Guerrilla managing director Herman Hulst and Killzone 2 producer Steven Ter Heide have had a good old fashioned pop at rival machines' capabilities in an interview with Official PlayStation Magazine UK.
Speaking about working on a game for a single platform instead of going down that multi-platform route, Guerrilla managing director Merman Hulst, said, "It's a huge benefit. If you're developing a game on multiple platforms there are restrictions you always have to take into consideration.
"We are taking huge advantage of the architecture of PS3. I firmly believe that what we've shown we can get out of that machine would be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver on a competing machine." If that isn't intended as a a knockout blow to the chops of 360 we don't know what is.
Killzone 2 producer Steven Ter Heide added, "I would say impossible. We literally can't do this stuff on any machine other than the PS3. If you're developing a multiplatform game, and looking at your budgets, you have to find a common denominator between the systems and say: that's what I'm developing for. Whereas someone focused on a single platform can really take advantage of everything it has to offer.
"If you're not willing to make that investment then you're going to lose out on some options. To make it simple, the Xbox 360 doesn't have SixAxis or Blu-ray. PlayStation 3 does. And for us that's a really big thing. The level you've just seen is 2GB. We really need Blu-ray to make the game. I don't know how you could fit it on Xbox 360 without taking some shortcuts."
Hulst continued, "Blu-ray isn't important for watching movies; we need it for making games." You can check out the full interview in the latest issues of Official PlayStation Magazine UK, on sale now.
"We are taking huge advantage of the architecture of PS3. I firmly believe that what we've shown we can get out of that machine would be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver on a competing machine."
We'll when sony are paying your rent u do what u gotta do...
Come on I've not seen anything on Killzone that the 360 hasn't already achieved or couldn't do, if its a simple matter of disc space then that's just a lousy cheap low blow. you can compress or use multi discs...
Are you listening,pc software developers,you are doing it all wrong,you simply can't make a decent product,using dvd media and the hard disk,it's official !
Are you listening,pc software developers,you are doing it all wrong,you simply can't make a decent product,using dvd media and the hard disk,it's official !
Take note crytek,epic,2K .
I'm not trying to cause offence by what I am about to say.
Can you stop posting in red, large font, capital lettered print. Its annoying, if you have anything interesting to say it will be read anyway.
Once again, Sony desperate to salvage Bluray, especially in light of recent news that Paramount have just become exclusive to HD-DVD.
*looks at watch* 360 fanboys should be here any minute now
Must be harsh times to be a PS3 owner. Everyone hates Sony at the moment, not just 360 owners. Their constant babbling about how 'this is only possible on PS3 thanks to Blu-Ray' just p**ses everyone off. Fact is there has not been one game on PS3 that has made everyone stand up and agree with Sony's comments. Simply put, Sony are just trying to brainwash people and create a selling point for PS3. They cant use the 'True HD' line anymore because 360 can do 1080p now so they have moved onto touting Blu-Ray. To be honest, I don't think Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is needed for games this gen but thats just my view.
Lets all be honest here, bluray has huge potential (for games developers). It holds a HUGE amount of space, which can only be seen as a good thing, even to 360 fan boys. But, at the moment, we just dont really see any games taking advantage of all the space. Im still not convinced by the PS3, but Killzone is looking great (although so did the first Killzone, and that was just a let down). I personaly think its looking as pretty as gears. All they need to do, is keep the gameplay exciting and make use of that bluray space by making it huge. As much as I love Gears, its insanely short (And, the pc conversion is to have more chapters Should have had those in the first place. Damned release dates. Id gladly have waited).
i second that, and also what (guy above) said: definitely is a better thing to have more storage capacity but at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do - period.
i second that, and also what (guy above) said: definitely is a better thing to have more storage capacity but at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do - period.
er...the eyetoy games...play ps3 games on psp...surf the internet...enable a keyboard and mouse...set up a printer...use a media server... methinks its already doing a lot of the stuff the 360 cant do at the moment - period
Who cares how much space Killzone takes up on a disc? It means nothing if the game isn't good. Will Killzone be better than Gears of War? Bioshock? I'll buy a hat just to eat it if it is. Face it, it ain't gonna happen. All this says to me is that this dev can't be bothered to compress data. Stop starting flame wars you Sony PR whore and put your efforts into making the damn game, the PS3 needs all the help it can get.
