One analyst believes that Xbox 360 "has lost significant momentum" to its rivals, and suggests a price cut alone isn't enough to win over the mainstream consumer.
On Wednesday, Signal Hill analyst Todd Greenwald said in his E3 preview note, "We think the 360 has lost significant momentum to both the Wii and PS3, especially in Europe, and is in need of both a price cut and new features to bring in mainstream gamers beyond the Halo/Call of Duty/GTA crowd.
"Hopefully, Microsoft will have something else up its sleeve [at E3], such as a new motion-enabled controller (to better compete with the Wii)."
A motion-enabled controller had been rumoured for Xbox 360, although it's unclear whether or not such a controller will come to fruition.
A $50 price drop to $299 for the Xbox 360 Pro model also looks likely later this week.
As the Xbox 360 moves closer to the $199 mainstream sweet-spot, Microsoft Game Studios is concentrating on delivering more mass market-friendly titles. Internal studio Rare is developing the mainstream title Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, and very convincing rumors say that the singing game Lips will soon be announced, on top of (also rumoured) Xbox Live customizable avatars.
Microsoft is slated to deliver its E3 conference on Monday, July 14.
Greenwald also commented on other game makers, such as EA, whose E3 line-up, he says, is "promising yet unproven." Upcoming EA games include Spore, Mirror's Edge, Mercenaries 2, Dragon Age, Dead Space, Warhammer: Age of Reckoning and others.
He added that a playable Saints Row 2 could ease investors worried about THQ's prospects.
The only cut needed is the analyst's wages! What a load of crap, the games are far superior to PS3's small catalogue. And the Wii is ok short term playing, but lets face it not in depth gaming. I have all 3 and im not bias at all! The only complaint about gaming, is that games seem to be shorter and shorter!
I dearly love the little white box, but this analyst is probably right. The 360's momentum has slowed significantly, perhaps due in part to market saturation?
Also though with all the new features being added to the PS3 (even if they are just poorly-supported ones which don't yet bring it into line with the features offered by the xbox360 dashboard) its easy to say that MS is stagnating a little with plenty of rumoured new features and ideas but nothing announced. There hasn't been a dashboard update in what feels like forever- not that is particularly needs one, but news stories about features being added are always good press.
That said, it does make sense to an extent that MS might have let the PS3 take some of the hype for a while. MGS4 was always going to be big news, and little MS could have done at the time could really have competed with something that hyped up. But looking to the horizon, we have the big E3 unveil of whatever it is MS has up its sleeve, and towards the end of the year massive titles such as Fable 2 and Gears of War 2, both are which are looking better and better everytime we see something new, whereas I can't think of a single upcoming high-profile title on the Wii calendar, and the PS3 only really has LittleBig Planet, Killzone 2, and Resistance 2 to offer, the latter two of which are something of an unknown quantity, despite the hype surrounding them.
I love my 360 but I'm definately not a hardcore gamer. Does this mean I'm part of the mainstream that the analyst in question speaks of?
I've seen nothing other than the odd 'mainstream' title in the works for the PS3 that would persuade me to buy one and most of the Wii's catalouge simply doesn't appeal to me either.
In terms of shifting more console units, yes, micrososft may need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to keep pace with their rivals. In terms of actually selling software which is where the money lies, I think they'll be just fine. Everyone knows the manufacturers don't make an awful lot of profit (if any) on the console units themselves. As the 360 already has a whopping install base with the highest attach rate in the market, you have to question the validity of the argument.
To highlight the point, my wife owns a Wii and she's bought 4 games in 18 months. In 2 years of owning a 360 I've bought 16 titles.
I dearly love the little white box, but this analyst is probably right. The 360's momentum has slowed significantly, perhaps due in part to market saturation?
Also though with all the new features being added to the PS3 (even if they are just poorly-supported ones which don't yet bring it into line with the features offered by the xbox360 dashboard) its easy to say that MS is stagnating a little with plenty of rumoured new features and ideas but nothing announced. There hasn't been a dashboard update in what feels like forever- not that is particularly needs one, but news stories about features being added are always good press.
That said, it does make sense to an extent that MS might have let the PS3 take some of the hype for a while. MGS4 was always going to be big news, and little MS could have done at the time could really have competed with something that hyped up. But looking to the horizon, we have the big E3 unveil of whatever it is MS has up its sleeve, and towards the end of the year massive titles such as Fable 2 and Gears of War 2, both are which are looking better and better everytime we see something new, whereas I can't think of a single upcoming high-profile title on the Wii calendar, and the PS3 only really has LittleBig Planet, Killzone 2, and Resistance 2 to offer, the latter two of which are something of an unknown quantity, despite the hype surrounding them.
