The mystery behind the Xbox 360's infamous 'Red Ring of Death' problem, which has been bricking consoles left, right and centre since it launched in 2005, has finally been unravelled.
Speaking at the Design Automation Conference in California, Bryan Lewis, research VP and chief analyst at Gartner, said that the reason Microsoft was forced to admit 360's hardware fault and conduct a $1 billion recall was because it wanted to manufacture the 360's graphic chip itself, rather than paying a third party.
"Microsoft wanted to avoid an ASIC vendor," said Lewis. Microsoft designed the GPU itself, cut a traditional ASIC vendor out of the process and went straight to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing, he explained.
But in the end, by going cheap MS ended up paying more than $1 billion in its 360 recall.
To try and fix the problem, said Lewis, the platform holder went back to an unnamed ASIC vendor and redesigned the chip. According to him, it was probably ATI.
"Had Microsoft left the graphics processor design to an ASIC vendor in the first place, would they have been able to avoid this problem? Probably. The ASIC vendor could have been able to design a graphics processor that dissipates much less power."
We're sure it won't make the same mistake twice...
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
"The ASIC vendor could have been able to design a graphics processor that dissipates much less power."
What!?
"dissipates much less power"
What the f**k does that mean? Either he meant to say "dissipates much more heat" or possibly "generates much less heat". But power? The man is clearly an idiotic imposter.
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
Agreed, so next next gen, reliability and noise emission should be addressed and then all's well. Although this seems to be happening with the 360 also as part of current lifecycle improvements.
Not officially, but the main reason for the RROD is quite well known. For example, there've been lot's of websites like this around for a long time now; http://www.moviesmusicgamesandmore.com/repair-your-xbox-360.html
Contradicting stories about the official cause it seems...
OFFTOPIC: My copy of MGS4 has arrived today as well. Shame I'm too busy until Friday to actually play it for more than 30 mins...
Yeah same problem here mate - its not untill the misses is at work 2moro night when i can have a real go on it Might just go to Computer Exchange and p**s them off by asking how much on Trade with a copy in my hand haha!
On a serious note, I have recently bought a 360 because I feel that I can rely on the machine now. Must have put a few people off buying one. That's what you get by trying to save money! Which is ironic seeing as MS usually give the stuff away (50 million dollars, anyone?), and not always to charity.
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
Agreed, so next next gen, reliability and noise emission should be addressed and then all's well. Although this seems to be happening with the 360 also as part of current lifecycle improvements.
Got my 360 about six weeks ago. If the previous models were louder they must have been unbearable! When I have the TV quiet so not to keep my house mates up, my 360 drowns out the TV!
so thats why i've not had anything to play but PES on my ps3 for the last 3 days. cause MS wanted to do everything themselves. cheers, 3 weeks to look forward to with no GTA4, ninja gaiden2 and GRID. never though i'd be saying this but thank f**k for sony and praise jebus that MGS4's out this week.
so thats why i've not had anything to play but PES on my ps3 for the last 3 days. cause MS wanted to do everything themselves. cheers, 3 weeks to look forward to with no GTA4, ninja gaiden2 and GRID. never though i'd be saying this but thank f**k for sony and praise jebus that MGS4's out this week.
Ouch. At least you have a silver lining on your cloud. Five o'clock and MGS4 is mine! All mine!!!!!
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
Agreed, so next next gen, reliability and noise emission should be addressed and then all's well. Although this seems to be happening with the 360 also as part of current lifecycle improvements.
Got my 360 about six weeks ago. If the previous models were louder they must have been unbearable! When I have the TV quiet so not to keep my house mates up, my 360 drowns out the TV!
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
Agreed, so next next gen, reliability and noise emission should be addressed and then all's well. Although this seems to be happening with the 360 also as part of current lifecycle improvements.
Got my 360 about six weeks ago. If the previous models were louder they must have been unbearable! When I have the TV quiet so not to keep my house mates up, my 360 drowns out the TV!
