This one just seems to get more spicier as time goes by. Kotaku now claims to have word from Microsoft sources that the reason the GoldenEye remake was canned wasn't down to money. It was down to Nintendo president Satoru Iwata not wanting a Nintendo game on any other console.
The site reports: "Sources within Microsoft who were very close to the project have told us the game was canned not because of disagreements between the two parties, but because of Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata, who believes that, as a title which appeared on a Nintendo console, GoldenEye shouldn't be made available on a competitor's system."
Fair enought then, sad point is that it just means that no one will be able to play it again on their current machines. I can see the N64 games on VC becoming few and far between if they don't manage to get more 3rd party games on there.
Its obvious if true that Nintendo's attitude is if it cannot have it no one can but all these issues should have been sorted out when Nintendo sold the company!
Iwata's comments may be harsh but understandable. Goldeneye is one of the few games the other format holders want, so Nintendo is bound to guard it from the competition. Microsoft are just as bad - don't they have first refusal rights on any Bungie project, despite the fact that Bungie are now independent?
I agree with Nintendo on this one. If anything Microsoft should allow Nintendo to release this game on the Virtual Console not the other way around.
Why, nintendo no longer own rare, Rare if anyone should have the choice in matters, not Nintendo. Why it cant just be released on both formats i dont know.
Look, it's f**king s**t by today's standards anyway. A good game back in the day, yes, but turd now. I've posted a solution, use it. This is so trivial.
They should just bring it out on the DS. I think it would sit quite well on there and most of the people on Earth must own one by now, so anyone can have it. Problem solved.
I agree with Nintendo on this one. If anything Microsoft should allow Nintendo to release this game on the Virtual Console not the other way around.
Why, nintendo no longer own rare, Rare if anyone should have the choice in matters, not Nintendo. Why it cant just be released on both formats i dont know.
Nintendo held the rights to the Bond license at the time and got Rare to develop the game, given their second party status. It would be madness for Nintendo to allow one of the best selling & most fondly remembered N64 games to appear on the 360.
to be honest i cant see this as being true, we are forgetting a very good example of a Nintendo game being put on the Xbox, that game was CONKERS BAD FUR DAY, which also incidently was developed by Rare.
Nintendo or rare dont hold the rites for the Goldeneye or James Bond brand anymore, any kind of remake would be a legal nightmare. I doubt it ever happend let alone got stopped by anyone
Graphics dnt really look too great nowadays - no online and its on a pc
Also if ninty did can this game i hope they all die the morons - what else have they dont - its not like theyve released in on the virtual console -which is stupid anyway as you can just get the same version on the n64 no diff
If this reports true then it shows Nintendo's true colours. They are quite happy to embrace the likes on Sonic on their console and yet when it comes down to them doing something similar they act like a baby that's spat its dummy out. I don't see what it has to do with Nintendo myself. Rare developed the game, Rare held the 007 license and Nintendo merely published the game. That's all. The ideal solution would be to release the original on Nintendo's VC and then let Rare release a tarted up version for 360's LIVE. That would be the best solution in an ideal world but sadly Nintendo seem to think they rule the world with their last-gen casual aimed console!
If true, this doesnt show Ninty in a very good light.
Could we see a U Turn in the next few weeks to apease the people? Probably not, but we'll all be talking about it for the next 6 months anyway.
GoldenEye is a big nintendo game, why should it appear on another console? If Microsoft could not even allow Banjo and Conker in Diddy Kong Racing DS and are no doubt the reasons Banjo and Conker are not on the Virtual console (what would the other reasons be? They're major games) then why should such a game appear on an Xbox console.
They're competitiors so it is unlikely they'll get along. The difference with Sonic of course is that he has no home console.
And Rare are no more really, whoever worked on the N64 games has either left to other companies or left to found Free Radical. Rare keep the rights because of the company, the geniuses behind the game aren't at Rare. Or else ron Gilbert would have the monkey Island rights and so on....
It shows to Nintendo not everything is about money so good on them. Unless all Rare games can appear on the Virtual Console then it shouldn't be a fair deal-Nintendo have leighway.
Plus how kick-ass would it be for Banjo to be in Super Smash Bros' Brawl
I'll start by saying that I'd love to play GoldenEye with a decent online multiplayer option and what not. However, I cannot blame Nintendo in the slightest for pulling the plug on it appearing on the Xbox. It was their baby originally and they shouldn't have to see it prosper somewhere else, making profit for someone else in direct competition with their service.
Why Rare can't just get their finger's out of their bottoms and make something original for the Xbox that can compete with the classics they used to put out is the only shame here.
The only thing for certain is that GoldenEye, played now, is nowhere near as much fun as you remember. Keep your memories and hope that Rare come up with something that will still be held in high regard in 12 years time.
Disappointing but understandable, if Bungie now separate from MS tried to bring Halo to the PS3 hands up who thinks MS who own the rights would comply.
Having recently gone back to this game, I was shocked to find it not nearly as good as I remembered.
Obviously, it still remains by far the best iteration in the James Bond franchise and one of the finest movie tie-ins, but times have moved on and I don't mean in graphical terms only.
