I'm not gonna start a fanboy war, why a console owner could be gutted their title is gonna be played by more people than its normal userbase is beyond me. I'm a huge FF fan but Playstation have offered me nothing this generation, so the fact I am gonna be able to play it makes me really chuffed!
no halo, no motion controls, no forza 3, the big suprise was final fantasy which is also going to be released on a rival console aswell? is there another microsoft conference coming up, that was a bit lame
As long as they don't have to sacrifice quality to make it so. FFXII was 4gb, if this isn't on multiple DVDs then someone is cutting big corners.If this game is 1080p with 7.1 surround sound then all is dandy.
I've said this is another thread and I'll repeat it in this, I feel cheated. I bought a PS3 soley for MGS4 and FF13, two games I though had no chance of being released on 360. Look how wrong I was... While I also have a 360 I simply can't believe Sony have allowed this to happen. All they have left now is God of War 3, and god knows when that'll be released... Sony now officially have no chance of catching 360 up. Game over.
I've said this is another thread and I'll repeat it in this, I feel cheated. I bought a PS3 soley for MGS4 and FF13, two games I though had no chance of being released on 360. Look how wrong I was... While I also have a 360 I simply can't believe Sony have allowed this to happen. All they have left now is God of War 3, and god knows when that'll be released... Sony now officially have no chance of catching 360 up. Game over.
lol thats what you get for buying a £300+ console for just 2 3RD PARTY games then
Oh no! Not another PS3 exclusive! I'm sick of playing them! I'm only kidding folks.
This is seriously one sucker punch to sony's collective face though. I haven't enjoyed a FF game since after 7... don't even get me started on the atrocity that was advent children and how they're milking it to death... and making it rubbish.
Ahem- so, I'm not too bothered about this- but I'm guessing a lot of people are...
I wanted to play GTA4. Sony didn't want to sell me a PS3 (ludicrous price, gimped console - too small a HD given mandatory installs, only the 2 usb ports, no backward compatibilty, no rumble pads, etc). So I bought a 360 anyway. I'm enough of a Final Fantasy fan that I figured I'd have a PS3 by the time 13 came out (some of my sticking points would surely have been resolved by then*). Now? Guess I won't be bothering after all. As a PS1 & PS2 owner who hated the original Xbox for a variety of reasons, I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone
*Judging by Sony's recent statements, the price will still be a problem by the time FF13 finally comes out over here. *sigh* WTF happened to Sony?
best news of the show for me. it can't get better than that. i will now not be buying a ps3 any time in the forseeable future,end of story.
i just about resisted the temptation of MGS4,thinking that i'd wait until i'd seen sony's conference and what was on offer,thank god. little did i expect that ms' conference would be the one to set my decision in stone.
i was only talking about dev costs for this game the other day and as i said then : the dev costs of FFXIII must have broken the 100 million barrier,it just wasn't financially viable to stick with the one platform.
'raven,i know how you feel. it's happened to me many times over the years (strangely enough,square left nintendo then,full circle or what?).
This is seriously one sucker punch to sony's collective face though.
It doesn't even say when it's coming out, could a year after PS3 version, maybe longer! I'm not sure where you getting the sucker punch from. Where's the 'will change the way you play games' announcement? Microsoft hyped this all up and failed to deliver. The only suckers here are the consumers who are force fed this s**te. I honestly thought there was something special coming here.
Unless I am mistaken when FF13 was announced it was done so as a multi platform release so it isn't surprising that it will be out on xbox 360 also I'm not so sure why people are getting so excited over this. Personally I think this whole thing is getting kinda boring now don't you? I guess these fanboys are still celebrating their new found fame in the English dictionary.
This is seriously one sucker punch to sony's collective face though.
It doesn't even say when it's coming out, could a year after PS3 version, maybe longer! I'm not sure where you getting the sucker punch from. Where's the 'will change the way you play games' announcement? Microsoft hyped this all up and failed to deliver. The only suckers here are the consumers who are force fed this s**te. I honestly thought there was something special coming here.
They did, it will ship simultaneously on the PS3 and 360.
knowing Sony tomorrow, they'll talk about Bluray movies, and how powerful the PS3 is (or will be in another 2 or 3 years time) , and speak nothing of games or software, which is what's actually driving hardware sales. nobody cares about power or movies!.. its all about the games baby! after 10 months all I have on my PS3 is Singstar!. thats it. the games on there are rubbish! and my 360 takes care of everything else. in fact at least I can use my PS3 if my 360 goes red rings on me, thats all the PS3 is good for. just a standby console.
I can just picture Suivaloom clutching his beloved PS3 to his chest whilst rocking back and forth in the corner of his room on the back of this announcement....
This is seriously one sucker punch to sony's collective face though.
It doesn't even say when it's coming out, could a year after PS3 version, maybe longer! I'm not sure where you getting the sucker punch from. Where's the 'will change the way you play games' announcement? Microsoft hyped this all up and failed to deliver. The only suckers here are the consumers who are force fed this s**te. I honestly thought there was something special coming here.
MS can spout out as much bulls**te as they like mate, the only thing I care about are the games. The more the merrier. Sony stated that the next generation wouldn't start until they said it did... is that right? Lotta people still waiting there man... yup... anytime now...
I'd consider this quite a smack in the teeth for Sony, yes. This and MGS are pretty much the only games that made the Playstation brand (that aren't already multiformat that is). There's a massive fanbase for this FF and now that massive dollop of gamers are gonna be divided between the 2 consoles. Great for us, not so great for Sony.
wow, wonder how much M$ paid for that? they realy dont have any games left after all should be interesting to see the 4 disk case it will come in, just like old times! ^_^ but seriously, is it both ff13 games or what? and as for games on ps3: littlebigplanet killzone2 resistance2 siren Ico/SOTC -(next) Home (not a game i know) Uncharted2 god of war3 plus tomorow will hold more!
and im not that much of a fanboy, i know sony need to pull their thumb out wit the games and the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games. i want a Wii and that will do me untill M$ can show me some games i must have (hate halo, and gears was pants, honestly it was.....) sorry ^_^
As an owner of a PS1 & PS2 and a huge fan of the games that made those consoles - MGS, FF, DMC, Tekken, GT, GTA i was really looking forward to the PS3 release and continuing my experience, unfortunately with the PS3 price and lack of games on release it didnt blow me away and i spent my PS3 money on upgrading my PC knowing that the PC gets most 360/multiplatform games( Lost Planet, DMC4, SF4, TDU, FIFA08, Burnout Paradise, Bioshock, Mass Effect, CoD4, HL2:EP2, Grid, Dirt ) and i can enjoy FPS( including my fav. Battlefield 2 ) games with my preferred control of keyboard and mouse.
Ive been holding out on getting a PS3 until FF13 was released and hoping it would be pretty cheap by that stage, since my PS2 days ive lost interest in a lot of the Sony exclusives like Wipeout, Tekken, GT, etc, but not Final Fantasy, love those games, and now after this fantastic news i no longer have any reason whatsoever to buy a PS3 especially considering how cheap the 360 is, and will most likely be cheaper again by the time 3 comes out, nice one
Oh and Square Enix's The Last Remenant coming out on PC too, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!
wow, wonder how much M$ paid for that? they realy dont have any games left after all should be interesting to see the 4 disk case it will come in, just like old times! ^_^ but seriously, is it both ff13 games or what? and as for games on ps3: littlebigplanet killzone2 resistance2 siren Ico/SOTC -(next) Home (not a game i know) Uncharted2 god of war3 plus tomorow will hold more!
and im not that much of a fanboy, i know sony need to pull their thumb out wit the games and the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games. i want a Wii and that will do me untill M$ can show me some games i must have (hate halo, and gears was pants, honestly it was.....) sorry ^_^
As long as they don't have to sacrifice quality to make it so. FFXII was 4gb, if this isn't on multiple DVDs then someone is cutting big corners.If this game is 1080p with 7.1 surround sound then all is dandy.
You do realise dual-layered DVDs are 9gb, right?
Don't believe the hype. This, along with MGS4, fit just fine on a standard 9gb DVD. It's been said many a time that the PS3's BluRay drive has a very slow read speed, meaning that they do one of two things on PS3:
A: Install files to the hard drive for quicker loading.
B: Duplicate the data on the disc. The more they copy the data on the disc, the less the laser needs to move to find what it needs. And so it loads faster (well, 'faster' is relative - it only then loads as fast as a standard DVD drive)
And most games on PS3 use both of these techniques. And all to match 360's loading times...
Anyway my point being, don'y listen to the crap Sony or even the devs are spouting - BluRay is awesome but its not required for these games. There is nothing especially huge about them in terms of game files or technology - they're the same as any other game. Hell, the textures in most of MGS4 are pretty poor quality.
Well Microsoft just flipped Sony over and attacked their weak spot for Massive Damage
I suppose sony could try and counter by showing off some original IPs like Heavy Rain, Infamous and White Knight something microsoft didnt have this year. But even with killer trailers for those games i dont think it would deflect the damage of losing FF13 as an exclusive. They need a mega big name showing or two. god of war or ico might do it if it looks epic enough but such a huge blow in my opinion needs something massive so ff13 looks old news, A huge name like Final Fantasy 7 remake or Colony Wars.
Doubt it though, im sure they'll bag on for an hour about video stores, home, LBP and show trailers for killzone, resistance and motorstorm
I'm not a massive fan of final but this is still good news. Where are all the sony love monkeys who said there was NO CHANCE!! of ff13 coming to the 360.....i'll tell you where! Out buying a 360 lol
I'm not a massive fan of final but this is still good news. Where are all the sony love monkeys who said there was NO CHANCE!! of ff13 coming to the 360.....i'll tell you where! Out buying a 360 lol
Don't get cho' knickers in a twist, FF VERSUS 13 is still exclusive which doesnt help me as FFX was the worst 7 minutes of my life. Maybe Bungie's Secret E3 announcement is A supercool PS3 project......... in other news SSBB is gud
well in one clean swoop, M$ have completely levelled the playing field, i know a load of people holding off getting a PS3 until this came out and with the xbox being so cheap in comparison its a no brainer
As long as they don't have to sacrifice quality to make it so. FFXII was 4gb, if this isn't on multiple DVDs then someone is cutting big corners.If this game is 1080p with 7.1 surround sound then all is dandy.
You do realise dual-layered DVDs are 9gb, right?
Don't believe the hype. This, along with MGS4, fit just fine on a standard 9gb DVD. It's been said many a time that the PS3's BluRay drive has a very slow read speed, meaning that they do one of two things on PS3:
A: Install files to the hard drive for quicker loading.
B: Duplicate the data on the disc. The more they copy the data on the disc, the less the laser needs to move to find what it needs. And so it loads faster (well, 'faster' is relative - it only then loads as fast as a standard DVD drive)
And most games on PS3 use both of these techniques. And all to match 360's loading times...
Anyway my point being, don'y listen to the crap Sony or even the devs are spouting - BluRay is awesome but its not required for these games. There is nothing especially huge about them in terms of game files or technology - they're the same as any other game. Hell, the textures in most of MGS4 are pretty poor quality.
You're absolutely right.
Most Playstation fans, when bleating on about Blu-ray, seem to forget the Crysis, probably the most graphically/sonically intensive game released up to this moment in time, is on a 9GB DVD.
They've allowed installing to the HDD...could be interesting!
No they havent, they've allowed you, personally, the gamer, to choose to copy absolutely any 360 game to your hard drive. There are no installations, there is no mandatory 'sit through a 20 minute progress bar before you can play' crap like on PS3, it's simply an option for anybody with the HD space to make their games load almost instantly.
Which is more than can be said for the way PS3 has done it... all that effort simply to load the same speed as a DVD? Uhh Sony, just put a damn DVD drive in the PS3. That alone would bring the price of the system down by an incredible amount.
the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games
a) Warranty replacement / repair is free
b) You can get discs resurfaced, good as new, for about 3 quid a pop - plus I was given to believe the scratching was only a problem with the earlier model drives
They've allowed installing to the HDD...could be interesting!
No they havent, they've allowed you, personally, the gamer, to choose to copy absolutely any 360 game to your hard drive. There are no installations, there is no mandatory 'sit through a 20 minute progress bar before you can play' crap like on PS3, it's simply an option for anybody with the HD space to make their games load almost instantly.
Which is more than can be said for the way PS3 has done it... all that effort simply to load the same speed as a DVD? Uhh Sony, just put a damn DVD drive in the PS3. That alone would bring the price of the system down by an incredible amount.
So, Does this mean multi disc games can all be installed on to the HDD without swapping discs halfway though playing?.... This must also mean GTA4 can be totally installed to the HDD....hmmmm sweet!
As a PS1 & PS2 owner who hated the original Xbox for a variety of reasons, I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone
*Judging by Sony's recent statements, the price will still be a problem by the time FF13 finally comes out over here. *sigh* WTF happened to Sony?
Sony made a name for themselves during the PS1/PS2 era, 'Playstation' was a huge brand and was associated with big titles such as Grand Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, Tomb Raider, Pro Evo, Final Fantasy, Ridge Racer and probably many others I can't think of right now.
Trouble is Sony got complacent and sat back on their success, whilst Microsoft learnt and improved on their first console attempt. They were clever and got their next gen console out first, attracting many of the above titles and developers, hitting Sony where it hurts. With only GT and MGS left as exclusives you'd have to be a true die-hard Sony fan to want a PS3 over a 360.
the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games
a) Warranty replacement / repair is free
b) You can get discs resurfaced, good as new, for about 3 quid a pop - plus I was given to believe the scratching was only a problem with the earlier model drives
Get yourself off down the shops chap!
Warranty replacement is indeed free, and the problem is, as far as I'm aware, all-but eliminated on newer 360 models.
Disc scratching? Has anyone really ever had that happen? I have a launch 360 (refurbed once, admittedly!) but I've never had disc scratching issues.
As long as they don't have to sacrifice quality to make it so. FFXII was 4gb, if this isn't on multiple DVDs then someone is cutting big corners.If this game is 1080p with 7.1 surround sound then all is dandy.
You do realise dual-layered DVDs are 9gb, right?
Don't believe the hype. This, along with MGS4, fit just fine on a standard 9gb DVD. It's been said many a time that the PS3's BluRay drive has a very slow read speed, meaning that they do one of two things on PS3:
A: Install files to the hard drive for quicker loading.
