Wii Software (aka WiiWare) developers have revealed Nintendo's "secret war" with Xbox Live Arcade, in a series of chats with game dev website Develop.
The developers, who are conveniently speaking under conditions of anonymity, have revealed Nintendo's plans to capitalise on developer's frustrations with Xbox Live Arcade, which recently had its developer royalties slashed in half.
According to Develop, Nintendo has been pitching to studios what it says is a "more flexible" game download service. Allegedly, it's also been plugging the fact that unlike XBLA, Wii Software won't be clogged with retro releases - something goat man Jeff Minter famously threw a wobbly over.
"Nintendo has made it very clear to us that we'll not only be making a better royalty rate from WiiWare games, but we'll also have a better chance of selling games - the service won't be clogged up with the retro titles that have blighted the chances of many independent studios on Xbox Live Arcade," said one studio boss, who didn't want to be named.
Another Wii Software developer added: "Frankly, we're not looking at making games for Xbox Live Arcade because the service is full of shit," pointing at its abundance of retro titles. Big words for an anonymous man.
Wii Software is set to launch in Japan at the end of the month with launch games including Pokémon Ranch, Dr. Mario and Star Soldier R. Yep, no retro remakes there at all.
I guess they think that because the Retro games on Wii are on the 'Virtual Console' and the original games will be on something called 'Wiiware' that this'll mean people will pay more attention to the original content on the system.
I think they're living in a dream world in all honesty. But hey, what do I know?
They are right,XBLA is "full of sh*t".I cant ever imagine paying for something like pac-man or tetris that you can download for free of the internet and it will run on any pc or even cellphone ,except maybe when Duke 3D comes onto Live.I don't own a Wii but heard the Virtual Arcade is just as clogged up a Live.
Of course. When your name isn't plastered along with your talk you can say anything you want. Just wait until they are identified, they'll be denying they ever said that for fear of retribution.
I don't buy new consoles to play old games, which is why I have never purchased an XBLA, or any other, cheap-ass piece of software. So Mr. WiiWare developer, you can kiss my anonymous ass and shove your retro games up yours. Both full of as much s**t as each other.
They are talking about the new Wiiware service though, not the virtual console. Wiiware is closer to XBL because it has original games made just for that, whereas the Virtual Console has the older games.
When you want to download Wiiware games it will not be accessed through the VC, it will have its own section.
Doesn't sound all that different in effect though. Sure, it splits old retro and new specifically written for games, great, but ultimately, they are still both there. *shrug* Not that I'm overly bothered - if XBLA had a decent filtering system, this wouldn't be an issue there either.
While it's true that XBLA is full of alot of retro titles it's also true that they have some great original games on there. The Wii is filled with nothing but crap...every download on the Wii, from the "everybody votes" (WTF is that about anyway) to the "Virtual Console" is utter s**t! And these guys say developers will have lots more freedom than on XBLA? You don't get much freedom when the consumers can only store half a gig of downloads
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Yes, XBLA has retro titles just like Wii does, difference is the majority of them are 'remastered' so to speak in HD and some even have LIVE multi-player, basically making it a new game whereas on Wii you're paying for the exact same game you may have played years ago...
The VC and Wii ware are both sides of the same coin, so I would say both are an apt comparison with XBLA.
XBLA is a good service, with a nice selection of titles, but if I'm honest, I'm usually only ever interested in the retro stuff - the games I grew up with. XBLA has a couple of aces in the hole when it comes to retro games (I'm thinking Symphony of the Night), and I like the fact that they come with achievements, but its nothing compared to the games the VC offers.
I am curious to see what developers can come up with for Wii ware, but until we actually see some titles, I can't really compare it to XBLA. I would say all this "anonymous developer" talk is hot air at the moment just to get the hype train going. Wii Ware has great potential, and it will be interesting to see what it offers, but already the prices of some of the already-announced games look far too expensive.
Ah, the words of someone who puts too much faith in developers. What exactly does he think is going to stop exactly the same thing happening with WiiWare? Muppet.
At least the XBLA remakes got online multiplayer and updated graphics. Which certainly beats the s**t out of the Wii's VC stuff taking your money for a 100% exact replica of something you already own.
