Microsoft is rumoured to be cutting the price of its Xbox 360 in a little over one week's time. Here comes the fight for Grand Theft Auto IV's sales.
When we first heard about a possible price cut, we immediately thought it was an odd time for such a move. But GTA IV will be with us at the end of April and that means big business for Sony and Microsoft.
TechRadar reports the price of every Xbox 360 SKU is to be slashed by 50 Euros on March 14 across Europe and cites "well-placed games industry sources".
Grand Theft Auto is famously associated with the PlayStation brand, but with 360 scooping exclusive downloadable content, this could be Microsoft's biggest chance at truly breaking the mass market with 360. And that's something Microsoft wants to happen more than the resurrection of HD-DVD.
Microsoft wouldn't comment on the rumour when contacted, but we didn't really expect details if this does turn out to be true. That'd be a week of full price sales down the toilet. And every little helps.
Either way, it'll be interesting to see which way the sales of GTA IV go - PS3 or 360? The results should keep those analysts busy for a while. Let us know which version you'll be scooping up and why in the comments section below.
And if true, that'll mean 360's cheaper than Wii, as pointed out in the comments section. Well the ones without a hard drive anyway...
Makes sense really. GTA4 is a huge game and from what we've seen, MS and Rockstar are really pushing the 360 version as the lead version. I guess MS want sales to also reflect this. Something that also wasn't pointed out in the article is that this will mean 360 is cheaper than Wii! Will this force Nintendo into a price drop? I hope so as it's LONG over due one...
Well 360, like I've already said in another thread.
I only have a 360, I got it fixed over christmas and missed out on the, admittedly s**t, Undertow as a result....if the console breaks in April I will burn Microsoft to the ground.
Fingers crossed, this will replace Halo 3 and Rez as my most played.
they should severely reduce every 360 out there until the jasper gets out - its a known faulty product. everything that isnt a 65nm GPU (which isnt even out yet) could definately potentially fail. if it was a safety thing every single 360 would be recalled. but its not - its just ripping off customers.
The 65nm GPU has been out since last fall. You can tell which it is as it's the one that has the HDMI slot. Please take your PS3 fanboyism else where...
I have a feeling that there might be a bombshell of "online play only on 360" looming. A friend of mine did a survey on the advertising for GTA4 for 360 and it was pushing the idea of online play very heavily, one or two of the ads even went as far as to say exclusive.
Maybe its just that they want people to think its better online on 360 or something though...but imagine they did that, whoa. Seems unlikely though in fairness!
if this is true, it'll be a welcome move, although the 360 is still a reasonable buy at the moment anyway. With any luck, this might prompt Sony to make the PS3 a more reasonable price, too, so I might even get round to picking up a PS3 at some point.
Makes sense really. GTA4 is a huge game and from what we've seen, MS and Rockstar are really pushing the 360 version as the lead version. I guess MS want sales to also reflect this. Something that also wasn't pointed out in the article is that this will mean 360 is cheaper than Wii! Will this force Nintendo into a price drop? I hope so as it's LONG over due one...
Also, 360 version of GTA4 for me.
Just wait till you hear the news that GTA4 on 360 runs with a better frame-rate and quicker loading times. My tatty's have just been kicked. Oh well, at least PS3 version has warm colours!?!
they should severely reduce every 360 out there until the jasper gets out - its a known faulty product. everything that isnt a 65nm GPU (which isnt even out yet) could definately potentially fail. if it was a safety thing every single 360 would be recalled. but its not - its just ripping off customers.
The 65nm GPU has been out since last fall. You can tell which it is as it's the one that has the HDMI slot. Please take your PS3 fanboyism else where...
f**k off. thats the 65nm CPU falcon.
the 65nm GPU jaspers arent out yet.
its not fanboyism, the 360 is a faulty console. (i owned one before my ps3)
The Falcon reduced the heat output by using a less complex cooling system. All the Jasper does is mildly cut the heat output of a few components. To put it blunt, there is very little chance of getting the 3 red lights with a Falcon based console, unless of course you're a muppet and keep it in an enclosed environment with other electronics that output alot of heat (Sky+ box etc). Yes, 360 obviously has issues, it's well reported. I think it's something like 13% failure rate, which is very poor. This wouldn't have become as huge if MS didn't come out and address the issue by giving us a 3 year warrenty, unlike Sony who had similar issues with lasers failing in PS2's (i owned 3 PS2's because of that) and failed to do anything about it except release a newer model in the end.
Instead of cutting the price just fix the f**kin machine!!On day one everybody is going to on this game for a long time so how many 360's are gonna go pop?Come on Microsoft sort it out.
Gah, i have both consoles and despite the extra content think i will enjoy it more on the ps3 simply because every other version of it ive owned on playstation consoles. The 3660 one is certainly more appealing though.
As for a price cut i reckon the core at £150, premium at £225, and elite at £280.
not sure this will help, Msoft are closing in on xbox 1 life time sales and I doubt there many new potential owners who will be swayed by this, I believe the 360 sales will stagnate over the next 12 months, because if you don't already have a 360 then your unlikely to get one now, unless there counting on parents to buy the console and games for under 18's.
Something that also wasn't pointed out in the article is that this will mean 360 is cheaper than Wii! Will this force Nintendo into a price drop? I hope so as it's LONG over due one...
Of course not, because when it suits them (like it will in this instance) Nintendo will simply state that they're competing in a different space to MS and Sony.