I'm certainly aware that Sony have a secret game in the wings that does not form part of the above list. PS mags are remaining tight lipped. And that doesn't add possible E3 surprises/exclusives and possible announcements from the likes of Naughty Dog or Insomniac. God Of War 3 is also tipped to be shown for the first time.
I'd say PS3 was potentially just as exciting as any of the competition, if anything they're all doing exactly what we expect: catering for their core demographics.
The only problem with the 360 at the moment is the lack of a recent big, exclusive game. Not since before xmas has anything out of the ordinary found its way into the shops. The PS3 hasn't been much better, but MGS4 has made the PS3 exciting as a product and the Wii has (like it or loath it) released Wii Fit. Whatever MS show us at E3, I personally believe that they need to get the bloody games on the shelves asap.
Anyone think it might just be because it's been out about 3 years already? It's halfway through it's life, of course it's lost the initial momentum and hype that came with it. Just like the Wii and PS3 will when they've been out as long too.
What is it about analysts that prevents them understanding the real world? You can't peak from beginning to end. Of all people, they should get that.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
I'm certainly aware that Sony have a secret game in the wings that does not form part of the above list. PS mags are remaining tight lipped. And that doesn't add possible E3 surprises/exclusives and possible announcements from the likes of Naughty Dog or Insomniac. God Of War 3 is also tipped to be shown for the first time.
Im not going to base future hopes on an unnamed, unknown game. Nor on E3 surprises from third parties that may or may not happen. We know MS have something planned for E3, and we know it really needs to be big, big enough to revitalise interest in the 360 again.
Anyone think it might just be because it's been out about 3 years already? It's halfway through it's life, of course it's lost the initial momentum and hype that came with it. Just like the Wii and PS3 will when they've been out as long too.
What is it about analysts that prevents them understanding the real world? You can't peak from beginning to end. Of all people, they should get that.
My thoughts exactly! No need to introduce kid-pleasing avatars and whatnot just because your console has been out the longest. No console EVER maintains peak sales momentum when it's been out for as long as this. Not that I'm against new features and free XboxLive (let's wait for E3 shall we...)
The day I see a quote from an industry analyst and don't immediately think "No sh!t Sherlock" is the day I buy every film tie-in game ever released (i.e. never)
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
er, GTA4, isnt that the biggest title on sony's consoles? what other big titles are left?
MS has done better at bringing new titles to the market where as Sony rely on sequels. sequels do well as people know what to expect, almost all of Sony BIG titles are sequels and in time so will MS, its just that they haven't been in the business as long.
While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
"The PS3 is still evolving..." into what? The console that it should have had from day one? Seriously, we're talking about GAMES consoles here and the 360 has got quality GAMES spilling out of it's ears. This is not a Sony-bash, I just think it's silly to say that the 360 has 'run out of tricks' when it has so much quality to offer (back catalogue and named future releases + whatever it is that MS pump out at E3).
Would a crappy web browser and 'MySpace lite' add-on make the 360 any more appealing? No. None of the consoles is going anywhere soon since they all have plenty to offer. Sales always decrease over time because MORE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT ONE
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
Yep. The 360's biggest game has come and gone (Halol) and despite having a pretty good catalogue of games, most people who want one already have one. The only way of boosting sales is hoping that the machines of people who are coming to the end of their 3 year warranty RROD so they have to actually BUY a new one instead of getting it replaced again.
I've heard disturbing reports of some people even losing their MS Points that they were bribed with for buying GTA4. 500 points just gone with no explanation and no help from customer service.
Yep. The 360's biggest game has come and gone (Halol) and despite having a pretty good catalogue of games, most people who want one already have one. The only way of boosting sales is hoping that the machines of people who are coming to the end of their 3 year warranty RROD so they have to actually BUY a new one instead of getting it replaced again.
Again, I find myself wondering why people are so concerned with sales figures as a measure of a console's quality? All 3 consoles have sold shed loads already, what happens from here on in is just tedious financial details for CEO's and has zero impact on the entertainment that you get from your console.
I think you're kidding yourself if you think that we've seen the last of the Halo series, and I'd argue that Gears 2 is just as big a title for the 360 this year as Bungie's last. We've not even had E3 yet and you reckon that the 360 has peaked already? That's just as silly as me suggesting that the PS3's biggest game has already been and gone (MGS4) - see? silly.
