Rockstar has issued a statement over the BBFC's decision to ban Manhunt 2 in the UK.
"We are disappointed with the recent decision by the British Board of Film Classification to refuse classification of Manhunt 2. While we respect the authority of the classification board and will abide by the rules, we emphatically disagree with this particular decision.
"Manhunt 2 is an entertainment experience for fans of psychological thrillers and horror. The subject matter of this game is in line with other mainstream entertainment choices for adult consumers.
"We respect those who have different opinions about the horror genre and video games as a whole, but we hope they will also consider the opinions of the adult gamers for whom this product is intended. We believe all products should be rated to allow the public to make informed choices about the media and art they wish to consume. The stories in modern video games are as diverse as the stories in books, film and television. The adult consumers who would play this game fully understand that it is fictional interactive entertainment and nothing more."
Damn straight ted, bloody BBFC, bunch of old men probably sitting around with a pipe in one hand, sherry in the other reading the news to decide what they should and shouldn't rate. films and other media do and always have shown this sort of explicit nature and worse. it's a shame that they still think video games are still a prime medium for children and no one else.
it'll get sorted in the end plus it's all publicity for rockstar. you never know they could add downloadable content where you enter and office block entitled BBFC and murder everyone in it
Yeah, the lorries carrying the Manhunt 2 copies, on their way to be destroyed, should mysteriously be looted; and the game land in the public domain...
wow guys, with your attitude to violence, no wonder why it was banned!
Rockstar always make good games, and these games take hard work to make-Imagine the anger they would have if they knew it was a write off from the start.
It's not as if Rockstar know that a most of their customer base are actually below the age to which the BBFC have rated their previous games.
The same BBFC that have rated and approved every single game you have EVER played that has had an official release in the UK.
This game has a p**s thin plot, whose main objective is to find create and violent ways to murder people doesn't get through?
You know, as far as appealing goes, I think this story could be taking a very different direction...
It's possible they'll be turning this to their advantage and I'm seeing a company who aren't as exciting and innovative as they used to be.
I think I'm going to be looking elsewhere for my horror thrills... it's not as if there isn't competition and looking at the release schedule over the Summer and Autumn, there are a couple of games offering nasty experiences and gruesome content being delivered with a lot more panache.
This game will be a badge of honour, now. A legend in the making.
I think people need to realise that video games have evolved and are as mainstream as TV, films and books. If Hostel is allowed to be shown in cinema's then surely than just get slapped with an 18 rated and put on shelves. Like others have said, I blame the iresponsible parents that go out and buy their children 18 rated games. Then that opens up the door for muppets to get too involved in a game and renact something in real life.
It's not as if Rockstar know that a most of their customer base are actually below the age to which the BBFC have rated their previous games.
The same BBFC that have rated and approved every single game you have EVER played that has had an official release in the UK.
This game has a p**s thin plot, whose main objective is to find create and violent ways to murder people doesn't get through?
You know, as far as appealing goes, I think this story could be taking a very different direction...
It's possible they'll be turning this to their advantage and I'm seeing a company who aren't as exciting and innovative as they used to be.
I think I'm going to be looking elsewhere for my horror thrills... it's not as if there isn't competition and looking at the release schedule over the Summer and Autumn, there are a couple of games offering nasty experiences and gruesome content being delivered with a lot more panache.
This game will be a badge of honour, now. A legend in the making.
All games have p**s thin plots. I havent played the new Manhunt so I cant comment on its plot or how well it handles horror but I enjoyed the first game and to be honest disapointed in this decision.
It's not as if Rockstar know that a most of their customer base are actually below the age to which the BBFC have rated their previous games.
The same BBFC that have rated and approved every single game you have EVER played that has had an official release in the UK.
This game has a p**s thin plot, whose main objective is to find create and violent ways to murder people doesn't get through?
You know, as far as appealing goes, I think this story could be taking a very different direction...
It's possible they'll be turning this to their advantage and I'm seeing a company who aren't as exciting and innovative as they used to be.
I think I'm going to be looking elsewhere for my horror thrills... it's not as if there isn't competition and looking at the release schedule over the Summer and Autumn, there are a couple of games offering nasty experiences and gruesome content being delivered with a lot more panache.
This game will be a badge of honour, now. A legend in the making.