Anyway, I don't believe most DLC is unavailable at the time of development. I think it far more likely that its a nice additional "revenue stream" as the suits put it, to bring the pennies rolling in post-sale.
So whilst I'll be buying the 360 version, I intend to boycott all but the most convincingly fresh DLC that costs over 400 points. Anything that looks like it's been held back just to put money in R* and Microsoft's coffers can sod off.
have to agree with vonhammer on this. i cant see it selling a whole load of consols to new folk. most serious gamers will already have one. i have both consols and 360 for me just down to the controller being far superior.
Tough decision. Play it on a console that sounds like a vacum cleaner and can break at any second. Or a quiet, reliable console. Hmmmmmm, let me think
Can you tell that I'm a two-time RROD victim? LOL
No I can tell your a PS3 fanboy!! Seriously though I have both (my launch model 360 died but MS fixed it then I traded it in for an Elite which has a far less failure rate and is also quieter then the original) and I'll be getting it on 360 for the DLC and the achievements. The fact that the 360 core will be cheaper then a Wii will hopefully get Nintendo dropping their price, then I might be persuaded to purchase another Wii (I sold my last one due to bordom!)
they should severely reduce every 360 out there until the jasper gets out - its a known faulty product. everything that isnt a 65nm GPU (which isnt even out yet) could definately potentially fail. if it was a safety thing every single 360 would be recalled. but its not - its just ripping off customers.
The 65nm GPU has been out since last fall. You can tell which it is as it's the one that has the HDMI slot. Please take your PS3 fanboyism else where...
f**k off. thats the 65nm CPU falcon.
the 65nm GPU jaspers arent out yet. IDIOT.
its not fanboyism, the 360 is a faulty console. (i owned one before my ps3)
well mine still works so up yours. you have a serious chip on your shoulder
they should severely reduce every 360 out there until the jasper gets out - its a known faulty product. everything that isnt a 65nm GPU (which isnt even out yet) could definately potentially fail. if it was a safety thing every single 360 would be recalled. but its not - its just ripping off customers.
The 65nm GPU has been out since last fall. You can tell which it is as it's the one that has the HDMI slot. Please take your PS3 fanboyism else where...
f**k off. thats the 65nm CPU falcon.
the 65nm GPU jaspers arent out yet. IDIOT.
its not fanboyism, the 360 is a faulty console. (i owned one before my ps3)
well mine still works so up yours. you have a serious chip on your shoulder
Regardless of how much MS reduce the price of 360, it's still going to be noted for it's high failure rate.
For me this was the biggest factor in me buying a PS3 instead of a 360. I don't want to spend a lot of money on a console that may very well pack up on me. MS rushed the 360 into the market to get a headstart on Sony which is all very well and good. They have that right. They also have a responsibility to release a product that works properly and is not subject to massive problems like the 360 is. Regardless of all the technical arguments 360 fanboys put forward about the new model 360's being more reliable the elephant in the room remains the fact that 360 should never have been so bad to begin with.
I'm not a fanboy,I just want the best product available to me, regardless of who is making it. Quality is important, and 360 has had some huge games and delivered a reportedly fantastic online service but none of this counts for anything if the machine itself is in constant danger of breaking down.
As for GTA IV, I'll obviously be playing it on my ps3. And those 360 exclusives? Well I'm sure I'll survive without them when I'm playing MGS4.
Just to clarify. My last dead 360 was the latest motherboard version with HDMI. THAT is why I am now a PS3 fanboy. Microsoft was taking the p**s and I didn't like it.
Already have the collectors edition pre-ordered and paid for on the PS3. Would be absolutely hilarious if the exclusive 'downloadable' content for the 360, was pre-packed into the PS3 version because Blu-Ray can actually hold it all. doubtful, but it would be funny.
I will be getting the 360 version simply because i own a 360, no other reason. I have no intention of getting a ps3 as i have a massive network of friends and family who already own 360's and with whom i meet regularly over Xbox live. Why would i abandon that? Seems pointless to me. Both machines appear to be very similar in all other respects so forking out another 300 quid on another machine is not happening.
Apparently the framerates a bit better on the 360 so that's the one I'd get. However I'd probably buy the PS3 version cos a bit sick of RROD on my 360 (got hit a couple weeks back). I'll stick with short games on the 360, but for lengthy games the PS3. When I get into a game the last thing I need is time out for friggin repairs. Imagine if this was sex!
all those of you mentioning the RROD- I can only say this.
I've had it twice now, on the same machine. Its annoying, yes. But both times i called MS, it was collected within 2 days and returned inside a week. Both times, it cost me nothing.
In comparison, my PS2 laser packed up just outside the warranty period, like so many others did (though I'm sure it wasn't the 13%+ like the 360's failure rate, to be fair), and Sony charged £35 for the repair itself, plus shipping costs. And it took much longer than a week, too.
Granted, that was a while ago, and granted, I *was* outside of the warranty period. But whilst the RROD is pretty shabby, all it takes is a call to MS and a week without a console to fix it. Annoying, yes. Shouldn't be happening, no. But at least it doesn't cost anything to get it fixed.
I'll be getting this on PS3 as I dont buy multi platform games anymore on 360.
360 breaks, its as simple as that. Ive done three now, and I am not gonna buy GTA4 and miss out on 5 weeks of playing just because GTA RRoD's my 4th 360.
DL content? I'm sure that GTA4 will last long enough for the content to become avaible on PS3 too. San andreas took long enough to do so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Once Jaspers are given out to RRoD suffers, then I might change my mind.