There are good titles on XBLA, there are bad titles on XBLA. There will be good titles and bad titles on WiiWare as well.
Microsoft have f**ked up royally, and quite frankly they deserve to lose all the indie developers to PSN and WiiWare, and all their indie-game loving customers with them.
I have about 30 XBLA games on my 360, but I have to say that there is a lot of crap on there. Only Rez HD, the poker one, Doom and track & field I actually still bother with and the WiiWare service does look like it might be better (probably because Nintendo will be making their own games).
What's the point of XBLA anyway? why waste time, and money, on crap like that when there are fantastic games like COD4/HALO3/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Assassin's Creed to play?
What's the point of XBLA anyway? why waste time, and money, on crap like that when there are fantastic games like COD4/HALO3/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Assassin's Creed to play?
Sensible Soccer, Metal Slug, Street Fighter, Geometry Wars, Carcassone, Mutant Storm, Super Puzzle Fighter, Rez...
What's the point of XBLA anyway? why waste time, and money, on crap like that when there are fantastic games like COD4/HALO3/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Assassin's Creed to play?
Sensible Soccer, Metal Slug, Street Fighter, Geometry Wars, Carcassone, Mutant Storm, Super Puzzle Fighter, Rez...
"You are all full of s**t", says avid computer gamer, aiming his comment at every developer and analyst who are "insecure" enough to make a comment like that in the first place!
He's right. XBLA is generally a load of s**t. I don't care if online is added to the games when only a relative few of them are actually worth having. And the original stuff is pants.
As for Robzy, typical deluded crap you're talking, you clueless f***ing pratt
Got to say Im not all that bothered about Indy games at all. I mean we all have Pc's we can get them on, so why does anyone care about it on their consoles?
They are normally overated anyway just because of the fact they are Indy. Rez is brilliantly artistic and is a great Idea but you get bored of it after a few hours. Its only really a 7/10 game for me.
The only point of downloads is the retro stuff and Nintendo pretty much has that nailed with the virtual console - with their history there is just no way to beat them, especially as they now have the C64. Prince of Persia, SWOS and Pac Man with fancy graphics aint gonna change that.
Online bomberman on XLA is ace, but Wiiware sounds good too with online tetris, Dr. Mario and their own Bomberman etc. That new Final Fantasy game should be good too.
People shouldnt really argue about Indy games though - if you want Indy games dont bother with either console, just use your PC!
give me a break, Nintendo know nothing about online, it took them a year to get one single game up and running. and even now gamers are looking forward to texting each other in Mario Kart instead of speaking through Voice?. Nintendo are living in the dark ages. I haven't switched on my Wii for over 5 months now. if I was Nintendo's developers, I'd keep my mouth shut! since I got Xbox Live, I've been using it everyday almost. its an amazing product for gamers and developers make tons of money on it, more than they could on other consoles. thats why it works. Xbox Live Arcade is a great business tool. and there also helping bedroom home developers make games through XNA. its very community driven. and thats something neither Sony or Nintendo are doing for there developers. this way is easy for Microsoft, they build the tools and network, and all developers have to do it create the games! leaving all the hard work to Xbox Live.
give me a break, Nintendo know nothing about online, it took them a year to get one single game up and running. and even now gamers are looking forward to texting each other in Mario Kart instead of speaking through Voice?. Nintendo are living in the dark ages. I haven't switched on my Wii for over 5 months now. if I was Nintendo's developers, I'd keep my mouth shut! since I got Xbox Live, I've been using it everyday almost. its an amazing product for gamers and developers make tons of money on it, more than they could on other consoles. thats why it works.
I think you may have misunderstood the article.
Noone is talking about either consoles online service.
Nintendo are a bunch of clowns. I fell for the whole this is a new sytem thing (Blame mario) But for me it was the wii mote that put me of plus its just the game cube with a new(Worse)pad. The vc is just old crap and the only difference between this a xbla is you can play them online on 360 but not on the wii. Oh and cvg have a great point about Dr mario ect. I dont care for wii ware.
