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"We want to convert Halo fans into Bungie fans"

Bungie discusses the community problems it faces as it splits from Halo and Microsoft
Over 750,000 people played Halo 3 in the last 24 hours - so it's fair to say that Bungie has a pretty gargantuan community.

But even with one of the biggest shooter fanbases in consoles, Bungie acknowledges that it faces a big problem splitting from Microsoft and its fully-owned Halo IP. Will the Halo 3 players follow Bungie onto the next game, or will they be left behind with Microsoft?

"Not everyone that buys Halo knows what Bungie is," community lead Brian Jarrard told Edge magazine. "We want to convert Halo fans into Bungie fans and so we'll take them with us when we do the next game."

In a recent podcast, the Halo dev revealed that it's next game will be "totally different" from Halo, perhaps another concern over whether or not the massive community will stick around.

PGR studio Bizarre Creations, who also split from Microsoft, expressed similar concerns over transferring its community to the next, non-Microsoft published game.

"When [PGR3] was released [we were afraid that] it would just become Microsoft's community and then, when we worked on the next game, we wouldn't be able to haul those people over to it and be able to keep them interested in Bizarre," community man Ben Ward told Edge. "That's difficult when you're independent."

Edge Issues 188, which contains a whole four pages of discussion over this community stuff, is in shops now.

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does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.
nologo on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Jesus christ man...are you trying to start a fanboy war?

I agree though, Halo is totally over-hyped, but i've never noticed any blur...then again, I've never owned a 360
Waste_Manager on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Ohh go away u c**k muncher...

Anyway, Bungie should drop Halo, its been done now, move onto a new IP & this time Bungie *if your listening* if i was you, i get some new modellers in, & some sh1t hot texturers, plus a whole new Art department, because Halo 3 (as much as i liked it) was f**king dreadful in area's!?, when i saw early shots i thought, ahh that's just an early build!, but no, that was the final game.
I would never of let that out the door looking like that, especially with the amount of focus on this game.
But good luck to them.
hollywood111 on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Wow. I feel sorry for your fanboyism/ignorance...
Also, anyone that has completed Halo 3 on legendary will know that it's been setup so that the Halo franchaise and Master Chief's story can be continued in the future.

Back on topic, it certainly is a problem for Bungie. Before they had the vast millions of MS behind them meaning they could do a huge marketing campaign, which is needed to get the kind of sales Halo 3 recieved.
I think the real key will be review scores for their next game. People like myself are wondering if Bungie are a one trick poney, much like Rockstar are with GTA.
If the game is well recieved then I think Bungie will become one of those developers where gamers cant wait for the next game from them.
vulcanraven01 on 11 Apr '08
My 360 isnt blurry at all.in fact the resolution is alot clearer than my ps3.Ive got a 1080p flat screen,and the only ps3 game that uses it is GT5.Any of my ps3 games that arent in 1080p(thats almost all of them)look alot blockier than their 360 counterparts.I'm not a fanboy obviously,i just tell it as it is.P.S. Halo is a good game,just not as good as COD4.
spam javelins on 11 Apr '08
Just so you know, expect the next Bungie game to be based on the Halo 3 Engine =]
RobW on 11 Apr '08

I think the real key will be review scores for their next game. People like myself are wondering if Bungie are a one trick poney, much like Rockstar are with GTA.

Midnight Club? Canis Canem Edit?
A good point though.

If they could only create decent AI...
NG_21 on 11 Apr '08
With regards to the first post, no Halo 3 is not the most overhyped game of recent times. (Assassins Creed gets that award.)

Halo 3 does lack in certain areas but it does possess one thing that many games of late severly lack, a little thing called FUN which is, maybe unbelievably to fanboys such as yourself, the reason videogames were invented and it is also the reason that the Wii is winning the console war and the Playstation 3 is losing.

Halo 3 is FUN in single player whether it be story mode or messing about on Forge or multiplayer whether it be online with players around the world or local co-op.

As VulcanRaven01 mentioned I too think that Bungie are a one-trick company (Sure they had Marathon.) and I don't think they will come up with a very good new IP and it will all be very Halo-like. I don't know maybe they will come up with something brilliant I predict they will reserve themselves for the next generation instead.
fleeties on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Ohh go away u c**k muncher...

Anyway, Bungie should drop Halo, its been done now, move onto a new IP & this time Bungie *if your listening* if i was you, i get some new modellers in, & some sh1t hot texturers, plus a whole new Art department, because Halo 3 (as much as i liked it) was f**king dreadful in area's!?, when i saw early shots i thought, ahh that's just an early build!, but no, that was the final game.
I would never of let that out the door looking like that, especially with the amount of focus on this game.
But good luck to them.

are you stupid?halo3 was designed for Xbox (not 360)..but development costs and time went mental..so they released it 360 with minimal changes. thus why the game looks so poor.