I own a PS3 and Xbox 360 but decided to pre-order GTA IV for the latter not because of the DLC (which I'm not particularly bothered about anyway) but because I had a feeling at the time that the PS3 might not be as good based on other substandard multiformat games on the platform (will it have anti-aliasing for example?).
Rockstar admitted that the reason the game was delayed from its original October 2007 release date was partly due to problems with the PS3 version so has set alarm bells ringing in my head. Whatever, the Xbox 360 version sounds like it might be the more polished of the two (since it was more or less completed last year) but if the reviews say otherwise then I can easily cancel it and reorder it for the PS3 instead. Burnout Paradise and Devil May Cry 4 were both excellent on the PS3 after all so there's no reason why GTA IV shouldn't be as good as the 360 version.
P.S. It's about time the Xbox 360 had a massive price drop; it's absolutely necessary if Microsoft want to avoid the flatlining sales in mainland Europe.
Makes sense really. GTA4 is a huge game and from what we've seen, MS and Rockstar are really pushing the 360 version as the lead version. I guess MS want sales to also reflect this. Something that also wasn't pointed out in the article is that this will mean 360 is cheaper than Wii! Will this force Nintendo into a price drop? I hope so as it's LONG over due one...
Also, 360 version of GTA4 for me.
Why would they drop the price of the wii, still flying from the stores!
ill probuly get the 360 version cus thats all i have but would probubly get the 360 version anyway. but so many here are on about the RROD and it gets me thinking, do you look after your consoles? im not bitching its just a question, cus ivehad mine for a good while, its on a wooden drawers, mid high in air and plenty of circulation of air, and not a single thing wrong with my 360 since i got it a few months after its launch. my bro's was a launch console (sort of) it has broken 2, but first time he sent it came back after a few wekks (probubly cus of the high number at the time) but broke again after a few minutes play XD wasnt happy, sent it back again and they sent a completly new console (after a week) - he did pay for it, then the extended warrenty kicked in and gave him his money back. and has been perfect since. id say the earlier 360s, seem to have a very high rate of dieing, but the later ones are ok usually (if you look after them and keep them cool) as its never happened to anyone else i know personally.
i have both a 360 and PS3 so im not a fanboy. I am definitely going to purchase the 360 edition for a number of reasons. 1. achievements 2. Xbox live has much more social capabilities in multiplayer compared to PSN 3. Exclusive content 4. Everyone I know is getting it on 360 5. Personally I prefer the 360 controller
its ironic that im writing this message using the PS3
I own a PS3 and Xbox 360 but decided to pre-order GTA IV for the latter not because of the DLC (which I'm not particularly bothered about anyway) but because I had a feeling at the time that the PS3 might not be as good based on other substandard multiformat games on the platform (will it have anti-aliasing for example?).
Rockstar admitted that the reason the game was delayed from its original October 2007 release date was partly due to problems with the PS3 version so has set alarm bells ringing in my head. Whatever, the Xbox 360 version sounds like it might be the more polished of the two (since it was more or less completed last year) but if the reviews say otherwise then I can easily cancel it and reorder it for the PS3 instead. Burnout Paradise and Devil May Cry 4 were both excellent on the PS3 after all so there's no reason why GTA IV shouldn't be as good as the 360 version.
P.S. It's about time the Xbox 360 had a massive price drop; it's absolutely necessary if Microsoft want to avoid the flatlining sales in mainland Europe.
4th RROD! haha! Man thats s**te, but on the other hand why dont you make sure the 360 has nothing around it circulating the warm air. and buy one of those 3rd party cooling fan's that clip on to the console!
The PS3 gets mega hot 2, heats up my bed room! but it has yet to fail!
i have both a 360 and PS3 so im not a fanboy. I am definitely going to purchase the 360 edition for a number of reasons. 1. achievements 2. Xbox live has much more social capabilities in multiplayer compared to PSN 3. Exclusive content 4. Everyone I know is getting it on 360 5. Personally I prefer the 360 controller
its ironic that im writing this message using the PS3
achievements would be s**te in this game. last thing u want is a xbox360 banner flashing at u middle of a game of GTA. this game has its own integrated achievements. like in san-an, spraypainting, collecting pearls etc.
achievements are instrusive at the best of times, and are for beefing out lesser games. they all feel tacked on, for whatever bonus MS gives them for it. "complete level in hard" etc. a real game should have its own achievements u work towards like in COD4, san-an etc. they are part of the story and feel right - not a last minute thought.
Then don't get it for the 360?... problem solved, Whinging stopped...
Might I argue that this is where CVG comes in? I'd like to know which machine hosts the game best - textures, frame rate, controllers, antialiasing, load times, etc. For me DLC is a bit of a red herring - by the time it appears I'll have moved on to the next best thing... (GoW 2!!)
achievements would be s**te in this game. last thing u want is a xbox360 banner flashing at u middle of a game of GTA. this game has its own integrated achievements. like in san-an, spraypainting, collecting pearls etc.
achievements are instrusive at the best of times, and are for beefing out lesser games. they all feel tacked on, for whatever bonus MS gives them for it. "complete level in hard" etc. a real game should have its own achievements u work towards like in COD4, san-an etc. they are integral, part of the story and feel right - not a last minute thought.
