Insomniac Games said a while back that it was "flattered" that the spherical worlds of Mario Galaxy were inspired by Ratchet and Clank. But Miyamoto says he's never heard of it.
Official Nintendo Magazine UK asked the father of Mario what he thought about Insomiac's comments in a recent interview, to be published in the next issue (Issue 25). But instead of acknowledging Insomniac's work, he asked: "Is it a PC game?"
Miyamoto said he was "surprised" by Insomniac's comment. "In terms of the spherical worlds and anti-gravity," he went on to explain, "we had the original idea as soon as we finished the development of Mario 64 and had been experimenting with it for many years, even on the N64."
(What we wouldn't give to play those prototypes.)
"It's not an idea we got from anywhere else," adds Miyamoto, before adding: "I'm sorry but I have to admit that I've never seen the game in question. Is it a PC game?"
Miyamoto learns from no-one.
You can read the full four-page interview in issue 25 of Official Nintendo Magazine UK, which features a six-page report on No More Heroes, a big 2008 preview feature and a free calendar. It's on sale Friday 21 Dec (cover image pictured).
Ractchet and Clank - my bottom - those idiots would say anything to link their brand to the mighty Miyamoto. They should be thanking the great gaming god for his inspiration to the whole industry over the last 3 decades or so. R
I think i've heard it all now! Galaxy, the most inventive platformer in years inspired by a very basic, by the numbers rehash of a PS2 game! B*LLS!!!!
Why is it that game developers come out with this kind of crap? I like both titles in there own way, and I like both developers, but when some guy tries to steal credit for what is possibly the game of the year from a true genius, then that just really gets on my t*ts.
Go away and consentrate on 'Fall of man 2' and if it is better than the first game then I shall forgive you for this rather shamefull blunder.
Well as Galaxy is possibly the greatest game ever made you can't blame insomniac for trying to latch on in some way. Still does not stop them from talking utter crap though!
I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto years ago where he said that he liked to keep up to date with what's going on in the console world (this was before PCs really took off as a gaming platform), and that he enjoyed lots of games of different platforms.
If that's still true nowadays (and I see no reason why it shouldn't be) then there's no way he could have failed to hear about ratchet and clank
I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto years ago where he said that he liked to keep up to date with what's going on in the console world (this was before PCs really took off as a gaming platform), and that he enjoyed lots of games of different platforms.
If that's still true nowadays (and I see no reason why it shouldn't be) then there's no way he could have failed to hear about ratchet and clank
The Mario 128 tech demo complete with spherical world was first shown at the official GC unveiling back in 2001 before the first instalment of Rachet & Clank even existed.
I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto years ago where he said that he liked to keep up to date with what's going on in the console world (this was before PCs really took off as a gaming platform), and that he enjoyed lots of games of different platforms.
If that's still true nowadays (and I see no reason why it shouldn't be) then there's no way he could have failed to hear about ratchet and clank
I can't remember R&C ever being a game worth mentioning.
ratchet&clank and mario have almost nothing in common, but to say he never heard of one of the biggest platformers in recent years is something I just don't believe.
miyamoto who always makes original games probably has never heard of ratchet and clank, ratchet and clank might not be as big in japan. Ratchet future tools is good but not anywhere near the same level as galaxy
@ 11redder - I wasn't implying that Galaxy was in any way inspired by R&C, not for a second. In fact, Miyamoto is one of the few people in the gaming world that I believe when he says something like 'we didn't copy such and such a game'.
@ colonel whiskers - I don't know about the first one, but the second one has had a lot of press recently.
ratchet&clank and mario have almost nothing in common, but to say he never heard of one of the biggest platformers in recent years is something I just don't believe.
It only ranks as one of the biggest because of the lack of platformers in recent years. To say it even comes close to Galaxy would be just stupid!
It only ranks as one of the biggest because of the lack of platformers in recent years.
The first Ratchet & Clank came out around the same time as Jak & Daxter and Super Mario Sunshine. Lack of platformers? Obviously. Ratchet & Clank stole Mario's crown last gen.
Guys, stop the Nintendo fanboy attitude. Galaxy is a great game. A very cool platformer. But its not the greatest game ever made. And neither is R&C. They are both great platforms with different strenghts and weaknesses. I hate people living in a bubble. And miya not heard of R&C? Yeah right, who do you think you are kidding!?
It only ranks as one of the biggest because of the lack of platformers in recent years.
