Sony will discontinue the European 60GB PlayStation 3 once all remaining stock has been snapped up.
The news follows Sony's announcement on Friday that it will be introducing a new entry-level 40GB PS3 in Europe, while slashing the cost of the existing 60GB model while stocks last.
An official statement from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe reads:
Our offering in the UK market place for Christmas are the two sku's announced on Friday, but as the 60GB stock is depleted the £299 40GB sku will be the only version available going forward.
The 40GB machine represents all the power and potential of PlayStation 3 at a very compelling price. Whilst the feature set of the 40GB is a result of extensive feedback and research, all the 'missing' features should some consumers require them are easily upgraded with USB memory card readers, USB hubs, or bigger external USB or internal HDs.
The only functionality that is being removed is backwards compatibility - and this is because we believe this less important now than when we launched - as there will be 65 PS3 games available by Christmas.
Furthermore we believe we should now be devoting our resources to the future of PlayStation gaming and delivering next generation experiences.
Sony is currently phasing out the 60GB model Stateside. Once all remaining stock is cleared from retailers, the only model left will be the 80GB PS3 which sells for $599.
However, rumors continue to suggest that the 40GB PS3 will see a North American release. While SCEA has kept mum on the subject, a recent Hollywood Reporter article touts November 2 as the 40GB console's planned US launch date.
I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
Why!? FFS, i cant afford a PS3 until after xmas is over but i dont want the stripped down 40GB model. Most of Sonys BS pre-release was taking p**s out of 360 small HDD now the PS3 is only twice the size
Err... I assume they are going to be introducing an 80GB or upwards model... rather than solely have a cut-down model on the market...because that is what this article suggests
That's it. The last remaining vestige of desire to buy a PS3 that I had, briefly rekindled after news of the pricedrop, has been brutally stamped out by Sony. I'm fed up with them selling us short, they can stick their PS3's up their bottom. Sideways.
Am I the only person who has lost all track of how many different versions of the PS3 there are, and what features they have? At least Microsoft kept it simple by offering two models, with nice consumer-friendly names!
"Are there two versions of the Xbox 360 that people want to buy, is my question," he continued. "I don't know."
"This is my personal view, not my corporate view, but when I look at those formats, I think it just confuses the audience. They don't know which one to buy, developers don't know which one to create for, and retailers don't know which one to stock."
"So I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion."
At least the Xbox option was pretty simple as well - Hard Disk or no Hard Disk. And let's be honest, if you don't have the HD by now you're a muppet. Extra issue now with the 120Gb version, but it's still not rocket science.
I was impressed with the new cheaper option as well, but I think they're screwing themselves over now. 40Gb won't hold that many Blu-ray movies (if they want to sell it as a multimedia hub) and no BC means all those old PS1/2 games you have become coasters. One or the other would have made more sense.
Am I the only person who has lost all track of how many different versions of the PS3 there are, and what features they have? At least Microsoft kept it simple by offering two models, with nice consumer-friendly names!
"Are there two versions of the Xbox 360 that people want to buy, is my question," he continued. "I don't know."
"This is my personal view, not my corporate view, but when I look at those formats, I think it just confuses the audience. They don't know which one to buy, developers don't know which one to create for, and retailers don't know which one to stock."
"So I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion."
Phil Harrison, Sony, August 2005.
They arent having two on the market though. They are just keeping the inferior model. So in a few weeks they will only have one model in the market and it will be even less value for money than the current 60GB model. If they had just sklashed the 60GB model to Ł350 they wouldnt be a problem as thats an excellent deal
Am I the only person who has lost all track of how many different versions of the PS3 there are, and what features they have? At least Microsoft kept it simple by offering two models, with nice consumer-friendly names!
I think you are the only one, yes.
This is the problem, when the current stock disappears, you will only have to remember one SKU - the 40GB, feature-lacking version.
And to be honest, microsoft have had , core, premium, arcade, elite, halo, and these have varied in features and some are reportedly soon having HDMI - i know some of them are virtually the same (i.e. core and arcade) but saying Microsoft has just 2 skus is crazy talk, foo'.
Calm down lads. I think its obvious what Sony's next move is, release a fancy version to compete with the 360 Elite. Sony can't honestly stick with a 40GB cut down version when they keep touting PS3 as a multimedia hub. My guess is that either before christmas, or early next year we will see a tarted up version that includes the Dual Shock 3 and a HDD larger than 120GB. Still, I think Sony are going from worse to worse. They are now trying to basically force people to buy a PS3 in the worry that their only option in the future will be a s**te cut down version. Just when you thought PS3 was back on track, Sony go and do this...
...They are now trying to basically force people to buy a PS3 in the worry that their only option in the future will be a s**te cut down version. Just when you thought PS3 was back on track, Sony go and do this...
That's whats made me put my name down for one of the 60GB versions to pick up on Wednesday. I know I'm probably being conned but I was going to get one before christmas anyway. I just wish I had some self control could have hung on until the dualshock was part of the pack, although 6 months after launch is a record for me not to buy a new console.
You know those crappy hollywood movies like American Pie where theres the scene where some idiot does summat really embarassing & stupid and you cant bear too watch...
Congratulations to Sony for performing the Videogame equivalent...
Calm down lads. I think its obvious what Sony's next move is, release a fancy version to compete with the 360 Elite. Sony can't honestly stick with a 40GB cut down version when they keep touting PS3 as a multimedia hub. My guess is that either before christmas, or early next year we will see a tarted up version that includes the Dual Shock 3 and a HDD larger than 120GB. Still, I think Sony are going from worse to worse. They are now trying to basically force people to buy a PS3 in the worry that their only option in the future will be a s**te cut down version. Just when you thought PS3 was back on track, Sony go and do this...
