been crying over the price?
you must be a drug dealer cos u say u got a well paid job, but are never off this site, yes you are happy with the PS3 well enjoy it on march 23rd now be on your way.
im a dev so i am always working on a P.C! and now and then ill take a look on this site and throw a post in! being a drug dealer would mean i have more time on my hands but its not my thing
the cell is needed for blu-ray as it does all the work. The samsung player(which is not good by the way)does it differently.
I have a Japanese PS3 and it cost me £260 yes thats right. I had a relative in Japan on business he was there for 8 weeks. He picked up a ps3 very easy and was able to bring it back with him duty free as if you carry the system with you get to bring in a limit of £1500 worth of goods. If he had sent it to me id have got hit with customs.
anyway this is daft charging more for a system that has less. If this enables the ps3 to cost less in production why is this not being passed on to uk consumers straight away.
Out of interest Super Swing Golf and Monkey ball were a launch games for the wii in japan and they are addictive so there is more than just zelda. Im no fanboy and happily now own all 3.
Virtua Fighter 5 is very good as is Motorstorm and i dont normally like racers hating the likes of GT. Thankfully Motorstorm is not po faced and is more like daytona and outrun mad and unrealistic fun.
Its wrong this though as people who are selling there ps2 console to get money for a ps3 are being ripped off. Some people who have brothers or sisters give their old consoles to them so bc is useful to them too. The Japanese PS3 i have plays every wild and mad game ive played on it so far pepsiman works fine for example.
Are the 1st release PS3 machines gonna be old school fully BC or have they ripped the PS2 bit out of all the models they have spent 6 months making for this very late release date?
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sony i'm sorry to say that you have made the biggest F**K UP since bloody DUNKIRK all these F*****N promises and all a pack of lies SONY YOU CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3,"
It makes no sense!
By removing the PS2 hardware from the PS3, Sony will instead have to spend time on updating software emulation for games that would otherwise just have worked. That actually leaves LESS resources to work on PS3 features than before!
Unless, of course, they barely spend any time on updates.
This is all marketing spin, simply to cover the fact that Sony are removing a feature to save money. The cost to the consumer is reduced PS2 Backwards compatibility for the same price.
Sony r truly taking the P**S out of us Europeans. First they keep us waiting 4 months longer than anyone and now they're selling us inferior consoles and still keeping up the price. People should sue if they've preordered because of false advertising. I know people probabaly own a PS2 already to play their games on but I'm sure the room under their teles is running out. This makes me so angry I could go for ever how Sony have F****D up big time but instead I'll play my 360.
Anyway, I don't thing Backward compatability is too bg of an issue really, its nice to have and I do feel for the guys out there who have sold their PS2's to raise money for it.
Personally I'm more annoyed that its just another thing that Sony promised and that they used against Microsoft but now they've turned around on the matter themselves, it would be nice if they could at least drop the price a bit to match the savings they re making on this (no chance in hell I know but I can hope).
Glad I bought mine in Canada then I bought it for the BD (not BR as everyone keeps say - thats the anal in me coming out!) player which will play my favourite Japanese & Korean BD movies For the price of this alone the console is worth it. Just my 2c
The only platform to have BC that mattered was PS2, because it improved on the experience and had a dearth of PS2 native software worth buying. No consoles before it cared much to have out-of-the-box BC, and after that it hasn't shown it's importance. No-one bought an XB360 to play XB games. Nor did people buy Wii's to play GC games, or PS3's to play PS2 games. The ability to play old games has advantages, and is a welcome feature, but it isn't the deciding factor to what platform to buy.
Putting it another way, how many people have sat around thinking 'I want a next-gen console, and XB360 has games I like at a cheaper price-point than PS3, and I don't care for BluRay, and I'm not interested in Linux, but I'm going to buy a PS3 anyway because it'll play my collection of PS2 games'? How many people are now going to say 'What?! PS3 might not play my PS2 games?! Well I'll buy a different console instead then, because the ability to play PS2 games was the only thing attracting me to PS3!?
Conceded it didn't help that Sony shot their mouths off about BC being a major selling point for the PS3 over the 360. Sony can win when their PR/Marketing/KrazyKK stop writing cheques with their mouths and having them bounce. It has been assumed, either from misleading marketing PR, or Sony flat out lying, that the software BC was on hold until it was up to par. Not perfect, but certainly they set the bar far higher than MS's which MS stated pretty quickly was a secondary consideration. Sony created the perception that their machine was head and shoulders above everything else. At some point, they are going to have to put up or shut up. Maybe, they are artificially lowering expectations, it's done in politics all the time, but if they are someone needs to speak with them about timing.
