Splinter Cell Conviction has been taken "back to the drawing board" by Ubisoft Montreal.
That's according to a report in the latest Xbox World 360 mag. Though Ubisoft isn't saying anything, the mag says it's heard that the surprising development decision has forced Splinter Cell back into the festive period of 2009 - or as late as Spring 2010.
Conviction has been in development for some years now, surfacing early last year with combat involving dynamic scenery and crowd stealth gameplay that focused on mixing in with the public in Washington DC - a bit like Assassin's.
According to XBW, it's likely that the decision was made after Conviction was outdated by more recent gaming developments - most notably Ubisoft's own Assassin's Creed.
Ubisoft's UbiDays event is due to take place in Paris next week, so hopefully we'll get an official word then.
Wow, that is surprising. Splinter Cell was becoming a bit like an EA franchise game with yearly installments, so a complete rethink that will add a significant amount of time to development is a big surprise.
The game looked like it was going to be far more ambitious than AC with the social stealth gameplay, so I can't see AC surpassing it being the reason behind the redirection; maybe they just couldn't achieve what they wanted to. Good news in someways, as it shows they are not just rushing a sequel out.
Like already stated, Splinter Cell was becoming a tad EA-like in the sense there was one being released every year. Nice to know they aren't rushing this one out. My initial reaction is that the game was too similar to Assassin's Creed and they didn't want the Splinter Cell franchaise essentially becoming a clone of that, hence its back to the drawing board to come up with something to give the game it's own unique selling point.
I was wondering how they were going to make "social stealth" work. The areas would have to be huge, like ass'creed, but in a modern setting, like GTA. And then theirs the walking around because i just cant see Sam carjacking, unless he uses a Taxi it would get tiresome. In the end it would probably have ended up a boring GTA clone.
Im a big splinter cell fan so thats a shame bur if it makes it a batter game then im all for it. Guess ill just have to re-play the older games again for now.
We'll see who the kids are when the Haze 4.5/10 IGN review shows up on here...
The only 'kids' will be the PS3 fanboys blindly defending it. Wait until they realise it's actually still going to be multiplatform after a few months, then see their tone change to 'uh.. read the reviews, Xbots! its crap! you can have it' etc It's the same cycle all the time.
We'll see who the kids are when the Haze 4.5/10 IGN review shows up on here...
The only 'kids' will be the PS3 fanboys blindly defending it. Wait until they realise it's actually still going to be multiplatform after a few months, then see their tone change to 'uh.. read the reviews, Xbots! its crap! you can have it' etc It's the same cycle all the time.
On a positive note, I'll save Ł40.00 pounds this week. Glad I kept hold of COD4 as I am getting a little tired of GTA4 now and MGS4 can't come soon enough.
Haze proves one thing though, delays are most certainly a bad thing.
Haze proves one thing though, delays are most certainly a bad thing.
That's a bit general isnt it? I'd hardly say thats the case! Half Life 2 was delayed many many times and it's not worse off for it.
edit: Just wondering, why don't you get a 360? I mean you say 'MGS4 cant come soon enough' as though you're complaining at the lack of games you can play. You're already bored of GTA4, you're only looking forward to MGS4, and the game you're holding onto is of a genre that the 360 has plenty of.
Haze proves one thing though, delays are most certainly a bad thing.
That's a bit general isnt it? I'd hardly say thats the case! Half Life 2 was delayed many many times and it's not worse off for it.
edit: Just wondering, why don't you get a 360? I mean you say 'MGS4 cant come soon enough' as though you're complaining at the lack of games you can play. You're already bored of GTA4, you're only looking forward to MGS4, and the game you're holding onto is of a genre that the 360 has plenty of.
Just curious..
I've played all the best 360 games. Halo3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dead Rising and PGR. I can't remember any MGS type games other than Splinter Cell that came out for PS3. I had to limit to one machine through money and space so the 360 had to go. I will miss it because of Fable 2 but MGS4 and LBP stand above every other game for me this year so I kept the PS3. Nothing against 360 as I got a lot of enjoyment from it, but I am not a massive online fan as I don't have the time, and that was the 360's forte'.
If they are cheap enough, come xmas, I'll get another one. But only if the PS3 xmas line-up ends up disappointing.
Gasp!! A 360 game getting delayed? And everybody is being so civil about it. What a surprise....
It's not that surprising. Adults and children often react differently.
We'll see who the kids are when the Haze 4.5/10 IGN review shows up on here...
I have to confess that when I first saw Haze I thought it looked excellent, and had some solid ideas. More recently though I've seen gameplay footage of the multiplayer and single player games and it just doesn't live up to the hype. The whole thing about being able to send the opposition nuts and stuff like that turned out to be very underwhelming. It just ended up looking like A N Other FPS.
every console at one time or another has had a 'killer' game hyped up, only for it to turn out to be a bit naff. Haze isn't the first and I'd bet my middle testicle it won't be the last.