Which will once again be over Ł400 I bet. Out of my price range again. The 60GB model at Ł350 is an excellent deal & it truly baffles the mind why they cant just keep this model & forget the stupid 40gb model
Calm down lads. I think its obvious what Sony's next move is, release a fancy version to compete with the 360 Elite. Sony can't honestly stick with a 40GB cut down version when they keep touting PS3 as a multimedia hub. My guess is that either before christmas, or early next year we will see a tarted up version that includes the Dual Shock 3 and a HDD larger than 120GB.
Still, I think Sony are going from worse to worse. They are now trying to basically force people to buy a PS3 in the worry that their only option in the future will be a s**te cut down version. Just when you thought PS3 was back on track, Sony go and do this...
Agree completely - this is obviously their intention, and I find such a blatant attempt to manipulate their consumers pretty appalling...
And for all their abuse of Microsoft and their different SKUs, Sony have done far worse and yet seem to be getting off very lightly. At least the core 360 is completely upgradeable to the premium version...
At least the Xbox option was pretty simple as well - Hard Disk or no Hard Disk. And let's be honest, if you don't have the HD by now you're a muppet. Extra issue now with the 120Gb version, but it's still not rocket science.
I was impressed with the new cheaper option as well, but I think they're screwing themselves over now. 40Gb won't hold that many Blu-ray movies (if they want to sell it as a multimedia hub) and no BC means all those old PS1/2 games you have become coasters. One or the other would have made more sense.
I'm really not suprised by this....Sony wanted to charge us more for a lesser console that the rest of the world got from launch. They always treat the europeans as the poor cousins and always will.
Boo to them!
PS - I want it to play PS2 games.......who still plays on ps1 games anymore?
So that's actually been confirmed now? Last I heard it hadn't been said for sure one way or the other. I guess it's something, but it's still not worth all that much these days.
At least the Xbox option was pretty simple as well - Hard Disk or no Hard Disk. And let's be honest, if you don't have the HD by now you're a muppet. Extra issue now with the 120Gb version, but it's still not rocket science.
I was impressed with the new cheaper option as well, but I think they're screwing themselves over now. 40Gb won't hold that many Blu-ray movies (if they want to sell it as a multimedia hub) and no BC means all those old PS1/2 games you have become coasters. One or the other would have made more sense.
Incorrect! 40gb WILL play PS1 games.
"The only functionality that is being removed is backwards compatibility - and this is because we believe this less important now than when we launched - as there will be 65 PS3 games available by Christmas."
Where did you get you get the information that PS1 games will work?
For me this doesn't seem like such bad news. ever since the PS3's release people have been moaning about the ridiculous price tag of the 60gb model. So why the f**k is everyone moaning when Sony listens to the consumer and tries and do something about it?
So what if you can't fit as many blu-ray films on the hard disk they come on discs anyway and it's still gonna be able to play any PS3 game the 60gb model can. As for backwards compatability that's a strange issue as it's to do with liscensing costs for the emulators rather than hardware costs. Maybe sony could sell the emulators as a download so if you want to pay the extra the option's there. Whatever Sony is gonna be selling a s**t load more units this Christmas with what I feel is a far more attractive deal.
i cant believe all this fuss. everybody says it's too expensive. we get a great price crash to Ł299 and everybody is still moaning. we need to remember one clear thing here, we want to play games, not record movies etc. who really cares if the drive is 40 gig (equivalent to most sky boxes) or 60 gig. agreed, we need some goods games out but at 300 quid it means i can get a ps3 without feeling ripped off and play resistance at long last. who here has a problem with their 20gig 360 drive. i for one don't apart from having to dump the odd demo. and am i correct in saying the ps3 will take an external HD that you can buy for peanuts if you really want to start downloading films at a premium. common please, Ł299 for a games consol with huge potential and a built in blue ray i paid Ł400 quid for my megadrive from japan for christ sake!
Am I the only person who has lost all track of how many different versions of the PS3 there are, and what features they have? At least Microsoft kept it simple by offering two models, with nice consumer-friendly names!
Erm, there are two in the UK LOL Can you count to two? 40GB and the 60GB and then there will be one, the 40GB. This isn't rocket science, it's very simple.
Then again we have FOUR 360 versions! Core, Premium, Elite and Halo3! Please do your research.
Erm, there are two in the UK LOL Can you count to two? 40GB and the 60GB and then there will be one, the 40GB. This isn't rocket science, it's very simple.
Then again we have FOUR 360 versions! Core, Premium, Elite and Halo3! Please do your research.
I think he's referring to how many there have been in total:
20 GB 40 GB 60 GB 80 GB
And i think the Halo 3 360 is more of a limited edition really.
Has anyone noticed the finish of the 40GB PS3 is supposed to be "Matte" now instead of "Glossy"?
And people are still whinging because they aren't getting a price-cut, more a features-cut console. Wouldn't it be better if they just reduced the 60GB to 349.99 or something like that?
To be honest, i think they are relying on the ignorance of the mass market to sell it now. 299 looks a lot better and most people won't care or even know that certain features have been dropped.
Surprised I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
Well if you pay Ł50 more you can have the 60GB model with all the features. That's the point of having two models right...
It really is confusing, and there's hardly any 'choice' when it comes to buying a PS3 now, as it seemed there would be to begin with. I do want that 60GB version though, and at the price it is with the games it has, it's now an appealing offer. I just can't imagine us not getting the 80GB version though after the 60GB one is depleted, but I'm not that bothered about 80gigs.
