We know the Metal Gear Solid series is famous for its long cut-scenes, but this tops everything! Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark.
For those troubled with time keeping, that's the length of a feature film.
The news comes from PSW magazine, who's been and finished MGS4, and then promptly whispered in our ears about the shocking 90-minute cut-scenes. The latest issue hits newsstands today, by the way.
We were expecting long story sequences (MGS2 approached the 45 minute mark in one) but an hour and a half of cinematics was unexpected.
The good news is that you can now skip or pause the scenes. Hands up though, how many of you are actually going to sit through the full 90 minutes?
"MGS4's story is massive. The videogame equivalent of all three Godfather movies on one disc," says the mag.
"As you'd expect, you'll spend a lot of time watching cut-scenes, so if you found previous games' story exposition laborious, then you'd better find yourself a nice cushion and plenty of teabags in readiness for MGS4's.
"They can be skipped, but you'll be missing out on some of the finely crafted examples of FMV footage anywhere in gaming," the article boldly proclaims.
Frequency and length of cutscenes ruined MGS2. How did it get such high scores? The game taunts you with the promise of an interesting story and finishes with a terrible ending.
Sounds like an interesting idea - I never was one for the MGS series but would like to play a bit of this, see how the game and "the movie" mix. Could be fun/intersting.
ugh, 90 minutes? thats pretty crazy. I mean, dont get me wrong, I love cutscenes, but Lost Odyssey was pushing it with the last part of disc 3, where in about 2 hours of game there was about 15 minutes of play. But at least it gave you save points inbetween them.
I just find the concept of having a 90 minute long pretty ill-conceived, especially when, if its the same as with the earlier entries in the series, you have very little warning when one's going to kick in.
I mean, seriously. What if you get a power cut? A friend comes round? Need to go out? At least you can pause the damn things, but still.
In fact, it seems insane that MGS2 had a 45 minute cut scene. I've not played a MGS before because this is the first Playstation I've owned but....as important as this game is, if, to get the story, I have to watch cut scenes that approach the 1 and a half hour-mark, then there is no way I'm getting this.
I'm all for story - but, if to get the story i have to sit through more than one feature length film, then, well, there is no chance.
what about the gameplay being 20 hours long eh? funny how they forget that part so fanboys can bitch and moan and say metal gear solid is s**t because it has loads of cutscenes(i like em). Its not like this game is gona be 90 min cutscene all at once though is it? IF you dont like the sound of this.....then dont buy it then. Anyway This game is gona be awsome. I cant wait for this and then when im done, bring on gears of war 2.
Frequency and length of cutscenes ruined MGS2. How did it get such high scores? The game taunts you with the promise of an interesting story and finishes with a terrible ending.
MGS4 sounds like a chore already.
I agree. Metal Gear Solid on the PS1 is one of the best games ever made. MGS2 is one of the worst! Mainly down to the fact that one of the most inventive games was instantly turned into a sem-playable Film! I was horrified at having to sit through 30-45 min cut scenes before I could get gaming again. It also caused problems when I just wanted to play a few mins before going out. I was playing it once while waiting for a friend to pick me up, I palyed it for around 20 mins and completed the level. A cut scene came on and after about 10 mins my friend turned up. I then had to make the decision whether to go out and leave the cutscene playing or to switch the machine off and have to play the 20 mins of the game again (and the 10 or so mins of the cutscene I had already watched) I waited another 5 mins and decided that I needed to switch it off as the game is so heavily based around the story (not a bad thing) that if I missed any storyline it would spoil the game. I later found that the cutscene I was trying to watch was almost 45 mins long!!
i know its kind of what mgs games are about but couldnt they deliver the story in a different way? i mean hl and hl2 lets you play through the story with no cutscenes but this is probably at the other end of the scale from mgs.
Personally in a game i don't beleive there's ever the need for a cut-scene that long, i've played thousands of games that have managed to convey a good story line without resorting to that.
But MGS is just not my type of game...& i think it's accepted that you either love it or hate it...bit like marmite really.
Like somebody has already said there may be 90mins of cutscenes but the game play is over 20 hours! It took OPM 29 hours to finish the game. Money well spent IMO.
Like somebody has already said there may be 90mins of cutscenes but the game play is over 20 hours! It took OPM 29 hours to finish the game. Money well spent IMO.
There are not 90mins of cutscenes there are cutscenes that are 90 min in length!! Money not well spent IMO.
Frequency and length of cutscenes ruined MGS2. How did it get such high scores? The game taunts you with the promise of an interesting story and finishes with a terrible ending.
MGS3 was much worse than 2 IMO. The cutscenes are not the worst part, its those conversations on the codec, they simply would not stop. On and on and on most of it inane dribble, unimportant in every single way. I think he was trying to add depth to the characters it ended up boring.
This 90 minutes thing sounds annoying. I dont know why hes persisting on taking this long and complicated story and making it MORE complicated. A percentage of MGS4 players werent even born when the first was created, so for them its pointless and even more boring. Not for me though.....
If we dont find out who the la-li-lu-le-lo are and there motives im going to be more than a little disapointed.
Not that I don't believe CVG regarding the 90 min cutscenes, it's just that I have just read that article in PSW and I can't remember reading anything about 90 min cutscenes. That comment about cushions and teabags, yep. Mmmm.
If it is true, then so be it. I haven't watched a decent film in ages.
I'm having problems with this article and it's still quite early on Friday morning remember. is this one cut scene of 90 minutes or cut scenes adding up to 90 minutes. someone help....too much Budweiser last night
Surely this means there is 90 minutes worth of cutscenes in the whole game. I don't remember watching MGS2 for 45 mins in one sitting anyway. Or maybe my brain has blocked it out as a traumatic event. Either way, Kojima's obsession with movies is affecting his games for the worse. MGs 1&2 were great but this is silly.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
It is not that you are FORCED to watch them as THEY COULD be SKIPPED
great, and then you miss the plot. Brilliant idea there, Einstein ;-p
And the article is saying, just to clarify, that there are (possible multiple) cutscenes in the game that are 90minutes long. Each. Not 90 mins of cutscenes full stop.
Like somebody has already said there may be 90mins of cutscenes but the game play is over 20 hours! It took OPM 29 hours to finish the game. Money well spent IMO.
Lost Odyssey took me over 60 hours to complete, and thats without doing all the side missions, but it didn't need 90 min cutscenes to tell its story. It at least broke it up into bytesize, playable chunks.
Look, don't get me wrong. I do like MGS. I thoroughly enjoyed MGS1 and MGS2 (until the ending robbed me of any sense of completion) and even MGS3. I will play and probably enjoy MGS4. But I won't enjoy 90 min cutscenes, no matter how great they are, because I'll constantly be worrying "what if it gets interrupted" or "what if a cutscene kicks in now and I need to go out in half an hour?" Games shouldn't have to force you to play them in obscenely long chunks.
I think the article is implying there are many cutscenes, some of them are approaching 90mins long each. If, as has been said, there's 20 hours of gameplay but it took 29 hours to finish, that would imply there's 9 hours of cutscenes total.
Bit silly if you ask me. But then I always found the MGS games to be a little pretentious and not that great anyway.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
Has anyone read the thread. All i can see is a bunch of people complaining on how they don't want to watch a 90 minute cutscene. When it acctually says that all the cutscenes in the game add up to 90 minutes.
Screw my bad english and reading skills. Lol
I shall apologise now everyone sorry am abit on edge this morning. The dog has chewed my 360 charge and play kit and i only have the usb end left.
I thought that MGS4 may just be the game that persuades me to buy a PS3 - it would appear not, the ridiculous amount of cut scenes in previous titles in the series were completely tiresome as far as I'm concerned, so there's no way I'm going to sit and watch 90 minutes of FMV....not even 45 minutes
Even so, for those that love the MGS series, I'm sure that it'll have enough clever gameplay features and set-pieces to still make it an incredible experience....just as long as you can be bothered with the cut-scenes
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
What I'm saying is they should have thought less about disc capacity and more about read-speed. I really can't wait for the inevitable MGS4 port to 360 in 10 or 11 months time, so we can all see that it will fit on a 9gb dvd and load just as fast, if not faster, than the PS3 version. With no install.
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
Sorry, what? Why did you quote us? We dont want your rant about what you think it will sell - it was nothing to do with what we said...
And personally, I'd say you're completely wrong. Even if every PS3 owner bought MGS4, it wouldnt beat out sales of Halo 3 - there just arent enough PS3's out there (depending on the territory you look at, of course)
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
Sorry, what? Why did you quote us? We dont want your rant about what you think it will sell - it was nothing to do with what we said...
And personally, I'd say you're completely wrong. Even if every PS3 owner bought MGS4, it wouldnt beat out sales of Halo 3 - there just arent enough PS3's out there (depending on the territory you look at, of course)
PS3 has surpassed x360's LTD in europe.
Resistance/motorstorm have sold more than Halo3 in europe. In europe x360 doesnt exists.
MGS4 will surpass x360's EU sales in the first week
FF13/GT5 will sell halo3's LTD in the first week worldwide
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
I highly doubt that. I think it'll sell well, but it will be preaching to the converted. I don't see it being the system seller everyone wants it to be; its just not that kind of game; the last part in very story-focussed series just wont appeal to those who havent been following it since the beginning, and if you remember, MGS3's sales were pretty apalling in Europe.
Metal Gear Solid 1 was one of the greatest games I have ever played. I completed and enjoyed MGS2 and 3, but to be honest as the cut-scenes have got longer, the conversations have got more and more inane and pointless. I'm pretty sure that I actually fell asleep during the final MGS3 cutscene. (I think thats the one that is over 30 mins long.) Nevertheless if I managed to get a week off work I'm sure I'd enjoy being alternately excited and bored by Kojima all over again.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
What I'm saying is they should have thought less about disc capacity and more about read-speed. I really can't wait for the inevitable MGS4 port to 360 in 10 or 11 months time, so we can all see that it will fit on a 9gb dvd and load just as fast, if not faster, than the PS3 version. With no install.
Wake up, MrXbob, it was just a dream.....
Do you honestly think that 9 hours of cutscenes and 20 hours of gameplay will fit on a dvd? Eeek.
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
Sorry, what? Why did you quote us? We dont want your rant about what you think it will sell - it was nothing to do with what we said...
And personally, I'd say you're completely wrong. Even if every PS3 owner bought MGS4, it wouldnt beat out sales of Halo 3 - there just arent enough PS3's out there (depending on the territory you look at, of course)
PS3 is just 4m behind x360 in Worldwide sales . just 4m behind but it has already overtaken x360 in LTD sales for europe and Japan
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
Right, so thats why the hard drive installations bring the speed up to the same as the 360, right? Because DVD is so slow...? Do you even know what you're talking about? The number one reason the PS3 has installs for most games is to bring the load-times up. Load times which, in many comparisons in many multi-platform games, have been the same as the 360 version reading straight from the disc.
Tell me how you even come to the conclusion you just made..
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Installation has nothing to do with the amount of data on the discs. I agree blu-ray has an advantage with disc space, because multiple-disc games should have died out with the PS1. But when it comes at a cost of load-speed, I know which one I'd rather choose.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
GTA IV wasnt gimped. I love how you all try to blame game shortcomings on the 360. If the PS3 is such an awesome machine, why does nobody bother to work that little bit extra to prove it? The game would have been identical had it just been PS3 exclusive - stop kidding yourselves.
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
I highly doubt that. I think it'll sell well, but it will be preaching to the converted. I don't see it being the system seller everyone wants it to be; its just not that kind of game; the last part in very story-focussed series just wont appeal to those who havent been following it since the beginning, and if you remember, MGS3's sales were pretty apalling in Europe.
It'll ship PS3's galore in Japan, though.
there is nothing to doubt as Europe is PS3's territory. PS3 has surpassed x360's LTD in europe in march even launching 16 months after x360 .
Resistance and Motorstorm have all sold more than Halo3 in europe. GTA4 sold 2x as much on PS3 in europe too
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
What I'm saying is they should have thought less about disc capacity and more about read-speed. I really can't wait for the inevitable MGS4 port to 360 in 10 or 11 months time, so we can all see that it will fit on a 9gb dvd and load just as fast, if not faster, than the PS3 version. With no install.
Wake up, MrXbob, it was just a dream.....
Do you honestly think that 9 hours of cutscenes and 20 hours of gameplay will fit on a dvd? Eeek.
GTA IV has (for me) 85 hours of gameplay so far. And I never even tried multiplayer yet.
Mass Effect has (for me) around 65 hours (in one game) .
Game length does not equal game file size. I don't know WHY people think that.
edit: Also, you do know cutscenes use the in-game engine, right? That means it uses the same data, the same visuals, the same engine, it just has scripts and sounds to tell the game what to do. It's not like they're uncompressed HD video files. Cutscenes take up very little space.
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
Right, so thats why the hard drive installations bring the speed up to the same as the 360, right? Because DVD is so slow...? Do you even know what you're talking about? The number one reason the PS3 has installs for most games is to bring the load-times up. Load times which, in many comparisons in many multi-platform games, have been the same as the 360 version reading straight from the disc.
Tell me how you even come to the conclusion you just made..
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Installation has nothing to do with the amount of data on the discs. I agree blu-ray has an advantage with disc space, because multiple-disc games should have died out with the PS1. But when it comes at a cost of load-speed, I know which one I'd rather choose.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
GTA IV wasnt gimped. I love how you all try to blame game shortcomings on the 360. If the PS3 is such an awesome machine, why does nobody bother to work that little bit extra to prove it? The game would have been identical had it just been PS3 exclusive - stop kidding yourselves.
HDD installations removes screen tearing and stabilizes frame rate. BURNOUT runs at 60 fps on PS3 and 30 fps on x360. same goes to DMC4. DVD has slower angular velocity than Blu Ray while reading dual layered disc or DVD 9. days of backdated 2$ dvd drive are gone.
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
there is no cost.load speed as the backdatred DVD drive has a seek speed of 0.6 g/s vs 3.g/s on Blu Ray.
Blu Ray uses direct data streaming as in Killzone 2. This is why PS3's games like NGS,RR7,WARDEVIL,WIPEOUT,GT5P run at 1080p native at 60f . howver no game on x360 run at 1080p native as x360 doesnt have the bandwidth to do so
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
the xbox 360 launched a year earler than PS3 in USA
and 1 and a half year ahead of PS3 in europe.
by october PS3 will fully overtake x360 in WW sales
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Nasim you are a sony zealot, please grow the heck up!
We're talking about MGS4 and the length of it's cut scenes, not whether you think Blu Ray is king or how much you think MGS4 is going to sell...you're seriously deluded if you believe MGS4 is going to outsell GTA4, let alone Halo 3.
ONtopic:
I did enjoy MGS2 despite it's stupidly long cut scenes, it was one of the most immersive games I've played on the PS2. 90 minutes of cut scenes in total is actually kinda what I've been expecting, Kojima has always said he'd be going to town on them in MGS4, and from what I've seen in trailers, they look absolutely fantastic.
Perhaps MGS4 will give us a truley interactive experience, gamers welcoming the next long cut scene and the progression of the story, or perhaps we'll all be madly bashing the buttons trying to skip them?...It all comes down to how they are built into the design, and how much they capture the imagination of gamers.
I'm not against 90mins of cut scenes if they are scripted really well, but in my experience of all Japanese design, they are normally long drawn out affairs, which you either love or loathe.
Games which allow you to be part of the narrative are much more powerful, HL2 does this brilliantly and it's high time designers made more attempt to keep them interactive, even if it's done in a God of War style.
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
That's classic. Well spotted
wow XBOT
x360 was launched a year earler than PS3 in USA
and 1 and a half year earlier than PS3 in EUROPE.
too bad it has been overtaken in europe where it is a DEAD CONSOLE now
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Nasim you are a sony zealot, please grow the heck up!
We're talking about MGS4 and the length of it's cut scenes, not whether you think Blu Ray is king or how much you think MGS4 is going to sell...you're seriously deluded if you believe MGS4 is going to outsell GTA4, let alone Halo 3.
ONtopic:
I did enjoy MGS2 despite it's stupidly long cut scenes, it was one of the most immersive games I've played on the PS2. 90 minutes of cut scenes in total is actually kinda what I've been expecting, Kojima has always said he'd be going to town on them in MGS4, and from what I've seen in trailers, they look absolutely fantastic.
Perhaps MGS4 will give us a truley interactive experience, gamers welcoming the next long cut scene and the progression of the story, or perhaps we'll all be madly bashing the buttons trying to skip them?...It all comes down to how they are built into the design, and how much they capture the imagination of gamers.
I'm not against 90mins of cut scenes if they are scripted really well, but in my experience of all Japanese design, they are normally long drawn out affairs, which you either love or loathe.