Oh, and if anyone wants to call me a 360 fanboy I own a PS3 too. The 360 is just better.
i second that, and also what (guy above) said: definitely is a better thing to have more storage capacity but at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do - period.
er...the eyetoy games...play ps3 games on psp...surf the internet...enable a keyboard and mouse...set up a printer...use a media server... methinks its already doing a lot of the stuff the 360 cant do at the moment - period
sorry forgot how pedantic people can be on here
at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do GRAPHICALLY - period.
oh and surf the net, setup a printer, enable a keyboard and mouse (all things i can do on my phone by the way).....really digging deep there, oh and 360 can can be used as a media server.
EDIT: Sorry just couldn't resist but can i just ask...did you by your PS3 to do any of the things above or did you buy it to play games on, because at the moment, in that department the PS3 is severely lacking in comparison to 360 (and that my friends, is a straight up and down, don't even bother, got 40 ni**ers up in here now who'll kill ni**ers for me - FACT
EDIT2: thought ni&&ers would have starred itself out and it was meant as a joke..and AND its a lyric from a song....so don't track me down and set fire to my house...with me in it. <disclaimer end>
i second that, and also what (guy above) said: definitely is a better thing to have more storage capacity but at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do - period.
er...the eyetoy games...play ps3 games on psp...surf the internet...enable a keyboard and mouse...set up a printer...use a media server... methinks its already doing a lot of the stuff the 360 cant do at the moment - period
sorry forgot how pedantic people can be on here
at the moment PS3 is not doing anything that the 360 cannot do GRAPHICALLY - period.
oh and surf the net, setup a printer, enable a keyboard and mouse (all things i can do on my phone by the way).....really digging deep there, oh and 360 can can be used as a media server.
EDIT: Sorry just couldn't resist but can i just ask...did you by your PS3 to do any of the things above or did you buy it to play games on, because at the moment, in that department the PS3 is severely lacking in comparison to 360 (and that my friends, is a straight up and down, don't even bother, got 40 ni**ers up in here now who'll kill ni**ers for me - FACT
EDIT2: thought ni&&ers would have starred itself out and it was meant as a joke..and AND its a lyric from a song....so don't track me down and set fire to my house...with me in it. <disclaimer end>
well for the five months ive had it im not complaining on the game front(so what if 360 owners got them first-I dont own one)..obviously i bought it for the games...but all of the above extras is sure a nice touch(im typing this from the ps3 browser with bluetooth KB and mouse) on my 47 inch 1080p tv...with that in mind i dont need to get up and turn on my comp...nice to have i can tell you...besides,all this(games wise) is only AT THE MOMENT Great joke about your '******s' c**k
*looks at watch* 360 fanboys should be here any minute now
Must be harsh times to be a PS3 owner. Everyone hates Sony at the moment, not just 360 owners. Their constant babbling about how 'this is only possible on PS3 thanks to Blu-Ray' just p**ses everyone off. Fact is there has not been one game on PS3 that has made everyone stand up and agree with Sony's comments. Simply put, Sony are just trying to brainwash people and create a selling point for PS3. They cant use the 'True HD' line anymore because 360 can do 1080p now so they have moved onto touting Blu-Ray. To be honest, I don't think Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is needed for games this gen but thats just my view.
Are you listening,pc software developers,you are doing it all wrong,you simply can't make a decent product,using dvd media and the hard disk,it's official !
Take note crytek,epic,2K .
Please stop writing like you do its at best annoying and at worst extremely egotistical. PC games in general don't need the extra disk space. They tend to be installed from a compressed data source into a larger game file and some times added on to (were necessary). Consoles in general cant do this and so they need all the data, fully uncompressed and on the disk (and before people start pointing out about all these devs talking about on disk compression thats different) Personally i don't think this is the game to prove their point but please people don't compare it to gears of war. Gears had lots of natural terrain which is easier to make (and less expensive) than the amazingly detailed shanty's in killzone.