It may play my hand to buy one before Christmas now, who knows. I just wonder how much 60GB stock is left. They way the PS3 has been selling generally, I'd guess quite a lot.
So many people seem to pop up here just to have a whinge. You moan when PS3 is fully featured, "we don't want all the pointless extra crap, we want a games console that's cheaper..." etc. Now you moan when they take out all that extra crap and make it cheaper. Sony will NEVER win in the eyes of a few on here yet they are the one's that seem to want to make the loudest noise.
As for backwards compatability, do any of you actually play original xbox games on your 360? I know I don't and no one else I know who owns a 360 seems to. It may be a little more important during the transition between generations, when there aren't too many new games to play on the new machines but that changes rather swiftly once the library expands. If there aren't enough games to keep you entertained on the PS3 then just don't buy one... stick with your PS2 until there are... Just stop popping up on here every opportunity you get and subjecting us to your whiney little emo bulls**t.
Bring back the days where you walked into your local videogame store of choice and slapped down your cold hard cash and walked away with the ONE console that they developed and manufactured. All this one-up-manship that Sony and MS are waging will do the average Joe consumer no favours and will press them towards owning a bog standard Wii, which is a straight forward purchase requiring no geek insider knowledge.
One console one price please Mr Sony and Mr Microsoft.
So many people seem to pop up here just to have a whinge. You moan when PS3 is fully featured, "we don't want all the pointless extra crap, we want a games console that's cheaper..." etc.
I think people actually wanted the choice whether they wanted this extra crap or not. Now, again, the choice is in the hands of Sony and not the consumer.
Anyone who goes out and orders a PS3 60Gig (out of panic of only being able to buy an inferior model once the 60Gig stocks have gone) after reading this article is an utter moron and deserves to be ripped off (I bet Sony directors will be wetting themselves over each and every console sold on the run up to Christmas).
This is because most consumers are waiting for the Dualshock 3 pad and some decent PS3 Exclusive games to hit the market before shelling out on a ps3.
Ł350 for a 60Gig Ps3 Isnt a bad offer (must admit) but in 5 months time add an extra Ł70 - Ł80 for a couple of Dualshock 3's and youre back at Ł420 -Ł430 again.
I would wait until mid next year (That will be the right time for Sony) unless they carry on treating the European consumers like idiots.
So many people seem to pop up here just to have a whinge. You moan when PS3 is fully featured, "we don't want all the pointless extra crap, we want a games console that's cheaper..." etc.
I think people actually wanted the choice whether they wanted this extra crap or not. Now, again, the choice is in the hands of Sony and not the consumer.
They've HAD the choice since March. You either buy all the features or you don't... there... a choice. Now they have the choice to either buy all the features, buy some of the features for cheaper or don't buy any... a choice. In a few months you'll have the choice of buying a few of the features or nothing... a choice. Then after that probably a choice to buy all the features again, just some, or nothing. Your reasoning is b******s and just an excuse to whinge.
So many people seem to pop up here just to have a whinge. You moan when PS3 is fully featured, "we don't want all the pointless extra crap, we want a games console that's cheaper..." etc. Now you moan when they take out all that extra crap and make it cheaper. Sony will NEVER win in the eyes of a few on here yet they are the one's that seem to want to make the loudest noise.
As for backwards compatability, do any of you actually play original xbox games on your 360? I know I don't and no one else I know who owns a 360 seems to. It may be a little more important during the transition between generations, when there aren't too many new games to play on the new machines but that changes rather swiftly once the library expands. If there aren't enough games to keep you entertained on the PS3 then just don't buy one... stick with your PS2 until there are... Just stop popping up on here every opportunity you get and subjecting us to your whiney little emo bulls**t.
It's Xbox owners entering the latter stages of red ring disease. Symptoms include cold sweats, memory loss and an uncontrollable impulse to slate someones else's electronic device.
The illness culminates with them reversing everything they had previously said and eventually buying this electronic device.
So many people seem to pop up here just to have a whinge. You moan when PS3 is fully featured, "we don't want all the pointless extra crap, we want a games console that's cheaper..." etc.
I think people actually wanted the choice whether they wanted this extra crap or not. Now, again, the choice is in the hands of Sony and not the consumer.
They've HAD the choice since March. You either buy all the features or you don't... there... a choice. Now they have the choice to either buy all the features, buy some of the features for cheaper or don't buy any... a choice. In a few months you'll have the choice of buying a few of the features or nothing... a choice. Then after that probably a choice to buy all the features again, just some, or nothing. Your reasoning is b******s and just an excuse to whinge.
Yes because i just love to make up reasons to whinge.
This:
You either buy all the features or you don't... there... a choice.
...is what i call b******s reasoning.
How about a choice that doesn't involve NOT buying the console? I hardly think that phasing out one console still constitutes as a choice, especially since the 60gb stock will now be limited.
Come next year, when the 60gb is sold out, there won't be a choice, they'll have one type and thats it.
At least the Xbox option was pretty simple as well - Hard Disk or no Hard Disk. And let's be honest, if you don't have the HD by now you're a muppet. Extra issue now with the 120Gb version, but it's still not rocket science.
I was impressed with the new cheaper option as well, but I think they're screwing themselves over now. 40Gb won't hold that many Blu-ray movies (if they want to sell it as a multimedia hub) and no BC means all those old PS1/2 games you have become coasters. One or the other would have made more sense.
Incorrect! 40gb WILL play PS1 games.
"The only functionality that is being removed is backwards compatibility - and this is because we believe this less important now than when we launched - as there will be 65 PS3 games available by Christmas."
Where did you get you get the information that PS1 games will work?