B: Duplicate the data on the disc. The more they copy the data on the disc, the less the laser needs to move to find what it needs. And so it loads faster (well, 'faster' is relative - it only then loads as fast as a standard DVD drive)
And most games on PS3 use both of these techniques. And all to match 360's loading times...
Anyway my point being, don'y listen to the crap Sony or even the devs are spouting - BluRay is awesome but its not required for these games. There is nothing especially huge about them in terms of game files or technology - they're the same as any other game. Hell, the textures in most of MGS4 are pretty poor quality.
You're absolutely right.
Most Playstation fans, when bleating on about Blu-ray, seem to forget the Crysis, probably the most graphically/sonically intensive game released up to this moment in time, is on a 9GB DVD.
They always forget little facts like that.
Very good point, and proof of 9Gig being more than enough: http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5396/crysis2008070610434311lp5.jpg
So, Does this mean multi disc games can all be installed on to the HDD without swapping discs halfway though playing?.... This must also mean GTA4 can be totally installed to the HDD....hmmmm sweet!
You need the disc in so that it can verify that you actually own the game and that you didnt just rent it and copy it - so although you could copy all the discs of a game to the hard drive, you'd still need to swap the disc in order to do the check.
On another note - wow. It's easy to spot the die hard Sony fans! Even with FF13 now on 360, they're still grasping at what little reason they have left to NOT buy one. Disc scratching and RROD excuses are SO 2006
Don't get cho' knickers in a twist, FF VERSUS 13 is still exclusive which doesnt help me as FFX was the worst 7 minutes of my life. Maybe Bungie's Secret E3 announcement is A supercool PS3 project......... in other news SSBB is gud
Bungie are only going to be making games for the 360 and PC.
One of the final nails in what's known as the platform exclusive game?
Working on a single platform now as a developer just doesn't cut it as much financially anymore. Especially with a game such as FF given its production costs.
Not much of a shocker really was it with MS wallet of doom! What makes me laugh is the fact that 360 fanboys think the PS3 is doomed because FF has gone multi-platform. The sad truth is that FF only sells large numbers in Japan, where only a few people have a 360. And nobody has to buy a 360 to play the new FF because it is also coming out for PS3. So what is the big deal? Nobody suffers and instead everybody wins. No need to be unhappy thy Sony fanboys!
the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games
a) Warranty replacement / repair is free
b) You can get discs resurfaced, good as new, for about 3 quid a pop - plus I was given to believe the scratching was only a problem with the earlier model drives
Get yourself off down the shops chap!
Warranty replacement is indeed free, and the problem is, as far as I'm aware, all-but eliminated on newer 360 models.
Disc scratching? Has anyone really ever had that happen? I have a launch 360 (refurbed once, admittedly!) but I've never had disc scratching issues.
i've had it once scratch a ring into a game and only cause i picked the xbox up whilst the disc was still spining(yes stupid thing to do) my mate nudged his and it did the same thing but both times all it took was a trip to chips and they fixed the discs for a couple of quid
The sick billions that M$ possess can reach any height it seems..
Right Sony I want you to announce Gears of War II for PS3 tomorrow. You must striker back with full force or risk facing oblivion in this war
I've been waiting for your response! And it was worth the wait.
I agree with Mark though, it certainly isn't the end of Sony by any means. It just means more people will get to play the game... However it certainly will upset Sony to some degree- and the fanboys... like the one above. I've gotta read his post again, escuse me...
Not much of a shocker really was it with MS wallet of doom! What makes me laugh is the fact that 360 fanboys think the PS3 is doomed because FF has gone multi-platform. The sad truth is that FF only sells large numbers in Japan, where only a few people have a 360. And nobody has to buy a 360 to play the new FF because it is also coming out for PS3. So what is the big deal? Nobody suffers and instead everybody wins. No need to be unhappy thy Sony fanboys!
Oh, and it will probably be duff anyway!!
But we 'allow' PS3 fanboys to proclaim the death of 360 because MGS4 got released? Awesome job that game did
microsoft just done 99999 damage to sony! lol havent played final fantasy since ffx on ps2 tho 12 was meant to be really good but never got round to playing it
I've just read 2 pages of sickening, childish drivel from the most die-hard Microslaves on this website. Those ones who have Nazi cocaine fuelled orgies with ladies of the night.
I'll just remind you that Final Fantasy is not a violent game. SInce the war, the Japs have gone passive, and this is reflected in their games.
And no, you can't play Final Fantasy in 1st person mode, so save up instead for your other favourite shooty games.
Anyhoo, it makes you wonder what Bungie's 'big secret' is. You have to ask yourselves, why did they split from Microsoft if it weren't to make their games multi-platform?
So a PS3 port and an N64 game are the big MS suprises? Wow. Just wow.
As an owner of both top machines I feel that the MS conference has been a little bit lacklustre.
What? Did you not even watch the live show? These are just some of the 'surprises':
Brand new dashboard I'm personally still not sold on it, though... rips off the worst part about the PS3 - although it looks cleaner, you now have to scroll horizontally through large thumbnails of everythign. Doesnt help navigation at ALL
Xbox Live Primetime pretty awesome 'real-world' competitions played in real-time as 'broadcasts' using real hosts and real gamers all over xbox live. quizzes, gameshows etc to win real prizes
Portal: Still Alive exclusive to xbox 360, basically an extension of Portal with brand new puzzles
Geometry Wars 2 probably THE biggest selling downloadable game on any platform finally gets a proper sequel
In the movies or whatever it was called... although it looks pants, nobody was expecting it
Lips although EVERYBODY was expecting it, nobody knew it would let you sing to absolutely any song on your zune (i love that the guy namechecked ipod )
Fable 2 online co-op that.. was absolutely.. incredible. seeing all your friends in the particular area you're in, as orbs, and just pressing a button on them to invite them straight into your game without lobbies? I'm sorry but for me that was worth the price of admission alone. I would have gone away happy hearing just that alone
Not to mention Final Fantasy and the original Banjo on Live Arcade, and I'm sure I missed a lot of other stuff too - it was a lot to take in.
Take off your Sony glasses and you'll see all the exciting stuff.
So a PS3 port and an N64 game are the big MS suprises? Wow. Just wow.
As an owner of both top machines I feel that the MS conference has been a little bit lacklustre.
What? Did you not even watch the live show? These are just some of the 'surprises':
Brand new dashboard I'm personally still not sold on it, though... rips off the worst part about the PS3 - although it looks cleaner, you now have to scroll horizontally through large thumbnails of everythign. Doesnt help navigation at ALL
Xbox Live Primetime pretty awesome 'real-world' competitions played in real-time as 'broadcasts' using real hosts and real gamers all over xbox live. quizzes, gameshows etc to win real prizes
Portal: Still Alive exclusive to xbox 360, basically an extension of Portal with brand new puzzles
Geometry Wars 2 probably THE biggest selling downloadable game on any platform finally gets a proper sequel
In the movies or whatever it was called... although it looks pants, nobody was expecting it
Lips although EVERYBODY was expecting it, nobody knew it would let you sing to absolutely any song on your zune (i love that the guy namechecked ipod )
Fable 2 online co-op that.. was absolutely.. incredible. seeing all your friends in the particular area you're in, as orbs, and just pressing a button on them to invite them straight into your game without lobbies? I'm sorry but for me that was worth the price of admission alone. I would have gone away happy hearing just that alone
Not to mention Final Fantasy and the original Banjo on Live Arcade, and I'm sure I missed a lot of other stuff too - it was a lot to take in.
Take off your Sony glasses and you'll see all the exciting stuff.
no offense, but the only interesting thing in that list is Fable 2
Microsoft are singing that old song. "anything you can do, I can do better..."
So a PS3 port and an N64 game are the big MS suprises? Wow. Just wow.
As an owner of both top machines I feel that the MS conference has been a little bit lacklustre.
I now hope and pray that Sony have at least something semi-exciting to show us, otherwise E3 has been pointless.
Thing is- I'm still excited for the releases that I already know about- all this stuff is just a bonus!
Great avatar by the way.
Mighty Boosh FTW!
Yeah, sole 360 owners have a right to be well pleased by this news, but I'm just a little bit underwhelmed by the whole thing. I could have played this on PS3 anyway so this is a bit 'oh well' from my point of view. I really hoped for MS to really pull out something new and exciting this year. But like you said, I too have at least still got GOW2 and Fable 2 to look forward to. Oh, and Banjo is beginning to interest me as well.
Even if Sony show God of war 3 tomorrow it won't be enough for me. I want some big surprises!!!
Coming straight from a Sony fanboy. Tell me, exactly how is Sony a 'winner' with this announcement? They have just a hell of a lot of money. Microsoft in comparison, have just gained a whole load of cash, have stolen some valuable thunder and caused a lot of people to re-think their decision on even contemplating buying the PS3.
Many people seem to think that Microsoft must have been flashing their wallets to get this deal, it's more likely the developers and publishers who are a business first and foremost want to appeal to as broader audience as possible to increase profits.
Sony just keep moving from weakness to weakness, such a shame...and no I don't own a 360 either.
I've just read 2 pages of sickening, childish drivel from the most die-hard Microslaves on this website. Those ones who have Nazi cocaine fuelled orgies with ladies of the night.
I'll just remind you that Final Fantasy is not a violent game. SInce the war, the Japs have gone passive, and this is reflected in their games.
And no, you can't play Final Fantasy in 1st person mode, so save up instead for your other favourite shooty games.
Anyhoo, it makes you wonder what Bungie's 'big secret' is. You have to ask yourselves, why did they split from Microsoft if it weren't to make their games multi-platform?
please, don't stop now.
PS) FF7 is one of my favourite games of all time... as is Halo... soooo... am I violent or passive? I'm so confused by your logic!
So a PS3 port and an N64 game are the big MS suprises? Wow. Just wow.
As an owner of both top machines I feel that the MS conference has been a little bit lacklustre.
What? Did you not even watch the live show? These are just some of the 'surprises':
Brand new dashboard I'm personally still not sold on it, though... rips off the worst part about the PS3 - although it looks cleaner, you now have to scroll horizontally through large thumbnails of everythign. Doesnt help navigation at ALL
Xbox Live Primetime pretty awesome 'real-world' competitions played in real-time as 'broadcasts' using real hosts and real gamers all over xbox live. quizzes, gameshows etc to win real prizes
Portal: Still Alive exclusive to xbox 360, basically an extension of Portal with brand new puzzles
Geometry Wars 2 probably THE biggest selling downloadable game on any platform finally gets a proper sequel
In the movies or whatever it was called... although it looks pants, nobody was expecting it
Lips although EVERYBODY was expecting it, nobody knew it would let you sing to absolutely any song on your zune (i love that the guy namechecked ipod )
Fable 2 online co-op that.. was absolutely.. incredible. seeing all your friends in the particular area you're in, as orbs, and just pressing a button on them to invite them straight into your game without lobbies? I'm sorry but for me that was worth the price of admission alone. I would have gone away happy hearing just that alone
Not to mention Final Fantasy and the original Banjo on Live Arcade, and I'm sure I missed a lot of other stuff too - it was a lot to take in.
Take off your Sony glasses and you'll see all the exciting stuff.
no offense, but the only interesting thing in that list is Fable 2
Please read my previous post. But to add, I agree that the online quiz idea is a good one and Geometry Wars will be brilliant. But nothing out of this world MrXbob, however you paint it.
As a side note, one thing I've not liked about this E3 so far?
TOO HUMAN DEMO SUCKS.
Completely and utterly sucks. SO many things wrong with the gameplay... the graphics look nice, the environments look creepy and gothic and massive, but the gameplay. Wtf? The only thing good about it is shooting each gun seperately whilst also aiming them - looks very cool.
Other than that, it's pathetic. Only redeeming thing about the whole situation is now I have more money at the end of the month to get Death Note instead
no offense, but the only interesting thing in that list is Fable 2
I know everybody has opinions, but not liking Geo Wars or Portal pretty much makes you dead to me
well from my POV on PC Geo wars and the likes are 10 a penny, e.g Audio Surf etc. so nope that wouldnt thrill me, Portal stuff would be cool( i love Portal ), but there are already zillions of Portal maps/mods on the PC( including the official xtra maps released or nvidia ) so nope that wouldnt thrill either
no offense, but the only interesting thing in that list is Fable 2
I know everybody has opinions, but not liking Geo Wars or Portal pretty much makes you dead to me
well from my POV on PC Geo wars and the likes are 10 a penny, e.g Audio Surf etc. so nope that wouldnt thrill me, Portal stuff would be cool, but there are already zillions of Potal mods on the PC( including the official xtra maps released or nvidia ) so nope that wouldnt thrill either
Agreed on the Portal thing, but unless somebody makes a mod for these also, they aint appearing on PC. Not officially.
I dont think you've played Geo Wars. No game is similar to it, really... especially not Audio Surf. They're at two completely seperate ends of the spectrum.
I've just read 2 pages of sickening, childish drivel from the most die-hard Microslaves on this website. Those ones who have Nazi cocaine fuelled orgies with ladies of the night.
I'll just remind you that Final Fantasy is not a violent game. SInce the war, the Japs have gone passive, and this is reflected in their games.
And no, you can't play Final Fantasy in 1st person mode, so save up instead for your other favourite shooty games.
Anyhoo, it makes you wonder what Bungie's 'big secret' is. You have to ask yourselves, why did they split from Microsoft if it weren't to make their games multi-platform?
All you ever write is childish drivel. Oh FF has absolutely no violence in it huh? Why did Cloud carry around that giant sword in FF7 then? Oh wait... there is violence. Aren't those Resident Evil games a bit gorey... maybe even violent?
And then there are the rape simulator games in Japan... not violent at all. And you can just tell how passive they are through other media in their culture. Like the movie "Ichie the Killer"... wait, that was extremely violent. Ok, how about anime... no those get pretty violent too.
And yes most of us here prefer to have sex with women as opposed to with our gaming machines, unlike you.
Now if you will excuse me, I have to go back to your first post and just laugh at you some more.
Agreed on the Portal thing, but unless somebody makes a mod for these also, they aint appearing on PC. Not officially.
agreed, but with the trouble Nvidia are having they'd kill to bring them to the PC, the extra stuf is cool dont get me wrong, but id be more hyped about Fable 2
I dont think you've played Geo Wars. No game is similar to it, really... especially not Audio Surf. They're at two completely seperate ends of the spectrum.