Having said that, I absolutely applaud Iwata's and Nintendo's stance. The game might have been developed by Rare, but it had huge funding from Nintendo and it remains one of the company's iconic titles.
It's about time Rare stopped dwelling on past triumphs and tried to make, at least, the half-decent game they seem incapable of, without Nintendo's hands-on guidance.
And another sensible and intelligent post from the 'mature' crew. How is it that they manage to give the games they like a name completely opposed to their personality?
Anyway, Iwata is doing what any other company exec. would do in his place. Although I don't agree with his decision, he's no better or worse than Bill Gates for it, as Bill would take the same path.
Hey, I've got an idea - let's have GoldenEye on both consoles, hm?
nintendo are just jelous they havnt got a next gen machine, they are a spoilt brat company that is falling behind slowly and they know it. dont get me wrong i loved N64 and i bought a gamecube but what a load of f**kign s**t that was never bought out hardly any games and the Wii is a load of s**t aswell, i tohught ok il try 1 see wat all the raving is about and zomg1!!11! i neva felt so imbarised playing with a TOY that must for max age for 10 year olds. w****rs. PC gaming, 360 and PS3 is were its at stik ya remote p your bottom you peedofile company.
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nintendo are just jelous they havnt got a next gen machine, they are a spoilt brat company that is falling behind slowly and they know it. dont get me wrong i loved N64 and i bought a gamecube but what a load of f**kign s**t that was never bought out hardly any games and the Wii is a load of s**t aswell, i tohught ok il try 1 see wat all the raving is about and zomg1!!11! i neva felt so imbarised playing with a TOY that must for max age for 10 year olds. w****rs. PC gaming, 360 and PS3 is were its at stik ya remote p your bottom you peedofile company.
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4. Cut the swearing 5. Nintendo are not falling behind, they have sold more than the 360, which has been out twice as long, and outsold the PS3. Their DS and Wii sales are magnificant and they make a profit on each console sold. Whatever your stance on Nintendo, don't chat crap.
Me just thinks you're a 360 fanboy who used to love GoldenEye so doesn't seem to understand reason.
If the PC/PS3/360 is so good, get some new games to play on them, don't dwell in the past.
StonecoldMC have you ever real look at nintendo, because you might just find that this "not very good light" as you put it is just a normal thing for nintendo. You only need to look at there history/current storys to see that they are not the family friendy company people think they are. Just look at the # of western companys they have worked with and got rid of once they served there use. While i dought he has much power @ nintendo, Hiroshi Yamauchi will still have some influance there in some form or another.
I agree with Iwata. Goldeneye was made for the N64 and was remembered as the first real FPS shooter. So ie has a right to remain on a Nintendo console. And anyway would Microsoft ever let Halo appear on the Wii? I don't think so
Hey, I've got an idea - let's have GoldenEye on both consoles, hm?
That's what MS wanted and Nintendo are refusing.
Anyway, no great loss for me as Goldeneye is overrated trash by today's standards and wouldn't get half the play people think they'd give it. Ignoring that though, I don't understand the people who say they agree with Nintendo's stance. Surely if Nintendo gave a s**t about what gamers wanted they'd authorise the release on Live, which in turn would free it up to also be released on VC (as that was apparently the offer) and they'd lap up the money from purchases on VC plus any royalties from Live sales that their licence ownership would bestow upon them. It's not as if the game's going to be a system-seller or is in any way going to sway anyone's decision to buy a Wii over a 360 so you'd think they'd want the widest reach possible. Though for the price it would appear on either service you could probably pick up a copy of the original and a 64 to play it on.
nintendo are just jelous they havnt got a next gen machine, they are a spoilt brat company that is falling behind slowly and they know it. dont get me wrong i loved N64 and i bought a gamecube but what a load of f**kign s**t that was never bought out hardly any games and the Wii is a load of s**t aswell, i tohught ok il try 1 see wat all the raving is about and zomg1!!11! i neva felt so imbarised playing with a TOY that must for max age for 10 year olds. w****rs. PC gaming, 360 and PS3 is were its at stik ya remote p your bottom you peedofile company.
Did you type that flow of badly spelt dribble or just headbutt the keys?
oh dear, ok, let me have a brilliant idea, why not give the wii t he better version+original+online (MoH:H style)+bonuses and then give the original on XBLA, even so i think the 360 shouldn't have it good on you Iwata! i admire you even more. thats right defend the game that was made a success on your console! he's totaly right to do this its like nintendo wanting Halo on the wii, i mean get ur games and leave the other console games alone dude. i reckon nintendo should have all games released on their previous console and same with 360 and PS3. limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's Thank You once more Iwata!
I loved Goldeneye back in the day and I will always remember it as one of my great gaming experiences.
Playing it recently though really shows that it has aged badly. It is for this very reason that I would like to see it released on XBLA because I would like to see it with tightened up controls, HD visuals, online features and hopefully some gameplay enhancements.
I can see exactly where Nintendo are coming from given that they are still an active company in the console industry.
Given the choice though I would much rather see it in the hands of Microsoft because at least they put some effort into making sure XBLA releases are updated and enhanced over the originals.
Nintendo, to date, have made no effort to enhance their VC releases. I won't buy anything through the VC for this very reason.