The first Ratchet & Clank came out around the same time as Jak & Daxter and Super Mario Sunshine. Lack of platformers? Obviously. Ratchet & Clank stole Mario's crown last gen.
Erm.............
I can only imagine that you must be joking as although Sunshine did not come close to matching Mario64 it was still an amazing game. Jak and Daxter was better than R&C!
Guys, stop the Nintendo fanboy attitude. Galaxy is a great game. A very cool platformer. But its not the greatest game ever made. And neither is R&C. They are both great platforms with different strenghts and weaknesses. I hate people living in a bubble. And miya not heard of R&C? Yeah right, who do you think you are kidding!?
I am no fanboy. I have been gaming for over 27 years and between myself and my friends we have owned almost every console ever released in the UK and some that have not! I currently own and Amiga 600, Atari Lynx, NeoGeo Pocket Color, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, PSP, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance sp, DS, Wii, 360, GameCube, Xbox, PC and a Good old Spectrum 48k. I have played almost all the games worth playing on all these systems and out of all the games Galaxy is the Best one closely followed by Mario64, Ocarina of Time, SWOS and Mario Kart. I can also imagine that Miymoto has not heard of R&C just as Real Madrid Players have probably never heard of Acrington Stanley! It is a nothing game that is only important due to the severe lack of games on PS3. God I hate people that call me a fanboy just because they no nothing about games!
Guys, stop the Nintendo fanboy attitude. Galaxy is a great game. A very cool platformer. But its not the greatest game ever made. And neither is R&C. They are both great platforms with different strenghts and weaknesses. I hate people living in a bubble. And miya not heard of R&C? Yeah right, who do you think you are kidding!?
Shut the f*ck up - its the best game in years - you sir, don't know what you're talking about.
ratchet&clank and mario have almost nothing in common, but to say he never heard of one of the biggest platformers in recent years is something I just don't believe.
Games like Monster Hunter are some of the biggest games in Japan but in the west only a cult following knows about them whats to say R&C aren't the same only in reverse. Me myself and a number of other people are only just taking note of the R&C series, even people who have heard of it may not pay much attention to the series. The games themselves have never broken the million barrier in sales or generated massive hype and is only really in the spot light due to the library problems the PS3 has had this year.
The fact that a game like this even though good is classed as a genre heavyweight shows the platformers have been going downhill name any other big platformer that aren't Mario and Jak.
Rachet & Clank is a poor man's Jak & Daxter. The developer's obviously thought their game would get more attention if they claimed Mario Galaxy was inspired by it... How insulting...
Can you really class Mario Galaxy as the greatest game ever? Better than GTA?
Even though they are incomparable in most senses I think the sheer variety in GTA's gameplay puts it way ahead of Galaxy.
Although it is hard to directly compare them as they are very different games, I would say that yes it is better than GTA. GTA had many flaws which were ignored due to the scale and freedom and shock factor of the game. Yes it is truly a great game but Mario has virtually flawless level design and a perfect learning curve. This is what made Mario 64 such a great game and it is what makes Galaxy so great. GTA is certainly up there but Galaxy is as close to perfect in every way as a game can get.
its only two games. R&C owes nothing to any mario game.
mario probably owes nothing to r&c. but to be honest i would rather play ratchet and clank.
it's just a superior game. i've played both and tbh mario was a bit same-ey, i didnt see any nifty gravity stuff i hadnt thought of myself. which is where i find ratchet wins, the weapons and story are very inventive.
If a game does something i wouldnt have though of myself, its great.
i find mario never really has any surprises. its got nice controls, but theres never anything i go "WOW!" at. i'm not talking graphically, im talking conceptually.
Can you really class Mario Galaxy as the greatest game ever? Better than GTA?
Even though they are incomparable in most senses I think the sheer variety in GTA's gameplay puts it way ahead of Galaxy.
Although it is hard to directly compare them as they are very different games, I would say that yes it is better than GTA. GTA had many flaws which were ignored due to the scale and freedom and shock factor of the game. Yes it is truly a great game but Mario has virtually flawless level design and a perfect learning curve. This is what made Mario 64 such a great game and it is what makes Galaxy so great. GTA is certainly up there but Galaxy is as close to perfect in every way as a game can get.
no such thing as perfect levels. the only time i've ever seen anything come clos is Sonic Adventures Windy Valley and Emerald Coast levels, and sonic 2's first level.
