Gordon Brown has called on games developers to stop putting knives into the hands of lead characters.
The prime minister was speaking in an interview with The Sun regarding his government's policies on knife crime. He raised the subject of videogames as a cause for concern and highlighted the use of knives in violent games as particularly troublesome.
"I am very worried about video and computer games", Brown said. "No one wants censorship or an interfering State... But the industry has some responsibility to society and needs to exercise that."
Last September, the PM announced his government's intention to take a strong line against violent games amidst concerns voiced by parents over the effects that they have on children.
Jesus christ, what next? So when i'm playing CoD4 what's the trained SAS or Marine im playing as supposed to do up close? Slap them round the face!
The witchunt on games is getting out of control, leading games companies need to come out and publicly defend content of their games in unison. I don't mind violence in games, so long as it is in the context of the game but then again I actually play games, maybe Mr Brown should get his ass onto CoD4 so I get frag him! nOOb!
You're out of touch Mr Brown. Do not comment on things you do not understand. Go and PLAY some games and see if you get genuine psycotic urges afterwards.
Looks forward to the next "Cooking Mama" were all the food can be eaten (or prepared) with just a fork... in case the mere suggestion that you might need a knife to prepare ingredients or eat the finish product might damage our "fragile little minds"
Maybe if theie was more emphasis placed on parents paying attention to age ratings on games and not buying little Johnny "Extreme Torture 34" for his seventh birthday.
AWwww just f**k off you fat c**t and go and something about sorting out the parents of these f**king retards. It's the parents who are at fault here, am i the only one who can see that!!!???
"No one wants censorship or an interfering State... But I'm interfering with censorship.
Exactly! He doesn't strike me as the kind of man to have ever played any type of videogame in his life, so I guess this is a case of one more person buying into the whole violent videogame stigma, which we all know is crapola. Anyway, I played Assassins Creed last night, so I'm off to do some free running for a while. Never done it before, but hey, if a game character can do it, why can't I?
Gordan Brown is a n00b head I have been playing games for years and I haven't been encouraged to go out and shoot, stab or blow up people. Apart from the small urge to kill my neighbour now and then. This whole video game witch hunt is getting out of control.
"No one wants censorship or an interfering State... But I'm interfering with censorship.
Exactly! He doesn't strike me as the kind of man to have ever played any type of videogame in his life, so I guess this is a case of one more person buying into the whole violent videogame stigma, which we all know is crapola. Anyway, I played Assassins Creed last night, so I'm off to do some free running for a while. Never done it before, but hey, if a game character can do it, why can't I?
And it looks a peice of p**s in the game, just run straight at an obstacle and whoosh, you just run straight up.
This coming from a man who wasnt even elected as pm, the old argument is, lets takes knives out of movies,tv shows, books ect Ive been playing games since the spectrum days and have never felt the need to pick up a knife,gun or weapon and kill someone. Gordon wake up and f**k off.
we need a web site or something so this t**t can see what we all think. he is digging at straws and would have to cut all violence out of films etc. and what about that bloody chef jamie oliver and his collection. no knives on tv then gordon.
Why doesn't he wait until he gets the results from this review that he set up before making such unsubstantiated claims? Maybe today he just thought he'd wing it?
I'm already used to this kind of crap, living in Germany for the past 1 1/2 years though and its far far worse here, but I don't like the thought of the UK going the same way, where could I get my "uncut" games then?
I call on the politicians of the world to remove knives from the hands of soldiers in Iraq. They have a responsibility to us, to protect our tragic little minds from the thought of butchered humans. Blowing them to pieces with an RPG however, I deem acceptable
ban knives huh. right then, lets see him lead by example and give up his favourite steak knives, or kitchen block set for a start. people are not lured into killing people because of films, games or anything else other than the fact society is a big heap of sh*t at the moment. america and the uk have silly amounts of knife and gun crime because of the mess of the countries which has been caused by the governments in the first place. look at austria or switzerland, have they got these problems? no, reason being their governments have been tough on this kind of thing forever and dont take any of EU's s**t. how about you ban the motor vehicle or cigarettes altogther, the UKs biggest killers. you wont as you wont get your billions of tax from them then will you. not that i want cars banned, far from it. i was making a point about tax lol. he should just tax computer games, guarentee if he did he would leave them alone
I reckon the excuse that will be used for not banning knives in other forms of entertainment would be that they aren't interactive and controlled by the viewer. I believe some studies have shown this doesn't increase the desire to imitate the act in real life any more than watching it on tv etc though.