Quite simple really. They have been a dominate force in the gaming industry for over 10 years now. They made PS3 thinking they didn't have to do anything to impress anyone as people will stick with the company thats produced the #1 console for the two generations. They lie about things, don't stick to their word and have been brought back down to earth and find themselves in last place. They needed a wake up call and they've got one... Sadly this has done nothing for them as instead of keeping quiet or winning people over they go on about how PS3 only offers 'True HD'. That bubble is then burst by MS updating 360 so it supports 1080p. They then move onto the SixAxis, boasting of how it can rival the Wii's controls. That goes no where and people want rumble instead so they keep quiet about the controller. Finally they move onto Blu-Ray boasting about how all these games are only possible on PS3 and that its the onlt true next gen console... Simply put, no one likes an arrogant company, especially when it has no foundations to be arrogant about something.
Crysis looks 3X better than Killzone 2. So. Crysis looks 10X better than Halo 3! LOL!!! Is Crysis even on the 360? NOOO!! Only available on the PC. WHAHAHAHA!!!
Quite simple really. They have been a dominate force in the gaming industry for over 10 years now. They made PS3 thinking they didn't have to do anything to impress anyone as people will stick with the company thats produced the #1 console for the two generations. They lie about things, don't stick to their word and have been brought back down to earth and find themselves in last place. They needed a wake up call and they've got one... Sadly this has done nothing for them as instead of keeping quiet or winning people over they go on about how PS3 only offers 'True HD'. That bubble is then burst by MS updating 360 so it supports 1080p. They then move onto the SixAxis, boasting of how it can rival the Wii's controls. That goes no where and people want rumble instead so they keep quiet about the controller. Finally they move onto Blu-Ray boasting about how all these games are only possible on PS3 and that its the onlt true next gen console... Simply put, no one likes an arrogant company, especially when it has no foundations to be arrogant about something.
oh yeah..i suppose micr$oft never lie eh?? must be because they are a nicey wicey little company looking after the little man,and not out to make profits on faulty hardware/software... you just keep telling yourself that mate as you fork out again on either a new console due to RRoD,or fork out on a 'revised' edition everytime they can wring more cash out of you on properiety peripherals.. HDD/Wi-fi/HD-HDD/headsets etc (and stuff that should of come out of the box in the first place) i.e HDMI/larger HDD etc... better get them rose tinted specs of my friend and start smelling the coffee
Are you listening,pc software developers,you are doing it all wrong,you simply can't make a decent product,using dvd media and the hard disk,it's official !
Take note crytek,epic,2K .
You're overlooking the fact that PC games can easily ship on multiple DVDs because the game has to be installed to a hard drive anyway. That means disc swapping will never be an issue for PC developers, if a game doesn't fit on a single DVD disc they can simple use another... and another... and another. This isn't the case with the consoles, particularly the Xbox 360 which lacks a HDD as standard so devs can't rely on it.
P.S. Epic have publically admitted that the 360 version of Unreal Tournament III will probably ship with fewer maps than the PC and PS3 versions due to a lack of space on the DVD.
Offtopic: Fr@ser needs an eye checkup I think...he's been posting that way for years, it's time sir to get your vision sorted out!
Ontopic: Well it isn't surprising that these comments are made by the developer, I'm sure PS3 owners will feel a warm glow as their purchase is justified. Killzone 2 is looking fantastic, but I'm not convinced it could only be done on the PS3 since for example Call of Duty 4 also looks fantastic and IW managed to fit that on a DVD....even if it came on 2 DVDs I don't think you'd hear many 360 gamers crying about it.
Offtopic: Fr@ser needs an eye checkup I think...he's been posting that way for years, it's time sir to get your vision sorted out!
Ontopic: Well it isn't surprising that these comments are made by the developer, I'm sure PS3 owners will feel a warm glow as their purchase is justified. Killzone 2 is looking fantastic, but I'm not convinced it could only be done on the PS3 since for example Call of Duty 4 also looks fantastic and IW managed to fit that on a DVD....even if it came on 2 DVDs I don't think you'd hear many 360 gamers crying about it.
I agree.
Well being a 360 owner (and other consoles/pc) and playing blue dragon, disc swapping isnt a problem gives me 30 seconds of exercise getting up and swapping discs.
To me those comments sound like a lazy developer who CBA to fit stuff onto dvd. Yes games will release with less maps on dvd, doesnt mean the visual and gameplay experience wont be the same.
To all xbox360 fanboys: shut your mouth and wait for KILLZONE 2 because it will kick Gears of War (and Bioshock) ass badly and from what i saw so far it looks like a playable movie in graphics quality.