I'm slightly perturbed by the few people on here saying that Miyamoto's claim of never hearing of R&C can't be true. Are you suggesting he's lying? Or, more importantly, that we are? Go ahead, feel free to actually say it - we're all friends here. Well, sort of.
Also, I'd like to point out that we suggested the headline of 'Miyamot-owned' for this story, but Mr Jackson wouldn't allow it.
I'm slightly perturbed by the few people on here saying that Miyamoto's claim of never hearing of R&C can't be true. Are you suggesting he's lying? Or, more importantly, that we are? Go ahead, feel free to actually say it - we're all friends here. Well, sort of.
Also, I'd like to point out that we suggested the headline of 'Miyamot-owned' for this story, but Mr Jackson wouldn't allow it.
5 years I have been coming on here and never made 1 friend. Thats just not the spirit of forums these days.
ratchet&clank and mario have almost nothing in common, but to say he never heard of one of the biggest platformers in recent years is something I just don't believe.
It only ranks as one of the biggest because of the lack of platformers in recent years. To say it even comes close to Galaxy would be just stupid!
Galaxy is great on Wii, it would be considered mediocre on any other console. Ratchet blows Galaxy away in every way. Yes I own both games. Galaxy is a big let down.
Are you suggesting he's lying? Or, more importantly, that we are?
Eh ?
Not saying he's lying, but perhaps it's more of a subtle snub......
Still don't get what you mean by you lying though.....
*scratches head*
Because he works for Official Nintendo Magazine.
Also, conceptually Mario Galaxy is brilliant - I can't think of every level off hand but playing the Dreadnought Galaxy and the Toy Galaxy last night I just remember thinking how fantastic the creativity and imagination was in these levels. Top class! Plus I can't think of any gain Miyamoto would have from lying about not hearing of R&C. He has no reason to be so petty.
I think this is proof that Miyamoto is sealed away in some kind of Tuppaware until Nintendo need him for something, like dead horse flogging or laughing at his rubbery face.
Can you really class Mario Galaxy as the greatest game ever? Better than GTA?
Even though they are incomparable in most senses I think the sheer variety in GTA's gameplay puts it way ahead of Galaxy.
Although it is hard to directly compare them as they are very different games, I would say that yes it is better than GTA. GTA had many flaws which were ignored due to the scale and freedom and shock factor of the game. Yes it is truly a great game but Mario has virtually flawless level design and a perfect learning curve. This is what made Mario 64 such a great game and it is what makes Galaxy so great. GTA is certainly up there but Galaxy is as close to perfect in every way as a game can get.
no such thing as perfect levels. the only time i've ever seen anything come clos is Sonic Adventures Windy Valley and Emerald Coast levels, and sonic 2's first level.
Sonic Adventure was a very broken platform game there were no levels that even came close to great let alone perfect! Mario 64 and Galaxy on the other hand both come as close as you can get as did Super Mario World and (as much as it can without any decernable levels) Final Fantasy 7
ratchet&clank and mario have almost nothing in common, but to say he never heard of one of the biggest platformers in recent years is something I just don't believe.
It only ranks as one of the biggest because of the lack of platformers in recent years. To say it even comes close to Galaxy would be just stupid!
Galaxy is great on Wii, it would be considered mediocre on any other console. Ratchet blows Galaxy away in every way. Yes I own both games. Galaxy is a big let down.
This is a ridiculous statement. If a game is great on one platform then it is great on all platforms unless you are a fanboy of course. Final Fantasy Was a great game on PS but if it had been on Saturn then it would still be a great game! The only time this would not be true is when the game is not quite the same on another platform ie Tombraider on the wii is broken as they somehow felt that they had to use the motion controls instead of just releasing a good game with normal controls. Saying that you are probably correct in saying that galaxy would be mediocure on other platforms as the slick controls would not port across at all. R&C should not even be mentioned as it is not nearly as good as many other platform games. As I have said, it is only even slightly important due to the lack of software on the PS3.
Galaxy is great on Wii, it would be considered mediocre on any other console. Ratchet blows Galaxy away in every way. Yes I own both games. Galaxy is a big let down.
Can't agree with that. The only negative I can say about Mario Galaxy is that it doesn't have the greatest graphics ever. Now going by your statement, if it was on 360 or PS3 and took advantage of the hardware, that problem would be eliminated making the game near perfect in my eye's. To compare a game like Mario Galaxy to Rachet & Clank is just plain crazy. Rachet & Clank is a mediocre game at best, including the newest game, while the Mario games have always been superb and the best platforming games to ever grace video games. Also, people didn't give two s**tes about the Rachet games until this recent one and that's simply because the PS3 has a real lack of decent exclusive software...