I havnt played geometry wars, just ment there are a load of clones available on the PC, was only comparing it to Audio Surf as both are great innovative indy games is all
My point overall is, and its not directed at just M$'s announcements, E3 is ment to be a showcase for the best stuff coming to each console over the next year, and in comparison the previous years what you posted is very very poor( relatively )
sony better pray that the rumours of kingdom hearts 3 being a wii exclusive are false or it'll be a funeral procession tomorrow morning.
by the way,earth to suivaloom : lay off the 'chabs' kid and calm down a tad. after reading some of your posts lately i can only assume YOU are the one with the coke problem.
smoke a joint,get a chick to do some unspeakable things to you,get rid of all that pent up frustration and chill the f*ck out.
But that pretty much sums up the current state of E3 as a whole. Sad really.
The MS conference was pretty good. I think the new banjo game looks to be good and I had no interest in it prior to this. Gears still looks good. Fable is still a rental for me since the last was garbage. A lot of casual stuff, which is funny considering how much people give Nintendo a hard time for the same thing. And while the FF announcement was great for MS, it doesn't interest me at all though since I hate JRPG's. And finally Fallout 3 gameplay was shown. And it only confirmed my fears that it will just be some crappy FPS version of Oblivion instead of a proper sequel to the fallout games.
But that pretty much sums up the current state of E3 as a whole. Sad really.
The MS conference was pretty good. I think the new banjo game looks to be good and I had no interest in it prior to this. Gears still looks good. Fable is still a rental for me since the last was garbage. A lot of casual stuff, which is funny considering how much people give Nintendo a hard time for the same thing. And while the FF announcement was great for MS, it doesn't interest me at all though since I hate JRPG's. And finally Fallout 3 gameplay was shown. And it only confirmed my fears that it will just be some crappy FPS version of Oblivion instead of a proper sequel to the fallout games.
ahh now Fallout 3 is one im absolutely uber hyped about
Coming straight from a Sony fanboy. Tell me, exactly how is Sony a 'winner' with this announcement? They have just a hell of a lot of money. Microsoft in comparison, have just gained a whole load of cash, have stolen some valuable thunder and caused a lot of people to re-think their decision on even contemplating buying the PS3.
Many people seem to think that Microsoft must have been flashing their wallets to get this deal, it's more likely the developers and publishers who are a business first and foremost want to appeal to as broader audience as possible to increase profits.
Sony just keep moving from weakness to weakness, such a shame...and no I don't own a 360 either.
erm because Sony keeps the game exclusive in the market were it needs it most and the market were the game is more popular. And because owners with only 360s will get to enjoy the game rather than spashin out on a ps3 just to play the game instead of playing cheap knock offs like Lost Odyssey. It seems like your the fanboy, did sony rape your mommy?
Coming straight from a Sony fanboy. Tell me, exactly how is Sony a 'winner' with this announcement? They have just a hell of a lot of money. Microsoft in comparison, have just gained a whole load of cash, have stolen some valuable thunder and caused a lot of people to re-think their decision on even contemplating buying the PS3.
Many people seem to think that Microsoft must have been flashing their wallets to get this deal, it's more likely the developers and publishers who are a business first and foremost want to appeal to as broader audience as possible to increase profits.
Sony just keep moving from weakness to weakness, such a shame...and no I don't own a 360 either.
erm because Sony keeps the game exclusive in the market were it needs it most and the market were the game is more popular. And because owners with only 360s will get to enjoy the game rather than spashin out on a ps3 just to play the game instead of playing cheap knock offs like Lost Odyssey. It seems like your the fanboy, did sony rape your mommy?
ok a few things, just because a market needs something doesnt mean it will happen. Square Enix said a few years ago with the cost of game development they were considering going multi platform. Neither Sony nor M$ gave them cash,its common sense that devs will try and sell as many copies as possible, they have no love for any console and neither do their shareholders
The sick billions that M$ possess can reach any height it seems..
Right Sony I want you to announce Gears of War II for PS3 tomorrow. You must striker back with full force or risk facing oblivion in this war
<points and laughs>
I really couldn't care less about this announcement, I hate Final Fantasy (yes, even VII), but the fact it bugs you so much gives me a warm feeling inside
As a side note, one thing I've not liked about this E3 so far?
TOO HUMAN DEMO SUCKS.
Completely and utterly sucks. SO many things wrong with the gameplay... the graphics look nice, the environments look creepy and gothic and massive, but the gameplay. Wtf? The only thing good about it is shooting each gun seperately whilst also aiming them - looks very cool.
Other than that, it's pathetic. Only redeeming thing about the whole situation is now I have more money at the end of the month to get Death Note instead
I actually quite liked it... I reckon with the other classes opened up it could be pretty good. And weirdly, I was getting a Mass Effect vibe from it, which can't be bad.
Wow, I didn't see that one coming. I won't be buying it, of course, as Final Fantasy games are now basically practically MMOs for people with no friends, but I'd say that the whole exercise was definitely worth it just to see the fanboy reaction...
And on the subject of Too Human, I actually quite enjoyed the demo too. Mind you, I haven't been following the hype (legal problems aside) for that one, so it kind of came out of nowhere for me.
And on the subject of Too Human, I actually quite enjoyed the demo too. Mind you, I haven't been following the hype (legal problems aside) for that one, so it kind of came out of nowhere for me.
And for me.
Loving the new avatar - Wizball was one of my favourites back in the day. The simple ideas are often the best though, eh?
As long as they don't have to sacrifice quality to make it so. FFXII was 4gb, if this isn't on multiple DVDs then someone is cutting big corners.If this game is 1080p with 7.1 surround sound then all is dandy.
You do realise dual-layered DVDs are 9gb, right?
Don't believe the hype. This, along with MGS4, fit just fine on a standard 9gb DVD. It's been said many a time that the PS3's BluRay drive has a very slow read speed, meaning that they do one of two things on PS3:
A: Install files to the hard drive for quicker loading.
B: Duplicate the data on the disc. The more they copy the data on the disc, the less the laser needs to move to find what it needs. And so it loads faster (well, 'faster' is relative - it only then loads as fast as a standard DVD drive)
And most games on PS3 use both of these techniques. And all to match 360's loading times...
Anyway my point being, don'y listen to the crap Sony or even the devs are spouting - BluRay is awesome but its not required for these games. There is nothing especially huge about them in terms of game files or technology - they're the same as any other game. Hell, the textures in most of MGS4 are pretty poor quality.
yeah dual layered dvds are 9Gb....square have already said they don't know if they'll fit it onto a dual layered blu-ray which is 50Gb, so that 6 dvds.
What are you talking about? There are already dual layered blu-rays and they have designed 16 layered blu-rays. Not that that sort of size will be needed for a while yet.
seriously is anyone surprised. does no one remeber when squaresoft sold out nintendo. dats y i int surprised by this. im raging here i bought the ps3 at £450 when it came out for this an metal gear basically and now itscoming ou tfor 360. dat sucks. good job i have my wii for der good games. will there be word of the wiss crystal chronicles game at e3 anyone.?????
Screw the politics of it Screw which console will win Screw how it makes you feel about your console choice
Be happy that everyone will get to play another Square Enix masterpiece. I don't put this down to some deal from Microsoft but the current game development market that needs to release multiplatform in order to cover costs and a realization by Square Enix that the market outside of Japan is not dominated by the PS3 console.
yeah dual layered dvds are 9Gb....square have already said they don't know if they'll fit it onto a dual layered blu-ray which is 50Gb, so that 6 dvds.
Of course they said that. They were under Sony's wing, they were obliged to big-up the platform. Wait for the 360 release and you'll see.
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
But up until yesterday, all of the PS3 fanboys were telling us how big and how important FFXIII was going to be when it finally appeared over here... Why the sudden change in it's predicted fortunes? Especially now that it's been announced on the more popular console?
Oh no the playstation 3 is MASSIVE failure and im going to go sell mine right now!!! Oh Xbox comehere here!!!..
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls! And the 360 players will also get to show there love for the game! But thats all it is! a GAME!
PS3 still is the far better console, and the press launches are today for Sony! So we shall have to wait and see!!!
And oh yeh another thing whats that crappy Eyetoy and sing star thing about they have ripped from Sony! Hell MS need to stop stealing ideas!!!
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
But up until yesterday, all of the PS3 fanboys were telling us how big and how important FFXIII was going to be when it finally appeared over here... Why the sudden change in it's predicted fortunes? Especially now that it's been announced on the more popular console?
From a business point of view it makes perfect sense, the development costs will be huge for this title and the more units they shift the better, for me though it has and always will be a PS3 game and i will be buying it on that platform, storage will easily be a problem on the 360 and will without doubt come on at least 4 discs like lost oddessy and blue dragon(3 discs). I'd prefer to have one disc with no swapping thanks. And as the PS3 has trophies now it levels with the 360's achievments system.
I dont know why people cry so much about this, exlcusive games are dead from third party devs/publishers. MGS4 will be out on the 360 by next fall so get over it people!!
I don't suppose it'll greatly affect sales of the game on PS3 as the Japanese don't really go in for the 360 - hence, it can only really serve as a winner for Sony in monetary terms.
That said, it still seems a bit daft to give away one of the systems strongest franchises. It certainly lessens the perceived allure of the PS3. Imagine if the 360 version comes off as a better port!
I don't suppose it'll greatly affect sales of the game on PS3 as the Japanese don't really go in for the 360 - hence, it can only really serve as a winner for Sony in monetary terms.
That said, it still seems a bit daft to give away one of the systems strongest franchises. It certainly lessens the perceived allure of the PS3. Imagine if the 360 version comes off as a better port!
Pathetic Shmuppet, why do fanboys always try and turn the bad news round so Sony come out on top?
You really don't think that sales of the game will be affected on PS3? It certainly won't make Sony a winner in monetary terms, and especially not in political terms.
Also, why do you seem to think that the franchise has 'been given away'? Sony didn't make the call on this, the developers are in it to make money, and they obviously know that there are a lot more 360's in the world than there are PS3's, it's an obvious choice. Continue to try and hide your disappointment in the PS3 but things are going from bad to worse.
According to this FFXIII is still PS3 only in Japan & Versus XIII is still PS3 exclusive.
And considering FF is one of the gayest RPGs on the market (it has a massive gay following), it'll be just interesting to see how it fits with the Western alpha-male audiences.
Expect a gay-influx on XBox Live ... and we all know how gay-friendly that place is..!
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
But up until yesterday, all of the PS3 fanboys were telling us how big and how important FFXIII was going to be when it finally appeared over here... Why the sudden change in it's predicted fortunes? Especially now that it's been announced on the more popular console?
Looks to me like a lot of peoples' opinions have changed on both sides. People who said it would be PS3's salvation are now not bothered and people on the other side, who were harping on about how over-rated, shit it was and how it wasn't going to make a difference to Sony's future are now lauding it as the second coming. It's pathetic. As someone who hasn't given a shit about FF since seven and who doesn't really give a shit about who 'wins' this console 'war' (apart from the casual gamer obviously, as that would be a disaster) due to obsessively buying every console at launch, good or bad, and who doesn't feel the need to spunk over one manufacturer more than the others I don't see this making too much of a difference to Sony's fortunes at all. No matter what the usual anti-Sony brigade on here say.
Is 'it's the final nail in the coffin' something you idiots get taught in school nowadays or what? Because it seems to be the new buzz phrase. I'm sick of hearing it. Morons were saying it when the PS3 price was announced, they said it about the lack of launch games, they said it about the GTA exclusivity loss, they said it about the GTA DLC, they said it about DMC4... Jesus... That coffin has been nailed more times than Paris Hilton if you idiots are to be believed.
The PS3 will still be a success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. it may not reach the heady heights of PS2 but PS3 is going nowhere... Losing FF exclusivity in the west isn't going to change that one bit.
It's an unfortunate fact that there's a lot more to a console's success than great games... Otherwise the Dreamcast would've been a smash hit.
seriously is anyone surprised. does no one remeber when squaresoft sold out nintendo. dats y i int surprised by this. im raging here i bought the ps3 at £450 when it came out for this an metal gear basically and now itscoming ou tfor 360. dat sucks. good job i have my wii for der good games. will there be word of the wiss crystal chronicles game at e3 anyone.?????
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
But up until yesterday, all of the PS3 fanboys were telling us how big and how important FFXIII was going to be when it finally appeared over here... Why the sudden change in it's predicted fortunes? Especially now that it's been announced on the more popular console?
Looks to me like a lot of peoples' opinions have changed on both sides. People who said it would be PS3's salvation are now not bothered and people on the other side, who were harping on about how over-rated, shit it was and how it wasn't going to make a difference to Sony's future are now lauding it as the second coming. It's pathetic. As someone who hasn't given a shit about FF since seven and who doesn't really give a shit about who 'wins' this console 'war' (apart from the casual gamer obviously, as that would be a disaster) due to obsessively buying every console at launch, good or bad, and who doesn't feel the need to spunk over one manufacturer more than the others I don't see this making too much of a difference to Sony's fortunes at all. No matter what the usual anti-Sony brigade on here say.
Is 'it's the final nail in the coffin' something you idiots get taught in school nowadays or what? Because it seems to be the new buzz phrase. I'm sick of hearing it. Morons were saying it when the PS3 price was announced, they said it about the lack of launch games, they said it about the GTA exclusivity loss, they said it about the GTA DLC, they said it about DMC4... Jesus... That coffin has been nailed more times than Paris Hilton if you idiots are to be believed.
The PS3 will still be a success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. it may not reach the heady heights of PS2 but PS3 is going nowhere... Losing FF exclusivity in the west isn't going to change that one bit.
It's an unfortunate fact that there's a lot more to a console's success than great games... Otherwise the Dreamcast would've been a smash hit.
Agreed. And the game is still available to PS3 owners, they've hardly linched it as an exclusive. FFXIII won't even be available on the 360 in Japan!
As a PS3 owner, I never remember reading anything stating that FFXIII ever was an official PS3 exclusive - Versus XIII was stated as such - so whats the big deal?
This is nothing more than a financial decision by Square Enix.