It sounds to be like they are simply trying to convince yourself that the PS3 version will be better, when pretty much everyone knows in their heart of hearts that the 360 will most likley just about edge it out. No matter what you think, I find 360's achievements to be one of the best things introduced in this gen of gaming. It adds lots of replay value to a game, gives you something to aim for and gives me a reason to play a game on a harder difficulty where as last gen I would complete a game on normal mode and then trade it in. DLC is also another great thing added this gen. The GTA4 content sounds worthwhile as well, unlike some which are obviously held back just to milk customers. Yet again this will add replay value to the game, giving me another reason not to trade it in when I;m done with it. The controller for 360 is also better than the shoddy SixAxis. I can't imagine playing GTA4 with the poor attempt to copy 360's trigger buttons, no rumble and no option to play your own music instead of the game's original soundtrack. If there is online play, which I think there will be, once again 360 will have the upper hand thanks to LIVE.
All the reasons I stated above are what I feel the vast majority of gamers feel, which is why the 360 version should outsell it's PS3 counterpart.
The 360 versions of multiplatform releases have destroyed PS3, Wii and PC versions saleswise. What makes anyone think GTA IV any different.
Actually if you bother to read news. Burnout Paradise was almost 50/50, sales wise, between the PS3 and the 360.
Although the fact that there are no guns in it probably put off most 360 owners
I think it was something like 60/40 to 360. Also, the following factors are most likely why its was so close; - The game's s**te. EA have destroyed the Burnout franchaise by turning it into a NFS type game, but with crashes... - 360 is flooded with great racing games. PS3 on the other hand isn't and PS owners seem to generally be fans of racing games - The game was for some reason advertised as a PS3 only game. I never saw saw a mention of the 360 version anywhere in any of the TV ad's...
360 for me, the game will be cheaper, will play better hate the ps pad, online and dlc, and ive yet to suffer RROD (it has broke once but didnt get teh RROD just the disc drive broke, but got fixed in under a week) not going to waste money on a ps3, im student all my money goes on booze and fags and noodles,
Everyone (mostly the ps fanboys) keep saying that the reliability is what outs them off buying a 360. This is kind of ironic as Sony as a company have one of the shoddiest reliability records going, the ps1, ps2 and even the psp were all plagued with problems, my ps2 broke 5 times in as many years, not to mention the awful reliability of the peripherals. Why they believe the ps3 will be any better escapes me really. They should just grow up, stop bitching about the 360 and give it a go. Its a fantastic console.
Ps3 version for me im afraid, the reason the ps3 version was delayed was due to rockstar making it identical to xbox 360 version bar the d.l.c., both games have exact framerates, loading times the same etc.etc, dlc doesnt mean a thing to me had an awful time with my 360 1st one didnt work out the box games would constantly freeze, replacement had the dreaded RROD, thats when i decided enough was enough an got a ps3 an havent looked backed since!!!
No matter what you think, I find 360's achievements to be one of the best things introduced in this gen of gaming. It adds lots of replay value to a game, gives you something to aim for and gives me a reason to play a game on a harder difficulty where as last gen I would complete a game on normal mode and then trade it in.
The controller for 360 is also better than the shoddy SixAxis. I can't imagine playing GTA4 with the poor attempt to copy 360's trigger buttons, no rumble and no option to play your own music instead
I completely agree with these points. Achievements are, undoubtedly, the finest contribution to gaming this generation- never has searching a game for every little bit been quite so rewarding. Of course, its up to developers to implement it properly and not just give them away for completing the game normally. But they're there to encourage you to explore every aspect of the game, and to give you a kind of benchmark to compare yourselves against other gamers. I love 'em.
And if you don't like the achievement popup, you can turn the notification off....
Added to that, the excellent pad (dodgy D-pad aside, argh, how I hate you for VF5) and custom soundtracks just make the 360 gaming experience so nicely finished off in my book.
PS3 will get there though, I think. It just needs a little more time to mature yet.
"This is kind of ironic as Sony as a company have one of the shoddiest reliability records going, the ps1, ps2 and even the psp were all plagued with problems, my ps2 broke 5 times in as many years, not to mention the awful reliability of the peripherals."
Everyone seems to forget about this fact. PS2's were notorious for failing and Sony didn't get half of the flack that Microsoft is getting. Double standard much?
Sony didn't even replace them free, refund those who paid to have their PS2's fixed, or extend the waranty, even in light of a widely known problem.
Sony had to be sued in court before they gave anything back to consumers. People are wrong to write Microsoft off considering the following, without first doing much worse to Sony. It's not right.
achievements would be s**te in this game. last thing u want is a xbox360 banner flashing at u middle of a game of GTA. this game has its own integrated achievements. like in san-an, spraypainting, collecting pearls etc.
achievements are instrusive at the best of times, and are for beefing out lesser games. they all feel tacked on, for whatever bonus MS gives them for it. "complete level in hard" etc. a real game should have its own achievements u work towards like in COD4, san-an etc. they are integral, part of the story and feel right - not a last minute thought.
That's the stupidest post I've read in a while, you can turn off the achievement unlocked message you realise?
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
who cares?! i never had a ps2. dont know anyone who ever had a ps2 breakdown on them. personally i wasted money on a 360. i chose not to send it back and smashed f**k out it. my mate also has an out-of-commision 360 just sitting there (doesnt read ANY discs not RROD problem). unless someone came to my door and picked it up, im not wasting any more time with that s**t console. instead i got a ps3 which has been running perfect.