To all pc fanboys (like blarnak): To make Crysis looks 3X better than Killzone 2 (wich it can't because killzone 2 looks fantastic in a different way) first upgrade your pc to a MONSTER and then tell us how fantastic crysis will be (i think it will but you will have to pay 2x or 3x the cost of PS3 to do that)
On blue-ray now: Why not get back to the old trusty cd and play Killzone 2 on 70 cds it will be great!!! You have to understand that technology goes forward not back and that's a fact. If micro$oft made a big mistake to put a plain dvd on the "next gen??" xbox360 that's xbox360 fanboys problem not our ,and in the coming years it will be an even bigger problem for games on 360, wait and see..
Quite simple really. They have been a dominate force in the gaming industry for over 10 years now. They made PS3 thinking they didn't have to do anything to impress anyone as people will stick with the company thats produced the #1 console for the two generations. They lie about things, don't stick to their word and have been brought back down to earth and find themselves in last place. They needed a wake up call and they've got one... Sadly this has done nothing for them as instead of keeping quiet or winning people over they go on about how PS3 only offers 'True HD'. That bubble is then burst by MS updating 360 so it supports 1080p. They then move onto the SixAxis, boasting of how it can rival the Wii's controls. That goes no where and people want rumble instead so they keep quiet about the controller. Finally they move onto Blu-Ray boasting about how all these games are only possible on PS3 and that its the onlt true next gen console... Simply put, no one likes an arrogant company, especially when it has no foundations to be arrogant about something.
Equally, nobody likes a person full of hatred.
Hate is as close to jealousy as you can get and your posts are always slagging sony off. Does it really matter what these people say? Wait till the game is released and then we can all have an opinion. I bought an Elite with Bioshock just recently after listening to all the brilliant reviews and excitement. And do you know what? I played it for an hour or two and have'nt been back on it since. The lesson that I learned was 'don't take other's opinions as gospel - trust your own judgement'. That way you can never go wrong. I don't believe for one minute that Killzone can't be done on 360. Then again, I've seen basically very little of it, so how can I really know?
Quite simple really. They have been a dominate force in the gaming industry for over 10 years now. They made PS3 thinking they didn't have to do anything to impress anyone as people will stick with the company thats produced the #1 console for the two generations.
b******s!They've been the dominating force because of their long term view.The ps3 is the most advanced and future proof console on the market.It doesnt impress certain people because of the price and the slow start in quality software (much like the ps2).And the constant nagging from certain xbox fanboys with a "we've been slaughtered by the ps2" syndrom doesnt help either.That, however, has nothing to do with the ps3 hardware.
They lie about things, don't stick to their word and have been brought back down to earth and find themselves in last place. They needed a wake up call and they've got one...
Ah yes, the Sony is lying line, fantastic.Hey i agree that Sony can be full of sh*t sometimes.The 4d, next-gen starts when we say so ramblings.But you know what kind of lying really hurts?When a company (Microsoft) rushes a console to the market by building a console with the cheapest solution in mind, without any sort of quality control, just so they can have the "first on the market" advantage.
It turns out it has a 30+ % failure rate, and for almost 2 years Microsoft blames the consumer for not taking good care of the console.People have to spend money on repairs and extended warranties, not to forget they spend money because it takes 20+ minutes to actually get someone from Microsoft on the line, and then you have to wait for your refurbished crappy console to come back after god knows how long.But you know ... things break
I'd take PR bullsh*t from Sony over that console misery any day of the week.
Sadly this has done nothing for them as instead of keeping quiet or winning people over they go on about how PS3 only offers 'True HD'. That bubble is then burst by MS updating 360 so it supports 1080p.
This just proves my point that MS has no long term view.Just look at the 3 SKUs.The core is a failure, it has no HD wich hurts developers.The "elite" (lol) sports a bigger HD with inferior (1.2) HDMI.It all screams lack of long term view.
They then move onto the SixAxis, boasting of how it can rival the Wii's controls. That goes no where and people want rumble instead so they keep quiet about the controller. Finally they move onto Blu-Ray boasting about how all these games are only possible on PS3 and that its the onlt true next gen console...
Well i agree about the Sixaxis, the motion sensing is pretty much weaksauce.Blu-Ray is next gen, and while it certainly isnt mandatory for great games, it will become much more important down the road.There are already developers stating they have difficulties with fitting their game content on dvd.If they have difficulties now, how will that fare in the next couple of years?
