Microsoft is "confident" that the Xbox 360 will live out at least a 7 year life-span, accommodating all three games in the Too Human trilogy, Microsoft Game Studios boss Shane Kim told CVG.
Speaking at the Microsoft spring media summit in San Francisco, Kim said it was the plan from the beginning that the 360 had a "long tail".
"We said from the beginning that we expect the Xbox 360 to have a long tail," he said. "Clearly we didn't do that with the original Xbox, which was a strategic decision we made. Admittedly, we don't have any experience doing this, but we're pretty confident 360 will have a long tail."
Sony has already gone on record that it has a "ten year plan" for the PS3, so it's not entirely surprising that Microsoft is also planning for the long haul with Xbox 360.
When quizzed on what this means for the Xbox 360 hardware, which will probably start to age down the line without a hi-def disc format and mandatory hard drive, Kim said Microsoft would continue to tinker with technology.
"You're going to continue to see technical innovation, it might be additional capabilities to the current format - but honestly we haven't made those kind of decisions yet.
"As far as technical limitations? We're not seeing those. I think there's the potential for more multi-disc titles, we've already shipped a few of those already. But I don't think this is so drastic that people will start saying that Microsoft missed a trick with not using Blu-ray. I just don't believe that.
"What we've been able to see with the vast majority of titles on Xbox 360, is the range of experiences that haven't been restricted with the lack of a hard drive and a larger capacity disc."
That would give it till 2013, with a new console likely to be out around 2011-2012 thats a realistic figure really. MS wont drop the 360 like they did the xbox 1, its a fantastic consoles and is doing very well for them.
Yea I agree, the 360 is a financial success compared to the xbox even though the whole repair thing. I think we'll see many different iterations but not necessarily a new console in the next few years. This is good news that they intend to keep the community strong and not abandoning it with new hardware.
it'll be dead as a door know the last 2 years if the PS2 is anything to go by( ok, FF12 and God of war 2 came out on its last legs ), but the console usually looks so old and is that cheap that it ends up with kiddy games
That's good. I wouldn't want Microsoft to do well and suddenly bring out a new console once the sales decline a little. It's been out 2 years, so 5 years left is pretty decent i think, people speculated much sooner. It's also good for Sony fans i guess, because i'm sure if Microsoft rushed through a console, Sony would have a decent go too-don't want to make the same mistakes. After all, Sony's 10 year plan just means it will be supported for 10 years, not the main Sony console...
The 360 already looks old to me as a PC gamer and if it going to be around for another 5 years I think a lot of people will come back to PC because the xbox won't be able to keep up. The ps3 has the cell and blu-ray and it hasn't even really got going yet so it should hold up much better.
The 360 was a rushed out console with cheap hardware. With so many games being co-developed for it and PC I am concerned that the 360s outdated hardware will hold back progress on the PC.
HD formats don't matter as it will probably be all DLC in 7 years. Just because you like your HD to come with a disc and a case doesn't matter. It happened to music and it will happen to movies. Oh and I doubt people will flock back to PC gaming, too much piracy and BS patches to hunt down. It won't matter if the Wii is dead in a few years. It turned a profit from the start so what would they care.
I'm not sure what people mean by 'HD format' since the Xbox360 is a hi-def console. Perhaps it's referring to the hi-def movie disc capabilities of the PS3 (Blu-Ray), in which case I don't think that matters so much. Xbox360 is already home to downloadable hi-def movies. But I think that as long as there are good games it can survive. I'd never watch movies on the Xbox360 anyway because it's so noisy.
In the wake of the Wii, ageing graphical performance probably isn't a huge issue either. Developers will find ways to squeeze more and more out of it.
Whilst disc capacity is not as good as Blu-Ray, there's no reason why they couldn't use multiple discs for most games - remember Shenmue on Dreamcast? I suppose that some games like GTA just wouldn't work like that. Imagine having to change discs every time you went over a bridge!
The key to success as with all the consoles is great titles that are right for their core market.
I can imagine it will last 7 years, simply because not even can afford a £400 launch machine!
Hell i can pop down the local gamestation now and pick up a Xbox 1 and look at PS2 - still to buy brand new!!!
But no i think the 360 has peaked (Will do once GW2 is out) and i wouldnt say the PS3 will be much further behind before its maxed out!
So i guess im already looking forward to the next gen!
Although with the new PC Graphics Card's coming out soon then im guessing we will have a peak then!
LkS im guessing you never had your PS3 nor 360 hooked up on a HD TV? There isnt that much difference yet! Crysis is prob the best you can get from a PC at the moment (Correct me if im wrong)! And thats coming to the PS3/360 and it will be running to High Spec or so they say!
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
I waited until the Elite was released before I joined the next-gen & happy I am too with no probs & am confident my Elite will see me thru these next 5 years. Although it's no excuse for the RROD, I've never been an early adopter of consoles, preferring to wait a year seeing as that's when most hardware niggles are ironed out & new revisions are made.
As the man said, further improvements may still be made to the current hardware so we may still get a Blu-Ray add on drive or an internal one later on, but this media is still in it's infancy & until it's read speed improves I can wait. I don't want to be waiting for installs & filling up my drive with game data, that is not the raison d'etre for console gaming. Although, the future will be in downloads just like in music, but MS are going to have to drop the prices & quadruple the size of their hard drives in the future to convert most people.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
People keep talking about how everything will be downloaded in a few years for movies, that's complete s**te, the UK doesnt have the capacity to handle the amount of data being sent in the UK right now and to update to the latest tech would cost the comms industry millions which the consumer would have to pay!
Downloading an album is one thing but HD movies are a long way off in the UK,
People keep talking about how everything will be downloaded in a few years for movies, that's complete s**te, the UK doesnt have the capacity to handle the amount of data being sent in the UK right now and to update to the latest tech would cost the comms industry millions which the consumer would have to pay!
Downloading an album is one thing but HD movies are a long way off in the UK,
Downloading is in its infancy, the UK internet doesn't have the bandwidth to cope with film downloads.
DVD & Blu Ray will be around for a good while yet.
I'm not sure what people mean by 'HD format' since the Xbox360 is a hi-def console. Perhaps it's referring to the hi-def movie disc capabilities of the PS3 (Blu-Ray), in which case I don't think that matters so much. Xbox360 is already home to downloadable hi-def movies.
The "HD" movies on xbox live are all around 6GB in size, they would easily fit on a DVD. I wonder why Toshiba and Sony had to make disks at 30GB and 50GB???
I'm not sure what people mean by 'HD format' since the Xbox360 is a hi-def console. Perhaps it's referring to the hi-def movie disc capabilities of the PS3 (Blu-Ray), in which case I don't think that matters so much. Xbox360 is already home to downloadable hi-def movies.
The "HD" movies on xbox live are all around 6GB in size, they would easily fit on a DVD. I wonder why Toshiba and Sony had to make disks at 30GB and 50GB???
Bonus features, audio tracks & things like that maybe?
I'm not sure what people mean by 'HD format' since the Xbox360 is a hi-def console. Perhaps it's referring to the hi-def movie disc capabilities of the PS3 (Blu-Ray), in which case I don't think that matters so much. Xbox360 is already home to downloadable hi-def movies.
The "HD" movies on xbox live are all around 6GB in size, they would easily fit on a DVD. I wonder why Toshiba and Sony had to make disks at 30GB and 50GB???
Bonus features, audio tracks & things like that maybe?
You're right there, Blu Ray DVDs come absolutley stacked with extra content.
The 360 already looks old to me as a PC gamer and if it going to be around for another 5 years I think a lot of people will come back to PC because the xbox won't be able to keep up. The ps3 has the cell and blu-ray and it hasn't even really got going yet so it should hold up much better.
The 360 was a rushed out console with cheap hardware. With so many games being co-developed for it and PC I am concerned that the 360s outdated hardware will hold back progress on the PC.
the problem you have as a pc gamer is justifying the huge price tag just to play a game. i was playing crises on my mates all singing pc last weekend and thought of buying the same set up. he told me i could now get the same spec for a bargain price of about 800 quid!!! he has ordered a new beast for £2200 with the latest quad core technology and graphics card etc. this is insane just to play games. lazy programmers just working around the latest technology. non of them are trying to eek out the last breath from the last graphics card. what i think is great about the consols is the ability of the software houses to find new life in a consol years after it's release. and to be honest, after playing crisis for a few hours and being impressed, it wasn't far off what a ps3 is capable of now, let alone in the future.
As a ps3 owner I think this is a good move for Sony as it'll give them more time to built the ps3 install base up and get more games out but if MS want to make the most of any progress they have made on Sony they need a new xbox out earlier than 2012 - i think they're playing in Sony's hands but trying to drag it out.
Maybe they're planning some overlap like the ps2 and ps3 but 7 years into the 360's lifecycle will be 5 years into the ps3s and will have given Sony time to correct most of its mistakes.
The next GTA will definitley need Blu Ray - theres no doubt about it.
And how long will it take to develop the next GTA that will need to be on a Blu-Ray disk? Judging by the size of GTA IV, to justify a BR version of GTA V, it would have to be about 5 times the size - and San Andreas tells us that people don't like games that big, they get overwhelmed.
I will be VERY surprised if GTA V *needs* Blu Ray.
We're barely 5 months into 2008 at the moment, how about we concentrate on that for a bit.
Isn't it funny how things change - like 8 months ago, everyone was saying how '2008 will be the year of the PS3', now everyone seems to accept that actually, that would be 2009.
If I were you, I'd be asking what PS3 exclusives are coming for the rest of this year - MGS4 and LBP. Is that it?
The "HD" movies on xbox live are all around 6GB in size, they would easily fit on a DVD. I wonder why Toshiba and Sony had to make disks at 30GB and 50GB???
That's because the "HD" movies on Xbox live aren't propper full HD. They're only 720p (1280x720) rather than 1080p (1920x1080). That's over twice the pixels.
And that's without considering extras in HD and lossless multi-channel surround sound. The Xbox downloads are stero only.
