A new advert for the PS3's PlayStation Network has appeared online and it seems to be taking a slight dig at Microsoft's subscription-based Xbox Live model.
"The fun's always free" is the tagline for the ad, pointing out that it costs PlayStation 3 owners precisely bugger all to download content and play online, where as paying Xbox Live Gold subscribers cough up £40 for the same privileges.
Of course you could also argue (and we will) that Xbox Live Marketplace is a superior service to the PlayStation Store (what's with the month-late PS3 demos?) and integrated friend lists also give XBL the edge. But is it really worth the full cost of a game?
If anything, it's great to see that Sony's finally pushing one of the PS3's greatest selling points. If the public starts taking notice of the PS3's online service it can only mean good things for us, and hopefully less wallet pain on the Xbox 360 end too.
Let's just hope Sony doesn't turn round some time this year and start charging for PSN. That would make them look a little silly...
LOL, more like - The free stuff in life is always s**t
I sat for 10 minutes trying to get a demo to show up today, the psn service is so f**king slow it would be quicker to go out and buy the damned game as opposed to waiting for a demo to download.
LOL, more like - The free stuff in life is always s**t
I sat for 10 minutes trying to get a demo to show up today, the psn service is so f**king slow it would be quicker to go out and buy the damned game as opposed to waiting for a demo to download.
My average download time for demos on Xboxlive is 30 mins to 1 hour. And thats for demos averaging between 1.3 - 2.0 Gb, like someone said, you get what you pay for.
PSN has been running fine, playing online all the time.. i wouldnt pay to download demos!
Yet another uninformed comment. You do not have to pay to download demos on the 360.
There are very rare occasions on which having the gold subscription will get you a demo a few days earlier than others - but you do not have pay for demos. Stop ranting and do some research.
And I'm also surprised at CVG - you do realise that downloadable content on the PS3 has charges just like the 360, right?
I'm so sick of all these supposed experts getting everything wrong. And we wonder why the 'normal' media blow everything out of proportion...
EDIT: I'm glad I caught that stupid comment in the quote before you changed it.
Plus one more thing - do you even have any idea what Xbox Live is? It is far more than 'playing online'. I know you're only used to online gaming from your experience with your PS3, so I'll let you off a little.
Xbox Live has been going for 7 years now - and even way back when it first launched, it was hardly just 'playing online'. Seriously, READ or EXPERIENCE before mouthing off.
& yes the Dl do take a insane amount of time. The difference between UK & US content is also insulting. Its ridiculous.
So what? log on to the US store and get it off there.
Its that kind of attitude that has companies treating Europe like s**t forever more. Its because people like you let them. HOw about when games get released in America months before us you fine with that? You may say import - but how long before Sony region lock PS3's with FW - like they did with PSP?
but its even worse - u are ONLY paying to download them QUICKER!
I edited my post to add something extra - go and read it. You are not only paying to download quicker. I suggest you have a look at an xbox 360 before you try and tell me your 'facts'.
Also why the hell cant you download trials of all the full games on PSN? I'd never buy something off there without trying it first. XBL allows you too - which has led to some purchases I wouldnt have even though of.
Don;t understand the debate about the speed; it's never taken me more than 15min to download any demo (even those over 1gb).
I really sick of compies trying to charge us mroe for what should be included in the game price.
What happened to the days when you bought a game and that was it; you could use everything and you didn;t have to keep buy addons to expend the games life-span.
It's not like games are getting cheaper; but they are getting shorter.
but its even worse - u are ONLY paying to download them QUICKER!
I edited my post to add something extra - go and read it. You are not only paying to download quicker. I suggest you have a look at an xbox 360 before you try and tell me your 'facts'.
& yes the Dl do take a insane amount of time. The difference between UK & US content is also insulting. Its ridiculous.
So what? log on to the US store and get it off there.
*hands knee pads*
Sony's butt is over there, do your usual
Seriously though that "oh well just do this attitude" is why you're getting screwed with release dates. As consoles become more like computers regions will matter less and less. HD is a standard which means it's pretty much the same across the board. Before the reason for games being held back for Europe was that the Video system had to be adjusted. Now what's the reason? There are no differently shaped cartridges for each market like there once was, We are all using the same standard of video system and American English is pretty easy to convert over (in some cases they don't even bother doing that).