I've played all the best 360 games. Halo3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dead Rising and PGR. I can't remember any MGS type games other than Splinter Cell that came out for PS3. I had to limit to one machine through money and space so the 360 had to go. I will miss it because of Fable 2 but MGS4 and LBP stand above every other game for me this year so I kept the PS3. Nothing against 360 as I got a lot of enjoyment from it, but I am not a massive online fan as I don't have the time, and that was the 360's forte'.
If they are cheap enough, come xmas, I'll get another one. But only if the PS3 xmas line-up ends up disappointing.
I'm shocked that this is staying quite civilised
Totally understand what you're saying. Personally though I'm not a huge online fan either, but I renew my subscription every year because of the service as a whole.
I've played all the best 360 games. Halo3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dead Rising and PGR. I can't remember any MGS type games other than Splinter Cell that came out for PS3. I had to limit to one machine through money and space so the 360 had to go. I will miss it because of Fable 2 but MGS4 and LBP stand above every other game for me this year so I kept the PS3. Nothing against 360 as I got a lot of enjoyment from it, but I am not a massive online fan as I don't have the time, and that was the 360's forte'.
If they are cheap enough, come xmas, I'll get another one. But only if the PS3 xmas line-up ends up disappointing.
I'm shocked that this is staying quite civilised
Totally understand what you're saying. Personally though I'm not a huge online fan either, but I renew my subscription every year because of the service as a whole.
And who can deny it is a good service? Certainly glad PSN is free, otherwise I wouldn't use it.
Gasp!! A 360 game getting delayed? And everybody is being so civil about it. What a surprise....
It's not that surprising. Adults and children often react differently.
We'll see who the kids are when the Haze 4.5/10 IGN review shows up on here...
I have to confess that when I first saw Haze I thought it looked excellent, and had some solid ideas. More recently though I've seen gameplay footage of the multiplayer and single player games and it just doesn't live up to the hype. The whole thing about being able to send the opposition nuts and stuff like that turned out to be very underwhelming. It just ended up looking like A N Other FPS.
every console at one time or another has had a 'killer' game hyped up, only for it to turn out to be a bit naff. Haze isn't the first and I'd bet my middle testicle it won't be the last.
It is always a shame when a promising game turns out to be naff, on whichever console. That was probably what was happening to SC : Conviction. It just staggers me that the developers of Timesplitters can release such a poorly executed (according to IGN) game. I can handle the average visuals, but there is no excuse for poor gameplay.
In fact, do you think that reviewers are too easy on GTA4?
By the way, this story needs updating - Ubi already confirmed that the magazine article was pure speculation. It's not back to the drawing board at all, and not delayed to 2009.
edit: Mark, i definitely think they were too easy on GTA. It's got plenty of bugs, the shadows are pretty terrible in many places, the missions are all the same as every other GTA game and quite a few of them are highly frustrating.
The lock-on system doesnt work all the time, the pop-in is really quite ridiculous for this generation of consoles, the 5.1 sound is absolutely terribly mixed (can't hear a thing people are saying unless they're stood directly behind you, on the phone or in a cutscene). And thats just the basics...! Lets not forget how many steps back they've taken from previous GTA games.
It's certainly a great game but it's far from a perfect 10.
Its a bit of a shame they are doing this but at least ubisoft just aint throwing this out to the public like other games devolpers do to us gamers. With new ideas and new features id say this will be a hit when its released in late 09.
Its a bit of a shame they are doing this but at least ubisoft just aint throwing this out to the public like other games devolpers do to us gamers. With new ideas and new features id say this will be a hit when its released in late 09.
Sounds like SC will still be on track for 08. Pity it was ubisoft who were willing to release the half-finished game that is Haze. Fingers crossed, eh?
Conviction has been in development far longer than Haze, though - all the gameplay mechanics seemed to be inplace in those videos they showed a while back, so I don't think it'll be a half-finished game like Haze.
Gasp!! A 360 game getting delayed? And everybody is being so civil about it. What a surprise....
It happens on the 360 as well, just there are generally more than one game at a time coming out on the 360 so it doesn't have quite the same impact as losing the only release on that date.
The PS3's release rate is getting better, but its still pretty poor... especially when the few release they get include the likes of Haze.
Maybe it,s just me, but i want the series to go back to being just a good old fashioned sneak em up.
In trying to freshen up the series they're losing sight of what made the game so great in the first place. After all there's not a huge amount of competition for this style of game out there just now, so lets forget about this crowd scene and daylight nonsense and get back to basics...........please.
