The PS3's ability to track the position of an object in 3D space using the new Eye Toy offers up more potential for motion-sensing gaming than the Wii Remote, Sony told CVG yesterday.
Eye Toy card battle game, Eye of Judgement, boasts some pretty impressive optical recognition technology that not only identifies a card (from a selection of hundreds) and summons the right monster, but it can track the movement of that card - including its distance from the camera and tilt orientation - and keep that monster positioned correctly on it.
Game director Kazuhito Miyaki told CVG: "All of the different Eye Toy games that we've made so far and the wide range [of gameplay] that we have delivered shows that the camera isn't the key device, it's what we do with it that's important."
When asked how this compared to the motion tracking opportunities offered by the Wii Remote, he went on the say: "In Eye of Judgement it's all about summoning the creatures. With other games it'll be about creating a whole different dynamic so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology."
BlahBlahBlah. YesYesYes all well and goot but, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS! + he's not actually saying waht this potential is exactly. Do we Have to think of them for him?
First of all, real gamers don't want the casual crap Nintendo is producing at the moment and what Sony's talking about. We want proper games that make use of this technology. Until then all I see Eye Toy and Wii Remote as are gimmicks to draw in the casual gamers.
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
Anyone who uses the phrase "real" about computer games is quite clearly a tool, possibly even moreso than the self-deluding t**ts who use it about music.
Eyetoy could be a damn good device, like the Wii-remote, if good games are made for it. Lets hope Sony do more than they did for the PS2 version.
"so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology.""
Well you could say that...
You'd be lying out of your bottom but yeah you could say that
Dammit i was gonna say that but instead i'll 2nd it.
What will sony's console be able to do next that other consoles can already do mmmmmm ooooh i know it could get its own version of the red rings of death.
The main difference is more game developers will be making games for the wii control specifically than the PS3 camera which you must buy separately from the console.
I bet it's a million times harder to program for, though, so getting a game that would take full advantage of the Eye Toy would potentially cost loads more than your average game, which may mean it's not really feasible to produce the 'superior' games for PS3.
"so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology.""
Well you could say that...
You'd be lying out of your bottom but yeah you could say that
How would they be lying? What will the new EyeToy not be able to do that the Wiimote can?
Even as a Wii owner myself, I can see the EyeToy has the ability to do everything and more than the Wiimote.
Then you're a deluded fool.
I'm not disagreeing that EyeToy will be able to do things the Wiimote can't, that's obvious: it's a camera, which the Wiimote isn't. But how can a 2d camera properly track 3d motion? Yes, it could feasably track the distance and rotation of a 'card', but it would be pretty difficult to get it to register tilt towards and away from the screen consistently... and these magic cards presumably won't have buttons on them and are probably fairly awkward to hold comfortably for long periods of time...
"so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology.""
Well you could say that...
You'd be lying out of your bottom but yeah you could say that
How would they be lying? What will the new EyeToy not be able to do that the Wiimote can?
Even as a Wii owner myself, I can see the EyeToy has the ability to do everything and more than the Wiimote.
Then you're a deluded fool.
I'm not disagreeing that EyeToy will be able to do things the Wiimote can't, that's obvious: it's a camera, which the Wiimote isn't. But how can a 2d camera properly track 3d motion? Yes, it could feasably track the distance and rotation of a 'card', but it would be pretty difficult to get it to register tilt towards and away from the screen consistently... and these magic cards presumably won't have buttons on them and are probably fairly awkward to hold comfortably for long periods of time...
Think this guy got a little carried away...
There's gonna be an Eye Toy Elite, which comes packed with 360 cameras to be placed in a circle around yourself. It can completely detect 3D motion!
Ermm, just to be clear, you can compare two different things VIKINGMETAL.
I think the eye toy is too limited. I've used both and I dunno, the remote just seems so much more fun and physical. The games for the eye toy were crapola.
I can't tell if one has more potential, but I can say the WiiMote hasn't done a lot that the EyeToy hasn't done. EyeToy: AntiGrav showed how you do a good skating game and the different Play games showed the potential of Wii Sports. And of course, EyeToy Kinetic = Wii Fit.
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
um... you seem to have forgotten that sony started the whole innovative minigame scene in 2004 (or maybe 2003) with the eye-toy...
in fact there are pretty high chances that nintendo built the wii's manner of gameplay after they saw the success that the eyetoy had with casual gamers.
"so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology.""