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
My wii is definitely quieter, but can't believe it is just the dvd drive that is loud. What about the hard drive and more importantly the fan?? My big PC doesn't make as much noise with two hard disks, two dvd drives and about three fans (including graphics card)!
Anyway, it's not a real problem. Was just making a comment that the previous 360's must have been deafening!
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
so thats why i've not had anything to play but PES on my ps3 for the last 3 days. cause MS wanted to do everything themselves. cheers, 3 weeks to look forward to with no GTA4, ninja gaiden2 and GRID. never though i'd be saying this but thank f**k for sony and praise jebus that MGS4's out this week.
Ouch. At least you have a silver lining on your cloud. Five o'clock and MGS4 is mine! All mine!!!!!
*looks at watch*
*sobs*
looks like you've been lining yours with gold. my MGS won't be here till tommorrow. hopefully i'll be past the first cutscene by sunday morning. which would be 1 week exactly since my 360 RROD'd. (is that right?)
Just confirms what everyone knew already. The 360 was a rush job.
Clearly you didn't read the article or you just didn't understand it, this is down to MS being tight and trying to save money, which in long run cost them more! Its no more then they deserved for being tight and not getting the job done properly by someone who knows what they're doing.
I have an Elite and the noise isn't too bad. Downloaded demos playing from the hard drive are extremely quiet, it only gets going when you play from a disc. To cut out noise altogether, and to not disturb your housemates, invest in a decent pair of headphones, Sennheiser's maybe.
Like people have already stated, 360 is so noisy because of the fast read speed of the DVD drive. I don't know about you guys but when I play on mine I have the surround sound on so I can enjoy the experience, so I can barely hear my 360 unless it's a quiet scene in the game. PS3 on the other hand is rather quiet because the overall size of the machine means less effort required by the fans for cooling, and also because the Blu-Ray drive can only read at slow speeds due to being a first gen drive, hence the vast majority of PS3 exclusives (and even multi-format games these days) requiring these HDD install's.
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
Total b******s! My PC is a lot quieter than my Xbox360. Even when my Xbox doesn't have a disc in the drive and the drive isn't running. The cooling fans in the Xbox itself and in the power pack make a lot of noise all the time. As for the PS3 being 2 to 3 speed! You do realise its a blu ray drive on the PS3 and not a DVD drive? That is they're not the same technology. You're talking complete rubbish.
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
Total b******s! My PC is a lot quieter than my Xbox360. Even when my Xbox doesn't have a disc in the drive and the drive isn't running. The cooling fans in the Xbox itself and in the power pack make a lot of noise all the time. As for the PS3 being 2 to 3 speed! You do realise its a blu ray drive on the PS3 and not a DVD drive? That is they're not the same technology. You're talking complete rubbish.
was about to say something similar, its not the disc drive, its the fan on thing, its more turbine than fan. Ps3 fan and fans on most PCs are fairly quiet, alot more than the 360 anyway
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
My wii is definitely quieter, but can't believe it is just the dvd drive that is loud. What about the hard drive and more importantly the fan?? My big PC doesn't make as much noise with two hard disks, two dvd drives and about three fans (including graphics card)!
Well I guess aside from the RROD these are the other two 'problems' that could be addressed for the follow-up console;
Better quality disc drives, maybe a Slot-loading disc drive like the Wii and PS3 have, would reduce both disc spinning noise and the possibility of disc-scratching/unreadable disc error messages.
Also try to eliminate having a noisy fan, keeping any necessary cooling to a minimum by improving the heat-sink etc inside.
Better quality disc drives, maybe a Slot-loading disc drive like the Wii and PS3 have, would reduce both disc spinning noise and the possibility of disc-scratching/unreadable disc error messages.
Don't talk nonsense man, everyone knows cartridges are the way forward.......
I don't think that's the only cause of the legendary red ring of death. I bricked a brand new 360 elite with a wonky power adapter. Of course, I didn't realise that it was the power adapter at fault until I'd bricked another one two hours later...