Its a bit of a shame they are doing this but at least ubisoft just aint throwing this out to the public like other games devolpers do to us gamers. With new ideas and new features id say this will be a hit when its released in late 09.
Putting your whole post in bold is lame. You didn't even have anything interesting to say.
By the way, this story needs updating - Ubi confirmed that the magazine article was pure speculation.
Yeah, that was the worst denial EVER...
So basically you're going to leave an article online that uses pure speculation from a magazine that has been wrong many times in the past - without even quoting Ubisoft so that people can make up their own minds?
Better that than releasing a pile of turd. Never been a big fan of the Splinter Cell games anyway, so i think this series can be consigned to the video game scrap heap, no skin off my nose!
By the way, this story needs updating - Ubi confirmed that the magazine article was pure speculation.
Yeah, that was the worst denial EVER...
So basically you're going to leave an article online that uses pure speculation from a magazine that has been wrong many times in the past - without even quoting Ubisoft so that people can make up their own minds?
Wanna make a bet about it launching this year or next?
By the way, this story needs updating - Ubi confirmed that the magazine article was pure speculation.
Yeah, that was the worst denial EVER...
So basically you're going to leave an article online that uses pure speculation from a magazine that has been wrong many times in the past - without even quoting Ubisoft so that people can make up their own minds?
Wanna make a bet about it launching this year or next?
Betting is one thing. Leaving an important bit of information from an article that people want, you know... information from, is just bad journalism.
Even more so when it's being left out simply because of your personal opinion. That's not just bad journalism, that's pathetic.
It is always a shame when a promising game turns out to be naff, on whichever console. That was probably what was happening to SC : Conviction. It just staggers me that the developers of Timesplitters can release such a poorly executed (according to IGN) game. I can handle the average visuals, but there is no excuse for poor gameplay.
In fact, do you think that reviewers are too easy on GTA4?
Haze seems to have been doomed for ages so i'm not surprised it's getting average reviews but it's a shame. It seemed like a semi-cool premise & from developers of quality i think PS3 owners could have expected more.
Not starting an argument but: Is the PS3 just incredibly hard to program for? Because it seems to be to often that hyped games come out badly? Like Haze, Like heavenly sword etc... and it suffers frequent game delays...surely there must be an explantion for this? Before anyone rants i'm not having a pop at the PS3 it is quite obviously a good console i'm just asking a genuine Q.
And lastly yes. GTA4 has so far proved a massive disappointment and certainly wasn't worth it's ten review scores. It's ok but not great... and shockingly for a GTA game i think the voice acting is poor...sometimes i'm straining to understand what their gibbering about.
By the way, this story needs updating - Ubi confirmed that the magazine article was pure speculation.
Yeah, that was the worst denial EVER...
So basically you're going to leave an article online that uses pure speculation from a magazine that has been wrong many times in the past - without even quoting Ubisoft so that people can make up their own minds?
Wanna make a bet about it launching this year or next?
Betting is one thing. Leaving an important bit of information from an article that people want, you know... information from, is just bad journalism.
Even more so when it's being left out simply because of your personal opinion. That's not just bad journalism, that's pathetic.
Let't not forget Splinter Cell has always been a crap Metal Gear Solid clone, who cares if this gets delayed till 2020
Everybody step aside, please! Here comes Captain jealousy!
Seriously. You could not be more transparent. Either you're just a PS3 fanboy who thinks MGS4 will put the world at a standstill on its release, or you're just annoyed that you wont get to play Splinter Cell cause you're too stubborn to buy a 360.
Splinter Cell is far from an MGS clone - they have always been completely different games. Even comparing them purely on the word 'stealth' is ridiculous.
MGS is a fantasy-based action game with a bit of hiding and a lot of dialogue. Splinter Cell is a real-world-based military game with real-world gadgets and technology.
Either way, do you not want to get real news? Would you rather have the full story hidden from you to make you think one way rather than form your own opinion on the situation? I feel sorry for you if thats the case.
Maybe you enjoy watching things like Fox news where they out-right lie about 'virtual orgasmic rape' featured in Mass Effect?
It is always a shame when a promising game turns out to be naff, on whichever console. That was probably what was happening to SC : Conviction. It just staggers me that the developers of Timesplitters can release such a poorly executed (according to IGN) game. I can handle the average visuals, but there is no excuse for poor gameplay.
In fact, do you think that reviewers are too easy on GTA4?
Haze seems to have been doomed for ages so i'm not surprised it's getting average reviews but it's a shame. It seemed like a semi-cool premise & from developers of quality i think PS3 owners could have expected more.
Not starting an argument but: Is the PS3 just incredibly hard to program for? Because it seems to be to often that hyped games come out badly? Like Haze, Like heavenly sword etc... and it suffers frequent game delays...surely there must be an explantion for this? Before anyone rants i'm not having a pop at the PS3 it is quite obviously a good console i'm just asking a genuine Q.