Having said that MS have gotten a little lazy with their new 'Originals' range of games.
You know what would be a very MS thing to do...release Perfect Dark 2 and make an enhanced Goldeneye available as DLC for owners of that game only. Give it 6-9 months and put it on general release through XBLA.
nintendo are just jelous they havnt got a next gen machine, they are a spoilt brat company that is falling behind slowly and they know it. dont get me wrong i loved N64 and i bought a gamecube but what a load of f**kign s**t that was never bought out hardly any games and the Wii is a load of s**t aswell, i tohught ok il try 1 see wat all the raving is about and zomg1!!11! i neva felt so imbarised playing with a TOY that must for max age for 10 year olds. w****rs. PC gaming, 360 and PS3 is were its at stik ya remote p your bottom you peedofile company.
up yours nintendo.
Some people (mentioning no names), need to take a look at their post and realise how badly they're coming across.
It's perfectly alright to be disappointed that you're not going to get a game that you wanted but some common sense is required here.
If Nintendo was any other company thatn a games company this would be accepted as the most sensible thing to do. I.e. protect its IP and stop a competitor making money from something Nintendo owns.
There wouldn't even be a breath of contention if a person didn't allow another company to remake its invention because it wanted to.
Nintendo's actions are those of a company with even some basic business sense.
As already mentioned Microsoft didn't even allow two (relative to someone like Mario, Link or Sonic) finacnially insignificant characters, namely Banjo and Conker in to a game where they have pretty minor roles.
Microsoft was doing what was the mast sensible thing for it to se business-wise. It was protecting its IP by not letting another company make money from a character it owns.
So as I said be disappointed if you want, but that's all. There's no point making fanboyish rants over something that was obviously never going to hapen anyway, for all the legal issues if nothing else.
who givs a f**k how i spell i dont and thats all that matters, you can understand it, you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts but i aint so suck your dead geat gran from ya dads batty crease rude boys. Anyone who thinks im a fan boy dont make me laugh, iv got a gaming pc, 360 (from release), ps3 (from release), Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it, also chek the amount of games for 360 i have on xbox.com just chek BRUTALGAMER profile, its between 40-50, im not trying to big mr i get wateva i want, im just proving i aint no f**kin fanboy as if i wanted a wii i could get 1 wen i wanted. I dont like the wii i tihnk its s**t thats my opinion, poor graphics, gimic, i played a few different games, zelda, mario galaxy, wii sport red steel , metroid prime , and i just thought they were all poor, oh yea and fifa is a f**kin joker game aint it ?. The wii i played on was my 6 year old cousins she got it for xmas and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
who givs a f**k how i spell i dont and thats all that matters, you can understand it, you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts but i aint so suck your dead geat gran from ya dads batty crease rude boys. Anyone who thinks im a fan boy dont make me laugh, iv got a gaming pc, 360 (from release), ps3 (from release), Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it, also chek the amount of games for 360 i have on xbox.com just chek BRUTALGAMER profile, its between 40-50, im not trying to big mr i get wateva i want, im just proving i aint no f**kin fanboy as if i wanted a wii i could get 1 wen i wanted. I dont like the wii i tihnk its s**t thats my opinion, poor graphics, gimic, i played a few different games, zelda, mario galaxy, wii sport red steel , metroid prime , and i just thought they were all poor, oh yea and fifa is a f**kin joker game aint it ?. The wii i played on was my 6 year old cousins she got it for xmas and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
ps Bill Gates is gangsta braaap braaap.
Anyone get the feeling we have a straw man hanging about?
who givs a f**k how i spell i dont and thats all that matters, you can understand it, you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts but i aint so suck your dead geat gran from ya dads batty crease rude boys. Anyone who thinks im a fan boy dont make me laugh, iv got a gaming pc, 360 (from release), ps3 (from release), Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it, also chek the amount of games for 360 i have on xbox.com just chek BRUTALGAMER profile, its between 40-50, im not trying to big mr i get wateva i want, im just proving i aint no f**kin fanboy as if i wanted a wii i could get 1 wen i wanted. I dont like the wii i tihnk its s**t thats my opinion, poor graphics, gimic, i played a few different games, zelda, mario galaxy, wii sport red steel , metroid prime , and i just thought they were all poor, oh yea and fifa is a f**kin joker game aint it ?. The wii i played on was my 6 year old cousins she got it for xmas and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
ps Bill Gates is gangsta braaap braaap.
I've got a Wii and a 360, both of which are great. You clearly have no perception of greatness if you say Zelda Mario and Metroid are 'poor' and just seem to get off on the fact that you can rant and swear online. To be honset your pathetic. But there's no point in telling you that cos all your gonna do is rant and swear back at me. Why don't you just grow up?!
If this reports true then it shows Nintendo's true colours. They are quite happy to embrace the likes on Sonic on their console and yet when it comes down to them doing something similar they act like a baby that's spat its dummy out. I don't see what it has to do with Nintendo myself. Rare developed the game, Rare held the 007 license and Nintendo merely published the game. That's all. The ideal solution would be to release the original on Nintendo's VC and then let Rare release a tarted up version for 360's LIVE. That would be the best solution in an ideal world but sadly Nintendo seem to think they rule the world with their last-gen casual aimed console!