There is PS1 games on PSN store, surely they will work on 40gb?
I agree there are some serious whingers on this forum why don't you just go and get a 60gb model if that's the CHOICE you wanna make so much they're only Ł350.
For me this doesn't seem like such bad news. ever since the PS3's release people have been moaning about the ridiculous price tag of the 60gb model. So why the f**k is everyone moaning when Sony listens to the consumer and tries and do something about it?
So what if you can't fit as many blu-ray films on the hard disk they come on discs anyway and it's still gonna be able to play any PS3 game the 60gb model can. As for backwards compatability that's a strange issue as it's to do with liscensing costs for the emulators rather than hardware costs. Maybe sony could sell the emulators as a download so if you want to pay the extra the option's there. Whatever Sony is gonna be selling a s**t load more units this Christmas with what I feel is a far more attractive deal.
No it is not as simple a them selling the emulator as they are taking out the graphic synthesiser chip to cut costs. With the european launch they cut out the emotion engine chip so there was 2 chips in the original US & JAP machines to run BC. So you are talking a possible saving of Ł40-Ł50 by removing those chips alone
I luckily now it seems purchased the 60gb model on day 1 but this move for me is a bad one. There's nothing to compete from Sony with the Elite when they phase out the 60gb model. Granted the features being taken away are minimal, memory card readers and less usb ports we could do without but NO backwwards compatibility? Saying that they want to focus on making PS3 games is fine but also saying that there will be 65 games by xmas? How many exactly will be dalayed or have been delayed since launch! Hardly any developer has launched in Europe without delay and I can see the real key title for Sony this year being UT3 which looks like it could slip into 08! Games like R&C and uncharted are great but seeing as this generation is now online wheres the good mulitplayer games?
LIke I said im glad i've got mine now but it doesnt help people sitting on the fence run out and get one!
I personally think its a smart move by Sony though, as I've said, the majority of the mainstream market isn't going to know/care about the BC stuff when choosing the PS3, parents will see the Playstation name (its all they know usually, the people that call consoles "playstations" and the sub 300 price tag. Sold.
Why drop features, they will only be saving pennies on some items dropped.....we already pay over the odds compared to america/japan and even pay more than the rest of europe, so why on earth couldn't they have dropped the 60gb version to Ł299 without the 2 games? its still $600! I'm a consumer i have the right to whinge before anyone complains! Anyway whats done is down, Ł299 is still a good price, but anyone buying one will still have that in the back of their minds, 20 more gb, bw comp etc! damn it! Finally though i've heard, gamesindustry i think it was saying a rumour of a 160gb version coming out early next year...now i said its a rumour, but a few of these rumours have been hitting the mark lately and would tie in with PS3 going down to 1 sku again with the dropping of the 60gb model and to compete hd size wise with the elite and what with hd movie dl and that tv thing launching next year, i would bet a bit of money on this coming true...price wise...maybe Ł399
Bloody hell, it's dead simple people. If you want one, then buy one. If you don't, then stop complaining about it. The amount of times I've read trollish remarks on this forum, eg: 'I was going to buy one until Harrison trumped in a lift, next to a blind kid...'
They bring the price down and the trolls complain about the omittance of features that nobody really gives a damn about.
Well, like most people im still undecided wether to buy 360 or ps3. PS3 was the main option -it had BC which meant i wouldnt need a ps2 to play games - I never had a ps2 so theres some games I want to play on that - Like mgs 2 and 3.. FF, GT3 and 4 etc. But now theres no BC.. All I would want a non BC PS3 to play is F1 at the moment. and check this out http://www.laughingdeals.com/deals/buy-the-xbox-360-elite-for-%26pound%3b249.10-with-free-delivery---lowest-price-online.html?gclid=COWF6pad_44CFQESEgodxW4j2A
For Ł249 you get an xbox 360 Elite for less then the dumbed down PS3.. Wish I had the money to afford it though
Yes because i just love to make up reasons to whinge.
Most people on here seem to.
How about a choice that doesn't involve NOT buying the console? I hardly think that phasing out one console still constitutes as a choice, especially since the 60gb stock will now be limited.
Come next year, when the 60gb is sold out, there won't be a choice, they'll have one type and thats it.
You HAVE one... go and buy the fully featured 60gig one now before it sells out or buy the 40 gig one. If you choose to wait then your choice may be limited in the future. You have all the information now so you can't really whinge. If you decide at a later date that you wanted the 60gig one go on ebay. If I decided I wanted an iPod with a touchwheel rather than a clickwheel I'd have to try ebay. Companies release and discontinue products all the time yet only on gaming message boards do people seem to make such noise about it. And of course choosing NOT to buy a console is a choice. No one is forcing you to buy one. You don't buy it because you need it, you buy it because you want it. It's not water, you don't need one to live. So if you want one go out and buy it, you have the information on what is going to happen. If you don't want one then don't buy one. It's your choice. Either way don't whinge about it.
Edit And the 'you' I refer to isn't you in particular... It's a general 'you'.
What's the big deal here? I think it's a step in the right direction, and remember Sony did the same thing with the PS2, the original release had a firewire port.
And how many people need backwards compatability? or six USB ports? or a memory card reader?
I'm sure Sony's marketing department realised that if they didn't get a version out at under Ł300 by X-mas they'd loose sales to Microsoft and Nintendo.
And as for the hard drive being smaller? Come on, even the Elite's 120 gig drive is too small for downloading Hi-Def content, It'll fill up in less than a year, but that's only if they ever get around to starting a download service over here.
As for backwards compatability, do any of you actually play original xbox games on your 360? I know I
I do!!
There were some great games out on the original xbox and i still play many of them now.
