Propaganda Games, developer of the new Turok game, has told CVG that it is looking at creating a fix to remove the team-killing Grab Bag achievement that caused riots a few weeks ago.
The Grab Bag achievement, dubbed the 'Worst Achievement Ever' by the internet, gives you ten points if you ""kill at least 1 creature, 1 enemy, 1 teammate, and yourself in the same round of a public match," encouraging the ultra-infuriating practice of team killing.
Josh Holmes, VP of Propaganda Games, told CVG explained why such an achievement was added. "What we found was that players playing their first match in Turok - almost every player - was (accidentally) killing himself, a team mate and an enemy with a grenade or a Stick Bomb gun and so we thought 'hey, we should give them an achievement for that', as kind of a joke.
But those frustrated with 'Acheivement whores messing up team games for achievements in games like Halo 3 didn't find it funny.
"We've read some of the concerns that were described online, and maybe we underestimated the length to which so-called 'achievement whores' will go to [in order to] get their achievements," admitted Holmes.
"We are currently looking at readying a patch or solution for it if it does become an issue when the game releases," he added.
Interestingly, he goes on to discuss the general topic of online multiplayer achievements.
"I saw a lot of opinions expressed on forums and a lot of the comments on the stories that came out about the achievements. There's a lot of discussion on whether multiplayer achievements are good at all.
"Personally, from my experience, the people that I know that are really concerned with achievements in multiplayer are people that will set up a private match with their friends and try to accomplish the achievements within that framework. They won't go into a public match and try to disrupt the game by focussing on their achievements at the exclusion of helping their team," Holmes added.
"On one hand, it's something that encourages more people to actually play multiplayer, and therefore it introduces more people to the multiplayer experience and increases the community playing online. On the other hand, while they're 'achievement whore-ing', maybe it's screwing up the way that they play, and that's not a good thing."
Clearly he's never played a single 360 game with online achievements or he'd know better than to assume people will try not to annoy people. Or ever left his own house, for that matter.
People are selfish morons. If they want something they will go for it, irrelevant of whether it upsets other people or not.
2nd - I hateonline mutliplayer achievements. Why should I have to go online to get 1000 gamerscore. What if I buy the game at a later date & noone plays it online anymore - making them impossible to get?
COD4 has got tonnes of praiose of its players for having ll of its achievements offline. This should be more common. Unless you are placing the multiplayer aspect ahead of the singleplayer achievements should stay offline. Like you say people set up private matches just grinding to get their achievements. Why not place them alli singleplayer with actual rewards for doing somethign challenging or impressive rather than giving it to the people who are just the most persistant. This would also make the achievements more of an achievement to get rather than just from a session of grinding online. COD4 again did this. I was so happy with its mile high on veteran achievement that I even put it in my sig once I got it. This was because of the achievement I felt when I got it. Something hardly any other game has given me. It shouldnt be up to me going online & finding some other lifeless morons asking 'can you line up & let me kill you all so I can get an achievement'. It sullies the reputation for it for people who actualy get it from skill too. As 'Johnny no gf' has got it from like minded morons agreeing to do nothing in the match while he gets them.
I like multiplayer achievements but i hate the abuse they get. Acheivements on Multiplayer should reward you for teamwork (get 10 assists, win 30 shotty sniper matches, revive 10 teammates) rather than making you compete with not only the opposition but your own team as well which many of them do.
Also no acheivements for being top of a leaderboard. Once you do that it's abused and becomes meaningless. In fact scrap leaderboards. The gameplay should be good enough that you don't ned one.
Organise proper tournaments to find out whos best where it's monitored and can't be abused.
I've said before that I think there should be a seperate scoring/kudos system for 'achievements' online that don't contribute to the game's 1000 (or more) points - like a total of 3 stars that can each be from copper up to gold or something, giving online players extra bragging rights, but not getting in the way of a player clocking a game.
Not one 360 game is going to be supported online for many years after we're on to the next Microsoft console, so unless the achievements are automatically unlocked in that case, some people will never be able to gain some multiplayer specific achievements (killing 10,000 people in GoW would be an interesting attempt in such a scenario) - and that is just fabulous game design, just like this stupid achievement, continuing the truth that there are some absolute idiots in the industry.
2nd - I hateonline mutliplayer achievements. Why should I have to go online to get 1000 gamerscore. What if I buy the game at a later date & noone plays it online anymore - making them impossible to get?
COD4 has got tonnes of praiose of its players for having ll of its achievements offline. This should be more common. Unless you are placing the multiplayer aspect ahead of the singleplayer achievements should stay offline. Like you say people set up private matches just grinding to get their achievements. Why not place them alli singleplayer with actual rewards for doing somethign challenging or impressive rather than giving it to the people who are just the most persistant. This would also make the achievements more of an achievement to get rather than just from a session of grinding online. COD4 again did this. I was so happy with its mile high on veteran achievement that I even put it in my sig once I got it. This was because of the achievement I felt when I got it. Something hardly any other game has given me. It shouldnt be up to me going online & finding some other lifeless morons asking 'can you line up & let me kill you all so I can get an achievement'. It sullies the reputation for it for people who actualy get it from skill too. As 'Johnny no gf' has got it from like minded morons agreeing to do nothing in the match while he gets them.
Couldn't agree more. I was going to come on and post the exact same thing. Looks like I don't need to.
2nd - I hateonline mutliplayer achievements. Why should I have to go online to get 1000 gamerscore. What if I buy the game at a later date & noone plays it online anymore - making them impossible to get?
COD4 has got tonnes of praiose of its players for having ll of its achievements offline. This should be more common. Unless you are placing the multiplayer aspect ahead of the singleplayer achievements should stay offline. Like you say people set up private matches just grinding to get their achievements. Why not place them alli singleplayer with actual rewards for doing somethign challenging or impressive rather than giving it to the people who are just the most persistant. This would also make the achievements more of an achievement to get rather than just from a session of grinding online. COD4 again did this. I was so happy with its mile high on veteran achievement that I even put it in my sig once I got it. This was because of the achievement I felt when I got it. Something hardly any other game has given me. It shouldnt be up to me going online & finding some other lifeless morons asking 'can you line up & let me kill you all so I can get an achievement'. It sullies the reputation for it for people who actualy get it from skill too. As 'Johnny no gf' has got it from like minded morons agreeing to do nothing in the match while he gets them.
^ completely agree also not every one plays online in the 1st place
The one thing I hate the most are Gamer Point whores! what a bunch of f**king backward retards. get a f**king life!! do they seriously think I'm going to log into Xbox live one day, see their Gamer-card and think, WOW!!! He's my hero, he's got 50,000 gamer points!! f**k me!! he must be amazing!!???
The answer is simple, NO! he's a f**king low life c**t with no friends or life and spends to much time playing s**te games like "Open Season" and "Shriek" to rinse as many pathetic worthless f**king gamer points as possible!!
phewww... glad I got that of my chest.
I hope I have offended the gamer point whores amongst you.
The one thing I hate the most are Gamer Point whores! what a bunch of f**king backward retards. get a f**king life!! do they seriously think I'm going to log into Xbox live one day, see their Gamer-card and think, WOW!!! He's my hero, he's got 50,000 gamer points!! f**k me!! he must be amazing!!???
The answer is simple, NO! he's a f**king low life c**t with no friends or life and spends to much time playing s**te games like "Open Season" and "Shriek" to rinse as many pathetic worthless f**king gamer points as possible!!
phewww... glad I got that of my chest.
I hope I have offended the gamer point whores amongst you.
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