XBox has a similar service in the works at the moment. Indie devs have been creating games using the XNA Game Studio. There were a few demos doing the rounds a few weeks back. Stick that in your pipe Anonymous WiiWare chap...
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
Absolutley spot on - I just dont understand why people care. I downloaded the entire Master System Catalouge for free with an emulator a while ago. After a couple of days I just deleted it cos I realised it was just a nostalgia trip.
For every 100 Indy games you're lucky if 5 are any good and I've never played one that has held my attention for more than a few weeks.
Its a fuss about nothing. If you want Indy games download them onto your PC - its what its for!
For every 100 Indy games you're lucky if 5 are any good and I've never played one that has held my attention for more than a few weeks.
This is exactly why almost every WiiWare title might be a bucket o' s**te!!
The XNA stuff wasnt great but it allowed me to switch off and melt my brain for 5 minutes while the mrs went for a shower. Thats pretty much what XBLA titles are intended to do as well...
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
Absolutley spot on - I just dont understand why people care. I downloaded the entire Master System Catalouge for free with an emulator a while ago. After a couple of days I just deleted it cos I realised it was just a nostalgia trip.
For every 100 Indy games you're lucky if 5 are any good and I've never played one that has held my attention for more than a few weeks.
Its a fuss about nothing. If you want Indy games download them onto your PC - its what its for!
You do realize that emus and rom downloading is piracy and highly illegal, righ? This kind of thing is contributing to the decline of PC gaming.
Having just bought a ps3, i'd be delighted with so many retro titles to be able to play(where the hell are they?). The playstation store is incredibly empty compared to the excellent xbl service.
Considering the wii is full of poxy snes, nes games etc, the guy who said xbl was full of s**t must be off with the fairies somewhere.
give me a break, Nintendo know nothing about online, it took them a year to get one single game up and running. and even now gamers are looking forward to texting each other in Mario Kart instead of speaking through Voice?. Nintendo are living in the dark ages. I haven't switched on my Wii for over 5 months now. if I was Nintendo's developers, I'd keep my mouth shut! since I got Xbox Live, I've been using it everyday almost. its an amazing product for gamers and developers make tons of money on it, more than they could on other consoles. thats why it works. Xbox Live Arcade is a great business tool. and there also helping bedroom home developers make games through XNA. its very community driven. and thats something neither Sony or Nintendo are doing for there developers. this way is easy for Microsoft, they build the tools and network, and all developers have to do it create the games! leaving all the hard work to Xbox Live.
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
Absolutley spot on - I just dont understand why people care. I downloaded the entire Master System Catalouge for free with an emulator a while ago. After a couple of days I just deleted it cos I realised it was just a nostalgia trip.
For every 100 Indy games you're lucky if 5 are any good and I've never played one that has held my attention for more than a few weeks.
Its a fuss about nothing. If you want Indy games download them onto your PC - its what its for!
You do realize that emus and rom downloading is piracy and highly illegal, righ? This kind of thing is contributing to the decline of PC gaming.
Oh dear - put the cuffs on me why dont you?!
There are a few sites you can get homebrew Roms legally now, but yes I admit it, with my hand on my heart, that Master System library was illegal - a waste of bloody time aswell.
Also I cant see how downloading Alex Kidd in Miracle World is really affecting how 'new' Pc's games sell, and that it takes money out of the industry - if you're downloading 'proper' games yes, I agree.
Wasnt Crysis (Ironically titled) the biggest budget PC game ever recently?
Dont listen to the fat execs wanting to line their pockets. If they really wanted to fix the idustry they would lower prices.
Microsoft have f**ked up royally, and quite frankly they deserve to lose all the indie developers to PSN and WiiWare, and all their indie-game loving customers with them.
Agreed. F**king agreed, actually. Grubby bastards. Give em an inch & they take a mile. BACKLASH TIME!
Coincidentally, the Wii's full-price traditional retail software library is "full of sh*t" -- so WiiWare doesn't have much to beat on its home console.
Coincidentally, the Wii's full-price traditional retail software library is "full of sh*t" -- so WiiWare doesn't have much to beat on its home console.
