Free Radical's creative lead, Derek Littlewood has shunned internet hissy-fits over the revelation that Haze on PS3 doesn't run in native 720p.
Haze is the latest of a number of games to run in a lower frame rate than the HD standard 720p, for the benefit of a smoother frame rate.
Littlewood confirmed that the final game will run in a resolution of 1024 x 576, essentially shaving 144 horizontal lines off of a typical 1280 x 720 picture, but he dismisses critics' "it's not true HD" cries.
"We prioritise a nice smooth framerate over a different res," Littlewood told Ripten.
"Personally, I don't really buy the whole thing. People did the same with Call of Duty, they did the same with Halo, and they say with those games 'It's not running at true HD!'
"I don't care. If the game looks good and it runs smoothly, those are the important things to me. I don't understand why people care whether there's 20 pixels, 50 pixels, or 100 pixels more..."
In case you're not up on this techy babble, developers occasionally reduce the pixels on screen to help free up some processing power for a smoother frame rate - as did FPS big wigs Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4.
I agree framerate over resolution, but i have to say the demo of haze is a bit disapointing! came across as very run of the mill fps, but i guess its only a demo.
Having played and completed the demo a number of times I confess to not being blown away graphically. However, I thought that the game was good fun and ran really smooth. The usual FR design shines through, especially on a higher difficulty.
Well from playing the demo on the PSN I'd say the problem with Haze is that is already looks dated. Doesn't Graphically stand up to what I expect from a new FPS. Textures look crap close up.
low resolutions suck( unless theres at least 8xAA & 16xAF ), i cant understand how they call games HD when the resolution is only SD, i mean my Amiga used to do a vertical resolution of 578 back in the day, Halo 3 is only 630. I havnt used a vertical resolution below 1024 since 2001( unless of course playing retro games in a window )
CoD4 looks great @ 1920x1080
They reduced the vertical resolution because the previews ran like absolute crap, definately only 20-25FPS which is horrible for an FPS.
For a PS3 exclusive, there's no excuse really. Either Free Radical are incompetant, Sony have somehow made it impossible for devs to get the most out of the PS3's processing power, or Sony were talking out of their bottom vis a vis the power of the machine.
I suspect it's a combination of all 3. However, this guy should stfu. Don't whine when people call you out for not making a HD game on a supposedly HD console - ESPECIALLY when it's PS3 exclusive. Halo 3 & CoD4 are almost irrelevant.
For a PS3 exclusive, there's no excuse really. Either Free Radical are incompetant, Sony have somehow made it impossible for devs to get the most out of the PS3's processing power, or Sony were talking out of their bottom vis a vis the power of the machine.
I suspect it's a combination of all 3. However, this guy should stfu. Don't whine when people call you out for not making a HD game on a supposedly HD console - ESPECIALLY when it's PS3 exclusive. Halo 3 & CoD4 are almost irrelevant.
The lack of memory probably goes some way towards causing these issues.
Regardless of hoe good the graphics are the game was still pretty poor.
I couldn't even be bottomd to finish the demo. I got half way through and then got totally bored with how basic it all felt. The controls are a mess (the PS3 pad doesn't help) and the AI was 'thick'.
I did kinda hope that this game would turn out to be a nice suprise but alas, another PS3 let down.
God I hope MGS4 lives up to the hype! * crosses fingers*
This thread has kinda gone of topic so in keeping i agree with the guys who mad this game. Who cares about hd/720 higher rez lowers rez? So long as it looks good thats all that counts. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then i guess its a duck. However the graphics dont look great anyway but it looks like a fun little game whcuh is what free radicals all about.
My ps3 would be lonely if it was not a blu ray player I was looking forward to killzone but even thats been put back!!! and this demo was ok but not wow at all :{
720p is 1280x720 pixels, so running at 1024 x 576 not only removes 144 horizontal lines, but also 256 vertical lines, also.
Free Radical is a good studio, but running at none-native resolutions makes the game look a lot more aliased, so more anti-aliasing is needed; which requires a lot more power to do.
The demo of Haze wasn't as good and the version they had available at play.com live; apparently the demo is an old release; why they've done that I don't know.
I'd take a smoother running game over graphics any day. Too often I've seen graphics get in the way of game - games have to be first and foremost about gameplay.
And if you've got a lonly ps3 then sell it instead of winning about it; mine is quiet happy with the 14 games I've currently got and another 10 on pre-order for this year too.