And lastly yes. GTA4 has so far proved a massive disappointment and certainly wasn't worth it's ten review scores. It's ok but not great... and shockingly for a GTA game i think the voice acting is poor...sometimes i'm straining to understand what their gibbering about.
From a non-fanboyish sense I would say, yes, the PS3 is proving to be troublesome for developers. When I cast my mind back, I remember the PS2 being exactly the same so I am not too worried about the future. Heavenly sword was probably not a good example though as I found it to be a very well made, enjoyable game that was unfortunately too short. Lair on the other hand....
Either way, do you not want to get real news? Would you rather have the full story hidden from you to make you think one way rather than form your own opinion on the situation? I feel sorry for you if thats the case.
Maybe you enjoy watching things like Fox news where they out-right lie about 'virtual orgasmic rape' featured in Mass Effect?
Real news like on CNN or something? I didnt realise CVG were so crafty,brainwashing me with lies from the videogame world,trust noone.
Either way, do you not want to get real news? Would you rather have the full story hidden from you to make you think one way rather than form your own opinion on the situation? I feel sorry for you if thats the case.
Maybe you enjoy watching things like Fox news where they out-right lie about 'virtual orgasmic rape' featured in Mass Effect?
Real news like on CNN or something? I didnt realise CVG were so crafty,brainwashing me with lies from the videogame world,trust noone.
You're being completely ridiculous. Just stop, you're making yourself look like a fool.
What I'm saying is that I'd rather get the whole story. The fact that CVG didnt post the update yet because of their own apparent disbelief of what an Ubi rep has said, has dropped my opinion of them quite a bit. I don't care if the editor or writer or whatever doesnt believe something. This is a news site, they're supposed to post what they get. Not what they believe. This isnt a fanboy blog, it's a reputable news source.
Let't not forget Splinter Cell has always been a crap Metal Gear Solid clone, who cares if this gets delayed till 2020
Everybody step aside, please! Here comes Captain jealousy!
Seriously. You could not be more transparent. Either you're just a PS3 fanboy who thinks MGS4 will put the world at a standstill on its release, or you're just annoyed that you wont get to play Splinter Cell cause you're too stubborn to buy a 360.
Splinter Cell is far from an MGS clone - they have always been completely different games. Even comparing them purely on the word 'stealth' is ridiculous.
MGS is a fantasy-based action game with a bit of hiding and a lot of dialogue. Splinter Cell is a real-world-based military game with real-world gadgets and technology.
Shut up, thanks.
You honestly think there would be splinter cell if it there was no metal gear? You are a new breed of as* clown. Sure they bake the cake with different ingredients, but the premise is the same, I played the orignal Splinter cell games, didn't like them at all, but you probably enjoyed stareing at Sam fisher more than me.
You honestly think there would be splinter cell if it there was no metal gear? You are a new breed of as* clown. Sure they bake the cake with different ingredients, but the premise is the same, I played the orignal Spliter cells, but you probably enjoyed stareing at Sam fisher more than me.
I'm an 'as* clown' because I understand the difference between a 'clone' and a completely different game? I'm sorry, what?
Of course Ubisoft probably took a look at MGS and thought 'hey, hiding is a good idea for a game' - but I'm pretty sure thats where they stopped 'cloning' as you put it.
The premise is not the same at all. MGS has you playing (funnily enough) as a cloned man trying to stop over the top fantasy villians as they conspire against you whilst you're trying to 'save the world'.
SC (the original ones) has you playing as an NSA operative. An actual spy, basically. Put into situations to gather intelligence and 'save the world'.
So basically, 'saving the world' is all you can use to compare the two games. In other words, using your logic, MGS is a 'clone' of almost every game ever made.
Also, if you're going to have a discussion, try not to get into the whole 'lolurgay' crap. It was funny in the early 90s...
How about the stealth and the fact that your a spy in both games, and the themes in both games is espionage? No wait that can't possibly be the main concept in both games can it? The main sale bannner for both games, geeez clearly I havn't done my research
I think you should read up on what your talking about buddy, otherwise you will end up looking like an a*sclown three times in a row You are dumb man, real dumb
Hmm, why hasn't this delay caused an internet s**t-storm like when a PS3 game gets delayed?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this game had been given anything near a solid release date anyway, had it? If a game with an unannounced release date gets delayed, how can anyone care?