Games which allow you to be part of the narrative are much more powerful, HL2 does this brilliantly and it's high time designers made more attempt to keep them interactive, even if it's done in a God of War style.
hey XBOT just shut up and play your FLOP DRAGON /FLOP ODYSSEY on 4 DVD discs. make sure that your XFIX ME doesn RROD
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
b******s. Uncharted has very fast load times, granted, but they're not nonexistant- its just a very well implemented game, using corridors to mask data streaming times.
Blu Ray uses direct data streaming as in Killzone 2. This is why PS3's games like NGS,RR7,WARDEVIL,WIPEOUT,GT5P run at 1080p native at 60f . howver no game on x360 run at 1080p native as x360 doesnt have the bandwidth to do so
Yes, and thats why Haze runs at 576p and doesnt support 4-player split screen, is it?
Besides, the PS3 visuals might be able to reach higher defs, but they lack a crucial feature- hardware antialiasing. Extremely noticable when you're playing a game in HD.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
What I'm saying is they should have thought less about disc capacity and more about read-speed. I really can't wait for the inevitable MGS4 port to 360 in 10 or 11 months time, so we can all see that it will fit on a 9gb dvd and load just as fast, if not faster, than the PS3 version. With no install.
Wake up, MrXbob, it was just a dream.....
Do you honestly think that 9 hours of cutscenes and 20 hours of gameplay will fit on a dvd? Eeek.
GTA IV has (for me) 85 hours of gameplay so far. And I never even tried multiplayer yet.
Mass Effect has (for me) around 65 hours (in one game) .
Game length does not equal game file size. I don't know WHY people think that.
edit: Also, you do know cutscenes use the in-game engine, right? That means it uses the same data, the same visuals, the same engine, it just has scripts and sounds to tell the game what to do. It's not like they're uncompressed HD video files. Cutscenes take up very little space.
HDD installations removes screen tearing and stabilizes frame rate.
OH MY GOD! Seriously. I'm not having this discussion with you if you're honestly that clueless about how games work. The game works exactly the same, it doesnt matter if its read from a disc or hard drive. Frame rate issues come from the processors not being able to keep up with whats on screen. The same amount of things on screen are there whethere its on a disc or a hard drive.
Screen tearing comes from a little thing called VSYNC. It has nothing to do with where the game is played from, it's built into the games code.
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
OH! I do apologise. The 360 must have snuck in a few blu-ray games when I wasnt looking, cause last time I checked, GTAIV, Crackdown, Halo 3 and many other games all have no loading. Because clearly DVDs can't stream data at all.
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
b******s. Uncharted has very fast load times, granted, but they're not nonexistant- its just a very well implemented game, using corridors to mask data streaming times.
Blu Ray uses direct data streaming as in Killzone 2. This is why PS3's games like NGS,RR7,WARDEVIL,WIPEOUT,GT5P run at 1080p native at 60f . howver no game on x360 run at 1080p native as x360 doesnt have the bandwidth to do so
Yes, and thats why Haze runs at 576p and doesnt support 4-player split screen, is it?
Besides, the PS3 visuals might be able to reach higher defs, but they lack a crucial feature- hardware antialiasing. Extremely noticable when you're playing a game in HD.
But we're way off topic here.
GAYLO3 runs at 640P
There are 32 PS3 games which run at 1080p native vs 0 on x360
There are 5 PS3 games which run not only at 1080p native but at 60 fps
RR7 runs at 1080p at 60 fps
wardevil runs at 1080p at 60 fps
GT5p runs at 1080p at 60 fps
WIPEOUT HD runs at 1080p at 60 fps
NGS runs at 1080p at 60 fps
Too bad no game on x360 runs at 1080p native. GAYLO3 runs at 640p on x360
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
WRONG! It's a 4.6gb install. But to be honest I would allow a 46gb install for this game! At the end of the day, only MGS fans are going to buy the game anyway. And they know what to expect..
What I'm saying is they should have thought less about disc capacity and more about read-speed. I really can't wait for the inevitable MGS4 port to 360 in 10 or 11 months time, so we can all see that it will fit on a 9gb dvd and load just as fast, if not faster, than the PS3 version. With no install.
Wake up, MrXbob, it was just a dream.....
Do you honestly think that 9 hours of cutscenes and 20 hours of gameplay will fit on a dvd? Eeek.
GTA IV has (for me) 85 hours of gameplay so far. And I never even tried multiplayer yet.
Mass Effect has (for me) around 65 hours (in one game) .
Game length does not equal game file size. I don't know WHY people think that.
edit: Also, you do know cutscenes use the in-game engine, right? That means it uses the same data, the same visuals, the same engine, it just has scripts and sounds to tell the game what to do. It's not like they're uncompressed HD video files. Cutscenes take up very little space.
85 hours on GTA4? 65 of those will be driving to and from missions. 65 hours on Mass Effect? You could complete it 6 times in 65 hours! Stop trying to preach to people the rights and wrongs of the world according to MrXBob! I am a MGS fan. Do you think I honestly care about some inane negativity from a 360 owner? Whatever the reason for the install, I couldn't care less, because I will be playing MGS4 in a couple of weeks, and you won't. Simple. Oh, and I can't wait to see the cutscenes either because they look better than most action films of recent times. And it still has 20 hours of solid gameplay. Or if I was you it would be 100 hours of gameplay.
I don't really care if the cut scene is long 10 or 90 minutes (although 90 minutes... well... that's a hell of a lot ), if it's done well. 10 minutes of horrible cut scene can be more boring than 90 minutes of a great one.
I loved the cut scenes in MGS3, though I hope there won't be so much codec talks in MGS4, that's the only thing I'd like to complain about in MGS series
Well, at least I'll be able to watch a great movie after some time
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
Installation has a lot to do with pop-ins, i will give you that - but from comparison videos, the PS3 and 360 versions have identical pop-in issues.
Also, GTA4 loads at the same speed on both systems, if a little slower on PS3. Look here for your proof.
I mean come on, you see images in PS3's loading sequence that I didnt even know existed because the load is shorter on 360.
So tell me, how exactly are these installations helping the load times? They arent. They're simply bringing them up to par with the 360 because the blu-ray drive simply cannot load as fast as the 360's drive. End of.
I don't really care if the cut scene is long 10 or 90 minutes (although 90 minutes... well... that's a hell of a lot ), if it's done well. 10 minutes of horrible cut scene can be more boring than 90 minutes of a great one.
I loved the cut scenes in MGS3, though I hope there won't be so much codec talks in MGS4, that's the only thing I'd like to complain about in MGS series
Well, at least I'll be able to watch a great movie after some time
just get out of this MGS4 thread XBOT
go play HALO3 at 640P and CRAP DRAGON/CRAP ODYSSEY at 720P since x360 cant run games at 1080P native
But regardless of all the above, we're still talking about 90 minute long cut-scenes! That news is the decider for whether I was going to buy this or not. If I want to watch a movie, I watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I play a game. I don't have the time to play for 30 minutes and then watch a 90 minute cut-scene. Sure, you can "skip them", but I would assume that somewhere in those 90 minutes is a crucial plot point...
The last MGS game I played was the first one and I found the cut-scenes irritating in that (heck, I even skipped cut-scenes in "Halo 3" - Maybe I just have a short attention spa... oh look, a squirrel!)
MGS4 will outsell halo3/gears/any x360's total LTD sales in europe/japan in the first week
MGS4 wont sell to just MGS fans but all PS2 owners too who havent bought PS3 as of yet
MGS4 is more hyped in the PS community than GTA4
MGS4 will sell 2m at launch in europe alone
I highly doubt that. I think it'll sell well, but it will be preaching to the converted. I don't see it being the system seller everyone wants it to be; its just not that kind of game; the last part in very story-focussed series just wont appeal to those who havent been following it since the beginning, and if you remember, MGS3's sales were pretty apalling in Europe.
It'll ship PS3's galore in Japan, though.
there is nothing to doubt as Europe is PS3's territory. PS3 has surpassed x360's LTD in europe in march even launching 16 months after x360 .
Resistance and Motorstorm have all sold more than Halo3 in europe. GTA4 sold 2x as much on PS3 in europe too
I'm sorry, but you really are a true fan boy, blinded by faith. Even when the facts contradict everything you say.
For example (source vgchartz):
Sales in Europe
Halo 3: 2.03m Resistance: 1.58m Motorstorm: 1.53m
Xbox 360: 6.58m PS3: 5.66m
I would love to see where you got your information from. Oh and I would also like to point out that at ps3 launch in Europe you could only buy a ps3 with two games bundled with it, and of those choices motorstorm and resistance were the most common. That did help their sales somewhat.
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
Installation has a lot to do with pop-ins, i will give you that - but from comparison videos, the PS3 and 360 versions have identical pop-in issues.
Also, GTA4 loads at the same speed on both systems, if a little slower on PS3. Look here for your proof.
I mean come on, you see images in PS3's loading sequence that I didnt even know existed because the load is shorter on 360.
LOL XBOT
IGN,GAMESRADAR, EGM all confirmed the popins in x360 version. there is no pop in in PS3 version
GTA4 loads faster on PS3(IGN)
http://www.gamereactor.se/recensioner/13716/Grand+Theft+Auto+IV/ Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.
IGN
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-139354.aspx?CT=2
"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".
X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version "Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPending-139291.aspx
"PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "
"Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4
http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08170/29zbk3d922.gif
So happy that i own a PS3
GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR
"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"
Others here u go
x360 version of GTA4 will cause your xbox 3 FIX me to permannently RROD
apparently there is no fix for the FREEZING on the X360 version
look at the DIFFERENCES in COLORS of the cars/ shadows/ roads. Notice that one features yellow stripes on the roads which appear as white stripes on the other version. Notice the shadows which appear dark orange on one version. Notice the car which appears slightly more greenish on the ps3 version. The yellowish green tint is VERY MUCH NOTICEABLE in one version only. see the comparison footages from 3:00 to the end to base your judgement
Gamesradar
http://www.n4g.com/News-140238.aspx
Clearly the video demonstrates the slight improved brightness and color depth in one of the versions
I don't really care if the cut scene is long 10 or 90 minutes (although 90 minutes... well... that's a hell of a lot ), if it's done well. 10 minutes of horrible cut scene can be more boring than 90 minutes of a great one.
I loved the cut scenes in MGS3, though I hope there won't be so much codec talks in MGS4, that's the only thing I'd like to complain about in MGS series
Well, at least I'll be able to watch a great movie after some time
just get out of this MGS4 thread XBOT
go play HALO3 at 640P and CRAP DRAGON/CRAP ODYSSEY at 720P since x360 cant run games at 1080P native
lol Just for your info, I don't have Xbox, nor Xbox360, I have just PS2 and PS3 and can't wait for MGS4 and FFXIII
You should seriously shut the hell up and go back to play with your friends in kindergarten, you are annoying.
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
That's classic. Well spotted
wow XBOT
x360 was launched a year earler than PS3 in USA
and 1 and a half year earlier than PS3 in EUROPE.
too bad it has been overtaken in europe where it is a DEAD CONSOLE now
Oh please....have you just crawled out from under a rock after hearing some people dared to criticise an element of MGS4?
You've just spiralled this thread out of control with your misinformed posts - I don't think I'm just speaking for myself when I say that I really couldn't care less about your pointless Europe/Japan sales figures - especially for games that are in no way related to MGS4 (which this thread concerns)....we've heard it all before and it's far from relevant to any of us gamers, we get enough of that rubbish with the analyst predictions - you another that owns shares in Sony or something?
go play HALO3 at 640P and CRAP DRAGON/CRAP ODYSSEY at 720P since x360 cant run games at 1080P native
Nasim... shut up. Your pathetic jibes are completely irrelevant here, and I think you'll find that those of us comparing the PS3 and 360 here actually do own both consoles (I know I do). Theres no point in slagging off perfectly good games irrespective of system anyway, and as you yourself pointed out, this is, indeed, an MGS4 thread.
So, back on topic. Any word on whether the rumoured sixaxis neck-snapping made it into final release?
I can't believe people are whinging about cut scenes in an MGS game. Like someone said elsewhere, moaning about cut scenes in MGS is like moaning about all the text in a JRPG. How about you stop looking for any reason to slag off the PS3 and everything on it... It was getting tired six months ago.
The cut scenes are on top of the 20-odd hours of actual gameplay, not instead of it. Some people on here seem to conveniently ignore that so they can have a whinge and get all dramatic... "WHAAA!! I'm not buying it now" "WHAAA!! Preorder cancelled" "WHAAA!! PS3 sucks"
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
Installation has a lot to do with pop-ins, i will give you that - but from comparison videos, the PS3 and 360 versions have identical pop-in issues.
Also, GTA4 loads at the same speed on both systems, if a little slower on PS3. Look here for your proof.
I mean come on, you see images in PS3's loading sequence that I didnt even know existed because the load is shorter on 360.
LOL XBOT.... lots of random crap here
Wow, I'm not even going to bother. And do you know why? Every GTA IV review, on both 360 and PS3, was a farce. 10/10 almost straight across the board on a game that has many bugs and choppy visuals? Whatever. They payed through the nose for those scores and I will not be brought into a debate about that.
The video I posted is all the proof you need on the loading time - I care not what your precious critics say.
HDD installations removes screen tearing and stabilizes frame rate.
OH MY GOD! Seriously. I'm not having this discussion with you if you're honestly that clueless about how games work. The game works exactly the same, it doesnt matter if its read from a disc or hard drive. Frame rate issues come from the processors not being able to keep up with whats on screen. The same amount of things on screen are there whethere its on a disc or a hard drive.
Screen tearing comes from a little thing called VSYNC. It has nothing to do with where the game is played from, it's built into the games code.
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
OH! I do apologise. The 360 must have snuck in a few blu-ray games when I wasnt looking, cause last time I checked, GTAIV, Crackdown, Halo 3 and many other games all have no loading. Because clearly DVDs can't stream data at all.
hahha HALO 3 runs at 640 P . it looks like a crap n64 game
Crackdown --is that a s**t or something. is it unplayable on x360.
GTA4on x360????????????????
numerous pop ins/FR tearing/ long loading times /unstable framerate/ washed out colours ==thats what make GTA4 on x360
everyone seems to be bitching about xbox and ps3s now. so i thought i might as well! I wouldnt say i know many people but of the people i do know not one has PS3 and 8 of them have 360's.(that doesnt mean i know 8
over that past few months i have wondered where this ps3 install base is?
is it some chavs watching fast and the furious on Blue ray in the deepest depths of the midlands smoking cheap hash. becuase for the life of me i cant find anyone with a Ps3 (bar people on forums) my point is thus: MSG and the ps3 dont appeal to the mass market anymore. Now that the population has ADHD who the hell is going to sit of 9 hours and watch cut scenes. the shelves of your local game trade will be brimming with MGS 4 a week after release.
ON TOPIC :
God father 3 was rubbish there were only ever 2 films!!!
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
Installation has a lot to do with pop-ins, i will give you that - but from comparison videos, the PS3 and 360 versions have identical pop-in issues.
Also, GTA4 loads at the same speed on both systems, if a little slower on PS3. Look here for your proof.
I mean come on, you see images in PS3's loading sequence that I didnt even know existed because the load is shorter on 360.
LOL XBOT.... lots of random crap here
Wow, I'm not even going to bother. And do you know why? Every GTA IV review, on both 360 and PS3, was a farce. 10/10 almost straight across the board on a game that has many bugs and choppy visuals? Whatever. They payed through the nose for those scores and I will not be brought into a debate about that.
The video I posted is all the proof you need on the loading time - I care not what your precious critics say.
The links i posted were from IGN,GAMESRADAR, EGM
and several other video comparisons from IGN,GAMESRADAR,VIDEOGAMER and other websites
those are not crap links
GTA4 was gimped graphically because of XBREAK 3 FIX ME just like GHOSTBUSTERS.
Some people have no interest in an actual discussion, there pretty much the same people who spend their lives anonymously abusing people over live & PSN.
HDD installations removes screen tearing and stabilizes frame rate.
OH MY GOD! Seriously. I'm not having this discussion with you if you're honestly that clueless about how games work. The game works exactly the same, it doesnt matter if its read from a disc or hard drive. Frame rate issues come from the processors not being able to keep up with whats on screen. The same amount of things on screen are there whethere its on a disc or a hard drive.
Screen tearing comes from a little thing called VSYNC. It has nothing to do with where the game is played from, it's built into the games code.
Uncharted has 0 load time on ps3 --thanks to DATA STREAMING by blu ray.
OH! I do apologise. The 360 must have snuck in a few blu-ray games when I wasnt looking, cause last time I checked, GTAIV, Crackdown, Halo 3 and many other games all have no loading. Because clearly DVDs can't stream data at all.
hahha HALO 3 runs at 640 P . it looks like a crap n64 game
Crackdown --is that a s**t or something. is it unplayable on x360.
GTA4on x360????????????????
numerous pop ins/FR tearing/ long loading times /unstable framerate/ washed out colours ==thats what make GTA4 on x360
I think we can all agree Nasim was abused as a child. We should all comfort him as best we can, but please, for his sake, don't touch his special area...