Well you could say that...
You'd be lying out of your bottom but yeah you could say that
How would they be lying? What will the new EyeToy not be able to do that the Wiimote can?
Even as a Wii owner myself, I can see the EyeToy has the ability to do everything and more than the Wiimote.
Then you're a deluded fool.
I'm not disagreeing that EyeToy will be able to do things the Wiimote can't, that's obvious: it's a camera, which the Wiimote isn't. But how can a 2d camera properly track 3d motion? Yes, it could feasably track the distance and rotation of a 'card', but it would be pretty difficult to get it to register tilt towards and away from the screen consistently... and these magic cards presumably won't have buttons on them and are probably fairly awkward to hold comfortably for long periods of time...
Think this guy got a little carried away...
i'm afraid you're the deluded fool, on a number of levels.
firstly, i guess you simply don't know how far technology has progressed. it is a very simple task for 2D cameras to track 3D motion nowadays... especially at a company like sony, where some of it's companies are based solely on creating cameras and programs for them.
secondly, regarding the game, you don't hold the cards... you place them on a board. you only hold the cards when you want to move them or if you want to place a new card on the deck. this way your hands won't ever hurt you
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
um, Eyetoy is an OPTION for PS3. Wiimote is a NECESSITY for Wii. makes a world of difference.
anyway, i hate it when companies make statements like these. it just provides fodder for the fanboys. if Sony thinks the Eyetoy is in any way better than the Wiimote, then they need to prove that with action, not words.
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
um... you seem to have forgotten that sony started the whole innovative minigame scene in 2004 (or maybe 2003) with the eye-toy...
in fact there are pretty high chances that nintendo built the wii's manner of gameplay after they saw the success that the eyetoy had with casual gamers.
wow yeah really high considering miyamoto came up with the idea before the gamecube was even released and moreso because of the ds you fool. go have fun with a camera...
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
um... you seem to have forgotten that sony started the whole innovative minigame scene in 2004 (or maybe 2003) with the eye-toy...
in fact there are pretty high chances that nintendo built the wii's manner of gameplay after they saw the success that the eyetoy had with casual gamers.
wow yeah really high considering miyamoto came up with the idea before the gamecube was even released and moreso because of the ds you fool. go have fun with a camera...
i'm afraid you're the deluded fool, on a number of levels.
firstly, i guess you simply don't know how far technology has progressed. it is a very simple task for 2D cameras to track 3D motion nowadays... especially at a company like sony, where some of it's companies are based solely on creating cameras and programs for them.
secondly, regarding the game, you don't hold the cards... you place them on a board. you only hold the cards when you want to move them or if you want to place a new card on the deck. this way your hands won't ever hurt you
And you know this for sure how? You have technical knowledge to back this up?
For the record I'm currently doing an MA which involves working with various forms of interactive technology, including cameras and video analysis. Again I'm not going to disagree entirely with what you say: some amazing things can be achieved with 2d cameras these days and it's great to be able to work with some of this cutting edge technology... but to suggest that tracking 3d motion with a 2d camera is a "very simple task"? You're dreaming. It is hugely complex and to suggest otherwise is to belittle the work of some incredibly clever people.
On the other hand getting 3d data from the Wiimote is much more straightforward, and if nothing else will substantially reduce the amount of coding, and for that matter processor overhead, required to analyse it.
It's also worth pointing out that I was responding to the following, not just some tedious sounding card game:
...there is much more potential and ability in our technology.
Edit: For anyone interested in what is possible see here... Very impressive indeed, but I don't see how this could be used to duplicate Wiimote functionality, unless they think we're going to control games by moving our heads!
Yay! Fanboy hissy fit from well chosen CVG quote extract! Us gamers are so easily peeved
"in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology."
Sure, Trevor. Unfortunately for you there's much more potential and ability in Nintendo than Sony.
And as has already been said, a peripheral device is just that, peripheral.
On the other hand, I always liked the Eye Toy principle, so I'm glad to see them continue it.
Um. So, yeah. CVG; stop stirring (but not really as it's hugely entertaining), Sony; stop whinging, PS3/Nintendo fanboys; stop flaming each other and FIGHT!
I'm not disagreeing that EyeToy will be able to do things the Wiimote can't, that's obvious: it's a camera, which the Wiimote isn't. But how can a 2d camera properly track 3d motion? Yes, it could feasably track the distance and rotation of a 'card', but it would be pretty difficult to get it to register tilt towards and away from the screen consistently... and these magic cards presumably won't have buttons on them and are probably fairly awkward to hold comfortably for long periods of time...