And Dom Mattricks statement at MCV that "We're stealing Playstation franchises" only further confirms in my mind that Microsoft has delivered zero in the way of new ideas & innovation this E3.
Their Casual games are copying their rivals. FFXIII means they're just trying to be another PS2.
And as per usual, buy their way to the top, rather than earn it.
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
I don't suppose it'll greatly affect sales of the game on PS3 as the Japanese don't really go in for the 360 - hence, it can only really serve as a winner for Sony in monetary terms.
That said, it still seems a bit daft to give away one of the systems strongest franchises. It certainly lessens the perceived allure of the PS3. Imagine if the 360 version comes off as a better port!
Pathetic Shmuppet, why do fanboys always try and turn the bad news round so Sony come out on top?
You really don't think that sales of the game will be affected on PS3? It certainly won't make Sony a winner in monetary terms, and especially not in political terms.
Also, why do you seem to think that the franchise has 'been given away'? Sony didn't make the call on this, the developers are in it to make money, and they obviously know that there are a lot more 360's in the world than there are PS3's, it's an obvious choice. Continue to try and hide your disappointment in the PS3 but things are going from bad to worse.
Eh, what you mean by "political terms"? I think you may be reading too much into this console war my bespectacled friend. And I didn't try and "turn it around" at all - I said it will lessen the perceived allure of the PS3.
I know it's hard being left out in the cold while us console gamers applaud the arrival of what could very well be one of the best rpg's of all time.
that's why I didn´t decided about my next console. I'm still with my ps2 until I realize who's gona get the best exclusives list.
but I sense a lot of fanboysm in this forum
ff13 is still going to ps3, IN BLUERAY!!!
so as bioshock and the mass effect sequel
joining uncharted, resistance, god of war, the new ico game, little big planet and other announced or to be announced stuff
I don't care about movies or other stuff like achievements... Give me the games!!!!!
Nothing stirs up flame wars quite like E3. Its just another excuse for more boring fanboy waffle/bragging rights that achieves nothing & is so incredibly childish.
SO funny how so many Sony Fanboys are coming out now & say well FF is s**t anyway... when last week it was the best thing since t**s that leak beer... anyway, this is good for the 360, not bad for the PS3, i think great games should get to be playd by everyone.
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Why spend money on a console just for the exclusives it gets you anyway? Can't people buy one for all the games your interested in instead of 2? Like the ones who were holdin off gettin a ps3 until metal gear or ff and now it (final fantasy) isnt an exclusive they shout "oh thats my mind made up now!! all my interest in a console has completely gone now other people with a different console can buy it too!!" Were you just goin to buy a ps3 for braggin rights to some game ull get bored of in a few months after the world ha carried on turnin? If thats the reason you wanted one then you have no life at all. So say " stuff it ill let this company change my mind on a decision that will only remotly effect my life for a couple of months" Your Loss
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
To be fair, it did. It was made for PS and went to PC too.
To be honest it aint that much of a problem. These games sell millions in japan but never sell anywhere near as many over this end. And japan aint gonna be gettin it on 360, not much point portin the japanese language one for 3 people.
But up until yesterday, all of the PS3 fanboys were telling us how big and how important FFXIII was going to be when it finally appeared over here... Why the sudden change in it's predicted fortunes? Especially now that it's been announced on the more popular console?
Looks to me like a lot of peoples' opinions have changed on both sides. People who said it would be PS3's salvation are now not bothered and people on the other side, who were harping on about how over-rated, shit it was and how it wasn't going to make a difference to Sony's future are now lauding it as the second coming. It's pathetic. As someone who hasn't given a shit about FF since seven and who doesn't really give a shit about who 'wins' this console 'war' (apart from the casual gamer obviously, as that would be a disaster) due to obsessively buying every console at launch, good or bad, and who doesn't feel the need to spunk over one manufacturer more than the others I don't see this making too much of a difference to Sony's fortunes at all. No matter what the usual anti-Sony brigade on here say.
Is 'it's the final nail in the coffin' something you idiots get taught in school nowadays or what? Because it seems to be the new buzz phrase. I'm sick of hearing it. Morons were saying it when the PS3 price was announced, they said it about the lack of launch games, they said it about the GTA exclusivity loss, they said it about the GTA DLC, they said it about DMC4... Jesus... That coffin has been nailed more times than Paris Hilton if you idiots are to be believed.
The PS3 will still be a success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. it may not reach the heady heights of PS2 but PS3 is going nowhere... Losing FF exclusivity in the west isn't going to change that one bit.
It's an unfortunate fact that there's a lot more to a console's success than great games... Otherwise the Dreamcast would've been a smash hit.
Just in case any of that was aimed at me, let me quote myself from only nine posts above the original:
Wow, I didn't see that one coming. I won't be buying it, of course, as Final Fantasy games are now basically practically MMOs for people with no friends
This news does bring joy to my heart though, as the ensuing Nerd Rage has made for some great easy laughs.
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
To be fair, it did. It was made for PS and went to PC too.
Metal Gear certainly didn't. Point remains though, Playstation owners seem to think the beginning of a franchise coincided with the first Playstation. This isn't true in the case of Final Fantasy. Or Metal Gear.
This news does bring joy to my heart though, as the ensuing Nerd Rage has made for some great easy laughs.
Ditto. I found the Final Fantasy games snore-fests (Skies of Arcadia was a SH*T stack better IMO), but I am highly amused and the Sony crew reaction...
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
To be fair, it did. It was made for PS and went to PC too.
Well if you're on about controls i'd say the GTA and MGS controls for the Playstation are the original. I mean, the Metal Gear games were totally different before Solid, controls would have been way different. The same from the birds-eye GTA to the fully 3D GTA that was on the PS2.
The only poeple who like to comment on the fact that MGS wasn't on the Playstation first, and GTA began life way before 3 are smug bastartds who like to feel smart. The games were totally different from what they were before. And fitted to the console.
i think great games should get to be playd by everyone.
Yeah, obviously. But console exclusives are really needed to shift consoles. So when Microsoft decide to buy game rights (not saying they did with FFXIII, who knows) but Sony have a policy against doing that...it will bite Sony in the ass. If there's no reason to buy a console and it has sold few, whats to stop a game then going exclusive to 360.
I'm not too bothered by the FFXIII news purely because I hate Final Fantasy, always have. Never looked forward to a single release. But it is a small blow for Sony. It's not going to kill the console off, but it's yet another annoyance, and shows the360 is doing well.
Sony better have a solid E3 today or i'll have a 360 by the end of the month. I'm great with my PS3, always a game to play for it etc. but i'd buy a 360 purely because of the future. And Viva Pinata. It's mainly Viva Pinata thuugh
i bet its going to be an epic final fantasy 7 18disc monster..while ps3 gets it and more on 1 little blu ray
and wtf is all these xbox fanboys so happy for?ff isnt exclusive on your machine either so your all screwed as well...name a game on xbox thats exclusive?halo?gears of war?all on pc ladies. you can have your banjo..i wouldn't play it if i had it for free. another note: ms have wasted huge amount of cash to buy this title..in an attempt to buy asia's love..which will end in massive fail. xbox is unknown..why would they ditch a ps3 and buy xbox for 1 game?
The bigger question to me is that why is Microsoft so dependent on Playstation franchises for the 360's survival?
Is that because their own franchises don't really amount to anything?
A slighty more important question that has a much greater basis in reality would be, as an example, "Who would win in a fight between He-Man and Marshall Bravestarr?".
If you wanted to stay strictly on topic, you could ask "Why are Sony so damn dependent on third-party developer franchises, when it's clear that these third parties are going to look at the sales figures and start bringing out their games for the Xbox 360, thus depriving Sony of some very influential exclusive titles?"
Sitting here and blatantly making things up isn't going to win you any Nerd Points around here, it's just going to make you look like somebody who's descended so far into Fanboy Fantasyland that he's lost all grip on reality.
The bigger question to me is that why is Microsoft so dependent on Playstation franchises for the 360's survival?
Is that because their own franchises don't really amount to anything?
A slighty more important question that has a much greater basis in reality would be, as an example, "Who would win in a fight between He-Man and Marshall Bravestarr?".
Bravestarr would clearly kick He-Man's ass.
More on topic, its a bit of a blow for Sony as there are plenty of people who would have seen FF13 as a serious incentive to buy a PS3 but its not the death knel that some people on here are saying. Sony would be complete idiots if they were completely reliant on this one game (and as many silly things as they have done the last couple of years they're not that far gone into madness).
i bet its going to be an epic final fantasy 7 18disc monster..while ps3 gets it and more on 1 little blu ray
Blu-Ray disc - 50 gig 18 DVDs - 162 gig.
Please explain to me why this would take 18 DVDs to play this. At worst, I'd suggest it'd be on par with Lost Odyssey, and be on 4 discs.
and wtf is all these xbox fanboys so happy for?ff isnt exclusive on your machine either so your all screwed as well...
How are Xbox owners screwed cos they are getting a game they previously thought was a Playstation exclusive? Can you not see why that might make some people happy?
name a game on xbox thats exclusive?halo?gears of war?all on pc ladies. you can have your banjo..i wouldn't play it if i had it for free.
And that speaks volumes about you. Banjo Kazooie was a brilliant game, and this new one is shaping up nicely by the looks of it.
another note: ms have wasted huge amount of cash to buy this title..in an attempt to buy asia's love..which will end in massive fail.
I thought it was still exclusively on PS3 in Japan?
xbox is unknown..why would they ditch a ps3 and buy xbox for 1 game?
It's not that at all. If anything, it's to stop people ditching the Xbox to buy a PS3 for one game. If that same game is on both systems, why would someone sell up?
Well apparently its still exclusive to ps3 in japan an they'll get to play it long before american an european gamers, personally i see this coming the way square enix as been acting lately, does'nt bother me in the slightest tho hav'nt bothered with any of the past games.
I don't care if its on 3 or 4 disks, it'll take a lot less time to change disks two or three times than the guaranteed mandatory install on the PS3.
I don't know why you MS fanboys make such a big deal of this fact. I have personally never had to wait more than about 5 mins for an install and I can tell you I'd much rather install it once and be done with than have to keep getting up and changing discs. I often play games while lying on my bed with a pint close to hand so it would certainly p**s me off to have to get up - although the PS3 disc loader does indeed make this a pleasurable task.
and wtf is all these xbox fanboys so happy for?ff isnt exclusive on your machine either
Maybe because they can play the game on a system they own.
Do some machines only play exclusives or something?
from what these xbots say...you would think that
The reason why so many 360 owners are making a big deal of this is because of all the s**t idiots like you and your brethren were spouting about how FF was a major selling point for the PS3, and now people have another reason not to give a s**t about it!
If FF does sell well on the 360 in Europe & North America, I can definitely see Konami having a rethink about bringing Metal Gear to the Xbox as I'm sure that it hasn't sold anywhere near as well as they'd hoped!
Yes, let's not forget that it takes Square 6-8 months to localize these games for the English speaking world, and almost a year for the European languages. Could be quite a wait before any of this becomes relevant to any of us.
@ Marty, i honestly wouldnt play a game like banjo...the first 1 was crap imo. hate games like that..even if it was on ps3..
18disc monster was a joke and u know so don't be so condescending and grow up..the ff7 was a monster and had i think 7 cd's (correct me if im wrong)
i refer to the 100+ posts from xbots saying ps3 owners are screwed?why would we be screwed?we both have the same game..as many many games are now multi-format.
SO funny how so many Sony Fanboys are coming out now & say well FF is s**t anyway... when last week it was the best thing since t**s that leak beer... anyway, this is good for the 360, not bad for the PS3, i think great games should get to be playd by everyone.
Hello gamers...
The FF series is not s**t (especially 7) and FF13 could turn out to be great, we'll have to see about that. In anycase, PS3 fanboy's who are coming out with "FF is s**t" statements today - should be reminded about what they've said in the past.
Why?
A) FF13 in Asia is PS3 only. FF13 will sell another 1M+ PS3's at least in Japan.
B) The rest of the Asian market. i.e. Chinese PS3 sales. It is pretty much untapped, but exclusive titles like FF13 in that area will help to ensure a growing PS3 user base rather than a 360 user base. A Chinese PS3 market will ensure 3rd party developers give the PS3 some love.
C) The 360 is not selling very well in Asia at all and this news fully ensures the 360's demise in Asia. That means Sony can focus on improving the US & EU PS3 user base with AAA new IP's.
D) When Sony announces PS2 backward compatibility. PS2 owners in the US / EU are even more likely to upgrade to PS3 and not the 360. With that in mind - those gamers will be buying FF13 on PS3 - not the 360.
E) The PS3 started the year on around 12M units world wide. That figure is now around 15M. The 360 hasn't really moved from 19-20M, even with the 360's price cuts. The public is aware of the £40 XBL fee. The public is aware 360 HDD's are over priced. The public is aware that the 360 does not have Blu-ray.
F) Gamers with a 360 AND PS3 wouldn't likely buy FF13 on 6 DVD's when they can get it on 1 Blu-ray. This news only benefits the number of gamers with only a 360 who specifically want FF13 and cannot afford a PS3. I doubt that figure reaches hundreds of thousands, let alone millions of people.
XBox 360 owners should be worried. The 360's price cuts indicate that the console will be relegated by MS in 2009, probably before FF13 even arrives... The dashboard & Netflix announcements are signs of panic and desperation in the face of Sony's online movie service, PS3 firmware improvements and Home.
Wow..... fanboys should all be donated to science. I've never felt so ashamed of being a person as I am now after reading this thread. Final fantasy 13 was always a multi platform release you idiots, ever since it was announced so try taking your peckers out your xbox360 a moment and think before you disgrace yourself even more. And there hasn't really been a good FF game since FFX so I won't get your hopes up about XIII much either.
yeah! lordvonps3 has arrived! the voice of reason but he makes sense..its true. plus its great that more ppl will play a game like FF thus increasing its potential for future games (and release a decent mmo version lol)
but tbh...personally i would never buy a microsoft product (other than the forced apps like windows)..they are just a production line of s**t. vista is a prime example, they are ALREADY ditching vista for the next version of windows..like they will do with your beloved xbox
SO funny how so many Sony Fanboys are coming out now & say well FF is s**t anyway... when last week it was the best thing since t**s that leak beer... anyway, this is good for the 360, not bad for the PS3, i think great games should get to be playd by everyone.