EDIT: im not a fanboy, i just have something called brains. why would anyone want to buy 360?its a low-end PC. i have a highend pc and ps3 (ps3 for console games such as GT5,pro-evo) and my pc is used for FPS/RTS games and WoW. so that my friends is the end of it..and ive made all xbots look pretty damn stupid for buying whats basically a really expensive crap pc Evil or Very Mad
nologo on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Ohh go away u c**k muncher...

Anyway, Bungie should drop Halo, its been done now, move onto a new IP & this time Bungie *if your listening* if i was you, i get some new modellers in, & some sh1t hot texturers, plus a whole new Art department, because Halo 3 (as much as i liked it) was f**king dreadful in area's!?, when i saw early shots i thought, ahh that's just an early build!, but no, that was the final game.
I would never of let that out the door looking like that, especially with the amount of focus on this game.
But good luck to them.

are you stupid?halo3 was designed for Xbox (not 360)..but development costs and time went mental..so they released it 360 with minimal changes. thus why the game looks so poor.

EDIT: im not a fanboy, i just have something called brains. why would anyone want to buy 360?its a low-end PC. i have a highend pc and ps3 (ps3 for console games such as GT5,pro-evo) and my pc is used for FPS/RTS games and WoW. so that my friends is the end of it..and ive made all xbots look pretty damn stupid for buying whats basically a really expensive crap pc Evil or Very Mad

Don't make me post Famitsu's top 25 games of 2007 again, kiddie. Wink
SunScramble on 11 Apr '08
Don't make me post Famitsu's top 25 games of 2007 again, kiddie. Wink

has zero relevance to my comment. let me paraphrase it for someone with such a low IQ:
"X360 is basically a over-priced low-end pc but forcing people to pay for using online services".
my pc has improved graphics over the x360 (and dont get my wrong, ps3 graphics dont match a high-end pc) and free online content unrestricted by the Bill Gates Iron Fist.

EDIT: the ps3 was the console choice for me on the basis i've always owned a ps console...i had an xbox as well but really thought it was the biggest green/black waste of cash ive ever spent.
nologo on 11 Apr '08
let me paraphrase it for someone with such a low IQ:

Why paraphrase stuff for yourself? odd.


"X360 is basically a over-priced low-end pc

It's not even a PC. It's a console. Completely different.

but forcing people to pay for using online services

Yawn, same old arguement. I'd rather pay for the excellent service than get a s**te service free.

my pc has improved graphics over the x360

What's your point? PC's have always been ahead graphically, but it doesn't always mean the games are good, ie Crysis.

free online content unrestricted by the Bill Gates Iron Fist.

Oh because Sony are a company with much love for their fanbase. I mean, they've even announced DS3 for Europe.. oh wait..
level_up on 11 Apr '08
What does the OP mean by "not a HD console"?
Mine has the option to output in 1080p, is that a new thing?
The reason that lower res games look better on the 360 is because it has a better gfx card. Check the tech spec if you like. It uses 4xFSAA by default.

I'd still prefer a game on 640p with a constant 60fps than one at 1080p running at a sketchy 20fps.

God, I can't believe I got drawn into this. Damned amateur mistake.
Dajmin on 11 Apr '08
EDIT: im not a fanboy, i just have something called brains. why would anyone want to buy 360?its a low-end PC. i have a highend pc and ps3 (ps3 for console games such as GT5,pro-evo) and my pc is used for FPS/RTS games and WoW. so that my friends is the end of it..and ive made all xbots look pretty damn stupid for buying whats basically a really expensive crap pc Evil or Very Mad

Oh yeah - do I ever feel foolish now after your amazing insight?...that'll teach me and the other millions of fools that bought 360'S...

You're an idiot

Laughing
ParmaViolet on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Ohh go away u c**k muncher...

Anyway, Bungie should drop Halo, its been done now, move onto a new IP & this time Bungie *if your listening* if i was you, i get some new modellers in, & some sh1t hot texturers, plus a whole new Art department, because Halo 3 (as much as i liked it) was f**king dreadful in area's!?, when i saw early shots i thought, ahh that's just an early build!, but no, that was the final game.
I would never of let that out the door looking like that, especially with the amount of focus on this game.
But good luck to them.

are you stupid?halo3 was designed for Xbox (not 360)..but development costs and time went mental..so they released it 360 with minimal changes. thus why the game looks so poor.