My ps3 would be lonely if it was not a blu ray player I was looking forward to killzone but even thats been put back!!! and this demo was ok but not wow at all :{
Beyond GTA IV, there were a few relatively decent (i.e. AA as oppposed to AAA) games released on the PS3 in the past couple of months. Okay, so none of them are PS3-exclusive, but seriously... why should anyone beyond the executives and accountants at Sony and Microsoft give two s**ts?
Condemned 2: pretty unique in that it's a first person beat 'em up (okay, there are some guns, but most of the time you're smashing people around with planks, pipes, crowbars, and all kinds of stuff). It's also very atmospheric, though the graphics and plot are extremely reminiscent of FEAR (it is made by the same people, after all).
Viking: Battle for Asgard: if you like hack'n'slash fantasy games like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, this is a great game. Beyond the standard action RPG elements, it has a Viking theme (obviously), and a few minor strategy elements. Oh, AND IT'S GOT BRIAN BLESSED DOING THE NARRATION! 'Nuff said.
Dark Sector: Starts off as a blatant Resident Evil 4 clone (though with a cover system clearly nicked from Gears of War), but after the first couple of levels it starts turning into something a bit more unique, with more and more bizarre alien/mutation attacks and abilities become available to you.
COD4 looked the bizness at it's sub-HD res so it shouldn't really matter but judging by the comments so far, Haze doesn't quite seem the looker. We are so called in the HD era & we should be expecting HD visuals for all our games on both PS3 & 360 so I can understand gamer's concerns when these standards aren't met. Are we still a generation off in respect to consoles of achieving full HD?
I agree that framerate is more important then resolution. But 576 is not very much:
480(Wii)---576(Haze)-------720(usual hd-game)
I'm not a specialist in upscaling mechanisms an stuff, but that gap will most likely be recognizable while playing. And from what I played of Haze, the game doesnt look so good, that it should force this decision at all.
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the demo and am looking forward to it, as with Halo3 the online co-opwill see this shine, plus free radiacal have a pretty solid rep when it comes to multiplayer.
I played this on my 40" 1080p tele and whilst it wasn't the prettiest, it certainly wasn't anything to grumble about!
There probably aren't enough HD tv's out there yet for devlopers to warrant spending the money on that side of it yet.
You can also go for a high resolution but but its worthless unless the graphics actually look realistic - there's still no game with the graphic quality of the final fantasy film but all this costs money and until an HD console breaks the 30 or 40 million mark then developers probably won;t see it as being viable. Can anyone actually tell the difference - unless your tv is over 40" then you won;t be able to see any difference between 720 and 1080.
i too (as a post above) only played ½ the demo then turned it off. it didn't grip me as a game has to within the first five minutes and i thought the graphics were mediocre. frame rate was fine but i thought it could have been smoother even before i read this article. so what are they doing? the guy explaining the game (he has to say cool like 40 times) in a few vids is an arrogant bottom. he thinks he has something unique with this liquid power stuff. too much popeye
What matters is that Sony have been making a lot of noise about how their console plays games at 1080p, and the Cell proccessor can handle anything, and the Blu-ray drive stores more data than DVD. Makes you wonder what's so wrong with the console then, when no one seems able to get it to run as it's meant to.
Single player looks better then co-op though but who cares?
I love HD games and movies but i honestly thought the demo looked good.... certainly good enough to tide me over.
I really dont get the issue with the games on the PS3 i have 12 and only completed about 4. I love the games and much prefer quality over quantity. Not saying all the games are AAA but none of my games are crap except maybe the mission on Assasins Creed which is just shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the demo and am looking forward to it, as with Halo3 the online co-opwill see this shine, plus free radiacal have a pretty solid rep when it comes to multiplayer.
I played this on my 40" 1080p tele and whilst it wasn't the prettiest, it certainly wasn't anything to grumble about!
considering a lot of them worked on goldeneye most of free radicals games are slightly disappointing, and this looks like joining them. i don't care a great deal about the resolution but their games aren't anything to write home about anyway.
I couldnt care less about resolution. Halo 3 and COD4 are both apparently sub-HD, yet to me they look fantastic.
Anyway, i dont think the developers should be so concerned about people whining about the resolution. They should be more concerned over the fact they've made a pretty crappy game. Either that, or they released a demo which badly represents the final game.
Single player looks better then co-op though but who cares?
I love HD games and movies but i honestly thought the demo looked good.... certainly good enough to tide me over.