I doubt Manhunt 2's plot can be described as "p*** thin". Rokcstar aren't in the habit of developing and producing games without compelling storylines, Max Payne and GTA are two testaments to this. I was sort of looking forward to seeing this, not just for the controversy but because the plot looked interesting, an insight into the life of the disturbed Daniel Lamb and the Pickman Project. I'm annoyed that games like Manhunt can be bashed but gross out and horror films like Saw and Final Destination get along fairly ok. People need to start realising that there is an adult market and this is what appeals to them. No doubt Rokcstar will want to over turn this and i get a feeling they will get it over turned but a delay until Christmas/this time next year with some of the more graphic content removed from it would be my prediciton.
It's not as if Rockstar know that a most of their customer base are actually below the age to which the BBFC have rated their previous games.
The same BBFC that have rated and approved every single game you have EVER played that has had an official release in the UK.
This game has a p**s thin plot, whose main objective is to find create and violent ways to murder people doesn't get through?
You know, as far as appealing goes, I think this story could be taking a very different direction...
It's possible they'll be turning this to their advantage and I'm seeing a company who aren't as exciting and innovative as they used to be.
I think I'm going to be looking elsewhere for my horror thrills... it's not as if there isn't competition and looking at the release schedule over the Summer and Autumn, there are a couple of games offering nasty experiences and gruesome content being delivered with a lot more panache.
This game will be a badge of honour, now. A legend in the making.
You know that post makes you sound like a complete idiot. You're stating the game has a p**s-poor plot without having even played the game. Have you even been to the site and read all the back story? Not what I'd call p**s-poor.
This silly decision plays into the hands of the tabloid media ; shock-horror stories tomorrow about the inherent evil of videogames, written by brainless idiots who call themselves journalists. Parents who buy their spoilt brats any game they scream for, despite its age rating, are also responsible. One has to wonder how independant the censor is and how logical are its actions. Heaven forbid that one day gamers are treated like adults! Maybe we should all be happy playing Pong or Joust!
i think it is wrong that the bbfc are not giving this game a rating,thus denying a release in the uk.as a 33 year old,i feel i am old enough to decide what is too violent for myself in a game.its not the content of the game that is the problem (doesnt the hitman games involve hunting and killing your target in the most imaginitive way?)but the fact that kids will get their hands on it,which is solely down to irresponsible parents buying 18 rated games for youngsters(and dvds and cds for that matter).why do they consider this ok?,would they buy their kids cigarettes?alcohol?drugs?.no wonder we have this ned culture among kids when some parents allow kids to view anything they like to 'keep them quiet'.i know people who regularly buy their kids 18 rated games because they ask for them,and dont bother checking if they are suitable.having said that,the bbfc should not have the right to censor anything but should only grant an appropriate rating and allow people to make an informed decision on whether to buy or not.perhaps a restriction on the availability of titles like this (as is the case with pornographic material)would be better suited.an outright ban is restricting civic liberties.this IS a democracy after all.
i think it is wrong that the bbfc are not giving this game a rating,thus denying a release in the uk.as a 33 year old,i feel i am old enough to decide what is too violent for myself in a game.its not the content of the game that is the problem (doesnt the hitman games involve hunting and killing your target in the most imaginitive way?)but the fact that kids will get their hands on it,which is solely down to irresponsible parents buying 18 rated games for youngsters(and dvds and cds for that matter).why do they consider this ok?,would they buy their kids cigarettes?alcohol?drugs?.no wonder we have this ned culture among kids when some parents allow kids to view anything they like to 'keep them quiet'.i know people who regularly buy their kids 18 rated games because they ask for them,and dont bother checking if they are suitable.having said that,the bbfc should not have the right to censor anything but should only grant an appropriate rating and allow people to make an informed decision on whether to buy or not.perhaps a restriction on the availability of titles like this (as is the case with pornographic material)would be better suited.an outright ban is restricting civic liberties.this IS a democracy after all.
Ad infinitum to the post - excellent. Censorship is bulls**t.
Well I think I'd ban it too. Manhunt is pushing a bit too far. They say the intended audience will understand what this game is and what it stands for. But, In the end you have to understand their are a lot of families in the UK that ignore the ratings because they aren't law abiding or well mannered. So really this game could very easily end up in the hands of children and impressionable teenagers already in bad family surroundings.
This isn't like a film it's an interactive world. Who knows how much video games influence kids. Lets not gamble.
So really this game could very easily end up in the hands of children and impressionable teenagers already in bad family surroundings.