How about the stealth and the fact that your a spy in both games, and the themes in both games is espionage? No wait that can't possibly be the main concept in both games can it? The main sale bannner for both games, geeez clearly I havn't done my research
I think you should read up on what your talking about buddy, otherwise you will end up looking like an a*sclown three times in a row
(sigh)...this was all going so nicely as well
I'd have to disagree though - by your logic, Mass Effect is the same as any Star Wars game (I know, I know - KOTOR). I don't think you can compare Splinter Cell with Metal Gear - yes, they are both espionage based, but the mechanics are different.....bottom line is, they just feel different to play - besides, they're both very good at what they do
Now then, can we get back to at least trying to be civil? - this is about Splinter Cell: Conviction, not Haze or MGS4....
How about the stealth and the fact that your a spy in both games, and the themes in both games is espionage? No wait that can't possibly be the main concept in both games can it? The main sale bannner for both games, geeez clearly I havn't done my research
I think you should read up on what your talking about buddy, otherwise you will end up looking like an a*sclown three times in a row You are dumb man, real dumb
So what about Tenchu: Stealth Assassins, which came out several months earlier than Metal Gear Solid (and was better IMO, but that's neither here nor there). If Splinter Cell is a Metal Gear clone, then Metal Gear is a Tenchu clone.
What are you talking about, you are a ninja in one game and a spy in the other two,
you are an assasin in ancient japan in one game , and a spy in modern world in the other two
You girls are missing my main point, after Metal Gear was released Ubisoft thought, hey lets do our own version with a twist, different games yes, but based on the main concept. If there was never a Solid snake there wouldn't be a Sam Fisher, you girls need to think back to when Splinter cell was first released, how they marketed the game, on the posters ubisift wrote stuff like' Our answer to Solid snake, 10 times better than the metal gear solid games etc etc. Just crap to try and sell it to the metal gear fans
Directly going up against Metal gear, because they know what they have cloned and redesigned to make there own game. I rest my case
You're a childish fanboy through and through, just go away. Nobody wants to discuss anything with you because you resort to namecalling in every paragraph.
For some reason you insist on repeating your "main point" again and again, and what we have is a quite dull off-topic discussion.
People aren't missing your point, they're disputing it with their own valid points (which you seem to be missing) or ignoring it because it is insignificant.
you girls need to think back to when Splinter cell was first released, how they marketed the game, on the posters ubisift wrote stuff like' Our answer to Solid snake, 10 times better than the metal gear solid games etc etc. Just crap to try and sell it to the metal gear fans
I'm pretty much 100% sure that is untrue. Please show me evidence to the contrary and I will be happy to take that back.
Also, please actually play a Splinter Cell game and then tell me it's the same as Metal Gear Solid.. It really, really isn't. There is a very broad similarity in the stealth aspect but the way the two games go about implementing that one game mechanic is completely different. Tenchu is closer to Splinter Cell than MGS is... Heck, Thief is closer than both of them! And that came out around the same time as MGS.
How about the stealth and the fact that your a spy in both games, and the themes in both games is espionage? No wait that can't possibly be the main concept in both games can it? The main sale bannner for both games, geeez clearly I havn't done my research
I think you should read up on what your talking about buddy, otherwise you will end up looking like an a*sclown three times in a row You are dumb man, real dumb
So what about Tenchu: Stealth Assassins, which came out several months earlier than Metal Gear Solid (and was better IMO, but that's neither here nor there). If Splinter Cell is a Metal Gear clone, then Metal Gear is a Tenchu clone.
Could have been 005. An Sega Arcade game made in 1981.
Don't be such a silly-billy anyway. Most games 'borrow' elements from other games, doesn't mean that they don't often improve on them. Just because a game isnt the first one to have done something, doesn't mean it adds to the gameplay any less.
I thought the Haze review was based solely on the demo - not really the most comprehensive way to review a game. However, I'm not really holding high hopes for it.
I thought the Haze review was based solely on the demo - not really the most comprehensive way to review a game. However, I'm not really holding high hopes for it.
yer easy to say that now isnt it?... when before you were slating 360 owners because haze was a PS3 exclusive & you were soooo proud! hahaha... the game is a shower of s**t & i hope a 360 copy of it never darkens the door of any games store.
Anyway on Splinter cell, i'm a big fan of the game, wasnt that impressed with double agent & i didnt have high hopes for this game, im glad they are gona take time to rethink this concept.
You can actually compare MGS and Splinter Cell. I think it was 2004 when the first screenshots for MGS3:Snake Eater came out.They were of Snake in the jungle.A couple of months later I saw the screenshots for Pandora Tomorrow. They were of Sam in the jungle. Although SCT came out first I'd say they copied MGS.
Maybe Ubisoft didnt have the ''Conviction'' to release the game, maybe it's caused a ''Splinter'' in the development ''Cell''.
bad news aside this could be good move if they make the game better in the long run, why rush about making it for xmas when you can have it for easter 2009?