If your the type of person that likes to smash stuff instead of sending it away to get fixed for free then you really shouldn't complain, it was probably your own fault anyway
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
who cares?! i never had a ps2. dont know anyone who ever had a ps2 breakdown on them. personally i wasted money on a 360. i chose not to send it back and smashed f**k out it. my mate also has an out-of-commision 360 just sitting there. unless someone came to my door and picked it up, im not wasting any more time with that s**t console. instead i got a ps3 which has been running perfect.
I care. Consumers should care. I've had a failed PS2 and if I could have replaced it free, and got a refund I would have been very happy.
I wasn't immature enough to smash my PS2 just because it broke, I only care about playing the great games on the system. You're overracting.
So do you think everyone who had their PS2's break on them should have smashed them and bought a GameCube? If not you have a double standard, and bias against Microsoft.
Well, seeing as I don't own a PS3 - it'll obviously be the 360 version for me.
I doubt there'll be any difference between the two, but; if I did own both, I'd still get it on the 360 - for the same reasons listed by Darren1967....mind you, after reading through these past two pages of comments, I have to wonder how many of the people posting here are actually old enough to play the game?
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
who cares?! i never had a ps2. dont know anyone who ever had a ps2 breakdown on them. personally i wasted money on a 360. i chose not to send it back and smashed f**k out it. my mate also has an out-of-commision 360 just sitting there. unless someone came to my door and picked it up, im not wasting any more time with that s**t console. instead i got a ps3 which has been running perfect.
I care. Consumers should care. I've had a failed PS2 and if I could have replaced it free, and got a refund I would have been very happy.
I wasn't immature enough to smash my PS2 just because it broke, I only care about playing the great games on the system. You're overracting.
So do you think everyone who had their PS2's break on them should have smashed them and bought a GameCube? If not you have a double standard, and bias against Microsoft.
well dreamcast i would have said not gamecube. but yeah.
Well then you're obviously one of the few that thinks a stumbling block is worth missing out on some the greatest games ever made. Because, the majority of us PS2 owners obviously stayed on regardless of defective game consoles.
And, if you didn't know, people actually do come to your door to pick up your XBOX 360 for you.
i dont think its gta that will push me to get a second console, but Id been toying with the idea of getting an xb360 in due time for some of its exclusives. still wanting to play Dead Rising.
they should severely reduce every 360 out there until the jasper gets out - its a known faulty product. everything that isnt a 65nm GPU (which isnt even out yet) could definately potentially fail. if it was a safety thing every single 360 would be recalled. but its not - its just ripping off customers.
The 65nm GPU has been out since last fall. You can tell which it is as it's the one that has the HDMI slot. Please take your PS3 fanboyism else where...
f**k off. thats the 65nm CPU falcon.
the 65nm GPU jaspers arent out yet. IDIOT.
its not fanboyism, the 360 is a faulty console. (i owned one before my ps3)
yay. where u been vercetti, we've all missed your abusive posts. been hittin the buckfast?
well i probably had a lot better games on my saturn/dreamcast than any of u did for your ps2s. sonys problem was nowhere nears the 360 failure rate, and they didnt have to expand warranties to 3 year.
ps2 improved their lazer, but 360 still has the overheating GPU that is cause the RROD
That's neither here nor there. Each person decides what they like and don't like.
And, Sony's PS2 failure rate was well documented and is very close to if not mirrioring the XBOX 360's failure rates. If they didn't need to expand the warranty then they would not have been sued, and lost quite unanimously in court.
Microsoft has gone above and beyond the call of duty in helping their consumers. Something Sony never did.
Why doesn't everyone just stfu and get the inevitable PC version that will have the DLC and extras like every other GTA as well as being only £30.
I've had a 360 since launch and know nobody thats had RROD meanwhile I know two people with bricked PS3s when they downloaded the newest PSN update.
I'll be getting Saints Row 2 anyway, GTA is a corporate cash cow and as such will have exaggerated features, simplistic combat, unrealistic driving and drab,empty environments.
MS are having to give 3 year warranty cause they know theres a serious fault lying dormant in the console. something only the new jaspers can hopefully fix. everytime u switch a 360 off after playing a while, the massive heat cools down, constant contracting and expanding causes a component to ping out. its like something that almost IS going to happen.
Sony never extended their warranty, they never refunded consumers that paid to fix their PS2's(Except after they were sued). Just as PS2's had a serious fault, there was no warranty extention. Sony did nothing.
Microsoft at least covers their potential faults with a 3 year warranty. And, are constantly improving their console for future buyers at the same time. You do wrong to hold angst toward Microsoft without holding Sony to an even lower view first. It's a double standard.
MS are having to give 3 year warranty cause they know theres a serious fault lying dormant in the console. something only the new jaspers can hopefully fix. everytime u switch a 360 off after playing a while, the massive heat cools down, constant contracting and expanding causes a component to ping out. its like something that almost IS going to happen.
Sony never extended their warranty, they never refunded consumers that paid to fix their PS2's(Except after they were sued). Just as PS2's had a serious fault, there was no warranty extention. Sony did nothing.
Microsoft at least covers their potential faults with a 3 year warranty. And, are constantly improving their console for future buyers at the same time. You do wrong to hold angst toward Microsoft without holding Sony to an even lower view first. It's a double standard.
Exactly my point. Last gen PS2 was the best console with the best selection of games. I went through 3 PS2's in that time due to issues with the lens. All of them were when the warrenty expired. Thankfully, Sony being the milkers they are, I had the option to own another PS2 but in another colour, and then finally a smaller one! Yay... So yes, PS2's issues were almost as bad as 360's, but not as well documented as Sony didn't want to admit an issue existed in teh first place, meaning people like me had no choice but to buy another PS2 to continue playing the best selection of games. Now compare that with 360, its the same situation except MS have addressed the issue by giving us a 3 year warrenty and also improving the consoles for future buyers. From all you're posts, it just sounds like you WANT to hate 360...