I really dont get the issue with the games on the PS3 i have 12 and only completed about 4. I love the games and much prefer quality over quantity. Not saying all the games are AAA but none of my games are crap except maybe the mission on Assasins Creed which is just shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over and out
Bennyboi1979 is my PS3 ID
Consider yourself added, matey. I feel exactly the same way about the PS3. In fact, PJ Monsters is the most addictive game I have played for years! And it was only £3.49! Couldn't care less that the graphics are fairly basic. Gameplay always wins out.
Single player looks better then co-op though but who cares?
I love HD games and movies but i honestly thought the demo looked good.... certainly good enough to tide me over.
I really dont get the issue with the games on the PS3 i have 12 and only completed about 4. I love the games and much prefer quality over quantity. Not saying all the games are AAA but none of my games are crap except maybe the mission on Assasins Creed which is just shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over and out
Bennyboi1979 is my PS3 ID
Consider yourself added, matey. I feel exactly the same way about the PS3. In fact, PJ Monsters is the most addictive game I have played for years! And it was only £3.49! Couldn't care less that the graphics are fairly basic. Gameplay always wins out.
for once ill agree with you , im enjoying AudioSurf at the moment, its flashy but hardly amazing
For a PS3 exclusive, there's no excuse really. Either Free Radical are incompetant, Sony have somehow made it impossible for devs to get the most out of the PS3's processing power, or Sony were talking out of their bottom vis a vis the power of the machine.
Judging by past performance I'd say the third one, Sony has BS'd about so much in the past (4D graphics, Killzone 2 trailer being real and not CGI) that it just fits in with the normal pattern of things.
Single player looks better then co-op though but who cares?
I love HD games and movies but i honestly thought the demo looked good.... certainly good enough to tide me over.
I really dont get the issue with the games on the PS3 i have 12 and only completed about 4. I love the games and much prefer quality over quantity. Not saying all the games are AAA but none of my games are crap except maybe the mission on Assasins Creed which is just shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over and out
Bennyboi1979 is my PS3 ID
Consider yourself added, matey. I feel exactly the same way about the PS3. In fact, PJ Monsters is the most addictive game I have played for years! And it was only £3.49! Couldn't care less that the graphics are fairly basic. Gameplay always wins out.
for once ill agree with you , im enjoying AudioSurf at the moment, its flashy but hardly amazing
Audio surf looks cool. That is the one where you can use your own music to play the game?
Single player looks better then co-op though but who cares?
I love HD games and movies but i honestly thought the demo looked good.... certainly good enough to tide me over.
I really dont get the issue with the games on the PS3 i have 12 and only completed about 4. I love the games and much prefer quality over quantity. Not saying all the games are AAA but none of my games are crap except maybe the mission on Assasins Creed which is just shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over and out
Bennyboi1979 is my PS3 ID
Consider yourself added, matey. I feel exactly the same way about the PS3. In fact, PJ Monsters is the most addictive game I have played for years! And it was only £3.49! Couldn't care less that the graphics are fairly basic. Gameplay always wins out.
for once ill agree with you , im enjoying AudioSurf at the moment, its flashy but hardly amazing
Audio surf looks cool. That is the one where you can use your own music to play the game?
Not played eith of them yet!
Just downloaded red alert and am loving it.
Shocking really got GTA4 sitting there and i am playing on Red alert am i mad???? classics are awesome though.
lol, I thought the PS3 was some super thing with the Cell 'n all that and it can't even get something to run at a deceint framerate at a crappy resolution, for shame.... As for the CoD4 thing, thats not the best example, a 8800GT (mid range card) can run that game on high settings at 60 fps at a resolution of 1680*1050.
It amazes me how few people actually understand what Sony meant with 4D gaming. The fourth dimension is time, and graphics changing over time and catalysed by in-game events was present in Motorstorm, a launch title.
As far as resolution goes, I agree that sub-HD isn't good enough, but if thats what it takes to get a Frame rate locked I'll go along with it for now.
Oh and Playstation consoles have always used processors that are unique and slightly different to program for than the competition (ie. 360 using PC alike architecture). PS2 showed much better results by the time GOW2 came out than early games, and I see the same happening for PS3. This is why the Playstation Brand has a longer console life-span than its nearest competitor.
I know its supposedly fashionable or fun to hate on companies sometimes, this seemingly Sony's time, and yes they became a bit too full of themselves after PS2 but I really think it's worth understanding what these terms mean before crowing about it.
As for 4D gaming being misunderstood, I blame that idiotically named Shrek 4D ride... which suggests that the fourth dimension is feel, and not actually a sense at all.