EDIT: im not a fanboy, i just have something called brains. why would anyone want to buy 360?its a low-end PC. i have a highend pc and ps3 (ps3 for console games such as GT5,pro-evo) and my pc is used for FPS/RTS games and WoW. so that my friends is the end of it..and ive made all xbots look pretty damn stupid for buying whats basically a really expensive crap pc Evil or Very Mad

Haha, you just LOVE!, making a public c**k of yourself, look kid, you bought a PS3, good on you, pat yourself on the back. & when your PC or PS3 has had the recent line up of A list games like the 360 has had you come back on here, until then let the grown ups talk, ok?, ok.
hollywood111 on 11 Apr '08
Do you know something? - I've just realised that I've never actually ever seen an 'Xbot'

I mean, sure, there are plenty of people that will defend the console - but, I've never seen anyone actually come on and spout nonsense about it's superiority over the PS3...(cue fanboys saying 'that's because it isn't superior' - there, beat you to it)

At the end of the day, they're games consoles - there will always be fanboys...I remember arguing over SNES and Megadrive in the playground - but, I was a kid then.....as an adult, I couldn't care less - it does get incredibly tiresome, though

Smile
ParmaViolet on 11 Apr '08
EDIT: the ps3 was the console choice for me on the basis i've always owned a ps console...i had an xbox as well but really thought it was the biggest green/black waste of cash ive ever spent.

Is this a sponsored "spout bulls**t" or are you really that big a cretin!!
Tonyb on 11 Apr '08
"X360 is basically a over-priced low-end pc

It's not even a PC. It's a console. Completely different.

My apologies but he said "basically" not "it is", you are putting words into his mouth.

but forcing people to pay for using online services

Yawn, same old arguement. I'd rather pay for the excellent service than get a s**te service free.

You seem to be referring to the PS3, however he is talking about the PC, which will always have better online services.

my pc has improved graphics over the x360

What's your point? PC's have always been ahead graphically, but it doesn't always mean the games are good, ie Crysis.

I agree with you here, but every console/PC has some crap games that have good graphics.

free online content unrestricted by the Bill Gates Iron Fist.

Oh because Sony are a company with much love for their fanbase. I mean, they've even announced DS3 for Europe.. oh wait..

Once again he is talking about the PC, not the PS3. So your misunderstanding has clouded your argument.

To make this perfectly clear, I agree with neither of your opinions, I just don't like to see ill-informed insults flying around for such silly and relatively unimportant reasons.

(I think i have screwed up my quoting, so i apologise in advance)
MightyMoose on 11 Apr '08
Halo3 is a very good game and has delightful artwork - you notice this far more the more you playthrough it's campaign.HDR is subtle yet wonderful inclusion most people including myself wont have noticed on just the one playthrough and it's removal would be quite noticable.

Bigger scale battles would have been nice but it's combat mechanics are first class and it's sandbox aproach always throws up different suprises every time you play

To be honest most of the things that make you go wow in Halo 3 are only really noticed upon repeated playtime - one of it's greatest strengths is how replayable the campaign is.Things like scarabs are quite impressive but the most impressive thing about this game is how replayable it is.Whizzing through at normal or even heroic difficulties isn't really doing any justice to how satisfying it can be.Bump up the level with maybe a few skulls and scoring while trying to survive makes for some exciting gameplay.

Trouble for most is that they play once through a game and then onto the next.If this is the case for you then as well as missing the point to why it's Halo followers love the franchise, you're simply not qualified to slag on it.Perhaps you just don't like the setting of Halo's but to say it's crap based on how it actually plays is about as stupid as saying the same for Tetris or Space Invaders
Adropacrich2 on 11 Apr '08
EDIT: the ps3 was the console choice for me on the basis i've always owned a ps console...i had an xbox as well but really thought it was the biggest green/black waste of cash ive ever spent.

Is this a sponsored "spout bulls**t" or are you really that big a cretin!!

This is by far my favourite post of the day.
+2 cool points for you Tonyb *claps*

I mean really, I can understand preference and all, but this venom some people seem to have for one console or another is utterly ridiculous.
_Marty_ on 11 Apr '08
Yup taken to a new level that
Adropacrich2 on 11 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

Ohh go away u c**k muncher...

Anyway, Bungie should drop Halo, its been done now, move onto a new IP & this time Bungie *if your listening* if i was you, i get some new modellers in, & some sh1t hot texturers, plus a whole new Art department, because Halo 3 (as much as i liked it) was f**king dreadful in area's!?, when i saw early shots i thought, ahh that's just an early build!, but no, that was the final game.
I would never of let that out the door looking like that, especially with the amount of focus on this game.
But good luck to them.

are you stupid?halo3 was designed for Xbox (not 360)..but development costs and time went mental..so they released it 360 with minimal changes. thus why the game looks so poor.