MS are having to give 3 year warranty cause they know theres a serious fault lying dormant in the console. something only the new jaspers can hopefully fix. everytime u switch a 360 off after playing a while, the massive heat cools down, constant contracting and expanding causes a component to ping out. its like something that almost IS going to happen.
Sony never extended their warranty, they never refunded consumers that paid to fix their PS2's(Except after they were sued). Just as PS2's had a serious fault, there was no warranty extention. Sony did nothing.
Microsoft at least covers their potential faults with a 3 year warranty. And, are constantly improving their console for future buyers at the same time. You do wrong to hold angst toward Microsoft without holding Sony to an even lower view first. It's a double standard.
its not a double standard.. im basing my opinion on ME. f**k everyone who had their ps2 lazer break. but i never bought one. and ive never heard (in real life) of a ps2 breaking down. i spent £280 on a microsoft product that went t**s up on me. id be raging if my ps3 f**ked up on me too, but a year in i think its been established that its a reliable console.
Yes it is. Your opinion is moot here. You're welcomed to do a google seach about PS2's failures if you wish. Once you've been living for a while you begin to understand that bad things can happen in life, you just have to get over it and move on.
No one's perfect, so you can't expect a product to be either. You can be angry, but don't let that drown out your reasoning. I suggest you learn how to let trivial things like a broken toy go, you'll be a better person for it. Especially when you can get it fixed for free.
Just to toss a red rag on the thread, my release day 360 has out-lived 2 PS3s already. One was bricked with an update, the second was DOA and the third (current one) started running like a slug after the last update.
I'm *expecting* my 360 to die at some point, but no matter how much I hammer it, it seems just fine.
I'll be getting Saints Row 2 anyway, GTA is a corporate cash cow and as such will have exaggerated features, simplistic combat, unrealistic driving and drab,empty environments.
Funny - they're all complaints levelled at Saints Row....also, quite how you know all that about a game that hasn't been released (or even reviewed) is beyond me.
The only reason GTA is a 'cash cow', as you put it, is because it's successful....the only reason it's successful is because it's consistently been a great series of games....
ive had my 360 replaced 3 times before trading it in for a ps3, but i do wanna get one again, well it depends how good alan wake is gears 2 dont interest me as i think killzone 2 will s**t all over it.imo
I'll be getting Saints Row 2 anyway, GTA is a corporate cash cow and as such will have exaggerated features, simplistic combat, unrealistic driving and drab,empty environments.
Funny - they're all complaints levelled at Saints Row....also, quite how you know all that about a game that hasn't been released (or even reviewed) is beyond me.
The only reason GTA is a 'cash cow', as you put it, is because it's successful....the only reason it's successful is because it's consistently been a great series of games....
no because GTA2 was absolute s**t. its because its a cool series.
Actually, that's just your opinion about GTA2 - it certainly wasn't the best, but it was not 's***'
Mind you, I can only assume that you were about 5 when it came out based on your previous posts...
i never had a ps2 but had the best games going - they just werent as documented (sega).
if your enough of a mug to continue buying the same console that keeps breaking down on u then fine.
i dont want to hate the 360, ive owned one. ordered another but cancelled it in time when i released that the falcons dont stop the RROD.
The only reason people keep buying/repairing a game console is for the games. They are obviously seen as worth it.
You're going to die some day, does that mean you should kill yourself now because it's pointless to live with that knowledge?
No hardware is going to last forever, just take things one day at a time you could be happily suprised. I mean it's a waste of money to not get your free XBOX 360. If anything you could sell it.
Seeing as I only own a 360, I'll be getting GTA IV on that. But even if I did own both a PS3 and 360, I'd still get it for the 360. Being a big GTA fan, I would like that exclusive content. Xbox Live is overall better and has a bigger community, as well as liking the 360's controller more for driving about. Plus, I don't mean to start any wars, but the PS3 hasn't really got the best versions of multiformat games.
I trust Rockstar though, so they've probably made a brilliant PS3 version.
i never had a ps2 but had the best games going - they just werent as documented (sega).
if your enough of a mug to continue buying the same console that keeps breaking down on u then fine.
i dont want to hate the 360, ive owned one. ordered another but cancelled it in time when i released that the falcons dont stop the RROD.
The only reason people keep buying a game console is for the games. They are obviously seen as worth it.
You're going to die some day, does that mean you should kill yourself now because it's pointless to live with that knowledge?
No hardware is going to last forever, just take things one day at a time. I mean it's a waste of money to not get your free XBOX 360. If anything you could sell it.
no hardware lasts forever. but no hardware should be put on sale with an inherent fault!
All hardware is released with an inherent fault, vunerability to continued use and the passage of time. So no, of course it shouldn't but sometimes that happens. And, when it does it's good to know that you're covered.
Hardware is constantly being improved, any glaring faults that may exsist might have been rectified.
it was s**t mate. stop talking out your f**king bottom, YA CUM RAG!
Oh, that's told me.....well done - great little insult at the end as well, I can totally see the similarities between myself and a 'CUM RAG' - brilliant, with a razor sharp wit like that, you should go and do stand-up - you'd be filling stadiums in no time.