RANT OVER...
And there you go AGAIN!!!!! Last time I checked SEGA didnt have a console in competition with the Wii. So that shows how laughable your posts are these days.
You dont see what it has to do with Nintendo? It uses their hardware.
It's beside's the point. Sonic is the icon of Sega, one of Nintendo's deepest rivals. Sega have obviously eaten some humble pie and allowed Sonic to team with with Nintendo's mascot, something no would have ever imagined years back. Also, you're acting like Goldeneye is some sort of killer app. Don't get me wrong, it was amazing back in the day but we've all seen what happens when golden oldies are played today, our memories are greater than the game. So yet again, I don't see why Nintendo can't eat humble pie for once and allow the game on both consoles, but no, they won't allow that as 360 would have the better version with tarted up graphics and online play while Wii would be stuck with the exact same game we all played on N64... And my final point, some would argue that Nintendo aren't a rival for Microsoft and vice-versa as both consoles are aimed at different audiences...
Yet when a great Xbox 360 title, which has a chance to come out on the PS3, is canned, mainly because Microsoft does not want a title they loved so much on the Xbox 360 to come out on another system.
CVG does not even say:
"Why can we not all get along?"
Final Thoughts
At least Microsoft is getting a taste of there own medicine now.
limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's Thank You once more Iwata!
What an amazing idea! So no Megadrive, Neo Geo or PC Engine games on VC then?
Genius!!
wow u're even more of a genius cause those consoles u mentioned don't exist anymore! if sega was still on i would agree with them keeping their stuff since they don't... dude, u should think before you right GENIUS
limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's Thank You once more Iwata!
What an amazing idea! So no Megadrive, Neo Geo or PC Engine games on VC then?
Genius!!
wow u're even more of a genius cause those consoles u mentioned don't exist anymore! if sega was still on i would agree with them keeping their stuff since they don't... dude, u should think before you right GENIUS
You need to read your own posts. You said "limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's". I don't remember the Neo or Megadrive being owned by Nintendo. And as for "wow u're even more of a genius cause those consoles u mentioned don't exist anymore!"... Last time I checked I could've sworn the N64 had been discontinued.
Take the time to actually say what you mean rather than spending it trying to be clever and c**ky.
If Rare own everything on the game then there is no way Nintendo could stop them.
If Nintendo did stop them, fair enough, they are competing companies.
I actually think BRUTALGAMER is quite amusing...come on that must be a joke?
The last line about Gates was the funniest bit.
Rare were the developer, Nintendo was the publisher, it's the publisher that owns the rights to the IP so Nintendo have every right if they wish to stop this. any publisher has the right to say what happens to thir IPs it was their money that paid for the development in the first place.
For all we know MS could have wanted exclusive rights themselves and not considered a version on both systems. Not to mention the fact that 2 differnet versions on 2 different consoles would require 2 development teams and 2 lots of money.
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This despite a proposed deal from Microsoft that would have seen not only GoldenEye released on the Virtual Console, but other, unspecified Rare games (Jetpac? Sabre Wulf?) as well. How very upsetting.
Seems plausible to me. As for the two dev teams and lots of money... The Wii version would be emulated with nothing added so it wouldn't really take much work and Nintendo would generate profits from both versions... And as they keep stating they're not competing with 360 or PS3 as they're totally different animals then it would surely make business (and gamer-pleasing) sense to release on both.
The movie versions of James Bond and Goldeneye which the games are based on aren't Nintendo IP, they're owned by MGM and it's not as if Nintendo are trying to avoid sullying the name of one of their characters by him appearing on another console. This is absolutely nothing like Mario appearing on 360 or Halo on a Nintendo console. Mario is Nintendo IP, Halo is MS IP... Bond and Goldeneye are MGM IP.
Hey, I've got an idea - let's have GoldenEye on both consoles, hm?
That's what MS wanted and Nintendo are refusing.
Oh.
In that case, I don't agree with it. However, one does tend to think of games as art - produced for the games' sake, when in fact it's a highly commercialised sector. It's the obvious thing for a company to do.
This doesn't make me like Nintendo any more, but they're a company. It's what they do.
you can pick up an N64 and goldeneye for about a tenner now anyway... just pop into your local gamestation - that's what i did about 2 years ago, and i still have my N64. microsoft would sell it for roughly a tenner anyway (give or take a couple of pounds) so if I were you I'd go down the retro console route and pick up a cheap nintendo 64. it'd be a firmly held up two fingers to all of this corporate b******s that seems to be going on related to this one game. it's what happens when too many people have their fingers in the same james bond licensed pie.
you can pick up an N64 and goldeneye for about a tenner now anyway... just pop into your local gamestation - that's what i did about 2 years ago, and i still have my N64. microsoft would sell it for roughly a tenner anyway (give or take a couple of pounds) so if I were you I'd go down the retro console route and pick up a cheap nintendo 64. it'd be a firmly held up two fingers to all of this corporate b******s that seems to be going on related to this one game. it's what happens when too many people have their fingers in the same james bond licensed pie.