....i dont know where id be without my fix of Max Payne everynow and again.
This news means very little to me - as i have no intention of buying a PS3 untill homebrew hits the console (not piracy... homebrew), If the functionality can be exploited in the same way as the PSP then id be interested.... untill then im perfectly happy with what i have (360 and a HD DVD player).
For me it's all about Sony's attitude, they just lie and have no respect for consumers. If the emulation (of THIER system - what licensing cost???), can be done in software it won't save them a penny, but they want to make you buy thier stuff.
They complain about CD copying (and put software on CD's to check on you without your knowledge, remember that?), but are more than happy to bang out blank CD's.
They change competitors details on websites, create fake sites to promote themseleves, the list goes on and on.
I know all the companies are out for a profit, but Sony just takes the award for greed and deception.
No PS3 for me, maybe when PS4 comes out and I can get the final version of the hardware (plus cheap games).
Yes I have a 360, but I have a PS2 and PS1 as well though, I'm no mindless fanboy ok.
Yes because i just love to make up reasons to whinge.
Most people on here seem to.
How about a choice that doesn't involve NOT buying the console? I hardly think that phasing out one console still constitutes as a choice, especially since the 60gb stock will now be limited.
Come next year, when the 60gb is sold out, there won't be a choice, they'll have one type and thats it.
You HAVE one... go and buy the fully featured 60gig one now before it sells out or buy the 40 gig one. If you choose to wait then your choice may be limited in the future. You have all the information now so you can't really whinge. If you decide at a later date that you wanted the 60gig one go on ebay.
And of course choosing NOT to buy a console is a choice. No one is forcing you to buy one. You don't buy it because you need it, you buy it because you want it. It's not water, you don't need one to live. So if you want one go out and buy it, you have the information on what is going to happen. If you don't want one then don't buy one. It's your choice. Either way don't whinge about it.
When I say choice, I'm assuming the person has already made the decision to purchase the console, the choice im referring to is the choice of which one they want, once the initial decision has been made to buy it. And come on, buying it on ebay is hardly a choice offered to you by Sony now is it?
Basically if i wanted a new ps3 in a few months in the shops, then i don't have a choice which one i get.
Anyway, its of no concern to me at the minute, next console im getting is the wii. Maybe sony have another SKU out by next year once manufacturing costs have come down.
All people do in the uk is moan. Want to play PS2 games keep your PS2. Want to play PS3 games upgrade to a PS3 and keep your PS2. I don't use my PS3 for BC as that is not why i purchased it for. Move forward people. Plus Sony said they had enough 60gig PS3 to last through the holiday season.
For me it's all about Sony's attitude, they just lie and have no respect for consumers. If the emulation (of THIER system - what licensing cost???), can be done in software it won't save them a penny, but they want to make you buy thier stuff.
They complain about CD copying (and put software on CD's to check on you without your knowledge, remember that?), but are more than happy to bang out blank CD's.
They change competitors details on websites, create fake sites to promote themseleves, the list goes on and on.
I know all the companies are out for a profit, but Sony just takes the award for greed and deception.
No PS3 for me, maybe when PS4 comes out and I can get the final version of the hardware (plus cheap games).
Yes I have a 360, but I have a PS2 and PS1 as well though, I'm no mindless fanboy ok.
You mean the rootkit fiasco, yeah, it seems that the big companies like Sony are willing to break the law to make money. And if they can hack into your computer they're not gonna loose any sleep about lying to you either.
I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
snap up a 60 on the cheap now, because the Ł349 price will go back up to Ł425 with an 80GB console. just like it is in the USA.
All people do in the uk is moan. Want to play PS2 games keep your PS2. Want to play PS3 games upgrade to a PS3 and keep your PS2. I don't use my PS3 for BC as that is not why i purchased it for. Move forward people. Plus Sony said they had enough 60gig PS3 to last through the holiday season.
what a load of tripe.... surley the whole point of having BC is to get the best of both worlds without having two units clogging up space under the TV.
BC is a major factor for some people who still want to experience some gaming classics.
Do you own a copy of mame.... or do you happen to have a dozen machines around your front room and a factory unit with a s**t load arcade machines bolted onto the side of your house??
Personally - if i were considering buying a PS3... id find the loss of BC a real slap in the face. The smaller HDD, loss of memory units and USB ports wouldnt bother me.... but no BC is a major no no as far as im concerned.
and as for the UK public moaning.... its what we do. Your being asked to pay for a piece of equipment... and that alone gives you the right to moan about it.
Once again sony manage to steel defeat from the jaws of victory, just as they looked like claiming market share back with the price drop to the 60gb version, they annouce its being phased out and that BC is being taken away, dispite the fact they have been banging on about bc since PS2 about how it important it was and it helped to reasure people that thousands apon thousands of games were already availble to buy.
Now PS3 wont have it, along side every other feature sony said was the reason why PS3 was expensive, because it was going to be a multimedia hub for the living room and needed 4 usb slots, a memory card reader, a 60gb hdd, along side blue-ray drive, now their admitting again that you dont need BC or a MC reader or even a 60gb hdd.
Once again europe and the uk are screwed big time by sony, while america gets a 80gb one with everything on it, we get a cut down one, without everything sony hyped up and get to pay the same price as in america for the previlage of doing so.
MS kept it simply with the multi sku 360's, for the 1st 2 years, it was just the core and premium models (with hdd and with out), then recently the elite joined them (just a bigger hdd) and now the halo 3 console (limted amount of stock, once gone, gone forever) and thats it.
It wont suprise me when people buy PS3 and then take it back because it cant play PS2 games come xmas, because everyone knows alot of marketing speak that aims towards the casual as always mentioned you can play old games on it.