For the industry to ever change gamers really have to start speaking with their wallets like they once did.
The 360 service has always been good and I agree that Ł40.00 a year is'nt too bad. However, recently the service has probably been worse than the psn. If a service is free and you have problems then you can't really complain. It is different with xbox live though. Any problems should have been sorted out immediately because that is what we pay for.
Bringing demo's into the equation seems pointless to me. I just want to be able to play games online without any hassle. Psn allows you to do this with very few teathing problems (e.g, cod4) so it seems very petty to complain. Once sony sorts out the xmb then that Ł40.00 that we pay to microsoft will suddenly seem very expensive.
All I can say is. Make the most of the free service. Sony is a business and are in this to make money. At the moment the "service" is free basically because they are playing catch up to xbox live, once, if ever they both become on a par, I can see Sony starting to charge. Like a drug dealer getting you hooked then charging you.
Also it seems Sony are looking at other ways to charge you for the "service" eg singstar. I mean its a blu-ray disc with masses of space but to put that pitiful amount of songs on the game and then ask 99p per extra song is one way of getting money from suckers oops I mean customers. They could have fit a damn sight more songs on there and still had singstore, but oh no they know that less on the actual game means more peeps needing extra content. Think about it if you were Sony would you keep the service free????
I'd just like to add the most I've ever paid for 12 month subscription to Live is Ł30, so I'm not sure where people get "Ł40" from.
That works out as Ł2.50/month which is a cracking deal if you ask me, the matchmaking in Live is much better and more integrated than PSN. I hope PSN catches up since I am considering a PS3 purchase in 2009, and it'll be nice having a free service. However to suggest PSN is anything close to Live in terms of usability and features is just talking bollox. A silver membership on live will let you download demo's, movies etc for nothing, you only have to pay if you wish to play multiplayer.
EDIT: I'm glad I caught that stupid comment in the quote before you changed it.
Plus one more thing - do you even have any idea what Xbox Live is? It is far more than 'playing online'. I know you're only used to online gaming from your experience with your PS3, so I'll let you off a little.
Xbox Live has been going for 7 years now - and even way back when it first launched, it was hardly just 'playing online'. Seriously, READ or EXPERIENCE before mouthing off.
why are u glad? u shot yourself in the foot. u dont have to pay for the demos, but just to get them quicker, not even at all.
whats this experience?! 7 year on still no tv downloads. when they do appear an MS person was quoted as saying u can delete stuff (cause of that big 20 gig hd) then redownload them when u want. SO THATS why xbl downloads quicker!
face it, its not worth the money.
Did you just forget what this conversation was about, or are you just so pent up with anger that you have no idea what you're saying?
I will ignore everything in that quote, as it seems to be random things you can't understand.
But I will reply to the only thing that made sense: "face it, its not worth the money" - are you seriously trying to tell me - a guy that got the Xbox Live Beta way back on the original Xbox and has been subscribed for its entire lifespan up to now - that it's not worth the money? When you yourself have probably never even seen a screenshot of the interface? Give me a break.
Everything about Xbox Live is unified. Every game uses the same friends list, everything is cross-referenced, everything can communicate to everything ALL the time. I can be in a game having a voice chat with my mate who's watching a DVD in America. Someone can invite the both of us and have us join an XBL arcade game. We can do all this without ever having to stop what we're doing - no going back to the dashboard.
Everything is integrated 100%. Even without having the ability to play games online, the service is worth Ł39.99 a YEAR. That is an amazing price, I dont care who you are. Even PC gaming doesnt give you the level of interactivity or community that you get with Xbox Live (I'm talking in-game).
Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you're right, because there are far too many people here that actually subscribe to Live for you to fool anybody with your crap. It's quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about - and you're probably just trying to make yourself feel better about your online gaming.
Xbox Live has had huge efforts put into it, especially in terms of making industry standards. That is the reason Xbox Live has a subscription fee - and that is the reason PSN will fail unless they also start charging. You gotta pay staff to run things this huge, you know.
really? XBL has been f**ked for over 2 months and it was impossible to get a good game.
so u actually DONT get what u pay for u mean!
