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Jon Hare: "Quality of programming has gone down"

British developers "undermined" in an "Americanised" games industry
Jon Hare, the man responsible for Sensible Soccer and the Sensible Software range, says that the "quality of programming has gone down" in the present world of big corporation developers and publishers that differs massively to gaming's earlier years.

He points towards us Brits having a different sense of humour as a key cause for the decline in influence UK studios have nowadays.

"Something that is not often talked about is just how Americanised the industry became when the big media companies came in," he said.

"The American approach is seen as good business, but in a lot of cases the American side of things just don't understand our humour.

"Even if you look at Grand Theft Auto which is probably the most successful British developed product in recent times it's still very Americanised," explained Hare.

And it's the expansion into big business and safe sequels that Hare finds difficult, he explains. "What's been hard for me as a designer and team leader is how difficult it is to get people to trust you. Not just publishers either, but often people within your own team," admits Hare.

"I honestly believe that the quality of programming has gone down. People like [Sensible stalwarts] Chris Yates, Chris Chapman and Julian Jameson - they virtually did the big games on their own," recalls Hare, reminiscing of the age when the comparatively basic games were made by small teams of people.

You couldn't possibly have ten-man teams working on games of today's complexity, but that's part of the problem, Hare says. "It was a different environment back then because the hardware was more stable. You didn't need loads of people running the graphics, programs just ran at 60 frames per second - so the onus was on the creative and not about fighting with the display.

"You had a smaller team and that meant you started to get some of the subtle little things done that made such a difference to the final game."

WiiWare and Xbox Live, he concludes, are "the best chance we have of seeing new and original games coming out," in his interview with MSN Tech & Gadgets.

He makes it seems all a bit grim, but before you go and do something you'll regret, replenish your excitement by watching sweet videos of one British-developed, new and highly original game we all should be looking forward to.

Ah, all better now.

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Programmers need to focus on building better, more flexible & more user-friendly development tools. Hardware developers should get in on it too - mouse & keyboard isn't really ideal for painting/modelling.

The complexity of games is only going in one direction - that's an unchangeable fact. So to adapt, you either get in thousands of slaves to pull the building bricks into place with ropes, or you get a handful of guys operating big f**k off cranes that get the job done in a fraction of the time. I know which one makes more sense.
Mogs on 21 Jan '08
He's not wrong you know!
wudragon on 21 Jan '08
He's pretty much spot on, especially with the British humor part.
Rare used to king of that area and now you look at them and all their recent games, bar the Conker remake, are all lacking in that regard. Just look at how they turned Perfect Dark into an american style game.
Thankfully we still have Lionhead keeping the British humor in but then you have the americans complaing about the "annoying" accents etc... Confused
vulcanraven01 on 21 Jan '08
Ahh,not my feckin programming Twisted Evil
lmimmfn on 21 Jan '08
Have to agree with him. Can you ever see a game like Monkey Island coming out now (unless it's a sequel)?

I'd happily loose some of the graphics to get the spark back that simple games like lemmings, worms, monkey island, 2D sonic all had.

Echochrome and Crush are a couple of a dying breed of games that are brilliantly simple in their concept.
jimmygoogle on 21 Jan '08
He's not wrong you know!

You're right, he's not .
Aircool_212 on 21 Jan '08
He's pretty much spot on, especially with the British humor part.
Rare used to king of that area and now you look at them and all their recent games, bar the Conker remake, are all lacking in that regard. Just look at how they turned Perfect Dark into an american style game.

Could be that only the blokes who later left to form Free Radical were the only funny ones? Laughing I mean a lot of the humour in Timesplitters 2 and Second Sight is very British. Unfourtanately TS3 was a bit Americanised as well...

I blame EA.

For Everything.

Laughing
Underdose on 21 Jan '08
Bob on. Even games like STALKER are refreshing because it's a rare gem of a game that hasn't been bastardised by the yanks.
CrispyLog on 21 Jan '08


I blame EA.

For Everything.

Laughing

Agreed, EA are destroying the games industry. Everything that's wrong with the games industry is EA's fault! Very Happy
DG2010 on 21 Jan '08
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scipio_CA on 21 Jan '08
I disagree that you can't find well-developed games done by small teams. You're not going to see that any more with gigantic budget AAA games, but you do still see it at the lower end, especially on PC. Take Aquaria for example. It's a fantastic blending of Ecco and Metroid, and it was developed by two guys. Also look at Portal, the team that developed it wasn't very big but it's had a huge impact since its release.

The reason that you're getting Americanised A-level games is because the US is the largest games market, and because that's often where the investment money to develop those titles. I also feel like he's dismissing the fact that there are still a lot of high-profile games coming out of Japan as well.
NegativeZero on 21 Jan '08
These days an American voice-over in a game puts me right off, it's like they don't care that we're not American or something. COD4 was mostly Brits, which surprissed me, but the Multi-player still used Yank military ranks, which sucked.