There there, little guy. Everythings going to be okay.
Installation has everything to do with Frame rate and pop ins . GTA4 loads faster on PS3 too.
Installation has a lot to do with pop-ins, i will give you that - but from comparison videos, the PS3 and 360 versions have identical pop-in issues.
Also, GTA4 loads at the same speed on both systems, if a little slower on PS3. Look here for your proof.
I mean come on, you see images in PS3's loading sequence that I didnt even know existed because the load is shorter on 360.
LOL XBOT
Oh no - I know who this idiot is now....this guy is legendary for his pointless, PS3 loving, stupid cut-and-paste posts from a certain other site......a site referring to gamers in Europe (hint, hint)
everyone seems to be bitching about xbox and ps3s now. so i thought i might as well! I wouldnt say i know many people but of the people i do know not one has PS3 and 8 of them have 360's.(that doesnt mean i know 8
over that past few months i have wondered where this ps3 install base is?
is it some chavs watching fast and the furious on Blue ray in the deepest depths of the midlands smoking cheap hash. becuase for the life of me i cant find anyone with a Ps3 (bar people on forums) my point is thus: MSG and the ps3 dont appeal to the mass market anymore. Now that the population has ADHD who the hell is going to sit of 9 hours and watch cut scenes. the shelves of your local game trade will be brimming with MGS 4 a week after release.
ON TOPIC :
God father 3 was rubbish there were only ever 2 films!!!
apparentlt there is no one with an x360 in europe . all x360s there were traded in for either PS3 or wii .
PS3 went on to beat x360 in sales for the first 4 months in USA too. Most xbox owners purchased x360. However it is ps2 owners who now make the leap to PS3.
x360 is finished in europe and Japan. USA will be gone fully on June 12th 2008
God father 3 was rubbish there were only ever 2 films!!!
Oh c'mon, don't be ignorant, just because you don't like something, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, sheesh. Godfather is a trilogy for a reason.
I'm holding you to that. You do know that the sequel to one of the biggest and most critically-aclaimed action games is out exclusively on 360 in 2 weeks? Do you really believe the whole 360 userbase is going to destroy their consoles 2 weeks after that because of one game that you care about?
You need to get a grip on life. Your sexual feelings towards a game don't matter to everybody else.
CVG, You could quite rightly ban 25% of people on this thread and make the world a better place. I have never read so much childish and fowl language since I left (primary) school. Come on people, you give gaming a bad name. You can have a laugh and poke fun, but now this is getting stupid.
http://www.gamereactor.se/recensioner/13716/Grand+Theft+Auto+IV/ Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.
IGN
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-139354.aspx?CT=2
"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".
X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version "Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPending-139291.aspx
"PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "
"Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4
http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08170/29zbk3d922.gif
So happy that i own a PS3
GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR
"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"
Others here u go
x360 version of GTA4 will cause your xbox 3 FIX me to permannently RROD
apparently there is no fix for the FREEZING on the X360 version
CVG, You could quite rightly ban 25% of people on this thread and make the world a better place. I have never read so much childish and fowl language since I left (primary) school. Come on people, you give gaming a bad name. You can have a laugh and poke fun, but now this is getting stupid.
We're having a laugh and poking fun at nasim. No harm done there! Infact I'd say we're all having a jolly good time apart from him/her/it.
Frequency and length of cutscenes ruined MGS2. How did it get such high scores? The game taunts you with the promise of an interesting story and finishes with a terrible ending.
MGS4 sounds like a chore already.
U HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT ONE - I DONT THINK I WILL BE INVESTING IN IT TO BE HONEST, which is a shame cuz i never play my ps3 and was kinda looking forward to this a lil.
But i have said if it plays like MGS2 then i would buy it - that was an eye-opening experience when it came out u have to give it that, but if it is anything like snake eater it will stay on the shelf for me.
no need for such LONG DRAWN OUT waffle waffle waffle, CUZ THAT IS WHAT IT IS LIKE WHEN UR WATCHING IT. Put ya to sleep
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
I'm holding you to that. You do know that the sequel to one of the biggest and most critically-aclaimed action games is out exclusively on 360 in 2 weeks? Do you really believe the whole 360 userbase is going to destroy their consoles 2 weeks after that because of one game that you care about?
You need to get a grip on life. Your sexual feelings towards a game don't matter to everybody else.
hahhaa NG2 --no one even knows about that . NG2 against MGS4??? hahaaaaa it will be torn away by MGS4. NG2 doesnt exist in the minds of even the XBOTS in US not to even mention europe/japan --dead territories for x360.
MGS4 will break some sales records in europe /Japan and US.
LOl
what an xbot?
it is over for MS and x360 in console war. It is finished on June 12th 2008
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
Nasim is here - its a lost cause. If you want a nice discussion, you'd be better off going somewhere else to be honest
We need a name to match that, because really - its so unique and original and extremely cleverly used.
Lets see... how about PS3t**tFACEDc**kSUCKINGBASTARDISEDWANKTIT?
Yeah. Has a nice ring to it Grow the hell up.
I was going more for PSThree-tard, but then I realised I'm not an idiotic fanboy bashing on about graphics and loading times.
I should actually play 2 and 3 to get ready for this. I bought them a while ago but only played the first hour, then never touched them again as other games held my interest. Not that I'm not a fan, it's just I never got round to it.
CVG, You could quite rightly ban 25% of people on this thread and make the world a better place. I have never read so much childish and fowl language since I left (primary) school. Come on people, you give gaming a bad name. You can have a laugh and poke fun, but now this is getting stupid.
We're having a laugh and poking fun at nasim. No harm done there! Infact I'd say we're all having a jolly good time apart from him/her/it.
I'm holding you to that. You do know that the sequel to one of the biggest and most critically-aclaimed action games is out exclusively on 360 in 2 weeks? Do you really believe the whole 360 userbase is going to destroy their consoles 2 weeks after that because of one game that you care about?
You need to get a grip on life. Your sexual feelings towards a game don't matter to everybody else.
hahhaa NG2 --no one even knows about that . NG2 against MGS4??? hahaaaaa it will be torn away by MGS4. NG2 doesnt exist in the minds of even the XBOTS in US not to even mention europe/japan --dead territories for x360.
MGS4 will break some sales records in europe /Japan and US.
LOl
what an xbot?
it is over for MS and x360 in console war. It is finished on June 12th 2008
Of course, of course. Just keep living your dillusions. I'm going to find you on this forum on that day and post all the Xbox Live stats I can find. Just because I'm nice like that
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
Nasim is here - its a lost cause. If you want a nice discussion, you'd be better off going somewhere else to be honest
hey TARD get back to ur XBOTTTISH forums
Oh i guess no one is there.
SInce everyone knows it is over for MS and x360 in console war
Bioshock --the only game on X360 is now on PS3 (the better version with updated graphics and less loading times)
Mass effect --coming to PS3 too ( will be announced in June)
hahhaa NG2 --no one even knows about that . NG2 against MGS4??? hahaaaaa it will be torn away by MGS4. NG2 doesnt exist in the minds of even the XBOTS in US not to even mention europe/japan --dead territories for x360.
MGS4 will break some sales records in europe /Japan and US.
NG2 won't sell amazingly well, but Im still pretty certain it'll be a great game. After all, NG:Sigma was one of the highest rated and best-selling launch titles for the PS3, wasnt it? And that was a port...
I dont see MGS4 breaking sales records though. LIke I said, its key appeal is to series fans, not newcomers, and as much hype as its going to get I cant see it coming close to the GTA4 launch sales figures.
But enough about sales. Someone answer my question about the sixaxis neck-snapping! Most innovative use of motion controls on the PS3 since Heavenly Sword's Arrow-cam ;D
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
Nasim is here - its a lost cause. If you want a nice discussion, you'd be better off going somewhere else to be honest
hey TARD get back to ur XBOTTTISH forums
Oh i guess no one is there.
SInce everyone knows it is over for MS and x360 in console war
Bioshock --the only game on X360 is now on PS3 (the better version with updated graphics and less loading times)
Mass effect --coming to PS3 too ( will be announced in June)
what remains for flop box 360???
Halo3 at 640P
I can play deluded fanboy, too.
Final Fantsy 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 will all be announced as 360 exclusives tomorrow morning.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to crash every PS3 it's played on when you press start.
Little Big Planet will feature graphic sex acts between nasim and a gigantic spikey dildo.
I'm holding you to that. You do know that the sequel to one of the biggest and most critically-aclaimed action games is out exclusively on 360 in 2 weeks? Do you really believe the whole 360 userbase is going to destroy their consoles 2 weeks after that because of one game that you care about?
You need to get a grip on life. Your sexual feelings towards a game don't matter to everybody else.
hahhaa NG2 --no one even knows about that . NG2 against MGS4??? hahaaaaa it will be torn away by MGS4. NG2 doesnt exist in the minds of even the XBOTS in US not to even mention europe/japan --dead territories for x360.
MGS4 will break some sales records in europe /Japan and US.
LOl
what an xbot?
it is over for MS and x360 in console war. It is finished on June 12th 2008
Of course, of course. Just keep living your dillusions. I'm going to find you on this forum on that day and post all the Xbox Live stats I can find. Just because I'm nice like that
TARD the sales figures will be posted all over the web
expect MGS4 to beat Flop aiden 2 10:1 in eu sales and 20:1 in Japanese sales
bioshock/mass effect are now on PS3.
There is nothing left on x360 other than mediocre games like NG2/Feeble/Too human etc
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
Nasim is here - its a lost cause. If you want a nice discussion, you'd be better off going somewhere else to be honest
hey TARD get back to ur XBOTTTISH forums
Oh i guess no one is there.
SInce everyone knows it is over for MS and x360 in console war
Bioshock --the only game on X360 is now on PS3 (the better version with updated graphics and less loading times)
Mass effect --coming to PS3 too ( will be announced in June)
what remains for flop box 360???
Halo3 at 640P
I can play deluded fanboy, too.
Final Fantsy 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 will all be announced as 360 exclusives tomorrow morning.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to crash every PS3 it's played on when you press start.
Little Big Planet will feature graphic sex acts between nasim and a gigantic spikey dildo.
oh didnt you hear it Bioshock is announced for PS3
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875945p1.html
Mass effect will be announced in June too (EA doesnt make exclusives and is now in a bad shape)
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
so true lol
I think we can all agree on this one.
Finally- a cause that PS3, X360 and Wii owners can unite in favour of!
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
I'm sorry to fan the flames (I've given up on the discussion now), but THAT was funny!!
i pitty poor nasim, sat in his bedroom. In his mums house. listening to hard house nation 4 on his cheap aiwa stero. Waiting for his to go to the shops so he can sneak outside and smoke one of his regal, he has hidden in his kappa trainners.
and you can copy and paste ,link this to your hearts disire
In the corner of the room is every issue on PSM piled up. above that on the wall he has cut out pictures of the ps3 and pined them to the wall next to his windows 98 pc he has a black shoe box he has cover in tin foil which he pretends is a PS3. This tin foil has a slight covering of seamen !
CVG, You could quite rightly ban 25% of people on this thread and make the world a better place. I have never read so much childish and fowl language since I left (primary) school. Come on people, you give gaming a bad name. You can have a laugh and poke fun, but now this is getting stupid.
For once Mark, I agree with you, incredible.
Gamers have an image in the media today, I wonder where they get that image from.
Its not like this game is gona be 90 min cutscene all at once though is it?
Erm, I read it that that's exactly how it is. My understanding of this article is that there are multiple individual cut-scenes that are each nearly 90 minutes long...
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
get a life mate - t**t (never have i seen so much sony ass-licking in all my days)
Any chance of some comments that don't involve picking on some poor (sadly deluded) kid. Your scaring away all the impartial people on this site who enjoy a good gasbag. I'd much rather watch 90 mins of MGS4 than read any more of this bobbins, that's for sure. Goodbye.
surely they could of used all that "blue ray" disc space to make the gameplay at "least" 80 hours long, for me there's one develepor and thats rockstar.
surely they could of used all that "blue ray" disc space to make the gameplay at "least" 80 hours long, for me there's one develepor and thats rockstar.
What's the problem exactly? GTA IV had 8 hours of cutscenes. Jesus christ. The cutscenes in MGS games are awesome. If i can sit through 8 hours of GTA IV cutscenes, I can sit through 90 minutes of MGS 4 cutscenes.
Come on people FFS do you really believe there are cut scenes in MGS4 that last 90mins that you have to sit through?
If that were the case nobody would bother with the game. most people on here are only here to flame the PS3 (MrXbob I am looking at you) and not talk about the MGS. In the OPM review they said there are a fair few cut scenes but never said anything about cut scenes that last for 90 mins! In fact no other preview I have seen has said anything about 90 min cut scenes.
Whether you agree or disagree that there should be 90 minute long cutscenes in games, I think it again goes to show that Kojima is a true individual in the industry. He makes the game he wants to make. MGS are always unique and a million miles away from focus group tested crap like some of EA's lineup.
Love it or hate it, you can't deny MGS stirs debate like no other game. And that, for me, is why it is currently the most interesting series in gaming.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
Come on people FFS do you really believe there are cut scenes in MGS4 that last 90mins that you have to sit through?
If that were the case nobody would bother with the game. most people on here are only here to flame the PS3 (MrXbob I am looking at you) and not talk about the MGS. In the OPM review they said there are a fair few cut scenes but never said anything about cut scenes that last for 90 mins! In fact no other preview I have seen has said anything about 90 min cut scenes.
Good point, PSW are about as reliable as a 1985 Skoda Riva, so there is a good chance they're talking b******s.
They've messed up with this, it's going to turn more people away than it will attract.
If you've played metal gear before you'll want this game and its sold by the buckets before. The new noob gamers may not want to sit through but the rest of us do.
90 mins TOTAL split between numerous cut-scenes, and they're both pausable and skippable -- it's nit-picking to criticise. The gameplay wouldn't be affected by shorter cut scenes so people are complaining about getting more for their money! If the scenes were talking heads it'd be a case of "so what?" but there's some awesome action that puts many Hollywood movies to shame.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
Ah, a well written argument. There is a god. I totally agree. Slagging off MGS and expecting fans to agree is futile in the extreme. I personally can't wait to cosy up with a bag of revels and a couple of cans and enjoy this epic game.
all the fanboy stuff should be deleted its not needed.
ive always enjoyed the story/cut scenes in metal gear it gives it that epic movie type experience that no other game has.
I agree with you there, MGS is unique in that sense - I guess the only one of the series I really enjoyed was the first on PS1 (and, let's face it, it was magnificent), but it was only the length of the cut-scenes that ruined the following sequels.
I think I was quietly hoping that MGS4 would ease up a little in that respect and, as I said earlier, could've been the game that got me buying a PS3.
In terms of the gameplay - I'm sure it'll be brilliant....there's absolutely no way that any 90 minute cut-scene is going to take anything away from that - for the real hardcore MGS fans, it's still going to be an amazing game.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
....that obviously is only my opinion. Games like Half life and Bioshock appeal to me more, the way they present the story is infinately cleverer. Cut scenes should have died last gen.
90 mins TOTAL split between numerous cut-scenes, and they're both pausable and skippable -- it's nit-picking to criticise. The gameplay wouldn't be affected by shorter cut scenes so people are complaining about getting more for their money! If the scenes were talking heads it'd be a case of "so what?" but there's some awesome action that puts many Hollywood movies to shame.
Now we're back on track. If it's 90 mins TOTAL, that's not a problem, but the article implies that some scenes are 90 minute's individually. To me, that's a problem because I would rather watch a movie of my choice than 90 mins of pretentious twaddle to glean a minor plot point...
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
90 mins TOTAL split between numerous cut-scenes, and they're both pausable and skippable -- it's nit-picking to criticise. The gameplay wouldn't be affected by shorter cut scenes so people are complaining about getting more for their money! If the scenes were talking heads it'd be a case of "so what?" but there's some awesome action that puts many Hollywood movies to shame.
Awesome action?????? Why can't you do it in the game then??? Devil May Cry had some really well choreographed cutscenes but all it did was make the actual combat seem flat. It's all just smoke and mirrors, the game should make you feel like you're in the movie through the controls, not by making you watch it. We have a movie industry already.
That new freerunning game, (Mirrors something?) is a prime example.
....that obviously is only my opinion. Games like Half life and Bioshock appeal to me more, the way they present the story is infinately cleverer. Cut scenes should have died last gen.
Ah, I don't know about that....some cut-scenes are a fantastic addition to a game
I read your post and my mind drifted back to FF7, when Aeris meets her end on Sephiroths sword - great days!
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
....that obviously is only my opinion. Games like Half life and Bioshock appeal to me more, the way they present the story is infinately cleverer. Cut scenes should have died last gen.