Hello gamers...
The FF series is not s**t (especially 7) and FF13 could turn out to be great, we'll have to see about that. In anycase, PS3 fanboy's who are coming out with "FF is s**t" statements today - should be reminded about what they've said in the past.
Why?
A) FF13 in Asia is PS3 only. FF13 will sell another 1M+ PS3's at least in Japan.
B) The rest of the Asian market. i.e. Chinese PS3 sales. It is pretty much untapped, but exclusive titles like FF13 in that area will help to ensure a growing PS3 user base rather than a 360 user base. A Chinese PS3 market will ensure 3rd party developers give the PS3 some love.
C) The 360 is not selling very well in Asia at all and this news fully ensures the 360's demise in Asia. That means Sony can focus on improving the US & EU PS3 user base with AAA new IP's.
D) When Sony announces PS2 backward compatibility. PS2 owners in the US / EU are even more likely to upgrade to PS3 and not the 360. With that in mind - those gamers will be buying FF13 on PS3 - not the 360.
E) The PS3 started the year on around 12M units world wide. That figure is now around 15M. The 360 hasn't really moved from 19-20M, even with the 360's price cuts. The public is aware of the £40 XBL fee. The public is aware 360 HDD's are over priced. The public is aware that the 360 does not have Blu-ray.
F) Gamers with a 360 AND PS3 wouldn't likely buy FF13 on 6 DVD's when they can get it on 1 Blu-ray. This news only benefits the number of gamers with only a 360 who specifically want FF13 and cannot afford a PS3. I doubt that figure reaches hundreds of thousands, let alone millions of people.
XBox 360 owners should be worried. The 360's price cuts indicate that the console will be relegated by MS in 2009, probably before FF13 even arrives... The dashboard & Netflix announcements are signs of panic and desperation in the face of Sony's online movie service, PS3 firmware improvements and Home.
you've got waaaaaay too much time on your hands, ever considered going out?, meeting a girl? or just talking to someone?... Sony will survive without your support for a few hours!, go on LIVE!!!... haha, seriously, wot the f**k are u on about?, the 360 isn't doing well in Japan NEWSFLASH!!, so what, its storming everywhere else...OOOPS, i just realised im being dragged down to your level!... you.
(E) The PS3 started the year on around 12M units world wide. That figure is now around 15M. The 360 hasn't really moved from 19-20M, even with the 360's price cuts. The public is aware of the £40 XBL fee. The public is aware 360 HDD's are over priced. The public is aware that the 360 does not have Blu-ray.
Honestly, I really doubt the public are aware of this - at least outside of hardcore gamer circles.
Go ask my mother - bet she responds with 'What's Blu-Ray? What's an HDD? What's an Xbox?'
The bigger question to me is that why is Microsoft so dependent on Playstation franchises for the 360's survival?
Is that because their own franchises don't really amount to anything?
A slighty more important question that has a much greater basis in reality would be, as an example, "Who would win in a fight between He-Man and Marshall Bravestarr?".
If you wanted to stay strictly on topic, you could ask "Why are Sony so damn dependent on third-party developer franchises, when it's clear that these third parties are going to look at the sales figures and start bringing out their games for the Xbox 360, thus depriving Sony of some very influential exclusive titles?"
Sitting here and blatantly making things up isn't going to win you any Nerd Points around here, it's just going to make you look like somebody who's descended so far into Fanboy Fantasyland that he's lost all grip on reality.
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
He makes a valid point. So from Microsofts E3, we have Scene It? and Lips : Two rip-offs of mass market franchises, a stolen IP in the form of Final Fantasy (acquired by M$s open cheque book), and the rest sequals and the xbots favourite ; the shooty games.
@ Marty, i honestly wouldnt play a game like banjo...the first 1 was crap imo. hate games like that..even if it was on ps3..
18disc monster was a joke and u know so don't be so condescending and grow up..the ff7 was a monster and had i think 7 cd's (correct me if im wrong)
i refer to the 100+ posts from xbots saying ps3 owners are screwed?why would we be screwed?we both have the same game..as many many games are now multi-format.
FF7 came on 3 CD's .
I would say this is more of a psychological blow for Sony rather than a business one.
wot the f**k are u on about?, the 360 isn't doing well in Japan NEWSFLASH!!, so what, its storming everywhere else...OOOPS, i just realised im being dragged down to your level!... you.
The 360 isn't doing well ANYWHERE! Not even a million sales since January '08! That's even despite price cuts to try and get the 360 market going again!
NO-ONE CARES ABOUT THE 360 ANYMORE!
Microsoft can use all the help they can get right now and JRPG's in a US / EU market on a console that isn't selling certainly won't!
FF13 will sell in the US / EU - and it will be selling on the PS3!
(E) The PS3 started the year on around 12M units world wide. That figure is now around 15M. The 360 hasn't really moved from 19-20M, even with the 360's price cuts. The public is aware of the £40 XBL fee. The public is aware 360 HDD's are over priced. The public is aware that the 360 does not have Blu-ray.
Honestly, I really doubt the public are aware of this - at least outside of hardcore gamer circles.
Go ask my mother - bet she responds with 'What's Blu-Ray? What's an HDD? What's an Xbox?'
Hardcore gamers are the first people the general public asks for advice when buying a new games console.
Microsoft can't sell 360's, but then who wants to buy a box of broken parts? No offence intended.
a stolen IP in the form of Final Fantasy (acquired by M$s open cheque book)
You do realise that if you PAY for something, it's not stolen?
Also, you realise that Sony have shown off Killzone 2, Resistance 2, God of War 3, SOCOM and Bioshock - all of which can be describe as violent or shooty... Blind to the obvious perhaps?
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
Oooooh, here he comes. The self-admitted PS3 Fanboy who tries to start flamewars then goes running crying to an Admin with multiple accounts when it all goes horribly wrong for him.
You're already a laughing stock around these parts, why do you keep doing this to yourself? It's not like you've ever come out as looking anything but a complete idiot every time so far.
Microsoft can't sell 360's, but then who wants to buy a box of broken parts? No offence intended.
Why would I take offence? I don't own Microsoft. I don't even work for them. And hell, even if I did, it wouldn't be enough to buy my loyalty to such a degree that I would personally take offence from insulting it's products.
BTW, my Xbox works fine *shrug* Guess I'm just lucky.
square enix saw the blank cheque and cash in you loser
Is that supposed to add weight to the 'no-one cares about the 360' argument?
You can't blame Square Enix either. Frankly, I'm amazed any console has exclusives these days. The sooner we have ONE format, the better IMO. Then these bulls**t arguments will stop.
Microsoft : Square Enix, please accept this cheque to deliver FF13 on XBox 360.
Square Enix : Ah yes, a fine tidy sum indeed. We'll see about how to port it, but keep in mind it will most likely need about 6 DVD's... Oh and we can't help you in Asia I'm afraid - Sony have got us exclusively there.
Microsoft : Ah, I see. Well, anything is better than nothing, we're desperate.
Square Enix : Sure. We can see that... It might take a year or so to convert...
Microsoft : Ah, if we give you some more money, can you delay the PS3 version in the West as well.
Square Enix : We've named the price. Can you match it?
Microsoft : Yes, yes, of course... Thanks for helping us out, we really need it!
square enix saw the blank cheque and cashed in you loser
I'd like to see you post citations that show that money has changed hands between Microsoft and Square-Enix, otherwise I'm going to have to assume that you're making things up.
I don't think that you can blame MS for this one, it looks more like Square-Enix have looked at the sales figures in the west and decided that a multi-format release would make them a lot more money.
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
To be fair, it did. It was made for PS and went to PC too.
First one was on PC then butchered to work on the PS1
I really don't see why PS3 owners are upset. It's STILL being released for the PS3. Not only that but it will come on one disc and most-likely look slightly better due to it being the lead development platform.
Who care's if the 360 gets it too? It's does not harm the PS3 version in any way.
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
Oooooh, here he comes. The self-admitted PS3 Fanboy who tries to start flamewars then goes running crying to an Admin with multiple accounts when it all goes horribly wrong for him.
You're already a laughing stock around these parts, why do you keep doing this to yourself? It's not like you've ever come out as looking anything but a complete idiot every time so far.
I think it was you who went crying to admin and made the editor send me a warning through a PM, when you couldn't take the heat because I made a homophobic slur.
And it was YOU who invented another account with the name "suiva1oom" to try and cover the twisted hate you spew.
36yr olds shouldn't be fanboys. There is something wrong there.
Microsoft : Square Enix, please accept this cheque to deliver FF13 on XBox 360.
Square Enix : Ah yes, a fine tidy sum indeed. We'll see about how to port it, but keep in mind it will most likely need about 6 DVD's... Oh and we can't help you in Asia I'm afraid - Sony have got us exclusively there.
Microsoft : Ah, I see. Well, anything is better than nothing, we're desperate.
Square Enix : Sure. We can see that... It might take a year or so to convert...
Microsoft : Ah, if we give you some more money, can you delay the PS3 version in the West as well.
Square Enix : We've named the price. Can you match it?
Microsoft : Yes, yes, of course... Thanks for helping us out, we really need it!
It may well have gone that way. Or it may well have a been a meeting in Square Enix that went something like 'sh*t, we really need to sell a bucket load of FFXIII, and the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to guarantee this. Lets bring it to the 360 too, more than doubling the potential customers'...
We will, however, NEVER know exactly what happened here, so anything you say is pure conjecture.
Microsoft : Square Enix, please accept this cheque to deliver FF13 on XBox 360.
Square Enix : Ah yes, a fine tidy sum indeed. We'll see about how to port it, but keep in mind it will most likely need about 6 DVD's... Oh and we can't help you in Asia I'm afraid - Sony have got us exclusively there.
Microsoft : Ah, I see. Well, anything is better than nothing, we're desperate.
Square Enix : Sure. We can see that... It might take a year or so to convert...
Microsoft : Ah, if we give you some more money, can you delay the PS3 version in the West as well.
Square Enix : We've named the price. Can you match it?
Microsoft : Yes, yes, of course... Thanks for helping us out, we really need it!
Nah, that was your wet dream version of the conversation, what really happened was:-
Square Enix: Hi Bill! We've just seen the sales figures for Metal Gear and hear that Konami's developers are gonnna have to donate a kidney each to recoup some of the dev costs! What the f**k are we going to do?
Microsoft: It's OK guys...release it on the 360 with our blessing which guarantess you sensible profits and you keep your organs intact!
Square Enix: But won't Sony be upset?
Microsoft: No, they won't even notice...all their efforts are going into a pointless online service and making sure that the next firmware isn't a f**k-up!
square enix saw the blank cheque and cash in you loser
Is that supposed to add weight to the 'no-one cares about the 360' argument?
You can't blame Square Enix either. Frankly, I'm amazed any console has exclusives these days. The sooner we have ONE format, the better IMO. Then these bulls**t arguments will stop.
Well, there are some things that even Microsoft cannot buy.
Sony stated only weeks ago that due to 3rd party titles appearing multi-platform, the key factor in winning the 'gaming' war lies in 1st party exclusive development.
That's why Sony are happy to let some things go, they are indeed working on and investing in innovative games for the PS3. Games innovation on 360 is limited to XBL programmer's bedrooms. Not that I'm knocking that, because as an old school gamer - I see the appeal and I'm sure there'll be a few good small titles that will help keep 360 owners tied over... It won't sell any 360's in the face of new PS3 developments though.
Sony stated only weeks ago that due to 3rd party titles appearing multi-platform, the key factor in winning the 'gaming' war lies in 1st party exclusive development.
Which is why I wholeheartedly support one standard format. Let Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Samsung, Phillips, whoever wants to make a console to one spec. Then let the innovation come to the games instead.
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
Oooooh, here he comes. The self-admitted PS3 Fanboy who tries to start flamewars then goes running crying to an Admin with multiple accounts when it all goes horribly wrong for him.
You're already a laughing stock around these parts, why do you keep doing this to yourself? It's not like you've ever come out as looking anything but a complete idiot every time so far.
I think it was you who went crying to admin and made the editor send me a warning through a PM, when you couldn't take the heat because I made a homophobic slur.
And it was YOU who invented another account with the name "suiva1oom" to try and cover the twisted hate you spew.
36yr olds shouldn't be fanboys. There is something wrong there.
Oh, that's desperation right there. The Admin in question actually told me exactly what you'd told him in your message to him, when you went running for help...
I think it was also established at the time that the only reason you started accusing me of being behind a second account was because I was the one who outed you as 'warpedAI', and you were desperate for some petty revenge...
It may well have gone that way. Or it may well have a been a meeting in Square Enix that went something like 'sh*t, we really need to sell a bucket load of FFXIII, and the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to guarantee this. Lets bring it to the 360 too, more than doubling the potential customers'...
We will, however, NEVER know exactly what happened here, so anything you say is pure conjecture.
Oh really?
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
That's one possible scenario. The other one is that FFXIII has been in development for the X360 for a very long time, and decided to keep it quiet for a number of reasons.
Who knows, this announcement could have been planned 12 months ago for all we know.
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
That's one possible scenario. The other one is that FFXIII has been in development for the X360 for a very long time, and decided to keep it quiet for a number of reasons.
Who knows, this announcement could have been planned 12 months ago for all we know.
Highly possible, with development costs being what they are it makes sense to maximise your return by selling on multiple formats.
While they won't make much money out of the 360 version in Japan they'll make a lot more in Europe and the US.
SO funny how so many Sony Fanboys are coming out now & say well FF is s**t anyway... when last week it was the best thing since t**s that leak beer... anyway, this is good for the 360, not bad for the PS3, i think great games should get to be playd by everyone.
Hello gamers...
The FF series is not s**t (especially 7) and FF13 could turn out to be great, we'll have to see about that. In anycase, PS3 fanboy's who are coming out with "FF is s**t" statements today - should be reminded about what they've said in the past.
Why?
A) FF13 in Asia is PS3 only. FF13 will sell another 1M+ PS3's at least in Japan.
B) The rest of the Asian market. i.e. Chinese PS3 sales. It is pretty much untapped, but exclusive titles like FF13 in that area will help to ensure a growing PS3 user base rather than a 360 user base. A Chinese PS3 market will ensure 3rd party developers give the PS3 some love.