Well im glad thats settled, maybe Micros next console won blow up when i try to play a game and they should get rid of the disk tray, it gets stuck and p**ses me of, they should also make it quiter. Actually they should have just worked an extra year on it and it woulld have been fine. I would have gotten it anyway to play Halo 3 and Fable 2.
i am almost entirely sure that ati designed the GPU as it is based on their old PC designs. as to who manufactured it is another matter if Ms own the rights to it.
so thats why i've not had anything to play but PES on my ps3 for the last 3 days. cause MS wanted to do everything themselves. cheers, 3 weeks to look forward to with no GTA4, ninja gaiden2 and GRID. never though i'd be saying this but thank f**k for sony and praise jebus that MGS4's out this week.
Ouch. At least you have a silver lining on your cloud. Five o'clock and MGS4 is mine! All mine!!!!!
*looks at watch*
*sobs*
looks like you've been lining yours with gold. my MGS won't be here till tommorrow. hopefully i'll be past the first cutscene by sunday morning. which would be 1 week exactly since my 360 RROD'd. (is that right?)
I've been playing MGS4 for 6 hours now and it's pure class and IMHO the cutscenes are brilliantly done.
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
Total b******s! My PC is a lot quieter than my Xbox360. Even when my Xbox doesn't have a disc in the drive and the drive isn't running. The cooling fans in the Xbox itself and in the power pack make a lot of noise all the time. As for the PS3 being 2 to 3 speed! You do realise its a blu ray drive on the PS3 and not a DVD drive? That is they're not the same technology. You're talking complete rubbish.
the 360 is louder than most pc's or consoles, but who the hell has their volume that low to notice???!!! apart from kids who are frightened of waking their parents up, or sponging students that think they might p**s their housemates off???? theres a hell of a lot of good games out there for it that just p**s all over the noise comments as reflected by sales of games.....geeks/fanboys take note...
Better quality disc drives, maybe a Slot-loading disc drive like the Wii and PS3 have, would reduce both disc spinning noise and the possibility of disc-scratching/unreadable disc error messages.
Don't talk nonsense man, everyone knows cartridges are the way forward.......
so thats why i've not had anything to play but PES on my ps3 for the last 3 days. cause MS wanted to do everything themselves. cheers, 3 weeks to look forward to with no GTA4, ninja gaiden2 and GRID. never though i'd be saying this but thank f**k for sony and praise jebus that MGS4's out this week.
Ouch. At least you have a silver lining on your cloud. Five o'clock and MGS4 is mine! All mine!!!!!
*looks at watch*
*sobs*
looks like you've been lining yours with gold. my MGS won't be here till tommorrow. hopefully i'll be past the first cutscene by sunday morning. which would be 1 week exactly since my 360 RROD'd. (is that right?)
I've been playing MGS4 for 6 hours now and it's pure class and IMHO the cutscenes are brilliantly done.
you should rent the final fantasy film, you'd like it...
A bit late in the day to start admitting to such terrible hardware failings. They denied that the problem even existed for so long, so why the sudden u-turn? If I was a Microsoft exec, I'd be more than a bit red-faced by now, but having said that, they've taken one hell of a pile of fanboy-cash, many of whom I know have bought 2, even 3 machines. Doubt they're too sad.
For me, it was the death-nail in the coffin reason I abstained from buying what I still believe will be the least commercially successful console this generation.
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
Agreed, so next next gen, reliability and noise emission should be addressed and then all's well. Although this seems to be happening with the 360 also as part of current lifecycle improvements.
Got my 360 about six weeks ago. If the previous models were louder they must have been unbearable! When I have the TV quiet so not to keep my house mates up, my 360 drowns out the TV!
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
What you are saying is ridiculous. I have a PC 5x as fast as the 360 yet the fan is completely silent. And I mean completely silent
There is no reason why the 360 should be so noisy, watching a DVD and during the quiet dialogue bits you have to turn the volume right up as it is lost in the hoover sound the machine omits.