Anyone think it might just be because it's been out about 3 years already? It's halfway through it's life, of course it's lost the initial momentum and hype that came with it. Just like the Wii and PS3 will when they've been out as long too.
What is it about analysts that prevents them understanding the real world? You can't peak from beginning to end. Of all people, they should get that.
Was thinking the same. Then there's the brand loyalty with Sony too in Europe/Asia and the huge amount of mainstream press nintendo have received (which was all Sony's in the last two generations).
I suppose they can look at sales history/rates, sales trends, peaks etc, but I'll definitely draw the line at listening to them on what upcoming games look interesting!
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
er, GTA4, isnt that the biggest title on sony's consoles? what other big titles are left?
MS has done better at bringing new titles to the market where as Sony rely on sequels. sequels do well as people know what to expect, almost all of Sony BIG titles are sequels and in time so will MS, its just that they haven't been in the business as long.
God of War, FF13, FFv13, Wipeout (proper one), Tekken,Resistance 2, Ico3, GT5, Jak, Heavy Rain, Agency, DC universe, LBP, Infamous and Killzone 2.
I'd say thats sony's big exclusives, probably add drakes fortune 2 and maybe even siren considering it scored 9 out of 10 on eurogamer
Yet again we have the sad Sony parasites falling over themselves saying how many great games are coming to the lonely black box. Only yesterday we saw some utterly s**te pictures of Killzone 2 which up until 48 hours ago was going to be "the one!" to show what the PS3 can really do and yet again it's looking like a real dogs dinner, just like that other supposed amazing title, Haze!
Wake up and smell the coffee ffs, the machine is primarily a BR player with a tacked on games facility, that is average at best. Still you can still spout on and on and on... about LBP until that also ends up being an abortion I suppose!!
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
er, GTA4, isnt that the biggest title on sony's consoles? what other big titles are left?
MS has done better at bringing new titles to the market where as Sony rely on sequels. sequels do well as people know what to expect, almost all of Sony BIG titles are sequels and in time so will MS, its just that they haven't been in the business as long.
I assume you mean Microsoft are the best at bringing new third party titles to the market because as far as new first party titles go Sony are owning the competition at the moment.
isnt microsofts big suprise their disgraceful wii remote rip off, which will work with banjo galaxy
ooh and another halol game! the 5th (if u cant wars) in 7 years
Don't you think it's a bit silly to criticise sequels when your last post contained so many numbers?
God of War 3, FF13, Wipeout Next, Tekken 99?, Resistance 2, Ico3, GT5, Killzone 2....etc. etc.
Since when is more of a good thing ever bad? The 360 certainly isn't a Halo box anymore - I think it even has more RTS and RPG titles than the PS3 at the mo.
Oh, and if you're going to criticise naff wavey-shakey Wiimote ripoffs then I assume you don't use the sixAxis with your PS3?
All the major manufacturers rob ideas from each other, and if you think for one minute that Nintendo 'invented' the idea then you're very much mistaken...
isnt microsofts big suprise their disgraceful wii remote rip off, which will work with banjo galaxy
ooh and another halol game! the 5th (if u cant wars) in 7 years
Don't you think it's a bit silly to criticise sequels when your last post contained so many numbers?
God of War 3, FF13, Wipeout Next, Tekken 99?, Resistance 2, Ico3, GT5, Killzone 2....etc. etc.
Since when is more of a good thing ever bad? The 360 certainly isn't a Halo box anymore - I think it even has more RTS and RPG titles than the PS3 at the mo.
Oh, and if you're going to criticise naff wavey-shakey Wiimote ripoffs then I assume you don't use the sixAxis with your PS3?
All the major manufacturers rob ideas from each other, and if you think for one minute that Nintendo 'invented' the idea then you're very much mistaken...
nothing wrong with sequels to good games, but 5 in 7 years! lol! they might aswell just do a halo every year and add the date to each new one like EA. Halo 2009, 2010 etc
and its one thing having a poor rip off like the sixaxis its another to just totally copy the wii remote, its mini games, mario galaxy and Miis as well! what next microsoft Fit? although they are releasing 'Lips' arent they
whats up with all these xbots crying their concole is slowing in sales?
aren't PS2 sales still strong and have been since its release? its not exactly got any exclusives coming out for it that are that major but sales are still good.