PSN has been running fine, playing online all the time..
i wouldnt be happy if i payed Ł40 for the "privelage" of playing other gamers, then i couldnt get a game at all! especially since PSN has no problems in online gaming.
one of the main reasons of NEXT GEN is online gaming. u dont get that out the box with a 360.
so what are u paying for? ps3 users game online for f**k all, so u are paying Ł40 a year to download demos quicker?! thats worth it!
360 has been out for its 3rd year.. Ł90 thats cost u for something ps3 users get free, but at least your demo download quicker!
2 Months??? It's been affected sporadically for about 3 weeks, and most people, like myself, were only affected for 1 day.
I tried to download a Ratchet and Clank demo on Friday from PSN and it's still going! this is the same internet connection (wireless) that's downloaded numerous torrent files to my laptop and desktop, and 10 Live Arcade games to my Elite.
Fair enough, you can game for free on the PS3, but there's only a handful of people to actually play against and the network performance is dismal! Maybe the MGS4 rumours of having to pay subs to play online will actually bring a decent standard of support with it, as wll as make sure that Sony keeps its promise by THEM not charging you to play online.
Although I don't play a lot of games online, I can't say a bad word against the PSN as I've encountered far less lag in PS3 games than I have in Xbox 360 ones over the past year. UTIII has been as enjoyable to play online as any PC game I've played over the years and that's restricted to US-only servers at the moment! Very impressive, all things considered. As a casual online gamer, the PS3's free service obviously suits me far more than the Ł40 per annum LIVE one. IMO, if you want to entice people to online gaming, you DON'T ask them to pay Ł40 a year to do so!!! So in that respect Sony have the potential to attract more gamers to their service than Microsoft have to the subscription-only Xbox LIVE gaming service.
In fact, Xbox LIVE periodically freezes my Xbox 360 from time to time for upwards of a minute when accessing my Friends list so I'm not too impressed with that (it's happened on three different Xbox 360s so I know it's not a hardware fault). I've never had that happen once on the PS3 so that's a big plus. Having been an online PC gamer for years, long before Xbox LIVE appeared, I'm used to not conversing with people online via headsets or having a buddy list so their slapdash inclusion on PSN doesn't bother me; it is after all a free service so that is perfectly acceptable IMO.
EDIT: I'm glad I caught that stupid comment in the quote before you changed it.
Plus one more thing - do you even have any idea what Xbox Live is? It is far more than 'playing online'. I know you're only used to online gaming from your experience with your PS3, so I'll let you off a little.
Xbox Live has been going for 7 years now - and even way back when it first launched, it was hardly just 'playing online'. Seriously, READ or EXPERIENCE before mouthing off.
why are u glad? u shot yourself in the foot. u dont have to pay for the demos, but just to get them quicker, not even at all.
whats this experience?! 7 year on still no tv downloads. when they do appear an MS person was quoted as saying u can delete stuff (cause of that big 20 gig hd) then redownload them when u want. SO THATS why xbl downloads quicker!
face it, its not worth the money.
Did you just forget what this conversation was about, or are you just so pent up with anger that you have no idea what you're saying?
I will ignore everything in that quote, as it seems to be random things you can't understand.
But I will reply to the only thing that made sense: "face it, its not worth the money" - are you seriously trying to tell me - a guy that got the Xbox Live Beta way back on the original Xbox and has been subscribed for its entire lifespan up to now - that it's not worth the money? When you yourself have probably never even seen a screenshot of the interface? Give me a break.
Everything about Xbox Live is unified. Every game uses the same friends list, everything is cross-referenced, everything can communicate to everything ALL the time. I can be in a game having a voice chat with my mate who's watching a DVD in America. Someone can invite the both of us and have us join an XBL arcade game. We can do all this without ever having to stop what we're doing - no going back to the dashboard.
Everything is integrated 100%. Even without having the ability to play games online, the service is worth Ł39.99 a YEAR. That is an amazing price, I dont care who you are. Even PC gaming doesnt give you the level of interactivity or community that you get with Xbox Live (I'm talking in-game).
Stop trying so hard to convince everyone that you're right, because there are far too many people here that actually subscribe to Live for you to fool anybody with your crap. It's quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about - and you're probably just trying to make yourself feel better about your online gaming.
Xbox Live has had huge efforts put into it, especially in terms of making industry standards. That is the reason Xbox Live has a subscription fee - and that is the reason PSN will fail unless they also start charging. You gotta pay staff to run things this huge, you know.