Couldn't agree more! I still have my N64 out and in use, allowing me to play some great games that have aged far better than the 'once great' Goldeneye.
Personally, I have never understood this rose-tinted fascination for playing old games on new formats.
who givs a f**k how i spell i dont and thats all that matters, you can understand it, you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts but i aint so suck your dead geat gran from ya dads batty crease rude boys. Anyone who thinks im a fan boy dont make me laugh, iv got a gaming pc, 360 (from release), ps3 (from release), Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it, also chek the amount of games for 360 i have on xbox.com just chek BRUTALGAMER profile, its between 40-50, im not trying to big mr i get wateva i want, im just proving i aint no f**kin fanboy as if i wanted a wii i could get 1 wen i wanted. I dont like the wii i tihnk its s**t thats my opinion, poor graphics, gimic, i played a few different games, zelda, mario galaxy, wii sport red steel , metroid prime , and i just thought they were all poor, oh yea and fifa is a f**kin joker game aint it ?. The wii i played on was my 6 year old cousins she got it for xmas and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
ps Bill Gates is gangsta braaap braaap.
Don't worry I think he's just making a sarcastic joke.
who givs a f**k how i spell i dont and thats all that matters, you can understand it, you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts but i aint so suck your dead geat gran from ya dads batty crease rude boys. Anyone who thinks im a fan boy dont make me laugh, iv got a gaming pc, 360 (from release), ps3 (from release), Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it, also chek the amount of games for 360 i have on xbox.com just chek BRUTALGAMER profile, its between 40-50, im not trying to big mr i get wateva i want, im just proving i aint no f**kin fanboy as if i wanted a wii i could get 1 wen i wanted. I dont like the wii i tihnk its s**t thats my opinion, poor graphics, gimic, i played a few different games, zelda, mario galaxy, wii sport red steel , metroid prime , and i just thought they were all poor, oh yea and fifa is a f**kin joker game aint it ?. The wii i played on was my 6 year old cousins she got it for xmas and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
ps Bill Gates is gangsta braaap braaap.
You say Wii is for under 10's yet you write like a 5 year old, surely you are in the age bracket that you consider wii is aimed for?
I am not even going to ask how you know how big your uncles tackle is..... it may bring back bad memories for you.........
Maybe if you actually attended school you would be able to write and also put together a reasonable argument instead of the rubbish you are typing. Nintendo partially own the rights to goldeneye, they do not want it to appear on a rival console. Could you see microsoft allowing Halo or Forza to appear on wii or ps3? It is dissapointing but perfectly understandable to anyone with even half a brain.
I think that Goldeneye is one of those games that should be left alone becuase even an update to the graphics and game speed wouldn't save it from being somewhat of a disappointment, don't get me wrong here because its one of my all time favourite games and I still play it occasionally but its not stood up well to the march of technology.
People are arguing about how it'd be great with an overhaul but you'd practically have to make it a new game to make a difference. It's not just the graphics that are ten years old but the physics and the AI are ten years old as well, once you've overhauled them you're practically building the game from the ground up, the game engine is ancient as well, and designed for the N64's architecture, so that'll likely need to be reprogrammed. Then there's the question of the online multiplayer, again its something that has to be specially made for it but its nothing special, the 360 already has lots of FPS games that have online multiplayer so its hardly a stand-out feature. By the time all that's done they may as well have created a new IP that wouldn't have ran into all the trouble that this has.
Goldeneye will forever stand out as a shining beacon of games design and showed what Rare could do at their peak. It did for console FPS games what Half Life did for PC ones, took them away from being incessant shoot-fests and brought intelligence and strategy into the games in ways that hadn't been done before and brought an unknown level excellent design. It also showed that an FPS game could work properly on a console if it was done right rather than the half bottomd PC ports that they usually were and sometimes still are.
But since then the genre has moved on, it has evolved, its like comparing the Spitfire to the Eurofighter, Spitfire has all the heritage and brings a warm glow of nostalgia but you wouldn't go head to head with its descendant in one.
So he is happy to steal other companies games, just not to return the favour. Sonic anyone ?
Really? What a tool. Sonic games on the Nintendo consoles were Sega's desire once they dropped out of the hardware race. Nintendo just offered them the platform to build the sonic games on.
1. Developer makes game 2. Developer gets a publishing deal with company 3. Developer signs away all rights to the game, IP, sequels, etc. 4. Publisher acquires all rights, IP, choice of developer for sequels, while giving the developer money to finish production 5. Publisher releases game. 6. Publisher makes money, pays royalties to developer
In other words, Rare never owned any rights to James Bond, Donkey Kong, Starfox, etc.
Conker's Bad Fur Day was a finished title production, meaning that they didn't need production money, so they were able to keep the rights/IP to the game, same for Perfect Dark.
For those of you too slow to understand, the ordeal:
You have a hot girlfriend. Some muscle head wants to do her. You say no, and make him take a hike.
limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's Thank You once more Iwata!
What an amazing idea! So no Megadrive, Neo Geo or PC Engine games on VC then?