i'd love it that at E3 microsoft unviel the new xbox to replace the 360. i would actually buy one and not sell it straight on this time.
whats xbox got coming out next year as an exclusive. i'd wait and buy it on the new one!
errrr you have to remember the xbox 360 is 3 years old this year so losing momentum is gunna happen - anyone who likes the 360 has one anyone who has bad taste has a wii or ps3
Who pays these analysts? And why? I've got a Wii and after the first month I turned it off. I played Mario Galaxy (which was outstanding) and Zelda was great then I had...er...Wii Sports and Wii Play. My Mum liked that. The buying public seem so fickle. I don't WANT my consoles to be governed solely by people who play games once a week. My XBox gives me everything I want as a gamer and doesn't seem 'hardcore' - it's just a games machine! I'm waiting for the PS3 to pick up but it's certainly being a bit slow.
Analysts speak crap. Of course the 360 is losing momentum-it launched first and had to compete with sales of newer consoles. It's taken some of Sony's audience and that has to really be what was needed from the 360, with the next console hoping to go further (though i'm hoping Sony will have learnt from mistakes).
I'm not hoping for a motion sensing controller though-I seriously would hate that. It's gaming going down a bad road.
This was the problem that microsoft would always encounter. If you release it first, then your sales will decline first. They need to cut the price of live and get more big exclusives otherwise their sales will come to a halt. There is no point of them trying to get into the casual market, the wii owns it. What they are doing is the same as someone trying to beat the ipod. The ps3 will eventually look more tempting as it gets price cuts and already has no online subscription.
nothing wrong with sequels to good games, but 5 in 7 years! lol! they might aswell just do a halo every year and add the date to each new one like EA. Halo 2009, 2010 etc
and its one thing having a poor rip off like the sixaxis its another to just totally copy the wii remote, its mini games, mario galaxy and Miis as well! what next microsoft Fit? although they are releasing 'Lips' arent they
oh and 'scene it' microsoft lol
First of all, Halo wars is a 'Halo-themed' RTS developed by an entirely different studio, so no, I don't count that. Now you're down to one Halo game every 2 years (assuming that your figures are correct - I don't know what this 4th game is that you're including?) and suddenly your point looks pretty invalid.
"its one thing having a poor rip off like the sixaxis its another to just totally copy the wii remote" - what? now you're criticising MS for having better execution? (assuming that even release a Wiimote-style controller). That makes absolutely no sense.
Mini-games, platformers and ridiculous MyFace-style avatars (Home anyone?) are not Nintendo innovations either - why is it bad to offer people content that they might want on their console? If you don't like it, simply don't buy it.
No, Sony didn't invent Karaoke either. I'm glad MS are doing their own version of SingStar - I sure as hell won't buy it, but it's there for people who are interested in the genre and don't want to buy another console.
Oh dear, looks like Darth Vader and Yoda are at it again!
My only concerns regarding 360 are:
Why are MS so intent on trying to compete with the Wii? Will young kids and mothers just buy a Wii if that is what they want? The hardcore gamers have made the 360 what it is today and are generally not interested in motion control (commonly involving sixasis sucks posts!), especially for kids games.
I think that MS need a massive injection of imagination to differenciate themselves from the rest of the pack. Live is great but can only be regarded as second to games. They seem intent on buying as many (average) rpg's as they can to scupper Sony. Why not blow us all away with something fresh?
And people like Cliffy B just go to show who MS mostly relate to when it comes to gamers. People with no imagination, no patience, trigger happy, potty mouthed and, well, you get the picture.
I love my 360, but when all is said and done, I am more excited about what Sony will bring to the table at E3. Sony can be complete tosspots at times, but when it comes to exciting new prospects (the breakable pad!?) and new IP's (LBP), then there is no real competition in regards to stoking the imagination of gamers.
every machine has their merits but if i had to recommend just one system to a potential gamer i could only recommend the 360.
the best overall software line-up, best online services and best controller. downside is crap reliability and it's f'ing noisy.
Microsoft need to start advertising more on TV, Nintendo are on there all the time these days and it's helping them to kick ass. Sony will always get by through brand recognition alone. Microsoft need to make more effort.
I think a lot of people don't acknowledge the fact that the 360 will always have more games than the PS3. It has more games at the moment and will still probably have more games in two years. This is simply for the reason that it has been out the longest and has a head start.
I personally find this lesser-number-of-games criticism to be an increasingly irrelevant argument. It's like complaining that there aren't as many McDonalds in the UK as in America when there's still two in pretty much every town centre.