It amazes me how few people actually understand what Sony meant with 4D gaming. The fourth dimension is time, and graphics changing over time and catalysed by in-game events was present in Motorstorm, a launch title.
As far as resolution goes, I agree that sub-HD isn't good enough, but if thats what it takes to get a Frame rate locked I'll go along with it for now.
Oh and Playstation consoles have always used processors that are unique and slightly different to program for than the competition (ie. 360 using PC alike architecture). PS2 showed much better results by the time GOW2 came out than early games, and I see the same happening for PS3. This is why the Playstation Brand has a longer console life-span than its nearest competitor.
I know its supposedly fashionable or fun to hate on companies sometimes, this seemingly Sony's time, and yes they became a bit too full of themselves after PS2 but I really think it's worth understanding what these terms mean before crowing about it.
As for 4D gaming being misunderstood, I blame that idiotically named Shrek 4D ride... which suggests that the fourth dimension is feel, and not actually a sense at all.
How dare you come on here with your wisdom and common sense!
The PS3 actually has 512 MB of memory split equally between the graphics and system (that's 256 MB a piece). The Xbox 360 also has 512 MB but it's unified meaning that developers can allocate as much as they want to the graphics if they need to making the machine more flexiable than the PS3. The Xbox 360 also has a 10 MB framebuffer which gives it the edge over the PS3 when it comes to anti-aliasing (smoothing out the jaggy edges).
I thought the visuals in Haze were bland and blurry so it's disappointing to hear it officially confirmed that it's actually running in standard definition. I was playing games at 1024x768 ten years on an ancient by today's specs PC so it's astounding that so many games can't even manage 1280x720 on current systems like the 360 and PS3. Had Haze looked amazing at 576p then perhaps it would have been forgiveable but it doesn't IMO, it's generic, poorly textured and has a horrid vaseline smeared look to the visuals so it isn't. Disappointing and the demo was very underwheming to play nevermind look at. I think this game is going to be slated critically...
I don't care personally, but to hose people who buy into the crap of how much more powerful the PS3 is, when we were told every game would be 60 frames at 1080p! its come to a point that I don't listen to a lying word that Sony says. the only people I trust are the developers. even since I got my PS3, I've been use to it not delivering that I expected. so now I don't expect much, just good games with great gameplay! which is what the Wii and 360 have been doing well at. Sony needs to step off this power-trip, Cell, Bluray and every other crap and hype about the PS3, and just let the console be a games machine.
It amazes me how few people actually understand what Sony meant with 4D gaming. The fourth dimension is time, and graphics changing over time and catalysed by in-game events was present in Motorstorm, a launch title.
As far as resolution goes, I agree that sub-HD isn't good enough, but if thats what it takes to get a Frame rate locked I'll go along with it for now.
Oh and Playstation consoles have always used processors that are unique and slightly different to program for than the competition (ie. 360 using PC alike architecture). PS2 showed much better results by the time GOW2 came out than early games, and I see the same happening for PS3. This is why the Playstation Brand has a longer console life-span than its nearest competitor.
I know its supposedly fashionable or fun to hate on companies sometimes, this seemingly Sony's time, and yes they became a bit too full of themselves after PS2 but I really think it's worth understanding what these terms mean before crowing about it.
As for 4D gaming being misunderstood, I blame that idiotically named Shrek 4D ride... which suggests that the fourth dimension is feel, and not actually a sense at all.
Yep and we all remember when Sony claimed that using the PS2 was like entering The Matrix. Seriously, stop defending Sony's ridiculous claims. It's like how they have that slogan "Beyond HD". Did I miss something? Did Sony breeze over the whole HD thing onto something better? No, they're just spouting propaganda as usual to pretend they're one step ahead of the game. Now don't get me wrong, I love Motorstorm. I think it's one of the finest arcade racers to ever grace the gaming world. But when you try to suggest that Motorstorm is somehow 4D, you make me sad. I mean it's 4D because you can dig grooves into the courses? All that is is an advanced version of smashing a block in Super Mario Bros. It alters the game world. Big whoop. It stands out simply because of the fact that you see it when you go around the course multiple times. I mean it's impressive that the PS3 can handle all that deformation data and I like the way it affects the vehicle handling, but it's still simply a more advanced version of something that's been in games for years. Not exactly the new 4D you're labeling it as. If the PS3 had some hardware built into it to explicitly handle game world deformation on a serious scale, then I would happily agree that the machine was 4D (though surely there's better descriptor than 4D). As such though, some developers will try to do what you're talking about at the cost of graphical prowess and others will just try to make the prettiest, but relatively static, gamewolrd they can. But that's no different to the 360 or even the Wii. Now as for the point that Sony hardware is unique, you're quite right, and I really enjoyed seeing how some of the later PS2 titles took advantage of the hardware, but is that really a good thing? I guess it's okay if the PS3 massively increases it's install base and it's still a viable platform to be releasing games on in 8 years times (much like the position the PS2 is in at the mo). However if the PS3 doesn't get a massive install base, and it doesn't look like it will, then when the next version of the Xbox ships in a few years time people are probably going to move on to that and the PS3 may fade away like the N64 did. I guess my point is it only has a ten year lifespan if it's successful enough in the first place to warrant it, not just cos Sony tells you so. And I wouldn't bet my house on that one. If I owned a house. I could bet my landlord's house but that would be cheeky.