The downloads are HD-Lite and far from the real deal. Things were already getting a bit tight on Toshiba's 30GB disc before they threw in the towel.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Onwing all 3 console's this gen, PS3 so far has been a huge let down. I remember back at E3 when loads of games were shown off and promised for launch. We now jump forward to present day and excluding MGS4 and possibily LBP, PS3 actually won't have any worthwhile games until 2009, and that's if Killzone 2 actually manages to be decent and if FF13 see's the light of day in the US/Europe... If not then we are left another year waiting for PS3 to deliver. As for 360, unlike Sony, MS tries to put the focus on the present and what you can expect within the year's time frame. This is because they actually have games to look forward to (Gears 2, Fable 2, Banjo 3) so don't need to 'pimp' the console but advertising games that won't be released for another year or 2...
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Too bad the PS3's exclusives for 2009 are the ones that were supposed to be released in 2007 and 2008
The next GTA will definitley need Blu Ray - theres no doubt about it.
nonsense. if the game is too big to fit on one DVD, then use two, simple solution that has worked fine for loads of games already on the PS2 and 360 and PC.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
The next GTA will definitley need Blu Ray - theres no doubt about it.
nonsense. if the game is too big to fit on one DVD, then use two, simple solution that has worked fine for loads of games already on the PS2 and 360 and PC.
That doesn't work too well for a game like GTA though, as the radio stations, car and character textures etc etc are seen everywhere - each disk would duplicate a hell of a lot.
guys this has to end. Lets all make one thing clear, every console out at the moment has less than five big titles coming up this year.so moan about the ps3 line up or the 360 line up, but when you actually think about it there should be more for each console. oh and have you ever considerd personal choices of games? I want mgs4 and fable 2 more than anything else this year.
Why are people arguing about 2009 when we're not even halfway through 2008? In the here and now, 360's 2008 schedule rapes the PS3...
Anyway, I see no reason why the 360 can't and indeed won't last 7 years. As for perceived technical limitations, three years in they don't seems to have harmed it thus far. Also, if GTA4 can fit on a single DVD, I'm sure most games will. We will no doubt see more multi-disc games, but that doesn't particularly bother me. There are creative ways of arranging data, I'm sure.
We pretty much know all the current consoles are in it for the long haul, which is very good for the consumer.
LkS im guessing you never had your PS3 nor 360 hooked up on a HD TV? There isnt that much difference yet! Crysis is prob the best you can get from a PC at the moment (Correct me if im wrong)! And thats coming to the PS3/360 and it will be running to High Spec or so they say!
everything on the pc looks better than both consoles, you cant even compare the gfx of a console to a pc. CoD4 on pc looks alot better on pc than x360 and ps3..and yes ive hooked it up to a hi-def tv...who doesnt have HDtv these days?
Well, Unless they are really stupid like the software division at MS (New replacement for Vista next year) they are hardly likely to say, yes we have got a new console lined up for two years time, are they!! As it would not really drive 360 sales now would it!!
Until Games really push the PS3 boundaries and 50GB disk space, then the 360 still has life in the old dog, so to speak. Plus if they bring out new units, with new drives, then they need to be able to produce bolt ons for old units, so as not to p**s people off!!
Why does no-one ever point out that the 'lifespan' of a console, from the manufacturer's point of view, is just how long they think they can keep selling it for (not the length of time that you think the machine will be 'cutting edge').
PS2 had a long 'lifespan' but that didn't stop Sony from releasing the PS3 6 years in. It's always 5-6 years before your technology is out of date enough to justify a new machine - but you can keep selling the old machine if it's cheap and has a decent games catalogue. Xbox fell down on the games catalogue side of things, but the 360 won't. People will continue to but the 360 as a budget friendly option in the same way that people still buy the PS2 instead of a PS3. Plenty of games + nice and cheap.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
Ouch, an underwhelming FPS and the sequel to a half finished launch game. Is that it?
The next GTA will definitley need Blu Ray - theres no doubt about it.
I'm doubting it. The next GTA game will more than likely be a Vice-City-style reimagining on the same sort of scale as GTA IV. They'll save 'GTA5' for the next generation of hardware.
On a side note, having completed GTA4 I am looking forward to the DLC even more than I was before..
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
Apologies, I took those release dates with a pinch of salt. I read Resistance 2 Prologue & Motorstorm 2 Prologue to be released at £25 a pop & the full games to come a year later.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
Ouch, an underwhelming FPS and the sequel to a half finished launch game. Is that it?
pretty much (f**king fanboy runt)
although in some peoples opinions these are some big games to be coming out this year despite their predecors, but thats not the point is it........... idiot
oh and wipeout HD should be good.
IMO gears was pants but i'm looking forward to the sequel.
i'm not about to start another 360 rant from some cretin who has a point to prove.
Why is it always next years exclusives for the PS3, concentrate on the present. Honestly its MAY!
Couldn't give a stuff about the 7/10 year cycles rubbish. I always upgrade as soon as i can anyways so 4/5 years is more than fine with me.
360's line-up for this year is now looking fairly good. Infact i'm more than happy. Have my shooting requirements covered by GOW2 which look amazing, my RPG by Fable 2 & hopefully if it turns out good Too Human, & Viva Pinata & Banjo to finish me of.
think i remember reading somewhere that they always intended it to be very short lived. It was just an attempt to get some market exposure & knowledge etc so they could hopefully compete this generation.
Yeah the 360 could last as long as they're saying.
As a proud owner of both a 360 and ps3, i have to admit i've seen nothing on the ps3 that can't be done on a 360 yet. Bluray should benefit games eventually(i hope), but i've seen no signs of it yet.
I still think the 360 has a better 2008 lineup than the ps3. Ok, so i'm not a massive fan of metal gear solid(lots of people are), i'm also not a big race game fan(gran turismo does look good though), so that basically leaves me with titles that are on the 360 as well(GTA4 etc)or the upcoming little big planet(which looks a tad too quirky to me). Gears of war 2, Fable 2 and Banjo all get my attention a bit more than the ps3's lineup this year.
I'm not dissing the ps3 here, i'd just be happier with a few more big name exclusives for the machine this year.
Intel and Nvidia still held the rights to the chips and were selling it as a price that would cost them to lose money if they continued supporting it at the sub £100 mark.
That's what they said anyway.
Both machines have let me down this gen. MS where is my Rallisport 2? Sony where is my rumble and full version of GT? *shakes fist*
While I'm at it Nintendo where is Stunt Race FX 2?
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be playing MGS 4 too, but you won't...
I'm not sure what people mean by 'HD format' since the Xbox360 is a hi-def console. Perhaps it's referring to the hi-def movie disc capabilities of the PS3 (Blu-Ray), in which case I don't think that matters so much. Xbox360 is already home to downloadable hi-def movies.
The "HD" movies on xbox live are all around 6GB in size, they would easily fit on a DVD. I wonder why Toshiba and Sony had to make disks at 30GB and 50GB???
To answer your question - they're 30 / 50GB just to p*** you off.
HD movies with lossless audio at 1080p are regularly well in excess of 15GB. I don't know what's released on XBL but 6GB for a HD movie is merely a bad joke.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be playing MGS 4 too, but you won't...
No it won't last until 2013, not with it's DVD drive and no hard-drive.The developers are already feeling the squeeze on the limited capacity dual-layer DVD drive the 360 has. Next year it will be even worse. By 2010 they'll struggle to get one level on the cursed things, and by 2011 the only option would be to release a game where each level is on a separate disc. Ha yeah that is what is going to happen..
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
they had better make resistance2 a gigantic improvement on the first one then to try and even come close to gears, and i downloaded the demo of motorstorm and then deleted it straight away, waste of hard disk space.... whens tekken 6 and wipeout hd out, now theyre games im waiting for on my ps3....
LkS im guessing you never had your PS3 nor 360 hooked up on a HD TV? There isnt that much difference yet! Crysis is prob the best you can get from a PC at the moment (Correct me if im wrong)! And thats coming to the PS3/360 and it will be running to High Spec or so they say!
I don't own any console and I never have. I have had my pc hooked up to a HD display (my monitor) for over 10 years. Crysis as it is on PC would be impossible on a console (not enough ram or processing power). It would have to be heavily stripped down to run on consoles and then it would look like any other game. But if you play it maxed out on PC some parts are truly breathtaking and offer a visual experience that is pure art. You can't concentrate on the game because you are just staring mesmerized like a small child.
the problem you have as a pc gamer is justifying the huge price tag just to play a game. i was playing crises on my mates all singing pc last weekend and thought of buying the same set up. he told me i could now get the same spec for a bargain price of about 800 quid!!! Shocked he has ordered a new beast for £2200 with the latest quad core technology and graphics card etc. this is insane just to play games. lazy programmers just working around the latest technology. non of them are trying to eek out the last breath from the last graphics card.
Your mate is insane. I built my pc for around £500 and it can play crysis at high settings (not perfectly but good enough). It does take a bit of technical knowledge but it isn't that hard these days and PC component prices have fallen a lot. Crysis has a well written engine, it's just about 3 years ahead of current technology. A PC also does a lot more than play games and I don't pay Live subscriptions and games are cheaper. I suppose it's just what suits you but for me the extra effort required to play on PC is worth it for the scale and incredible technical complexity of some PC games. Look at ArmA MP in my sig. That game can have over 100 players engaged in war over a huge island with no loads and up to 10Km view distances. It is impossible on a console but as with crysis I wish everyone could experience it.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be playing MGS 4 too, but you won't...
you forgot Motorstom 2
Gears of War 2 is the only big game coming to the 360 in the future. That is the only one of any interest to me. What else is coming? Don't give me rubbish like Alan Wake(???) or Too Human, Halo Wars and Fable 2. These are not exciting titles and moreover will not shift consoles.
We're barely 5 months into 2008 at the moment, how about we concentrate on that for a bit.
Isn't it funny how things change - like 8 months ago, everyone was saying how '2008 will be the year of the PS3', now everyone seems to accept that actually, that would be 2009.