Ah, I don't know about that....some cut-scenes are a fantastic addition to a game
I read your post and my mind drifted back to FF7, when Aeris meets her end on Sephiroths sword - great days!
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Err... You just did...
I know I did, but I didn't go to a thread that was set up to discuss an FPS, I said what i did to prove a point, but I'm guessing you already knew that and just wanted to use a winky emoticon. Good on you
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
Ah, a well written argument. There is a god. I totally agree. Slagging off MGS and expecting fans to agree is futile in the extreme. I personally can't wait to cosy up with a bag of revels and a couple of cans and enjoy this epic game.
Thanks mate, that's about the first positive reply I've had at CVG. Good to know this forum isn't populated completely by small minded f**kwits who'd argue over the colour of s**te.
all the fanboy stuff should be deleted its not needed.
ive always enjoyed the story/cut scenes in metal gear it gives it that epic movie type experience that no other game has.
Even the MGS on the PS1 that hardly had any cutscenes (of any great length)? It was much better than any of the sequels which really annoys me as I wanted MGS4 to drop it's pretentious cut scene approach in favour of gameplay. I would even have bought a PS3 just to play it if it even came close to the Genius of the first one. Also if I want an epic movie like experience, I watch movies. I want my games to be games.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Great, I cant wait to read hours of cutscenes, because they dont translate the audio in german anymore.
As great as the metal gear games are in a way, you can clearly see the lack of kojimas GAME design talent. Even Metal Gear Solid featured more videos, bossfights and special scenes than actual sneak em up gameplay, wich already p**sed me off back in the day. MGS2 had far too many and too long cutscenes as well.
I'll propably watch em, because I dont want to miss the story, but I still think kojima would be better off directing movies. He fails in incorporating a story into a game in an intelligent way.
And to all the Fanboys raging off here (from either side): You're idiots Play like you want to, and leave the others alone.
all the fanboy stuff should be deleted its not needed.
ive always enjoyed the story/cut scenes in metal gear it gives it that epic movie type experience that no other game has.
Even the MGS on the PS1 that hardly had any cutscenes (of any great length)? It was much better than any of the sequels which really annoys me as I wanted MGS4 to drop it's pretentious cut scene approach in favour of gameplay. I would even have bought a PS3 just to play it if it even came close to the Genius of the first one. Also if I want an epic movie like experience, I watch movies. I want my games to be games.
...and that is why MGS polarises people. I for one seriously can't understand the appeal. I loved the first and wanted to rip out Kojima's eyes after watching the second. I'm not going to lambast someone who likes the series, I'm just really curious why anyone wants to play for a bit and then watch a huge cutscene? It just seems such a crap way of making an interactive product....the plot isn't even very good.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Surely giving a statement and backing it up with evidence is just a statement of fact, and not an opinion?
An opinion is just someone's gut feeling or considered viewpoint toward something. It doesn't have to be anything factually based. I could argue that, in my opinion, a glass is full, when in fact it could hold 3cubic mililitres ore water, and so technically isn't. But its still my opinion, and that doesnt invalidate it, as such- so long as I don't try and force that same opinion on anyone else, too.
Man can't believe about the negativity about this. For true MGS fans this is gonna be brilliant, theres nothing like sitting back and watching the best story unfold through top quality cutscenes and voice acting.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Mate, seriously, look around. We're on a forum. To be a regular on one you have to be either 1.A retard (nasim) 2.A fanboy 3.Anal (me) 4.Bored (me again) 5.A Nerd(yep, and again)
So using that basis, why do any of us post at all? Don't question my motives and I won't question yours.
I seriously don't get the appeal of this game, as others have also posted. Don't read it or don't acknowledge me; to use your argument.
It is not that you are FORCED to watch them as THEY COULD be SKIPPED
MGS4 has 29 hours of gameplay + 9 hour of cinematics
However the cinematics could be SKIPPED if you dont want to watch them
*********xbots stop trolling this thread
who is this bottom. all his posts must be some of the worst written things ever. even worse than a jane ayre book.
on the topic though i'll sit through every single cut=scene on my first play through. every mgs game theres been has been excellent. ok the story's a wee bit f**ked up but as long as it ends it in a way that explains most things i'll be happy. plus 90 mins should be plenty time to roll a few joints and maybe make some coffee at the same time.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Surely giving a statement and backing it up with evidence is just a statement of fact, and not an opinion?
An opinion is just someone's gut feeling or considered viewpoint toward something. It doesn't have to be anything factually based. I could argue that, in my opinion, a glass is full, when in fact it could hold 3cubic mililitres ore water, and so technically isn't. But its still my opinion, and that doesnt invalidate it, as such- so long as I don't try and force that same opinion on anyone else, too.
From an engineer's point of view, the glass wasn't the right size in the first place.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
Unless you can give detailed lectures on every working part of a console, don't bother explaining to people how they work. There's always someone who knows more about it than you know, and they'll relish the chance to make you look stupid.
The main point here should be that this was off topic anyway, plus these arguments have been raging for ages already.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads for what you're discussing, best of luck to you.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
Ah, a well written argument. There is a god. I totally agree. Slagging off MGS and expecting fans to agree is futile in the extreme. I personally can't wait to cosy up with a bag of revels and a couple of cans and enjoy this epic game.
Thanks mate, that's about the first positive reply I've had at CVG. Good to know this forum isn't populated completely by small minded f**kwits who'd argue over the colour of s**te.
I would have commended your argument Tommy, except you decided to bring in the Xbox 360 and Halo 3 at the end for some reason? It's as if you think the only people "bashing" MGS4s lengthy cut scenes and self indulgent dialogue are all 360 owners who hate everything Sony, which is utter nonsense.
The discussion here is about whether 90 minutes of cut scenes will add value to the game or not, and the jury is still out on that one, since none of us have played it yet.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
Unless you can give detailed lectures on every working part of a console, don't bother explaining to people how they work. There's always someone who knows more about it than you know, and they'll relish the chance to make you look stupid.
The main point here should be that this was off topic anyway, plus these arguments have been raging for ages already.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads for what you're discussing, best of luck to you.
As I said I was merely correcting someone else. I would also say that this is a known fact and the rest of the workings of the console (which I have also extensively read up on) are irrelevent in this context. I stand to be corrected but I don't think I will be as it is common knowledge and the tech specs of both bluray and dvd are widely published.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Mate, seriously, look around. We're on a forum. To be a regular on one you have to be either 1.A retard (nasim) 2.A fanboy 3.Anal (me) 4.Bored (me again) 5.A Nerd(yep, and again)
So using that basis, why do any of us post at all? Don't question my motives and I won't question yours.
I seriously don't get the appeal of this game, as others have also posted. Don't read it or don't acknowledge me; to use your argument.
To be honest I think what I said has validity. I just think that posting on a thread about something you don't like is pointless, because it usually results in some fanboy spouting some absolute bulls**t back at you, so why encourage that?
Post all you like, but don't take offence at the replies. I don't, I just dont' understand your motivation, you must really be bored.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
Ah, a well written argument. There is a god. I totally agree. Slagging off MGS and expecting fans to agree is futile in the extreme. I personally can't wait to cosy up with a bag of revels and a couple of cans and enjoy this epic game.
Thanks mate, that's about the first positive reply I've had at CVG. Good to know this forum isn't populated completely by small minded f**kwits who'd argue over the colour of s**te.
I would have commended your argument Tommy, except you decided to bring in the Xbox 360 and Halo 3 at the end for some reason? It's as if you think the only people "bashing" MGS4s lengthy cut scenes and self indulgent dialogue are all 360 owners who hate everything Sony, which is utter nonsense.
The discussion here is about whether 90 minutes of cut scenes will add value to the game or not, and the jury is still out on that one, since none of us have played it yet.
I chose a poor way to make my point, kinda like taking a s**t in the punch, aw well. Must try harder.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
Unless you can give detailed lectures on every working part of a console, don't bother explaining to people how they work. There's always someone who knows more about it than you know, and they'll relish the chance to make you look stupid.
The main point here should be that this was off topic anyway, plus these arguments have been raging for ages already.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads for what you're discussing, best of luck to you.
As I said I was merely correcting someone else. I would also say that this is a known fact and the rest of the workings of the console (which I have also extensively read up on) are irrelevent in this context. I stand to be corrected but I don't think I will be as it is common knowledge and the tech specs of both bluray and dvd are widely published.
God I hate fanboys................
You hate fanboys? Me too, what did I say to paint myself as one? Oh thats right, NOTHING.
If you do have a hugely extnsive knowledge of every working component of each console I applaud you, and humbly appologise for doubting your knowledge, but you must agree that most people who post tech specs are talking a load of s**t.
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Mate, seriously, look around. We're on a forum. To be a regular on one you have to be either 1.A retard (nasim) 2.A fanboy 3.Anal (me) 4.Bored (me again) 5.A Nerd(yep, and again)
So using that basis, why do any of us post at all? Don't question my motives and I won't question yours.
I seriously don't get the appeal of this game, as others have also posted. Don't read it or don't acknowledge me; to use your argument.
To be honest I think what I said has validity. I just think that posting on a thread about something you don't like is pointless, because it usually results in some fanboy spouting some absolute bulls**t back at you, so why encourage that?
Post all you like, but don't take offence at the replies. I don't, I just dont' understand your motivation, you must really be bored.
I'm not offended by you, you write well and you're not an idiot. That much is obvious. However, if we were all to just respond to the news: 'I love MGS, blah blah blah' then what would also be the point in that? I think deep down, the fact that I'm so negative about something you love bothers you. The point of forums is to have a discussion on the pros and cons, and to articulate why you like, dislike something.
However, to be fair it never gets past the fanboy rantings....it's gotten so bad that the first few posts on any given topic preempts them. The thread never really has a chance.
I respect the fact that you like MGS and are looking forward to the 4th iteration. But allow me the space to voice my vitriol; not at you, but at a series of games I can't abide by.
Just for a final effort to draaaaag the forum back on topic...
I still believe that besides the trolls, fanboys and nutters on here, it's fair to disagree with something. Otherwise, all these threads would be gush fests. I like my games to be games and can see no reason for 90 minute cut-scenes.
That's it. I'm not slating the entire MGS series, bad-mouthing a console or having a pop at anyone who disgrees, I'm stating an opinion and what I consider is a valid reason for it.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
Unless you can give detailed lectures on every working part of a console, don't bother explaining to people how they work. There's always someone who knows more about it than you know, and they'll relish the chance to make you look stupid.
The main point here should be that this was off topic anyway, plus these arguments have been raging for ages already.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads for what you're discussing, best of luck to you.
As I said I was merely correcting someone else. I would also say that this is a known fact and the rest of the workings of the console (which I have also extensively read up on) are irrelevent in this context. I stand to be corrected but I don't think I will be as it is common knowledge and the tech specs of both bluray and dvd are widely published.
God I hate fanboys................
You hate fanboys? Me too, what did I say to paint myself as one? Oh thats right, NOTHING.
If you do have a hugely extnsive knowledge of every working component of each console I applaud you, and humbly appologise for doubting your knowledge, but you must agree that most people who post tech specs are talking a load of s**t.
It is not what you have said but the way you have gone about saying it. I apoligise if you are in fact not a fanboy. I agree that a lot of people that post specs arguments are talking out of their bottom but I do research before I post anything and with all the arguments about whose console is better I have done a lot of research into the PS3 and 360 just to satisfy my own curiosity. I do not know everything about either of them (and I would imagine that there are only a select few on this planet that do) but I now know enough to know the truth about them both (ie They both lie about their real world specs but it seems that Sony are the ones that are doing the most fabrication of the truth). At then end of the day though I love games and at this moment in time there are hardly any games that are tempting me to get a PS3 and I am gutted that MGS4 has turned out to be another film instead of the genius game that MGS1 was. If it had gone back to it's roots I would have got a PS3 just to play it!
Just for a final effort to draaaaag the forum back on topic...
I still believe that besides the trolls, fanboys and nutters on here, it's fair to disagree with something. Otherwise, all these threads would be gush fests. I like my games to be games and can see no reason for 90 minute cut-scenes.
That's it. I'm not slating the entire MGS series, bad-mouthing a console or having a pop at anyone who disgrees, I'm stating an opinion and what I consider is a valid reason for it.
I'm not sure i can think of a game that polorises opinion more than MGS.
Personally I don't think it's neccessary for the huge lengthy cut-scenes to tell an effective story, even one as complicated & convuluted as MGS, i think that it's a good thing that games like MGS exists. It offers a unique experience that obviously appeals & surely that's all we really want for games? And what else did we expect? This is what Kojima produces
I'm not sure i can think of a game that polorises opinion more than MGS.
Personally I don't think it's neccessary for the huge lengthy cut-scenes to tell an effective story, even one as complicated & convuluted as MGS, i think that it's a good thing that games like MGS exists. It offers a unique experience that obviously appeals & surely that's all we really want for games? And what else did we expect? This is what Kojima produces
And that's exactly the point, the trouble is that these threads get real bitchy, real quick. We should be working out why it has that marmite effect, and whether the series is actually a game or not?
I'm not sure i can think of a game that polorises opinion more than MGS.
Personally I don't think it's neccessary for the huge lengthy cut-scenes to tell an effective story, even one as complicated & convuluted as MGS, i think that it's a good thing that games like MGS exists. It offers a unique experience that obviously appeals & surely that's all we really want for games? And what else did we expect? This is what Kojima produces
Absolutely spot on - well done that man!
Is anyone actually surprised by this news? - anyone that pre-ordered the game that's thinking about cancelling?....I doubt it
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Mate, seriously, look around. We're on a forum. To be a regular on one you have to be either 1.A retard (nasim) 2.A fanboy 3.Anal (me) 4.Bored (me again) 5.A Nerd(yep, and again)
So using that basis, why do any of us post at all? Don't question my motives and I won't question yours.
I seriously don't get the appeal of this game, as others have also posted. Don't read it or don't acknowledge me; to use your argument.
To be honest I think what I said has validity. I just think that posting on a thread about something you don't like is pointless, because it usually results in some fanboy spouting some absolute bulls**t back at you, so why encourage that?
Post all you like, but don't take offence at the replies. I don't, I just dont' understand your motivation, you must really be bored.
I'm not offended by you, you write well and you're not an idiot. That much is obvious. However, if we were all to just respond to the news: 'I love MGS, blah blah blah' then what would also be the point in that? I think deep down, the fact that I'm so negative about something you love bothers you. The point of forums is to have a discussion on the pros and cons, and to articulate why you like, dislike something.
However, to be fair it never gets past the fanboy rantings....it's gotten so bad that the first few posts on any given topic preempts them. The thread never really has a chance.
I respect the fact that you like MGS and are looking forward to the 4th iteration. But allow me the space to voice my vitriol; not at you, but at a series of games I can't abide by.
Ok, point taken. We'll agree to disagree. It's never anything personal anyway, at least our argument didn't plumb the depths of fanboyism.
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
all x360 games are on DVD 9 which runs slower than a SINGLE LAYER/DUAL LAYERED Blu ray disc.
install is better than changings discs frequently eg Blue Dragon was on 3 discs
Lost odyssey was on 4 DVD discs
days of backdated DVD is gone. It is time for BLU ray.
GTA4 was gimped too because of that slower DVD drive with lack of space
Wrong. To be faster than the 12*speed DVD drive in the 360 the PS3 bluray drive would need to be 4*speed instead of the 2*speed it is.
Oh look, semi researched tech b******s. I'm off to trade in the console I have for the rival one right now! Or perhaps not.
You are an idiot! I was merely correcting a previous post. If you have any evidence (unlikely as I am pretty sure what I say is correct) to prove that the 2*speed bluray drive is quicker than a 12*speed dvd drive then please feel free to post it. It is not "semi-researched tech b******s" as you so eloquently put it. It is a fact! It is also the reason that some PS3 games have installs in order to speed the data loads up.
Unless you can give detailed lectures on every working part of a console, don't bother explaining to people how they work. There's always someone who knows more about it than you know, and they'll relish the chance to make you look stupid.
The main point here should be that this was off topic anyway, plus these arguments have been raging for ages already.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads for what you're discussing, best of luck to you.
As I said I was merely correcting someone else. I would also say that this is a known fact and the rest of the workings of the console (which I have also extensively read up on) are irrelevent in this context. I stand to be corrected but I don't think I will be as it is common knowledge and the tech specs of both bluray and dvd are widely published.
God I hate fanboys................
You hate fanboys? Me too, what did I say to paint myself as one? Oh thats right, NOTHING.
If you do have a hugely extnsive knowledge of every working component of each console I applaud you, and humbly appologise for doubting your knowledge, but you must agree that most people who post tech specs are talking a load of s**t.