Although I suppose a lot of Americans probably do require a serious daily intake of big maccage so maybe one on every street corner would be appropriate.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
Well MS doesn't have the luxury of having such stupid fans. Maybe if MS spent the last three years promising the moon and delivering nothing like Sony the hype would still be there. I prefer to actually have a good game library than to simply be told I'll have one.
Yep. The 360's biggest game has come and gone (Halol) and despite having a pretty good catalogue of games, most people who want one already have one. The only way of boosting sales is hoping that the machines of people who are coming to the end of their 3 year warranty RROD so they have to actually BUY a new one instead of getting it replaced again.
Again, I find myself wondering why people are so concerned with sales figures as a measure of a console's quality? All 3 consoles have sold shed loads already, what happens from here on in is just tedious financial details for CEO's and has zero impact on the entertainment that you get from your console.
I think you're kidding yourself if you think that we've seen the last of the Halo series, and I'd argue that Gears 2 is just as big a title for the 360 this year as Bungie's last. We've not even had E3 yet and you reckon that the 360 has peaked already? That's just as silly as me suggesting that the PS3's biggest game has already been and gone (MGS4) - see? silly.
I agree people on hear are talking like its the dreamcast all over again when its clearly not.The 360 has a huge installed user base so i cant see there being a lack of titles for at least 2 years which by then we will all be awaiting the next generation of consoles.
Oh dear, looks like Darth Vader and Yoda are at it again!
I love my 360, but when all is said and done, I am more excited about what Sony will bring to the table at E3. Sony can be complete tosspots at times, but when it comes to exciting new prospects (the breakable pad!?) and new IP's (LBP), then there is no real competition in regards to stoking the imagination of gamers.
Now THAT is a fair point well made, rather than tedious 'I don't like MS' banner waving (*lightsabre clicks into 'safe' mode*). Sony does have better form for bringing interesting things to the table (although how much of this is down to Sony themselves rather than independent studios is debatable). In the PS2 days, Sony was the biggest thing since sliced bread, so they were bound to have an equally large slice of the innovative games to boot. Not so much this time around...
It's still relatively early days for MS in the 'fresh ideas' department, but since I really like shooters I can't say that I'm that concerned. Truely innovative titles are thin on the ground on EVERY console - I for one will hitting the shops the same day as Ico 3 does, but I wish Sony would get this sort of stuff out there quicker - they're not living up to their rep so far (E3 might change this?). At the moment, there's basically nothing beyond LBP that looks novel on any console.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
Well MS doesn't have the luxury of having such stupid fans. Maybe if MS spent the last three years promising the moon and delivering nothing like Sony the hype would still be there. I prefer to actually have a good game library than to simply be told I'll have one.
The 360 having a great library of stunning titles to choose from is somewhat a myth.
Sure, if you like FPS's, racing and other shooty games, the Xbox is ideal.
Looking past that, it really does not offer a lot to interest other tastes in gamers. Even a game like MGS4 is 10x more unique and original than any big release for the 360 in the last 12 months.
I also really like Sony's repair policy whereby they bring a brand new PS3 to your door and do a swap. If MS took note from this they would at least be able to partly placate the hordes of frustrated consumers. I for one would probably still have a 360 if I hadn't got sick of waiting two weeks without a console. IMO MS really take the p**s out of their customers.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
Well MS doesn't have the luxury of having such stupid fans. Maybe if MS spent the last three years promising the moon and delivering nothing like Sony the hype would still be there. I prefer to actually have a good game library than to simply be told I'll have one.
The 360 having a great library of stunning titles to choose from is somewhat a myth.
Sure, if you like FPS's, racing and other shooty games, the Xbox is ideal.
Looking past that, it really does not offer a lot to interest other tastes in gamers. Even a game like MGS4 is 10x more unique and original than any big release for the 360 in the last 12 months.
And what do we get promised from Microsoft?
More FPS's and racing games. I'm not interested.
Hello love monkey at least microsoft does have a library of games not a small bookshelf like the PS3
The 360 having a great library of stunning titles to choose from is somewhat a myth.
Sure, if you like FPS's, racing and other shooty games, the Xbox is ideal.
Looking past that, it really does not offer a lot to interest other tastes in gamers. Even a game like MGS4 is 10x more unique and original than any big release for the 360 in the last 12 months.
And what do we get promised from Microsoft?
More FPS's and racing games. I'm not interested.
