No, it isn't skipping a year as some (including us) were beginning to suspect. Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 will be out this autumn, Konami has just confirmed.
The announcement is tight on specific details, but teases a "stunning graphical update", as well as new moves and "innovative new control elements".
The game's headed to PS3, 360, PC, PSP and PS2. No mention of a Wii version, though.
Update: CVG contacted a Konami rep who did not deny the possibility that a Wii version was in development. The previous game only hit Wii earlier this year, so it could be another delayed release this time round, too. Update ends.
Here's the official blurb:
PES 2009 is the latest installment of the award-winning Pro Evolution Soccer Series, which is known by millions of fans for its superior gameplay and incredible realism. For PES 2009, Konami is already planning a raft of extensive new additions that will further bridge the gap between PES and the real thing.
The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts.
Similarly, all-new options allow users to tailor the game to their own tastes, while new moves, innovative new control elements and key online elements will further the realism of the new game.
Its all too little too late Konami. EA and Fifa are kicking your ass all over the pitch and it bloody well serves you right!! And i would put money on the online element of PES still being very broken!
Blah blah blah. Who cares about graphical updates? This series used to be a dead cert pre-order for me but they're getting nothing from me until I know they've sorted out their net code.
Thanks god a decent football game is coming. FIFA is the best football Sim out of PES and FIFA, but FIFA just cant cope with the gameplay, last time i looked players could run half the length of the pitch in under 1 minute, and most arent fat *stares at FIFA*
i really hope they have at least 2v2 online and that there's no lag and that the game is smooth throughout. there's no excusing stuttering in a footy game on the 360 or PS3.
look at it this way, can it be any worse than last years abortion (especailly the PS3 verion). methinks i'll be taking a close look at both PES and Fifa this year before opting for one. hopefully fifa is the real deal this year. last one was just too slow, the players needed an injection of pace but EURO2008 seemed to have that so its looking good baby.
Its all too little too late Konami. EA and Fifa are kicking your ass all over the pitch and it bloody well serves you right!! And i would put money on the online element of PES still being very broken!
are you the only person who shares your views?fifa is crap compared to pro evo. infact..fifa has changed its game to look and feel like pro evo
Talk is cheap, Konami...let's see the thing in motion and if the online lag issues have been sorted! And even worse, EA look like they're putting some serious effort into this years iteration of FIFA as well!
Its all too little too late Konami. EA and Fifa are kicking your ass all over the pitch and it bloody well serves you right!! And i would put money on the online element of PES still being very broken!
are you the only person who shares your views?fifa is crap compared to pro evo. infact..fifa has changed its game to look and feel like pro evo
Nope, that used to be the case but not anymore. Wudragon is spot on - the last version of Fifa was comfortably better than the latest PES (which I say as a long-standing masterleague addict). Fifa was always the whipping boy, but has finally learnt from PES and even outperformed it of late.
If the next PES doesn't have at least 2 vs 2 online play and some form of persistant online league, then I certainly won't be buying it. No-one needs to see Wayne Rooney's face in that much detail, but I do need decent multiplayer over the net...
Its just the same old 'Brazil vs Argentina' screenshots Konami use every year. The real truth of any game (sports in particular) comes with seeing it in action. Trailer please?
Its just the same old 'Brazil vs Argentina' screenshots Konami use every year. The real truth of any game (sports in particular) comes with seeing it in action. Trailer please?
Exactly what I thought. Does this really look as if it has had a huge graphical update from last year? - doesn't look like it to me.
Come on Konami....this is ridiculous, there is no way that FIFA should be getting anywhere near PES - sort it out and give us something to get excited over....this really isn't it
It certainly looks impressive but the gameplay needs a vast improvement from last year. To release the game with that much lag last year was unacceptable and I hope that this will return the series to it's glory PS2 days. I used to be a huge FIFA fan before I switched allegiances because FIFA lost it's way and still has. I bought FIFA 08 but I just found it too slow and what I've read suggests that FIFA 09 will be slower than Euro 2008 so EA won't be getting my £40 this year unless the speed is increased vastly.