It is just bad, rushed design, nothing more, nothing less.
What you are saying is ridiculous. I have a PC 5x as fast as the 360 yet the fan is completely silent. And I mean completely silent
There is no reason why the 360 should be so noisy, watching a DVD and during the quiet dialogue bits you have to turn the volume right up as it is lost in the hoover sound the machine omits.
It is just bad, rushed design, nothing more, nothing less.
it is noisier than a PC but a good PC case costs around Ł100 which is obviously way too much for a console. if you put PC components in a case the size of a 360 i reckon it would be similarly noisy, there is a lot of components in a small space and the dvd drive makes the noise mainly and that sits near the top. also, Pc's usually sit out of the way where as the 360 is likely to be located in ear shot.
as someone else pointed out earlier, if you have sound it really isnt a problem.
Well I'm sure it's a very expensive lesson learnt by Microsoft, and should pretty much assure that their next console will be far more reliable.
Apart from the red-ring issue, I must admit how impressed I was at the amount of improvements they made over the original Xbox. The look and design of both the console and pads, the achievement system, the dashboard etc. For once a company took on board all the criticisms leveled at them and changed and improved almost every aspect of their machine.
To think the 360 is only their second attempt at a games console is very impressive and bodes well for their next effort.
u know what i have to agree - i love my 360 to bits. had the first xbox and to be honest i treated it exactly how i treat my PS3, hardly ever turned the thing on (was ALWAYS on my PS2, maybe cuz i had my one chipped and had untold amount of games, well my xbox was chipped also but the joypad was a killer 4 me). It's wierd how things have switched around this generation (for ME anyway), i never play my ps3 but live on my 360 to death. Yes it does have flaws i think we all know that (the fan noise being the worst 4 me) but i have to say i am very impressed with how they have rectified and upgraded so many aspects of their console since the first one. If they never had the RROD problem i think it could probably challenge my fave console i have ever bought and that was the Dreamcast - now that was a masterpiece that was unfortunately for SEGA too ahead of it's time
What you are saying is ridiculous. I have a PC 5x as fast as the 360 yet the fan is completely silent. And I mean completely silent
There is no reason why the 360 should be so noisy, watching a DVD and during the quiet dialogue bits you have to turn the volume right up as it is lost in the hoover sound the machine omits.
It is just bad, rushed design, nothing more, nothing less.
it is noisier than a PC but a good PC case costs around Ł100 which is obviously way too much for a console. if you put PC components in a case the size of a 360 i reckon it would be similarly noisy, there is a lot of components in a small space and the dvd drive makes the noise mainly and that sits near the top. also, Pc's usually sit out of the way where as the 360 is likely to be located in ear shot.
as someone else pointed out earlier, if you have sound it really isnt a problem.
My PC (Area-51 7500), which is about 18 months old, is much, much, much louder than my xbox.
The X-box is a godsend in comparison. It is also laptop quiet during DVD or download playback.
Although quiter still, the screeching noises the lense in my wii makes worry far more!
This problem is the sole reason I don't own a 360 and why I haven't rebought one. In all honesty I probably wouldn't have a PS3 if my xbox hadn't kept blowing up time after time but they sent me a faulty refurb and wouldn't replace it and my principles will absolutely not allow me to fork out for another - FFS, I would've then spent half the money needed to buy a decent pc, only to know that the same problem will likely return. MS may be able to change my mind if they bring out their new design before Gear 2 (I really want that game) but if they don't I can't say I'll be looking back with Resistance 2 on the way. It's actually a shame because the 360 has been a corker for games and all my mates who are into shooters have 360s.
It is only the dvd-drive that is noisy and that is the same for a PC too. PS3 is quiter as the drive is only 2 or 3 speed but as a result some games require installs to run properly. If you want a quiet machine get a Wii as the only thing you can really hear from them is the laser moving in the dvd-drive.