Genius!!
wow u're even more of a genius cause those consoles u mentioned don't exist anymore! if sega was still on i would agree with them keeping their stuff since they don't... dude, u should think before you right GENIUS
You need to read your own posts. You said "limit each with games that were released on their stuff, not someone else's". I don't remember the Neo or Megadrive being owned by Nintendo. And as for "wow u're even more of a genius cause those consoles u mentioned don't exist anymore!"... Last time I checked I could've sworn the N64 had been discontinued.
Take the time to actually say what you mean rather than spending it trying to be clever and c**ky.
oh i'm trying to be clever and c**ky? u started being smart so i just pointed out how "smart" you are, of course i said limit to what was released on each console, however, how do u expect SEGA to survive in the games industry if they don't have a console? its a totally different scenario. you must've understood that cause i think anyone with at least the minimum of inteligence could figure that out. since u couldn't i'm telling u that, explaining, expanding my point. just like stating the obvious. its ok dude i got a baby sis, so i'm used to explaining things this way, it was no trouble at all.
1. Developer makes game 2. Developer gets a publishing deal with company 3. Developer signs away all rights to the game, IP, sequels, etc. 4. Publisher acquires all rights, IP, choice of developer for sequels, while giving the developer money to finish production 5. Publisher releases game. 6. Publisher makes money, pays royalties to developer
In other words, Rare never owned any rights to James Bond, Donkey Kong, Starfox, etc.
Conker's Bad Fur Day was a finished title production, meaning that they didn't need production money, so they were able to keep the rights/IP to the game, same for Perfect Dark.
For those of you too slow to understand, the ordeal:
You have a hot girlfriend. Some muscle head wants to do her. You say no, and make him take a hike.
The end.
hahahaha fantastic! spot on dude! you should be a teacher man some people around here need some lessons about "understanding the obvious" with examples like u did, they might even learn to figure some obvious things by themselves! hello there "theideal", yes i was looking at you...
oh i'm trying to be clever and c**ky? u started being smart so i just pointed out how "smart" you are, of course i said limit to what was released on each console, however, how do u expect SEGA to survive in the games industry if they don't have a console?
Way to contradict yourself there, homeboy. You once again seemed to spend all your time trying to come up with 'funny' way to put me down rather than thinking about what you said. It seems 'being funny' comes hard to you.
its ok dude i got a baby sis, so i'm used to explaining things this way, it was no trouble at all.
Jesus. I wish I could see you explaining something to her... Poor little bastard's head would explode from the shower of confusion and wit spewing forth.
You have a hot girlfriend. Some muscle head wants to do her. You say no, and make him take a hike.
It's more like being married, separating, then your wife meeting someone else and wanting a divorce but you refuse to sign the papers because you're bitter that the other guy is better looking and has more to offer than you.
It's more like being married, separating, then your wife meeting someone else and wanting a divorce but you refuse to sign the papers because you're bitter that the other guy is better looking and has more to offer than you.
Not quite, you're insinuating thart Goldeneye is the wife in the latter part there when actually Rare is the 'wife'. Its more like seperation, wife finds someone else and as part of the divorce the other guy wants her to get your classic sports car as part of the seperation, course you don't want to give it to him.
The crux of the issue is simply that Nintendo own the Goldeneye game, they got the rights to it originally and passed the majority of development on to Rare, therefore its Nintendo's game, and why should they give any help to Microsoft? Does anybody really think that if the situation were reversed and Nintendo had aquired Bungie there's any chance in hell MS would allow Halo to be released on the Wii? Its exactly the same thing, MS own the license but they passed development on to Bungie and Bungie have no real say in the IP unless they work with MS on it again.
The crux of the issue is simply that Nintendo own the Goldeneye game, they got the rights to it originally and passed the majority of development on to Rare, therefore its Nintendo's game,
It's not really that simple though, because if it was then Nintendo would just release it on VC and be done with it. MS obviously have a lot of pull in the matter, as proven by their blocking of it's release on Wii.
But as I said originally, I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape... It's 10 year old Goldeneye. It's aged really, really badly. Short of a total rebuild (which it wouldn't be) it's going to be, as someone else already said, nothing but a quick nostalgia trip. A lot of people talk about buying it, a few would buy it... but only a tiny minority of those would bother to grind through it's ugly clunkiness for any length of time.
Most people seem to like the thought of playing old games more than the actual playing, which is why SWOS isn't Live's most played game even after all the talk on forums.
If anyone is that p**sed off about not being able to play it I have a 64 and copy of s**tty Goldeneye sat at home doing nowt that they can have for a good price
The crux of the issue is simply that Nintendo own the Goldeneye game, they got the rights to it originally and passed the majority of development on to Rare, therefore its Nintendo's game,
It's not really that simple though, because if it was then Nintendo would just release it on VC and be done with it. MS obviously have a lot of pull in the matter, as proven by their blocking of it's release on Wii.
But as I said originally, I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape... It's 10 year old Goldeneye. It's aged really, really badly. Short of a total rebuild (which it wouldn't be) it's going to be, as someone else already said, nothing but a quick nostalgia trip. A lot of people talk about buying it, a few would buy it... but only a tiny minority of those would bother to grind through it's ugly clunkiness for any length of time.