C) The 360 is not selling very well in Asia at all and this news fully ensures the 360's demise in Asia. That means Sony can focus on improving the US & EU PS3 user base with AAA new IP's.
D) When Sony announces PS2 backward compatibility. PS2 owners in the US / EU are even more likely to upgrade to PS3 and not the 360. With that in mind - those gamers will be buying FF13 on PS3 - not the 360.
E) The PS3 started the year on around 12M units world wide. That figure is now around 15M. The 360 hasn't really moved from 19-20M, even with the 360's price cuts. The public is aware of the £40 XBL fee. The public is aware 360 HDD's are over priced. The public is aware that the 360 does not have Blu-ray.
F) Gamers with a 360 AND PS3 wouldn't likely buy FF13 on 6 DVD's when they can get it on 1 Blu-ray. This news only benefits the number of gamers with only a 360 who specifically want FF13 and cannot afford a PS3. I doubt that figure reaches hundreds of thousands, let alone millions of people.
XBox 360 owners should be worried. The 360's price cuts indicate that the console will be relegated by MS in 2009, probably before FF13 even arrives... The dashboard & Netflix announcements are signs of panic and desperation in the face of Sony's online movie service, PS3 firmware improvements and Home.
Yeah sony's biggest announcement from their E3 press con: the 40gb ps3 will become a budget ps3 for beginners priced at £199, we will also be introducding a new slimer ps3 with a 160gb hard drive priced at £299, also backwards compatabilty for ps2 games will be made avaliable for existing 40gb ps3 consoles via a firmware update and made avaliable straight out the box for the ps3 sku's in production, also HOME will be ready for release at the start of september 08, highly unlikely they'll do this tho, i think sony's E3 will be very poor now.
FF13 will sell in the US / EU - and it will be selling on the PS3!
isnt that what lots of the fanboys said about GTA4, and im quoting quite a few of them here when i say it - "people associatte GTA with the playstation brand"... and the PS3 didnt sell as many copies of GTA did it...why see it as a kick in the balls???? id rather see it as games reaching a wider audience which can only be good for gamers.... just for the record i hate turn based games like this anyway, but thats just my opinion...
It may well have gone that way. Or it may well have a been a meeting in Square Enix that went something like 'sh*t, we really need to sell a bucket load of FFXIII, and the PS3 just doesn't have the install base to guarantee this. Lets bring it to the 360 too, more than doubling the potential customers'...
We will, however, NEVER know exactly what happened here, so anything you say is pure conjecture.
Oh really?
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
Look, you might be making an educated guess, heard from a guy that works ot Square, or simply making things up - whatever the situation, you, nor I, KNOW how this came about. And like I said, I doubt we ever will.
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
Oooooh, here he comes. The self-admitted PS3 Fanboy who tries to start flamewars then goes running crying to an Admin with multiple accounts when it all goes horribly wrong for him.
You're already a laughing stock around these parts, why do you keep doing this to yourself? It's not like you've ever come out as looking anything but a complete idiot every time so far.
I think it was you who went crying to admin and made the editor send me a warning through a PM, when you couldn't take the heat because I made a homophobic slur.
And it was YOU who invented another account with the name "suiva1oom" to try and cover the twisted hate you spew.
36yr olds shouldn't be fanboys. There is something wrong there.
Oh, that's desperation right there. The Admin in question actually told me exactly what you'd told him in your message to him, when you went running for help...
I think it was also established at the time that the only reason you started accusing me of being behind a second account was because I was the one who outed you as 'warpedAI', and you were desperate for some petty revenge...
Yeah and you shouldn't be here. Your pathetic insulting of one's mother and father is childish to say the least.
We all saw your true colours on that day. I may be a Sony die-hard, but at least I don't get so angry and hateful about it that I completely and utterly insult someone's family.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and don't expect a Christmas card from me sonny jim.
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
That's one possible scenario. The other one is that FFXIII has been in development for the X360 for a very long time, and decided to keep it quiet for a number of reasons.
Who knows, this announcement could have been planned 12 months ago for all we know.
I'm not buying. If that idea was planned 12 months ago, it would have been announced at E3 2007 when the 360 was at its peak.
I'd prefer to play FF13 on the 360 pad anyways. The Sixaxis pad was lighter than a helium fart. And I'm not going to pay an extra £40 on top of the PS3 for a pad that should have been bundled with the console to f**king start with.
If that were true - the western PS3 version of FF13 would be hitting BEFORE the 360 version as there's language conversion work to be done to the Asian version which will be released FIRST. Language conversion work is not the same level of work as a whole game port (to several DVD's might I also add).
Think carefully about it. The only way a SIMULTANEOUS US / EU day and date release could have happened is if Microsoft PAID Square Enix.
That's one possible scenario. The other one is that FFXIII has been in development for the X360 for a very long time, and decided to keep it quiet for a number of reasons.
Who knows, this announcement could have been planned 12 months ago for all we know.
I'm not buying. If that idea was planned 12 months ago, it would have been announced at E3 2007 when the 360 was at its peak.
Maybe they didn't know if they could cover the development on both consoles in terms of man power? Then after they find they could they made the announcement?
Highly possible, with development costs being what they are it makes sense to maximise your return by selling on multiple formats.
While they won't make much money out of the 360 version in Japan they'll make a lot more in Europe and the US.
1. It isn't being sold on the 360 in Japan. The 360 isn't really even selling in Japan and yet Japan is where FF13 will sell the most of all the regions and it will do it exclusively on PS3!
2. The FF series has never sold in the US or EU as well as it has in Japan. As a 360 owner reminded me today...
FF 12 sold approx 5.2M : > 2.4 million in Japan. > 1.7 million in US. > 1.1 million in Europe.
With the game available on a single BD, FF13 will sell more copies on PS3 than on 360. Anyone who has both 360 + PS3 will most likely see the sense of buying it on PS3.
The only benefit of FF13 on 360 is that those Westerners with a 360 who cannot afford a PS3 and specifically want FF13 are sorted.
Hmmm, Im not sure why everyone seems to think that sonys future is now over because FFXIII is going to be on 360. I had FFXI on 360, and the sky didnt fall down then, so being honest I cant see FFXIII affecting the overall going of things. Yes, 360 is a great machine with some smart games, good online service but PS3 is doing really well now and everyone seems to of not noticed. Its has sold quicker then the PS2 dispite its price tag, it has already outsold the 360 in Europe and Japan. I think stuff like Killzone and LBP will make more impact than FFXIII
This is quite possibly the funniest thread that I've seen on CVG!
Like most other multiformat games it will probably be a fiver cheaper on 360, which means unless it is significantly better on PS3 I'll be picking up the 20 disc version on 360
Who said that MS paid for this, if they had they would've been bragging about it like they did with GTA4
The only benefit of FF13 on 360 is that those Westerners with a 360 who cannot afford a PS3 and specifically want FF13 are sorted.
Have you considered that there are other reasons people don't own a PS3 other than 'can't afford one'.
My nephew, for example, loves the Final Fantasy games. His reason to get a PS3 was for this game. Now it's coming to the 360 (a console he already owns), so he has no reason to get a PS3.
And as for not being able to afford one, he still lives with his mum (he's 17), has a full time job, and as far as I can see, no outgoings whatsoever. In fact, he almost certainly has more disposable income than I do.
Maybe they didn't know if they could cover the development on both consoles in terms of man power? Then after they find they could they made the announcement?
Keep clutching at straws.
Development of FF13 was announced at E3 2006. 2 years to work out you don't have the man power? Tell me another one...
@ Headspin... The PS3 version uses 1 BD. The 360 will use several DVD's. That's not the same situation as GTA 4 being developed 1:1 on PS3 & 360. The PS3 version of FF13 will still be the one to buy.
The fact that this thread, after only a day of being announced, is 9 pages long just shows how big of a loss for PS3 this is and how much of a gain for 360. I own all 3 consoles and I have stated before, I pretty much bought my PS3 for MGS4 and FF13 as I thought they were nailed down exclusives and well...PS3 doesn;t have any other good games. I've already completed MGS4 and now that FF13 is on 360, I'll be getting it for that and feel slightly cheated that Sony have let this game slip through their fingers after bigging it up so much as an exclusive. Obviously they are too busy promoting the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and ensuring they have their virtual dating system, Home, out by the end of the year... To sum this up, I feel like PS3 has been a waste of money. Bar God of War 3 and LBP, there are no promising exclusives to look forward to in the near future while 360 has a stellar line-up and yet another 5 million plus seller with Gears 2. To sum it up, this generation has about 2-3 years left and there's no way PS3 will catch up and will simply be remembered as a failure of a console that ended up being used soley as a Blu-Ray player...
This is quite possibly the funniest thread that I've seen on CVG!
Like most other multiformat games it will probably be a fiver cheaper on 360, which means unless it is significantly better on PS3 I'll be picking up the 20 disc version on 360
Who said that MS paid for this, if they had they would've been bragging about it like they did with GTA4
You forget that FF13 is multi-platform with full exclusivity and timed lead on PS3 in Asia.
Microsoft are only getting the game in the US / EU - and on multiple DVD's. They certainly can't claim exclusivity, so its not as if they could brag... Though it seems Microsoft are trying to anyway. It all amounts to one thing. Fear.
This is quite possibly the funniest thread that I've seen on CVG!
Like most other multiformat games it will probably be a fiver cheaper on 360, which means unless it is significantly better on PS3 I'll be picking up the 20 disc version on 360
Who said that MS paid for this, if they had they would've been bragging about it like they did with GTA4
Lol 20 discs, the funny thing is that it might actually have to be released in a dvd boxset style. looks like you get more for your money i guess
Microsoft are only getting the game in the US / EU - and on multiple DVD's. They certainly can't claim exclusivity, so its not as if they could brag... Though it seems Microsoft are trying to anyway. It all amounts to one thing. Fear.
I don't really see that Microsoft has anything to do with it. It looks to me that the blame lays Squarely with the publishers for this situation. *BOOM BOOM!!*
Let's not forget that it's Yoichi Wada himself that's done most of the talking so far.
Wow, how sad 99% of the comments on this topic have been, pathetic really. You'll either buy the game for whatever system or you won't. Why the hostility? do you acutally work or have shares in Microsoft or Sony?
Soo many pointless views that i couldn't be bothered to read. How you guys have the audacity to wonder why gamers are looked down upon and why they are constanly targeted in the press is beyond me.
As for people saying they bought a console for just 1 or 2 games, they are quite simply nothing less than muppets anyway, like we care what you bought it for!
Er,,, surely it is very simple. Buy the game for whichever console you have or prefer.
Why all this hate for a stupid machine? Do you guys in here own shares within these companies, or, are you treating the only machine you can afford as a family member or something?
The whole thing is just so petty and sad.
POLL
Anyone who has posted in, or been reading these comments so far is either...
a) Very naive in thinking they'd be able to come in here & have a civil discussion about the subject matter.
b) A complete moron that came in here for nothing more than a fanboy, flamewar.
c) Kicking back & laughing at you all.
Which one are you?
To answer the poll, it is C for the most part. Hey, Monkey! Can you add an option D please?
1. It isn't being sold on the 360 in Japan. The 360 isn't really even selling in Japan and yet Japan is where FF13 will sell the most of all the regions and it will do it exclusively on PS3!
2. The FF series has never sold in the US or EU as well as it has in Japan. As a 360 owner reminded me today...
FF 12 sold approx 5.2M : > 2.4 million in Japan. > 1.7 million in US. > 1.1 million in Europe.
Hmm, so that would make it more profitable to cater for the European and US markets than introvertly focus on the home Japanese one. Which is what they are doing by bringing it to the Xbox360
With the game available on a single BD, FF13 will sell more copies on PS3 than on 360. Anyone who has both 360 + PS3 will most likely see the sense of buying it on PS3.
I don't expect lots of people to own both actually. Especially as neither has yet reached a truely mass market price point.
The only benefit of FF13 on 360 is that those Westerners with a 360 who cannot afford a PS3 and specifically want FF13 are sorted.
Cannot afford a PS3, do not want one, or did want one for FF13 but don't anymore. LOL. There's a lot of those I think, probably a good proportion of the 2.8 million westerners who bought FFXII..
wow, wonder how much M$ paid for that? they realy dont have any games left after all should be interesting to see the 4 disk case it will come in, just like old times! ^_^ but seriously, is it both ff13 games or what? and as for games on ps3: littlebigplanet killzone2 resistance2 siren Ico/SOTC -(next) Home (not a game i know) Uncharted2 god of war3 plus tomorow will hold more!
and im not that much of a fanboy, i know sony need to pull their thumb out wit the games and the only thing stopping me getting a 360 is the console itself, i cant afford all the replacements and rebuying scrached games. i want a Wii and that will do me untill M$ can show me some games i must have (hate halo, and gears was pants, honestly it was.....) sorry ^_^
now let the ripping of my flesh begin......sigh
Sorry but you've put yourself in the line a fire with the list of games no ones really excited about, personally I don't really like the FF games but you must be a fanboy with the rubbish you said at the end about not being able to afford replacements (any imbecile who still thinks you have to pay for a faulty 360 to be rplaced is a cretin or a Sony fanboy) and whats all this crap about scrathed games? I've had one game break down on me (COD4) and got it replaced free by game and to this day it still works. How can you seriously slag off Gears of war but get excited about complete crap like littlebigplanet, killzone2,resistance 2 and siren. Pure Sony fanboy bollox as usual!
To whoever said it takes longer to port a game than do Japanese to English translation, er, I think you're probably wrong. The amount of text and dialogue to be translated for a game like FF13 is huge. Voice actors need to be casted and recorded and script needs editing to not make too large a change in the audio footprint of the title. It's far from insignificant.
Porting from PS3 to 360 is going to be fairly trivial in all honesty.
I have a 360 and told myself i would buy a PS3 when there are 5 exclusives on it that i want and this just brought the total of games i want on the console down to 2 sorry sony doesnt look like ill be getting you any time soon
Er,,, surely it is very simple. Buy the game for whichever console you have or prefer.
Why all this hate for a stupid machine? Do you guys in here own shares within these companies, or, are you treating the only machine you can afford as a family member or something?
The whole thing is just so petty and sad.