Guys, stop the Nintendo fanboy attitude. Galaxy is a great game. A very cool platformer. But its not the greatest game ever made. And neither is R&C. They are both great platforms with different strenghts and weaknesses. I hate people living in a bubble. And miya not heard of R&C? Yeah right, who do you think you are kidding!?
totally agree. also, can someone point me to where/when Insomniac said that? could be a case of a mis-quote thats now stirring the cesspool of fanboydom to anger.
I'm slightly perturbed by the few people on here saying that Miyamoto's claim of never hearing of R&C can't be true. Are you suggesting he's lying? Or, more importantly, that we are? Go ahead, feel free to actually say it - we're all friends here. Well, sort of.
Also, I'd like to point out that we suggested the headline of 'Miyamot-owned' for this story, but Mr Jackson wouldn't allow it.
5 years I have been coming on here and never made 1 friend. Thats just not the spirit of forums these days.Lonewolfs dont have wolf friends,cant belive he's never heard of r&c he makes games for a living ffs.mario p**ses all over r&c btw
Can you really class Mario Galaxy as the greatest game ever? Better than GTA?
Even though they are incomparable in most senses I think the sheer variety in GTA's gameplay puts it way ahead of Galaxy.
Although it is hard to directly compare them as they are very different games, I would say that yes it is better than GTA. GTA had many flaws which were ignored due to the scale and freedom and shock factor of the game. Yes it is truly a great game but Mario has virtually flawless level design and a perfect learning curve. This is what made Mario 64 such a great game and it is what makes Galaxy so great. GTA is certainly up there but Galaxy is as close to perfect in every way as a game can get.
no such thing as perfect levels. the only time i've ever seen anything come clos is Sonic Adventures Windy Valley and Emerald Coast levels, and sonic 2's first level.
Sonic Adventure was a very broken platform game there were no levels that even came close to great let alone perfect! Mario 64 and Galaxy on the other hand both come as close as you can get as did Super Mario World and (as much as it can without any decernable levels) Final Fantasy 7
SOnic Adventure as a whole may have had problems, but the levels he mentioned were amazingly well designed, and taking into account the speed and action, i would say ARE equal or better than any mario level.
The 1st level of SA2 in particular(Dreamcast version, the Gamecube version was ever so slightly changed)was the best level of any platform game ever. Myself and a friend must have played that 1 level well over 100 times, trying to beat each others score/time. It is perfectly designed.
Can you really class Mario Galaxy as the greatest game ever? Better than GTA?
Even though they are incomparable in most senses I think the sheer variety in GTA's gameplay puts it way ahead of Galaxy.
Although it is hard to directly compare them as they are very different games, I would say that yes it is better than GTA. GTA had many flaws which were ignored due to the scale and freedom and shock factor of the game. Yes it is truly a great game but Mario has virtually flawless level design and a perfect learning curve. This is what made Mario 64 such a great game and it is what makes Galaxy so great. GTA is certainly up there but Galaxy is as close to perfect in every way as a game can get.
no such thing as perfect levels. the only time i've ever seen anything come clos is Sonic Adventures Windy Valley and Emerald Coast levels, and sonic 2's first level.
Sonic Adventure was a very broken platform game there were no levels that even came close to great let alone perfect! Mario 64 and Galaxy on the other hand both come as close as you can get as did Super Mario World and (as much as it can without any decernable levels) Final Fantasy 7
SOnic Adventure as a whole may have had problems, but the levels he mentioned were amazingly well designed, and taking into account the speed and action, i would say ARE equal or better than any mario level.
The 1st level of SA2 in particular(Dreamcast version, the Gamecube version was ever so slightly changed)was the best level of any platform game ever. Myself and a friend must have played that 1 level well over 100 times, trying to beat each others score/time. It is perfectly designed.
Granted it is a fun level. Although it is incredibly linear, play through it at anything less than breakneck speed and you can see how clumsy Sonic Adventure 2 truly is, especially the combat.