If I were you, I'd be asking what PS3 exclusives are coming for the rest of this year - MGS4 and LBP. Is that it?
2009? I don't think so. 2008 is still on the cards, nothing has changed there.
How many 360's have been sold in 2008 so far? As I seem to recall until the price cut, the 360 was stuck on about 17M sales and only recently hit 19M.
The PS3 sold 9.24M in 2007 and Sony are predicting another 10M sales in 2008. That is actually a conservative estimate. By the end of 2008, Sony's PS3 can expect to catch up to the number of 360's out there. http://darkzero.co.uk/game-news/924m-ps3s-sold-in-2007-10m-2008-target/
Same sales in a shorter timespan. As for 2009, the 360 will be shot down. Microsoft will look to bolster their market on their gimmick remote. Crash and burn baby.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be playing MGS 4 too, but you won't...
neither will i, ill rent a blu-ray title for my ps3, same thing but at a cheaper price...
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be watching MGS 4 too, but you won't...
guys this has to end. Lets all make one thing clear, every console out at the moment has less than five big titles coming up this year.so moan about the ps3 line up or the 360 line up, but when you actually think about it there should be more for each console. oh and have you ever considerd personal choices of games? I want mgs4 and fable 2 more than anything else this year.
(GT5 Prologue). Haze. WipEout HD. Little Big Planet. Resistance 2. Motorstorm 2. Metal Gear Solid 4. (Home - if you can call that a game)...
Hmm... Just scratching the surface reveals more than 5 big EXCLUSIVE titles on PS3 this year.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
Ouch, an underwhelming FPS and the sequel to a half finished launch game. Is that it?
pretty much (f**king fanboy runt)
although in some peoples opinions these are some big games to be coming out this year despite their predecors, but thats not the point is it........... idiot
oh and wipeout HD should be good.
IMO gears was pants but i'm looking forward to the sequel.
i'm not about to start another 360 rant from some cretin who has a point to prove.
they had better make resistance2 a gigantic improvement on the first one then to try and even come close to gears, and i downloaded the demo of motorstorm and then deleted it straight away, waste of hard disk space.... whens tekken 6 and wipeout hd out, now theyre games im waiting for on my ps3....
Ah always good to judge a game based on a demo of its prequel. No Motorstorm 2 demo has been released yet.
Resistance 2 is moving along nicely. 60 players simultaneous online will offer far more online than GoW 2. Graphically, you're comparing a 1st gen title to a 3rd gen title. Didn't you know that the firmware footprint of the PS3 has been cut in half since launch? That's more RAM to play with and more space to load texture data.
WipEout HD will be out within the next 2 weeks. Keep your eyes peeled.
I'm actually more excited for the 360 "Reworking" with the new chips (And hopefully new drive) that make the machine quieter, cooler and more death proof. The day those hit the shelves, my Elite gets traded in.
As for now, I see a nice long future for both the PS3 and the 360 (although slightly more so for the PS3). I mean, what more could you do? 1080p is the maximum a consumer TV can handle and will be for a VERY long time. So i'm worried that the next gen consoles will not be much of a leap forward (MS, Sony PLEASE don't come up with gimmic controllers to make up for it )
I'm actually more excited for the 360 "Reworking" with the new chips (And hopefully new drive) that make the machine quieter, cooler and more death proof. The day those hit the shelves, my Elite gets traded in.
A nice thought, but Microsoft are not updating the 360's external design and the fact is, unless you know someone who works in the store, you won't know whether you're buying new stock or old stock.
Funny how Microsoft must calculate its sales... Considering the willingness of XBox 360 owners to trade their units in to buy new / other ones. Just about every 360 owner out there was probably keeping their eyes peeled when the Halo edition and Elite's were released. Fact is - even the modern day Arcade 360 is noisy - and all units are known to suffer from the RROD.
the fact is, unless you know someone who works in the store, you won't know whether you're buying new stock or old stock.
You can ask a member of staff to look at the manufacture date on the box, which is what I did to get my Falcon 360 (Which isn't as quiet as I was told )
the fact is, unless you know someone who works in the store, you won't know whether you're buying new stock or old stock.
You can ask a member of staff to look at the manufacture date on the box, which is what I did to get my Falcon 360 (Which isn't as quiet as I was told )
As long as they're helpful - yes. Also assuming they have any of the latest models in stock. It may not be worth a store re-ordering. I suppose it depends on whether anyone is still buying 360's by the time Microsoft makes their technology quiet & reliable. If they ever do...
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Resistance 2 and motorstorm 2
idiot
Ouch, an underwhelming FPS and the sequel to a half finished launch game. Is that it?
pretty much (f**king fanboy runt)
although in some peoples opinions these are some big games to be coming out this year despite their predecors, but thats not the point is it........... idiot
oh and wipeout HD should be good.
IMO gears was pants but i'm looking forward to the sequel.
i'm not about to start another 360 rant from some cretin who has a point to prove.
No rant, fact pal.
you're still missing the point. how can you assume that a reworked from the bottom up iteration of Motorstorm is anything compared to a release title over a year and a half ago?
the engine is completely different and they're going to fix a lot of the issues surrounding the original.
resistance 2 i'm not too sure about as the market is flooded with FPS's but it might be worthwhile looking into for some people.
2009? I don't think so. 2008 is still on the cards, nothing has changed there.
How many 360's have been sold in 2008 so far? As I seem to recall until the price cut, the 360 was stuck on about 17M sales and only recently hit 19M.
The PS3 sold 9.24M in 2007 and Sony are predicting another 10M sales in 2008. That is actually a conservative estimate. By the end of 2008, Sony's PS3 can expect to catch up to the number of 360's out there. http://darkzero.co.uk/game-news/924m-ps3s-sold-in-2007-10m-2008-target/
Same sales in a shorter timespan. As for 2009, the 360 will be shot down. Microsoft will look to bolster their market on their gimmick remote. Crash and burn baby.
Who said anything about consoles sold? I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
Who said anything about consoles sold? I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
A list of a few 2008 big exclusives... (Gran Turismo 5 Prologue). Haze. WipEout HD. Metal Gear Solid 4. Little Big Planet. Resistance 2. Motorstorm 2. (Home).
For 2009, see Final Fantasy 13, Tekken 6, Gran Turismo 5 and KillZone 2.
That lot is better than GoW 2 and Alan Wake (WTF is this?!). If anything it is the 360 that is struggling to produce exclusives this year and next.
Yeah the 360 could last as long as they're saying.
As a proud owner of both a 360 and ps3, i have to admit i've seen nothing on the ps3 that can't be done on a 360 yet. Bluray should benefit games eventually(i hope), but i've seen no signs of it yet.
I still think the 360 has a better 2008 lineup than the ps3. Ok, so i'm not a massive fan of metal gear solid(lots of people are), i'm also not a big race game fan(gran turismo does look good though), so that basically leaves me with titles that are on the 360 as well(GTA4 etc)or the upcoming little big planet(which looks a tad too quirky to me). Gears of war 2, Fable 2 and Banjo all get my attention a bit more than the ps3's lineup this year.
I'm not dissing the ps3 here, i'd just be happier with a few more big name exclusives for the machine this year.
I'm in the same boat, The only games that have been worthwhile on PS3 for me have been the excellent Ratchet & Clank & Drakes Fortune.
All multiformat games get bought for my 360 for 4 reasons
1. they are the same or better 2. Achievements! 3. I know more people with 360s for multiplayer & comparing gamerscores 4. Controller is way better
Does look like there are a few good'uns on the way (at last) Haze, Resistance2, WipeOut HD
I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
Well my PS3 games collection consists of...
Motorstom Unreal Tournament III (WITH MODS) Burnout Paradise Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Rainbow Six Vegas 2 GTA4 Uncharted Drake's Fortune MGS4 (In 29 days LOL)
Erm, how is the PS3 incapable of producing games? Those are pretty fine games to me, even the multiplat ones. Don't be a fanboy.
I'm in the same boat, The only games that have been worthwhile on PS3 for me have been the excellent Ratchet & Clank & Drakes Fortune.
All multiformat games get bought for my 360 for 4 reasons
1. they are the same or better 2. Achievements! 3. I know more people with 360s for multiplayer & comparing gamerscores 4. Controller is way better
Does look like there are a few good'uns on the way (at last) Haze, Resistance2, WipeOut HD
1. 2008+ versions of multi-format games are the same or better on PS3. 2. PS3 will have achievements in June with in-game messaging. 3. I know more people with PS3's for multi-player. Achievements will be comparable as soon as they arrive in June. 4. PS3 controller > 360 controller easily.
I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
Well my PS3 games collection consists of...
Motorstom Unreal Tournament III (WITH MODS) Burnout Paradise Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Rainbow Six Vegas 2 GTA4 Uncharted Drake's Fortune MGS4 (In 29 days LOL)
Erm, how is the PS3 incapable of producing games? Those are pretty fine games to me, even the multiplat ones. Don't be a fanboy.
Exactly and that says something for 360-ninian's who rant on about their attach rate of 7+ games.
Who said anything about consoles sold? I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
A list of a few 2008 big exclusives...
There's more than this? I will find that VERY impressive if that is the case. From purely a business perspective if nothing else - it isn't good practise to release too many 'big' games too close together.
Also, are all of the guaranteed for 2008?
(Gran Turismo 5 Prologue). Haze. WipEout HD. Metal Gear Solid 4. Little Big Planet. Resistance 2. Motorstorm 2. (Home).
While I applaud the fact that Sony are FINALLY getting exclusives out, I would question whether some of these are 'big' exclusives. Will Haze, MotorStorm and Resistance really be seen as big exclusives? Doubtful.
For 2009, see Final Fantasy 13, Tekken 6, Gran Turismo 5 and KillZone 2.
That lot is better than GoW 2 and Alan Wake (WTF is this?!).
Alan Wake. There is little info out there on this to date, but it looks to me to be another Silent Hill-esque game. And it has definitely piqued peoples interests.
If anything it is the 360 that is struggling to produce exclusives this year and next.