The same could be said of Grand Theft Auto and many many other games..Should they ban them as well?
And is it an adult gamer's fault if parents are unaware of the consequences of their actions?
Obviously, most people still think of a videogame as a happy adventure consisting of dot-eating, mushroom jumping and princess-saving action (and honestly, the Wii isn't helping with that) The bright side to this story is that this view of videogaming will be challenged and eventually changed.
Now, that said, I haven't bought a single new game since ...since...Damn! I can't even reca...Ah yeah, Snake Eater!
No I don't think they should also be banned. I think you could only list GTA because there really isn't many other non-sci-fi games that promote violence. GTA isn't quite so violent as Manhunt. If you know you games you'll know Manhunt is pretty horrific in the violence department.
We should all take a more responsible approach and understand that the "target" audience is irrelevant. You have to think of where COULD this game possibly end up. Normal people will of course understand it's a game. But children in bad environments growing up where their parents are violent, rude and anti-law . Games like this where the setting is fairly realistic and the gameplay is murdering people in horrific ways, just don't help. The BBFC are just trying to set a limit. A bar to show developers the edge. Do not step over this edge. Just like society has manners. You have to know when something is too much.
No I don't think they should also be banned. I think you could only list GTA because there really isn't many other non-sci-fi games that promote violence. GTA isn't quite so violent as Manhunt. If you know you games you'll know Manhunt is pretty horrific in the violence department..
No, I just listed GTA because it's the most relevant example, I remember getting more points by killing as many innocent civilians as possible in DIE HARD TRILOGY..And what about Saint's Row and other GTA clones, where your shotgun can be your main form of expression?
We should all take a more responsible approach and understand that the "target" audience is irrelevant. You have to think of where COULD this game possibly end up. Normal people will of course understand it's a game. But children in bad environments growing up where their parents are violent, rude and anti-law
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No. The "taget audience" isn't irrelevant. Movie theatres aren't allowed to sell tickets to minors if the movie is rated M or its equivalent, and the same thing should be applied to viideogames. Grown up gamers have the right to choose what game they should buy in order to relax after a hard day's work or just have a laugh. That, plus your logic is flawed; why should adult gamers suffer the consequences of bad parenting?
Just like society has manners. You have to know when something is too much.
Yes, I understand. But manners and freedom of expression are two different things. Society can condemn something like it does the BNP, but the BNP, however detestable it is, should not and is not be banned. Society can condemn certain things, but that doesn't mean that it has the right to ban them, not in a free state anyway, and not when it's in regards to a entertainment/expression medium.
Also, I didn't like your "if you know your games" bit. Let's all act like grown-ups here...PLEASE?
Please put your dummy back in. Your view on this is a very selfish one. You don't seem to have any concern for the possible impact this game will have on society. You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive. Then you say the same way people are admitted into cinemas "should" be applied to video games. Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening. Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere. The only point at which game ratings are used is at point of sale. Then the game is free to float around the world. That's why I said this games target audience is irrelevant. Because if any game is really excessively horrific and gruesome then it's not fit to be released into the wild full stop - so to speak. For example lets just say a game was released based on how to be a terrorist, which included scenes on how to make bombs and kill civilians, then it came with an 18 rating. If that game went into the wild. It could turn up anywhere and influence anyone!! Even though it was legally sold to over 18 customers. You have to draw a line and and be responsible when releasing anything in quantities into society.
On a medium like video games, which is so involving, so interactive with a possible audience of billions. Limits on expression are being applied, and rightfully so. Ranting "It's a free world" and stamping you feet saying "adult gamers have the right" is pretty arrogant and irresponsible in relation to this subject.
It's quite clear all you care about is getting this game.
Please put your dummy back in. Your view on this is a very selfish one. You don't seem to have any concern for the possible impact this game will have on society. You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive. Then you say the same way people are admitted into cinemas "should" be applied to video games. Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening. Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere. The only point at which game ratings are used is at point of sale. Then the game is free to float around the world. That's why I said this games target audience is irrelevant. Because if any game is really excessively horrific and gruesome then it's not fit to be released into the wild full stop - so to speak. For example lets just say a game was released based on how to be a terrorist, which included scenes on how to make bombs and kill civilians, then it came with an 18 rating. If that game went into the wild. It could turn up anywhere and influence anyone!! Even though it was legally sold to over 18 customers. You have to draw a line and and be responsible when releasing anything in quantities into society.