Its just the usual politicians ASSuming they know best again.
Lets just ban Knives completely, in movies, books comics, newspapers etc. In fact why stop there, lets ban the owning of knives, or anything that might be used as a cutting instrument, including paper! lets ban the talking about knives, as that might make someone think about using one.
or maybe we can just tackle the real problems Gorden and stop looking for scape goats and easy ways to avoid doing our jobs, heh?
i'm sure some people i.e losers who carry knives around cus they think there real gangsters with them should be shown the firm arm of the jail system other than ruin any sort of action game in the future, the idiot who runs this country is a total nutjob....
i think this has already been mentioned but solider without knives, arm them with a wooden spoon for cqc then, but outlawing knives in games is surely a step to far, anyways half the people he's on about spend 23 hours aday camped outside local tesco expresses buging old ladies to be even botherd with games,
my honourable idoit, your persecuting the wrong crowd here also i don't think he'll aprove of turok then
take knifes out of games, how about taking the corruption, incompetence and arrogance out of government first? how about treating the general public with a bit of respect and giving us a vote on the EU constitution, or having ministers take responsibility for their actions for once instead of clinging on to their jobs even when the police are banging on the door....no then p**s off.
How about spending our tax money on more police on our streets, more stop and searches and some real punishment for the carrying or using of knives on our streets?
New Labour, "soft on crime, soft on the causes of crime"
Cor, what a t**t. How the hell is that t**t gonna run the t**tting country when it's clear that he doesn't have a t**tting clue about the causes of t**tting (knife) crime, and is instead going for a t**tting scapegoat that has been pushed into the t**tting limelight by the t**tting internet-fearing gutter press?
How the t**tting hell are we supposed to have a t**tting intelligent t**tting mature t**tting conversation on the effect of violence in the media when t**t-face keeps coming out with crap like that?
I tell you what, for every game that comes out that's had a knife removed because of anything that c**tface there says, I'll stab some t**t myself.
That way, there will have been more stabbings caused by taking them out than there ever will have been by leaving them in.
(That's irony, t**ts. Don't go running to the t**tting police telling them you've got t**tting evidence of a crime that's being cooked up.)
Just like Rock n roll was the devils work in the 50's & violent movies in the 70-80's now its the turn of Videogames to be demonized & to have the blame for all the social problems & crime blamed on them.
Mr Brown please shut the f**k up you stupid n00b.
I have played games since I was 5 years old & never once have I been stupid enough to try something in real life that I saw or did in a game, maybe its because I like many others are a well adjusted individual who enjoys an escape from the crap that is real life into a virtual world where I can do these things & others are crazed druggies & psycho's
Mr Brown is out of touch its not his fault he just sees loads of crime figures and then gets shown a violent video game and puts 2 and 2 together and makes six I am sure any fifty something bloke would come to the same conclusion!
Perhaps gamers should write into No10 and voice their opinions on the matter!
Its a shame that the loudest voices in this matter are the ones doing the witch hunt so go on it doesn't hurt!
Well more fool me. Be the las time I show faith to the government. When I last heard this pillock was going to be assessing the game indutry 'but didnt want to censor games'I believed him & applauded the thought of him taking a mature & reasonable stance. Then i find out about this.
Tell me Mr Brown did you get whiplash from switching your views so fast you plank. This will be the last time I show the government any respect.
AWwww just f**k off you fat c**t and go and something about sorting out the parents of these f**king retards. It's the parents who are at fault here, am i the only one who can see that!!!???
No dude, we can all see too.
Idiots who 'run' this country like Brown really have no idea. Labour have messed up loads as it is and should concentrate on fixing those problems. I've said this before and we all know it: the country has a drinking problem. So what do they do? Extend the licencing hours. Too many people come into the UK? Send them back? NOOOO! Keep them here!
These are serious issue too. But its one the government can make money from. They can't from games so its easy to just to blame the games.
Why don't they have a law that actually keeps criminals locked up instead of letting them out early? Its all the scrotes and chavs that are bringing this country down and the parents of these retards. People who say foreigners are stupid even though they can speak more languages than said chav. People who say Chinese films are crap cos you gotta read subtitles. These are the dumb f***s who are bringing the country down. Not videogames companies.