It is not what you have said but the way you have gone about saying it. I apoligise if you are in fact not a fanboy. I agree that a lot of people that post specs arguments are talking out of their bottom but I do research before I post anything and with all the arguments about whose console is better I have done a lot of research into the PS3 and 360 just to satisfy my own curiosity. I do not know everything about either of them (and I would imagine that there are only a select few on this planet that do) but I now know enough to know the truth about them both (ie They both lie about their real world specs but it seems that Sony are the ones that are doing the most fabrication of the truth). At then end of the day though I love games and at this moment in time there are hardly any games that are tempting me to get a PS3 and I am gutted that MGS4 has turned out to be another film instead of the genius game that MGS1 was. If it had gone back to it's roots I would have got a PS3 just to play it!
Ok, I think we understand each other. It's good to argue with someone who can back themselves up properly, and again I must apologise for jumping to conclsuions.
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
I love console/computer games. Personally though, I wouldn't be happy to sit through 90 minutes of animated cut scenes, even if was my favourite game series.
I can't actually believe it's true to be honest. Can anyone actually confirm that this is the case ?
I completely understand that some people love the MGS series, but the arguements here seem to be that people need some answers and want to find out how it all ties up. No one's yet said they're excited about what the game might actually play like.
I 'get it' that some people will defend something they love regardless, but surely some MGS fans out there have gotta be thinking to themselves 'Man, I wanna play a game not an interactive movie'.
Are there any MGS fans here who're actually a bit dissapointed with this news (should it turn out to be true) ?
90 minute cutscenes were to be expected. Especially since they're tying up the most complex videogame story ever. What did you expect?
Konami have repeatedly stated that this is a game for fans of the series, and as a fan of MGS I personally can't wait for this.
Anyone coming on here to have a cheap pop at MGS for being long winded may as well be p**sing in the wind. Do these people really think that all the MGS fans out there who can't wait for this game are going to say; "Oh hang on, this blokes right, I should get a 360 with a copy of Halo 3 instead, whatever was I thinking?".
I think it's more through exasperation. MGS should never be touted as a system seller for the undisputable fact that it polarises too many people.
Whether I had a PS3 or an Xbox I just think MGS is one of the most pretentious things I've ever witnessed. A game is a game, a film is a film. MGS is just a clumsy mish mash, with one hell of a complex about it's own importance.
Ok, I could argue with you about how wrong I think you are, but I'll settle for telling to simply not buy the bloody game and stop wasting your time posting about it. FPS's don't appeal to me, but I don't post about how tired and predictable that genre has become.
Well done, you think I'm wrong.... I'm merely presenting an argument against, to show you why not everyone loves MGS. You're entitled to love it as much as you want. I'll address any forum I choose, thank you very much. It's about giving an opinion, is it not.
It's all about giving an opinion, However... When your opinion is along the lines of "I don't really like this" as opposed to say, "Here's some real evidence that this isn't all it's meant to be", then I feel obligated to ask, why the f**k would you waste your time saying that? If you don't like it why waste your time saying so?
Mate, seriously, look around. We're on a forum. To be a regular on one you have to be either 1.A retard (nasim) 2.A fanboy 3.Anal (me) 4.Bored (me again) 5.A Nerd(yep, and again)
So using that basis, why do any of us post at all? Don't question my motives and I won't question yours.
I seriously don't get the appeal of this game, as others have also posted. Don't read it or don't acknowledge me; to use your argument.
To be honest I think what I said has validity. I just think that posting on a thread about something you don't like is pointless, because it usually results in some fanboy spouting some absolute bulls**t back at you, so why encourage that?
Post all you like, but don't take offence at the replies. I don't, I just dont' understand your motivation, you must really be bored.
I'm not offended by you, you write well and you're not an idiot. That much is obvious. However, if we were all to just respond to the news: 'I love MGS, blah blah blah' then what would also be the point in that? I think deep down, the fact that I'm so negative about something you love bothers you. The point of forums is to have a discussion on the pros and cons, and to articulate why you like, dislike something.
However, to be fair it never gets past the fanboy rantings....it's gotten so bad that the first few posts on any given topic preempts them. The thread never really has a chance.
I respect the fact that you like MGS and are looking forward to the 4th iteration. But allow me the space to voice my vitriol; not at you, but at a series of games I can't abide by.
Ok, point taken. We'll agree to disagree. It's never anything personal anyway, at least our argument didn't plumb the depths of fanboyism.
Really long quote box: good one, old bean. I take my hat off to you.
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
To be fair, I am a complete technotard.... and it looks pretty cool.
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
To be fair, I am a complete technotard.... and it looks pretty cool.
No it doesn't it looks retarded.
Just highlight it and press delete. Really hard isnt it?
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
To be fair, I am a complete technotard.... and it looks pretty cool.
No it doesn't it looks retarded.
Just highlight it and press delete. Really hard isnt it?
No need to be so abusive, you ignorant f**k. Just scroll down further is that really so hard?
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
Errrm no because the 360 has been out 16 months longer.
x360 is the least selling console in the world. There are 15 million ps3s worldwide just 3.5m behind 18.5 m x360s
Surely that would suggest that the PS3 is the least selling console in the world? After all, as you pointed out, the 360 has sold 3.5m or 4m more than the PS3...
Errrm no because the 360 has been out 16 months longer.
What does that have to do with what they were discussing. Nasim (AKA snooker cue) stated that the 360 was the lowest selling console in the world and then posted sales figures that shot him in the foot...basically cos he's a snooker cue & also obviously slightly dumb. Where does timing come into that?
No need to be so abusive, you ignorant f**k. Just scroll down further is that really so hard?
yes there is because its stupid. This is a very interesting disscussion i enjoyed reading. Your disscusion was also interesting but i dont wanna have to read it over and over again everytime you make a f'ing post and i dont see why we should have to scroll half a f'ing page just because your a selfish little turd
Love it! That's why I love the MGS series, play some, chill watch cinematic part, play more. It's the perfect combo of game & narrative. How many mins of cutscenes in GTAIV or COD4? Not as much but they are still there. And like CVG says you can skip if you want to. And how many hours do you spend reading or listening to quests givers in games like WoW or Oblivion?
Hi! First post on this site - some angry people on here!
Personally, I think that anybody approaching the auteur-like role that Kojima now resides in is allowed a little eccentricity in their choice of cutscene.
As a huge fan of Ghost in the Shell, Gantz and other Japanese stories that do not rely on the standarised american narrative format that we are used to in both games and films, this may be a blessing or a curse on the game once its released. However, the complexity of the narrative and the depth of character and scenario in MGS4 deserves the tale to be told to its fullest - after all this is it for Snake...
this is difficult topic...i was weighting up, if it was worth buying a PS3 for metal gear solid. I was alittle bit concerned having seen some rather clumsy looking videos of ingame combat. The news of very very very long cut scenes concerns me more.
I games turning into films is a terrible idea.
can you honnestly say that watching a MGS cutscene you were moved by the acting or thought the lanaguage was lush and colourfull.
I hate to say it but games have moved on , storys are told though gameplay. not a movie halfway though a 1hr sneaking section. I would even go so far as to say this is alazy option!
Let films be films and games be interative experiences ....
ps. I read to mean that one cutscene was 90mins as a max. and the others would be smaller. totally 9ish hours
It's a shame that so many will miss this as they would have given up on this thread long ago.
Foxhound, you've pretty much summed up the average day day on this site.
It is getting worse and worse, isnt it?
The problem isn't coming from 'X-bots', the arguing is coming from the PS3 owners defending MGS4 and not whether Halo 5 or Bioshock 2 has twin turbos. The vast majority of discussion in here is regarding the length of the cutscenes and whether it adds or detracts from the game. But....as usual, the PS3 defence force are having tantrums.
And no, I don't own a 360, and no, MGS4 does not appeal to me (although MGS2 was great, the cutscenes quickly got boring). There are better films out there for a quarter of the price.
The cutscenes were the very thing that completely put me off MGS3. There was easily a solid half hour of intro, and then when you finally took control and walked forward about 4 steps, the colonel called for another 10 minute conversation. He then calls again every couple of screens... it's ridiculous. I'm trying to play a game, not watch a movie.
I'll wait for the reviews, but honestly it's not looking good. I don't want MGS4 if I'm going to be spending more time watching it than playing it. Money better spent on a couple of Blu-Rays methinks, like... you know, actual films.
I hate cutscenes-something has to be really interesting for me to watch. Though i don't see why people are complaining really if you get to skip them. Wish you could fast forward them too though
I'll give them a watch though, if interesting i'll watch, if not i'll get on with the killing.
I wouldn't mind cutscenes if they were spcaed out too, i don't want a 90 minute cutscene, 5 minutes of game, then a 10 minute cutscene.
Look people, I went to a lot of trouble to try and get this thread back on topic and away from fanboy squabbles (even to the extent that I put a good "squirrel" joke in there!) - can we drop it now, pleeeeaaasssee!
Nasim is here - its a lost cause. If you want a nice discussion, you'd be better off going somewhere else to be honest
hey TARD get back to ur XBOTTTISH forums
Oh i guess no one is there.
SInce everyone knows it is over for MS and x360 in console war
Bioshock --the only game on X360 is now on PS3 (the better version with updated graphics and less loading times)
Mass effect --coming to PS3 too ( will be announced in June)
what remains for flop box 360???
Halo3 at 640P
I can play deluded fanboy, too.
Final Fantsy 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 will all be announced as 360 exclusives tomorrow morning.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to crash every PS3 it's played on when you press start.
Little Big Planet will feature graphic sex acts between nasim and a gigantic spikey dildo.
The cutscenes are what immerses you into the game, and the cutscenes in metal Gear have been on par with Hollywood action thrillers, I am all for this defo.
Let's not forget they give you an option of pausing the cutscenes and skipping if you need to, so added bonuses for those that are not happy, and it is 90 minutes of TOTAL cutscenes throughout a 30 hour game Soo all good
Mr Xbob, I knew from the start you were some little girl 360 fanboy, I bet you make love to your 360 don't you? Dressed up as Master chief? You are a sick individual
We need a name to match that, because really - its so unique and original and extremely cleverly used.
Lets see... how about PS3t**tFACEDc**kSUCKINGBASTARDISEDWANKTIT?
Yeah. Has a nice ring to it Grow the hell up.
I dont want to start an argument here, but your telling nasim to grow up for calling you an XBOT, but dont you think calling him a PS3t**tFACED...blah blah blah makes you a bit of a childesh t**t yourself.
Please don't start this again. We've already got pages of Gumpf, let's leave it at that.
Post a comment regarding how you feel about cut-scenes of this length. Do they add or subtract to the experience in your opinion? If your a MGS fan i'd guess you love them but then would you tolerate other games with cut-scenes that long? Anything really but more gumpf, it's getting hard to actually filter though here and find a relevant discussion!
LADIES! Why are we still talking about this! As I have said before this 90min cut scene is total crap. f*ck this you fanboys can carry on I am off to the retro forum
im a hardcore MG fanboy i have to say ^_^ 90 min cut scenes are both good and bad. i know, fact, that i will love the scenes but i do hope a save feture is in place during them, it must have becuase kojima-san cant be that bloody mental!! i cant wait for this tho, one of the main reasons i got my ps3 as i love the MGS saga, every bit of it. oh and MS2 was the best (till now hopfully) and the ending was great, some people just didnt get the ending even i hade two talk about it woith friends for months after, a good thing. MGS games give you your moneys worth and more as the experience will stay with you forever, even if you hatede it you cant forget it lol! im not saying 90 mins is a great idea, i just recon it will be worth it (first time at least haha) i hope you al get a copy and enjoy this momentus ocastion for all true Metal Gear Solid fans who are ready to see this story through to the end! ^_^
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
To be fair, I am a complete technotard.... and it looks pretty cool.
No it doesn't it looks retarded.
Just highlight it and press delete. Really hard isnt it?
No need to be so abusive, you ignorant f**k. Just scroll down further is that really so hard?
I'm sensing the group hug may be slipping away again...
Where the f**k are the admins and mods around this place?
Is the the usual standard of discussion around these parts, with retards like this Nasim spouting his fantasy bulls**t, and people not having the decency to just ignore him?
Can I just come in and say whatever the hell I want with no fear of being banned?
Back on topic, 90-minute cutscenes? I at least hope they give us the ability to save every 15 minutes.
90 minutes that sneak up on you without warning, and that can't easily interrupt, are the sort of crap that you actually have to start planning your life to accommodate, rather than the usual habit of just sitting down and playing when I feel like it.
It'll pretty much eliminate the holy concept of "Just five more minutes" that the best games historically have by the bucketload.
I'm a long time veteran of the Metal Gear series, and while I loved the first four titles, I've still never managed to finish MGS3 due to the ridiculous stoppages in gameplay that regularly occur.
God good, this was a hard thread to read through...
Ok, so the first point is this comment "has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark."
It seems this can be interpretted one of two ways - either the TOTAL LENGTH of cut scenes is somewhere near the 90 minute mark OR some of the cut scenes approach the 90 minute mark (the total time being somewhere around the 9 hour mark). That is a hell of a lot. In fact, if the 20 hours of gameplay thing is to be believed, that's one third of the game is cinematics.
Assuming the latter is correct, the question being asked now is 'is this a good or bad thing'? Is watching a 90 minute cinematic in a very cinematic game more immersive than, say, having the gameplay drag you into the story instead (ala Bioshock, for example). It's a tough one to answer, though I suspect it would take a certain type of person to sit through all of them.
I for one certainly wouldn't. I normally hate skipping cinematics, as others have said, you miss out on the story, but if you have an hour or two play time, the last thing you want is to have the majority of that occupied with just watching and no playing.
As previous posters have said, this will be a 'marmite' situation - some will love it, others will hate it.
After reading through most comments here (which were rather amusing to say the least), I feel that there is a lack of comments on the actual game. The only thing I see here is bashing of hardware, unrelated to the topic at hand.
Anyways, to give my opinion, which actually has to do with the game;
WHAT the HELL is wrong with this industry?
Why is there even a need for 90 minutes cutscenes? It is just a cheap way of producing killer graphics and was already outdated by the past generation. There are tons of ways to making a game more interactive, especially if you take the processing powers of the PS3 into account. Why resort to something as easy as cutscenes? They forcefully rip you out of the game, forcing you to watch an otherwise uninteractive piece of graphics. Yes, uninteractive, the polar opposite of interactive, which a game is. Cutscenes actually degrade the very concept of a game. We have movies for that!
If he wanted to convey the story so badly that he had to use cutscenes to get it done, why not just release the game in the form of a movie? The business model of a movie is more profitable than that of a game anyways. What the hell has happened to the whole concept known as a "game"? You know, that piece of software you used to "play"? Instead of watch?
Yes, I played Metal Gear Solid before, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. This is quite something, for someone who does not even like these games that much. I actually started with Metal Gear Solid 2, when I borrowed it from a friend. Only afterwards I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and as one of the (most probably) few who did, I must be honest in saying that part 1 was the superior one of the two, by far. Part 4 seemed interesting, until this announcement. Any chance of me buying a PS3 in the future has now been delayed (possibly indefinitely).
This is one of the (major) reasons why I dislike the current way the industry is headed. I want games back; I do not want more movies.
But it still doesn't compensate for everyone ignoring my squirrel joke!
Sorry dude, I did smile at it, but it's just not as good as the "A man went to a zoo and when he got there, was appalled to find that it contained just one animal - a dog.
But it still doesn't compensate for everyone ignoring my squirrel joke!
Sorry dude, I did smile at it, but it's just not as good as the "A man went to a zoo and when he got there, was appalled to find that it containted just one animal - a dog.
Thank the lord you can skip them this time around, i will be getting the game this means, if i had even tried playing it where you cant skip the cutscenes i think it would have drove me round the bend and gone on a gun massacre spree round town.... truly awful the cutscenes are, couldnt care how good the fmv's are, if an animated film has a weak moralistic jap story then it is just a weak moralistic jap story.....
But it still doesn't compensate for everyone ignoring my squirrel joke!
Sorry dude, I did smile at it, but it's just not as good as the "A man went to a zoo and when he got there, was appalled to find that it containted just one animal - a dog.
After reading through most comments here (which were rather amusing to say the least), I feel that there is a lack of comments on the actual game. The only thing I see here is bashing of hardware, unrelated to the topic at hand.
Anyways, to give my opinion, which actually has to do with the game;
WHAT the HELL is wrong with this industry?
Why is there even a need for 90 minutes cutscenes? It is just a cheap way of producing killer graphics and was already outdated by the past generation. There are tons of ways to making a game more interactive, especially if you take the processing powers of the PS3 into account. Why resort to something as easy as cutscenes? They forcefully rip you out of the game, forcing you to watch an otherwise uninteractive piece of graphics. Yes, uninteractive, the polar opposite of interactive, which a game is. Cutscenes actually degrade the very concept of a game. We have movies for that!
If he wanted to convey the story so badly that he had to use cutscenes to get it done, why not just release the game in the form of a movie? The business model of a movie is more profitable than that of a game anyways. What the hell has happened to the whole concept known as a "game"? You know, that piece of software you used to "play"? Instead of watch?