(off the top of my head) Banjo-Kajooie: Nuts and Bolts Fable 2 Too Human Gears of War 2 Viva Pinata Alan Wake Ninja Gaiden II
Not so bad if you ask me. And there's almost certainly some that I have overlooked owing to the fact that I have ZERO interest in them.
I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
Well my PS3 games collection consists of...
Motorstom Unreal Tournament III (WITH MODS) Burnout Paradise Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Rainbow Six Vegas 2 GTA4 Uncharted Drake's Fortune MGS4 (In 29 days LOL)
Erm, how is the PS3 incapable of producing games? Those are pretty fine games to me, even the multiplat ones. Don't be a fanboy.
It was a sweeping generalisation. And I wasn't being a fanboy, merely defending the ridiculous claims that the 360 has no exclusives coming or worthy of looking at, yet the PS3 is our saviour, and can do no wrong.
I'm in the same boat, The only games that have been worthwhile on PS3 for me have been the excellent Ratchet & Clank & Drakes Fortune.
All multiformat games get bought for my 360 for 4 reasons
1. they are the same or better 2. Achievements! 3. I know more people with 360s for multiplayer & comparing gamerscores 4. Controller is way better
Does look like there are a few good'uns on the way (at last) Haze, Resistance2, WipeOut HD
1. 2008+ versions of multi-format games are the same or better on PS3. 2. PS3 will have achievements in June with in-game messaging. 3. I know more people with PS3's for multi-player. Achievements will be comparable as soon as they arrive in June. 4. PS3 controller > 360 controller easily.
why are you trying to prove him wrong? you cant really say "well i know more people with ps3's so there, xbox is crap" because he's making a valid point as to why he prefers buying multiformat games on the xbox
and fair enough if you prefer the ps3 controllers but again, stop shooting him down for expressing his opinion
I'm in the same boat, The only games that have been worthwhile on PS3 for me have been the excellent Ratchet & Clank & Drakes Fortune.
All multiformat games get bought for my 360 for 4 reasons
1. they are the same or better 2. Achievements! 3. I know more people with 360s for multiplayer & comparing gamerscores 4. Controller is way better
Does look like there are a few good'uns on the way (at last) Haze, Resistance2, WipeOut HD
1. 2008+ versions of multi-format games are the same or better on PS3. 2. PS3 will have achievements in June with in-game messaging. 3. I know more people with PS3's for multi-player. Achievements will be comparable as soon as they arrive in June. 4. PS3 controller > 360 controller easily.
The only multiformat game that's better on PS3 is GTA4, surely - not actually seen it but the popup problem has GOT to be better than the appaling level on 360
PS3 achievements, in game messaging, are basics that really should've been there from the start. Can't wait to see 'em on my PS3, but feels years away, & when they arrive they'll probably be as half-baked as the PS Store.
You can't seriously think that the Sixaxis controller is any good, let alone better than the 360 controller -
*No Rumble *Way too light *trigger buttons are the wrong way round & unresponsive *Analogue sticks are unresponsive & in wrong position
Who said anything about consoles sold? I'm talking games here, and that is something which the PS3 seems incapable of producing.
A list of a few 2008 big exclusives...
There's more than this? I will find that VERY impressive if that is the case. From purely a business perspective if nothing else - it isn't good practise to release too many 'big' games too close together.
Also, are all of the guaranteed for 2008?
(Gran Turismo 5 Prologue). Haze. WipEout HD. Metal Gear Solid 4. Little Big Planet. Resistance 2. Motorstorm 2. (Home).
While I applaud the fact that Sony are FINALLY getting exclusives out, I would question whether some of these are 'big' exclusives. Will Haze, MotorStorm and Resistance really be seen as big exclusives? Doubtful.
For 2009, see Final Fantasy 13, Tekken 6, Gran Turismo 5 and KillZone 2.
That lot is better than GoW 2 and Alan Wake (WTF is this?!).
Alan Wake. There is little info out there on this to date, but it looks to me to be another Silent Hill-esque game. And it has definitely piqued peoples interests.
If anything it is the 360 that is struggling to produce exclusives this year and next.
(off the top of my head) Banjo-Kajooie: Nuts and Bolts Fable 2 Too Human Gears of War 2 Viva Pinata Alan Wake Ninja Gaiden II
Not so bad if you ask me. And there's almost certainly some that I have overlooked owing to the fact that I have ZERO interest in them.
Here's another couple of PS3 (not 360) titles to throw in the pot... Crysis and Siren.
Loved your list, now lets go through them.
Banjo-Kajooie: Nuts and Bolts > Won't sell any 360's and will be lucky to do as well as Ratchet & Clank on PS3.
Fable 2 > Might sell a 360 or 2, but won't shift many.
Too Human > Won't sell any 360's.
Gears of War 2 > All 360 owners are depending on this.
Viva Pinata > Won't sell any 360's.
Alan Wake > Won't sell any 360's.
Ninja Gaiden II > The other fairly decent release on 360 - but unlike GoW 2, this one won't actually shift 360 sales.
Now lets look at my little list, which are all confirmed for 2008.
GT5P - Has sold very well and has sold many PS3's.
Haze - May '08. Will certainly SELL very well. Sales will certainly rival Ninja Gaiden 2 on 360.
WipEout HD - May '08. As one of the main staples for the Playstation this title will sell many PS3's.
Metal Gear Solid 4 - June '08. Will sell many PS3's.
Little Big Planet - Sept '08. Will be a HUGE surprise and will sell many PS3's.
Resistance 2 - Nov '08. Going up directly against GoW 2, this will sell probably almost as well as GoW 2 initially and will sell PS3's.
Motorstorm 2 - Nov '08. Will sell PS3's and will help Resistance 2 to put the PS3 level with or ahead of the 360 in terms of total sales.
Home (free) - Nov '08. Will offer over and above what's available on 360 and will help to sell many more PS3's.
Those releases look to run throughout 2008 and I wouldn't call them too close together.
Ah always good to judge a game based on a demo of its prequel. No Motorstorm 2 demo has been released yet.
Resistance 2 is moving along nicely. 60 players simultaneous online will offer far more online than GoW 2. Graphically, you're comparing a 1st gen title to a 3rd gen title. Didn't you know that the firmware footprint of the PS3 has been cut in half since launch? That's more RAM to play with and more space to load texture data.
WipEout HD will be out within the next 2 weeks. Keep your eyes peeled.
Tekken 6 is another 2009 exclusive.
i just didnt like the feel of motorstorm, maybe if they fix that i might like it. im not looking forward to the 60 player thing, i wouldnt on any game at all (not into mmo's before you say those) correct me if im wrong but wont alot of the skill go out of the window with that?? and therefore the fun?? im just not liking the sound of that bit one bit. i thought resistence (the original) was an average campaign shooter and terrible on line.
wipeout Hd, you say 2 weeks, better make sure i dont go nuts with my money over the next 2 weeks then as i want that game so bad, wipeout is what made me buy the original playstation and is awesome no matter what any 360/wii fanboy tries to say... tekken 6, 2009???!!!! why is it taking so long??? i want that damn game now!!! king of all fighters!!!!
LordVonPS3, do you work for Sony or have shares in the company or something?
You seem to have an irrational affinity for this corporation and how many game consoles they manage to sell..
Do you feel that the purpose of your life is somehow directly related to the sales differential between the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3?
Or maybe you're a silly little fanboy... Why would you care how a company is faring in the international market as long as you are enjoying their products? And why do you seemingly want the Xbox 360 to be a failure? Competition is a good thing. Please remove your tongue from Sony's anus and your posts might be less full of bull.
No way it could last that long. I reckon about 2010 or possibly 2011 next consoles will be out. I'm most looking forward to Nintendo's next effort tbh - that's much more of an unkown than the nextbox and ps4. But all this stuff about longevity completely goes against the rising rivalry bewteen companies.
Apparently all PS3 upcoming games are guaranteed to sell bucket-loads of PS3 consoles & all upcoming 360 games are guaranteed to sell nothing & shift no consoles.
Better get some Sony stock whilst it's cheap.
Try, or at the very least pretend, to be subjective. Your suggesting as fact something which is your opinion and quite a heavily slanted opinion it is to.
This news only serves to vindicate Hirai-san's announcement that the PS3 will have a 10 year life span. As I commented in a previous thread, console manufacturers will be trying to make their money from a well established (and hopefully huge) user base.
Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 confirmed for 2009 on PS3 so far.
What are the 2009 360 exclusives?
Fantastic, finally something for PS3 owners to look forward to... in 2009! What about this year, what will you be playing when Gears 2 comes out at Xmas, Metal Gear Cut Scene 4?
Aside from what's been released already...
WipEout HD, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet.
I might also be playing MGS 4 too, but you won't...
I thank my lucky stars I won't be playing Metal Gear Cut Scene 4! I had the misfortune of buying 2 thinking it would be better than 1, I stopped playing at the part where your codec goes mental & tells you to have a break from playing, yes I took a break, a permenant one! I'll take hoo-ahh Lancer in the face Gears anytime over sneaky stabby in backy cut scene cup of tea time MGCS.
You really believe this? Man alive, I've hated the PS pad ever since the PS1, and it's barely changed.
Ah well, to each their own.
All PS1 and PS2 owners will agree with me. The PS3 pad is not significantly different - particularly DS3.
Come on, the PS2/3 controller is the connossiuers choice. How can you play Street Fighter on an Xbox controller?? It is rubbish! Or a Tekken or Virtua Fighter game?? It is ok if like most 360 owners you only play macho shooty FPS's, for that it is better, but for most other games the classic Dualshock is peerless!
tekken 6, 2009???!!!! why is it taking so long??? i want that damn game now!!! king of all fighters!!!!
What do you expect me to say?
The advantage of Blu-ray is you can fit a lot more on it.
The disadvantage of Blu-ray is that if you want to fill it, you need work harder and create more stuff, which inevitably results in longer development time.
Of course, that doesn't stop anyone producing somewhat more limited games like Virtua Fighter 5. Not that I'm trying to knock what is a very good game though.