Got to be honest,i was quite disappointed by galaxy. Just couldne get into it. i've got about 30 stars so you cant say i didnt give it a try just didnt seem as coherent to me. I REALLY liked sunshine's actual locations to galaxy's space nothingness. Just doesnt wash with me. And i miss a camera i can control, the most annoying game feature i've experienced since tombraider instant deaths is the funky camera in galaxy.
As for R&C, i've just finished the PS3 game in the last week. Much more enjoyable i found. BUT i will say it didnt do anything inventive bar the disco ball. But sometimes i quie like same old.
Oh and ratchet and clank is BIG in Japan, one of the bigger franchises there for sony, so i cant imagine someone not nothicing it unless they were quite ignorant, and if The M Man didnt notice it, surely the hundreads to thousands of people in his teams might have noticed it.
I always thought that Mario Galaxy was a bit like the Space Levels in Sonic Adventure 2, anyone remember the last level in sonic where you spent half your time upside down and looking for the next leaver to pull you somewhere else and Rouges last level where you had to look for emeralds on all those planets and some of them you could go upside down on!
Edit: Sorry I know this has already been touched on!
hahahaha this goes down as one of the funniest topics ever. the sheer amount of nintendo fanboys is hilarious. one guy said "ratchet&clank is a poor mans jak and daxter" thats plain stupid, when considering the games cost the same amount to buy! and ratcht and clank1 cost more to make the jak and daxter 1
obviously miyamoto has heard of R&C he's just saying that so that it sounds like he didnt use the idea. and it wasnt insomniac hu said miyamoto copied the idea, it was a magazine, and all insomniac did was say the were flattered that he did.
there is nothing wrong with getting inspiration from a game. this site is one of the funniest ive ever seen with fanboys everywhere, its bllody brilliant!
hahahaha this goes down as one of the funniest topics ever. the sheer amount of nintendo fanboys is hilarious. one guy said "ratchet&clank is a poor mans jak and daxter" thats plain stupid, when considering the games cost the same amount to buy! and ratcht and clank1 cost more to make the jak and daxter 1
obviously miyamoto has heard of R&C he's just saying that so that it sounds like he didnt use the idea. and it wasnt insomniac hu said miyamoto copied the idea, it was a magazine, and all insomniac did was say the were flattered that he did.
there is nothing wrong with getting inspiration from a game. this site is one of the funniest ive ever seen with fanboys everywhere, its bllody brilliant!
Foolish comments at best!!
If we are being picky then R&C is poor version of Mario 64. Lets face it without that game, 3D platformers might have never happened, or been very different.
I had the first Ratchet and Clank on the PS2, didn't like it at all, I did however enjoy Jak and Daxter. However neither of these games compare to Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy.
As for Ratchet on the PS3, nothing has really changed, it plays the same as previous games and it gets boring very fast.
I would have to back Mario Galaxy as the best current platformer.
Some of you guys make me laugh If this was the other way round then Insomniac would get stick for stating they never had knowledge of galaxy. What a funny world we all live in. I love mario more than any other platformer.Hey galaxy is the best of all time. But a company is allowed to say the thrown a few inspiring ideas out thats what these guys do.End of story.
unfortunately, i dont have the time or inclination to put quotes around every sentence of your post and reply in turn to each one.
i'm sorry if i misled you. but my opinion is only my opinion. i wasnt arguing that mario is a poor game, indeed it is not. i was arguing it lacked any originality. and yes i had thought of alot of gravity based gameplay of my own accord, and nothing in mario stands out as particularly genre breaking.
in terms of same-ey, i meant presentation/storyline/'things to grab you and pull you in'.
ratchet has a very nice presentation and story telling method. it is also one of the few genuinely funny games.
just because mario is unoriginal, doesnt mean it isnt fun.
oh, those sonic levels ARE well designed, and i think whoever said sonic was clumsy probably had the pad upside down.
p.s. - by first level in sonic 2, i meand sonic 2 on the megadrive. i have perfected that level (20 seconds!)
ok well we have two scenarios here. A) Miyamoto has never heard of ratchet and clank, in which case he sucks at his job as being such an influential figure, it is his responsibility to know the industry. B) Miyamoto Lied, in which case, he loses respect points for being dishonest and also means he has something to hide which suggests that he did copy his ideas from it or he is just being pigheaded.
either case, he should be ashamed of himself. I don't have much respect for that man these days.