Its all too little too late Konami. EA and Fifa are kicking your ass all over the pitch and it bloody well serves you right!! And i would put money on the online element of PES still being very broken!
are you the only person who shares your views?fifa is crap compared to pro evo. infact..fifa has changed its game to look and feel like pro evo
FIFA is far from crap in comparison - PES has a lot to do with this version to ensure that it stays on top, I don't think it's ever had this level of competition.
This could be the year it loses its' crown - it'd be sad if it happened, but Konami would only have themselves to blame.
It's pointless releasing this sort of information every year, new graphics, gameplay, control, just tell us whos got sponsored kits and if there's any lag!
Not that it'll change anything, I'm buying it when it comes out either way, Fifa is absolutely pants compared to Pro Evo, even last years complete balls up from Konami is still streets ahead of fifa's best attempt!
I'd like more info but at the end of the day Pro Evo is the best and I'll get the updated version every year! Bring it on!!
FIFA is far from crap in comparison - PES has a lot to do with this version to ensure that it stays on top, I don't think it's ever had this level of competition.
This could be the year it loses its' crown - it'd be sad if it happened, but Konami would only have themselves to blame.
Its like I've said all along: Konami are just crap now. They have been for years. They don't make anything remotely interesting anymore
Sort it out Konami. PES2008 on PS2 was excellent. PES2008 on 360/PS3 was an abomination.
This is just some of the things the lazy, complacent PES Konami team should do to this next one :
* Improve Master League and make it more like a management sim, not the basic p**s-take that it currently is * Improve the outdated menus. Small thing but why have PSOne style outdated menus? C'mon * Acquire more Prem. League licenses. Failing that, at least have the correct stadiums for the big teams. Where is Anfield? Where is the Emirates? * Improve passes in the air, which are vital in real football. They are too ineffective in the current versions * Small details like more animations, more individualised player animations, more weather effects, more random effects like player dissent etc
Sort it out Konami. PES2008 on PS2 was excellent. PES2008 on 360/PS3 was an abomination.
This is just some of the things the lazy, complacent PES Konami team should do to this next one :
* Improve Master League and make it more like a management sim, not the basic p**s-take that it currently is * Improve the outdated menus. Small thing but why have PSOne style outdated menus? C'mon * Acquire more Prem. League licenses. Failing that, at least have the correct stadiums for the big teams. Where is Anfield? Where is the Emirates? * Improve passes in the air, which are vital in real football. They are too ineffective in the current versions * Small details like more animations, more individualised player animations, more weather effects, more random effects like player dissent etc
And that is just for single player. Online is another question.
This will be the last chance saloon in terms of my buying of the series unless it is very good and improves on the myriad problems with 2008.
As others have said, 2v2 online and lag free gaming is essential, but they should be aiming for 4v4 and persistent leagues/tournaments at least to help make up for the mess they created for us last time.
You'd have thought with the laws of intelligence they'd sort this one out, so I'm hopeful they'll get things right this time, to an extent.
Wait a second, the main reason people didn't like the last one was because of the online? I always wondered what was wrong with PES 2008 that had people so annoyed with it, when I found it to be perfectly good game, but suffered from too few improvements.
Who wants to play a game like this against an invisible opponent. Play with mates in the same room and it is ten times more enjoyable (scientifically proven.)
Once again this generation of consoles is showing signs of neglecting the one thing, in my eyes, that could possibly steer me away from a PC. Consoles used to be more about the social play but now everyone wants to be online (general comment about consoles, not aimed at Konami.) Here's an idea Konami, stop this bitching about online play and drop it completely.
As for the licenses, they aren't allowed to have any more than 2 Premiership clubs in each iteration. So don't expect more any time soon.
Wait a second, the main reason people didn't like the last one was because of the online? I always wondered what was wrong with PES 2008 that had people so annoyed with it, when I found it to be perfectly good game, but suffered from too few improvements.
Who wants to play a game like this against an invisible opponent. Play with mates in the same room and it is ten times more enjoyable (scientifically proven.)