PS3 achievements, in game messaging, are basics that really should've been there from the start. Can't wait to see 'em on my PS3, but feels years away, & when they arrive they'll probably be as half-baked as the PS Store.
You can't seriously think that the Sixaxis controller is any good, let alone better than the 360 controller -
*No Rumble *Way too light *trigger buttons are the wrong way round & unresponsive *Analogue sticks are unresponsive & in wrong position
1. June for Firmware 2.40, featuring in game messaging & 2D achievements.
LordVonPS3, do you work for Sony or have shares in the company or something?
You seem to have an irrational affinity for this corporation and how many game consoles they manage to sell..
Do you feel that the purpose of your life is somehow directly related to the sales differential between the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3?
Or maybe you're a silly little fanboy... Why would you care how a company is faring in the international market as long as you are enjoying their products? And why do you seemingly want the Xbox 360 to be a failure? Competition is a good thing. Please remove your tongue from Sony's anus and your posts might be less full of bull.
A, B or C... I don't see that you need to concern yourself enough to actually feel the need to post about it.
Apparently all PS3 upcoming games are guaranteed to sell bucket-loads of PS3 consoles & all upcoming 360 games are guaranteed to sell nothing & shift no consoles.
Better get some Sony stock whilst it's cheap.
Try, or at the very least pretend, to be subjective. Your suggesting as fact something which is your opinion and quite a heavily slanted opinion it is to.
You could do a lot worse than to buy stock right now. Seriously, compare the Japanese and Western stock markets. Failing that, just go and buy a PS3.
tekken 6, 2009???!!!! why is it taking so long??? i want that damn game now!!! king of all fighters!!!!
What do you expect me to say?
The advantage of Blu-ray is you can fit a lot more on it.
The disadvantage of Blu-ray is that if you want to fill it, you need work harder and create more stuff, which inevitably results in longer development time.
Of course, that doesn't stop anyone producing somewhat more limited games like Virtua Fighter 5. Not that I'm trying to knock what is a very good game though.
If Blu-Ray is so pant wettingly amazing, massive capacity blah HD blah la, why is GTAIV running at 630p on PS3 but 720p on past it blahdy blah RROD blah 360?
tekken 6, 2009???!!!! why is it taking so long??? i want that damn game now!!! king of all fighters!!!!
What do you expect me to say?
The advantage of Blu-ray is you can fit a lot more on it.
The disadvantage of Blu-ray is that if you want to fill it, you need work harder and create more stuff, which inevitably results in longer development time.
Of course, that doesn't stop anyone producing somewhat more limited games like Virtua Fighter 5. Not that I'm trying to knock what is a very good game though.
If Blu-Ray is so pant wettingly amazing, massive capacity blah HD blah la, why is GTAIV running at 630p on PS3 but 720p on past it blahdy blah RROD blah 360?
Actually, it is 640p and the PS3 version has post-process filtering that helps reduce jaggies and horrible texture dithering on the 360 version. Oh and the PS3 has a more stable frame rate and less texture pop-in...
None of that has anything to do with Blu-ray and I frankly don't want to talk too much about GTA 4, enough has been said already. Why not just play it?
Come on, the PS2/3 controller is the connossiuers choice. How can you play Street Fighter on an Xbox controller?? It is rubbish! Or a Tekken or Virtua Fighter game?? It is ok if like most 360 owners you only play macho shooty FPS's, for that it is better, but for most other games the classic Dualshock is peerless!
lol. If you were trying to make a point then you could have done better than name three games from the same genre..
Also I feel the 360 controller is also better for platforming, racing, adventure games... But yeah, DualShock works for fighting.
why is GTAIV running at 630p on PS3 but 720p on past it blahdy blah RROD blah 360?
The 360 was the lead development console for GTA4. Usually always the lead development machine is the slightly better technically due to the problems some coders have with porting. Interestingly a lot of programmers are saying that from now on most games will be programmed for the PS3 and then ported over to the 360. Apparently it's easyer this way.
Actually, it is 640p and the PS3 version has post-process filtering that helps reduce jaggies and horrible texture dithering on the 360 version. Oh and the PS3 has a more stable frame rate and less texture pop-in...
None of that has anything to do with Blu-ray and I frankly don't want to talk too much about GTA 4, enough has been said already. Why not just play it?
Ah yes the post-process BLUR filter, much the same filter I apply in Photoshop to god awful lo-res stock library images I use in design concept work, to make them easier on the eye.
Frame rate is solid over here, texture pop-in is minimal, lessons the more you play per session as the cache loads up, must agree with the shadow dithering though, found that if you set the output to 720p rather than 1080p (HDMI enabled 360's only!) this helps, why let a £300 console upscale over a £1000 LCD ? Also, to recreate the PS3 GTAIV post-process blur, set your telly's sharpness to -30, magic!
Oops, here we go again. Endless rants from LordPS3, who is deluded enough to believe that his rampant biased fanboyism is actually related to anything that happens in the real world, and only too happy to make up facts and/or assurances to support his blinkered views.
If you want a real unbiased opinion, then look no further than my own posts, for my self-esteem is not tied to the hardware that sits under my tv. Thus I am much more trustworthy than LordVonPS3, and none of you should listen to him. But you already all know that.
I say this because it will enrage him to the point of irrationally attacking my avatar/sig again, then telling us all that he's not the sort of person who pays any attention to avatars/sigs, and then making up something about my internet browsing habits.
Anyway, back on topic, both systems have both got equally strong line-ups for this Christmas. For every great X360 exclusive, there's a PS3 exclusive to match. (And all you people out there who don't know what Alan Wake is either have very short memories, or are new to the world of gaming.)
Both versions of GTA IV are equally good, with the only tipping point being the unknown DLC factor, which will either make the X360 version the definitive one, or a very bad joke, depending on what it is. And nobody knows what it is, so anything that anybody has to say on the matter is either a lie, or irrelevant.
It is my opinion that these two consoles will both be on a fairly even footing by Spring 2009, and by that point, any gamer who gives a damn about gaming should try and own both.
Now, just to be a complete bastard, I'm going to add a little coda to this post to further wind up the PS3 fanboys. (Of which group LordVonPS3 is surely the king.) I do this primarily because the PS3 fanboys are very vocal when it comes to their console, and very easy to wind up, and their usual response will be a mixture of personal insults and some newly fabricated "facts" to support their purchase.
The reason that the PS3 fanboys are so vocal is because they are mostly insecure about their choice of gaming platform, thus outwardly aggressive in it's defence. It's a common reaction that is very similar to the rampant homophobia that a lot of repressed homosexuals display, and thus a great target for poking fun at.
Now, where was I? Oh yes, I think that both consoles are going to have a glowing future, and by the end of the first quarter of 2009, the PS3 is going to be a force to be reckoned with in the gaming world.
Right now, however, the X360 should be the console of choice for any serious gamer who doesn't want multiple systems under their tv. Oh, and the third Xbox will be out at some point in 2010, which I guess will make both the X360 and the PS3 "Last Gen". Oh noes!
A list of a few 2008 big exclusives... (Gran Turismo 5 Prologue). Haze. WipEout HD. Metal Gear Solid 4. Little Big Planet. Resistance 2. Motorstorm 2. (Home).
That lot is better than GoW 2 and Alan Wake (WTF is this?!)
Just a little mention about your list:
Haze - I hope haze is good, i really do. I've heard a couple of rumours that it could be pretty run of the mill though.
Wipeout Hd - it should be a big seller, but it's an updated version of an ancient old psx game. Popular yes, but i can't believe it'll be anything other than a decent racer. It's not what i'd call a big great quality game.
Motorstorm 2 - might be a good racer, but it's just not a big name game. People outside of the ps3 have probably never heard of motorstorm.
Resistance 2 - it has to be better than the average original. It won't be a patch on GOW2(in quality, ratings or sales).
Little big planet - interesting looking, could be a classic. It's not going to be for everyone though, just like viva pinata on the 360 wasn't for everyone. Looking forward to seeing it though.
Metal gear and Gran turismo though, now that's a different story. They'll be huge games and the only 2 guarenteed big selling "exclusive" titles the ps3 has this year.
I think Banjo, Fable 2, GOW2, Ninja gaiden II will all be big sellers for the 360. Alan wake and too human i have no idea about, but they're interesting looking exclusives. That's not the end of it as far as the 360 is concerned regarding exclusives either. I'm tipping the zombie FPS game "left for dead" to be the sleeper hit of the year(360 console exclusive).
We'll find out soon enough how good the mentioned games(ps3 and 360)end up.
why is GTAIV running at 630p on PS3 but 720p on past it blahdy blah RROD blah 360?
The 360 was the lead development console for GTA4. Usually always the lead development machine is the slightly better technically due to the problems some coders have with porting. Interestingly a lot of programmers are saying that from now on most games will be programmed for the PS3 and then ported over to the 360. Apparently it's easyer this way.
Which programmers have stated this, not Valve I bet, they find it easier to program for 360.
I think the 360 will continue to be supported a lot longer into its life than the original Xbox that being said I also believe there will be another Xbox before 2012/13.
The reasons for another machine are plain to see coming in the next couple of years as tech advances are getting faster PC's are already out performing the 360 & the PS3 & some saying that they have not yet squeezed out much from the Cell is crap because the PS3's cell processor may be up for the long haul task but the other components in the console let it down i.e a slow read speed bluray drive & not enough Ram memory to cope with bigger & better games as advances are made games will become a lot more reliant on large Ram & faster speed drives & the PS3 doesn't have those.
I also believe that MS saying we always tinker with the tech is a mistake if he is saying that in the context of more SKU's for the 360 i.e one including a bluray drive or even using HD DVD solely as a gaming format which is another possability.
No a new Xbox around about the latter half of 2011 is what I think will happen with the 360 getting to such a low price point as to attract a much younger new audience with games that reflect that as PS2 has done with the majority of PS2 releases now aimed at the kiddies while the PS3 & 360 soak up the more mature games.
