Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has addressed the massive backlash from 'core' gamers following the company's lacklustre E3 press conference last week, and apologised for the absence of traditional 'key' Nintendo titles at the event.
Nintendo used its traditionally surprise-filled press event to showcase casual games Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk... leaving next to nothing for its 'hardcore' fanbase.
Speaking to Forbes at the show, Iwata said it was all one big misunderstanding.
"If there is any perception that Nintendo is ignoring the core gamers, it's a misunderstanding and we really want to get rid of that misunderstanding by any means," he said. "We are sorry about [the E3] media briefings, specifically for those who were expecting to see Nintendo show something about 'Super Mario' or 'Legend of Zelda.'
"However, the fact of the matter is the so-called 'big titles' need a long, long development period. ... We really didn't think this year's E3 media briefing was the time to do so." Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Nintendo fans were wound up even more yesterday by comments from exec VP - and co-host of the press conference - Cammie Dunaway. ""Wii Music is just such vintage Nintendo," she said, defending the title. "Because it's taking something that's a genre that everybody thinks they understand and twisting it on its ear, and doing it in a really fresh way."
On the subject of games for 'core' gamers (that's us), Cammie said we should all be after Super Mario Sluggers: "What core gamer doesn't love Mario and baseball and finding out which combination of characters are going to do what kind of crazy things in the field?"
Hurrah!! About bloody time. Finaly a Nintendo spokesperson actualy accepting it was pretty awful & apologising rather than making stupid excuses or telling us they did show gams fro core gamers.
I still dont get this long development time for big titles though. What about previous E3's beforeyou had these small, casual games to show of. You always still had some proper games to show us. Why not this year? Thats my concern.
But, keep it up Iwata. First admitting the friend code system is completely s**t & now this. I might actualy be getting some respect for Nintendo back.
"If there is any perception that Nintendo is ignoring the core gamers, it's a misunderstanding and we really want to get rid of that misunderstanding by any means,"
Oh really? This is easily resolved then - show us some screen shots or videos of any of these new titles: Pikmin Zelda Mario Pilotwings F-Zero Kid Icarus Star Fox
It's good that they said sorry, but the conference to me still shows how Nintendo are going in a new direction. They have a few 'core' games we already know about, such as Wario and Day of disaster, that they still did not show. Instead focusing on the other crap.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Cammie needs to get a lesson in Nintendo History. I don't necessarily agree with most of the doom mongers and so called "Hardcore" gamers in saying that Nintendo is dying due to no core games as there are more core games than people like to admit and I love some of the casual games especially in a social setting. However saying that Wii Music is classic Nintendo is stupid and can only have come from the mouth of someone with no games experience. Thanks go to Iwata for being man enough to admit the mistakes, but I think part of this is an over reaction to the E3 press event. After all it was a let down by all the companies, not just nintendo. We will see what they all come up with at TGS and closer to Christmas.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face)
You are an idiot!
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face)
You are an idiot!
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Yes it is.
No, it's not. Accessible by all does not mean kiddy. I would question as to whether you've even played it if you have that opinion. Everyone who I've showed it to thought it was incredibly clever - and most of those are above the age of 30.
You know when the boss comes out and apologises that something's gone wrong. All the same, well done Iwata for accepting the mistake. Now, how about putting some money where your mouth is?
@ Mogs: If you can't even argue your point, why even bother raising it?
You lot seem to be infering that by calling it kiddie, I'm implying that it's designed for an idiot. I never said it was a bad game, I never said that it wasn't clever, I never said that adults can't enjoy it too...none of that changes the fact that it IS a kiddie game, however.
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Yes it is.
No, it's not. Accessible by all does not mean kiddy. I would question as to whether you've even played it if you have that opinion. Everyone who I've showed it to thought it was incredibly clever - and most of those are above the age of 30.
I am 33 and I absolutely love Mario... Harry Potter is classed as family entertainment. I would put Mario in a similar class. There is something there for everyone.
You lot seem to be infering that by calling it kiddie, I'm implying that it's designed for an idiot. I never said it was a bad game, I never said that it wasn't clever, I never said that adults can't enjoy it too...none of that changes the fact that it IS a kiddie game, however.
I actualy agree with that. Mario 3, World, 64 & Galaxy are some of my fave games but there is no doubting they are made with children in mind.
Luckily the gameplay is good enough for adults to enjoy it too. As long as you mute it, constant 'Yahoo' noises make me want to kill more than any GTA game ever could.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face)
You are an idiot!
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Yes it is.
Kind of a 'kiddy' arguement you've got there.
Are you referring specifically to Mario Galaxy, or all Mario titles ?
You lot seem to be infering that by calling it kiddie, I'm implying that it's designed for an idiot. I never said it was a bad game, I never said that it wasn't clever, I never said that adults can't enjoy it too...none of that changes the fact that it IS a kiddie game, however.
If that's the case, what point are you actually trying to make?
"If there is any perception that Nintendo is ignoring the core gamers, it's a misunderstanding and we really want to get rid of that misunderstanding by any means,"
Oh really? This is easily resolved then - show us some screen shots or videos of any of these new titles: Pikmin Zelda Mario Pilotwings F-Zero Kid Icarus Star Fox
Show us 2 or 3 and watch us STFU.
the problem is none of them are NEW titles?.. aren't you guys sick of getting the same old games on a new system?, don't you want new IP's?.. don't you want Nintendo to try & do something different?
the problem is none of them are NEW titles?.. aren't you guys sick of getting the same old games on a new system?, don't you want new IP's?.. don't you want Nintendo to try & do something different?