On a medium like video games, which is so involving, so interactive with a possible audience of billions. Limits on expression are being applied, and rightfully so. Ranting "It's a free world" and stamping you feet saying "adult gamers have the right" is pretty arrogant and irresponsible in relation to this subject.
It's quite clear all you care about is getting this game.
You're wrong AGAIN. I have no interest in this game. Just like I lost interest in debating with you, for your logic fails on many levels (jumping to the conclusion that games can be more dangerous than movies without any scientific data to back it up, forgetting that while you can get games from various places, a minor can also get to watch an ultra violent movie by renting a DVD or downloading a (porn, violent) movie, drawing a parralel between entertainment and terrorist propaganda...)
I genuinely think that the difference between you and me is that you're being short-sighted, and don't take into account what the medium could be like in 15 or 20 years' time. The videogame medium is still relatively young when you compare it to cinema and litterature, and 20 years from now, it could have expanded and become a proper form of expression, and banning games based on YOUR logic (not the BBFC's, which I relatively trust since it's only the second game it bans in a decade I think)puts serious limits to this expansion. I'm not sure that if violence in games had been banned ten years ago based on the sole argument that kids could experience it , I'm not sure we would have obtained the level of sophistication, maturity and quality of the storytelling we can get in Killer7 for instance. So let's not prevent game developers who have a proper artistic vision from producing other Killer7s.
Enforce existing laws, ban a game if necessary but not on the sole likelihood of it getting ILLEGALLY sold to a minor.
Wow. I wasn't about to get it before because it was too gory and violent, but now I'm curious what the fuss is about. Judging by the screenshots, it looks a bit like splinter cell.
Rockstar, you just earned the right to my 30 or 40 dollars.
I'm really disapointed by this as I have the original Manhunt game and can't play it on my PS3 yet as it's not compatable and I'll have to hang on to my PS2 still. The gane really lets you blow off steam if you've had a bad day.Also what a teneuos link between the guy tht was murdered and they blamed the Manhunt game for(I live in Leicester where this happend by the way) the guy was mental, I mean what about all the stabings in London recently what was balmed for that? Also it is parent's responsabilty to their children not to give access to adult content. In Leicester when GTA San Andreas was released I saw a kid aged about eight and his parents quing up (at midnight on a schoolday) to buy the game, and he was happy as anything when he came out (he was before me in the que) and they were asian who I deem better parents in this respect. WTF? I mean in the Scarface game (on PS2 as well) you just blow people away to try to build back up your DRUG empire as he built it up in the film, let's ban these games then !!!. Both these games are only on PS2 FFS!!! not even PS3 with much more reallistic graphics. I am 36 and been playing video games since Spectrum days and I love playing what I choose to.
Well I think I'd ban it too. Manhunt is pushing a bit too far. They say the intended audience will understand what this game is and what it stands for. But, In the end you have to understand their are a lot of families in the UK that ignore the ratings because they aren't law abiding or well mannered. So really this game could very easily end up in the hands of children and impressionable teenagers already in bad family surroundings.
This isn't like a film it's an interactive world. Who knows how much video games influence kids. Lets not gamble.
I think you will find the age ratings to be wholly law abiding, because their the same ones used for films, it was only when games had elspa rating guidelines that wern't enforcble in the terms of the law.
To the muppet who said BBFC has determined what age every game ive ever played has to be, is talking rubbish, games didnt have any age limits for at least 15 of the years ive been playing them, it was only with the megadrive and snes and street fighter and mortal kombat that age limits were talked about in games and then it was by choice of the publisher, it only became law at the end of the PS1 era for games to rated alongside films.
printing no names but...my local independent game shop have informed me that they should be able to obtain a 'grey' import or two,i'm not sure if i'll try it but at least i'll have the option.so there you go:check your local indie.
When I first read that Manhunt 2 had been banned I was close to tears as I have been looking forward to Manhunt 2 since I controlled Cash for the first time in the original.
At the moment video games are the easy target of popular culture, and of course if some nutter kills a bunch of people its games that take the blame. I some times wonder whether journalists, police and the likes of the BBFC get it through there thick skulls that a game didn't kill people, it's the warped individual crazy enough to carry it out.
We supposedly live in a free society, but at the rate were going all types of entertainment like films and games that you and I relax to after the hardships of real life will be banned.