The funny thing is though, that I imported my Playstation 3 for $399USD 20GB model (Japanese version) + $40USD shipping. My mate walked into a store and bought it for me which was amazing since I know if I had asked my mate to do the same for a Playstation 2 when it was launched, he would have just laughed at me and said it would be impossible. You can also import it much cheaper from Playasia which is much cheaper than retail price at your local store. Ahh, console companies seem to be screwing up in some major way. Currently, I don't know which company to hate more... Nintendo for its arrogances or Sony for screwing everyone but US/Japan.
Sony promised in its previously announced launch details a backwards compatible console with the rest of the bull they spewed that day. They are clearly delivering a different product to that which many pre-ordered. They are therefore CROOKS, and should be liable to prosecution, with the goal being to force them to deliver those goods they promised.
Haven't they reneged on their contract obligations, here, with those people who can prove they pre-ordered before this unjustifiable BS act came to light?
SCEE are just despicable beyond contempt. The lows to which they stoop are surely going to become legendary. Unlike, if there's a drop of damn sense left in this country, the PIGS bank balance. I want any company with the words "Computer Entertainment Europe" in the conclusion of its title to be scornfully ripped from history's very pages, for being nought more than a shameful blot upon our otherwise highly enjoyable hobby!
Unfortunately, any legal avenue aside, the best we can hope for is to leave the bastards financially destitute...I'm aware of the importance of competition here, but damnit, Europe's just getting played like a mug!
Whilst it's true people don't buy a console just for backward compatibility there are plenty out there who see it as an important feature... For one thing, whilst we're waiting for new games to come out we can pick up some of the old stuff we may have missed out on. I was just reminded yesterday that I never got round to playing Chibi Robo on my Gamecube, which I gave away when I got a Wii - but hey I can still play it (assuming I can get hold of a copy!).
Emulation isn't straightforward so there's no guarantee that the big games from PS2 will run... it's much more likely to be a random selection based on the way in which the game was coded. And people are interested in playing old games - you think emulation would exist if they didn't?
If Sony wanted to cut their user-base down to die-hard fanboys they're certainly going the right way...
Perhaps they think the thing will sell because of the Blue-Ray drive... given PS2's DVD playback capabilities you'd be a very foolish person indeed to make that decision without some careful research (i.e. is PS3 Blue-Ray playback properly implemented?).
WHY OH WHY DO SONY ALWAYS DO THIS TO US i mean most EUROPEANS are loyal to SONY but this is going beyond a joke we pay loads more and then get S**T things for our well earned money i knew i should have gone to AMERICA instead of SPAIN for a holiday in november at least i would have got a decent PS3 for 200 odd quid that works and has got everything that was promised for F**K sake SONY you complete bunch of T**TS we have been fead on BULLS**T for the best part of a year before i used to think that SONY were the best thing since sliced bread but now they have just lost it completely.
UN - FRIGGIN' - BELIEVEABLE!!! Sony have shot themselves in the foot so many times that they must be left with nothing but a bloody stump at this stage. Apart from all their lies and broken promises, lack of launch titles and inability to even match, let alone eclipse, the graphical capability of a year-old console, they have to screw Europe repeatedly!! We are last to get the machine, it's most expensive for us, and then they get the brilliant idea of REMOVING backward compatibility.
...and yet peple like seedaripper and English_Crusader STILL want to support them and buy their console... I really can't understand the mentality behind that. Although this most recent development may finally make them wake up. I was considering a PS3 as a Blu-Ray Player and PS2 emulator combo, because we all know there are like what, two PS3 exclusives left?... but I guess that's that out the window as well.
i must admit its not the greatest of news...but it WILL eventually bring the price of the machine down as well as sort out heat and noise issues. until the list is revealed one can only speculate as to the titles left out. im sure all of the AAA titles will be covered,and the niche ones with enough want, will get firmware/software updates to sort the BC problem
well sony r really f**ked now. lol. this is a stupid move and anyone who has sold their ps2 is gonna be really p**sed now. i think sony just like f**king people over to be honest.
Lmao, Sony honest! can I have a puff of what your smoking please, or have I missed something but since when have they ever told the truth about something well in advance? or when have they ever really delivered on their hype & claims of what their machines can do?
And before certain people on here start chanting Fanboy I am well aware that others have also been economical with the truth as well & wont defend them either, MS killing support for the original Xbox so soon after the 360's release
Sony think they are smart first we get a very very very very very very very very very very very very very late launch here in the UK / E.U then we have to pay 425 pounds for the console not including the 20 gb version they wont release yet.
Then you have to be the one of the 500,000 that have to sign up to get the blu-ray version of Casino Royale whilst the U.S get there blu-ray packaged in the console then this outrage out having less backwards compatibility for ps2 / ps1 games than the U.S and japan.