MrXBob you are a gentleman and a scholar. i'm actually suprised vercetti hasn't resorted to name calling yet. go check out the pay for EA trax thread and you'll see what i'm on about. disagree with him and he starts with the gay jokes. like a little school boy. i have both ps3 and the 360 and the online service for the 360 is way better than the ps3 one. but as its already been said "you get what you pay for". must say though that i think the demo download times are about the same on both machines. and pro evo's unplayable online on the ps3 but i'll keep the ps3 one cause it just plays better with a d-pad
I too have this speed problem of getting demos from PSN, its shockingly cr@P. Got 20 meg connection, 1 gb demo on live is 10-15 mins....PSN its 4+ hours and I havnt got a clue why While live has been playing up recently for some ppl it has been great before then with no problems. If sony copy live and improve it and still make it free, then i will def cancel my live sub, but till then i'll keep spending my Ł30 a year for a great unfied service that live offers (tho I wont be for the next 4 weeks or so, damn that ROD)
End of the day everyone wants to have fun playing games, why ppl have such alligance to console companies and treat them like a religon i dont know, they only want your money, couldnt give a monkeys about yourselves !!!!
There's a few things that WILL happen in the future here.
Either, MS see that Sony aren't charging for the same service, and MS will be forced to drop their charges to compete. This is highly unlikely, knowing both companies and their love of the almightly dollar.
Or, Sony will see that MS are charging for the same service, so will add a payment service just like XBL. Again unlikely, as Sony would lose face, especially considering the recent advert.
Or lastly, Sony will see that MS are charging for the same service, realise they would lose face if they did the same, but wanted a piece of that action, so will introduce a 'per game' charge (much like the suggestion that MGS Online will have). This will be a negligable cost, maybe only a couple of quid a month per game you wish to play. Because it'll be a 'per month' charge, it'll appear cheaper, and because it won't be every game, PS3 owners will be of the opinion that it is still a vastly superior service to XBL. Eventually more and more games with online content will go this way, and PS3 owners will end up paying as much, if not more, to play online as their 360 counterparts - albeit in little bits rather than one go.
It's unfortunate, but at least we're not paying around the same level that MMO players pay (approx 9 quid PER MONTH for ONE game).
End of the day everyone wants to have fun playing games, why ppl have such alligance to console companies and treat them like a religon i dont know, they only want your money, couldnt give a monkeys about yourselves !!!!
Give this man a bannana. Spot on!
Nintendo, Sony & MS are all t**ts that are after your money & thats it. Why are you trying to defend each of them with your lives?
really? XBL has been f**ked for over 2 months and it was impossible to get a good game.
so u actually DONT get what u pay for u mean!
PSN has been running fine, playing online all the time..
i wouldnt be happy if i payed Ł40 for the "privelage" of playing other gamers, then i couldnt get a game at all! especially since PSN has no problems in online gaming.
one of the main reasons of NEXT GEN is online gaming. u dont get that out the box with a 360.
so what are u paying for? ps3 users game online for f**k all, so u are paying Ł40 a year to download demos quicker?! thats worth it!
360 has been out for its 3rd year.. Ł90 thats cost u for something ps3 users get free, but at least your demo download quicker!
the consoles what are out now are not next-gen the next-gen is when nintendo microsoft and sony bring out there next consoles
The only reason the PlayStation network is running fine currently is because no one is using it to play online.
Seriously, other than maybe some WarHawk action and some spbottom CoD 4 games, there isn't jack going on with the PlayStation network worth dropping $499.99 (U.S.) for. Add to that the p**s-poor lack of standards (no unified friends list across all games, no voice chat standard, no one using voice chat when it is available (especially sucks in team matches...), and you start to see what the PlayStation network is free from: Fun.
someone takes your side so u stick your tongue up his bottom. f**king loser.
Better than sticking your tongue up Sonys bottom you tool
f**kin idiot. only reason i bought a ps3 was because my 360 failed (x2)
ill pay for extra for a quality machine
and that other guy.. 360 and ps3 are next gen. nintendo choose a simple machine on purpose. partly cause they can never compete spec wise and partly cause they are an innovative company.