I just don't see the logic in these stupid statements. People deemed 'smart' enough to run the country. My bottom...
Also could the lead characters in action movies stop using any sort of weapons, didnt frodo carry a knife/dagger in lotr?. Peter Pan fought with swords, Narnia children wielded swords.
To quote aliens " what are we meant to use harsh language?"
Another day, another load of b******s about violent videogames turnin us all into killers or nutcases! I just played San Andreas, I jumped from a bridge and survived! hmm If CJ can survive then why I cant I? oh and then I performed a stealth kill on a guard, I can do that too right I'm off to my local supermarket to try a stealth kill on a security guard Gordon Brown needs to wake up and tackle the real reasons for why knife crime exists! and leave the games industry alone! It really p**ses me off, I've played a lot of videogames that could be deemed violent and have not once had the urge to go out and kill someone so this is just another bulls**t witch hunt designed to create a scapegoat for a problem that the government cannot be bothered to deal with.
all games that are violent manhunt etc.. have age restrictions of 18-21, then if a shop keeper sells these games or a parent is found buying them for there underage kids they get a nice fine
also zero tolerance for knive crime in a couple big citys in england???? how about zero tolerance full stop everywhere, sum1 got stabbed in my little town in a phone box other day
bring back the death sentance and get rid of that political correctness /human rights b******s, you kill someone on purpose for no decent reason then u die simple
I actually do see where he's coming from. Knife crime is unbelievably high in the UK. An outright ban would be a bit much but perhaps knife based games should get high ratings.
Oh, and his party was voted into power and not him himself. This has always been the way. Even i know that and i'm not English.....
Winston Churchill wasn't voted into power either of course; but had there not been a war on it's arguable if he would have been any good as a peace-time leader.
It's under heavy dispute wether a party should be permitted to select the leader of a nation(which makes every leader an unelected one). Elections are won on the personalities of a party's figureheads. So selling the public one and giving them another is seen as very bad form because if the reverse were to happen: an MP for a certain party crosses the floor the moment they win, making it obvious they always intended to do so, it would be investigated as electoral fraud because the number of entrenched tribal voters means there is no chance of them being elected had they not misrepresented their alligence. If an MP is implicated in a plot to put a party in power by deliberately standing for their enemy and switching sides, they're guilty of high crimes and fraud and will be stripped of their job and their new party will proberley then be investigated too.
This by the way, is why we have the electoral college system instead of the supposedly 'fairer' proportional representation(favoured by the Lib Dems, who would benefit massively from it: their grass-root tactics expose what thugs they are).
I expect Dr Bryon's report will be buried once it delivers the accurate and non-scaremongering information that I expect it will. There will be just too much egg on the faces of the idiotic politicians and journalists.
what a complete noob, what's next no guns in fps games? why is violence seen as bad in a video game, but ok in a film. it's also ok for our government to bomb the crap out of people in the middle east, but we're not allowed to kill in something unreal like video games! get real mr brown, and get the bbfc to pass manhunt 2. i wanna stab people with my wiimote, but not with a knife for real. maybe if kids could play out violence in a game, it would release their need to really do it. it's a kinda stress therapy.
As a parent and gamer myself I couldn't agree more with the postings stating that parents should take responsibility for what their children play. My children can't buy any games unless I am with them and I vet all the games. I take being informed seriously but when I know nothing about the game then I rely on the rating. After all, we have a perfectly good ratings system (as far as the politicians are concerned) for film which allows knives and other violent / sexual / grotesque imagery to be displayed in the cinema, tv. etc. for the appropriate audience and this should be enforced by parents and by shops. Basically, the parents that are calling for this can't be bothered to see what the game they have just bought the kids actually involves. After all, it's just a game isn't it.....
Assassins creeds would be awesome without knives(Y) Could ya imagine red steel? I dislike this PM ...... dislike being a weakened version of my original thought....
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
Oh and I'm made of f**king asbestos ... flame away coz I'm done.
Gordy is talking perfect sense in my opinion. If you take knives out of games, Capcom would have to give you more ammo in Resident Evil making my life easier.
Jeez, that Jack the Ripper dude must of played a lot of games to go as knife happy as was.
Yet again a medium being blamed for the Governments inability to tackle crime. In the 80s and early 90s it was the video nasty, today video games are at fault.