I didn't notice and I don't really care. Halo3 and Cod4 both look great as does the Haze demo on my Hdtv bar a few low res textures and models, which will hopefully be ironed out in the full game(although I'm not betting on it) although this has nothing to do with resolution.
Yes indeed, COD4 ran at sub 720 resolution and still looked cracking. Seem to be a few jealous xc**ks in here tho. Gotta understand that COD4 and GTAIV are both sub 720p and are unanimously agreed to look better on PS3. KZ2 purportedly looked better than Gears about 6 months ago and will hence probably cane any shooter on the 360 in the graphics dept. Haze has surely had less time, money and effort pumped into it than Halo 3 and already looks at least on par. Think I'd certainly be jealous if I had only a xbox. Might still buy one for Gears 2 tho but gotta keep that PS3 in case the RROD. Anyways, back to my beer....
Who gives a crap about HD? it upscales... Care about the fact that the demo was really naff...
And to the guy that said COD4 looks great in 1080p... Yeah...And? again that was upscaled... GTA4 looks great at 1080p...Still only runs native at 720p on the 360 and 600p on the PS3...
Get to grips with what games are...did you care when Duke Nukem 3D only ran at 800x600??!
To any gamer that cares...Your not a damn gamer...You really ain't...Your a fad chaser...Yah great graphics immerse you but so does a decent storyline and gameplay...
And yea the PS3 is a "HD console" so what...Don't mean everything'll run at HD its upto the devs to decide...
Still...no excuse for FR pretty poor game for my tastes, but good for arcade battles...
Yes indeed, COD4 ran at sub 720 resolution and still looked cracking. Seem to be a few jealous xc**ks in here tho. Gotta understand that COD4 and GTAIV are both sub 720p and are unanimously agreed to look better on PS3. KZ2 purportedly looked better than Gears about 6 months ago and will hence probably cane any shooter on the 360 in the graphics dept. Haze has surely had less time, money and effort pumped into it than Halo 3 and already looks at least on par. Think I'd certainly be jealous if I had only a xbox. Might still buy one for Gears 2 tho but gotta keep that PS3 in case the RROD. Anyways, back to my beer....
well done, my PC is more powerful than your ps3 so in your face!!!
Yes indeed, COD4 ran at sub 720 resolution and still looked cracking. Seem to be a few jealous xc**ks in here tho. Gotta understand that COD4 and GTAIV are both sub 720p and are unanimously agreed to look better on PS3. KZ2 purportedly looked better than Gears about 6 months ago and will hence probably cane any shooter on the 360 in the graphics dept. Haze has surely had less time, money and effort pumped into it than Halo 3 and already looks at least on par. Think I'd certainly be jealous if I had only a xbox. Might still buy one for Gears 2 tho but gotta keep that PS3 in case the RROD. Anyways, back to my beer....
well done, my PC is more powerful than your ps3 so in your face!!!
And when are Gears and Killzone 2 coming out on the PC? 2010?
and those who bought a PS3 on the premise it would deliver HD gaming.
There probably aren't enough HD tv's out there yet for devlopers to warrant spending the money on that side of it yet.
your kidding, right?
You can also go for a high resolution but but its worthless unless the graphics actually look realistic - there's still no game with the graphic quality of the final fantasy film but all this costs money and until an HD console breaks the 30 or 40 million mark then developers probably won;t see it as being viable.
crikies, your not kidding.
Can anyone actually tell the difference - unless your tv is over 40" then you won;t be able to see any difference between 720 and 1080.
doh... but the point is that the game does not even manage 720.
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, im enjoying AudioSurf at the moment, its flashy but hardly amazing