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Where's the excitement there? If that's all I had to look forward to I think I might have to cut both my thumbs off. (Not really, now that is desperate!)
Here's another couple of PS3 (not 360) titles to throw in the pot... Crysis and Siren.
Ok, I'll counter that with Left 4 Dead, Splinter Cell 5 and Halo Wars. What's your point? Face it, both systems will have, at some point in the future, exclusive titles - that's the point of multiple formats, right?
You may not like all that's on offer, but that doesn't change the fact that they DO appeal to others.
Loved your list, now lets go through them.
Banjo-Kajooie: Nuts and Bolts > Won't sell any 360's and will be lucky to do as well as Ratchet & Clank on PS3.
Fable 2 > Might sell a 360 or 2, but won't shift many.
Too Human > Won't sell any 360's.
Gears of War 2 > All 360 owners are depending on this.
Viva Pinata > Won't sell any 360's.
Alan Wake > Won't sell any 360's.
Ninja Gaiden II > The other fairly decent release on 360 - but unlike GoW 2, this one won't actually shift 360 sales.
Who said any of these would sell systems? Besides, how do you know they won't be any good, or be a system seller? Your tarot deck on good form today?
Now lets look at my little list, which are all confirmed for 2008.
GT5P - Has sold very well and has sold many PS3's.
This is out already.
Haze - May '08. Will certainly SELL very well. Sales will certainly rival Ninja Gaiden 2 on 360.
How can you be certain? It's a TOTALLY new IP. No-one knows if it will sell well or flop into the aether.
WipEout HD - May '08. As one of the main staples for the Playstation this title will sell many PS3's.
It may do. Or it may just be the same old WipEout that we saw launch on the Playstation. Sure, it was quite fun, back in the day, but times have changed - how can you be sure it will be a system shifter?
Metal Gear Solid 4 - June '08. Will sell many PS3's.
This is one I'm inclined to agree with you on. The Ps3s 'Halo', IMO.
Little Big Planet - Sept '08. Will be a HUGE surprise and will sell many PS3's.
If you know it will shift systems, how can it be a surprise? This is another one that has a HUGE question mark over it. I hope it does well, but face it, neither of us know.
Resistance 2 - Nov '08. Going up directly against GoW 2, this will sell probably almost as well as GoW 2 initially and will sell PS3's.
If this shifts PS3s, then expect Gears of War 2 to shift a LOT of 360s.
Motorstorm 2 - Nov '08. Will sell PS3's and will help Resistance 2 to put the PS3 level with or ahead of the 360 in terms of total sales.
Really? GT5 I can sort of understand, but this? I'll be surprised if it does that well.
Home (free) - Nov '08. Will offer over and above what's available on 360 and will help to sell many more PS3's.
Now you are deluding yourself - you believe that people are going to buy a PS3 to live in a virtual world like Second Life? Home is one of the things that puts me OFF the PS3.
Those releases look to run throughout 2008 and I wouldn't call them too close together.
I bet you were one of the people that said the Wii would flop, Halo 3 wouldn't sell well, and Xbox360 GTA IV would get spanked by the PS3 version in terms of sales.
Remember, what you have here is an opinion - your opinion does not immediately make something factual.
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Where's the excitement there? If that's all I had to look forward to I think I might have to cut both my thumbs off. (Not really, now that is desperate!)
You sir, are a fanboy. And an idiot at that.
I don't own a PS3, but if you can't see that there are potentially some brilliant gaming experiences in that list, then you're blind.
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Where's the excitement there? If that's all I had to look forward to I think I might have to cut both my thumbs off. (Not really, now that is desperate!)
While I think you are being a bit unfair, and possibly inaccurate, I did chuckle at 'Res**tstance'
it'll be dead as a door know the last 2 years if the PS2 is anything to go by( ok, FF12 and God of war 2 came out on its last legs ), but the console usually looks so old and is that cheap that it ends up with kiddy games
Its a good thing the console will be that cheap at that point in its life time, ok as gamers we will have moved on to the xbox 720 or 3 or 1080 (its gonna be one of these names) by that point, but by the ps2 showing it has outsold both new formats each month in the states and europe with all its kiddies games, it would be a good move by ms to gain more customers to the xbox brand, and in time it would provide a huge number of people moving to the newer format in time.
Gran Turismo 5 Procession Hazlo WipEbottom HD Metal Gear Cut Scene 4 Little Big Deal Planet Res**tstance 2 Motoryawn 2
Where's the excitement there? If that's all I had to look forward to I think I might have to cut both my thumbs off. (Not really, now that is desperate!)
They match up nicely with...
Massive Defect. Years of Bore 2. Had-To-Go 3. Snorza Motorsnort 2. Alan Wake up! Ninja in his garden 2.
That's about all I could be bothered to come up with because everything else on 360 is too crass to be even worth mocking.
@Sunscramble. That's a very big post and an awful lot of cackle from you, with very little substance. Clearly you've run out of things to say, a bit like the XBox 360.
Gran Turismo 5 Procession Hazlo WipEbottom HD Metal Gear Cut Scene 4 Little Big Deal Planet Res**tstance 2 Motoryawn 2
Where's the excitement there? If that's all I had to look forward to I think I might have to cut both my thumbs off. (Not really, now that is desperate!)
You sir, are a fanboy. And an idiot at that.
I don't own a PS3, but if you can't see that there are potentially some brilliant gaming experiences in that list, then you're blind.
How dare you! I slap you doth across the cheek with my MS monogrammed glove.
I'm no fanboy, I'm merely just poking a baboon with a stick as it were. I had a PS2 & Xbox but had to make a budgeted & informed decision when joining the next gen last August. Back then PS3's were still £400+ whereas the Elite was £300, the current & future releases were heavily in the 360's favour & I'm experienced enough to see through the BS that was coming from Sony, I think they have got complacent after bossing it for so long & their arrogance was starting to grate. I dare say I'll get a PS3 in the future but what I really want to see is a uniformed platform. Then the games will speak for themselves.
@Sunscramble. That's a very big post and an awful lot of cackle from you, with very little substance. Clearly you've run out of things to say, a bit like the XBox 360.
Ooooooh, it's like that, is it? Well, if I'm going to be forced into pretending to be a Microsoft Fanboy, (Which would be ironic, as this month's gaming mostly consists of a 2-foot pile of PS2 games for me.), then all I'm going to say is:
Wellllll, I'd say that the Xbox 360 just running off with the lion's share of the sales of one of Sony's previous biggest exclusives says otherwise...
Ok, I'll counter that with Left 4 Dead, Splinter Cell 5 and Halo Wars. What's your point? Face it, both systems will have, at some point in the future, exclusive titles - that's the point of multiple formats, right?
8 days... Final Fantasy 13... We can keep at it all day, but my exclusives are bigger than yours.
The 360's 2008 exclusives are not big enough names to sell systems. Barring GoW 2, people who will buy those exclusives are people who already own a 360.
The list of people who will buy PS3 exclusives either already own a PS3 or have older versions of the games on PS2 / PS1. The MGS 4 crowd weren't just born yesterday. On the other hand, how many PS2 owners have heard of Alan Wake or Fable 2? Again, how many gamers are familiar with the Final Fantasy series? They won't be buying a 360 for FF 13.
GT5P is out already - you're right and sold very well it has too. Even helped PS3 sales - which was my point, that it seems you missed.
Haze will sell very well because as you know, FPS games have a tendency to do well and unlike the 360, the PS3 isn't mostly made up of FPS / 3rd person shooters. People who did get a PS3 and are after more FPS games will be happy.
WipEout HD will shift PS3's for certain. It obviously doesn't occur to you that the original WipEout is just one of the reasons a lot of people bought the original PlayStation. WipEout has a massive following here in the UK.
LBP - A huge surprise because it is a new IP, but the game will appeal to people of all ages. Sony are banking on this doing well, so it doesn't matter what you think you know - Sony knows more.
Resistance 2 will shift PS3s, and I do expect GoW 2 to shift some 360's but not as many as you'd hope or think. What makes you believe the interest around GoW 2 is greater than the original interest around GoW? I expect GoW 2 to sell very well on the 360, because a lot of people own a 360. That's not a reason for anyone without a 360 to go out and buy one, especially when GoW 2 will also be coming to PC.
Here's a nice trailer for Home. Its not just some second life rip off, it is about gamer and gaming integration, something that's shown quite nicely at... http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=8863
You should also note that Rock* will be integrating with Home and are working on additional PS3 content for GTA 4.
FYI. I was not one of the people who said the Wii would flop, that Halo 3 wouldn't sell, or that GTA 4 wouldn't sell on 360.
As for opinion, mine is better informed than say yours and that's how I am able to make these claims that you seem to find intolerable.
Sony's PR department and management decisions did a great job of destroying all the anticipation I had for the PS3 prior to its release. I'm slowly finding more reasons to be able to jusify forking out for Sony's black box. But my list of reasons isn't big enough yet. I think a unified platform would suck. Without competition the hardware manufacturers wouldn't try as hard.
@Sunscramble. That's a very big post and an awful lot of cackle from you, with very little substance. Clearly you've run out of things to say, a bit like the XBox 360.
Ooooooh, it's like that, is it? Well, if I'm going to be forced into pretending to be a Microsoft Fanboy, (Which would be ironic, as this month's gaming mostly consists of a 2-foot pile of PS2 games for me.), then all I'm going to say is:
Wellllll, I'd say that the Xbox 360 just running off with the lion's share of the sales of one of Sony's previous biggest exclusives says otherwise...
As you're making a comment about the GTA series, I'll relay exactly the same thing as I told someone else earlier...
GTA has never been a console only series. Point in case I own GTA Vice City and GTA San Andreas on PC. If you even bothered to look you'd know that GTA 1, 2 and 3 were all extremely popular on PC. You should stop trying to make it sound like a coup for the 360 when actually Rock* have always supported other platforms as long as a half decent user base is there.