Yes, I played Metal Gear Solid before, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. This is quite something, for someone who does not even like these games that much. I actually started with Metal Gear Solid 2, when I borrowed it from a friend. Only afterwards I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and as one of the (most probably) few who did, I must be honest in saying that part 1 was the superior one of the two, by far. Part 4 seemed interesting, until this announcement. Any chance of me buying a PS3 in the future has now been delayed (possibly indefinitely).
This is one of the (major) reasons why I dislike the current way the industry is headed. I want games back; I do not want more movies.
What the f*ck is your problem buddy? Why go in to a long diatribe about the problems in the industry about MGS4? If you don't like the game f*ck off and don't play it. You'd think after 200+ posts your futile point would already have been aired, so there is no need for your f*cking stupid opinion.
Personally I love the series, and I will relish 90 minutes of my favourite series, so stuff that up yer pipe!
Well said cridia, I too found the inane cutscenes irritating to say the least. The 1st MGS was quite good, but the 2nd (and I've said it before) is on my list of 'biggest load of hyped up rubbish'- and I played and completed it twice! The second time was to see if I could try and understand the hype... oh, and I picked it up for Ł5.
If this 90 minute thing is true- then I think it's not only utterly ridiculous- but it also demonstrates the serious lack of gaming talent Kojima really has. Yes, you can skip them (well done for that massive leap in gaming), but if these cut scenes take up a 3rd of the game, then not only are you not getting your moneys worth, but none of the story will make sense... not that it made that much sense to begin with. I'll reserve judgement on the actual game however- probably won't be my cup of tea- could never get into the silly, japanese-y campness of it all, but what the hell- it'll keep the fans happy. And hopefully the utter morons like that Nasim will be too busy pumping their fist over these lengthy cutscenes to have time to fill these forums with s**te.
After reading through most comments here (which were rather amusing to say the least), I feel that there is a lack of comments on the actual game. The only thing I see here is bashing of hardware, unrelated to the topic at hand.
Anyways, to give my opinion, which actually has to do with the game;
WHAT the HELL is wrong with this industry?
Why is there even a need for 90 minutes cutscenes? It is just a cheap way of producing killer graphics and was already outdated by the past generation. There are tons of ways to making a game more interactive, especially if you take the processing powers of the PS3 into account. Why resort to something as easy as cutscenes? They forcefully rip you out of the game, forcing you to watch an otherwise uninteractive piece of graphics. Yes, uninteractive, the polar opposite of interactive, which a game is. Cutscenes actually degrade the very concept of a game. We have movies for that!
If he wanted to convey the story so badly that he had to use cutscenes to get it done, why not just release the game in the form of a movie? The business model of a movie is more profitable than that of a game anyways. What the hell has happened to the whole concept known as a "game"? You know, that piece of software you used to "play"? Instead of watch?
Yes, I played Metal Gear Solid before, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. This is quite something, for someone who does not even like these games that much. I actually started with Metal Gear Solid 2, when I borrowed it from a friend. Only afterwards I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and as one of the (most probably) few who did, I must be honest in saying that part 1 was the superior one of the two, by far. Part 4 seemed interesting, until this announcement. Any chance of me buying a PS3 in the future has now been delayed (possibly indefinitely).
This is one of the (major) reasons why I dislike the current way the industry is headed. I want games back; I do not want more movies.
What the f*ck is your problem buddy? Why go in to a long diatribe about the problems in the industry about MGS4? If you don't like the game f*ck off and don't play it. You'd think after 200+ posts your futile point would already have been aired, so there is no need for your f*cking stupid opinion.
Personally I love the series, and I will relish 90 minutes of my favourite series, so stuff that up yer pipe!
To suivaloom: Whilst I accept that you (and many others) will enjoy 90 minute cut-scenes, I translated the more obtuse elements of your comment as something along the lines of:
"I love PS3 and I love MGS4, so anyone who says otherwise is not my friend and my dad's harder than theirs too. So nergh!"
Why don't you throw your rattle back in your pram and stop being so agressive towards someone who at least has the capacity to form an objective statement on why he thinks cut-scenes are a dying technique in plot-driven gaming.
I for one would much rather read 200 intelligent comments like his than even a single comment like yours, because whilst your approval of cut-scenes is perfectly valid, your flaming is totally unnecessary.
Well, I don't know what kind of flame war has gone on behind me, so I apologise if all of these comments have been said.
What a flipping stupid choice to make. How could they be so stupid? 90 minute cut-scenes? This means that when I'm playing the game, in order to have a clue on what is already going to be the most confusing weird plot in history, I have to watch full feature length cut scenes with the Colonel's voice droning on?
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I'm seriously considering leaving this game for the bargain bin ravage.
To suivaloom: Whilst I accept that you (and many others) will enjoy 90 minute cut-scenes, I translated the more obtuse elements of your comment as something along the lines of:
"I love PS3 and I love MGS4, so anyone who says otherwise is not my friend and my dad's harder than theirs too. So nergh!"
Why don't you throw your rattle back in your pram and stop being so agressive towards someone who at least has the capacity to form an objective statement on why he thinks cut-scenes are a dying technique in plot-driven gaming.
I for one would much rather read 200 intelligent comments like his than even a single comment like yours, because whilst your approval of cut-scenes is perfectly valid, your flaming is totally unnecessary.
Good points Mappman, Cridia has hit the nail on the head.
Why they just couldn't release the game on one disc (with short cutscenes when relevant) and the film version on another is beyond me, that way everyone would have been happy.
Why do you feel the need to quote every bit of the posts? Please delete the parts that have no referance to you statements. Its not difficult unless your a complete retard
To be fair, I am a complete technotard.... and it looks pretty cool.
No it doesn't it looks retarded.
Just highlight it and press delete. Really hard isnt it?
I'm willing to give it another try
No need to be so abusive, you ignorant f**k. Just scroll down further is that really so hard?
I'm sensing the group hug may be slipping away again...
WFT! I have never sat though as cut scene over 5minutes! i have no idea that there were games with scenes so long! I mean come on, thats not a game its a film.
This is getting silly. If you don't like a game because it has lots of cutscenes don't f****** by it and then if the sales are s**te the developer will learn next time. Let your wallets do the voting! Personally I reckon MGS will shift loads cos people who buy it know the story is integral to the game. There's so much choice for gamers we should be happy! Don't want to spend your mulla on MGS, go get GRID, don't like GRID go Wii Fit, don't like Wii Fit go get Halo 3, don't like Halo 3 go to a strip bar and check out the booty Win win win! (Don't worry lads if you're under 18 - well worth the wait!!! Better than gaming!)
Its not 90mins all together. There are around 8-9 hours of cutscenes. In total, the game takes around 30 hours to beat.
Seriously? 8-9 hours of cut scenes? I thought 90 minutes in total was what they actually meant to say, 90 minutes for one cut scene is just crazy crazy stuff!? I'm actually compelled to get a PS3 and try the game just to see why they needed so much non interactivity!? It's no wonder the "game" took so long to make since highly polished aniamtions (of which they will be I am in no doubt) take a lot of time to create and render. What I want to know is if you decide oh I fancy a quick go on MGS4 for 30mins, you'll be able to sit and actually play the game, or will you have to watch a 30min cut scene just to understand what to do!?
I think many people will find it hard to follow such a lengthy plot, lets hope the acting is better than in MGS2, otherwise it'll be like watching paint dry.
What the f*ck is your problem buddy? Why go in to a long diatribe about the problems in the industry about MGS4? If you don't like the game f*ck off and don't play it. You'd think after 200+ posts your futile point would already have been aired, so there is no need for your f*cking stupid opinion.
Personally I love the series, and I will relish 90 minutes of my favourite series, so stuff that up yer pipe!
To suivaloom: Whilst I accept that you (and many others) will enjoy 90 minute cut-scenes, I translated the more obtuse elements of your comment as something along the lines of:
"I love PS3 and I love MGS4, so anyone who says otherwise is not my friend and my dad's harder than theirs too. So nergh!"
Why don't you throw your rattle back in your pram and stop being so agressive towards someone who at least has the capacity to form an objective statement on why he thinks cut-scenes are a dying technique in plot-driven gaming.
I for one would much rather read 200 intelligent comments like his than even a single comment like yours, because whilst your approval of cut-scenes is perfectly valid, your flaming is totally unnecessary.
I must admit I was quite underwhelmed with the screenshots of MGS4 from the other day. Coupled with the news it's going to a cut-scene yawn fest, I'm pretty disappointed. MGS 1 was superb. Just a shame they fell up their own bottoms making most of the sequels.
I'm sorry, but I don't think MGS4 can even be classed as a game any more. It's just an interactive movie. For those of you sad enough to sit through an hour and a half of cutscenes before playing a 20 second section then sitting through perhaps another 20 minute cutscene, you need to get yourselfs sorted out.
Games need to move away from this movie mentality. A game is a game, not a movie. It's supposed to be interactive, "active" being the prodominant section of the word. I'll be glad when I'm playing Fable 2 with its short 90 second cutscene and total gameplay afterwards.
If they are so desperate, why not just make a blockbuster MGS movie and have done with that?
More the merrier I say I enjoy watching them. hope once I complete it there is an option to play them all back to back like a movie. It will be breathtaking thats for sure don't know what the fuss is about. I think some people are just too keen on attacking ps3's biggest game but I'm not letting such low lifes get the benefit. Its going to rock ladies and there is nothing you can do about it but complain and say rude words about it
Yet another overrated boring MGS game by the sounds of it.
Overrated like Halo and GoW, or overrated like Schindler's List?
Like Halo of course. Just not as bad.
Well, even Halo is overrated for a reason. To each his own after all right?
As for me, 12th June can't come soon enough, though I really hope they'll tone down the codec convos, otherwise, I don't mind sitting through a 90 minute of non-codec-cutscene sexiness Bring it on!
See, now I have a problem. I love the Metal Gear games, but I do take issue with the stories.
At the very best of times, a 90 minute cut-scene would be competely unacceptable, but if it's going to be a 90-minute cut-scene with the same quality of storytelling as MGS2, then they can stick it right where the sun doesn't shine.
When I sit down for a gaming session, and bear in mind that I rarely sit and play games for any longer than 60 minutes in one session anymore, that last thing I want to be confronted with is 60 minutes of Kojima-quality senseless waffling about some wank that doesn't make any sense, and then have to be punished with either another 30 minutes of wasted time before I can save it, or re-watching the last 60 minutes when I can find the time.
In an ideal world, the people who really like the idea of this sort of thing would buy the game and be happy, the people who didn't like it wouldn't, MGS 4 would bomb, and nobody would ever try and hoist this kind of insanity on the gaming world ever again.
Sadly, with all the hype surrounding this game, and all those game-starved PS3 owners ready to shell out on the next big title, this thing will probably shell bucketloads, (Most copies of which will be left uncompleted) and Kojima will think to himself "Ahhh, what a great success. Next time I will give them three hour cut-scenes!" (And he will be back for MGS5, no matter what he's claiming at the moment.)
More the merrier I say I enjoy watching them. hope once I complete it there is an option to play them all back to back like a movie. It will be breathtaking thats for sure don't know what the fuss is about. I think some people are just too keen on attacking ps3's biggest game but I'm not letting such low lifes get the benefit. Its going to rock ladies and there is nothing you can do about it but complain and say rude words about it
cant wait, the game is an epic send off to the solid snake story. all the previews and hands on write ups have been higly positive, looks higly unlikely that the game will score lower than a 9. roll on june 12th
JESUS! That's insane, even for them! But clearly it's gonna be heavily plot driven which is great. As long as you can pause (and skip if it's you preference) then it doesn't bother me.
Wow, a simply staggering 9 hours of cut scenes, another 9 hours of boring over long dull cut scenes that are trying to be a hollywood blockbuster, but dont come close to the even the worse films hollywood has to offer, i think kojima should have been a tv director, afterall, his games seem devoid of gameplay, i quite enjoyed MGS 1 when i played, heck the cut scenes didnt bother me, they were short and at the time stunning to look at, MGS2 annoyed the crap out of, the game was pish compared to the cut scenes they showed, still stuck with a crap overhead view, limited ai guards, having to switch to shoot right, and by god the cut scenes that didnt make any sense at all, followed by the hours of talking into your watch with a badly animated face looking at you.
Didnt play snake eater, no intention of playing MGS4 the movie either.
How long is the actual gameplay (if you can call it that!) 8 hours, with 12 hours of codec, 9 hours of scenes, that makes up 29 to clock the game.
Dont about you people but when i buy a game, i actually like to play it, and not watch it. I fully expect rabid MGS fanboys to lay into my post here, but you know what, mgs2 only sold because of a trailer made people go that looks cool, what they didnt want to admit was the game was devoid of gameplay of note, hence why when after the hype had died down, and people went back to it, it got low marks when it came out on other platforms, people will do the same with this aswell, fall over themselves to praise its film like qualities, while not mentioning the limited 32bit gameplay of the title. If you want stealth gameplay, go play splintercell or thief series on the pc, much better games with better gameplay, not ruined by wanting to be a movie.
Wow, a simply staggering 9 hours of cut scenes, another 9 hours of boring over long dull cut scenes that are trying to be a hollywood blockbuster, but dont come close to the even the worse films hollywood has to offer, i think kojima should have been a tv director, afterall, his games seem devoid of gameplay, i quite enjoyed MGS 1 when i played, heck the cut scenes didnt bother me, they were short and at the time stunning to look at, MGS2 annoyed the crap out of, the game was pish compared to the cut scenes they showed, still stuck with a crap overhead view, limited ai guards, having to switch to shoot right, and by god the cut scenes that didnt make any sense at all, followed by the hours of talking into your watch with a badly animated face looking at you.
Didnt play snake eater, no intention of playing MGS4 the movie either.
How long is the actual gameplay (if you can call it that!) 8 hours, with 12 hours of codec, 9 hours of scenes, that makes up 29 to clock the game.
Dont about you people but when i buy a game, i actually like to play it, and not watch it. I fully expect rabid MGS fanboys to lay into my post here, but you know what, mgs2 only sold because of a trailer made people go that looks cool, what they didnt want to admit was the game was devoid of gameplay of note, hence why when after the hype had died down, and people went back to it, it got low marks when it came out on other platforms, people will do the same with this aswell, fall over themselves to praise its film like qualities, while not mentioning the limited 32bit gameplay of the title. If you want stealth gameplay, go play splintercell or thief series on the pc, much better games with better gameplay, not ruined by wanting to be a movie.
For somebody who knows little about the new game, you have a lot to say. Me, I have only this to say..... .....Quit yo' jibber jabber fool!
Wow, a simply staggering 9 hours of cut scenes, another 9 hours of boring over long dull cut scenes that are trying to be a hollywood blockbuster, but dont come close to the even the worse films hollywood has to offer, i think kojima should have been a tv director, afterall, his games seem devoid of gameplay, i quite enjoyed MGS 1 when i played, heck the cut scenes didnt bother me, they were short and at the time stunning to look at, MGS2 annoyed the crap out of, the game was pish compared to the cut scenes they showed, still stuck with a crap overhead view, limited ai guards, having to switch to shoot right, and by god the cut scenes that didnt make any sense at all, followed by the hours of talking into your watch with a badly animated face looking at you.
Didnt play snake eater, no intention of playing MGS4 the movie either.
How long is the actual gameplay (if you can call it that!) 8 hours, with 12 hours of codec, 9 hours of scenes, that makes up 29 to clock the game.
Dont about you people but when i buy a game, i actually like to play it, and not watch it. I fully expect rabid MGS fanboys to lay into my post here, but you know what, mgs2 only sold because of a trailer made people go that looks cool, what they didnt want to admit was the game was devoid of gameplay of note, hence why when after the hype had died down, and people went back to it, it got low marks when it came out on other platforms, people will do the same with this aswell, fall over themselves to praise its film like qualities, while not mentioning the limited 32bit gameplay of the title. If you want stealth gameplay, go play splintercell or thief series on the pc, much better games with better gameplay, not ruined by wanting to be a movie.
PSM3, OPM and PSW have all played the game start to finish and not a single one of them have moaned as much as people on here who aint even seen the game let alone played it.
In fact in every preview i have read not a single moan about cutscenes. And every single one of them as said they couldn't wait to play the game again.
If you dont like cutscenes being this long then you must not like MGS, end of converstation. So why even come to a thread about a game you dont like?
I cant believe the amount of crap fans will go to defend a game!!! I for one was thinking about this game Now I don't think I will bother it has reminded me why I didn't finish the previous game I got bored.
It's not the length of the cut scenes that bothers me, or the weird/wacky story they tell, it's the way they break up the gameplay all the time, with some popping up only secounds after the last, it's all stop/start/stop/start/stop/start/stop/start etc,etc,etc... ....but at least you can pause 'em now, and go to the loo....