As for Haze, 3 ps3 owning friends downloaded the demo of the game (the next big thing in FPS's) if you read PS mags and their honest opinion of it was, indifferent to say anything about it. Not having had played the game myself i cant past judgement on it, but by going by videos of it, it dosnt look great.
Are you guys really reading what I am writing, I am saying that Splinter Cell copied metal gears ideas and made there own game, yes it is different but it would not have happened if Metal Geat wasn't about, Splinter Cell was cloned off of metal Gear Solid. end of. You can't stand there and say the games are different because it doesn't justify the fact that UBISOFT got there ideas from Metal Gear Solid .
Calling me a fan boy is just stupid, you should do what you do best and bl*w Sam Fisher.
Trust me I have a sharp memory and remember the first splinter cell posters like it was yesterday, but for the record I will try digging them out. Until then admire Sam Fishers behind, yeah that means you Mr Bob.
What are you talking about, you are a ninja in one game and a spy in the other two,
you are an assasin in ancient japan in one game , and a spy in modern world in the other two
I'm making the point that, while a game might have some similar concepts (in this case, stealth), it does NOT mean the games are copies of each other, or ideas were copied from one or the other. It's the equivalent of saying Spiderman is just a copy of Superman, cos he's a superhero.
You girls are missing my main point, after Metal Gear was released Ubisoft thought, hey lets do our own version with a twist, different games yes, but based on the main concept. If there was never a Solid snake there wouldn't be a Sam Fisher, you girls need to think back to when Splinter cell was first released, how they marketed the game, on the posters ubisift wrote stuff like' Our answer to Solid snake, 10 times better than the metal gear solid games etc etc. Just crap to try and sell it to the metal gear fans
What a crock of s**t. There's no way ANY game would reference a game by another dev in their advert.
Directly going up against Metal gear, because they know what they have cloned and redesigned to make there own game. I rest my case
You probably wern't old enough to buy the game when it came out u h*mo, so I wouldn't expect you to know, and yes like with movies, games also do the advertising thing. It's the reviewers comments
e.g X box Magazine says ' Solid Snake move out of the way , Sam Fishers in town. etc etc.
More exciting then a dozen die hards is another one that's commonly used.
I'm really hoping it has been delayed. I don't want daylight missions and seeking out large groups of people to hide in.
I want to be hiding in the shadows, stalking my victims, watching their every move. I want classic Splinter Cell, damnit! Tense political situations I have to defuse, spying on enemy as well a friendly organizations. None of this bar fight, GTA crap.
Bloody UbiSoft already killed off the tactical games they made because they "weren't selling like CoD4." I am so sick and tired of generic FPS games!
You probably wern't old enough to buy the game when it came out u h*mo, so I wouldn't expect you to know, and yes like with movies, games also do the advertising thing. It's the reviewers comments
e.g X box Magazine says ' Solid Snake move out of the way , Sam Fishers in town. etc etc.
More exciting then a dozen die hards is another one that's commonly used.
You should hook up with Mr Bob and hold hands
Jeez, you really need to relax....and I'd suggest you keep it down with the homophobic comments - there are plenty of people, that make far more of a contribution to these forums than you do, that take offence to that kind of nonsense, you may get away with it on Live - but, leave it out on here.
Secondly, it would appear that you're now back-tracking a little with your comments - magazine reviews are not exactly promotional posters, are they?
If Splinter Cell bothers you so much, perhaps you should go to another thread and stop commenting here - we get the message, you don't like the game...
yO yO, listen up carefully as I am not making sence to some of you girls.
Who produces the adverts on tv, magazines, posters , flyers for the games? The marketing teams behing the games.
In these adverts they use comments like the ones I have mentioned to sell the games, why choose these comments in particular? Because they are aiming to sell to people who have played the Metal Gear games or know about them , and they are backed by a source.
I am not going back on anything I said, the games companies use exterts like '' BEtter than Metal Gear' says PSX' on their adverts to sell the games. They could have chose any other quote to put up on their ad, but no they use these because they have a target audience in mind, comparing themselves to metel Gear solid.
You need to go back to school son, either that or join the Mr Bob fanclub and hold his hand too.
You probably wern't old enough to buy the game when it came out u h*mo, so I wouldn't expect you to know,
I'm 31 and live with my girlfriend. So now what random, baseless insults are you going to levy at me?
and yes like with movies, games also do the advertising thing. It's the reviewers comments
There's a WORLD of difference between a developer suggesting their game is better than another similar game on the market (as you said happened - "on the posters ubisift wrote stuff...") and adverts for said game having quotes for a review. As I said previously, no game, or movie, would openly say such - it's tantament to slander for a start.
e.g X box Magazine says ' Solid Snake move out of the way , Sam Fishers in town. etc etc.
Again, Xbox magazine saying something and Ubisoft saying something are two very different things.