Sony just keep screwing us UK / E.U citizens over and over and over and over and over again we need to teach Sony a lesson about equal rights.
And before i forget you guys aint gonna believe this but two guys broke into a store or a place dunno which just to play a ps3 before its released in the pal territories click on this to see what im talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0S7k6lPcQw
That's it. Scru u Sony! I use to favour PS over Xbox but after this fiasco you can wait over 2 years for my hard earned cash. Loads of UK gamers have waited patiently for the PS3 and not run out to buy the 360. But since we are going to be charged more than the US/Japanese gamers, and it seems the PS3 graphics don't seem as 'sharp' as the 360, losing exclusives, etc. And now you can't offer us the same library of games - scru u! Since Sony don't really care about us UK gamers, I say get a 360 and let Sony suffer another 'pompous' year. 6 years loyalty and now we get screwed. I hate MS, but now hate Sony more. Will be sending this news article to all the girls and boys up and down the country. Hope one of your lackeys read this cos at the mo you have hit a huge low with us gamers. *can't believe it!* It's Sony are turning MS.
I think alot of people miss the main point as if the ps2 playback is hardware in japan and the us and europe software and they do drop the price to the same as those 2 regions, doesnt that mean ur payin for an inferiour (sorry spellin) machine for the same price as other regions still bein ripped off either way..
I think alot of people miss the main point as if the ps2 playback is hardware in japan and the us and europe software and they do drop the price to the same as those 2 regions, doesnt that mean ur payin for an inferiour (sorry spellin) machine for the same price as other regions still bein ripped off either way..
If they dropped the price yeah it would still probably work out more expensive than the other regions but the point is that they are not dropping the price & we are still getting shafted even more because they are charging even more than a direct conversion between currencies.
I think that they should have knocked something off the price considering the machine they are giving our region is cheaper to manufacture I still would not buy it even at around £350 as I have I said before I have played the Exclusive games & I am not tempted to pay that sort of cash based on my experience of them but it would be a little easier to swallow for those that have preordered already who feel that they are getting a bit shafted by this latest turn of events
Regardless of your stance on all of this, there's no denying that Sony are releasing a console that falls seriously short of what was initially promised. There have been almost weekly announcements of revised plans, changed specs/release dates, and so on, and so on.
What puzzles me is that the gaming press were all over Sony's initial announcement of the PS3 and were falling over each other in excitement at what Sony were promising. Saturation coverage of what looked like being a killer app.
But now? Fanboy rants aside, there has been some serious debate by longtime, intelligent gamers on gaming forums around the world of Sony's slow back-tracking and broken promises.
So where are the gaming press now?
Give us some insight. Talk to the key players. Talk to gamers. Talk to retailers. Put some journalistic pressure on Sony to stop their constant spin.
Or are you afraid that the might of Sony might fall down on you and you may not get your free PS3's and games to review?
The gaming press's lack of interest in this story is suspect and, frankly, baffling.
A few choice comments from people on another forum I kick around on...
Tony is a Sony developer.
Originally posted by TonyKL
Originally posted by AndyB don't take this the wrong way, I'm genuinely interested.
How do you or your colleagues who work for Sony feel about the total mess that has been made of the PS3 marketing? It seems like they want it to fail?
Hmm, good question. Disappointed. I guess I can't really go into details of anything on a public forum.
I really do agree with the comments about how the delays and other things that Sony have done have hurt the PS3. I still think it will be a seller but the uptake will be much slower than the other consoles as nobody has any confidence in the device. It will come when more titles are released.
Take the Wii, everyone is raving about how much fun it is, you can't buy one easily and its 3 months later.
Its a shame Sony didnt make the global release of the PS3 it promised.
I know it doesnt really answer your question but its probably best.
And also:
Originally posted by newmotor I know someone that works for Sony and he told me that there is some degree of mild panic at just how badly things are going...
Bit hard to get mad at sony for the price as its not entirely their fault(though i would still smash their windows) im no business man but i do know tax in Europe is much higher than elsewhere and also that they'll be a hell of a lot of other factors that i could never understand driving up costs (if im wrong do tell me)
Backward compatability may not be an issue for some but theres no denying its quite a slap in the face, working in a game store ive had plenty of people trade in their ps2's under the belief that they'll no longer need them and im guessing theyre not exactly pleased, same as many others who'll of took this strategy to save up (myself included) also wouldnt of been as bad if Sony hadnt been going on about how backward compatatbility is so important and how the ps3 is superior to the 360 for it.