POLL
Anyone who has posted in, or been reading these comments so far is either...
a) Very naive in thinking they'd be able to come in here & have a civil discussion about the subject matter.
b) A complete moron that came in here for nothing more than a fanboy, flamewar.
c) Kicking back & laughing at you all.
Which one are you?
To answer the poll, it is C for the most part. Hey, Monkey! Can you add an option D please?
Option D? What would that be then?
Option D: Is part of a cult that worships machines.
Whahahahaha.Hey sorry excuse me Mr. Sony, you dropped your exclusive!Not going to get this game on 360 anyway as it will probably be about 20 DVDs but hooray,share the fun
the best thing msoft had was a ps3 game, I can't understand why their top brass a feeling so upbeat about it, that their "show stealer" was a ps3 game.
Er,,, surely it is very simple. Buy the game for whichever console you have or prefer.
Why all this hate for a stupid machine? Do you guys in here own shares within these companies, or, are you treating the only machine you can afford as a family member or something?
The whole thing is just so petty and sad.
POLL
Anyone who has posted in, or been reading these comments so far is either...
a) Very naive in thinking they'd be able to come in here & have a civil discussion about the subject matter.
b) A complete moron that came in here for nothing more than a fanboy, flamewar.
c) Kicking back & laughing at you all.
Which one are you?
To answer the poll, it is C for the most part. Hey, Monkey! Can you add an option D please?
Option D? What would that be then?
Option D: Is part of a cult that worships machines.
Haha! Nice. Judging from the behaviour of some people that could well be the case.
Seriously though, I just don't get it all. All three machines are doing well & securing their place in the future of gaming. Things have never been better. We have lots of games coming out on all platforms & the competition is exremely healthy atm. What do people have to complain about?
Perhaps it is supposed to be a will waving contest on this forum. Mine is bigger than yours, blah, blah, blah. I agree, 3 consoles all doing well, price drops, more games coming out on all systems, more people getting to play more good games. All's good I think.
the best thing msoft had was a ps3 game, I can't understand why their top brass a feeling so upbeat about it, that their "show stealer" was a ps3 game.
So you don't understand why Microsoft are pleased that FFXIII is going to be released on their console, and you thought you'd let us all know about it?
If I were in the position of not understanding such a simple concept, I'd personally do a little bit of research before wandering in here and making brash statements, lest I embarrassed myself.
the best thing msoft had was a ps3 game, I can't understand why their top brass a feeling so upbeat about it, that their "show stealer" was a ps3 game.
So you don't understand why Microsoft are pleased that FFXIII is going to be released on their console, and you thought you'd let us all know about it?
If I were in the position of not understanding such a simple concept, I'd personally do a little bit of research before wandering in here and making brash statements, lest I embarrassed myself.
Also, might be worth pointing out that Microsofts 'show stealer' wasn't a PS3 game at all. Assuming you are referring to FFXIII, this is a multi-format game.
Microsoft are only getting the game in the US / EU - and on multiple DVD's. They certainly can't claim exclusivity, so its not as if they could brag... Though it seems Microsoft are trying to anyway. It all amounts to one thing. Fear.
I don't really see that Microsoft has anything to do with it. It looks to me that the blame lays Squarely with the publishers for this situation. *BOOM BOOM!!*
Let's not forget that it's Yoichi Wada himself that's done most of the talking so far.
Then why would Microsoft announce SE and FF13 during their keynote? SE would be at the show independently with their trailer and make the announcement as part of the trailer. i.e. FF13 on PS3, XBox 360. The whole scenario has been incited and paid for by Microsoft.
Microsoft are only getting the game in the US / EU - and on multiple DVD's. They certainly can't claim exclusivity, so its not as if they could brag... Though it seems Microsoft are trying to anyway. It all amounts to one thing. Fear.
I don't really see that Microsoft has anything to do with it. It looks to me that the blame lays Squarely with the publishers for this situation. *BOOM BOOM!!*
Let's not forget that it's Yoichi Wada himself that's done most of the talking so far.
Then why would Microsoft announce SE and FF13 during their keynote? SE would be at the show independently with their trailer and make the announcement as part of the trailer. i.e. FF13 on PS3, XBox 360. The whole scenario has been incited and paid for by Microsoft.
Alternatively Square turned up and announced it at Microsoft's event because Sony wouldn't pay them enough not to go multiformat.
Microsoft aren't the only company with a cheque book.
Hmm, so that would make it more profitable to cater for the European and US markets than introvertly focus on the home Japanese one. Which is what they are doing by bringing it to the Xbox360
You're making the assumption that the whole US + EU market will buy the inferior 6 DVD - XBox 360 version.
I don't expect lots of people to own both actually. Especially as neither has yet reached a truely mass market price point.
Even more reason to buy a PS3 and buy FF13 for PS3 instead of a 360.
Cannot afford a PS3, do not want one, or did want one for FF13 but don't anymore. LOL. There's a lot of those I think, probably a good proportion of the 2.8 million westerners who bought FFXII..
How many people will own a 360 in 2010 when FF13 is finally released? The 360 will either be relegated by Microsoft in favour of their next console - or otherwise be on the RROD scrap pile by then.
From a business point of view it makes perfect sense, the development costs will be huge for this title and the more units they shift the better, for me though it has and always will be a PS3 game and i will be buying it on that platform, storage will easily be a problem on the 360 and will without doubt come on at least 4 discs like lost oddessy and blue dragon(3 discs). I'd prefer to have one disc with no swapping thanks. And as the PS3 has trophies now it levels with the 360's achievments system.
I dont know why people cry so much about this, exlcusive games are dead from third party devs/publishers. MGS4 will be out on the 360 by next fall so get over it people!!
People are constantly going on about 'good' business sense, but then why are Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 not coming out for the PS3? Or imagine the money Bungie could rake in if they took Halo to PS3.
Also, might be worth pointing out that Microsofts 'show stealer' wasn't a PS3 game at all. Assuming you are referring to FFXIII, this is a multi-format game.
On the flip side, I can almost see Sony making a bit of a fuss about the PS3 version of Bioshock at some point during E3...
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
I think most people realise this, but it was the playstation that made those fanchises the powerhouses that they are today!
To whoever said it takes longer to port a game than do Japanese to English translation, er, I think you're probably wrong. The amount of text and dialogue to be translated for a game like FF13 is huge. Voice actors need to be casted and recorded and script needs editing to not make too large a change in the audio footprint of the title. It's far from insignificant.
Porting from PS3 to 360 is going to be fairly trivial in all honesty.
Not when working out how to split the game up over 6 DVD's it won't!
Keep in mind linked asset management across discs! It may even be 7 or 8 DVD's in the end!
Anyone who has posted in, or been reading these comments so far is either...
a) Very naive in thinking they'd be able to come in here & have a civil discussion about the subject matter.
b) A complete moron that came in here for nothing more than a fanboy, flamewar.
c) Kicking back & laughing at you all.
Which one are you?
C) definitely.
Well, I'm laughing more at the Sony Fanboys in full swing defence mode, but it's also funny seeing the 180 degree turn that some Microsoft Fanboys have undergone from bagging Final Fantasy to all of a sudden caring about it.
Bottom Line: This is going to have an impact on Sony. It's not gonna kill it. Just choose a console to buy it on, and play it.
I almost gained 1 Kudos level just from reading this hillarious thread. See - everybody wins.
Also, might be worth pointing out that Microsofts 'show stealer' wasn't a PS3 game at all. Assuming you are referring to FFXIII, this is a multi-format game.
On the flip side, I can almost see Sony making a bit of a fuss about the PS3 version of Bioshock at some point during E3...
Microsoft are only getting the game in the US / EU - and on multiple DVD's. They certainly can't claim exclusivity, so its not as if they could brag... Though it seems Microsoft are trying to anyway. It all amounts to one thing. Fear.
I don't really see that Microsoft has anything to do with it. It looks to me that the blame lays Squarely with the publishers for this situation. *BOOM BOOM!!*
Let's not forget that it's Yoichi Wada himself that's done most of the talking so far.
Then why would Microsoft announce SE and FF13 during their keynote? SE would be at the show independently with their trailer and make the announcement as part of the trailer. i.e. FF13 on PS3, XBox 360. The whole scenario has been incited and paid for by Microsoft.
Square-Enix are trying to make money from their game, and through their attitude so far, it seems like they think that the Xbox 360 is the best for their chances in the West at least.
Gathering from the response here, I'd say that if Square-Enix were after publicity for the X360 FFXIII, they hit an absolute goldmine by announcing it in the way they have... and for very little cost on their behalf, too.
And look, their share prices have gone up by 5.2% on this one simple announcement alone.
I'd say that looking at this objectively, Square-Enix have done pretty damn well out of handling things the way they have.
Maybe they even paid Microsoft to allow them to make the announcement during the MS keynote speeches?
From a business point of view it makes perfect sense, the development costs will be huge for this title and the more units they shift the better, for me though it has and always will be a PS3 game and i will be buying it on that platform, storage will easily be a problem on the 360 and will without doubt come on at least 4 discs like lost oddessy and blue dragon(3 discs). I'd prefer to have one disc with no swapping thanks. And as the PS3 has trophies now it levels with the 360's achievments system.
I dont know why people cry so much about this, exlcusive games are dead from third party devs/publishers. MGS4 will be out on the 360 by next fall so get over it people!!
People are constantly going on about 'good' business sense, but then why are Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 not coming out for the PS3? Or imagine the money Bungie could rake in if they took Halo to PS3.
Because those IP's are Microsoft owned. Final Fantasy ISN'T owned by Sony.
Er,,, surely it is very simple. Buy the game for whichever console you have or prefer.
Why all this hate for a stupid machine? Do you guys in here own shares within these companies, or, are you treating the only machine you can afford as a family member or something?
The whole thing is just so petty and sad.
POLL
Anyone who has posted in, or been reading these comments so far is either...
a) Very naive in thinking they'd be able to come in here & have a civil discussion about the subject matter.
b) A complete moron that came in here for nothing more than a fanboy, flamewar.
c) Kicking back & laughing at you all.
Which one are you?
To answer the poll, it is C for the most part. Hey, Monkey! Can you add an option D please?
Option D? What would that be then?
Option D: Is part of a cult that worships machines.
Haha! Nice. Judging from the behaviour of some people that could well be the case.
Seriously though, I just don't get it all. All three machines are doing well & securing their place in the future of gaming. Things have never been better. We have lots of games coming out on all platforms & the competition is exremely healthy atm. What do people have to complain about?
Perhaps it is supposed to be a will waving contest on this forum. Mine is bigger than yours, blah, blah, blah. I agree, 3 consoles all doing well, price drops, more games coming out on all systems, more people getting to play more good games. All's good I think.
I think it mainly stems from young boys whose parents are only prepared to buy them one console. They know they're never going to get to play the other games on other platforms, so they convince themselves that they aren't any good anyway & that they're perfectly content with the one machine, as it has everything anyway. They then end up believing their own crap & seeing their console as some sort of saviour of gaming & hope that one day it will wipe out all the competition. Thus, a fanboy is born.
The fact they want to eliminate the competion like the suits at the top of the company, rather than see the competition grow like any sane customer is the most bewildering aspect.
..And as I type tis they're still going at it.
It amazes me how immature it is. It seems like they think they are pledging allegiance to the throne or something. Long live the,,,,,,,,!
i bet its going to be an epic final fantasy 7 18disc monster..while ps3 gets it and more on 1 little blu ray Blu-Ray disc - 50 gig 18 DVDs - 162 gig.
Blu-rays are able to store up to 400Gb now as they can be designed with 16layers.
name a game on xbox thats exclusive?halo?gears of war?all on pc ladies. you can have your banjo..i wouldn't play it if i had it for free.
And that speaks volumes about you. Banjo Kazooie was a brilliant game, and this new one is shaping up nicely by the looks of it.
But yet another franchise that isn't exclusive to MS. E3 for them, whilst mildly succesful on the news front, didn't really deliver anything that was their own idea. I mean Lips, Scene It, that wierd EyeToy like thing, Banjo, FFXIII, avatars, are all things that MS didn't come up with. I mean I'm all for using ideas but they've sort of grabbed a big hand of them.
And look, their share prices have gone up by 5.2% on this one simple announcement alone.
I'd say that looking at this objectively, Square-Enix have done pretty damn well out of handling things the way they have.
Maybe they even paid Microsoft to allow them to make the announcement during the MS keynote speeches?
I don't disagree that SE have done well with the announcement - or that Microsoft have done well with the announcement.
That doesn't mean a game, spanning 7 or 8 DVD's will be any good though. Does it?
If it's rubbish - it won't sell on any platform. If it is awesome, I don't see how Sony lose either... Sony has a stronger PS3 presence in the EU than Microsoft does with the 360. Microsoft has a stronger 360 presence in the USA than Sony does with the PS3. They'll both take each other's customers and SE will definitely WIN with this.
Of course. If the PS3 is the lead gaming platform when FF13 is finally released, the 360 version of FF13 will be nothing but an organ grinder's side-show.
square enix saw the blank cheque and cash in you loser
Is that supposed to add weight to the 'no-one cares about the 360' argument?
You can't blame Square Enix either. Frankly, I'm amazed any console has exclusives these days. The sooner we have ONE format, the better IMO. Then these bulls**t arguments will stop.
ONE FORMAT WOULD BE AWFUL! In no way of life is a monopoly a good thing, just look at Windows!
Blu-rays are able to store up to 400Gb now as they can be designed with 16layers.
Hope you're not insinuating that FFXIII will require 400gig... I strongly suspect FFXIII won't even require all 50 gig space.
But yet another franchise that isn't exclusive to MS. E3 for them, whilst mildly succesful on the news front, didn't really deliver anything that was their own idea. I mean Lips, Scene It, that wierd EyeToy like thing, Banjo, FFXIII, avatars, are all things that MS didn't come up with. I mean I'm all for using ideas but they've sort of grabbed a big hand of them.
I never said Banjo was exclusive (though it is), I didn't even bring it up. I just said the first was an awesome game, and the new one is shaping up nicely. I was amazed someone could dismiss it so readily and say they wouldn't play it if it was free...
I won't disagree that MS may not have had an especially surprise filled E3 - but why does that bother you?
square enix saw the blank cheque and cash in you loser
Is that supposed to add weight to the 'no-one cares about the 360' argument?