And before people begin with compression, using time and resources to come up with better compression techniques just so you can fit slightly more game data on a dvd9 is just a workaround to the problem, while Blu-Ray eliminates the problem.I really cant understand why people are fighting against more storage space when it will only benefit us.It's like saying "i dont need a bigger harddisk, there should be a more space efficient tool for all my data".It's retarded.
Simply put, no one likes an arrogant company, especially when it has no foundations to be arrogant about something.
No, simply put, people like to see the big guy fall.Some complaints are certainly correct.The price must come down, and there needs to be more quality games. And you know what, both will happen.
Offtopic: Fr@ser needs an eye checkup I think...he's been posting that way for years, it's time sir to get your vision sorted out!
Ontopic: Well it isn't surprising that these comments are made by the developer, I'm sure PS3 owners will feel a warm glow as their purchase is justified. Killzone 2 is looking fantastic, but I'm not convinced it could only be done on the PS3 since for example Call of Duty 4 also looks fantastic and IW managed to fit that on a DVD....even if it came on 2 DVDs I don't think you'd hear many 360 gamers crying about it.
Spot on. I really wouldnt mind changing discs a few hours into a game. Ive made this point before but what about GC and PS2. Two of the greatest games have been released on both platforms - RE4 and Killer 7. On the GC these are 2 disc, on the PS2 just one. How many GC owners had a problem with changing discs in either of these games? Also how many people feel the PS2 is a greater console because it could fit them on one?
Offtopic: Fr@ser needs an eye checkup I think...he's been posting that way for years, it's time sir to get your vision sorted out!
Ontopic: Well it isn't surprising that these comments are made by the developer, I'm sure PS3 owners will feel a warm glow as their purchase is justified. Killzone 2 is looking fantastic, but I'm not convinced it could only be done on the PS3 since for example Call of Duty 4 also looks fantastic and IW managed to fit that on a DVD....even if it came on 2 DVDs I don't think you'd hear many 360 gamers crying about it.
Spot on. I really wouldnt mind changing discs a few hours into a game. Ive made this point before but what about GC and PS2. Two of the greatest games have been released on both platforms - RE4 and Killer 7. On the GC these are 2 disc, on the PS2 just one. How many GC owners had a problem with changing discs in either of these games? Also how many people feel the PS2 is a greater console because it could fit them on one?
But why do it when you don't have to? Most of mans greatest inventions were created through him/her being lazy sods
Halo3 is made for the 360 and could not been made on any other platform. Bungie is wise not to come out with such "nonsense"
Each developer can make his own story if he would like to do...Question is ? Is the game gonna be good ? Is this story gonna sell more copies of the game ? 0 value article imo.
Also ...not long ago Ninja Theory made same statements , look the reviews...
Spot on. I really wouldnt mind changing discs a few hours into a game. Ive made this point before but what about GC and PS2. Two of the greatest games have been released on both platforms - RE4 and Killer 7. On the GC these are 2 disc, on the PS2 just one. How many GC owners had a problem with changing discs in either of these games? Also how many people feel the PS2 is a greater console because it could fit them on one?
Not every game lends itself to a multi disc solution.It would mean certain games (sandbox games come to mind) would have to swap on a regular basis when travelling areas back and forth, to just name one example.I would hate as a developer to have a grand idea for my game only for it to be killed by limited disc space/multi disc.
So imo its better to eliminate the problem than to find workarounds on the problem.
Spot on. I really wouldnt mind changing discs a few hours into a game. Ive made this point before but what about GC and PS2. Two of the greatest games have been released on both platforms - RE4 and Killer 7. On the GC these are 2 disc, on the PS2 just one. How many GC owners had a problem with changing discs in either of these games? Also how many people feel the PS2 is a greater console because it could fit them on one?
Not every game lends itself to a multi disc solution.It would mean certain games (sandbox games come to mind) would have to swap on a regular basis when travelling areas back and forth, to just name one example.I would hate as a developer to have a grand idea for my game only for it to be killed by limited disc space/multi disc.
So imo its better to eliminate the problem than to find workarounds on the problem.