The reality is that there is no punishment in this country, sod ASBOs and Community Service they don't work. What we need is for prison to be a punishment rather than the home away from home holiday camp it's become. Butlins has struggled in recent years, not because everyone goes abroad, more so because all the cheap skates get themselves locked up so they get their holiday for free.
I can foresee this as bad news for gamers in the UK, but I can't see it changing our society. If people are going to carry knives, they will carry them. I bet half the people out there carrying knives are too busy robbing cars, old ladies and corner shops to have ever played a video game anyway.
Alternatively, Mr. Brown, you could just enforce the age ratings on games boxes, or actually try to prevent knife crime at its source. But that's too much effort, isn't it?
I'm sure it's the PM's prerogative to talk about all aspects of British life but I'd rather he concentrated on the main issues like; immigration, border control, all the problems with the NHS, Police pay issues, the EU and Human Rights mess plus the fact that ministers can vote their own pay rises, rather than something as pathetically trivial as this.
not been bothered to read all the posts (so stab me if im repeating anything )
it seems to me that the people most qualified to have an opinion on violence in a video game are the ones who dont play them (i.e super interfering nazi police state, and Daily Mail readers )
mebbe mr brown should go and interfere in something else.... like his own government perhaps
if he is restricting his comment to just main characters/box art work/adverts then i think he is right... it looks cool as f**k when a character is clutching a knife, all a mental retard needs to start carrying. and the next step is plugging some unfortunate bugger. obviously normal people wont be any more inclined to start cutting people cause a game, and knives can stay in games for function but its not required for the front of the case is it?
If a psycho is going to go out and stab someone with a knife just beacuse he saw the front cover of a videogame then I'd argue that person is probably going to kill someone one day anyway. What happens when said psycho plays the actual game? Or watches a horror film? or looks on the internet? It's completely ludicrous to suggest this would have any impact on knife crime.
The real way to reduce knife crime is to tackle the "gang culture" and put more police on the streets. And maybe try tackling the underlying causes of crime instead of blaming videogames.
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
No Gordon Brown is talking about a medium he knows nothing about. It's like me telling Gordon how to play Mahjong even thought I know thing about it and pretending to be an expert on the matter.
The Government need a scapegoat for the high crime on our streets, it has nothing to do with video games, they just need something to blame other than their own ineptitude and that is what is annoying people here. So no I don't believe anyone here are acting like children.
If the government would use the police properly i.e not have them standing on street corners or hiding in bushes with speed guns then the police could do what i pay my tax for.....that strange thing called " fighting crime"
So I wonder what game MP Stephen Milligan was playing before he decided to masturbate himself to death wearing a choke while sucking on an acid laced orange.
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
No Gordon Brown is talking about a medium he knows nothing about. It's like me telling Gordon how to play Mahjong even thought I know thing about it and pretending to be an expert on the matter.
The Government need a scapegoat for the high crime on our streets, it has nothing to do with video games, they just need something to blame other than their own ineptitude and that is what is annoying people here. So no I don't believe anyone here are acting like children.
Manhunt has been around for around 4 years now, I don't really remember a PM coming out and saying ban knives from games then, and this isnt just a rant it's people venting frustration at the governments inability to deal with the real issues in Britain and it's leniant stance on knife crime. I have never known anyone to think a main character in a game holding a knife looks 'cool' as someone said it did earlier or a gun for that matter. The point is you can't blame one medium of entertainment over another for crime on our street. christ i watched hostel part 2 a couple of nights ago and even I thought it was way way over the top. How that is deemed as acceptable when games arnt is beyond me!
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
No Gordon Brown is talking about a medium he knows nothing about. It's like me telling Gordon how to play Mahjong even thought I know thing about it and pretending to be an expert on the matter.
The Government need a scapegoat for the high crime on our streets, it has nothing to do with video games, they just need something to blame other than their own ineptitude and that is what is annoying people here. So no I don't believe anyone here are acting like children.
Manhunt has been around for around 4 years now, I don't really remember a PM coming out and saying ban knives from games then, and this isnt just a rant it's people venting frustration at the governments inability to deal with the real issues in Britain and it's leniant stance on knife crime. I have never known anyone to think a main character in a game holding a knife looks 'cool' as someone said it did earlier or a gun for that matter. The point is you can't blame one medium of entertainment over another for crime on our street. Jamie bludger wasnt killed because his abductees played GTA, they watched a film and re-inacted that! christ i watched hostel part 2 a couple of nights ago and even I thought it was way way over the top. How that is deemed as acceptable when games arnt is beyond me!