...or you should just go away, grow up and learn some manners.
Petulant little child - quite why you're commenting on a game that you're obviously too young to play is beyond me.
RROD blah blah, & I thought this thread's main ingredient was about a possible 360 price cut with a side serving of GTAIV.
Any price cut is going to lead to increased sales, it is exactly what has lead to an increase in PS3 sales, so 360 will also benefit. The Wii will not get dropped in price, those Nintendo boys can't make them quick enough to sell them. Not until Wii sales seriously flag will it get reduced, it could be argued that the market for the Wii is seperate to the 360/PS3 market & therefore Nintendo would also not be spurred on by what MS & Sony do.
I'm interested in the previous PS3 installation article, has it been confirmed that GTA will stream straight from the Blu-Ray or is an install job?
Anyhoo, being a 360 Elite owner & a very happy one too, DLC, achievements (like the days of good old high scores) controller, Live, surely makes the 360 version the one to get.
RROD blah blah, & I thought this thread's main ingredient was about a possible 360 price cut with a side serving of GTAIV.
Any price cut is going to lead to increased sales, it is exactly what has lead to an increase in PS3 sales, so 360 will also benefit. The Wii will not get dropped in price, those Nintendo boys can't make them quick enough to sell them. Not until Wii sales seriously flag will it get reduced, it could be argued that the market for the Wii is seperate to the 360/PS3 market & therefore Nintendo would also not be spurred on by what MS & Sony do.
I'm interested in the previous PS3 installation article, has it been confirmed that GTA will stream straight from the Blu-Ray or is an install job?
Anyhoo, being a 360 Elite owner & a very happy one too, DLC, achievements (like the days of good old high scores) controller, Live, surely makes the 360 version the one to get.
I'm only getting the XBOX 360 version for the added episodes and the fact that the XBOX 360 was the lead platform, meaning the XBOX 360 version was in development for the longest period of time. Rockstar have had a lot of time to tweak and refine it, so it should be the most polished version. XBOX Live and Achievements are good, but I wont know how good until I experience them first hand.
Looks like a good strategic move from the Evil MS. GTA IV could be the title to tempt all those millions of non-gamers who are still content with their PS2 to move on up.
I have pre-order GTA IV on the 360 but I started thinking I have never finshed any GTA. So I started thinking why pay £39.99 for the 360 game when I could get the Special Edition on PS3 from the USA for £35.
Everyone (mostly the ps fanboys) keep saying that the reliability is what outs them off buying a 360. This is kind of ironic as Sony as a company have one of the shoddiest reliability records going, the ps1, ps2 and even the psp were all plagued with problems, my ps2 broke 5 times in as many years, not to mention the awful reliability of the peripherals. Why they believe the ps3 will be any better escapes me really. They should just grow up, stop bitching about the 360 and give it a go. Its a fantastic console.
The fact that 360 has A Huge failure rate and the ps3's is less than 2% Shows why people are more worried about getting a 360
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
There might have been more ps2's brake than 360's, But think about how many PS2's were sold, The 360's Failure rate Is Miles Bigger.
Will be busy playing other games like GOW2, Fable 2, LBP, MGS4, Haze, Resistance 2, Prototype, Tomb Raider, Hitman 5, 8 days, Infamous, White Knight Chronicles, Battlefield: bad company, Smash bros brawl, Tekken 6, Soul Calibur etc to care about the DLC towards the end of the year.
sonys problem wasnt as bad as the 360. litteraly millions so far have been "replaced"
The court documents and defendant award says otherwise. If it actually wasn't as bad, it would still be very close to as bad anyway. And, you still haven't commented on Microsoft doing much more to help consumers while Sony did nothing.
who cares?! i never had a ps2. dont know anyone who ever had a ps2 breakdown on them. personally i wasted money on a 360. i chose not to send it back and smashed f**k out it. my mate also has an out-of-commision 360 just sitting there (doesnt read ANY discs not even RROD problem). unless someone came to my door and picked it up, im not wasting any more time with that s**t console. instead i got a ps3 which has been running perfect.
someone does come and pick it up, UPS come and pick it up. how did you not know about that???...... unless....
MS are having to give 3 year warranty cause they know theres a serious fault lying dormant in the console. something only the new jaspers can hopefully fix. everytime u switch a 360 off after playing a while, the massive heat cools down, constant contracting and expanding causes a component to ping out. its like something that almost IS going to happen.
at least they are addressing the issue tho aren't they, how can you knock them for that?? ive red-ringed once and got mine back within 10 days, i just played on my ps3 until the 360 came back, surely anyone can last that long without a console iof they dont own both. Sony tried to wriggle out of doing anything for the consumer that cost them money with the ps2 (i had 2 lasers go on me).
good news for us normal folk. if the 360 price cut boosts sales and puts pressure on nintendo then they'll have to have a price cut to, and actually start manufacturing enough Wii's to meet demand too! Sony will follow suit a slash the price of the PS3 in time GT5 or Metal Gear.
Finally we can all own all 3 consoles for a decent price and all enjoy Gears 2, Killzone, Metal Gear, Mario kart, little big planet without the need for any more childish, geeky and rather disturbing fanboy wars
Im going to get the 360 version of the game, simply because its the console i own and also has download content confirmed.