Most people seem to like the thought of playing old games more than the actual playing, which is why SWOS isn't Live's most played game even after all the talk on forums.
If anyone is that p**sed off about not being able to play it I have a 64 and copy of s**tty Goldeneye sat at home doing nowt that they can have for a good price
Goldeneye might have aged so badly that it has wrinkles, but in no way could it be described as being 's**tty'. Many of the FPS titles we enjoy today owe it a huge debt of gratitude.
Goldeneye might be have aged so badly that it has wrinkles, but in no way could it be described as being 's**tty'. Many of the FPS titles we enjoy today owe it a huge debt of gratitude.
Many games owe Pong a huge debt of gratitude... Doesn't make it any less s**tty by today's standards.
Back when it was released I thought it was great, which is why I still have it, and there's no doubting that modern FPS' owe it something but compared to today's games it's a pile of s**t and doesn't hold up. There are lots and lots of retro games that hold up well... Goldeneye isn't one of them.
Goldeneye might be have aged so badly that it has wrinkles, but in no way could it be described as being 's**tty'. Many of the FPS titles we enjoy today owe it a huge debt of gratitude.
Many games owe Pong a huge debt of gratitude... Doesn't make it any less s**tty by today's standards.
Back when it was released I thought it was great, which is why I still have it, and there's no doubting that modern FPS' owe it something but compared to today's games it's a pile of s**t and doesn't hold up. There are lots and lots of retro games that hold up well... Goldeneye isn't one of them.
I have agreed that the game doesn't hold up well. This does not make it 's**t'. It still does many things (such as its inventive use of items and gadgets) far better than many of today's mindless FPS's.
Its multiplayer also remains a lot of fun and a damn sight more inclusive than playing on your own in a darkened room against some idiot you've never met before.
By the way, I still enjoy a dose of pong now and again.
Goldeneye might be have aged so badly that it has wrinkles, but in no way could it be described as being 's**tty'. Many of the FPS titles we enjoy today owe it a huge debt of gratitude.
Many games owe Pong a huge debt of gratitude... Doesn't make it any less s**tty by today's standards.
Back when it was released I thought it was great, which is why I still have it, and there's no doubting that modern FPS' owe it something but compared to today's games it's a pile of s**t and doesn't hold up. There are lots and lots of retro games that hold up well... Goldeneye isn't one of them.
I have agreed that the game doesn't hold up well. This does not make it 's**t'. It still does many things (such as its inventive use of items and gadgets) far better than many of today's mindless FPS's.
Its multiplayer also remains a lot of fun and a damn sight more inclusive than playing on your own in a darkened room against some idiot you've never met before.
By the way, I still enjoy a dose of pong now and again.
It's obviously all just a matter of opinion, rubbish and gold and all that.
Erm, employers, teachers, or in your case a social worker may take an interest.
you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts.
Yes only us posh c**ts learned to spell properly.
but i aint
Yeh, we figured that one out.
iv got a 360 (from release)
Now I know your lieing cause you wouldnt have a 360 from release, they dont last that long.
Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it
And ive got a 3 piece suite, a fridge and a universal remote. It cost 50 boab fae de merket *cough* oops sorry its catching.
To be honest I find it hard to believe you have any of this stuff. You either have the worlds best paying paper round or you get paid for being a w****r.
and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
You know your uncles got a big dick eh? Perhaps that would explain the extra cash. Uncle Pedo "No, im not buying you a wii, I already had to buy one to keep your cousin quiet and im not made of money". Is that why your now resentful towards the wii?
You've made yourself look like a "bid dik" though, and you've only made it worse by saying Mario Galaxy is a poor game. What a fool you are.
Yea thats rite im a big dik and proud of it, im a realy hard nut from Essex (like Ross Kemp) so dont test son, u will see me on the corner with my hood up giving it the big-un.
you dont think i own all that stuff add deanvercetio@hotmail.com and i will send you all the pics you want to prove it, with a bit of s**ty paper with the word of your choice on it.
and yea i probly am 1 of the worlds biggest w****rs as my big dik scares all the birds away so i sit there all day jousting the javalin braap braaaap.
I dont have paperound son, im 19 years old and u think im acting childish well yea i am coz i love the reaction i get on here from the geek men LOLZOR!1!11!!. I AFORD TO BUY my self all that shizzle is coz i actuly work nah thats rite im not on the doll son, im a body fitter and panel. im a gangsta that lives at home still and got 2 much money to spare so i spend it on going to The Grove (Emirites for the posh boys) to watch The bottomnal, computer games, drugs.
big up all the single teenage mothers, father for justice and the NB mandem.
BRAAAP BRAAAP ZUE ZUE ZUE.
Jesus! I think I just roffled up my kidneys. Surely you're not real...
oh i'm trying to be clever and c**ky? u started being smart so i just pointed out how "smart" you are, of course i said limit to what was released on each console, however, how do u expect SEGA to survive in the games industry if they don't have a console?
Way to contradict yourself there, homeboy. You once again seemed to spend all your time trying to come up with 'funny' way to put me down rather than thinking about what you said. It seems 'being funny' comes hard to you.
its ok dude i got a baby sis, so i'm used to explaining things this way, it was no trouble at all.