All people do in the uk is moan. Want to play PS2 games keep your PS2. Want to play PS3 games upgrade to a PS3 and keep your PS2. I don't use my PS3 for BC as that is not why i purchased it for. Move forward people. Plus Sony said they had enough 60gig PS3 to last through the holiday season.
what a load of tripe.... surley the whole point of having BC is to get the best of both worlds without having two units clogging up space under the TV.
BC is a major factor for some people who still want to experience some gaming classics.
Do you own a copy of mame.... or do you happen to have a dozen machines around your front room and a factory unit with a s**t load arcade machines bolted onto the side of your house??
Personally - if i were considering buying a PS3... id find the loss of BC a real slap in the face. The smaller HDD, loss of memory units and USB ports wouldnt bother me.... but no BC is a major no no as far as im concerned.
and as for the UK public moaning.... its what we do. Your being asked to pay for a piece of equipment... and that alone gives you the right to moan about it.
Especially with our taxes too. We have to pay more than most other countries for any product due to having high taxes.
I agree about BC ebing a big no no too. Smaller HDD and less usb slots bother me not. BC though is a great feature to have in the consoles. Sony was the first company to sing its praises in the PS2 days & were congratulated for it as Ninty and MS have now. Now Sony have flip flopped yet again. Like everything else -HDD size being important, BC, rumble pads etc
well - the whole pad fiasco is like something of the pages of a monty python script.
First theres no rumble... then there is.... then theres the half bottomd attempt at motion sensing, then theres the total lack of progression on pad design since the PS1 (apart from that whole comedy boomerang thing that we saw pics of).... back when the sticks were an after thought.
Personally ive always hated the PS1/ PS2 / PS3 pad, the sticks are in the wrong place and give me cramp in my hands after an hour and its just not a pleasent pad to hold.
Hopefully when homebrew hits someone will release a patch to allow you to use a 360 pad on there (obviously only on games that dont use the 6 axis thing).
Surprised I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
Well if you pay Ł50 more you can have the 60GB model with all the features. That's the point of having two models right...
My point was that the 60gb sku is only as long as stocks last and that's the version i wanted in a few months time.
Surprised I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
Well if you pay Ł50 more you can have the 60GB model with all the features. That's the point of having two models right...
My point was that the 60gb sku is only as long as stocks last and that's the version i wanted in a few months time.
Then get one now, seeing as you now know what's going to happen. You've had plenty of time to save up for one if you wanted one.
For me it's all about Sony's attitude, they just lie and have no respect for consumers. If the emulation (of THIER system - what licensing cost???), can be done in software it won't save them a penny, but they want to make you buy thier stuff.
They complain about CD copying (and put software on CD's to check on you without your knowledge, remember that?), but are more than happy to bang out blank CD's.
They change competitors details on websites, create fake sites to promote themseleves, the list goes on and on.
I know all the companies are out for a profit, but Sony just takes the award for greed and deception.
No PS3 for me, maybe when PS4 comes out and I can get the final version of the hardware (plus cheap games).
Yes I have a 360, but I have a PS2 and PS1 as well though, I'm no mindless fanboy ok.
what babble! your name shoudl be "back bacon" as a piece of raw meat out of my fridge would make more sence.
I know alot of people may just be trolling posting negative comments here but there's good reason too, who exactly did Sony consult about removing BC from all consoles? I sold my PS2 to make way for my PS3 and who really wants two PS consoles under your tv when you should only really have one. Im all for them trying to save money but surely it doesnt cost that much to implement emulation!
What I want to know is where is big Phil now? He was everywhere when the PS3 launched in the UK but i've not heard him or anyone else high up at Sony HQ say what they think about people's reactions!
easier said than done if your single, when youve got a family, bills and christmas around the corner that statement doesnt apply.
Not really, I, like most others, have bills to pay, christmas around the corner yet I have a PS3... because I knew I wanted one and I saved up for it in good time to get one. If you chosse to buy other things then you can't really moan when you can't afford to buy a games console you want. You can't expect Sony to keep things exactly the same just because you chose to knock your Mrs up and will have to wait for a few months more to get that games machine you don't really need. Configurations and prices of electrical goods change constantly and people don't moan as much as this... and at the end of the day Sony are in business to make money... nothing more.
Your average PS2 owner isn't going to give two s**ts about what was changed in the last few months, they're just gonna see the lighter price tag. They DON'T CARE about backwards compatibility. They probably still have their old PS1 under the bed... exactly where their PS2 will go when replaced by the PS3.
The only people complaining are the two-faced whiners that frequent boards like this who either always want what isn't there, just so they can moan, or expect everything to be given to them for free. If you want bells and whistles you've still got time to get them. Again, it seems that the people who were moaning about all the extra pointless, expensive crap raising the price of the PS3, questioning why it was even their, crying that they didn't need it or want it are now moaning because it's been taken out and the machine is cheaper.
As for backwards compatability, do any of you actually play original xbox games on your 360? I know I don't and no one else I know who owns a 360 seems to.
Well yes, actually I do, although there are a couple of games which require me to wire up that massive brick every now and then. I also play my PS1 and 2 games on my PS3 and my old Saturn games on my PC. It's not about there not being enough games to play, it's just that the old games still have plenty of life left in then. They cost you enough to buy, so why should you not still be able to play them? My Dreamcast also still sees plenty of use, as does my 360 and PS3. HD size isn't that much of an issue, neither is the whole two USB thing or the loss of the card readers. These things can be gotten over easily enough if you really need to have them. BC is different though, since you can't just buy a magic device to get it working. It is something that many people still continue to use and one that I would miss.