Also a price cut a few weeks before gta4 comes out is agood thing, lets hope its 50 quid of each model, the elite drops to 250, the premium or pro from 250 to 200 and the core down to 150 from 200 quid, that would be a massive boast in weekly sales figures, and set's the machine up for another price drop come november time for say gears of war 2?, another 50 quid of then and you can might be able to get an elite for under 200 quid, a pro for under 150 quid and a core for under a 100, that would be massive win come this xmas, which looks like it will be massive for this gen of consoles.
it's PS3 for me this time. Had a 360 but was always worried that it would conk out on me whilst playing. It never did, but it didn't stop me from thinking that it would all the time. Generally I have been very pleased with my ps3, although I do think that the 360 has some awsome games and deserves it's place in the Market. Had there not been the overly publicised red light fiasco then I probably would have stuck with it, but once it was out in the open then that was it for me. Anyway, back to the game. I personally think that if Sony want to pursuade more people to purchase the ps3 version, then why not release it at a cheaper price than the 360 version. Who knows, maybe people who own both machines might opt for the cheaper copy if they are practically the same game. Just a thought!!!!!!
MS are having to give 3 year warranty cause they know theres a serious fault lying dormant in the console. something only the new jaspers can hopefully fix. everytime u switch a 360 off after playing a while, the massive heat cools down, constant contracting and expanding causes a component to ping out. its like something that almost IS going to happen.
Sony never extended their warranty, they never refunded consumers that paid to fix their PS2's(Except after they were sued). Just as PS2's had a serious fault, there was no warranty extention. Sony did nothing.
Microsoft at least covers their potential faults with a 3 year warranty. And, are constantly improving their console for future buyers at the same time. You do wrong to hold angst toward Microsoft without holding Sony to an even lower view first. It's a double standard.
talked to a reliable source from the gaming industry here in the states.they will be releasing the same day,and 50 dollars drop on all versions on the same day,still rumors about the add on blueray release in may you know what they say,most rumors are true...
If you are getting the 360 version my tip to avoid RRoD is to tie the console securely with a thin string and hang it out the window when you are playing (the wireless pads still detect and the fan noise issue is also solved by this). But you must get it in open air within 2 minutes of loading the disc or it will RRoD.
When you finish : Straight in a fridge or equivalent. Because even when you have finished playing there is still a risk the insides will ignite from the heat.
Also, tigh it securely when you hang it outside a window, as from even just 20 inches of elevation, dropping it will cause the console to go through the f*cking pavement.
Alternatively, buy a water-cooled one from me. No chance of RROD and they're silent too.
Not to start up the fanboy issue but I have a legendary Halo 3 360, basically the same build as the elite console so it does have the newer parts in and I've had no problems with it. If you are buying a 360 for GTA4, I'd suggest you go for the Elite system anyway because you'll need the HDD space for downloading content off Live and you'd never need to get a bigger one.
I can't wait to have a loading race with my mates PS3. He's going to be red in the face when he see's me playing GTA4 faster than he is. Blu-ray is over-rated. No one seems to notice the much slower data transfer rate on it.
360 verson for me, and all the guys in halls here, except our friend, Mr. PS3 Outcast. So it's 7 copies to one.
I own both a 360 elite and a PS3, and i can tell u i will be purchasing GTA on the 360 because of the downloadable content, and also 360 games tend to be in the region of 5-10 pounds cheaper! Both consoles are excellent but at the end of the day it comes down to value for money and it seems that if the 360 has the downloadable content and is also cheaper this is the more sensible option!
I own both a 360 elite and a PS3, and i can tell u i will be purchasing GTA on the 360 because of the downloadable content, and also 360 games tend to be in the region of 5-10 pounds cheaper! Both consoles are excellent but at the end of the day it comes down to value for money and it seems that if the 360 has the downloadable content and is also cheaper this is the more sensible option!
You know both version will have DL content. And if you finish the game so fast you need DL content its hardly value for money!
got a 360 this xmas,£149.00 gamestation brand new hdmi arcade(think offer still ongoing?),already got 18 games mostly preowned,machine has blew me away.My wii is now the sole ownership of my 8 year old with 15 full priced games but seems to be used with gamecube games more than anything else
I own both a 360 elite and a PS3, and i can tell u i will be purchasing GTA on the 360 because of the downloadable content, and also 360 games tend to be in the region of 5-10 pounds cheaper! Both consoles are excellent but at the end of the day it comes down to value for money and it seems that if the 360 has the downloadable content and is also cheaper this is the more sensible option!
You know both version will have DL content. And if you finish the game so fast you need DL content its hardly value for money!
both version of the game wont have download content, MS paid rockstar, take two for the sole rights to that baby.
COD4 and burnout had a slight edge in favour of the ps3. (reviewers words not mine)
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Burnout
"Bearing in mind just how close the conversion work is, finding any difference at all is pretty much impossible. "
COD4
"Of slightly more consequence is that the loading times on the PS3 game are noticeably longer: anything from 10 to 15 seconds longer compared to the same data being streamed in on Xbox 360."
got a 360 this xmas,£149.00 gamestation brand new hdmi arcade(think offer still ongoing?),already got 18 games mostly preowned,machine has blew me away.My wii is now the sole ownership of my 8 year old with 15 full priced games but seems to be used with gamecube games more than anything else
Why the shock? The Gamecube has some quality games that would be silly not to track down.
Why doesn't everyone just stfu and get the inevitable PC version that will have the DLC and extras like every other GTA as well as being only £30.
This is not as economical as you think, PC games usually end up at £9.99 at places like PC world in 12 months time. I used to give mine to charity shops, yet Im sure you would re sell or trade the PS3 or 360 version for at least £20.
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