"The 360 having a great library of stunning titles to choose from is somewhat a myth" is nothing but a PS3 fanboy myth.
Check the Metacritic top rated games for both consoles, they're almost haead to head for FPS games on there... Except the Xbox 360's exclusive FPS are far better.
To make add insult to injury, a lot of those games that are out on both systems are riding higher in the PS3 charts... Because the Xbox 360 exclusives push them down the charts on their own list.
Metacritic PS3 games
Metacritic Xbox 360 games
You can try and twist it any way you like it, but compared to last generation, Sony have taken a critical beating from both Microsoft and Nintendo.
Kind of sad, seeing how high they were riding last time around.
Granted, it was an issue when the PS3 first came out but there's now more than enough games to satisfy most new PS3 owners. With the exception of games like Gears the vast majority of gamers don't play current gen games that are like two years old. Hence, I think it's only really the past year's games which are going to interest potential buyers. How many people say "Ooo, gotta buy a 360. I really want to play Perfect Dark Zero and GRAW1"
Yeah 11 games rated over 90% Vs 4 rated over 90% Kind of says it all about the quality of the games libraries. (Though Uncharterd and Ratchet & Clank deserve over 90)
But back on topic, there are plenty of top quality games that can be picked up cheap now on 360 - something that is fuelling the PS2's continued success, once the hardware comes down another peg, it suddenly becomes more affordable for parents to buy thier kids, which is probably why MS are starting to produce more crappy family friendly content alongside the core offering.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
yeah i have to agree, the 360 seems to look like its run out of tricks and feels like its dying a slow death, while the Wii still has alot of potential for interesting games and has the huge casual market. While the PS3 is still evolving with its constant updates, its media capabilties and eventually home. Infact apart from MGS sony has yet to even realise its biggest titles
er, GTA4, isnt that the biggest title on sony's consoles? what other big titles are left?
MS has done better at bringing new titles to the market where as Sony rely on sequels. sequels do well as people know what to expect, almost all of Sony BIG titles are sequels and in time so will MS, its just that they haven't been in the business as long.
God of War, FF13, FFv13, Wipeout (proper one), Tekken,Resistance 2, Ico3, GT5, Jak, Heavy Rain, Agency, DC universe, LBP, Infamous and Killzone 2.
I'd say thats sony's big exclusives, probably add drakes fortune 2 and maybe even siren considering it scored 9 out of 10 on eurogamer
mostly sequels then and most of them i dont expect to be that good. out of interest, what do you know about heavy rain to assume it is going to be big? it hasn't been revealed yet.
isnt microsofts big suprise their disgraceful wii remote rip off, which will work with banjo galaxy
ooh and another halol game! the 5th (if u cant wars) in 7 years
your list of ps3 games to look forward to is:
GoW3, another wipeout sequel, final fantasy god knows what number now, resistance 2, killzone 2, tekken 93.
you also talk about MGS4 and GT5, where are sony's original games? i dont think you should put MS down for something Sony have been doing more of for years - rehashing games!!!
The 360 having a great library of stunning titles to choose from is somewhat a myth.
Sure, if you like FPS's, racing and other shooty games, the Xbox is ideal.
Looking past that, it really does not offer a lot to interest other tastes in gamers. Even a game like MGS4 is 10x more unique and original than any big release for the 360 in the last 12 months.
And what do we get promised from Microsoft?
More FPS's and racing games. I'm not interested.
each to their own but the 360 does have a better line up of games to suit all tastes regardless of what you think. i honestly believe you look at the 360 with your eyes closed as you just don't want to believe it has anything good to offer. at the end of the day you are the one missing out not the 360 owners.
I'm 'guessing' heavy rain will be big, because Sony decided to fund the game during development and publish it so it remains exclusive. Plus Farenheit was pretty good.
as for sony sequels there's been 5 gran turesmos and 6 tekkens in over 10 years. 4 project gothams in 6 years, looks like they'll be 5 halols in 7 years. apart from EA nonone pumps out more sequels in short spans of time like microsoft.
as for original sony ips instead of pumping out pure sequels like microsoft?
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a balance between original new games and sequels to good games is always nice. As someone else mentioned early, sony as a publisher/developer of good games pwns microsoft
even the Wii is pumping out more orignal games than microsoft. Although they are still new to games so maybe in the next gen they will actually have some of they own decent developers and orginal ips rather than throwing money around to get exclusives to games that they dont own or companies they dont own
each to their own but the 360 does have a better line up of games to suit all tastes regardless of what you think.