Jesus. I wish I could see you explaining something to her... Poor little bastard's head would explode from the shower of confusion and wit spewing forth.
you still don't understand ey? look, its like this: Nintendo is still up and running, Sega (console wise) is dead (unfortunately) BUT sega still wants to be in the industry, doing what they always did (making games) soooo Sega being only a Software dev has to let go of some of their IP's because they don't have a console. Capiche? Nintendo on the other hand are still alive, and they (as any other CONSOLE company) wants their games, specially the ones that were made famous on their console! wouldn't u prefer to see FF7 on PS3? thats its home, just like Golden Eye is at home with Nintendo. now i'm glad you found me funny, but hey, you really gotta mind your own business, mind people's opinion, cause dude, your making a child of urself, i won't reply to anymore stuff u write replying to what i am writting. Grow up kid.
Erm, employers, teachers, or in your case a social worker may take an interest.
you lot might be a bunch of posh c**ts.
Yes only us posh c**ts learned to spell properly.
but i aint
Yeh, we figured that one out.
iv got a 360 (from release)
Now I know your lieing cause you wouldnt have a 360 from release, they dont last that long.
Samsung HD tv cost Ł800 wen i bought it
And ive got a 3 piece suite, a fridge and a universal remote. It cost 50 boab fae de merket *cough* oops sorry its catching.
To be honest I find it hard to believe you have any of this stuff. You either have the worlds best paying paper round or you get paid for being a w****r.
and my uncle got a 360 why coz his older and got a big dik dont want to play on a wii.
You know your uncles got a big dick eh? Perhaps that would explain the extra cash. Uncle Pedo "No, im not buying you a wii, I already had to buy one to keep your cousin quiet and im not made of money". Is that why your now resentful towards the wii?
You've made yourself look like a "bid dik" though, and you've only made it worse by saying Mario Galaxy is a poor game. What a fool you are.
Yea thats rite im a big dik and proud of it, im a realy hard nut from Essex (like Ross Kemp) so dont test son, u will see me on the corner with my hood up giving it the big-un.
you dont think i own all that stuff add deanvercetio@hotmail.com and i will send you all the pics you want to prove it, with a bit of s**ty paper with the word of your choice on it.
and yea i probly am 1 of the worlds biggest w****rs as my big dik scares all the birds away so i sit there all day jousting the javalin braap braaaap.
I dont have paperound son, im 19 years old and u think im acting childish well yea i am coz i love the reaction i get on here from the geek men LOLZOR!1!11!!. I AFORD TO BUY my self all that shizzle is coz i actuly work nah thats rite im not on the doll son, im a body fitter and panel. im a gangsta that lives at home still and got 2 much money to spare so i spend it on going to The Grove (Emirites for the posh boys) to watch The bottomnal, computer games, drugs.
big up all the single teenage mothers, father for justice and the NB mandem.
BRAAAP BRAAAP ZUE ZUE ZUE.
oh dear... never seen so much BS in one Post in my life, if you're trying to be funny as in you not being serious, cool dude but after the first port it sorta got old man. (good effort though)
oh i'm trying to be clever and c**ky? u started being smart so i just pointed out how "smart" you are, of course i said limit to what was released on each console, however, how do u expect SEGA to survive in the games industry if they don't have a console?
Way to contradict yourself there, homeboy. You once again seemed to spend all your time trying to come up with 'funny' way to put me down rather than thinking about what you said. It seems 'being funny' comes hard to you.
its ok dude i got a baby sis, so i'm used to explaining things this way, it was no trouble at all.
Jesus. I wish I could see you explaining something to her... Poor little bastard's head would explode from the shower of confusion and wit spewing forth.
you still don't understand ey? look, its like this: Nintendo is still up and running, Sega (console wise) is dead (unfortunately) BUT sega still wants to be in the industry, doing what they always did (making games) soooo Sega being only a Software dev has to let go of some of their IP's because they don't have a console. Capiche? Nintendo on the other hand are still alive, and they (as any other CONSOLE company) wants their games, specially the ones that were made famous on their console! wouldn't u prefer to see FF7 on PS3? thats its home, just like Golden Eye is at home with Nintendo. now i'm glad you found me funny, but hey, you really gotta mind your own business, mind people's opinion, cause dude, your making a child of urself, i won't reply to anymore stuff u write replying to what i am writting. Grow up kid.
I understand exactly how it works. My point was that you said something stupid. By the sounds of it it's not what you meant but you said what you said. You've explained what you meant so we're done. Though I see you feel the need to try and be funny at the end there again and try and make yourself feel bigger by calling me "kid". Good stuff.
And for the record, I don't give a s**t whether FFVII is released on PSN, VC or Live Arcade. 10 year old games don't sell systems to me.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but I this this is despicable, Goldeneye online would have been, undoubtedly, one of the greatest multiplayer experiences ever. And I couldn've sworn Nintendo 'weren't really in competition' with 360 and PS3 anyway... Crazy and stupid, that's what I say.
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Thank You once more Iwata! 
never seen so much BS in one Post in my life, if you're trying to be funny as in you not being serious, cool dude but after the first port it sorta got old man. (good effort though) 