Think this guy got a little carried away...
So that translates into "I haven't read anything about the new PS Eye"?
Along with that, what do the cards even have to do with the subject? They're their own game. In fact, you don't even need the Eyetoy to play the card game - using it just animates the cards & does the calculations for you. Along with that it allows for online play by recording which cards are in your deck, so the PS Eye knows if you cheat. But the camera is still nothing but a perk when it comes to the card game.
I may have worded it wrong when I said everything the Wiimote can do, but from what Sony have shown (yes "shown", not "said" it can certainly do a lot more.
Sony fans enjoyed bashing Wii owners for having to wave their arms around like loons, so what excuse will they come up with when they start doing it on PS3?
We can never have too many mini-games. Thanks Sony.
um, Eyetoy is an OPTION for PS3. Wiimote is a NECESSITY for Wii. makes a world of difference.
What, like blu ray and SIXAXIS? So it may be an optional device but that won't stop Sony forcing it on PS3 owners. They're hypeing it up already by claiming it's more betterer than Wii.
I believe SIXAXIS requires the user to wave their pad around like Colin Fry. RR7 lets you choose your preferred control method. Lair only uses the analogue stick to control your dragon when grounded you have to use SIXAXIS for flight. Not every game on Wii uses the wiimote fully. Metal Slug and VC games don't.
With eyetoy whatever games take advantage of its motion detecting eye will need to have you dance about in front of your TV to play them. Something even chavs might find too embrassing.
Meh. I could have saved myself some time and just called you a c**k.
Normally I’d say that the Eye Toy does have some untapped potential with games like Eye of Judgement and augmented reality in general, but it’s obviously more Sony PR BS to slam competitors yet mimicking the same ideas behind their backs, regardless if they’re improving on it or not, especially when the general consensus is that they are just playing “me too” approach. I just can’t condone smear campaigns with such underhandedness. And honestly, I can’t say the current crop of web cam games interest me at all. Never have. The Wiimote at least gives me something to grip and swing with. Web cam games seem to devolve into me playing as Mr. Game & Watch.
Still, to be fair, the Eye Toy can do things that the Wiimote can't and vice versa, that doesn't mean that the former has more potential necessarily. Frankly, I think a combination of the two would have a bigger impact. Both will need some major improvements though, especially with real time positioning of the gamer. Augmented reality will be great as far a visuals go, not sure how much merit it can have outside of playing virtual GI Joe in your living room via television/goggles though with virtual explosions and RTS fire fights, but it'll be an amazing next step. The Wiimote needs better tracking and super speed reaction to swings and such.
And incidentally, gimmicky and party games are more the result of the developers, not necessarily the limts of the hardware. Both the Wiimote and Eye Toy can have games that are much deeper (though you might want bigger floor spaces with these two for certain games). Only the limited of mind and the fanboys who'd like nothing more than to diss the rival systems fail to grasp potential uses for either system. People who got excited for the Wiimote when first introduced came up with a lot of uses within minutes much like I'm sure those who saw the recent development and advances in augmented reality could think up of many interesting uses for the Eye Toy. We'll be limited with current processing power for the time being though, so it'll be a while before we see the perfection of either system.
My little list of possibilities for this eye toy: 1.Light guns for LCD screens. 2.Fishing rods for fishing games/bits in games were you fish,nets,and even changeable real world hooks(i personally hate fishing games). 3.Object identification (linking files like videos to a real world object to make finding them easier. 4. bit gimmicky but animations for all the little objects in your room. 5. Animated war hammer games ...if you like that kinda thing. 6. The really really cool glove thing y from Minority report. 7. Visual recognition of other sony products (if they do this their geniuses if not there morons)
And that is just with my limited imagination. Ofcourse thats just what Id do, if they just leave it at card games they don't deserve to be in the next gen race.
"so, in a way, you could say there is much more potential and ability in our technology.""
Well you could say that...
You'd be lying out of your bottom but yeah you could say that
How would they be lying? What will the new EyeToy not be able to do that the Wiimote can?
Even as a Wii owner myself, I can see the EyeToy has the ability to do everything and more than the Wiimote.
Well, no... The Wii remote has the advantage of having several standard controller features combined with its newer abilities. Hence it offers a far broader range. You couldn't control Resi 4 with the Eyetoy.
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