Yeah, I think you did I've jus been watching the arguement boil over and its hilarious Although I do feel that vercetti102 should of just kept quiet rather than let MrXBob and ensabahnur take the p**s out of him. Shame on you 2 ganging up on him though. There was no need for ensabahnur to start as well, MrXbob was doing alright on his own! Why don't you both start on me?, Yes Vercetti102 is favouring Sony big time but do you think people reading your comments will have any respect for you either?
One thing everyone here forgot to mention is that some online gaming on PSN is at an extra charge, take Warhawk for example, if you wanna play online as well as offline you have to pay for 2 different versions of the game and MGS4 is gonna be the same story, 2 versions of the game 1 for online and 1 for offline, what a shame and a con. At least on 360 you don't have to pay no extra to play a game online. XBL beats PSN hands down it went down around christmas sporadically on and off for a while (I only had probs for 1 day too). Due to mass usage and newcomers to the service. This just goes to how popular it is and Ł35 a year is well worth it, how much do you pay for sky just to sit and watch tv? Average Ł30 a month? Not many complain about that and thousands pay it.
Yeah, I think you did I've jus been watching the arguement boil over and its hilarious Although I do feel that vercetti102 should of just kept quiet rather than let MrXBob and ensabahnur take the p**s out of him. Shame on you 2 ganging up on him though. There was no need for ensabahnur to start as well, MrXbob was doing alright on his own! Why don't you both start on me?, Yes Vercetti102 is favouring Sony big time but do you think people reading your comments will have any respect for you either?
no its just this vercetti bugger who keeps slagging people off who don't share his views. i at least understand not everyone feels the same way about things and i respect that. it just p**ses me off when someone starts calling you gay and an asslicker cause you don't agree with them. reeks of fanboyism.
Yeah, I think you did I've jus been watching the arguement boil over and its hilarious Although I do feel that vercetti102 should of just kept quiet rather than let MrXBob and ensabahnur take the p**s out of him. Shame on you 2 ganging up on him though. There was no need for ensabahnur to start as well, MrXbob was doing alright on his own! Why don't you both start on me?, Yes Vercetti102 is favouring Sony big time but do you think people reading your comments will have any respect for you either?
how am i? i said XBL is not worth the money and told u why.
and these 2 "ganging up on me" virtual thugs.
and Xbob wasnt doing alright on his own. his arguement was XBL is worth 40 quid a year because it is a "complete experience". aye right.
Yes but you have just praised/defended Sony constantly and not given any credit to MS for what is an excellent online service.
It's both amazing and sad that the sheer power of fanboyism//brand loyalty can lead to so many defending the undefendable i.e. Microsoft charging for XBL.
To Vercetti102: I have a PS3 and have never had an XBox 360 so I am not favouring MS but I have played on XBox live on my friends 360 and it is much better than the PSN. Maybe when the XMB becomes more integrated into online gaming we will see a better PSN but until then, XBox live is worth the money for a superior service
To be honest i've kinda given up with my xbox and live. I just can't take the constant break downs and the fees. I'm fine with my PC and PS3 thanks don't have to pay anything for PC's online either but you still get an awesome online experience.
Many are happy with PSN being free and all that stuff. Just wait, though. When Home comes out, that will change.
No corporation makes a huge, detailed world like "Home" is going to be...and not charge somewhere or somehow for it. If that was the case, World of Warcraft would've been free.
Give it time. Enjoy it while you can. Then relax, bend over, & enjoy.
Either way, XBL needs to straighten up...it'll happen though. Hopefully sooner than later.
but these improvements coming for the ps3 that already exist on 360 arent what u subscribe for.. so its already a rip-off is it not?!
silver members that pay nothing already have these features.
Yes but whats to say Sony wont eventually charge us? I wont pay for the use of online gaming anyway which is why I dont have an XBox 360. I also think that the PS3 is a long term investment which is why I chose it
a premium subscriber service going down? charging yearly for what i get for free?
credit would be due if XBL was free but its not.
i just dont think it offers much more than PSN, and certainly not Ł40 a year more. as cvg questioned themselves.
So how would you compare the likes of EverQuest, World of Warcraft etc (approx Ł9 PER MONTH) to GuildWars (free). Is WoW a complete rip off, do you get as good a service on GuildWars?