Dunno about that mate, I was just on another thread saying how my Wii is definatley being used more than my 360 these days.
Its simply the variety of games that brings me back. Endless Ocean, Zack & Wiki, Resi Umbrella Cron, Ghost squad, Mecury Meltdown revolution, Zelda, Metriod, Mario, SSX Blur, Resi 4, Eledees, Batallion Wars and Trauma Centre are all fantastic.
Dont get me wrong, I cant wait for GTA4 - but the likes of Gears of War 2, COD5, Halo Wars, more PGR, more Forza just doesnt excite me anymore.
The new revolutionised Pro Evo Wii, No More Heroes, Mario Kart, SSBB, Bully, Okami, Samba De Amigo, House of the dead etc. have got me much more excited.
Also, and I know I'll get crucified for this, but playing Halo and COD4 just doesnt feel as good as it did since Metriod came out with those perfect FPS controls.
...the service won't be clogged up with the retro titles that have blighted the chances of many independent studios on Xbox Live Arcade
It won't? Could have fooled me. There's an absolute s**t stack of retro games for DL on the Wii thus far...
I think you're getting WiiWare mixed up with the Virtual Console there. RTFA, dude.
So let me get this straight, Nintendo has segregated the older titles and slapped them under the VC banner and will be putting new produce onto Wiiware?
That makes the combined offering from Nintendo different to XBLA because of what exactly?
People moaning about the Retro releases on XBLA need to lighten up and consider the following facts:
1. You have a choice, if you don't like what you see don't buy it.
2. Xbox Live Arcade - The clue is in the title, hence you see lots of old 'classics' such as Green Beret, Street Fighter 2 etc. The idea was always to hark back to the days when you could stand in your local Arcade all day spending your pocket money.
Seriously, these kind of services are meant to be a bit of fun, not fanboy material for a ranting session!!
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
You've missed the point by miles not just you but almost everyone here, Wiiware are newly developed games by indie and established devs (Eternity's Child, FFCC: Life as King) not retro games from olden days (Mario World, Sonic 2 etc...), the dev here has come out and said that the seperate structure of Wiiware and VC (retro service) protects their chances of success from popular retro games like OOT.
XBLA's mix and match approach is difficult for devs because a popular retro game will annihilate the chances of a new original game taking off.
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
You've missed the point by miles not just you but almost everyone here, Wiiware are newly developed games by indie and established devs (Eternity's Child, FFCC: Life as King) not retro games from olden days (Mario World, Sonic 2 etc...), the dev here has come out and said that the seperate structure of Wiiware and VC (retro service) protects their chances of success from popular retro games like OOT.
XBLA's mix and match approach is difficult for devs because a popular retro game will annihilate the chances of a new original game taking off.
thank god you wrote this! I was getting p**sed off with just how many people were so far off the mark!
ITS NOT ABOUT VC! - ITS ABOUT THE WIIWARE SYSTEM THATS ABOUT TO COME OUT!!!
i just don't understand why anybody buys this drivel in this day and age especially for 3 or 4 quid download it onto an emu on your pc, play it for five minutes, realise what a pieces of s**t it is and remember the day when it was great because that one level is all we had and then delete it then go and buy a nice cold pint of BUD and drink it with the money you've just saved. of course if you're into collecting retro games on a consol rather than a pc then you have to pay the price, but most of these roms are legal now to download from sites like romnation.com and will save you all a fortune. most people must have a pc in their house, right?
You've missed the point by miles not just you but almost everyone here, Wiiware are newly developed games by indie and established devs (Eternity's Child, FFCC: Life as King) not retro games from olden days (Mario World, Sonic 2 etc...), the dev here has come out and said that the seperate structure of Wiiware and VC (retro service) protects their chances of success from popular retro games like OOT.
XBLA's mix and match approach is difficult for devs because a popular retro game will annihilate the chances of a new original game taking off.
thank god you wrote this! I was getting p**sed off with just how many people were so far off the mark!
ITS NOT ABOUT VC! - ITS ABOUT THE WIIWARE SYSTEM THATS ABOUT TO COME OUT!!!