If it's 90 minutes, it's 90 minutes and there's nothing that your complaining can do. If you don't want to watch it just skip it. Ok it's not that hard. Some of you guys seem primed to attack the cutscenes, no one is forcing you to watch them.
I cant believe the amount of crap fans will go to defend a game!!! I for one was thinking about this game Now I don't think I will bother it has reminded me why I didn't finish the previous game I got bored.
How is it any different to any other MGS? apart from there being 2 cutscenes that last 45 mins longer than cutscenes that have appeared in older MGS at least you can pause it now to take a s**t
I cant believe the amount of crap fans will go to defend a game!!! I for one was thinking about this game Now I don't think I will bother it has reminded me why I didn't finish the previous game I got bored.
How is it any different to any other MGS? apart from there being 2 cutscenes that last 45 mins longer than cutscenes that have appeared in older MGS at least you can pause it now to take a s**t
exactly, no real difference from the last 2 games, if you werent a fan of those then you wont like this one. i for one love the metal gear cutscenes, david hayter is awesome. should imagine if this was a joint 360 release there would be alot less hostility
This one game I wish I had a PS3 for. Probably get it once I get round to buying a PS3. The 90 mins cuts scenes probably wouldn't bother me, and the Mrs loved watching MGS3 for the cut scenes.
The truth is despite my reservations about the cut scenes, and my indignation for the completely stupid fanboy rants here from sony fanboys in particular, I am still considering purchasing a PS3 earlier (had planned on 2009), Haze tempted me but its had s**t reviews, but MGS4 will probably be a great experience, and I guess if you're prepared for the marathon cut scenes, you can make sure you have plenty of time when you sit down!
As long as the cutscenes are decent and help enchance the game/plot then I'm all for them, although 90 mins seems like alot... Also, any word on codec convo's as those were real time consumers as well?
I'd much rather watch cutscenes than the codec sections.
P.S. This is my first post, do I need to specify my allegiance to Sony or Microsoft somewhere?
Agreed, the inane codec chatter was always FAR worse than the cutscenes in MGS. Personally, I really enjoyed MGS2 despite it not being a patch on MGS1, which had far more innovative ideas (good old psycomantis!)
The story for MGS2 was guff, no two ways about it, and the ridiculous, preachy cutscene/codec combo that rounded out the game was utterly incomprehensible. I literally have NO IDEA what the punchline was for MGS2, so I was relieved to hear that MGS3 was a prequel. However, while entirely avoiding the MGS2 story arc, MGS3 still pushed the limits of my patience with the codec/cutscene interruptions.
A few cutscenes done well can add tremendously to a game, but 90min of convoluted pseudo-politics from a frustrated film director is not what I pay Ł40 for. Anyone who says "don't watch the cutscenes then" is clearly a berk since you'd miss a good 50% of the story over 90mins. You shouldn't be forced to make that choice. Hopefully, for MGS4 it'll be 90min of nail-biting action in the cutscenes so that you don't even notice the time passing - but I doubt it.
Does this smack of the Tarantino/Kill Bill story to anyone else? Everyone points at the guy and says "what a genius!" and doesn't dare to edit their work, even though that would massively improve things. Kill Bill didn't need to be 2 films, and Kojima doesn't need 90min cutscenes. It's over-indulgent and only please fans of the genre. I think that includes me, but only if the story makes a shred of sense this time...
See, now I have a problem. I love the Metal Gear games, but I do take issue with the stories.
At the very best of times, a 90 minute cut-scene would be competely unacceptable, but if it's going to be a 90-minute cut-scene with the same quality of storytelling as MGS2, then they can stick it right where the sun doesn't shine.
When I sit down for a gaming session, and bear in mind that I rarely sit and play games for any longer than 60 minutes in one session anymore, that last thing I want to be confronted with is 60 minutes of Kojima-quality senseless waffling about some wank that doesn't make any sense, and then have to be punished with either another 30 minutes of wasted time before I can save it, or re-watching the last 60 minutes when I can find the time.
In an ideal world, the people who really like the idea of this sort of thing would buy the game and be happy, the people who didn't like it wouldn't, MGS 4 would bomb, and nobody would ever try and hoist this kind of insanity on the gaming world ever again.
Sadly, with all the hype surrounding this game, and all those game-starved PS3 owners ready to shell out on the next big title, this thing will probably shell bucketloads, (Most copies of which will be left uncompleted) and Kojima will think to himself "Ahhh, what a great success. Next time I will give them three hour cut-scenes!" (And he will be back for MGS5, no matter what he's claiming at the moment.)
There you go again Sunscramble slating the PS3. Youare the biggest M$ fanboy on here and you have revealed your true colours yet again with another attack on the PS3.
The fact is how can you sit on your high horse and slate the game and it's cut-scenes when YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED IT??? So your defammation of the game is rather silly and immature when it is made without any basis whatsoever.
Whats that got to do with anything? Doesn't matter if there is a million of them not a single one comes close to 90mins. Hell do any of them even hit 5mins?
I actaully find this off-putting - a 90 minute cut scene? I thought this was videogames, not film
Miss out on probably the best game ever made then. Have u read anywhere that the cutscenes are a pain in the ass and ruin the game? No. So why let it put you off one of the greatest gaming moments in history. MGS as always been more of an interactive movie than a game and thats why its so good.
Dont worry about all the chimpanzees that only come on here to slag off the PS3 and its games they are never gonna play it so they will just remain ignorant
See, now I have a problem. I love the Metal Gear games, but I do take issue with the stories.
At the very best of times, a 90 minute cut-scene would be competely unacceptable, but if it's going to be a 90-minute cut-scene with the same quality of storytelling as MGS2, then they can stick it right where the sun doesn't shine.
When I sit down for a gaming session, and bear in mind that I rarely sit and play games for any longer than 60 minutes in one session anymore, that last thing I want to be confronted with is 60 minutes of Kojima-quality senseless waffling about some wank that doesn't make any sense, and then have to be punished with either another 30 minutes of wasted time before I can save it, or re-watching the last 60 minutes when I can find the time.
In an ideal world, the people who really like the idea of this sort of thing would buy the game and be happy, the people who didn't like it wouldn't, MGS 4 would bomb, and nobody would ever try and hoist this kind of insanity on the gaming world ever again.
Sadly, with all the hype surrounding this game, and all those game-starved PS3 owners ready to shell out on the next big title, this thing will probably shell bucketloads, (Most copies of which will be left uncompleted) and Kojima will think to himself "Ahhh, what a great success. Next time I will give them three hour cut-scenes!" (And he will be back for MGS5, no matter what he's claiming at the moment.)
There you go again Sunscramble slating the PS3. Youare the biggest M$ fanboy on here and you have revealed your true colours yet again with another attack on the PS3.
The fact is how can you sit on your high horse and slate the game and it's cut-scenes when YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED IT??? So your defammation of the game is rather silly and immature when it is made without any basis whatsoever.
Take those Xbot goggles off ffs man.
I think Sunscramble makes a lot of good points, I dont believe he even has a 360 since he's normally found in the PC Zone forum
Also you state he isn't mature, but you round off your argument by calling him an "xbot", which is basically just giving yourself away as a silly fanboy. I think Sunscrambles post was leagues aboves yours in maturity, and at no time did he slate MGS4, he just raised his personal concerns about the length of the cut scenes.
Final Fantasy games are much the same with some very long cutscenes, most of the ending sequences last 1-2 hours if you include a 5 minute last boss battle, and cutscenes must very easily make up 10 hours.
As long as the cutscenes are quality and not something like you'd find in Dragonball Z (where nothing would happen for about 6 episodes with some green dude screaming and powering up a mega attack while some other dude just watches him going 'omg omg im gonna die') then I won't mind.
Maybe they can have a feature where if you skip a 90minute cutscene it can summarise it in less than 50 words...
It would be quite amusing trying to put this game onto DVDs for the 360, you'd have a seperate disc for each cutscene.
There you go again Sunscramble slating the PS3. Youare the biggest M$ fanboy on here and you have revealed your true colours yet again with another attack on the PS3.
The fact is how can you sit on your high horse and slate the game and it's cut-scenes when YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED IT??? So your defammation of the game is rather silly and immature when it is made without any basis whatsoever.
Take those Xbot goggles off ffs man.
You're such a PS3 fanboy, you see any criticism of the PS3, no matter how light, as a declaration of love of all things Microsoft, even if MS are not mentioned. You imagine Microsoft references where there are none.
Trying to discredit my opinion by accusing me of having a bias of some kind is very weak. Also, as you can see, nobody else around these parts will fall for it.
This is because you are a deluded PS3 fanboy.
You attack me merely because my opinion sounds convincing, perhaps? Oh, and you are a fanboy.
That's how much of a PS3 fanboy you are, you PS3 fanboy loving PS3 fanboy who also also a PS3 fanboy and a son-of-a-PS3 fanboy.
The reason for this is because you are a PS3 fanboy.
So, pray tell, how the f**k did you link me not liking 90-minute cutscenes in my 60 minute gaming sessions have anything to do with Microsoft?
Oh no, you can't tell me. This is yet another one of your attacks on people who have a differing opinion from yourself.
On the other side of the coin, your behaviour shows that you have an irrational emotional investment in the console brand that you use, which instantly invalidates your opinion. Y'know, what with you being a fanboy and all. - Q.E.D. your opinon is worth nothing.
To round it all off, let me requote this passage from earlier in the thread:
After reading through most comments here (which were rather amusing to say the least), I feel that there is a lack of comments on the actual game. The only thing I see here is bashing of hardware, unrelated to the topic at hand.
Anyways, to give my opinion, which actually has to do with the game;
WHAT the HELL is wrong with this industry?
Why is there even a need for 90 minutes cutscenes? It is just a cheap way of producing killer graphics and was already outdated by the past generation. There are tons of ways to making a game more interactive, especially if you take the processing powers of the PS3 into account. Why resort to something as easy as cutscenes? They forcefully rip you out of the game, forcing you to watch an otherwise uninteractive piece of graphics. Yes, uninteractive, the polar opposite of interactive, which a game is. Cutscenes actually degrade the very concept of a game. We have movies for that!
If he wanted to convey the story so badly that he had to use cutscenes to get it done, why not just release the game in the form of a movie? The business model of a movie is more profitable than that of a game anyways. What the hell has happened to the whole concept known as a "game"? You know, that piece of software you used to "play"? Instead of watch?
Yes, I played Metal Gear Solid before, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. This is quite something, for someone who does not even like these games that much. I actually started with Metal Gear Solid 2, when I borrowed it from a friend. Only afterwards I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and as one of the (most probably) few who did, I must be honest in saying that part 1 was the superior one of the two, by far. Part 4 seemed interesting, until this announcement. Any chance of me buying a PS3 in the future has now been delayed (possibly indefinitely).
This is one of the (major) reasons why I dislike the current way the industry is headed. I want games back; I do not want more movies.
What the f*ck is your problem buddy? Why go in to a long diatribe about the problems in the industry about MGS4? If you don't like the game f*ck off and don't play it. You'd think after 200+ posts your futile point would already have been aired, so there is no need for your f*cking stupid opinion.
Personally I love the series, and I will relish 90 minutes of my favourite series, so stuff that up yer pipe!
To suivaloom: Whilst I accept that you (and many others) will enjoy 90 minute cut-scenes, I translated the more obtuse elements of your comment as something along the lines of:
"I love PS3 and I love MGS4, so anyone who says otherwise is not my friend and my dad's harder than theirs too. So nergh!"
Why don't you throw your rattle back in your pram and stop being so agressive towards someone who at least has the capacity to form an objective statement on why he thinks cut-scenes are a dying technique in plot-driven gaming.
I for one would much rather read 200 intelligent comments like his than even a single comment like yours, because whilst your approval of cut-scenes is perfectly valid, your flaming is totally unnecessary.
SunScramble i think you made a good point and everyone can have there opinions i just think you worded it all wrong and that guy jumped on you.
You say you dont like the way the industry is goin yet you still get 30-40hours of gameplay with MGS4 not many games offer that and not many ever had. Personally i love the way the industry is goin because im finally feeling emotion while playing a game and i've never loved or lothed characters in the past, ive never thought about my action in a game i just do them, I've never regreted doing something in a game yet lately i do.
Ok 90mins is long but if it really makes me feel for the characters the same way as a film does then im all for it.
I'm with sunscramble on this, i barely get the time to do more than an hours gaming at a time these days (work, social life and gf = no gaming like the old days )
So to be expected to sit through a 90 min cutscene is beyond reason.
Just thought I'd drop in to say, that regardless how "disappointing" MGS4 ends up being for most/some, it's still my most hyped game this generation simply for the genius that Kojima is in regards to whole package: art-direction, attention to detail, story telling, characters, depth, A.I., humour and entertainment. Metal Gear Solid has always been one of those controversial games - and that's probably due to the creators fixating on more than just textures and polygons.
It's one of the games that truly delivers. Fixating on graphics alone just doesn't do any of the Metal Gear games any justice - they are so much more than just that! As with the previous games: the most stunning moments weren't the ones shown in screenshots, but moments of the game where just everything came together beautifully. It may not float every ones boat, but I for one, am extremely looking forward when the saga finally continues.
There you go again Sunscramble slating the PS3. Youare the biggest M$ fanboy on here and you have revealed your true colours yet again with another attack on the PS3.
The fact is how can you sit on your high horse and slate the game and it's cut-scenes when YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED IT??? So your defammation of the game is rather silly and immature when it is made without any basis whatsoever.
Take those Xbot goggles off ffs man.
You're such a PS3 fanboy, you see any criticism of the PS3, no matter how light, as a declaration of love of all things Microsoft, even if MS are not mentioned. You imagine Microsoft references where there are none.
Trying to discredit my opinion by accusing me of having a bias of some kind is very weak. Also, as you can see, nobody else around these parts will fall for it.
This is because you are a deluded PS3 fanboy.
You attack me merely because my opinion sounds convincing, perhaps? Oh, and you are a fanboy.
That's how much of a PS3 fanboy you are, you PS3 fanboy loving PS3 fanboy who also also a PS3 fanboy and a son-of-a-PS3 fanboy.
The reason for this is because you are a PS3 fanboy.
So, pray tell, how the f**k did you link me not liking 90-minute cutscenes in my 60 minute gaming sessions have anything to do with Microsoft?
Oh no, you can't tell me. This is yet another one of your attacks on people who have a differing opinion from yourself.
On the other side of the coin, your behaviour shows that you have an irrational emotional investment in the console brand that you use, which instantly invalidates your opinion. Y'know, what with you being a fanboy and all. - Q.E.D. your opinon is worth nothing.
To round it all off, let me requote this passage from earlier in the thread:
After reading through most comments here (which were rather amusing to say the least), I feel that there is a lack of comments on the actual game. The only thing I see here is bashing of hardware, unrelated to the topic at hand.
Anyways, to give my opinion, which actually has to do with the game;
WHAT the HELL is wrong with this industry?
Why is there even a need for 90 minutes cutscenes? It is just a cheap way of producing killer graphics and was already outdated by the past generation. There are tons of ways to making a game more interactive, especially if you take the processing powers of the PS3 into account. Why resort to something as easy as cutscenes? They forcefully rip you out of the game, forcing you to watch an otherwise uninteractive piece of graphics. Yes, uninteractive, the polar opposite of interactive, which a game is. Cutscenes actually degrade the very concept of a game. We have movies for that!
If he wanted to convey the story so badly that he had to use cutscenes to get it done, why not just release the game in the form of a movie? The business model of a movie is more profitable than that of a game anyways. What the hell has happened to the whole concept known as a "game"? You know, that piece of software you used to "play"? Instead of watch?
Yes, I played Metal Gear Solid before, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. This is quite something, for someone who does not even like these games that much. I actually started with Metal Gear Solid 2, when I borrowed it from a friend. Only afterwards I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and as one of the (most probably) few who did, I must be honest in saying that part 1 was the superior one of the two, by far. Part 4 seemed interesting, until this announcement. Any chance of me buying a PS3 in the future has now been delayed (possibly indefinitely).
This is one of the (major) reasons why I dislike the current way the industry is headed. I want games back; I do not want more movies.
What the f*ck is your problem buddy? Why go in to a long diatribe about the problems in the industry about MGS4? If you don't like the game f*ck off and don't play it. You'd think after 200+ posts your futile point would already have been aired, so there is no need for your f*cking stupid opinion.
Personally I love the series, and I will relish 90 minutes of my favourite series, so stuff that up yer pipe!
To suivaloom: Whilst I accept that you (and many others) will enjoy 90 minute cut-scenes, I translated the more obtuse elements of your comment as something along the lines of:
"I love PS3 and I love MGS4, so anyone who says otherwise is not my friend and my dad's harder than theirs too. So nergh!"