More exciting then a dozen die hards is another one that's commonly used.
I'm guessing you're just pulling these out of your ass now, right?
You should hook up with Mr Bob and hold hands
So, when fighting a battle you know you are losing, you result to homophobic crap like this. And apparently, we're suppose to put some sort of faith into what you're saying... Righto.
And suggesting someone "needs to go back to school son" is rich coming from someone who can barely string a sentence together without it being plagued with spelling and grammatical errors...
Yo dikhead, who decides what goes on the adverts? It's the game companies, they decide what is put on their promotional material, and them choosing these kind of comments says a lot.
I never once said this is exactly what they used, i only gave examples, I can't remember exactly what they wrote ten years back, but something along the lines of what I said ( but not exactly).
'More exciting than a dosen diehards' is one that has been used on a lot of movie posters you cu*nt head, you may want to check the poster for a film called Hardboiled, google it.
May be you can ask your boyfriend, I mean girlfriend what they wrote?
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Again, Xbox magazine saying something and Ubisoft saying something are two very different things.
Ubisfot using these quotes on there ads to promote their game is basically them agreeing with the quote. Again check with your boyfriend if that helps?
I think I am done here, by the way I think it is okay to be homo dudes, no need to make stories up about girlfriends, after all this is the net and no one will bust you for it.
Why are there so many fanboys on here? I'm beginning to wonder if there are more than 5 PS3 owners over the age of 10- it's unbelievable. DrillaKilla, may I recommend from now on this conversation be carried on by those of us with brains bigger than a grape?
Bottom line is, who cares if Splinter Cell was inspired by MGS? It still wee's on Solid Snake's offering from a great height (and yes, I have played the games. MGS 2 I thought was an absolute disgrace). I will say this one looks better, but in all honesty if you want a STEALTH game, SC Chaos theory is one of the best games available (along with Thief). Double Agent- not so great.
And you may want to calm down with all the homophobic drivel- you do realise that MGS games are chock full of campness don't you? I think Hideo Kojima could well be Julian Clary in disguise. Want to eat some Snake do ya, boy?
Drillakilla is a sad angry little boy. Convinced in his ultimate superiority he sleeps safe and sound at night, the world is exactly as he sees it and nobody is ever going to convince him otherwise. Until he wakes up one morning and realises his obstinate, aggressive attitude is the reason, quite frankly that nobody likes him. Don't get mad at him, just pity him and move on. You only feed his ego the more you attack him. Like any petulant child, if you ignore him he will just go away.
Anyway I'm glad they are delaying this game, and hope they really up the ante with some fresh gameplay mechanics. Splinter Cell is awesome but the last one just lost the fun factor for me.
I am saying that Splinter Cell copied metal gears ideas and made there own game, yes it is different but it would not have happened if Metal Geat wasn't about, Splinter Cell was cloned off of metal Gear Solid.
Not really wanting to get involved in this pointless drivle but:
Your logic really doesn't have much foundation. All games take inspiration from all other games including those in different genres, if Splinter Cell copied from Metal Gear then Metal gear took inspiration from Sega's 005 in 1981 (6 years before the original Metal Gear) which took inspiration from .... and so on.
Their both stealth games and that's where the similarties end for me. I'd say Splinter Cell has previously shown itself to be a far more action based stealth game whereas MGS is probably the thinking cinema mans game. Who cares anyway? I don't car where the inspiration came from as long as the game is good.
Please, CVG staff, will one of you be so kind as to explain to the author of this article the difference between news-reporting websites and personal blogs? You know, you could do it at the coffee machine or casually during lunch or on the way back home, preferably without him having to feel offended? We have Kotaku for sensationalism and low journalistic standards
Also LOL@ the namecalling idiot and the people genuinely believing they could make him see sense.
I love all the newbie MGS fans trying to educate me on what Metal Gear is/was.
Yes they are the same franchise - I said nothing to dispute that fact. I said they are completely different games. The original is a 2D, top-down shooter, basically. There are tiny amount of stealth (er.. stand out of the field-of-view of your enemy. wow) but absolutely nothing like what Metal Gear Solid turned out to be.
Which proves my point. Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid are not the same game. Thankyou.
Mr Bob, just go blow some dude, or what ever it is you do. I suggest you play the both the first Metral Gear Solid Games, and compare to the old Metal Gear games.
Look at the perspective you have in game, 'over the top camera view in all games' except the new games features a sneak angle and also 3d graphics and videos, all the games feature the same characters you sap, SOLID SNAKE, have the same on going stories, yes they are a part of the same franchise.
You need to get some rest pal and just shut your crap chatting mouth. All your doing is showing how much of a loser you are that makes things up.