I do still think the Ł300 PS3 is great value for money, but it would be nice if they would continue with the old model as well, is only for BC option which some people do actually want and use. Failing that, somebody could always bring out a nice homebrew emulator!
I am however curious to see just how much Backwards Compatibility support for the PS3 actually costs Sony.
easier said than done if your single, when youve got a family, bills and christmas around the corner that statement doesnt apply.
Not really, I, like most others, have bills to pay, christmas around the corner yet I have a PS3... because I knew I wanted one and I saved up for it in good time to get one. If you chosse to buy other things then you can't really moan when you can't afford to buy a games console you want. You can't expect Sony to keep things exactly the same just because you chose to knock your Mrs up and will have to wait for a few months more to get that games machine you don't really need. Configurations and prices of electrical goods change constantly and people don't moan as much as this... and at the end of the day Sony are in business to make money... nothing more.
Your average PS2 owner isn't going to give two s**ts about what was changed in the last few months, they're just gonna see the lighter price tag. They DON'T CARE about backwards compatibility. They probably still have their old PS1 under the bed... exactly where their PS2 will go when replaced by the PS3.
The only people complaining are the two-faced whiners that frequent boards like this who either always want what isn't there, just so they can moan, or expect everything to be given to them for free. If you want bells and whistles you've still got time to get them. Again, it seems that the people who were moaning about all the extra pointless, expensive crap raising the price of the PS3, questioning why it was even their, crying that they didn't need it or want it are now moaning because it's been taken out and the machine is cheaper.
Its Ken Kutaragi!!
Seriously though dude, you've been doing the most whining here today, (i'll admit I did my fair share too though) but whining about whining is still whining.
Seriously though dude, you've been doing the most whining here today, (i'll admit I did my fair share too though) but whining about whining is still whining.
True, it just makes my head hurt reading all the crap from the usual retards that only ever seem to pop out of hiding to bitch about stuff like this... especially when they were asking for stuff like this 7 months ago.
As for being Kenny... Surely if that were true I'd be on the haters' side after being turfed out on my ass a couple of months ago.
Seriously though dude, you've been doing the most whining here today, (i'll admit I did my fair share too though) but whining about whining is still whining.
As for being Kenny... Surely if that were true I'd be on the haters' side after being turfed out on my ass a couple of months ago.
Calm down lads. I think its obvious what Sony's next move is, release a fancy version to compete with the 360 Elite. Sony can't honestly stick with a 40GB cut down version when they keep touting PS3 as a multimedia hub. My guess is that either before christmas, or early next year we will see a tarted up version that includes the Dual Shock 3 and a HDD larger than 120GB. Still, I think Sony are going from worse to worse. They are now trying to basically force people to buy a PS3 in the worry that their only option in the future will be a s**te cut down version. Just when you thought PS3 was back on track, Sony go and do this...
Couldn't agree more, i am a total Playstation fanboy but they really have lost it.The average punter must be a bit miffed,what dickheads!!!!!!!!1
there will be 65 PS3 games available by Christmas.
OMG an amazing 65 games.
sorry I just had to.
Anyway.
What on earth are sony doing, Bring out a cut down 60GB ver in Europe later than the US & Japan, say a lower priced smaller HD unit is not coming to Europe. Than drop 60GB ver and replace with an even more Cut down ver. Taking time out to mock competiters for the rubish launch line up/lack of focus on BC and just plane simplistic/stupid aproch to the next gen. Great going SONY.
.....Oh wate thats right theres an American running the company, now it's all making sence.
Boy oh boy. Some of you just love to bitch don't you? Let's face it, who buys a PS3 to play PS2 games? Only a complete idiot. You buy a PS3 to play PS3 games (and maybe watch blu-ray movies). That's it. If you want to play PS2 games, do what alot of people have done - keep your PS2. Honestly, some people just look for any excuse to moan.
The main thing people should be discussing, is that Sony has just realised they've made a mistake packing so much into the PS3 and pricing it out of alot of people's reaches (though it's unlikely they'll admit it anytime soon). Sales are suffering as a result. They're now having to trim away the excess and non-essential baggage such as the memory card reader and backwards compatibilty in order to bring the console down in price similar to that of the 360 Elite. Let's face it, the majority of people aren't going to miss those features. Whether this will help drive sales over the X-Mas period, we'll have to wait and see.
Just don't be too surprised if you see an official price cut from Microsoft soon, similar to prices shown on Play.com and ShopTo.com.
i really dont know where to start apart from.... AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
jesus f**king h christ...listen to yourselves (obviously rival console owners!) it was to expensive....it had to much HD...it had a 'proprietry' format which no body wanted???? everybody complained that it didnt matter about BC as micro$ofts was so f**ked up,and nobody wanted to play last gen games on a new gen system anyway.... now....sony have f**king listened to you whining minority...(god knows why, to try and bring you over?) then does everything that you wanted...now look....they do it! they dropp the price to be affordable,they lose some of the 'extras' you say are useless (i.e some of the usb hubs/memory card readers)...but no...you all really wanted to play your old games again didnt you??? you know,the ones on your mythical ps2 and not xbox! if you REALLY want to play them, get either the 60 gig version now!! or play them on your ps2's!!! (they had a good point about focusing on the ps3's library and not the ps2/1) not that any of you cynical bastards would care because apparently 'there are no good games on the ps3'... seriously lads...is there no pleasing you??? would a bit of felatio help??? sorry rant over...but this is seriously beginning to get on my t**s!
p.s if you really,i mean REALLY want to have the 'lack' of extras...why not try buying a USB hub,a USB key and a 120gbHDD for next to nothing???? why not have a think about it,instead of thinking for the negative??? is this why the world is so f**ked?? i mean...