Yeah I think everyone understand this but they were mentioning the retro games as a side issue.
The overall point I was making was that Indy games on a console are useless because they are all over the internet for cheaper or free.
There are loads of sites out there were you can download original games to your PC for nothing. Why would anyone pay Ł3/Ł4 for them? THATS the problem, not being stuck next to retro titles.
As for this WiiWare thing - it may look alright, but do any Wii owners like myself just use the Web browser to go on WiiCade and play the indy games on there for free?
Why would anyone buy this stuff if you can get indy games just as good for nothing?
These won't strictly be simple flash games, a number of these will actually be games of console quality. You may find similar games to lesser titles on the service on the net but you won't find games like FFCC:LAK, LostWinds and such on the net for free legally.
There maybe a few made by top developers every now and then, but when you hear the likes of Tetris and Dr Mario are being made you just wonder what the point of it all is.
Yeah right. Talk about clutching at straws. THE WHOLE POINT IN XBOX LIVE ARCADE IS RETRO and retro themed games so to say its full of "retro s**t" is 1.missing the point, 2.I will correct you - its "the s**t", not "s**t" because retro games rule, and 3.remember where Nintendo came from. The only company full of s**t around here is you.
There maybe a few made by top developers every now and then, but when you hear the likes of Tetris and Dr Mario are being made you just wonder what the point of it all is.
Yeah I know what you mean, to be honest titles like those are just clutter and unfortunately will make up the majority as in all gaming libraries. The will be gems but the low cost development, flexibility and no need for a publisher to distribute the game will draw in a lot of clutter as well sadly.
Edit:
I think it's a pretty stupid thing for Nintendo to slag Microsoft for having "retro" issues.
It's not Nintendo slagging them off try reading the article.
Wii Ware will be half baked until I've enjoyed a title for more than two months. I think it's a pretty stupid thing for Nintendo to slag Microsoft for having "retro" issues. You've got to be kidding me! Nintendo ranks #1 - maybe only rivaled by Square - in the "sell you what you already own" department.
Not to mention new titles are such blatant and one dimensional platformers du jour (read: always a 3rd person spectacle). Never built to last, just to get your fifty (CAD) bucks every three weeks.
Let's look at WiiWare objectively. The Wii only has 512MB of onboard storage. So, let's think about what kind of experiences that restricts us to? The Wii has abysmal wireless performance and Nintendo online functionality has not only been slow to manifest, but a complete stillbirth in terms of resultant features.
Unless Nintendo scares up local storage options, better vision in online features, a mess of developers (full of good ideas) and some better pricing - all I'm seeing are a pile of $15 edutainment flash games.
Either way, I won't be impressed until these things spawn a great must have RPG with awesome multiplayer and great replay. Or anything else for that matter.
Then again, how can you milk additional sales when your games are so good that they last? We have to think of the get-rich scheme after all. Such is the persuasive over marketed world of gaming you the average gamers have made. Enjoy your action adventure & retro, it's all the lobotomized developers know how to do - or are allowed to do - now...
I love the VC, I doubt there will be a 360 arcade game that comes close to the quality of super mario world. I don't think there are many full 360 games that match the brilliance of that game, an definitely won't be being played 15 years down the road, but in 15 years this game will still be great.
wii-ware looks ok, storage is an issue but will slap it onto my pc, if games that use balance board make it on then that makes that purchase more intrestig.
While it's true that XBLA is full of alot of retro titles it's also true that they have some great original games on there. The Wii is filled with nothing but crap...every download on the Wii, from the "everybody votes" (WTF is that about anyway) to the "Virtual Console" is utter s**t! And these guys say developers will have lots more freedom than on XBLA? You don't get much freedom when the consumers can only store half a gig of downloads
Virtual Console home to the finest 2D games ever made as well timeless 3D N64 classics, is "utter s**t", eh? Edge recently voted 8 of those "s**t" VC titles in the top 14 games ever made. The top three places went to Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4 and Mario 64. In case it's escaped your attention that's 2 games from the top 3, available on Virtual Console and the definitive version of the other exclusive to Wii. So the 3 top games of all time are available, yet you still maintain everything on Wii is s**t. Do you: a) Hate games in general b) Hate good games and prefer to spend your time playing Hello Kitty Roller Rescue and resent that the rest of the world doesn't share your esoteric tastes. c) Own a PS3 or Xbox360 and spend your time fretting and spewing your fanboy-fuelled bile, angst and hatred on internet forums.