You can't blame Square Enix either. Frankly, I'm amazed any console has exclusives these days. The sooner we have ONE format, the better IMO. Then these bulls**t arguments will stop.
ONE FORMAT WOULD BE AWFUL! In no way of life is a monopoly a good thing, just look at Windows!
I'm not talking a monopoly, numbnuts. Look at the PC. Does one game format work for that? Does anyone have a monopoly with PCs?
As I said, any company could make the console, just they stick to one format, rather than a new one for each company (which is a PITA for everyone).
And by the time we get to digital downloads, we won't even realise that there is a common format.
The fact that this thread, after only a day of being announced, is 9 pages long just shows how big of a loss for PS3 this is and how much of a gain for 360. I own all 3 consoles and I have stated before, I pretty much bought my PS3 for MGS4 and FF13 as I thought they were nailed down exclusives and well...PS3 doesn;t have any other good games. I've already completed MGS4 and now that FF13 is on 360, I'll be getting it for that and feel slightly cheated that Sony have let this game slip through their fingers after bigging it up so much as an exclusive. Obviously they are too busy promoting the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and ensuring they have their virtual dating system, Home, out by the end of the year... To sum this up, I feel like PS3 has been a waste of money. Bar God of War 3 and LBP, there are no promising exclusives to look forward to in the near future while 360 has a stellar line-up and yet another 5 million plus seller with Gears 2. To sum it up, this generation has about 2-3 years left and there's no way PS3 will catch up and will simply be remembered as a failure of a console that ended up being used soley as a Blu-Ray player...
What are you talking about? Apart from GOW2 and Fable 2 what REALLY good games are coming out for 360? No more good games on PS3? LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, Killzone 2, God of War 3, Uncharted 2, GT5, inFamous, and apparently 4 new PS3 titles. How is there no good games in the near future?
It was the Xbox 360 that only last week was revealed to be flat-lining (oh I love that phrase) around the whole world apart from North America.
This buying of one of the great Sony's biggest franchises won't save it. I remember the GTAIV 'downloaded content' which M$ again flaunted there cash for to the tune of $192 million.
For what????
The game sold at a 40%/60% ratio for PS3 et 360 respectively.
That was a disaster for M$. It had absolutely no effect what-so-ever.
I reckon M$ coughed up at least $500,000,000 for this release in America and Europe only.
Yeah Right! Wow FF13 has gone multi format! But previous games have all landed on other formats! So woopie! Everyone on PS3 will get to play it in original controls!
What? They are releasing a NES/SNES controller for the PS3?
Remember, Final Fantasy was on Nintendos consoles first, NOT Sonys.
Sony fanboys seem to think the first Final Fantasy game ever released was Final Fantasy 7... most of them think Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear staretd life on the Playstation as well.
Ignorance is bliss after all.
I think most people realise this, but it was the playstation that made those fanchises the powerhouses that they are today!
The DEVELOPERS made them the powerhouses they are, unless the PlayStation wrote the games for them, the PlayStation was merely the platform most suited at the time. The developers deserve a lot more credit than the box of tricks we played them on.
Blu-rays are able to store up to 400Gb now as they can be designed with 16layers. Hope you're not insinuating that FFXIII will require 400gig... I strongly suspect FFXIII won't even require all 50 gig space.
No not at all lol. Just the argument over 18 discs to a blu-ray lol.
But yet another franchise that isn't exclusive to MS. E3 for them, whilst mildly succesful on the news front, didn't really deliver anything that was their own idea. I mean Lips, Scene It, that wierd EyeToy like thing, Banjo, FFXIII, avatars, are all things that MS didn't come up with. I mean I'm all for using ideas but they've sort of grabbed a big hand of them.
I never said Banjo was exclusive (though it is), I didn't even bring it up. I just said the first was an awesome game, and the new one is shaping up nicely. I was amazed someone could dismiss it so readily and say they wouldn't play it if it was free...
I won't disagree that MS may not have had an especially surprise filled E3 - but why does that bother you?
Don't get me wrong I'm not slating Banjo, I expect and hope it to be a great game as I loved the orignal. I just find it strange how people see this as such a momentus occassion for MS and the 360. It's like all of their BIG annoucements, weren't their ideas. Think it's just some MS hate coming through. Look at GOW what an amazing game that is. Come up with some more please!
I own a PS3 and still plan on getting FFXIII for it. But I'm not that bothered about the 360 getting it. It shall be a fantastic game and the more that can enjoy it, great!
I don't disagree that SE have done well with the announcement - or that Microsoft have done well with the announcement.
That doesn't mean a game, spanning 7 or 8 DVD's will be any good though. Does it?
If it's rubbish - it won't sell on any platform. If it is awesome, I don't see how Sony lose either... Sony has a stronger PS3 presence in the EU than Microsoft does with the 360. Microsoft has a stronger 360 presence in the USA than Sony does with the PS3. They'll both take each other's customers and SE will definitely WIN with this.
Of course. If the PS3 is the lead gaming platform when FF13 is finally released, the 360 version of FF13 will be nothing but an organ grinder's side-show.
I really shouldn't get drawn into these things, it's like trying to talk about gravity with somebody who truly believes that up is down...
But it is fun.
Firstly, you shouldn't make claims about how many disks the game will be on, as nobody knows. You simply make yourself look foolish by making unsubstantiated claims of the sort.
Secondly, the amount of disks the game will be on is irrelevant anyway. Past Final Fantasy games have spanned multiple disks, everybody raved about them. As many people have said in this very thread, when it comes to multiple disks vs. mandatory installs, there's no ideal solution. Especially if you've got more than 7 of these games and only a 40gig PS3. (Or in the case of X360 owners, if you're physically disabled or terminally lazy.)
Thirdly, this announcement is a clear win-win for the gamers, the only people who are losing out are the Fanboys and Sony themselves. Many PS3 owners might even actually benefit from this as it might encourage retailers to keep the PS3 version competitive with the Xbox version price-wise.
For final sales of the different platform versions, I can see it being an even 50/50 split, taking into account the varying hardware tastes of different regions.
As for "They'll both take each other's customers and SE will definitely WIN with this.", well, Square-Enix have definitely won with this. They'll sell many more copies than they would have otherwise. I don't see how Sony are taking any customers from Microsoft with this announcement, though.
It was the Xbox 360 that only last week was revealed to be flat-lining (oh I love that phrase) around the whole world apart from North America.
Link please
This buying of one of the great Sony's biggest franchises won't save it. I remember the GTAIV 'downloaded content' which M$ again flaunted there cash for to the tune of $192 million.
$50million actually. Making stuff up now?
For what????
The game sold at a 40%/60% ratio for PS3 et 360 respectively.
That was a disaster for M$. It had absolutely no effect what-so-ever.
And if those 60% fork out for MS points to buy the DLC, that could see MS getting a HUGE influx of cash from it.
I reckon M$ coughed up at least $500,000,000 for this release in America and Europe only.
You're guess is worthless. And if you really believe that MS would pay half a BILLION dollars to see one game on their platform, then you are completely insane. How could they even afford to do that if their product was flatlining?
Don't argue with him, he's just trolling for attention now, by picking up on all of the things that the adults have dismissed in this thread so far and making ridiculous claims to the opposite effect, with the aim of drawing people into ever more ridiculous flame-wars.
We know he's making it all up. He knows he's making it all up. He knows that we know that he's making it all up, and that's what he's counting on when in posts these things.
That fact that CvG haven't banned him yet is a testament to what a joke this website is, and the exact reason that it's looked down upon by many other places.
Still, luckily as trolls go he's not a particularly clever one, and repeatedly embarrassing him has turned into a sport for a few of us around here, so if he wants to stay...
I just find it strange how people see this as such a momentus occassion for MS and the 360.
There are a few VERY vocal folk on here that claim the Playstation 3 is the second coming, and that Sony can do no wrong, while Microsoft is essentially the anti-Christ, and the Xbox 360 nothing short of a digital watch.
Day after day, they post on this forum, stating how ineffectual the 360 is, and how the Playstation will simply crush it. Metal Gear Solid 4 was the start of this onslaught, and FFXIII would be the final nail in the coffin for it.
And now we find out that the much lauded FFXIII is actually coming to the Xbox360 too... Speaking as a 360 owner (one who couldn't give a s**t about this game), it was a chance to sit back, point a finger at the SDF and just give a smug smile.
So, in answer to your question as to why it was a momentus occasion - its because we can watch all the pro-Sony guys run about like headless chickens because the rug has been pulled from under their feet.
And before anyone gets all high and mighty, you KNOW they'd do the same to the 'Xbots' if it happened with Gears of War 2 or whatever...
Still, luckily as trolls go he's not a particularly clever one, and repeatedly embarrassing him has turned into a sport for a few of us around here, so if he wants to stay...
Oh, give him some credit - he's learned how to colour his text.
Every...damn....time...he writes RRoD, PS3 or Xbox, but still.
I just find it strange how people see this as such a momentus occassion for MS and the 360.
There are a few VERY vocal folk on here that claim the Playstation 3 is the second coming, and that Sony can do no wrong, while Microsoft is essentially the anti-Christ, and the Xbox 360 nothing short of a digital watch.
Day after day, they post on this forum, stating how ineffectual the 360 is, and how the Playstation will simply crush it. Metal Gear Solid 4 was the start of this onslaught, and FFXIII would be the final nail in the coffin for it.
And now we find out that the much lauded FFXIII is actually coming to the Xbox360 too... Speaking as a 360 owner (one who couldn't give a s**t about this game), it was a chance to sit back, point a finger at the SDF and just give a smug smile.
So, in answer to your question as to why it was a momentus occasion - its because we can watch all the pro-Sony guys run about like headless chickens because the rug has been pulled from under their feet.
And before anyone gets all high and mighty, you KNOW they'd do the same to the 'Xbots' if it happened with Gears of War 2 or whatever...
Your reasoning behind why it was so good is more based on gamers own fanboyism, as opposed to MS providing something actually good? And oh boy can Sony do things wrong btw.
That fact that CvG haven't banned him yet is a testament to what a joke this website is, and the exact reason that it's looked down upon by many other places.
CVG forums just wouldn't be the same without certain characters though...
Firstly, you shouldn't make claims about how many disks the game will be on, as nobody knows. You simply make yourself look foolish by making unsubstantiated claims of the sort.
Yeah lets see. SqEx could always cut stuff out to fit on less DVD's... Given that the game will be available in some shape or form, I don't think many 360 owners would particularly care either way.
This news really is a shame for the PS3. The machine really could do with a few more exclusives. I do understand the reasons for it, but it's still a shame.
This news really is a shame for the PS3. The machine really could do with a few more exclusives. I do understand the reasons for it, but it's still a shame.
Ah well. I'd personally rather have WipeOut HD than FF13, but I will have both eventually and be thanking y'all very much, have a nice day.....
Told you all things were gonna shake up this gen. Sony had it too easy in the last 2 gens what with Sega not being in proper form with the Saturn and Dreamcast they couldn't put up the fight they did in the 16-bit days.
I've been an Xbox fan since the first machine mostly due to the Sega exclusives such as Panzer Dragoon, JSRF, etc.
Happy to see the 360 doing well this gen even with it's p**s poor build quality. I have a PS3 thanks to AOL but in all honesty I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't get it as a gift. Looking at loads of package deals on the net in stores they seem to come with a lot of movies rather than games.
Looks like this is a big deal for some but in my opinion Final Fantasy is total and utter cack and I'd rather play something else.
Why didn't MS announce Rallisport Challenge 3? The c**twads!!
As usual, your post defamming a "fanboy" actually makes you look like the biggest fanboy on here. That green M$ blood is coming out your nose. Calm down dear.
Oooooh, here he comes. The self-admitted PS3 Fanboy who tries to start flamewars then goes running crying to an Admin with multiple accounts when it all goes horribly wrong for him.
You're already a laughing stock around these parts, why do you keep doing this to yourself? It's not like you've ever come out as looking anything but a complete idiot every time so far.
I think it was you who went crying to admin and made the editor send me a warning through a PM, when you couldn't take the heat because I made a homophobic slur.
And it was YOU who invented another account with the name "suiva1oom" to try and cover the twisted hate you spew.
36yr olds shouldn't be fanboys. There is something wrong there.
Neither should the mentally retarded, yet here you are...
How long before we see the obligatory online petition...
Unless it's already out there. Oh...
hahaha, cant believe its pssied someone off that much that theyve started a petition, what a sad t**t to even go that far, why is it so hard for them to swallow that the 360 is getting it????
i've watched the trailer a good few times now: glad to see ilfrit and shiva back but what's with carbuncle being stored on a disk? also is that FFVIII's siren on the harp?
actions cost 'atb' points which suggests that overuse of bigger spells,limit breaks etc.. will eventually slow you down in battle.
it's even rumoured to have a true world map with real time airship travel,just like it should be.
oh and it looks beautiful,i really can't wait for this game.
After reading all of these comments i've decided the only sensible thing to do is get rid of both my 360 and PS3. Its depressing how much trivial issues like this can affect people and i never want to turn into a brand obsessed fool! I'm sure i can think of better things to do, my girlfriend for example. Goodbye gaming world.
As for "They'll both take each other's customers and SE will definitely WIN with this.", well, Square-Enix have definitely won with this. They'll sell many more copies than they would have otherwise. I don't see how Sony are taking any customers from Microsoft with this announcement, though.
Sony owns around 8.5% of Square Enix. Back around 2001, it was close to 20% of Square-soft but then they merged with Enix.
It might only be a small chunk, not really enough for Sony to do anything about 'announcements' but if Microsoft pays Square Enix, they're also paying Sony. Ouch.
Of course, there's another Square Enix announcement due soon(ish). Whether that is Final Fantasy 7 remake related, we will see...
It's only fitting that you now go hang yourself with a wired controller. NOTE: you'll have to keep your 360 to do that.
Alternatively wrap the 360 in a towel and sit on it until it explodes.
Or he could sit on top of the PS3 and have it slow roast him! Could also use the controller charging cable to hang himself.
If he wants to go a bit more quickly he could use a wiimote and knock himself on the head until he loses consciousness. The wiimote will still be OK and can be sold on ebay after he dies.
If he really wants to take himself with a 360 he can drop the power brick on his head. Should take him out like an anvil.
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