Blueray? Does anyone remember minidiscs? Probably not cause they were another good invention that never cornered the market. Blueray may indeed hold more data than DVD or HD-DVD but will it sell? IMO, no. I already have a DVD player and have just forked out for very large HD TV so I think I'll be sticking to HD format so I can get the most out of it.
The PS3 has just become nothing more than sony's last ditch attempt to remain in the game.
Sorry any PS fans out there but they've just lost their business sense...
It's funny to see all the rampant Sony fanboys that used to use the fact that the 360 only had limited backwards compatability as a reason why PS3 was gonna pwn, come back on here and drone on about how backwards compatability doesn't matter. I'm not that bottomd about BC... but when it was used as a reason why the machine was so dear then I'd expect a cost reduction to be pretty much a given.
The last thing - which English Crusader is one of the biggest culprits of, either because he's a spoiled little brat or just an ignorant w****r - is the fact that people who are moaning about the price are being told to "stop moaning just because you can't afford it". In most cases it seems (mine included) it's not that they can't afford it... it's that they don't feel it's worth the money and it's also the principle of not giving money to a company who treats their potential customers with such contempt. If you walked into a restaurant where everybody was charged one price (granted, a high one) but the guy at the door said "hard luck pal, it's going to cost you 20% more and you don't get dessert." You'd ask why... and when they laughed at you and told you it was "because you're an idiot and you'll just pay it and accept it" you'd tell them to f**k off. I can afford lots of things... big and small, PS3 included... I just choose not to hand my money over for a machine that's not worth it from a company that talks constant bulls**t, and who thinks Europe is stupid enough to pay for their mistakes by buying a machine that's had one of it's balls cut off.
i must admit its not the greatest of news...but it WILL eventually bring the price of the machine down as well as sort out heat and noise issues. until the list is revealed one can only speculate as to the titles left out. im sure all of the AAA titles will be covered,and the niche ones with enough want, will get firmware/software updates to sort the BC problem
Eventually? We are CURRENTLY being asked to pay 30% more than other territories for an inferior console! And how on earth will it reduce heat? Since the emotion engine only generates heat if used, having one inside the PS3 would not generate heat unless actually playing a PS2 game. However this would be more than offset by the minimal usage of the cell processor during BC games. However, using software emulation means that the PS3 CPUs will be working far harder trying to emulate a piece of hardware through software, therefore actually increasing both heat and power consumption. As far as reducing noise goes, I can't even understand how you've reached that conclusion... The emotion engine does not generate noise. I think this is simply yet another kick in the teeth for Euro gamers by Sony. Back in July of last year I was hoping to get a PS3 in November, then I thought I'd probably still get one in March since the Japanese price seemed approachable. By now, I have completely given up. I won't be getting a PS3 for some time to come. Sony's comedy routine of errors seems to have no end....
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Phil Harrison ...On Backwards Compatibility almost perfect backwards compatibility. There will be some exceptions, but we believe those will be even less than we saw from PSOne to PS2."Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3."
"If the developer wrote the game according to our technical requirements checklist, we will have what we believe will be almost perfect backwards compatibility. There will be some exceptions, there always are, but we believe those will be very few and far between. Even less so than we saw from PSOne to PS2."
...On Microsoft's Difficulties with Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility "I don't believe that was backwards compatibility."
"We've removed complete backwards compatibility to save some money that we could pass onto consumers but aren't going to. We decided that more investment should be spent on new games and less on backwards compatibility, obviously we should have decided this during the planning stage of the PS3 but that wouldn't make sense to a global corporation. We used the full backwards compatibility argument to try and put people off buying a X360 in 2005 and now that we are almost ready to do our final territory releases there is no need to pretend anymore! This is a positive thing for all you lucky consumers for reasons that I can't think of at the moment, I hope you enjoy your higher price /less functions European PS3 so that we can continue to pass your money on to the far more important Asian and American people who we actually give a damn about. Thank you for your time!
All I have to say again: Back in OCT 06 I bought a HD TV (my TV broke) and couldn't wait for PS3 to enjoy HD games and Films. I waited and then PS3 would launch later in EU. So I bought X360 (was't a fan) and loved it. Set on the side a budget for PS3 although reluctantly. Telling myself that FFXIII and some others "exclusives" would be worth it. At launch numbers of title I want to play = zero. I thought at least I would play PS2 FFXII, God of wars etc... which are still not or just release. Eventually I would buy one so why not now bonus BD.... I tell you what I'll do... I just won't bother, I have a PS2 it plays my fav games, ther are still some in the pipe line, end of story. As the FFXIII well I never played FFXI 'coze online price disagreement I buy a game I want to play it not enter a contract to play it, I will give FFXIII a miss then. Never mind.
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& they've done it to cut costs but still no price reduction? Like that REALLY makes any sense.