If you answered a), b) or c) to the above you may want seek psychiatric help, in order to overcome your rage and insecurities.
Wii Ware will be half baked until I've enjoyed a title for more than two months. I think it's a pretty stupid thing for Nintendo to slag Microsoft for having "retro" issues. You've got to be kidding me! Nintendo ranks #1 - maybe only rivaled by Square - in the "sell you what you already own" department.
Not to mention new titles are such blatant and one dimensional platformers du jour (read: always a 3rd person spectacle). Never built to last, just to get your fifty (CAD) bucks every three weeks.
Let's look at WiiWare objectively. The Wii only has 512MB of onboard storage. So, let's think about what kind of experiences that restricts us to? The Wii has abysmal wireless performance and Nintendo online functionality has not only been slow to manifest, but a complete stillbirth in terms of resultant features.
Unless Nintendo scares up local storage options, better vision in online features, a mess of developers (full of good ideas) and some better pricing - all I'm seeing are a pile of $15 edutainment flash games.
Either way, I won't be impressed until these things spawn a great must have RPG with awesome multiplayer and great replay. Or anything else for that matter.
Then again, how can you milk additional sales when your games are so good that they last? We have to think of the get-rich scheme after all. Such is the persuasive over marketed world of gaming you the average gamers have made. Enjoy your action adventure & retro, it's all the lobotomized developers know how to do - or are allowed to do - now...
I take it you dont think much of XBLA either then!!
It wont happen mate, every now and then you'll get something good but it will be quite rare.
What's the point of XBLA anyway? why waste time, and money, on crap like that when there are fantastic games like COD4/HALO3/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Assassin's Creed to play?
Sensible Soccer, Metal Slug, Street Fighter, Geometry Wars, Carcassone, Mutant Storm, Super Puzzle Fighter, Rez...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Anyone who thinks COD4 and Halo 3 are better than Metal Slug, Street Fighter, and Sensible soccer is someone whose opinion is not worth listening to. Zzzzzz indeed.
I think it's a pretty stupid thing for Nintendo to slag Microsoft for having "retro" issues.
Please don't call other people stupid when posting in the comments thread for a article which you clearly haven't bothered to anything more than skim read.
Anonymous man in saying something is s**t shocker!
Honestly, how is this news?
Anyway, you know what?? The only reason indie developers cack their pants at the thought of retro releases is because the bottom line is, most retro titles are better games. Almost every XBLA game I've downloaded the trial of is a crap, shallow and uninspired piece of five minute wonder tat, that wouldn't be hugely more appealing as a free PC flash game.
Maybe when XBLA and Wiiware devs come up with a platformer as brilliantly engaging as the original Sonic or Mario, a game as revolutionary as the ground-breaking title Wolfenstein (or Doom) or a puzzle game that doesn't simply ape Tetris, maybe people will change their minds about DL gaming. Bear in mind that most of these retro titles are miniscule in size so it's not beyond the developers capacity to do this, they just can't be bothered.
As it stands, sadly most new games on XBLA are in fact s**t, so this article is correct. However, I fail to see Wiiware will change this, seeing how it's already shallow use of its remote by third parties exists even on full price titles. Will small file limits really force creativity, or will we just see virtual pets, party games and Wii Sports rip-offs?
I've got no problem with XBLA being choked up with retro crap as much of it is. I do think those games should come in at about $2.50 or less though. If I don't like them I just won't buy them. Now for Nintendo...Your "complete" games that sell for full price on a disc are SH!T so you can't really talk. The just announce eating competition game? I thought I wanted a Wii until I went to a family get together where a brother in law brought his over. Sure everybody seemed to enjoy it for the evening as it was new to all and in the end my 65 year old father in law bought one. Is it even hooked up yet? I doubt it. Has he bought any games for it other than what it came with? No. Will he? No. The Wii is a parlor trick and seems to have no lasting appeal. I'm surre it will sell great for a few more Xmas's but we'll see after that. More importantly at this point is what's next, as in Wii2. What will they offer then? PS3 and 360 style graphics with the same control and shovelware games? I really wanted one awhile back...Until I played one. At first I thought it wasn't a gimmick but after trying it I feel differently.