Fact is though, how many people will own a 360 compared with PS3 when GTA 5, or 'New City' derivative is released? You better hope Microsoft are willing to pay Rock* $100M to secure that one.
The XBox has always needed to react or counter what the Playstation does, even if it meant releasing their console early. If they were ever to win they had no choice, even if it meant that XBoxes would crash. This latest announcement is again a counter to the technically superior PS3.
But...
So far, MS have countered very well and their line up for the coming year or so is just as impressive as PS3's. If not more!
Their aggressive strategies have gotten them into a market where few people ever gave them a chance of success. I'm not a 360 supporter at all but I got to hand it to MS; they have shown remarkable resilience in a market where the Playstation is the mental leader.
If only those XBoxes would last a little longer...
Alan Wake & Fable 2 can be boosted by hype (don't forget thats a very important thing in this industry) but having said that it doesn't mean its gonna sell but then again if you cared to remove your blinkers you might consider that whilst not system sellers, as stand alone titles they provide support within a list of titles that may tip the consumer.
Your point about Haze is fairly valid in that existing owners might/will buy it in order to quench their thirst for a good fps, but in terms of new consumers looking at a console for an fps, do you truly think Haze will have the same selling power as a opposed to a console with Halo3/GoW 1 &2/Bioshock. Killzone 2 has potential but with the disaster that was Killzone 1 (ps2 fanboys dubbed it the halo killer before its release) and the reputation it gained I wouldn't bet on too many people holding their breath for it.
Wipeout has a major following here, but it doesnt mean average joe will go "hey look, wipeout in HD - right i gotta have a ps3" in terms of being a system seller, then again it may be but seriously, you can't be sure.
LBP - beautiful game, stylish but how can you be sure it WILL appeal to people of all ages. I remember ico/shadow of the colossus/okami were among the best ps2 games but bombed so saying LBP will be successful is a pretty major oversight. Thinking LBP will appeal to younger gamers is also interesting, as last year i worked in a state school during my gap year and the most talked about game among 9/10/11 yr olds was gears of war, so I doubt LBP will have the same kind of appeal to that kind of mass market and as a system seller unlikely but I'm more than willing to admit I could very well be wrong.
Will Resistance shift ps3's? Why would it? look at it realistically to FPS fans. On the one hand we have resistance 1 & 2 and Haze, on the other we have GoW 1 & 2, Halo 3, Bioshock. Hmm which are they gonna pick, I wonder. What's Resistance 2 got that is going to sway a consumer?
Yeah mate, wake up Home is not really gonna shift ps3 units and how do you know for definate what Rock* is doing is anything other than superficial crap, its unknown what the 360 DLC is but that too could be superficial crap.
Why is your opinion better informed than someone elses? Is it beacuse as someone so eloquently put it, you keep your tongue buried in sony's anus? Or do you put your entire head right in there to eat the faeces before its even come out so that it is as fresh as can be. Mate, seriously your passion for sony is actually pathetic in that you seem to think you know for definate what game will sell what. You should remove those blinkers that you cherish and invest in all 3 consoles - you know broaden your horizons and enjoy all games, remember the consumer is (or can be) the real winner. you shouldn't feel the need to ardently support sony and berate the 360 and people's opinions about consoles. Lastly I could very well be wrong about what I think, after all its just an opinion.
With the amount of delayed games on the PS3, as long as the 2009 games stay on schedule it'll run Sony dry with the amount of big games 2008 is ok for it-LBP, Home, Resistance 2, Motorstorm, SOCOM (i think), Metal Gear Solid, WipeOut. Just not the best. 2009 has FFXIII, Gran Turismo 5 (about time), God of War 3, Killzone 2... Though Sony should have had more games this year. Far too many games delayed.
Back to the 360 though i think the main problem with it is that one of them has no hard-drive. It seems a shame because, although the 360 has limitations and i am just waiting for the Ps3 to overtake it (in the hope only then will it stop the incessant arguments between them)-the hard drive thing is a bitch because only a small amount of the consoles have no hard-drives. It limits some of the games.
LordVon, I love how you completely ignore how irrational and sad your love for Sony and desire for the Xbox 360 to fail is.
I also love how you state your biased opinions as fact.
It makes you a much more amusing fanboy.
He's incredible, isn't he.
He's on a one-man mission to try and convince the world of the PS3's superiority over the Xbox360, yet he's so far managed to convince exactly nobody that he's right, and the only people that don't disagree with his every word are the type of fanboy that nobody else here listens to either.
While we're at it, what did you get actually get banned from this place for with your old alias, LordPS3? Or was the "Fatal Wounding" you described something a little less dramatic?
Back to the 360 though i think the main problem with it is that one of them has no hard-drive. It seems a shame because, although the 360 has limitations and i am just waiting for the Ps3 to overtake it (in the hope only then will it stop the incessant arguments between them)-the hard drive thing is a bitch because only a small amount of the consoles have no hard-drives. It limits some of the games.
I wish developers would disregard the Arcade model when it comes to making games. If a lack of hard drive is definitely going to hold back the potential of a game then insist on a hdd system to play the game, don't deny us all for the sake of a few. The arcade is pitched at the casual game market & casual games don't tend to need a hdd, but any game that expands further than this market should utilise a hdd if needed.
Hopefully MS will phase out the Arcade & reduce the Pro to sub Wii prices, & the Elite accordingly, or sort out the daft prices they charge for hdd's & aggressively market this to the existing Arcade base.
I hope the PS3 doesn't overtake the 360 because I want Sony to really look at what gamers want & not what they think gamers should have, I really don't think they'll do that if they regain their market leadership.
Some of you guys are very stupid to say rubbish like "you don't know what the GTA 4 DLC on 360 is". Those of you who with a 360 who liked San Andreas will almost certainly be buying.
Some of you guys are very stupid to say rubbish like "you don't know what the GTA 4 DLC on 360 is". Those of you who with a 360 who liked San Andreas will almost certainly be buying.
As for the PS3 DLC. Now that's another matter.
So the current rumour goes. Until it's confirmed one way or another, I'm not buying GTA IV. If the DLC really is nothing special, I'll get the PS3 version when I buy the hardware.
Back to the 360 though i think the main problem with it is that one of them has no hard-drive. It seems a shame because, although the 360 has limitations and i am just waiting for the Ps3 to overtake it (in the hope only then will it stop the incessant arguments between them)-the hard drive thing is a bitch because only a small amount of the consoles have no hard-drives. It limits some of the games.
Now here's someone who actually understands fact and isn't afraid to say it.
For all the crying that certain unmentionable others are doing, the fact is they're still unable to provide some seriously good reasons as to how the 360 is going to escape from the pickle it is in.
- RROD and other premature failures due to poor reliability.
- DVD drive & fan noise that only helps advertise games to neighbour's because you have to turn the TV up louder to be able to hear it.
- A completely wasted format in HD DVD.
- One of the technically poorest quality DVD video player's to ever be released. Even worse quality wise than a £30 Alba DVD player.
- No decent or advertised exclusives in 2009 and mostly little known exclusives for 2008.
- 3rd party developers have to argue with Microsoft about how to deliver games and the rules of doing so. Equates to "pay Microsoft or else".
- An online gaming service that requires a £40 fee to subscribe per annum.
- The games don't make proper use of the HDD even if you do have one.
- The well known (but denied) development of a nonsense controller that no-one wants.
- A user base of money spenders who will happily trade their model to get another one in a mystical marvelous hope that it is quieter or more reliable.
Now seriously... With a user base of zealot fanatics - who are 360 fan boys to call me blinkered? What makes any of you think Microsoft can fix (or want to fix) any of the negative points mentioned?
How someone can justify a 7 year life span with a feature list like that is beyond reason. The only reason Microsoft have done so is to try and compare itself with Sony and Nintendo - who both it seems have a much better plan for the future.
Some of you guys are very stupid to say rubbish like "you don't know what the GTA 4 DLC on 360 is". Those of you who with a 360 who liked San Andreas will almost certainly be buying.
As for the PS3 DLC. Now that's another matter.
So the current rumour goes. Until it's confirmed one way or another, I'm not buying GTA IV. If the DLC really is nothing special, I'll get the PS3 version when I buy the hardware.
Why buy it Mr.Bullet hole head? If anything I really don't want you to.
Some of you guys are very stupid to say rubbish like "you don't know what the GTA 4 DLC on 360 is". Those of you who with a 360 who liked San Andreas will almost certainly be buying.
As for the PS3 DLC. Now that's another matter.
So the current rumour goes. Until it's confirmed one way or another, I'm not buying GTA IV. If the DLC really is nothing special, I'll get the PS3 version when I buy the hardware.
Why buy it Mr.Bullet hole head? If anything I really don't want you to.
Now seriously... With a user base of zealot fanatics...
Now, I may not dispute some or even all of your negative points*, but I have NO CLUE how in good conscience you can say this. You have to be the most zealous fanatic of a console/compant that I've ever come across
*Though I do dispute your noise comment (the Dreamcast was just as bad for a start). Also, it's a matter of perspective whether they supported HD-DVD to claim that it was wasted. If they really wanted to push it, it would have been integral. And as for lack of 2009 games, or advertised ones, do you not think there's plenty of time yet for these to be announced? I'm not suggesting there are 20+ 'must have' titles waiting in the wings, but there very well could be.
*Though I do dispute your noise comment (the Dreamcast was just as bad for a start). Also, it's a matter of perspective whether they supported HD-DVD to claim that it was wasted. If they really wanted to push it, it would have been integral. And as for lack of 2009 games, or advertised ones, do you not think there's plenty of time yet for these to be announced? I'm not suggesting there are 20+ 'must have' titles waiting in the wings, but there very well could be.
- I see plenty of posturing, but still no confirmed releases for 2009.
- Sega's dreamcast is nowhere near as loud as the 360. OK, maybe 3/10th's as loud as a 360.
- HD DVD was always a wasted add on and Microsoft were too damn scared of Blu-ray to risk all-in-one integration with the 360. Besides, Microsoft stood to make a profit on yet another extortionately priced peripheral.