EDIT: im not a fanboy, i just have something called brains. why would anyone want to buy 360?its a low-end PC. i have a highend pc and ps3 (ps3 for console games such as GT5,pro-evo) and my pc is used for FPS/RTS games and WoW. so that my friends is the end of it..and ive made all xbots look pretty damn stupid for buying whats basically a really expensive crap pc Evil or Very Mad

Wow, you really are a c**k mucnher. The PS3 is too complicated to design for and will rarely be pushed beyond the 360. Most of the top games and the best live system on the planet resides with the 360. Sure, the PS3's online is free, but you get what you don't pay for. have you tried playing GTA with a friend online? LOL!

I love my PS3, but other then playing blu ray movies and Warhawk, it doesn't get much gaming love.

Only a stupid fanboy such as yourself could slam the 360 and its amazing lineup.
GtheMVP on 11 Apr '08
"X360 is basically a over-priced low-end pc

It's not even a PC. It's a console. Completely different.

My apologies but he said "basically" not "it is", you are putting words into his mouth.

but forcing people to pay for using online services

Yawn, same old arguement. I'd rather pay for the excellent service than get a s**te service free.

You seem to be referring to the PS3, however he is talking about the PC, which will always have better online services.

my pc has improved graphics over the x360

What's your point? PC's have always been ahead graphically, but it doesn't always mean the games are good, ie Crysis.

I agree with you here, but every console/PC has some crap games that have good graphics.

free online content unrestricted by the Bill Gates Iron Fist.

Oh because Sony are a company with much love for their fanbase. I mean, they've even announced DS3 for Europe.. oh wait..

Once again he is talking about the PC, not the PS3. So your misunderstanding has clouded your argument.

Just read his posts on this topic.. still believe that with that he's talking about the PS3.
level_up on 12 Apr '08
does this mean finally the end of halo?man that game is dull Razz
at least it will go down in history as "THE MOST OVERHYPED" game ever made.
on a side note, does anyone notice how the xbox & 360 have blurry gfx?its a strange blur..really annoys me.
maybe its cos its not a real HD console.

whats your PSN ID mate??
Razz
just get a 360 as well, jealousy is a real ugly thing.

EDIT: just checked this guys other posts out on other topics and i can quote him as saying "i am a huge sony fanboy" amongst various jealous comments on the 360.... oh dear, read my sig below.... why not just get all the consoles then you wont be jealous of other consoles and their big selling games....
headspin on 12 Apr '08
Bungie's next game could be amazing, without the pressure to keep to all the rules of Halo the next game could be to Halo3 what Perfect Dark(64) was to Goldeneye! Very Happy

(I mean superior in every way, just not as well remembered)
Zepf on 12 Apr '08
For me, it boils down to one simple question: is the game good or not?

If the next game they make is fun, I'll most likely get it at some point. If it's utter rubbish, then I don't care who made it - I won't be buying it.
Taralla on 12 Apr '08
For me, it boils down to one simple question: is the game good or not?

If the next game they make is fun, I'll most likely get it at some point. If it's utter rubbish, then I don't care who made it - I won't be buying it.

fair comment mate, i do think the game will be pretty special tho (the multiplayer part of it anyhoo which is what gives a game its worth in my eyes), i wouldnt be surprised on another note if bungie surprise everyone and do a huge RPG (although i dont think, or at least hope, it wont be turn based crap, good god, who likes those games????!).
headspin on 13 Apr '08
I think that if they do a FPS they'll just end up shooting themselves in the foot. As headspin has mentioned, an RPG or something different (a platformer, they're f**king needed on the 360) would be a wiser move as it deviates from what they're most popular for on the 360.
level_up on 14 Apr '08
I can't say I was particularly keen on the Halo series myself. I guess its from years of playing FPS on my PC and Goldeneye on the N64. I am old though Smile
kimoak on 14 Apr '08
I don't really care what their future releases are, they are perceived as a weak company imo and couldn't deliver after the success of the first Halo.It's safe to say they are not a company that takes risks. I felt cheated after Halo3, where the hell was the Epic battle that was meant to take place at the end of the game?, Bungie really own at anticlimaxes. The nearest you got was the Master cheif and 5 marines and a few tanks taking on those scarabs what lasted like 3 minutes. Wheather or not microsoft was limiting their creativity will be found in their new game, whatever it will be.
Deathcore on 14 Apr '08
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