I've got no problem with XBLA being choked up with retro crap as much of it is. I do think those games should come in at about $2.50 or less though. If I don't like them I just won't buy them. Now for Nintendo...Your "complete" games that sell for full price on a disc are SH!T so you can't really talk. The just announce eating competition game? I thought I wanted a Wii until I went to a family get together where a brother in law brought his over. Sure everybody seemed to enjoy it for the evening as it was new to all and in the end my 65 year old father in law bought one. Is it even hooked up yet? I doubt it. Has he bought any games for it other than what it came with? No. Will he? No. The Wii is a parlor trick and seems to have no lasting appeal. I'm surre it will sell great for a few more Xmas's but we'll see after that. More importantly at this point is what's next, as in Wii2. What will they offer then? PS3 and 360 style graphics with the same control and shovelware games? I really wanted one awhile back...Until I played one. At first I thought it wasn't a gimmick but after trying it I feel differently.
I am not sure that all Wii ware titles will be nothing more than jumped up mobile phone games and the lack of space that is the Wii's flash drive will limit what most people will buy, I think Nintendo should just concentrate on some proper games but maybe this kind of thing will open the door for indie developers who knows!
...the service won't be clogged up with the retro titles that have blighted the chances of many independent studios on Xbox Live Arcade
It won't? Could have fooled me. There's an absolute s**t stack of retro games for DL on the Wii thus far...
If you don't want to buy 'old s**t' off of the service, don't it's not compulsory.
Yeah, so Frogger is s**t and there's a load of uninspired crap on there; retro and new realeases but there are also gems like Rez HD and Castlevania, games I missed out on owning first time around. The updated Rez looks gorgeous on a HD tv.
It's only an online shop, and it's limited at the moment because it's new to this generation of consoles. Maybe we should all start complaining about all the s**t on the store shelves, shall we?
Anonymous man in saying something is s**t shocker!
Honestly, how is this news?
Anyway, you know what?? The only reason indie developers cack their pants at the thought of retro releases is because the bottom line is, most retro titles are better games. Almost every XBLA game I've downloaded the trial of is a crap, shallow and uninspired piece of five minute wonder tat, that wouldn't be hugely more appealing as a free PC flash game.
Maybe when XBLA and Wiiware devs come up with a platformer as brilliantly engaging as the original Sonic or Mario, a game as revolutionary as the ground-breaking title Wolfenstein (or Doom) or a puzzle game that doesn't simply ape Tetris, maybe people will change their minds about DL gaming. Bear in mind that most of these retro titles are miniscule in size so it's not beyond the developers capacity to do this, they just can't be bothered.
As it stands, sadly most new games on XBLA are in fact s**t, so this article is correct. However, I fail to see Wiiware will change this, seeing how it's already shallow use of its remote by third parties exists even on full price titles. Will small file limits really force creativity, or will we just see virtual pets, party games and Wii Sports rip-offs?
Please don't call other people stupid when posting in the comments thread for a article which you clearly haven't bothered to anything more than skim read.
XBLA according to the anonymous developers because they don't have hentai in any of the games as they we're promised. Silly developers. *fish slap*
Well if that WAS the case I'd see their point but I think they need to unlock some of the games and play them. I've had Worms for a month and go on it 4-5 times a week. My friends like playing Doom till all hours in the morning and I'm sure the next one will keep them glued to their TV screens.
I am a little concerned XBLA may get overcrowded with XNA on the scene but we'll have to see if that's a good thing in a few months time.
I hate Hexic for being addictive too, and that's free.
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,except maybe when Duke 3D comes onto Live.I don't own a Wii but heard the Virtual Arcade is just as clogged up a Live.
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