All games are different games you dikhead, but metal Gear is part of a series, saying they are completely different games when they are done by the same team is you talking out of your ass again mate, they rely heavily on the sneak element, and it is okay for Hideo to expand on his idea from Metal Gear to Metal Gear Solid because they are his games you Dikhead
All games are different games you dikhead, but metal Gear is part of a series, saying they are completely different games when they are done by the same team is you talking out of your ass again mate, they rely heavily on the sneak element, and it is okay for Hideo to expand on his idea from Metal Gear to Metal Gear Solid because they are his games you Dikhead
You have the intelligence of a 2 year old girl
So, what about Fallout and Fallout Tactics - same series, totally different games. Or Starcraft and Starcraft: Ghost. Or Mario Kart and Super Mario Galaxy.
Face it moron, just because a game is in the same series, it does NOT mean it is the same game, or even similar, or even a continuation. Solid Snake may well feature in any and all Metal Gear games, but comparing Metal Gear to Metal Gear Solid is as asinine as comparing Mario Kart to Mario Galaxy.
Mario Cart and Mario Galaxy are TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF GAMES
Fall out and FALL out tactics are TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF GAME.
Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid ARE THE SAME TYPE OF GAME, just natural progression over time into 3d, same gameplay elements, same story elements done by the same maker.
The same can be said of mario cart on the snes and mario kart wii, same types of games.
You are a cu*t, that's not worth my time, your probably still feel upset that your dad beat your mum.
I have actually had enough, my work here is done, so later on girls and keep holding hands and fighting the good fight
You are a cu*t, that's not worth my time, you probably still feel upset that your dad beat you mum.
Why oh why isn't there a 'report' button on this site... Some people are clearly clueless as to when they are being offensive. Calling someone a c**t is one thing, but had my dad actually beaten my mum, I strongly suspect I would have taken this accusation VERY BADLY... Think before you talk.
You are a cu*t, that's not worth my time, you probably still feel upset that your dad beat you mum.
Why oh why isn't there a 'report' button on this site... Some people are clearly clueless as to when they are being offensive. Calling someone a c**t is one thing, but had my dad actually beaten my mum, I strongly suspect I would have taken this accusation VERY BADLY... Think before you talk.
Quite. I found myself rather aghast at this individual's antics on the board: rather than address anyone's comments with a well-reasoned argument, he's consistently resorted to playground name-calling.
This is way, way off-topic, but it's often useful to bear in mind that people who behave like this in forums are usually compensating for something: I'd wager that Drillakilla is quite shy in real life and probably has a few issues of his own (possibly anger-management, or questions about his own sexuality).
Anyway, back on-topic-ish I'm just hoping that should a new MGS or SC game come out, they put a first-person view on the PC version...
I can't believe all of you c*nts took the bait. Surely you can all see that Drillakilla came on here with one simple intention, to get a rise out of all of you... he succeeded.
I can't believe all of you c*nts took the bait. Surely you can all see that Drillakilla came on here with one simple intention, to get a rise out of all of you... he succeeded.
I think you give Drillakilla too much credit...
And I think you suck balls
guys who have pictures of a birds bottom as an avatar obviously don't get much cat!
I can't believe all of you c*nts took the bait. Surely you can all see that Drillakilla came on here with one simple intention, to get a rise out of all of you... he succeeded.
I think you give Drillakilla too much credit...
And I think you suck balls
guys who have pictures of a birds bottom as an avatar obviously don't get much cat!
Yeah, cos that's the benchmark of someone who 'doesn't get much cat'.
My guess, you've never even seen a naked woman outside of a movie or magazine.
I can't believe all of you c*nts took the bait. Surely you can all see that Drillakilla came on here with one simple intention, to get a rise out of all of you... he succeeded.
I think you give Drillakilla too much credit...
And I think you suck balls
guys who have pictures of a birds bottom as an avatar obviously don't get much cat!
Yeah, cos that's the benchmark of someone who 'doesn't get much cat'.
My guess, you've never even seen a naked woman outside of a movie or magazine.
Yeah I have... I've seen your mum being gangbanged down the park by the local football team.
I can't believe all of you c*nts took the bait. Surely you can all see that Drillakilla came on here with one simple intention, to get a rise out of all of you... he succeeded.
I think you give Drillakilla too much credit...
And I think you suck balls
guys who have pictures of a birds bottom as an avatar obviously don't get much cat!
Yeah, cos that's the benchmark of someone who 'doesn't get much cat'.
My guess, you've never even seen a naked woman outside of a movie or magazine.
Yeah I have... I've seen your mum being gangbanged down the park by the local football team.
That's unlikely - our local football team is so s**t even my mum would turn them down...
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Nobody has any pent-up anger to spill out onto the internets.
It's the same cycle all the time.
You are dumb man, real dumb