Not taking sides, merely suggesting that what one company does doesn't mean that every other company that does the opposite is wrong.
i dont know exactly what home is but it looks like one of they gay online communities, like 'the sims' where losers without real lifes congruate, i dont know what that has to do with achievements.
they just made an ad saying the fun is ALWAYS free...
i suspect u will be be to buy s**te like apartments, land space, hotels with real cash, like u can do with they mad pc games. that would be a cash inflow. there will be many ways to milk cash out of it but i think the main thing will stay free. a bit like 360 silver accounts are free.
The whole point of home is to try and unite the online PS3 community, it's trying to go one better than live by giving you a vitrual avatar and while it does reek of second life all it really does is provide an interface for the xmb.
And vercetti I don't think i've known anyone on this forum ever that causes more controversy than yourself, while I think everyone is entitled to an opinion I think you should take some chill pills once in a while and lay off the wifebeater juice!
Well, if vercetti102 doesnt like xbox live, then why doesnt he jus ignore it. No one is making you buy it, its a decision you can MAKE YOURSELF. If you want to pay to play online, surely its upto the consumer. He seems to have made the decision to buy a PS3 and thts his choice. Im happy with my decision to buy a 360 and Live. Sure it was down for a few weeks, but hey, its the first time it's happened for me and this is the 2nd year i've had Live so tbh its not really tht big a deal. And to those tht wanted to play online on xmas day...why? It was a family time and tht seems a little anti-social to me lol
All I can say is. Make the most of the free service. Sony is a business and are in this to make money. At the moment the "service" is free basically because they are playing catch up to xbox live, once, if ever they both become on a par, I can see Sony starting to charge. Like a drug dealer getting you hooked then charging you.
Also it seems Sony are looking at other ways to charge you for the "service" eg singstar. I mean its a blu-ray disc with masses of space but to put that pitiful amount of songs on the game and then ask 99p per extra song is one way of getting money from suckers oops I mean customers. They could have fit a damn sight more songs on there and still had singstore, but oh no they know that less on the actual game means more peeps needing extra content. Think about it if you were Sony would you keep the service free????
he makes a good point
Im happy with paying for live, I have many school friends that have it and we all agree that Ł35 a year is a great price for the service, and I will admit that its been terrible and still is and I won't make excuses for them, its terrible the way their paying customers have been treated over the holiday season (my 360 blew up 5 days before crimbo, so I had no 360 whatsoever)
I have spoken to a few people about the comparison of live to PSN, and they say PSN is good ,but live is outstanding (especially COD4 live to COD4 PSN)
I'll make a couple of obvious points regarding Live being considered to be a superior service at the moment:
1) You're paying for it so it bloody well should be. 2) XBL is over 5 years old, PSN has barely started. I think it's safe to assume that PSN will improve with time.
One thing everyone here forgot to mention is that some online gaming on PSN is at an extra charge, take Warhawk for example, if you wanna play online as well as offline you have to pay for 2 different versions of the game and MGS4 is gonna be the same story, 2 versions of the game 1 for online and 1 for offline, what a shame and a con. At least on 360 you don't have to pay no extra to play a game online. XBL beats PSN hands down it went down around christmas sporadically on and off for a while (I only had probs for 1 day too). Due to mass usage and newcomers to the service. This just goes to how popular it is and Ł35 a year is well worth it, how much do you pay for sky just to sit and watch tv? Average Ł30 a month? Not many complain about that and thousands pay it.
calling me a fanboy?! your making s**t up.
did u know warhawk is online ONLY? u cant play it as a single player. u pay the Ł20 for THE GAME!
in fact i should have enbolded your full post.. that is pure fanboyism
"XBL beats PSN hands down it went down around christmas sporadically on and off for a while (I only had probs for 1 day too). Due to mass usage and newcomers to the service. This just goes to how popular it is and Ł35 a year is well worth it"
lets see XBL beats PSN hands down cause it went down? and this only shows how popular it is?! yes thats well worth Ł35 (and we know it was f**king up much more than 1 day - more lies)
The only lyer here is you, your clearly a Sony fanboy and yes I know Warhawk is a downloadable game (although not only downloadable only so check your facts) you clearly have only the online version thats why you can't play single player on your version you cretin! My 360 went down in the evening that I tried it in question, I tried it the next day and it was fine (as opposed to my PS3 which is rarely turned on!). Your argument is based purely on lies, misinformation and your fairytale belief that everything Sony does is brilliant! Get a life and check facts before you argue or you'll just continue to embarass yourself like you have done here!