as for mario galaxy. I really want to challenge all those people who say this game is perfect. you can finish this game by missing out entire levels. this means that the levels are not important. this makes me feel the game unimportant. since I realised I could miss entire levels out, I realised the levels were not important and I lost all interest in playing the game. I would say thats far from perfect, In fact I would say that is absolutely awful. not that the game doesn't have any redeeming points. a lot of it is very nice. but there are far too many issues with it. I'll point out some more. a water level. why oh why did they feel the need to add in a complimentary water level. it destroys teh game world. this is supposed to be in space. yet there is a pool with water and an atmosphere. it takes away from the sapce atmosphere and destroys the foundations of the world. I am talking about suspension of belief. if your're not familiar with that concept, look it up, don't waste our time. the last thing I'll mention is a thing of game mechanics. teh orientation of teh camera at many occasions makes it very difficult to judge jumps. trying to jump on an enemy has all too often resuklted in me landing next to it and getting hit. only 3 lives.. bad idea. especially with that dodgy game mechanic.
there are lots of things wrong with that game. it is only marginally better than mario sunshine. certainly not anywhere near as good as mario 64.
as for ratchet and clank, I always found them mediocre anyway.
Playing on different sides around a sphere? The old QBert remake on the PSX did that (on a cube) back in 1999. Hardly an original idea, but implemented really well in Galaxy.
hi i would just like to say your all wrong i have all the consoles ever released (even the fossill5000 that was realised to the dinosaur gaming community back in 12BC) so i cannot be a fanboy so there.
PS nintendo rule sony and microsoft are crap because...erm...because they make stupid expensive consoles..with...erm...normal, intuitive controls! LONG LIVE THE WAND!
Both SMG and R&C are brilliant games, the idea of gravity-centric gameplay is hardly unimaginable, I wouldn't be surprised if many companies have come up with the idea. R&C is a totally different type of platformer though, comparing the two isn't really fair, SMG's a pure platformer whereas R&C's is largely based around weapons and gadgets too. Insomniac were pretty arrogant, and Miyamoto having not heard of a commercially and critically successful game is pretty ignorant and shows how little he understands the industry. Both are at fault.
If he really didn't hear about the game, he'd go "Oh, Ratchet and Clank... yeah. No, it isn't influenced by it, it's er.... different in some ways as you can see."
By saying "Is it a PC game?", he sounds more like he's making it up, and that he actually did hear about it. However, I still don't think Nintendo took the idea from Insomniac. Both games came out at about the same time.
Why are people getting upset over this? Does it really matter if Miyamoto hasn't heard of R&C? Ever thought that maybe its just not that popular in Japan?
This thing does smell a bit like Insomniac digging for a bit of publicity or maybe taking a cheap shot since the 'world mechanic' was shown in Mario 128 years ago but does that matter? R&C and Mario Galaxy are very different games anyway so any comparison is pretty pointless.
I think that as a games developer and no doubt gamer he should have played Insomniac's excellent series or at least heard of it. Ratcht and Clank is popular everywhere (in Japan there was even a short comic of it) and not even hearing of it says a lot about his interest in the gaming world.
It is the equivelant of not hearing of Crash Bandicoot, Gears of War, Spyro, or Conker (N64). All excellent games on par with, or as famous as R&C
Guys, the thing is, Miyamoto has said in previous interviews in the past when he's been asked stuff like "what other games influence you" that he doesn't really have time to play other peoples' games and that his ideas come from his own personal experiences.
Bear in mind that Ratchet & Clank didn't exactly set Japan on fire, so considering Miyamoto doesn't really play other games it's perfectly possible that he hadn't heard of it. And considering that PC gaming in Japan is barely acknowledged, it's understandable that Miyamoto might have thought "I've never heard of that game but I know PC gaming is huge in the west so maybe it's a PC game".
All I'm saying is it's perfectly possible that he's not heard of the game, since he never claimed to be a hardcore gamer: all he does is come up with ideas for new games. He has no need to analyse the games industry or observe other games on the market: he does things his own way. It doesn't mean he "sucks at his job" as someone put it, it means he concentrates on his own projects and doesn't bother trying to out-do the competition.
its only two games. R&C owes nothing to any mario game.
Apart from the fact that Mario 64 invented the 3d platforming genre?
I think you'll find that was tombraider.
I think you will find that you are wrong.
Tomb Raider: November 1996
Super Mario 64: June 1996
Aw beat me too it. Thanks Biggwedge.