- 20+ "must have" 2009 titles waiting in the wings for the 360? How deluded you are...
Ahhh, very witty work with the avatar there, Mr. PS3.
Yet again, (Is this the fifth or the sixth time now?) in the absence of anything of substance to say, you're having a small pop at the avatar/sig of the anonymous pseudonym I hide behind to post on these boards, with the possible assumption that you're maybe getting one up on me somehow?
Well, as I am clearly not my avatar, fire away. If one was aware of the symbolism behind the particular character I chose to grace the sides of my post, one would probably be cringing with regret at the irony of yours right about now.
Anyway, lets look at the personna you've chosen for yourself: As somebody who defines themselves as the byotch of a company that are infamous for constantly lying and screwing their own paying customers, and are stupid enough to get constantly caught out on it?
(See: The Rootkit fiasco, the made-up movie reviewer, The fake fan websites, trying to pass off pre-rendered videos as gameplay videos, being subject to legal proceedings over faulty Playstation 2's, countless public claims that turned out to be completely untrue and many, many more...)
Come come now, you should be ashamed. What would it take for you to see the error in your ways? I'll bet if that little PS3 of yours grew arms and legs and battered you half to death, you'd tell everybody that you fell down the stairs, then you'd go back for seconds.
On the other hand, if I defined my entire life by the single console I owned, I'd probably spend all my time online desperately trying to defend and justify it to anybody who would listen, too. And I'd mostly likely be ignored and reviled by everyone around these parts, just like you.
Ahhh, very witty work with the avatar there, Mr. PS3.
Yet again, (Is this the fifth or the sixth time now?) in the absence of anything of substance to say, you're having a small pop at the avatar/sig of the anonymous pseudonym I hide behind to post on these boards, with the possible assumption that you're maybe getting one up on me somehow?
Well, as I am clearly not my avatar, fire away. If one was aware of the symbolism behind the particular character I chose to grace the sides of my post, one would probably be cringing with regret at the irony of yours right about now.
Anyway, lets look at the personna you've chosen for yourself: As somebody who defines themselves as the byotch of a company that are infamous for constantly lying and screwing their own paying customers, and are stupid enough to get constantly caught out on it?
(See: The Rootkit fiasco, the made-up movie reviewer, The fake fan websites, trying to pass off pre-rendered videos as gameplay videos, being subject to legal proceedings over faulty Playstation 2's, countless public claims that turned out to be completely untrue and many, many more...)
Come come now, you should be ashamed. What would it take for you to see the error in your ways? I'll bet if that little PS3 of yours grew arms and legs and battered you half to death, you'd tell everybody that you fell down the stairs, then you'd go back for seconds.
On the other hand, if I defined my entire life by the single console I owned, I'd probably spend all my time online desperately trying to defend and justify it to anybody who would listen, too. And I'd mostly likely be ignored and reviled by everyone around these parts, just like you.
Unfortunately for you:
- I own several consoles.
- My username is LordVonPS3. That has very little to do with Sony rootkit's or PS2 litigation.
- The original Killzone 2 video > GoW 2's pointless 'art video'. At least the KZ2 video showed what the game would look like. I think its a good idea. The initial GoW 2 video was nothing more than a pointless download.
- If my PS3 did grow arms and legs, that would just be another cool feature the PS3 had over the 360.
the veracity of "I own several consoles" is questionable - unless they consist of psx, ps2,ps3, psp
The more you post the more it sounds like a) your username has ALOT to do with Sony b) your tongue is buried ever deeper c) you enjoy wearing those blinkers - which has nothing to do with microsoft fixing their issues - but you believing Sony is the be all & end all of life.
I agree with the RROD - major issue, HD DVD was an add on, not integrated but i don't think their R&D team shat their pants at blu-ray but instead maybe it was more costly to implement HD DVD, but then again you enjoy making up facts so maybe they did s**t their pants.
I own all 3 current gen consoles, all of which have their strengths and weaknesses. As I said earlier buy the other 2 - broaden your horizons instead of wearing blinkers and ardently supporting one company cos it won't get you anywhere and maybe one day when you gain the slightest bit of wisdom and common sense and eventually when your able to swallow your own pride and arrogance you'll realise theres alot of videogame enjoyment to be had.
You should also note that Rock* are working on additional PS3 content for GTA 4.
Where has this been reported? Unless i'm seriously off the pace this is once again a complete and utter act of fiction isn't it?
And before you sprout some guff simply put a hyper-link to the Rock* press release confirming this or simply sit down & shut-up.
If you cannot express a well informed opinion do us the favour of expressing none at all.
It's the old method of "making stuff up" to show the ps3 in a better light. It's an old tactic.
I mean look at how he rammed that list of ps3 exclusives down our throats(it only contained 2 or 3 big games), he had to add "home" to the list to make it sound better. Like people care that much about walking about interacting with each other in home(geeksville). It's free though, so i'll certainly give it a try.
I don't think he's quite grasping the fact that the 360 has more exclusives this year compared to the ps3. 2008 has belonged to microsoft again(games-wise).
I don't want to sound like a 360 fanboy here(i own both machines), but apart from a few A+ titles, i'm slightly disappointed with sony's lineup this year again. I was expecting big things this year and they haven't really delivered. For all the people waiting for "home", it's been delayed until later in the year(probably out in 2009 now). We had to put up with a glorified demo of sony's big ps3 title this year(gt prologue). I guess metal gear solid will satisfy most ps3 fans(if it's not delayed as well).
While sony are at it, they could also give us more games on the psn network to download. Apart from the excellent super stardust hd, there's a real shortage of quality games(the 360 has tons of quality games on xbl..retro and indie type releases).
The next GTA will definitley need Blu Ray - theres no doubt about it.
And how long will it take to develop the next GTA that will need to be on a Blu-Ray disk? Judging by the size of GTA IV, to justify a BR version of GTA V, it would have to be about 5 times the size - and San Andreas tells us that people don't like games that big, they get overwhelmed.
I will be VERY surprised if GTA V *needs* Blu Ray.
Well actually Rockstar's own Sam Houser was moaning about the 360's storage media problems prior to GTAIV's release citing "Our games are only going to get bigger" The 360 GTAIV is on an 8gb DVD-ROM - PS3 GTAIV is on a 50gb Blu Ray disc - meaning you could fit the entire 360 GTAIV on PS3's disc several times.
My Bet? Blu Ray will prove essential as the games get bigger and I can't for the life of me see the future games looking the same high standard as GTAIV on a DVD-ROM without compromising quality & content.
Or maybe M$ is just content for GTAV to come on 10 discs? - or do they release a Blu Ray SKU?
If 20 million units sold (approx) is a failure, I think you should hunt out Gizmondo and the N-Gage... What were they, figments of our imagination?
You completely missed the point.
And your point was? Apparently, the Xbox360 has failed (according to you) - exactly how has it done that? It has done EXACTLY what it set out to do - establish itself as a competitor in the console market (unlike the aforementioned Gizmondo and N-Gage, which are widely regarded as a joke). In what way is this failure?
And talking of missing the point:
- 20+ "must have" 2009 titles waiting in the wings for the 360? How deluded you are...
Did you even READ what I wrote? I said I'm NOT suggesting there are 20+ titles waiting in the wings. Talk about seeing exactly what you want...
On a seperate note, that avatar thing is ridiculous - how petty are you?
If 20 million units sold (approx) is a failure, I think you should hunt out Gizmondo and the N-Gage... What were they, figments of our imagination?
You completely missed the point.
And your point was? Apparently, the Xbox360 has failed (according to you) - exactly how has it done that? It has done EXACTLY what it set out to do - establish itself as a competitor in the console market (unlike the aforementioned Gizmondo and N-Gage, which are widely regarded as a joke). In what way is this failure?
And talking of missing the point:
- 20+ "must have" 2009 titles waiting in the wings for the 360? How deluded you are...
Did you even READ what I wrote? I said I'm NOT suggesting there are 20+ titles waiting in the wings. Talk about seeing exactly what you want...
On a seperate note, that avatar thing is ridiculous - how petty are you?
So they'll ban someone with a gay gamertag cos the others find if offensive, but they'll do f**k all to moderate all the constant racism & homophobia and other abuse that is so associated with XBox Live.
If that doesn't smack of double standards then I'm so glad its something I never plan on using. Ever.
I just bought a PS3 on Monday with Singstar (for the Mrs), Uncharted & Ninja Gaiden. I have searched the box and Sony appear to have forgot to pack my free lobotomy. On 360 I'm playing GTA 4 and still have Orange Box & Tomb Raider to start. On Wii I'm half way through No More Heroes. Most of the stuff I'm looking forward to this year is on 360.
How I laugh at all you stupid Fanboys. Each machine has great games and the only way to play them all is to buy them all. If you cant afford that then just enjoy the games you have and stop blubbing all over the shop.
Notice LordVonPS3 still hasn't put up that press release based on his facts. Just to help him here's what they actually look like... by happy coincidence they happen to be confirming exclusive GTA4 content for 360.
As I seem to recall until the price cut, the 360 was stuck on about 17M sales and only recently hit 19M.
Sony are predicting another 10M sales in 2008.
10 Million sales in 2008? 10/12 (months) is less than a million a month. 833 thousand
When was the 360 price cut? 14th March. Even I can work out that's 2 million in 2 months and 1 million per month. Not bad for a failing, dead machine with no future.
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he has ordered a new beast for £2200 with the latest quad core technology and graphics card etc. this is insane just to play games. lazy programmers just working around the latest technology. non of them are trying to eek out the last breath from the last graphics card. what i think is great about the consols is the ability of the software houses to find new life in a consol years after it's release. and to be honest, after playing crisis for a few hours and being impressed, it wasn't far off what a ps3 is capable of now, let alone in the future.
In the here and now, 360's 2008 schedule rapes the PS3... 
Sony where is my rumble and full version of GT? *shakes fist*
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I think a new version to that game would be good, it had potential.
This is another one that has a HUGE question mark over it. I hope it does well, but face it, neither of us know.