Soooo, what you're saying is that everybody's entitled to their own opinion...but yours is right?
And I shouldn't waste my time trying to argue but I do really disagree with that statement. Sony have been in the console market for far longer and hence have a larger variety of games IMO.
Wipeout = probably the best known futuristic racer ever. What do MS have apart from Quantum Redshift which I'm sure most 360 owners haven't even heard of.
Tekken = probably the best known 3d beat em up ever. What do MS have...Dead or Alive. Great!
Final Fantasy = probably the best known console rpg ever. What do Microsoft have...Blue Dragon.
Gran Turismo = probably the best known console racing series ever although admittedly MS have a good competitor with the PGR series.
SOCOM = probably the best known exclusive tactical shooter to grace consoles. I can't think of any big ones the 360 has that aren't on ps3.
Ratchet & Clank/Crash Bandicoot = two good platformers which might not live up to Mario but have carved their own niche in gaming history. What the hell do MS have apart from that fatass bear Panjo?
I can't be bottomd to continue but I think I've already proved my point. I'm not trying to mindlessly defend Sony and I do think they could've done a lot of things better. However, I think a lot of people forget that the reason why the 360 has more games and has sold more is simply because it has been out longer.
In the same way I'm sure 10 times more pc's have been sold than 360's. Does this then mean that the pc is 10x better than the 360? It certainly has 10x the number of games and much more variety.
each to their own but the 360 does have a better line up of games to suit all tastes regardless of what you think.
Soooo, what you're saying is that everybody's entitled to their own opinion...but yours is right?
And I shouldn't waste my time trying to argue but I do really disagree with that statement. Sony have been in the console market for far longer and hence have a larger variety of games IMO.
Wipeout = probably the best known futuristic racer ever. What do MS have apart from Quantum Redshift which I'm sure most 360 owners haven't even heard of.
Tekken = probably the best known 3d beat em up ever. What do MS have...Dead or Alive. Great!
Final Fantasy = probably the best known console rpg ever. What do Microsoft have...Blue Dragon.
Gran Turismo = probably the best known console racing series ever although admittedly MS have a good competitor with the PGR series.
SOCOM = probably the best known exclusive tactical shooter to grace consoles. I can't think of any big ones the 360 has that aren't on ps3.
Ratchet & Clank/Crash Bandicoot = two good platformers which might not live up to Mario but have carved their own niche in gaming history. What the hell do MS have apart from that fatass bear Panjo?
I can't be bottomd to continue but I think I've already proved my point. I'm not trying to mindlessly defend Sony and I do think they could've done a lot of things better. However, I think a lot of people forget that the reason why the 360 has more games and has sold more is simply because it has been out longer.
In the same way I'm sure 10 times more pc's have been sold than 360's. Does this then mean that the pc is 10x better than the 360? It certainly has 10x the number of games and much more variety.
Yeah that was a rather silly, contradictory statement by Pishers and a totally false one at that.
But I won't jump on him, as this xbot seems to be quite cordial and friendly.
Anyhoo, anyone with any sense will admit that the 360 has a largely limited diversity of games. And we all know what the main genre the xbot's have errotica about...
Of course its not going to sell as much as it once did. Having the huge headstart on the competition it did, most people who were going to buy a 360 have done so by now. What the analyst failed to point out was the 360 is still a huge sales success, wheather you like it or not.
is 360 dying? maybe, maybe that's why m$ is making wii-rip off remote to port all games from wii, to add few months of easy maded games, but this'll be step back, the future is in sony's hand, not so bright for now off course...
What a load of crap, the games are far superior to PS3's small catalogue.
First of all, "small catalogue"? At the moment, 20 months after it's release, the PS3 currently has well over 150 games available for it. The 360 might have more than that NOW (over 275), but 20 months after its release, there were a very similar number of 360 games available.
Anyway, having "superior" games is no guarantee of success. For one thing, "superior" is largely subjective; while you may consider particular titles to be "superior", many other people (especially members of the Wii's casual crowd) would consider them to be a colossal waste of time and/or steaming piles of crap.
Case in point, the Halo series: many, many people adore them, but there are also plenty of those who simply can't stand them. In this case, these are often the oldschool hardcore gamers who remember the true classic FPS' on the PC, and realize that Halo is nothing special whatsoever... especially if you've ever played Tribes 2; to these player's, it's the Halo fanatics who are "casual gamers".