Good point. I see where your coming from. But if GTA 4 and Oblivion are able to fit on a DVD then what cant I ask? Sure you can say Killzone 2 and Heavenly sword but I think these could if the developer really wants it to. I mean Heavenly sword is 6 hours long isnt it? Oblivion hundreds.
I do think MS should let developers use the HD-DVD drive for games if they really want to though and include the drive as standard on the elite model. Oh well
well like everyone else has said...unsurprising comment from them really!
i dont think the sixaxis is in any way important, so far the only thing its good for is melee attacks in resistance and for downloadable game use. Though it can be fun on motorstorm at times.
As for the whole Blu Ray thing, there is nothing wrong with using a couple of discs. But what about when a lot of games are using the full dual layer? Would everyone be pleased if 360 ended up getting a load of PS3 ports with no less than 6 discs?
After skim-reading the endless fanboy tripe that has been issued forth from both 360 and PS3 fans, the only thing I can sum from all this is that PS3 devs are suggesting blu-ray holds more information and therefore it holds bigger games. The inference being that these games will therefore naturally be better as a result. Which is clearly just marketing spin and would be criticised by PS3 owners just as fiercely as it is by 360 owners now, were it the other way round.
360 fans are defending an aging format in order to justify Microsoft's decision not to include HD-DVD out of the box when it is clear to me that disc-swapping and DVD's obvious limitations as a next-gen storage format would've been criticised just as heavily by these 360 owners if it the situation were reversed.
Of course there are 360 and PS3 owners who are rising above this childishness but for the most part, even trying to express indifference is feeding into the marketing machine's hands. If Killzone 2 cannot be done on 360, great! The PS3 is the best woo hoo!! But do you seriously believe M$ won't dump on 360 owners by allowing HD-DVD only games if it meant maintaining it's position? Seriously, when you've had arguements similar to this since 1985 (Spectrum Vs C64) you start to realise that in the end, it's all just business.
Good point. I see where your coming from. But if GTA 4 and Oblivion are able to fit on a DVD then what cant I ask? Sure you can say Killzone 2 and Heavenly sword but I think these could if the developer really wants it to. I mean Heavenly sword is 6 hours long isnt it? Oblivion hundreds.
Well, GTA4 is beeing delayed till '08.I'm not necessarily saying its because of discspace, but i wouldn't be surprised if they have to let some content go.And it wouldn't be new, it happened last gen as well.And the generation before that.I dont think a developer would ever object to more discspace
Oblivion is a great game, and a big one as well with indeed over 100 hours of gameplay.But then again, it didnt have a lot of variety in textures, and the feeling of repetition kicked in after a while.I kinda got fed up with the same caves and dungeons after a while.The PC community was pretty dissapointed because they felt the pc version was gimped texturewise by the 360 version, wich resulted in higher res textures mods and thus increasing the actual size of the game.
That said this is a 2006 game and is nowhere near what we can expect further down the road.I think it's still too early to really point to a game and say this is why we need Blu-Ray, because it's still in a transition phase, but the beginning is here and will be much more apparent with 2nd and 3rd generation games.
I do think MS should let developers use the HD-DVD drive for games if they really want to though and include the drive as standard on the elite model. Oh well
Yeah, but that's the problem.They have an installed base of ~10/11 million consumers.So they'd have to say to everyone of them "you need to pay another x amount of money for a HD-DVD drive to play our games".And that would kill the xbox360.It's the same reason why the core is a failure.It's holding development back because of the lack of standard HDD.
Sony gets a lot of hate from people, and some it does deserve.But Blu-Ray is definitely not one of them, and when you see ps2 going into its 8th year this christmas and still selling as crazy, that Blu-Ray drive is gonna come in handy at some point in the near future.
Quite simple really. They have been a dominate force in the gaming industry for over 10 years now. They made PS3 thinking they didn't have to do anything to impress anyone as people will stick with the company thats produced the #1 console for the two generations.
b******s!They've been the dominating force because of their long term view.The ps3 is the most advanced and future proof console on the market.It doesnt impress certain people because of the price and the slow start in quality software (much like the ps2).And the constant nagging from certain xbox fanboys with a "we've been slaughtered by the ps2" syndrom doesnt help either.That, however, has nothing to do with the ps3 hardware.
They lie about things, don't stick to their word and have been brought back down to earth and find themselves in last place. They needed a wake up call and they've got one...