Why don't you throw your rattle back in your pram and stop being so agressive towards someone who at least has the capacity to form an objective statement on why he thinks cut-scenes are a dying technique in plot-driven gaming.
I for one would much rather read 200 intelligent comments like his than even a single comment like yours, because whilst your approval of cut-scenes is perfectly valid, your flaming is totally unnecessary.
You lose, fanboy!
Ha ha ha Sunscramble. I agree with what you say. I AM A FANBOY. Yes I am a disgusting, pathetic, immature PS3 fanboy. I am quite happy to admit it.
What is sad is YOU not admitting you are also a fanboy, in his late 30's no doubt, arguing with me about a game you have slated but never played
You sad old fool. Admit you are a 38 yr old fanboy and I will let you go about your business in peace.
Take it no one's read this: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049
Seems the 90 minute cutscene is hyperbole bulls**t.
"I've beat the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes.
"I think it's safe to say that the '90 minutes cinemas' claim is a pretty big exaggeration," he told GamePro News.
Would have been nice if he'd have mentioned what length the longest cutscenes actually were - if he's actually finished it twice, you'd have thought he could have given us some actual hard evidence.
And twice through is more than enough to have a more concrete opinion on something than 'not to my recollection'.
Take it no one's read this: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049
Seems the 90 minute cutscene is hyperbole bulls**t.
"I've beat the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes.
"I think it's safe to say that the '90 minutes cinemas' claim is a pretty big exaggeration," he told GamePro News.
Would have been nice if he'd have mentioned what length the longest cutscenes actually were - if he's actually finished it twice, you'd have thought he could have given us some actual hard evidence.
And twice through is more than enough to have a more concrete opinion on something than 'not to my recollection'.
I see your point, however I've beaten all the Metal Gear games numerous times and I can't honestly tell you the length of the longest cutscene. Certainly there were lengthy ones, but my only beef has been with tedious codec conversations; this especially so when two cutscenes have been sandwiched with an elongated codec moment. I still relish in 10 minute or so cutscenes though, since it gives me time to drink my tea and roll a biff of epic proportions. I can see how the break in gameplay would p**s off a lot of players, although at least you're able to skip them, which is better than banal unskippable cutscenes in a lot of other games.
TBH, i would rather have ridiculously long cut scenes and a game that wraps up everything, than a game that cuts down story exposure and leaves question unanswered, and the player unfulfilled.
Hopefully there is a way to pause the cutscene, than turn off your PS3?
When they've used this much blu-ray space on cutscenes, where are they going to put the duplicate data on the disc to make it load at least the same speed as a 360 game? 10gb install here we come!
Well the back of the box says 4.6 install so i dont know where you !0gig install from you must be 1 lousy XBOT FANBOY!!!
Ha ha ha Sunscramble. I agree with what you say. I AM A FANBOY. Yes I am a disgusting, pathetic, immature PS3 fanboy. I am quite happy to admit it.
What is sad is YOU not admitting you are also a fanboy, in his late 30's no doubt, arguing with me about a game you have slated but never played
You sad old fool. Admit you are a 38 yr old fanboy and I will let you go about your business in peace.
Firstly, since you have never played MGS4 either, where's your point? Secondly, since I claimed to love the MetalGear series, and finished that first 4, and you've given no indication either way, where's your point..?
Thirdly, I don't recall slating the actual game either, merely criticizing the quality of the writing, and the length of the cutscenes. I merely gave a fair criticism of these two aspects, which is what this thread is actually about...
You're such a fanboy I could come in and make a claim that i don't like the colour Blue, and you'd accuse me of being a Microsoft fanboy for it.
Okay, i admit it. I am a fanboy. But which system's praises have I shouted loudest in these here forums in the last couple of weeks?
Oh Noes, I'm a PS2 fanboy!
The original xbox was sold at a loss - I think it was about $150 - and it never ended up 6 feet deep.
Yes it did. It was dropped by Microsoft at the first possible opportunity, unlike the PS2, which is still going strong.
This month's gaming mostly consists of a 2-foot pile of PS2 games for me.
I would also like to add:
The first company to get around the technical issues and get an MMO "right" on a home console will clean up the competition entirely, and Sony do have a hell of lot of swing in that part of the gaming world.
If they do manage to bring the the "Real PC MMO Experience" to the PS3, and MS have nothing waiting in the wings, then the Xbox360's current success will be worth but Jack and s**t, and Jack will probably head straight for the station to get on the first bus out of town...
and
(Mircosoft) are a bunch of greedy bastards who probably sold their souls to the Devil himself to get where they are...
to the table, to how how pro-Microsoft I obviously am.
I pick those quotes, because they came about in the week that you claimed you would quote from...
So Suivaloom, now that we've established that you're a massive fanboy tool and I'm not, why don't you just move and and stop trying to make this thread all about me?
shut up. you've got interactive movie if you want and you got the game. at the end, story will be the one that will give most impression. watching a movies ore playing the games. story is what you keep remembering afterwords j
Is it any surprise that one of the longest threads in quite some time is mostly constructed from "I say, you say" fanboyism?
What the hell was this all about again?
Oh yeah, some rag of a magazine which usual features some tens of paragraphs per issue attempted to draw attention to themselves and their dwindling circulation numbers by making some daft claim about a game which is exclusive to the system they write about in order to attract derision from fanboys of rivaling consoles.
The argument here should be "Just how s**t is PSW?"
The answer to which should be so obvious it should be embarrassing to say it (to quote Noam Chomsky.
f**k PSW, it's a s**t mag that recycles news from other more reliable sources. One concession I must make to PSW is that it is not as s**t as PLAY, which is a wretched pile of steaming dog feaces.
Good. I love the storys in the Metal Gear games and more cutscenes for me means more story. That equals a more immersive experience and more value for money. Now at least we know why Kojima wanted all that storage space he kept banging on about.
Love it. So far, the delay station has only been good for movies and dusting on a Sunday. We finally get a GAME that looks promising and they turn it into a movie????? oh dear.
Take it no one's read this: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049
Seems the 90 minute cutscene is hyperbole bulls**t.
"I've beat the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes.
"I think it's safe to say that the '90 minutes cinemas' claim is a pretty big exaggeration," he told GamePro News.
Would have been nice if he'd have mentioned what length the longest cutscenes actually were - if he's actually finished it twice, you'd have thought he could have given us some actual hard evidence.
And twice through is more than enough to have a more concrete opinion on something than 'not to my recollection'.
That's a completely predictable point from a XBox 360 fan boy. What makes you think he felt he had to time the cut scenes whilst playing the game then? Maybe the author of that article is not a sad enough t**t to actually sit there with a watch timing each cut scene. I know I won't be sitting there with a stop watch, in effect - spoiling the game just because "CVG says"! If anything, that's what CVG wants you to do.
Maybe the "game timing idiot" honour should be reserved for CVG staff - but its more like they didn't time it either. This is a Microsoft XBox 360 biased website and they can print whatever the hell they like. Making untrue and false claims to discredit what will be a huge release for the PS3 seems much less far fetched than 90 minute cut scenes.
That's a completely predictable point from a XBox 360 fan boy. What makes you think he felt he had to time the cut scenes whilst playing the game then? Maybe the author of that article is not a sad enough t**t to actually sit there with a watch timing each cut scene. I know I won't be sitting there with a stop watch, in effect - spoiling the game just because "CVG says"! If anything, that's what CVG wants you to do.
Maybe the "game timing idiot" honour should be reserved for CVG staff - but its more like they didn't time it either. This is a Microsoft XBox 360 biased website and they can print whatever the hell they like. Making untrue and false claims to discredit what will be a huge release for the PS3 seems much less far fetched than 90 minute cut scenes.
Hmm, the original article is from PSW, or Playstation World. It would really surprise me if they were a Microsoft 360 biased publication.
90 mins or not it doesn't matter. If you've never played any MGS titles before (and you haven't), you really can't comment on the quality of the story (or lack of). By praising the title before you've played it or any of it's predecessors, you're talking from a position of pure ignorance.
That's just asburd! What happened to playing the game as the story progresses? How can it take 90 or even 60 minutes to tell a story, not only that chances are your taking in so much info you'll probably ahve to watch it again.
Would the movies of lord of the rings have worked if they were simply 120 mins long? I think not,I think for huge epic storys you need huge epic scenes. MGS is an example of that. Some people should have the common sense to see it for what it is and not coz the platform its coming out on how shallow can some people be. Another install? goodie While thats installing I have time to get my scooby snacks out
CVG, You could quite rightly ban 25% of people on this thread and make the world a better place. I have never read so much childish and fowl language since I left (primary) school. Come on people, you give gaming a bad name. You can have a laugh and poke fun, but now this is getting stupid.
hear hear mark!! bloody hell i must of got about 6 pages in of the same old tired crap (i'm looking at both of you mrxbob and nasim) just bloody deck it will ya! mrxbob loves his 360 and nasim loves his ps3...ever thought aout getting a room lads?? anyhow on topic...all of the cutscenes are 'interactive', you can move the cam around during (ala MGS2), zoom in on stuff, change the camera angles, even look through the MKII's eyes and zip around ALL in realtime! (ever thought about easter eggs during all this)
what a totally ruined thread! 13 pages....ok i got as far as page 4 and then decided to skip to 13 due to all the utter useless rubbish.
so, the 90 minute thing isnt looking so correct now.......thank god.....i mean i am a total mgs fan - loved all the previous ones, but a 90 minute cut scene.....just seems bizarre.....ok even if they arent 90 mins long, the fact that you can PAUSE them.....i mean come on.......pause a cut scene? that must be saying something about the fact that they are v long......just better be bloody amazing because i have no intention of skipping them and missing out on one of the greatest computer game stories i have come across.
oh, i have a question! someone help me out here, but i was reading an article which covered the back stories of mgs......one thing that baffled me, was the articles claim to who WHO revolver ocelot is.....it claimed he was the son of THE BOSS.....anyone clarify??? thankyou
oh, i have a question! someone help me out here, but i was reading an article which covered the back stories of mgs......one thing that baffled me, was the articles claim to who WHO revolver ocelot is.....it claimed he was the son of THE BOSS.....anyone clarify??? thankyou
The character "The Boss" was Naked Snake's (AKA "Big Boss" teacher in/prior to MGS3, and it was implied at one point in that game that she was Ocelot's mother. If you'd gotten "The Boss" and "Big Boss" confused with each other, I'd see why it seemed confusing.
I don't know what these people gain from lying about the whole 90 minute cutscene just to cause false speculation and stupid arguments on forums. Kinda sad really (as in pathetic)
Hmm, the original article is from PSW, or Playstation World. It would really surprise me if they were a Microsoft 360 biased publication.
Hmm... Who makes PSW magazine and how does it link to this website?
I still haven't seen any one particular person being quoted as saying there are 90 minute cut scenes yet and every other site posting this story on the web refers to CVG.
On the flip side, I've read of at least one person who actually has his name printed - saying 90 minutes is a great exaggeration.
90 mins or not it doesn't matter. If you've never played any MGS titles before (and you haven't), you really can't comment on the quality of the story (or lack of).
I've never played any MGS titles before... How would you know this? Have you located and broken into my games room in the middle of the night, rifled through my collection, scoured my hard drives and put it all back just where you found it?
Of course, I'd have to be guessing then, that in MGS, the first few stages involve breaking into a prison cell, avoiding CCTV and guards. I'd have to be guessing about crawling through 3D air vents and I'd have to be guessing that the training missions don't involve holo-deck type scenarios. I'd have to be guessing that MGS comes on 2 grey discs. I'd have to be guessing or researching all of this, just to satisfy an argument, because buying the game and playing it must be such a chore.
No really, I wouldn't want to play such a great game as MGS - or its predecessors. Obviously I won't be buying MGS 4 then as 'LordVonPS3' obviously doesn't really own a PS3 either.
You really haven't got a clue brother.
By praising the title before you've played it or any of it's predecessors, you're talking from a position of pure ignorance.
It seems that's rather appropriate right now - for you. You may think you know everything - but its clear you don't.
Now play nice or mind your step brother... This playground can get mighty rough.
Erm... comparing the story of MGS to Lord Of The Rings is like comparing excrement to cream... and I'm not that bigger fan of Lord Of The Rings either.
The game looks ok- but hopefully it's nothing like MGS 2... please don't be like MGS 2... They're are tons of great games coming out this year- but this is near the lower end of the list for me...
Can't wait for the game. Love the the cut scenes and the insane story from the previous games and will want to see everything the new game has to offer. But I know I will trigger the big cut scenes just right when I start a session or when I'm wanting to finish up. And at that point I was probably playing a hour or two longer than I intended. Just know it's gonna happen at something like two in the morning. Damn!
That's a completely predictable point from a XBox 360 fan boy.
Shove it. Just because I say something anti-Sony (not that I did in this instance) does not automatically make me a 360 fanboy.
And I still say two play throughs is enough to at least have a vague idea of cutscene length. Especially if those cutscenes were exceptionally long.
Oh no, that's not how the game works around here. They're so defensive that even the mildest criticism of the Sony machine, or any game exclusively published on the PS3, is automatically perceived as being a pro-Microsoft scream.
Either you admit that the PS3 and it's games are more powerful than God and more attractive than Angelina Jolie, and have absolutely no negative points at all, or every time you post in here they'll loudly and repeatedly accuse you of only posting because you're deluded by the power of Microsoft.
Bear in mind that most of these posters are from the generation that did most of their intellectual growth post-Phantom Menace, and I think it all becomes pretty clear who's to blame for this.
That's a completely predictable point from a XBox 360 fan boy.
Shove it. Just because I say something anti-Sony (not that I did in this instance) does not automatically make me a 360 fanboy.
And I still say two play throughs is enough to at least have a vague idea of cutscene length. Especially if those cutscenes were exceptionally long.
Oh no, that's not how the game works around here. They're so defensive that even the mildest criticism of the Sony machine, or any game exclusively published on the PS3, is automatically perceived as being a pro-Microsoft scream.
Either you admit that the PS3 and it's games are more powerful than God and more attractive than Angelina Jolie, and have absolutely no negative points at all, or every time you post in here they'll loudly and repeatedly accuse you of only posting because you're deluded by the power of Microsoft.
Bear in mind that most of these posters are from the generation that did most of their intellectual growth post-Phantom Menace, and I think it all becomes pretty clear who's to blame for this.
Ah, gotcha.
Is it too late to side with Nintendo then? I've been a stalwart of theirs since I hung up my Master System II and got a SNES...
And Phantom Menace *spits* This is not a real Star Wars movie...
That's a completely predictable point from a XBox 360 fan boy.
Shove it. Just because I say something anti-Sony (not that I did in this instance) does not automatically make me a 360 fanboy.
And I still say two play throughs is enough to at least have a vague idea of cutscene length. Especially if those cutscenes were exceptionally long.
Oh no, that's not how the game works around here. They're so defensive that even the mildest criticism of the Sony machine, or any game exclusively published on the PS3, is automatically perceived as being a pro-Microsoft scream.
Either you admit that the PS3 and it's games are more powerful than God and more attractive than Angelina Jolie, and have absolutely no negative points at all, or every time you post in here they'll loudly and repeatedly accuse you of only posting because you're deluded by the power of Microsoft.
Bear in mind that most of these posters are from the generation that did most of their intellectual growth post-Phantom Menace, and I think it all becomes pretty clear who's to blame for this.
Ah, gotcha.
Is it too late to side with Nintendo then? I've been a stalwart of theirs since I hung up my Master System II and got a SNES...
And Phantom Menace *spits* This is not a real Star Wars movie...
@ Sunscramble & _Marty_
You both make anti-Sony comments 100% of the time and act like UK resistance fascist Nazi's (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/). You shouldn't be surprised when people do call you XBox 360 fan boy's. It's more than deserved.
Well, I will definatly be giving this a miss then. Games are there to be PLAYED. Id rather watch Alien vs Predator than watch some f*cking cutscene for 90 mins. If it needs 90 min cutsences to tell the story then IMO thats just a lazy and boring way of implementing story into a game. In fact, it just plain ruins a game. In fact, it kinda doesnt really make it a game anymore, does it? It's more like a interactive movie. I was never a massive fan of MGS anyway, I completed the original on PS1 and although it was good and fun, just didnt live up to the hype, or compare to the epic adventure that is Ocarina of Time on the N64. Meh, looks like the only games I'll be getting for my PS3 now are Resistance 2 and FF13. Of course Gears 2 will probably cast a shadow over R2 for me but oh well.
Yes, the cutscenes are really, really long. But the cutscenes also one of the reasons the MGS series are loved so much in the 1st place. The way they implemented a story works GREAT, even if it's not for everyone. But then again, which game is for everyone?
FWIW, I'm going to get it and I'll be looking forward to seeing those 90 min cutscenes. I know they're probably going to be awesome pieces of art, as they've always been IMHO.
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), if it's done well. 10 minutes of horrible cut scene can be more boring than 90 minutes of a great one.