And its not as if the game was going to be a 7+, of course this game shouldn't be sold to under 18's but it stops sane people playing it just because we want to and not to pysche our selves up to stab someone
Shame on you Britain, Shame...
P.S A good artical in this month's edition of Games TM expresses the pointless blame games get for sickos crimes.
You're wrong AGAIN. I have no interest in this game. Just like I lost interest in debating with you, for your logic fails on many levels (jumping to the conclusion that games can be more dangerous than movies without any scientific data to back it up, forgetting that while you can get games from various places, a minor can also get to watch an ultra violent movie by renting a DVD or downloading a (porn, violent) movie, drawing a parralel between entertainment and terrorist propaganda...)
I genuinely think that the difference between you and me is that you're being short-sighted, and don't take into account what the medium could be like in 15 or 20 years' time. The videogame medium is still relatively young when you compare it to cinema and litterature, and 20 years from now, it could have expanded and become a proper form of expression, and banning games based on YOUR logic (not the BBFC's, which I relatively trust since it's only the second game it bans in a decade I think)puts serious limits to this expansion. I'm not sure that if violence in games had been banned ten years ago based on the sole argument that kids could experience it , I'm not sure we would have obtained the level of sophistication, maturity and quality of the storytelling we can get in Killer7 for instance. So let's not prevent game developers who have a proper artistic vision from producing other Killer7s.
Enforce existing laws, ban a game if necessary but not on the sole likelihood of it getting ILLEGALLY sold to a minor.
Wow you really don't understand what I'm saying. What is all this logic-LOGIC-logic crap? I'm just stating fact. You have a hissy-fit like a big fat toddler when I try to explain that if a game is totally gruesome it shouldn't be allowed to be released into society-for the good of society. If you think a game will only be played by people who are legally allowed to buy it, then your a moron. Games can and DO get into the hands of anyone.
So the BBFC say that we the public need protecting from this kind of content. A system that would only allow adults to buy this game is not enough to preserve our societies delicate sensibilities.
Why then can you get all the horror you need from this game on the BBC news website, pictures and video's included. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6225286.stm
Wow you really don't understand what I'm saying. What is all this logic-LOGIC-logic crap? I'm just stating fact. You have a hissy-fit like a big fat toddler when I try to explain that if a game is totally gruesome it shouldn't be allowed to be released into society-for the good of society. If you think a game will only be played by people who are legally allowed to buy it, then your a moron. Games can and DO get into the hands of anyone.
You say you are stating fact but that's simply not true, it is merely conjecture. You counter dahsif's point of double standards between criteria for banning movies vs games by saying
You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive. Then you say the same way people are admitted into cinemas "should" be applied to video games. Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening. Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere
This is a ridiculous argument. 3 basic flaws:
1.
You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive.
This is the "logic-LOGIC-logic crap" you are refering to. This statement doesn't mean a thing. As dahsif pointed out, you are making judgements based on no scientific evidence to support what you say. In actual fact a report issued in April of this year suggested that watching violence on TV could be more upsetting than playing violent video games. And who do you think issued this report? The BBFC!! see link : http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13564
That is fact.
2.
Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening.
As dahsif pointed out, the fact that gaming is a more recent medium that films does not make it more unnacceptable. Your reasoning is like saying that, whilst we shouldn't discriminate against homosexuals, slavery is OK because it has a history.
3.
Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere. The only point at which game ratings are used is at point of sale. Then the game is free to float around the world. That's why I said this games target audience is irrelevant.
Absolute nonsense. Are you saying that Age Rated movies are more difficult for a child to find than games? Forget cinemas, movies account for a huge proportion of internet downloaded content (I assume what you mean by "obtained in so many ways". Far more so than games. In 1993 when James Bulger was murdured by a couple of kids, the media pounced on the fact that one of the accused's father had a "Chucky" video. Of course, after the hoo-ha died down, people realised that the kids in questions were just a*seholes and the video in question was no more likely to cause an innocent kid to murder than watching an episode of Tellytubbies is likely to cause a violent psychopath to take a flower arranging course.