Even if a game would be considered absolutely breathtakingly amazing by a large number of people, that doesn't automatically mean the game is going to sell well. First, the people who would enjoy a game have to have actually heard of it, be convinced to pay money for it (easier back when demos were plentiful and release before the game, but now not so much), and so on.
If the marketing fails, even the best games go down the pan. Almost all game made by Looking Glass Studios (System Shock, Thief, etc) are typically regarded as those who've played them as being absolutely fantastic, yet none of these games sold all that well.
As much as I hate analysts, he's right. 360 is old hat to the fickle console gaming public.
Ms xbox360 is dead I hear that the xbox3 is coming so quick to jump ship all the time MS are,what happened to the xbox?ps2 out sold xbox360 in japan by 3 to 1 last month.40 million users of ps2 were as ps3 and xbox360 have about 20 million users combined.speaks for its self.
Geez, Sony fanboys really are the nastiest bunch of little scotums out there. Fanboys need to discover girls- ones that aren't made of polygons.
Suivaloom- or King Wally as you probably should be called- what's with the constant 'shooty games' rubbish? Granted I love Halo and GoW but I have Mass Effect, Virtua Fighter, Condemned 2, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising, Devil May Cry 4 and PGR4 all sat on my games shelf next to them. Oh and the Orange Box. Is that really an overwhelming shooter ratio? Most of the shooters on the 360 are also on the PS3 so... what's your point?
I don't dislike the PS3 (and I think all the big companies are evil in their own way- especially nintendo), but as a games console it simply doesn't deliver. I'd love to play the few exclusives it has but I'm not forking out £300 for one simply for MGS and Uncharted- I'm not made of money. Unfortunately.
My 360 has never RROD'd me either- infact all it as done is consistently delivered great games. Fable 2 is my most wanted game this year on any format.
So sure, the 360 sales maybe declining- it's getting on a bit now, and yet despite this it's still matching the PS3 in terms of graphical prowess (Gow 2 looks much prettier than Killzone 2 in my opinion). If all it takes for a console to 'Win' a 'console war' (I hate those terms- so, so geeky), is a mass of deluded fanboys, then gaming is deader than a dead mans dead bits.
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Ratchet & Clank/Crash Bandicoot = two good platformers which might not live up to Mario but have carved their own niche in gaming history. What the hell do MS have apart from that fatass bear Panjo?
Err, well the 360 has... Crash Bandicoot. That series was sold off by Sony eight years ago! So far there's one Crash game on the 360, and as of October there'll be two. Bboth these games are/will be on the Wii, too, and neither will be on the PS3 (they are/will be on the PS2 though, oddly enough).
There were also four CB games on the original XBox, three on the GameCube, five on the Gameboy Advance, a couple on the Nintendo DS, and the next one will be available on the Wii. One is even available on the N-Gage. Please, check your facts in future!
Here's an exclusive awesome game series to replace the non-exclusive but still awesome Crash: Jak & Daxter.
Geez, Sony fanboys really are the nastiest bunch of little scotums out there. Fanboys need to discover girls- ones that aren't made of polygons.
Yeah, 'cos MS fanboys really are the greatest, most wonderful, coolest, biggest studs in existence, aren't they?
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Ratchet & Clank/Crash Bandicoot = two good platformers which might not live up to Mario but have carved their own niche in gaming history. What the hell do MS have apart from that fatass bear Panjo?
Err, well the 360 has... Crash Bandicoot. That series was sold off by Sony eight years ago! So far there's one Crash game on the 360, and as of October there'll be two. Bboth these games are/will be on the Wii, too, and neither will be on the PS3 (they are/will be on the PS2 though, oddly enough).
There were also four CB games on the original XBox, three on the GameCube, five on the Gameboy Advance, a couple on the Nintendo DS, and the next one will be available on the Wii. One is even available on the N-Gage. Please, check your facts in future!
Here's an exclusive awesome game series to replace the non-exclusive but still awesome Crash: Jak & Daxter.
Geez, Sony fanboys really are the nastiest bunch of little scotums out there. Fanboys need to discover girls- ones that aren't made of polygons.
Yeah, 'cos MS fanboys really are the greatest, most wonderful, coolest, biggest studs in existence, aren't they?
(BTW in case you can't tell, that was sarcasm.)
Never said they were- infact I stated ALL fanboys need to get girlfriends. However, when it comes to arrogance, spite and pure single mindedness- the PS fanboys seem to be winning... On this site at least.
No need to add patronizing to that list either there, missy!
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