Ah yes, the Sony is lying line, fantastic.Hey i agree that Sony can be full of sh*t sometimes.The 4d, next-gen starts when we say so ramblings.But you know what kind of lying really hurts?When a company (Microsoft) rushes a console to the market by building a console with the cheapest solution in mind, without any sort of quality control, just so they can have the "first on the market" advantage.
It turns out it has a 30+ % failure rate, and for almost 2 years Microsoft blames the consumer for not taking good care of the console.People have to spend money on repairs and extended warranties, not to forget they spend money because it takes 20+ minutes to actually get someone from Microsoft on the line, and then you have to wait for your refurbished crappy console to come back after god knows how long.But you know ... things break
I'd take PR bullsh*t from Sony over that console misery any day of the week.
Sadly this has done nothing for them as instead of keeping quiet or winning people over they go on about how PS3 only offers 'True HD'. That bubble is then burst by MS updating 360 so it supports 1080p.
This just proves my point that MS has no long term view.Just look at the 3 SKUs.The core is a failure, it has no HD wich hurts developers.The "elite" (lol) sports a bigger HD with inferior (1.2) HDMI.It all screams lack of long term view.
They then move onto the SixAxis, boasting of how it can rival the Wii's controls. That goes no where and people want rumble instead so they keep quiet about the controller. Finally they move onto Blu-Ray boasting about how all these games are only possible on PS3 and that its the onlt true next gen console...
Well i agree about the Sixaxis, the motion sensing is pretty much weaksauce.Blu-Ray is next gen, and while it certainly isnt mandatory for great games, it will become much more important down the road.There are already developers stating they have difficulties with fitting their game content on dvd.If they have difficulties now, how will that fare in the next couple of years?
And before people begin with compression, using time and resources to come up with better compression techniques just so you can fit slightly more game data on a dvd9 is just a workaround to the problem, while Blu-Ray eliminates the problem.I really cant understand why people are fighting against more storage space when it will only benefit us.It's like saying "i dont need a bigger harddisk, there should be a more space efficient tool for all my data".It's retarded.
Simply put, no one likes an arrogant company, especially when it has no foundations to be arrogant about something.
No, simply put, people like to see the big guy fall.Some complaints are certainly correct.The price must come down, and there needs to be more quality games. And you know what, both will happen.
my god...i really cant believe it!!! common f**king sense!!! love you man
I do think MS should let developers use the HD-DVD drive for games if they really want to though and include the drive as standard on the elite model. Oh well
Yeah, but that's the problem.They have an installed base of ~10/11 million consumers.So they'd have to say to everyone of them "you need to pay another x amount of money for a HD-DVD drive to play our games".And that would kill the xbox360.It's the same reason why the core is a failure.It's holding development back because of the lack of standard HDD.
Bugger, need to think more before posting. MS definately c**ked things up on the core w/o HDD front. But theyve at least realised this mistake and are now letting developers use the HDD now for their games. But with the DVD drive, until I see some hard proof of a fantastic PS3 game that no 360 game matches or hear a multi-platform developer say its a problem (in video not just internet text) I dont think its a major problem. I'll probably be proven wrong but by that time the PS3 will have come down in price and we'll all own one anyway and wont be as hotly debated
my god...i really cant believe it!!! common f**king sense!!! love you man
lol ... i couldn't let that bs go unreplied now could i?
Bugger, need to think more before posting. MS definately c**ked things up on the core w/o HDD front. But theyve at least realised this mistake and are now letting developers use the HDD now for their games. But with the DVD drive, until I see some hard proof of a fantastic PS3 game that no 360 game matches or hear a multi-platform developer say its a problem (in video not just internet text) I dont think its a major problem. I'll probably be proven wrong but by that time the PS3 will have come down in price and we'll all own one anyway and wont be as hotly debated.
Well, it will somewhere in the near future.These things usually take some time.Not saying dvd is a complete failure or anything.I doubt it will make games suddenly suck or something haha.Just saying that down the road games will evolve in some form due to more disc-space.Its the nature of this industry, so its not that hard to imagine.
There are some videos out there of devs/producers having some concerns about size constraints.The Mark Rein (epic) one comes to mind where he doubts if all maps in UT3 would fit on a dvd9.But yeah ... its not that big of a deal as of now.
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Should have had those in the first place. Damned release dates. Id gladly have waited).