Once again this generation of consoles is showing signs of neglecting the one thing, in my eyes, that could possibly steer me away from a PC. Consoles used to be more about the social play but now everyone wants to be online (general comment about consoles, not aimed at Konami.) Here's an idea Konami, stop this bitching about online play and drop it completely.
As for the licenses, they aren't allowed to have any more than 2 Premiership clubs in each iteration. So don't expect more any time soon.
I know what you mean - last years version was certainly playable (I still pop it on from time to time) and it's great with someone else playing in the same room against you, but bad online is practically unforgiveable in this day and age.
My main gripe with PES 2008 is the fact that it's just too damn easy to run through the opposition with pretty much any player. I mean, sure - I expect it with players like Messi or Ronaldinho, but not with some Centre-Back from Vitesse Arnhem - it just seems way too quick and easy to break through the defence.
I personally would love to see the series take a couple of steps back (PES 5) and build on that framework. Improve the Master League (just give us more options....not full management), expand the Edit features, upgrade the visuals and the player animations and keep it tactical!
Pro Evo always gets me excited but the last 2 have lost that bit of magic that the previous ones had. I'd like to see changing weather conditions, games which kick off at ebvening times to change from day to night, I want to be able to make me own kits but keep the templates so the sponsor stays etc, premier league licence is a must and make it more like 5!
Wait a second, the main reason people didn't like the last one was because of the online? I always wondered what was wrong with PES 2008 that had people so annoyed with it, when I found it to be perfectly good game, but suffered from too few improvements.
Who wants to play a game like this against an invisible opponent. Play with mates in the same room and it is ten times more enjoyable (scientifically proven.)
Once again this generation of consoles is showing signs of neglecting the one thing, in my eyes, that could possibly steer me away from a PC. Consoles used to be more about the social play but now everyone wants to be online (general comment about consoles, not aimed at Konami.) Here's an idea Konami, stop this bitching about online play and drop it completely.
As for the licenses, they aren't allowed to have any more than 2 Premiership clubs in each iteration. So don't expect more any time soon.
My main gripe with PES 2008 is the fact that it's just too damn easy to run through the opposition with pretty much any player. I mean, sure - I expect it with players like Messi or Ronaldinho, but not with some Centre-Back from Vitesse Arnhem - it just seems way too quick and easy to break through the defence.
I personally would love to see the series take a couple of steps back (PES 5) and build on that framework. Improve the Master League (just give us more options....not full management), expand the Edit features, upgrade the visuals and the player animations and keep it tactical!
Please make it clear you are talking about PES2008 360/PS3 version. As you certainly can't run through the defence with any player in the PS2 version.
There is a massive difference between the two. It is a shame really, as a lot of people opted for the 360/PS3 version which was awful. PES2008 on PS2 on the other hand is up there with PES5. But having said that, it is still not enough of an improvement.
f**k the graphics, sort the gameplay out first. I didn't even bother to get online because the gameplay was too fast and there wasn't enough skill needed. I wish I hadn't sold my PS2 so I could still be playing PES6 right now.
Oh yes!!!.. I'm soooo glad PES are releasing it this year!.. I know the last installment sucked ass very muchly, but I dont think Konami could make the same mistake twice eh
Smooth the gameplay out, sort out the online play issues.. and i'll be happy
Looking at the screenshots, they have definitely improved the looks. PES was starting to look abit bland. Plus, those crazy Japs are still the best when it comes to closely replicating faces over FIFA - animation is usually better too, even if recent PES's felt lacking in variety.
Reality check, PES has taken backwards steps since PES 5, and I must admit that FIFA has certainly come on leaps and bounds in recent years. Especially when it comes to online modes, Interactive Leagues, Be a Pro etc. both great ideas that work well.
PES 2008 although another overall disappointment, did show promise over the awful PES 6. Presentation was improved 2 vs 2 To be able to take your edited Master League team, and face-mapped players online in 'Player Matches' Open ended save slots for those with hard drives Allow for online Leagues, Tournaments etc.
Personally I think apart from the online lag which was horrendous last time round, they need to sort out the refs, they're too strict, blowing up for slight knocks or barges which in the EPL would just be play on. Also the offsides really need to be sorted out, the amount of times a player is caught offside is ridiculous, its almost as if the players don't fully understand the offside rule!