And this is the point. The fact that morally corrupt people may take pleasure in playing Manhunt 2 is not the same argument as saying that playing Manhunt 2 will make you morally corrupt. People have their own values and have to take responsibility for their own actions. By your logic society should also:
1. Ban cars, for they could fall into the hands of non-licensed drink drivers.
2. Ban Alcohol because it may fall into the hands of children.
3. As point 2 but replace "alcohol" with: Cigarettes Pornogaraphy Kitchen knives Coffee Your Avatar etc etc etc
I apologise if I sound harsh, I don't know you and I'm sure you're a decent person. Likewise I apologise if I have offended anyone else but I am a huge supporter of free expression and I cannot stand by whilst people back the erosion of said free expression and civil liberties in general.
I rest my case, I rest my foot on the case and I rest my case on the futon.
You've been a great audience, my name's Toobler. thank you, good night.
Wow you really don't understand what I'm saying. What is all this logic-LOGIC-logic crap? I'm just stating fact. You have a hissy-fit like a big fat toddler when I try to explain that if a game is totally gruesome it shouldn't be allowed to be released into society-for the good of society. If you think a game will only be played by people who are legally allowed to buy it, then your a moron. Games can and DO get into the hands of anyone.
You say you are stating fact but that's simply not true, it is merely conjecture. You counter dahsif's point of double standards between criteria for banning movies vs games by saying
You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive. Then you say the same way people are admitted into cinemas "should" be applied to video games. Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening. Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere
This is a ridiculous argument. 3 basic flaws:
1.
You argue this is a medium like film. It isn't. It's much more interactive.
This is the "logic-LOGIC-logic crap" you are refering to. This statement doesn't mean a thing. As dahsif pointed out, you are making judgements based on no scientific evidence to support what you say. In actual fact a report issued in April of this year suggested that watching violence on TV could be more upsetting than playing violent video games. And who do you think issued this report? The BBFC!! see link : http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13564
That is fact.
2.
Sorry you seem to be confusing yourself between what "should" be and what's already happening.
As dahsif pointed out, the fact that gaming is a more recent medium that films does not make it more unnacceptable. Your reasoning is like saying that, whilst we shouldn't discriminate against homosexuals, slavery is OK because it has a history.
3.
Video games can already be obtained in so many ways , and played by anyone literally anywhere. The only point at which game ratings are used is at point of sale. Then the game is free to float around the world. That's why I said this games target audience is irrelevant.
Absolute nonsense. Are you saying that Age Rated movies are more difficult for a child to find than games? Forget cinemas, movies account for a huge proportion of internet downloaded content (I assume what you mean by "obtained in so many ways". Far more so than games. In 1993 when James Bulger was murdured by a couple of kids, the media pounced on the fact that one of the accused's father had a "Chucky" video. Of course, after the hoo-ha died down, people realised that the kids in questions were just a*seholes and the video in question was no more likely to cause an innocent kid to murder than watching an episode of Tellytubbies is likely to cause a violent psychopath to take a flower arranging course.
And this is the point. The fact that morally corrupt people may take pleasure in playing Manhunt 2 is not the same argument as saying that playing Manhunt 2 will make you morally corrupt. People have their own values and have to take responsibility for their own actions. By your logic society should also:
1. Ban cars, for they could fall into the hands of non-licensed drink drivers.
2. Ban Alcohol because it may fall into the hands of children.
3. As point 2 but replace "alcohol" with: Cigarettes Pornogaraphy Kitchen knives Coffee Your Avatar etc etc etc
I apologise if I sound harsh, I don't know you and I'm sure you're a decent person. Likewise I apologise if I have offended anyone else but I am a huge supporter of free expression and I cannot stand by whilst people back the erosion of said free expression and civil liberties in general.
I rest my case, I rest my foot on the case and I rest my case on the futon.
You've been a great audience, my name's Toobler. thank you, good night.
Toobler, i am totally with you. i may not have gone into such depth but i would have expressed the exact same feelings. I have been really looking forward to this game and recently bought a PS2 so that i would be able to play it, HA.
I thoroughly enjoy brutal horror games.
I am 27 years old.
I am a very mellow person and i in no way act violently towards anybody or anything!
so then, why am i now not allowed to play this game?
I cant express enough how much this scenario feels like we are being controlled .
"we will allow you to view this.... but not this" who gives these people the right to tell me what i can and cant spend my time playing/viewing. I only saw this news today and via text i cant portray my sheer frustration over the matter.
from R*s point of view: the BBFC knew exactly what R* were up to and they could have mentioned to them long ago.
"Look guys, to be honest with you. theres not a hope in hell we're going to let you release this"
not so hard is it, millions of pounds development saved.
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