No offence lmaolmao, but im lmao. I thought everyone knew Mario 64 revolutionised the platform genre. I think your kudo score has just dropped a few points.
i dont know why your lmao, i can only assume your playing some hilariously poor game (like halo).
i still dont believe r&c owes anything to mario64. mario may have introduced large worlds, but it was hardly the first platformer with 3d space.
and how about the whole galaxy thing, now that IS a huge coincidence! if youve played the r&c games, you will have seen it. also the bits where the game has you zooming past camera while the next planet is loaded, thats indeed very similar to the way galaxy propels you from one planet to another!
i guess galaxy is essentially r&c1, but without the guns! well, either miyamoto is 2 steps behind insomniac or he's copying them.
I haven't played any Ratchet and Clank game as I have an (arguably unfair) suspicion of the quality any game that has strong sci-fi themes. I like it if it's done in a tongue in cheek 50s B-Movie way but so many seem to concoct a very uninteresting plot about some evil alien race. Despite some cliches, the fantastic Beyond Good and evil changed my mind but mainly because it represented a 'retro' version of the future, like from the mind of Jules Verne. With the racing and the wacky characters, it reminded me of Star Wars: Episode 1 as well.
As for Miyamoto, the man is very talented and prolific (although, for me, he didn't really reach his stride until Super Mario World), and he arguably invented the platform game but it is incredibly wrong to think that every feature of note ever featured in a platform game is as a result of him. What the heck did Miyamoto have to do with games like Monty on the run, Manic Miner, the Dizzy series, the Rick Dangerous series, Rainbows Islands, New Zealand Story, Superfrog, the Megadrive Disney games, the work of the Bitmap Brothers and Jet Set Radio Future? Other designers VERY quickly created their own distinct platform games, usually with more humour than Miyamoto's games.
Remember, too, that Miyamoto became annoyed when Nintendo asked him to make Yoshi's Island on the SNES more like Donkey Kong Country. Now, you may say he responded well by creating a distinctive looking, pastel coloured game instead but was there any need for him to accuse Rare of making a pretty but shallow game? Well how shallow is jumping over a few barrels to rescue a girl from an ape on a single screen then, surely a homage to King Kong?
I never got far on Mario 64- it's too difficult to control and too un compromising although I can clearly see that it is a work of greatness. However- for me, Rare matched Miyamoto pound for pound with Banjo Kazooie. Donkey Kong 64 involves too much collecting for its own good but it's still a great epic game to stick your teeth into which is very similar to Banjo. I regret that Conker 64: Twelve Tales didn't see the light of day (in fact if you look at some screenshots they look very similar to Super Mario Sunshine).
Miyamoto's guidance on Metroid Prime worked wonders, SMS was a relative let down but Luigi's Mansion was a small little gem. Super Mario Galaxy looks great, though not revolutionary- there is something Sega, especially 'Sonic Adventure' about the game- as for the water level seeming incoherent with space, it's not meant to be entirely coherent- mushrooms don't come out of bricks if you hit the underside of them you know! Miyamoto can tell a good old fashioned adventure but he likes a bit of surrealism too.
Ok i accept the conculsion that he has not heard anybody talk of this game in his workplace, he has not seen any games magazines featuring said game. he has not seen billboards/ads/tv ads about this game. he has not been in any game shops...i could go on
and lets not forget this is a sequel so all the above statement rings true for every game in the series.
rubbish! even if its not a great seller in japan he'd have to live in a nuclear bomb shelter not to know!
Just got Galaxy as an early Christmas present. Trying to STOP myself playing it at the moment so I can finish Metroid Prime! After a few barren months there's some decent games out there now for Wii.
Never played R&C, but if it's as good a game as Galaxy seems to be (about 2 hours in) then Sony have clearly got a great title there too.
I would say that Galaxy seems to be inventive, fun and clever - but not especially 'groundbreaking' with the wow factor of M64 all those years ago.
ok well we have two scenarios here. A) Miyamoto has never heard of ratchet and clank, in which case he sucks at his job as being such an influential figure, it is his responsibility to know the industry.
I disagree. I think the real artists don't give a crap about what's going on around them and just do their own thing. He's certainly eccentric enough...