Total b******s! My PC is a lot quieter than my Xbox360. Even when my Xbox doesn't have a disc in the drive and the drive isn't running. The cooling fans in the Xbox itself and in the power pack make a lot of noise all the time. As for the PS3 being 2 to 3 speed! You do realise its a blu ray drive on the PS3 and not a DVD drive? That is they're not the same technology. You're talking complete rubbish.
Total b******s to you too!!!
all 3 of my PCs are much louder than my 360 when the dvd-drives are not spinning! The dvd-drive on my 360 is however a bit more noisy than my PC-ones (but not much).
Also I know full well that the PS3 has a bluray drive and I also know full well that it has slow transfer speed due to the spin speed of the drive. This means that the PS3's bluray drive does not have the same transfer speed of the 360's dvd drive (although they could fix this by upgrading the drive to a faster one). This also leads to the PS3's drive being quieter as it spins slower.
I must have missed something on my 360 though as the Power pack does not have any fans. Are you sure you own a 360? (as I would have thought you would know this)
I own a reasonably high-spec PC, and it's like a deathly silent Ninja in comparison to the X360's clunking sumo wrestler. (Although I did have the decibels in mind when I was building the thing, and spent a little extra in that regard.)
As soon as my 3-year warranty is up on the Xbox, I'm going to get out a dremel and fix the bastard thing, and shore up the crappy cooling on the GPU while I'm there. It'll no doubt wind up a little fatter and a little uglier, but it will be worth the effort.
...and I can't believe that people are trying to deny the wall of sound that this box pumps out. The 360 is loud...FACT! The sooner one accepts the flaws the sooner one appreciates the benefits.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Stop making excuses for the 360. It is a noisy machine when compared to the PS3.
And there are two things that make the 360 noisy. The CPU/GPU fan inside constantly blowing and also the disc drive noise. The PS3 is almost deathly silent.
I own a reasonably high-spec PC, and it's like a deathly silent Ninja in comparison to the X360's clunking sumo wrestler. (Although I did have the decibels in mind when I was building the thing, and spent a little extra in that regard.)
As soon as my 3-year warranty is up on the Xbox, I'm going to get out a dremel and fix the bastard thing, and shore up the crappy cooling on the GPU while I'm there. It'll no doubt wind up a little fatter and a little uglier, but it will be worth the effort.
Oh you can offer an unbiased point. Shame I can't eh?
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Well said that man!
My 360 hasn't died on me once and it's over 2 years old now (though it has had the odd crash on Oblivion and Lost Odyssey). Also the 360 is pretty quiet when playing DVD's- it's only during silent moments I can hear the faint whirring. In fact it's only REALLY noisy when it's loading up games.
Anyway, of all the consoles I've owned (most of them) the 360 has had the best amount/selection of quality games I've ever played... though there is still no Shenmue. Sort it out.
SHOCK AND AWE. MS have just sent me an email saying my xbox is on its way back to me already. UPS only came and uplifted it on monday. Plus i've just recieved my copy of MGS4. Oh happy days.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Stop making excuses for the 360. It is a noisy machine when compared to the PS3.
And there are two things that make the 360 noisy. The CPU/GPU fan inside constantly blowing and also the disc drive noise. The PS3 is almost deathly silent.
Well if thats the only bad thing you can think about it then you should really go out and buy one (if you dont already have one).
I cant really say i've noticed it being so noisy i'm usually to enthralled in some of the great games it has.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Well said that man!
My 360 hasn't died on me once and it's over 2 years old now (though it has had the odd crash on Oblivion and Lost Odyssey). Also the 360 is pretty quiet when playing DVD's- it's only during silent moments I can hear the faint whirring. In fact it's only REALLY noisy when it's loading up games.
Anyway, of all the consoles I've owned (most of them) the 360 has had the best amount/selection of quality games I've ever played... though there is still no Shenmue. Sort it out.
Ragon and pirtwi the two of you actually sound pleased that your 360s have lasted longer than your average healthy fruit fly, it makes me sick. Dont you have any pride? If my PS3 or Wii give up on me I'm getting a refund and im switching consoles.