"Jamie bludger wasnt killed because his abductees played GTA, they watched a film and re-inacted that!"
You idiot. You just blamed another form of media for violence yourself. They did not mimic a scene from any films. Having seen the films in question myself there is no resembalance. Oh, and Childs Play 3 did not have a scene were they forced batteries into a boys mouth and molested him. Real life will forever be much more horrofic than any form of media.
Hmmm, Ok I'm going slightly off topic for a moment but... am I the only one who thinks Mr Brown has no idea what he's doing at all, kinda like Mclaren taking over from Ericsson? Blair lowered the classification of weed (which had been moaned about for ages) to allow police to spend more time on hard drugs, violence etc and within the last week Mr Brown puts it back where it was!! I agree with parents being the problem but not just in ignoring the ratings, the PC brigade screwed up when they removed all the power a parent had- 15 years ago being grounded meant you had nowt to do, now kids just sit in and watch tv in their room, and they learn no lesson when they do wrong because smacking them's abuse (hang on, maybe I should sue my folks!) The Government in the past 10 years have made it soooo easy for kids to get away with murder (literally!) that they are now using games as the scapegoat to cover up their shortcomings. Mr Brown should watch currenttv (on sky somewhere) as there was a very interesting doc about knife crime and culture in which most of the kids interviewed were planning or looking forward to stabbing someone that weekend, oddly enough very few of them, if any, owned a console or would ever be indoors to play it!
The problem is that video games are still widely persieved as a children's past time but in fact there is more adults playing video games. This in turn means most parents think all games are fine for their children to play and are not clued up on the actual content of most games even with ratings slapped on them.
Removing knifes from games, toning down violence and smacking a higher age rating on games isnt going to make any difference.
Tighter controls by parents on what their children play is needed but until the government and society as a whole realise that the games industry has changed massively since they were children and that it is now a medium for all ages, video games will remain to be a scapegoat.
I know a family friend who lets their 10yo play nearly any rated video game, its because shes in that mind-set as stated above and doesnt realise whats in the games.
This is where it needs to start and once the mind-set has changed people will start to realise that gamers dont get brain washed or have a sudden urge to kill, they just want to play games and have fun.
Whats most annoying is that its all under the banner of 'protecting the children' and then they quote games that are M rated. So all it needs is to educate the incredibly stupid parents that think its ok to give a 10yo GTA. Politicians seem to think they can use an attack on gaming as a banner for showing how 'decent' they are. Unfortunately they havent yet learnt that the highest age bracket of gamers is now 18-35 ( ie: legal voters ) and not like it was back in the 80's when gaming was for kids.
They really need to understand that Gamers are now a very big, and potentially very powerful voting block. Not little kids playing Mario Kart ( best game ever by the way hehe) .
Mr Brown, yes you are correct lets ban all knives in video games, and then watch the statistics for people attacked with knives increase, since there will now be more nutters on the streets not able do satisfy their psychotic gravings on the virtual plane...great plan Brown....really great.
It needs all three console Developers Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo as well as Publishers to make a stand, will they do this i highly doubt it, as long as the revenue is still going their way they couldn't care less what happens to the games, the only way would be for us gamers to not buy games until they sorted it out but again can you see gamers doing that, it's a no win situation.
At the end of the day we're dealing with a Government who can't resist a quick fix. Let's face it, ASBO's were touted to be the solution to all 'anti-social behaviour' and they've done nothing of the sort. These days there's kids out there that are proud of the fact they've got one.
We need some bloody common sense back in Government. God only knows where it'll come from though.
this is very very stupid, but i supose its common for govonments to just blame what is easiest to blame, i think bad things happen from bad upbringing not violent exposure. for example i have watched and played violent games and movies my whole life. . . WHOLE LIFE!!!! and i know the differance between right and wrong i know it is quite wrong to stab somone or shoot ect. so if this govonment does ban all violence in this country maybe they will see that a kid will still go and be a chav and drink and do drugs and eventualy kill themseves or somone else, that its no doubt the parents fault. . . not the game devs. i was under the inpresion that violent games came with 18 cert on them, but kids still play and thats not the devs fault for puting the game out there its the shop who sells it to kids or parents who buy them for their kids.
and i would also like to say a young person siting at home playing GTA is at home playing GTA not out breaking into cars, if games like that get baned i can see what would happen.