This thread is insane, so many fanboys and angry "my game is better than yours" replies
I consider myself a very level headed gamer, my top games in NO order of preference:
- Mario Galaxy - Maro 64 - Half Life - Half Life 2, inc ep1, ep2 - Pretty much every Zelda, ignoring Majora's Mask (Very hard to get into) - The Dizzy games (cute wee egghead)... - Unreal Tournament, the original - Quake 3 - Sim City 3000 - CJ's elephent, both games
A few games I should love but just seem to get bored with, and therefore, I consider to be poor games:
- Any GTA - Metroid Prime...(any of them)
Anyway, so far, nothing comes close to Mario Galaxy in terms of innovation and good old fashioned fun. It is as near a perfect game as I have ever played, and whilst I don't care if you agree or not, its my opinion. My second fave Mario Game, Super Mario World - absolutely flawless 2d platforiming.
its only two games. R&C owes nothing to any mario game.
Apart from the fact that Mario 64 invented the 3d platforming genre?
I think you'll find that was tombraider.
I think you will find that you are wrong.
Tomb Raider: November 1996
Super Mario 64: June 1996
In which case you are suggesting Tomb Raider took aobut 5 months to produce, surely they would have been started around the same time, and if not, not enough time to have a difference on each game.
And people only go on about Mario now because he refuses to die, ocming out with endless crappy party games, and only a good game every 5 years really, and that if if you like Galaxy. I like it but it is nothing special.
If R&C is going on in 10 years time people will be talking about it, insomniac though will come up with better ideas, much like Nintendo did with Zelda but didn't realise it....
Not much new can be done in games now really, there is already 3D and great graphics. If Mario 64 was not seen as the original 3D game it would not be half as famous.
My personal favourite games: -Monkey Island series (and of them, but especially Curse) -Sonic 2 (or any MegaDrive/ Master System one is good) -Crash Bandicoot 1 and CTR -Jack and Daxter: The Precursor egacy (the best in a great series) -Ratcht and Clank (the series in general is awesome) -Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (by far the best Zelda and this is far better than Mario) -Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare -Medal of Honor: Heroes (offline is crap but i love th online, or used to when the best played and there were no cheaters) -Any pokémon game on the handhelds
Games i am looking forward to: -Zack and Wiki -Haze -Unreal Tournament 3 -Killzone 2 -LittleBigPlanet -Civilization 5
and the few i am getting around Xmas (Uncharted, R&C, Assassins Creed, Super Paper Mario) and many more...
I say this so you can see my gaming tastes. --------------
I understand why some people like Galzy, but R&C is very good too and has a lot of publicity. That such an influencial gaming figure has not heard of this game ays a lot about him.
And also i'd like to remind you all Insomniac just replied to the question, it did not ask it.
obviously he has heard of ratchet and clank and basically because they were trying to say he copied r+c he put them in there place by saying r+c? wats that is it a pc game?
which really means, who the f**k do u think u are u piece of s**t i am mr m dont go associating your turd with my masterpieces
If Mario 64 was not seen as the original 3D game it would not be half as famous.
You mean like Ratchet and Clank?
Some pretty obvious logic you have applied there, which pretty much applies to a lot of genre defining/busting games. FF7, Wolfenstein, Doom, Super Mario Bros, Street Fighter and so on.
However, the bottom line is Mario 64 is the original 3d platformer and thanks to its release on the VC, I can say its still better than most 3d platformers around today.
I imagine it would still be just as famous due to the playable nature of the game itself. I dont think we can say if it wasnt the original it wouldnt be half as famous, because most of the titles that came after it wouldnt be what they were withought Mario 64.
Would be fantastic to see Mario 64 redone with the graphics of Galaxy with new Wii controls. I bet it would sell bucketloads of priced correctly.
Would be fantastic to see Mario 64 redone with the graphics of Galaxy with new Wii controls. I bet it would sell bucketloads of priced correctly.
Gary.
That would be great. The only real complaint I have with 64 now is the same complaint I had when it first came out, the camera.
But I doubt it will ever happen as they released another version on the DS, and I cant see them replicating the same game 3 times.
Personally I love the camera, it has a lot more freedom and the scale of the levels means that there is little chance of it getting stuck behind a wall.
Only bettered by the one in Wind Waker, that one is flawless.
Guys, stop the Nintendo fanboy attitude. Galaxy is a great game. A very cool platformer. But its not the greatest game ever made. And neither is R&C. They are both great platforms with different strenghts and weaknesses. I hate people living in a bubble. And miya not heard of R&C? Yeah right, who do you think you are kidding!?
I'm a pc gamer and a 360 owner, i havent used my wii since i finshed res4 and zelda but mario is incredable easily the best game i have ever played.
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