Yeah mines just died last week which wasnt too bad considering thats the first time and i've had it for about 2 years now! At least its still within warranty.
So its 2-3 weeks of thumb twidling for me!
It's kretins like you that make rushing a faulty console out the door worthwhile.
Its fanboys like you that make the PS3 less appealing.
Considering the hundreds of hours of gameplay i've gotten out of my 360 over the past couple of years i'm not so bothered that it needs a quick repair. I can honestly say that it was worth the money spent on it.
Well said that man!
My 360 hasn't died on me once and it's over 2 years old now (though it has had the odd crash on Oblivion and Lost Odyssey). Also the 360 is pretty quiet when playing DVD's- it's only during silent moments I can hear the faint whirring. In fact it's only REALLY noisy when it's loading up games.
Anyway, of all the consoles I've owned (most of them) the 360 has had the best amount/selection of quality games I've ever played... though there is still no Shenmue. Sort it out.
Ragon and pirtwi the two of you actually sound pleased that your 360s have lasted longer than your average healthy fruit fly, it makes me sick. Dont you have any pride? If my PS3 or Wii give up on me I'm getting a refund and im switching consoles.
But your PS3 or Wii would never have had the countless hours of use that our 360's have had.
Plus MrPirtniw's 360 hasnt died.
If I had a brand new car and used it as much as I used my 360 I wouldnt be too surprised if I had to take it to the garage to repair a few things.
Its a given that the RRoD was a problem that MS could have avoided but who really cares? Their now rectifying that problem!
I'm touched that your getting so worked up about us not being bothered with our console problems tho.
I must have missed something on my 360 though as the Power pack does not have any fans. Are you sure you own a 360? (as I would have thought you would know this)
lift the power pack when it's on (you can tell it's on if the green light is lit up). Look in the vents on the side, whats that turning round in there? It's not a bloody wheel for a hamster you retard!
The thing that got me worked up was someone saying their console was 2 years old and it was a good thing it hadnt broke down. Dont you realise that consoles are supposed to last more than 2 years. Good job there's enough idiots who will repair their consoles 3-4 times without blinking or M$ would be sunk.
I must have missed something on my 360 though as the Power pack does not have any fans. Are you sure you own a 360? (as I would have thought you would know this)
lift the power pack when it's on (you can tell it's on if the green light is lit up). Look in the vents on the side, whats that turning round in there? It's not a bloody wheel for a hamster you retard!
Well if that is true then it just goes to show how unintrusive the fan actually is, as neither my friends or myself knew there was even a fan in there. So the point on mentioning it as adding to the noise is what exactly?
I've little time for a idiotic fanboy like yourself who makes half thought out claims that are not even true. I suggest you turn off the 3 PC's you have and turn the TV's volume down to so you don't disturb your neighbours.
I've little time for a idiotic fanboy like yourself who makes half thought out claims that are not even true. I suggest you turn off the 3 PC's you have and turn the TV's volume down to so you don't disturb your neighbours.
Lol, Fanboy......
I currently own a PSP, DS, Wii, 360, PS2, PS1, PC, Dreamcast, Neogeo Pocket Color, Atari lynx, Gamecube GBA, GBA SP, Amiga, Spectrum 48K and an Xbox.
If I am a fanboy then I am only a fanboy of games in general.
Again I would stress that the 360 is loud but not as loud as many suggest. When playing DVD's although it is louder than my DVD player it is far from intrusive (apart from if you have the sound right down on your tv, which most people will not be doing). It is also (wheather you like it or not) louder than many PCs. Some people will have high spec pcs with sound proofing and silent cooling systems and in that case the 360 will be louder (although also a lot cheaper).
I am not saying that I would not like it to be silent but it certainly is not a problem.
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Might just go to Computer Exchange and p**s them off by asking how much on Trade with a copy in my hand haha!
hopefully i'll be past the first cutscene by sunday morning. which would be 1 week exactly since my 360 RROD'd. (is that right?) 