. And vercetti I don't think i've known anyone on this forum ever that causes more controversy than yourself
Haha Agreed, I tried defend him and he started on me which I found hilarious and he basically got the p**s taken out of him anyway, he doesn't help himself
I'd just like to add the most I've ever paid for 12 month subscription to Live is Ł30, so I'm not sure where people get "Ł40" from.
That works out as Ł2.50/month which is a cracking deal if you ask me, the matchmaking in Live is much better and more integrated than PSN. I hope PSN catches up since I am considering a PS3 purchase in 2009
how do you know what service is better? you're hoping to buy a PS3 in 2009! I've used both and there really isn't much between them.
. And vercetti I don't think i've known anyone on this forum ever that causes more controversy than yourself
Haha Agreed, I tried defend him and he started on me which I found hilarious and he basically got the p**s taken out of him anyway, he doesn't help himself
You should check your facts buddy before you start attacking Playstation articles and fellow forumites. Warhawk is only online and the retail version comes with a blue tooth headset. I repeat it is an online only game.
For the rest of you how can you defend a company for charging you for what their biggest competitor does not?
If MS cared about you as much as some of the fanboys on this site cared about MS, attacking every piece of Playstation news then you guys would have free online.
Sony have made many mistakes but how you guys can criticize free online is beyond me.
Can we all calm down and take a chill pill... Lets face it, both services have their selling points. When I owned a 360 I never had any problems with the live service - I would go as far to say it was nigh on perfect. My only gripe was the subscription charges to play online. I felt that I needed to play online so that I could say that I had had my money's worth. Now I own a PS3 I can play online for nothing and it's great. Sure, the service needs to improve to get more people onboard, but the fact that it's free doesn't give me the privilege to slag it off. It has it's faults like the slower downloads, but I think I can live with that. Lets give both companies credit for bringing online gaming to the masses and hope that this rivalry will benefit us the consumer...
& yes the Dl do take a insane amount of time. The difference between UK & US content is also insulting. Its ridiculous.
So what? log on to the US store and get it off there.
*hands knee pads*
Sony's butt is over there, do your usual
Seriously though that "oh well just do this attitude" is why you're getting screwed with release dates. As consoles become more like computers regions will matter less and less. HD is a standard which means it's pretty much the same across the board. Before the reason for games being held back for Europe was that the Video system had to be adjusted. Now what's the reason? There are no differently shaped cartridges for each market like there once was, We are all using the same standard of video system and American English is pretty easy to convert over (in some cases they don't even bother doing that).
For the industry to ever change gamers really have to start speaking with their wallets like they once did.
The main reason that games got held back during the good ol' cartridge days were not only due to PAL optimisations (which most never even bothered to do anyway, hence slower speeds and borders). Mainly the delays were down to language translation. Remember that it's not only English that the game needs to be translated into, but German, French, Italian etc.
A lot of games unfortunately never even made it out of American soil partly due to this reason, which is why importing will always be option a lot of gamers must turn to.
You should check your facts buddy before you start attacking Playstation articles and fellow forumites. Warhawk is only online and the retail version comes with a blue tooth headset. I repeat it is an online only game.
For the rest of you how can you defend a company for charging you for what their biggest competitor does not?
If MS cared about you as much as some of the fanboys on this site cared about MS, attacking every piece of Playstation news then you guys would have free online.
Sony have made many mistakes but how you guys can criticize free online is beyond me.
Hey, if you ever want major plastic surgery then don't worry about expensive Harley Street medical bills. I've got my own kitchen knives and a sewing kit, I'll do it for free.
Unfair comparison? Maybe, PSN isn't that bad, but I really wish that people would get over the idea that just because something is free it is beyond criticism. It's like these annoying telesales people who phone you up and offer you something for free in order to tempt you into subscribing to their service.
If I am not interested in something, I am not interested in something regardless of price. Equally, if something is of sub-standard quality compared to its competition then price may not be a deciding factor. It's a cost/value judgement, and the opinion of several million people over the last 7 years seems to be that Xbox Live fulfils its cost/value proposition more satisfactorily than PSN.
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