"so. . .. wana play GTA for real since the new one is baned?"
i just had christmas at my girlfriends house, her stepbrother's 6 year old was playing gta on his psp. i left my keys on the coffee table and left the room, when i returned and looked outside, my car was still there and so was the kid, totally absorbed with his psp. if you took a look at some of his presents, there was a cap gun, a water pistol, a commando toy set, with its very own plastic knife. im glad to say he didnt rush about with the plastic knife for 5 minutes before sprinting to the kitchen to grab the butchers knife before heading to next door to carve up the neighbours. so what does that brown intend to do, take away ALL of kids toys. how about little plastic kitchens that girls play with, how about stripping them of their plastic cooking knives. like everyones been saying, toys and games arent to blame, when our grandparents were kids they all ran around with sticks pretending they were guns, knives, samurai swords n what not and there wasnt a problem back then. labour has f***ed this country up. they are too slack on crime of all sorts. someone has already said prisons are like holiday camps, not really punishment at all. i have an idea that would save this government billions on prisons, and allow thousands more cells to be incorporated into existing prisons. for prisons to be cheaper and a deterrent, how about every single prisoner is solitary confined, a tiny box room, no luxuries, nothing. feed them worse food and actually make prison something noone would want to go to. this would eliminate the "prison is easy / cool " attitude and may pursuade people to be good little humans instead of the c*nts that a lot have become.
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
how can you make the asumption that i or anyone else here isnt mature? you cant just say because we think its not an artists fault if someone uses violence to express themselves that we arnt mature! and as for your comment, violence has been in our lives for years. I'm not talking about the cartoon violence, i mean the wars on the news, the movies in the cinemas. the differance is, that people dont respect the 18cert on the box of a game!
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
No Gordon Brown is talking about a medium he knows nothing about. It's like me telling Gordon how to play Mahjong even thought I know thing about it and pretending to be an expert on the matter.
The Government need a scapegoat for the high crime on our streets, it has nothing to do with video games, they just need something to blame other than their own ineptitude and that is what is annoying people here. So no I don't believe anyone here are acting like children.
Manhunt has been around for around 4 years now, I don't really remember a PM coming out and saying ban knives from games then, and this isnt just a rant it's people venting frustration at the governments inability to deal with the real issues in Britain and it's leniant stance on knife crime. I have never known anyone to think a main character in a game holding a knife looks 'cool' as someone said it did earlier or a gun for that matter. The point is you can't blame one medium of entertainment over another for crime on our street. Jamie bludger wasnt killed because his abductees played GTA, they watched a film and re-inacted that! christ i watched hostel part 2 a couple of nights ago and even I thought it was way way over the top. How that is deemed as acceptable when games arnt is beyond me!
"Jamie bludger wasnt killed because his abductees played GTA, they watched a film and re-inacted that!"
You idiot. You just blamed another form of media for violence yourself. They did not mimic a scene from any films. Having seen the films in question myself there is no resembalance. Oh, and Childs Play 3 did not have a scene were they forced batteries into a boys mouth and molested him. Real life will forever be much more horrofic than any form of media.
Sorry my mistake, it was something I heard in the news but i'd never seen the film as I was too young at the time. post edited!
My god you all sound like a bunch of retarded children.
49 comments and probably three of them didn't involve over-reacting or infantile ranting. I love it when this whole violence issue crops up ... brings out the dick in almost everyone.
A mature mind speaks at last.
Games are overtly violent, anyone who genuinely enjoys a game like Manhunt for instance must slightly disturbed, I'm not talking about the cartoon violence of most games the ones that set out to portray death realistically.
I dispute that. There are reems of horror fans out there that really enjoy a good fright/gore fest, yet (by extension of your comment) you would suggest they are disturbed? Different people like different things, and just because you may disagree with what interests them, doesn't immediately make them 'disturbed'. Not every football fan is a hooligan, not every bloke that likes Disney films is batting for the other side, and not every one that likes sadistic movies/games/books is a psychopath.
For the PM to try and put the blame solely on video games is wrong, a lot more factors have to be taken in to consideration before such accusations can be levied.
1, knifes are in an abundance in the home even the common kitchen knife can be sharpened in a tool of death.
2, movies have been portraying the act of kiling to be something that is trivial, and that to be a bad guy is something to be revered.