Guys if you really think it doesn't lok different then go over to:
www.winningelevenblog.com
There's comparison between this years and last and they are actually much better.
Also there's a fairly big rumour goin around, almost guranteed by the wenb staff but without wanting to get someone fired cant give a source, that messi is the new cover star of PES 2009.
Come on guys have some faith in Konami, maybe not for last year, but the 6 pro evo's before it and ps1 games and all!
I agree with an earlier post, the referees need sorting out big time as some of the decisions they make are horrendous. A straight red card for a mis-timed one footed slide tackle is silly and also a penalty given when you don't even press the tackle button is stupid so this needs sorting out. I think FIFA will remain the king of online and to be honest, I'd rather they sort out the main game first and maybe take a year off from online to give them more time to perfect it. The editing in PES 2008 was quite frankly awful, you could create really good replica's on the PS2 but it was very limited on the next gen versions. Also, as already stated, the menus need sorting out as they look very dated and the main menu needs to return to the old style rather than the scroll down menu of 2008 which was not helpful.
The one thing i wish for every year (and never get) is the ability to pick teams from lower leagues.
Im a wolves fan through and through and i REALLY want to play as my team in PES.
It'd be great to be able to pick a team in the conference too - and try and take them to the prem'
....this once again is something that Fifa offers, so why oh why dont Konami address the issue??
tbh, everyone has always accused EA of being the big evil yearly update monster - but at least there actually making inroads to improve Fifa as a series. Konami have always had the heart of gamers when it comes to footy games, but tbh - the last 2 games have been a shambles.
Lack of licences, strips, stadiums - complete disreard for any team lower than the prem and Lag both on and offline. for me thats 100% unacceptable and Konami are pretty much nearing there last chance as far as im concerned.
Everybody is going mad here about pes saying it needs this and that to make it better than last years pes. I am sure konami reads these forums or other pes websites and they know they cant afford to let pes go down the drain as they will lose so much money. I think this years pes will be back to the best.
Its all too little too late Konami. EA and Fifa are kicking your ass all over the pitch and it bloody well serves you right!! And i would put money on the online element of PES still being very broken!
are you the only person who shares your views?fifa is crap compared to pro evo. infact..fifa has changed its game to look and feel like pro evo
FIFA has changed its game to look and feel like Pro Evo? What was the last FIFA game you played?
FIFA 08's menus are miles ahead of PES08's in effectiveness and being, well... modern, for starters. Not only that, it looks (and plays) much more realistically. Sure, Kenwyne Jones didn't look like the real Kenwyne Jones in FIFA 08 - but he wasn't even on PES08! The squad research was absolutely awful. On Sunderlands team alone, 3 players signed after Jones were in the squad, and 2 players who left before Jones arrived were also in the squad. Absolutely awful mistake, it could have easily been rectified if they went to the wikipedia page or the official site.
The only downside of FIFA is the shooting - the ball can seem too floaty at times. (I suggest anyone playing FIFA sets their shot to 'semi-assisted' or 'manual', as 'assisted' will always go in the same direction).
Im not convinced, , doesnt sound like theyve done anything apart from update the graphics, pes 6 and pes 7 were poor, ill wait before i purchase i think.
My view is that, in recent years, Fifa has outgrown pes, pes 5 was stunning but this years fifa and euro 2008 are very good games, far superior to pes 08, ive had plenty of experience with both but euro 2008 is unquestionably better than pes 08.
Wait a second, the main reason people didn't like the last one was because of the online? I always wondered what was wrong with PES 2008 that had people so annoyed with it, when I found it to be perfectly good game, but suffered from too few improvements.
Who wants to play a game like this against an invisible opponent. Play with mates in the same room and it is ten times more enjoyable (scientifically proven.)
Once again this generation of consoles is showing signs of neglecting the one thing, in my eyes, that could possibly steer me away from a PC. Consoles used to be more about the social play but now everyone wants to be online (general comment about consoles, not aimed at Konami.) Here's an idea Konami, stop this bitching about online play and drop it completely.