Dirt was ruined by that bloody naff voice-over, every race you win(which wasn't hard to do) was followed by this s**tty yank voice telling you how wonderfull and fantastic and sexy(I made the last one up) you are. Felt like he was coming on to you, very creepy. Shocked
ted1138 on 22 Jan '08
Yep it's all gone lazy, programmers used to squeeze 16 bit games on inferior 8 bit machines. These days we get complaints and excuses and just accept we have to upgrade.

I was just speaking to my friend the other day about the hereos in all the games being American. I mean there are more countries out there to source heroes from you know.
vectra on 22 Jan '08
I was just speaking to my friend the other day about the hereos in all the games being American. I mean there are more countries out there to source heroes from you know.

Niko Bellic is Russian so theres 1 non-American hero we can look forward to Very Happy but whether you can call the main character in a GTA game a "hero" is another matter Cool
DG2010 on 22 Jan '08
I was just speaking to my friend the other day about the hereos in all the games being American. I mean there are more countries out there to source heroes from you know.

Niko Bellic is Russian so theres 1 non-American hero we can look forward to Very Happy but whether you can call the main character in a GTA game a "hero" is another matter Cool

OK change hero to Star Laughing The star of the game. I can only thing of a few that aren't American which is pretty bad considering the amount of titles out there. Sonic is from Mobious (I think I forget the precise history) but even he has a US accent. Give him a tropical accent I say to go with the lush first level from the MD days Razz
vectra on 22 Jan '08
I was just speaking to my friend the other day about the hereos in all the games being American. I mean there are more countries out there to source heroes from you know.

Niko Bellic is Russian so theres 1 non-American hero we can look forward to Very Happy but whether you can call the main character in a GTA game a "hero" is another matter Cool

OK change hero to Star Laughing The star of the game. I can only thing of a few that aren't American which is pretty bad considering the amount of titles out there. Sonic is from Mobious (I think I forget the precise history) but even he has a US accent. Give him a tropical accent I say to go with the lush first level from the MD days Razz

The caribbean's fairly lush so why not give sonic a West Indian accent Very Happy that would be quality Laughing What do you think?
DG2010 on 22 Jan '08
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scipio_CA on 22 Jan '08
Hell, Americans freakin love James Bond.

Yeah but come on, who doesn't love James Bond! Very Happy
DG2010 on 23 Jan '08
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scipio_CA on 23 Jan '08
Hell, Americans freakin love James Bond.

Yeah but come on, who doesn't love James Bond! Very Happy

Aside from megalomaniac evil geniuses bent on global terror.. yeah, everyone loves Bond. Very Happy

Well obviously Very Happy even though I think deep down even the megalomaniacs love him, but they couldn't admit that because they'd lose face Very Happy I for one as an English man must admit that I love America (mainly because I love scrubs) Very Happy
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scipio_CA on 23 Jan '08

The caribbean's fairly lush so why not give sonic a West Indian accent Very Happy that would be quality Laughing What do you think?

I think that would be perfect. Even Knuckles should have had a West Indian accent, it looks like it would suit him.

Or am I the only one that thinks this? Shocked
vectra on 23 Jan '08
Scrubs is a good show, definitely America's greatest contribution to the world.

Gigigidty, Family Guy's pretty good too.

Oh yeah, I thinks scrubs is my favourite, you'll get see the final season before me as well Sad I would put family guy a close second though Very Happy
DG2010 on 23 Jan '08

The caribbean's fairly lush so why not give sonic a West Indian accent Very Happy that would be quality Laughing What do you think?

I think that would be perfect. Even Knuckles should have had a West Indian accent, it looks like it would suit him.

Or am I the only one that thinks this? Shocked

No, I'd agree that it would suit knuckles perfectly Very Happy We should pitch the idea to Sega! Very Happy We could be the one's that save the Sonic series Laughing
DG2010 on 23 Jan '08

No, I'd agree that it would suit knuckles perfectly Very Happy We should pitch the idea to Sega! Very Happy We could be the one's that save the Sonic series Laughing

Yes! Let's do it! Let's save Sonic before Sega make another horrible 3D sequel Crying or Very sad
vectra on 23 Jan '08

No, I'd agree that it would suit knuckles perfectly Very Happy We should pitch the idea to Sega! Very Happy We could be the one's that save the Sonic series Laughing

Yes! Let's do it! Let's save Sonic before Sega make another horrible 3D sequel Crying or Very sad

Oh the horror of it, Sonic with a human girl? does not make sense Confused
DG2010 on 23 Jan '08
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