...it just makes my head hurt reading all the crap from the usual retards that only ever seem to pop out of hiding to bitch about stuff like this... especially when they were asking for stuff like this 7 months ago...
Oh get off your f**king pedestal & come down here with the rest of us. We were never asking them to rip out BC, card readers or USB's. It's the Blu-ray we didn't want.
We're after a console in the same vein as the 360 or the Gamecube, just a games machine. No extra crap that pushes up the price & that pretty much lies soley with the BR player.
Rip out the BR player & we're talking. They shouldn't phase out the 60gig tho unless they're replacing it with a 80gig with BC.
Choice is good. There should be a cheap 40gig with no Blu-Ray & a pricier (media hub) 80gig with BC.
Don't be stupid. They can't just rip out the bluray anymore than MS can start dropping games on HDDVDs.
I'm glad I got a 60GB PS3 now, didn't realise they were phasing them out! I can understand making a cheaper machine, but why remove the memory card ports and two USB ports? Sony really have lost the plot.
But if they take out BC, they can continue to sell PS2s....
I like how the Sony-fanboys are out in full force, desperately trying to justify Sony's increasingly retarded actions.
I wasn't going to buy one, so it doesn't really matter to me. But still, it's a ridiculous thing to do. As far as I'm concerned, they can just go ass-fist themselves.
I like how the Sony-fanboys are out in full force, desperately trying to justify Sony's increasingly retarded actions.
I wasn't going to buy one, so it doesn't really matter to me. But still, it's a ridiculous thing to do. As far as I'm concerned, they can just go ass-fist themselves.
i really dont know where to start apart from.... AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
jesus f**king h christ...listen to yourselves (obviously rival console owners!) it was to expensive....it had to much HD...it had a 'proprietry' format which no body wanted???? everybody complained that it didnt matter about BC as micro$ofts was so f**ked up,and nobody wanted to play last gen games on a new gen system anyway.... now....sony have f**king listened to you whining minority...(god knows why, to try and bring you over?) then does everything that you wanted...now look....they do it! they dropp the price to be affordable,they lose some of the 'extras' you say are useless (i.e some of the usb hubs/memory card readers)...but no...you all really wanted to play your old games again didnt you??? you know,the ones on your mythical ps2 and not xbox! if you REALLY want to play them, get either the 60 gig version now!! or play them on your ps2's!!! (they had a good point about focusing on the ps3's library and not the ps2/1) not that any of you cynical bastards would care because apparently 'there are no good games on the ps3'... seriously lads...is there no pleasing you??? would a bit of felatio help??? sorry rant over...but this is seriously beginning to get on my t**s!
p.s if you really,i mean REALLY want to have the 'lack' of extras...why not try buying a USB hub,a USB key and a 120gbHDD for next to nothing???? why not have a think about it,instead of thinking for the negative??? is this why the world is so f**ked?? i mean...
Calm down m8. People are just expressing their opinion, that's all; it's nothing to get irate over. It’s what these forums are made for. As long as it is valid and not pointless console bashing then it's cool.
I agree with you on some of your points, in that stripping the console down to make it cheaper was a good move by Sony. They really do need to increase sales, and the price was the main thing putting people off.
The majority of people aren’t bothered about backwards compatibility, that is true, and will probably never take advantage of it, but some of us, myself included, use it quite often and believe it to be an important feature. Of course, I've had the 60GB version since release day (I know I'm an idiot- I just can't wait on a new console) so this news doesn't really affect me, but it will effect the purchase decision of people that have yet to buy one.
I like how the Sony-fanboys are out in full force, desperately trying to justify Sony's increasingly retarded actions.
I wasn't going to buy one, so it doesn't really matter to me. But still, it's a ridiculous thing to do. As far as I'm concerned, they can just go ass-fist themselves.
easier said than done if your single, when youve got a family, bills and christmas around the corner that statement doesnt apply.
Not really, I, like most others, have bills to pay, christmas around the corner yet I have a PS3... because I knew I wanted one and I saved up for it in good time to get one. If you chosse to buy other things then you can't really moan when you can't afford to buy a games console you want. You can't expect Sony to keep things exactly the same just because you chose to knock your Mrs up and will have to wait for a few months more to get that games machine you don't really need. Configurations and prices of electrical goods change constantly and people don't moan as much as this... and at the end of the day Sony are in business to make money... nothing more.
Your average PS2 owner isn't going to give two s**ts about what was changed in the last few months, they're just gonna see the lighter price tag. They DON'T CARE about backwards compatibility. They probably still have their old PS1 under the bed... exactly where their PS2 will go when replaced by the PS3.
The only people complaining are the two-faced whiners that frequent boards like this who either always want what isn't there, just so they can moan, or expect everything to be given to them for free. If you want bells and whistles you've still got time to get them. Again, it seems that the people who were moaning about all the extra pointless, expensive crap raising the price of the PS3, questioning why it was even their, crying that they didn't need it or want it are now moaning because it's been taken out and the machine is cheaper.
i feel i have to point out that i dont actually want a PS3, my point was that for some people (me included)... its not as simple as just saving for one over a short space of time... some people have to save for quite a long time in order to get the things they really want.
as for people only popping up every now and again to moan - well if you refering to me with that - then its laughable.
Cant remember the last time i moaned about anything!
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I am now pretty worried because i wasn't going to buy a ps3 for a few months but now i risk getting only a rubbish cut price version when i wanted to buy the full monty.
and the sub 300 price tag. Sold.
sorry I just had to.