As for the licenses, they aren't allowed to have any more than 2 Premiership clubs in each iteration. So don't expect more any time soon.
My main gripe with PES 2008 is the fact that it's just too damn easy to run through the opposition with pretty much any player. I mean, sure - I expect it with players like Messi or Ronaldinho, but not with some Centre-Back from Vitesse Arnhem - it just seems way too quick and easy to break through the defence.
I personally would love to see the series take a couple of steps back (PES 5) and build on that framework. Improve the Master League (just give us more options....not full management), expand the Edit features, upgrade the visuals and the player animations and keep it tactical!
Please make it clear you are talking about PES2008 360/PS3 version. As you certainly can't run through the defence with any player in the PS2 version.
There is a massive difference between the two. It is a shame really, as a lot of people opted for the 360/PS3 version which was awful. PES2008 on PS2 on the other hand is up there with PES5. But having said that, it is still not enough of an improvement.
The reason PES2008 on the PS2 was so close to PES5 is simple. It was actually PES6. They changed so little it might as well have been an April Fool's joke. I know a few people who felt robbed after paying for a 'new' version only to find Konami had repackaged the previous year's game to save time/effort/money and make a killing. At least they tried to change things with PES2008 on the next gen consoles.
i think that the game has been so popular in the past that loads of people bought it but the the online side of things ruined it!playing a proper pes match against random joe from ? would be fantastic but konami made such an bottom of it the will have lost fans to fifa!i really hope they sort it out cos id love it if the did. it was waaay to easy to score as well
The only downside of FIFA is the shooting - the ball can seem too floaty at times. (I suggest anyone playing FIFA sets their shot to 'semi-assisted' or 'manual', as 'assisted' will always go in the same direction).
Have you seen the shooting in PES2008? One minute its like kicking a lead balloon, next thing the lead's been replaced by helium!
Also, did the nets in 2008 annoy anyone else? Sure they looked great when the ball hit 'em, but how many teams have loose nets like that? Id like some proper tight, sqaure, Premier League nets this time.
Also, GET RID OF MARK 'WOODEN' LAWRENCESON! He sounds worse than some people in my GCSE drama class!
Also, give us more choice of boots! If not licenced then let us edit them like in PES 4, 5 & 6.
They may all seem like petty things, but that means they're easy to fix.
One of the things that annoys me about both games and it might just be me as i play in goal but the Keepers don't have enough animations.Where are the 1 handed dives and tips over the bars,i know they do both of these but they both look very poor and unnatural.
One of the things that annoys me about both games and it might just be me as i play in goal but the Keepers don't have enough animations.Where are the 1 handed dives and tips over the bars,i know they do both of these but they both look very poor and unnatural.
Yeah you're right. There are a lot of small things Konami PES team could and should sort out instead of sitting on their a$$ being idle.
That keeper suggestion is spot on. There are too few keeper animations. Where are the foot or leg saves? There are only hand saves. Sounds trivial but these are all part of football.
Where are the keeper flapping at crosses animations a la Reina style?
I would add the ability to pick your own international teams instead of being lumped with the default one they gave you.
Let's face it, this is a whole generation on from the ps2 games yet the 360/ps3 versions are actually worse. With that sort of power at their fingertips they can't even stop slowdown in an offline game - pathetic.
Ability to run in more than 8 directionsCoin toss at start of match
Real time graphic effects - ie progressive weather, lighting, pitch condition and kit dirt
Tweaked animations
No lag or ball appearing in Keepers hands online
Better AI. Keepers who run back across goal rather than towards ball and defenders who can actually track player runs.
No annoying own goals from rubbish defender AI.
Many more licences
Better presentation
That is a good list of suggested improvements and I would agree with them.
Especially adding the ability to move in more than 8 directions. Some players who have low stats in the game move in a ridiculously restricted manner. Seems almost if it's - Forward, right, left, Back in terms of movement.
Also weather effects have been pathetically basic and unchanged for years, i.e Sun, rain, night or Snow. That is it.
Lastly, the better defenders should track runs in the box like you suggested. Too many times the striker is standing completely unmarked after a jog in the box, even on the harder settings.
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