3 music (rap music inparticular) has been protraying the gangster/bad boy image since at least the 50's , and the only thing that happened to that is it has to have a sticker on the front of the case to state it has some "choice" lyrics.
as i said above knifes are very much easier to get and conceal.
Without taking the other two points above into consideration it shows that he is only jumping on the bandwagon and like every one else he is slating a pasttime that he doesn't fully understand.
the amount of killings and assults are based on gang culture, which like i have said has been heavy influenced by rap music.
so to but a ban on ANY game because of the fact it has a knife in it, would be hypocritical, if nothing has been done to stem the flow of lyrics in music which promote gang culture.
I've blood from the Middle East on my hands at the request of this government, yet I'm not allowed to play 'games' with fictional knives?
Politicians are generally regarded as being out of touch with ones fellow man. However, Mr Brown has obviously been living on the backside of the moon for all his life - apart from that bit when he cut the armed forces budget.
Compare the number of deaths caused (with 100% proof and conviction) by the actions of Mr Browns Government and those of violent video games and I'll think we'll find that my hobby should be the last thing on Mr Browns agenda.
I call you out Mr Brown, perhaps you'd like to discuss this issue face to face?
Not only is Gordon Brown cleary so far out of touch with reality, that he is willing to blame all of life's problems involving knives on video games. The last person I need to tell me what I should or should not be doing is Mr Gordon 'devious bastard' Brown, a man so devoid of conscience or soul, that he had to use Blair to win his premiership for him, and once he had done that he had him dumped on the scrap heap.
A man that by the nature of his profession (politician) is probably the least trustworthy man in Britain at this time, lets face it who the f**k trusts a politician?, a career based on ambition and lust for power, wealth and status. God if only communism could actually work, it cant of course because of the fundamental flaw in the entire process, human nature.
"1, knifes are in an abundance in the home even the common kitchen knife can be sharpened in a tool of death."
Interesting you should put it that way, a knife doesnt have to be sharp to be lethal even a blow with a blunt knife (object) if delivered with enough force to a critical area can be enough. In fact the short and tall of it is even a pen can be used to lethal effect, so how far down the road of finger pointing does Brownie want to go?. Most items we come into daily contact with can be used to some extent in a violent and potentially dangerous way.
As with all things Gordie common sense must be applied by the wielder, if that individual is devoid of said common sense then it is more likely down to the lack of parental supervision and instruction in basic morals during upbringing.
But hang on its far easier to point fingers at the video game industry isnt it, at least that way all the Mary whitehouse's out there will back you. And you can jump on a moral crusade band wagon, to try to convince we the normal people that you arent an bottomhole.
I find it absolutely disturbing that this c**tfuddle is commenting on these things. Commenting on such things as violence and children.
It is not the responsibility of any movie studio to ensure that 18 rated films do not get into the hands of minors. Therefore it is not the responsibility of video games studios to ensure that violence does not get into the hands of those, of which, the BBFC has specifically denied that request.
Ergo, it's the f**king parents who are responisble and it;s their duty to be a good parent, not a lazy or lethargic one.
I'm 20 years old and if I want to see a knife in a game, by f**king jove I want to stab someone in the head. Just as if I see a knife in a film, I want to see someone stabbed someplace (hopefully, the head)
If my right to see this is removed by bungling Prime Ministers struggling for approval. I'll f**king stab someone in the head through pure frustration of out of control censorship.
Too f**king right I'll be putting my two penneth on that website.
Even Lennie from 'of mice and men' would understand that games are a form of modern art, only middle aged Tories have a problem with that, and as the cultural centre of the world it is the government's duty to ensure there is no censorship, you simply cannot censor art, you wouldn't stick an '18' sticker on painting in Tate because it has mediocre sexual scenes, mild horror and excessive gore; and thats not even whats being suggested. He is saying we destroy the baked women in this painting, whitewash the apocalyptic scenes and eradicate the blood and death. We are PC gamers not pollitically correct gamers Mr. Brown and you have just sold out in hope of staying in power; shame on you!
Point made, check for validity and approved by anyone sane.
P.S. Go out and play Bioshock, Half-life and the elder-scrolls, and tell me they aren't art, for you are not complaining about knifes, your complaining about games because you are obligated to, that my friend is immoral.
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gimp!
In fact why stop there, lets ban the owning of knives, or anything that might be used as a cutting instrument, including paper! lets ban the talking about knives, as that might make someone think about using one. 
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