Thing is, when we ask for new titles we get pish like Wii Music. Better just sticking to what they already know
the problem is none of them are NEW titles?.. aren't you guys sick of getting the same old games on a new system?, don't you want new IP's?.. don't you want Nintendo to try & do something different?
Thing is, when we ask for new titles we get pish like Wii Music. Better just sticking to what they already know
Agreed. Plus, we haven't seen Pilotwings (the one I REALLY want from that list) since the N64, where it was awesome.
It's funny how people don't want sequels from Nintendo, and yet I bet a straw poll would reveal 99% of people coming to this site want Shenmue III...
You lot seem to be infering that by calling it kiddie, I'm implying that it's designed for an idiot. I never said it was a bad game, I never said that it wasn't clever, I never said that adults can't enjoy it too...none of that changes the fact that it IS a kiddie game, however.
If that's the case, what point are you actually trying to make?
That Nintendo need to do more to support mature titles, if not downright develop them themselves. The Wii is not catering to the tastes of people that like mature games, and with it's unique interface, that's a waste. The way they market the machine leaves it stuck with an image of a shovelware/kiddy machine and that is a tragedy.
At this point, people usually bust out the old "Get a 360 then" arguement, but I don't WANT a 360. I want to use the Wii's unique capabilities in games that I can get into. Mario is fun for what it is, but it's fluffy nonsense and bores me after a while. It's about time Nintendo had something other than Metroid that doesn't use cutesy cartoon animals and such.
Iwata's apology still does not make up for a p**s poor showing at E3. But Sony and Microsoft's E3 was just as poor and there is no apology from them, so to some extent Iwata's apology goes to show they are listening.
Let's just hope that the listening adds up to seeing some decent core game announcements quickly.
You lot seem to be infering that by calling it kiddie, I'm implying that it's designed for an idiot. I never said it was a bad game, I never said that it wasn't clever, I never said that adults can't enjoy it too...none of that changes the fact that it IS a kiddie game, however.
If that's the case, what point are you actually trying to make?
That Nintendo need to do more to support mature titles, if not downright develop them themselves. The Wii is not catering to the tastes of people that like mature games, and with it's unique interface, that's a waste. The way they market the machine leaves it stuck with an image of a shovelware/kiddy machine and that is a tragedy.
At this point, people usually bust out the old "Get a 360 then" arguement, but I don't WANT a 360. I want to use the Wii's unique capabilities in games that I can get into. Mario is fun for what it is, but it's fluffy nonsense and bores me after a while. It's about time Nintendo had something other than Metroid that doesn't use cutesy cartoon animals and such.
sounds like you're barking, in an incredibly droning bloodhound style, up the wrong tree.
Why don't you go talk to some venture capitalists and set up your own system? you're clearly not happy with anything out there at the moment.
Thanks for someone at Mission control recognising there was a problem Reggie and Cammie need to sit on the naughty step until they wake up and see the light
I know there are lots of Nintendo fan's who want to see remakes of old classics - which is fine - but I'd really like to see new ideas and characters being explored.
Mario is cool-sure - but I'd like to see new grittier and realistic characters like Snake/Prince of Persia/Lara Croft. Would be great to see more big games come out like Animal Crossing but without the cartoony graphics and casual play style.
I am suprised there isn't a decent flight simulator out on the Wii - would have thought motion controls would have been ideal for something like that.
That Nintendo need to do more to support mature titles, if not downright develop them themselves. The Wii is not catering to the tastes of people that like mature games, and with it's unique interface, that's a waste. The way they market the machine leaves it stuck with an image of a shovelware/kiddy machine and that is a tragedy.
At this point, people usually bust out the old "Get a 360 then" arguement, but I don't WANT a 360. I want to use the Wii's unique capabilities in games that I can get into. Mario is fun for what it is, but it's fluffy nonsense and bores me after a while. It's about time Nintendo had something other than Metroid that doesn't use cutesy cartoon animals and such.
But Nintendo have, as far as I can tell, NEVER made a so called 'adult' title - why are you expecting them to change?
Eternal Darkness was a step in the right direction, and getting the Resi series for the 'cube was also great, but none of these were games made by Nintendo.
Still, I'd rather have another Zelda game than another Medal of Honor any day of the week.
the problem is none of them are NEW titles?.. aren't you guys sick of getting the same old games on a new system?, don't you want new IP's?.. don't you want Nintendo to try & do something different?
Thing is, when we ask for new titles we get pish like Wii Music. Better just sticking to what they already know
Agreed. Plus, we haven't seen Pilotwings (the one I REALLY want from that list) since the N64, where it was awesome.
It's funny how people don't want sequels from Nintendo, and yet I bet a straw poll would reveal 99% of people coming to this site want Shenmue III...
Shenmue is different, isn't it?, its the end of a trilogy. People want it & are p**sed (myself included) because they have only gave us 2/3 of the story?. Nintendo have the capacity to make new IP's & be extremely creative nobody does what they do as well as they do it. But i'd love them to branch out a bit more & cover some new ground. I dont see why it always has to be Mario, Zelda surely the guys making these games must be sick of it?. But every time they dont announce a new Mario game they suffer this back lash from Core gamers. I feel sorry for Nintendo that they have become trapped by there own success & fans, now they have to turn to 3rd party developers like Sega to make a game like Mad World, i bet the guys in Nintendo are looking at that & thinking, "thats the sort of game i wish i was allowed to make!!". Nintendo will never move out of their comfort (trapped) zone if every time they do the torches get lite & the pitch forks get raised!. you guys are your own worst enemy.
Wasn't Shenmue initially touted as having 16 episodes or so? Who's to say it would end at 3?
if they are struggling to make another 1 game, i doubt very much they will get backin to make another 13!... its a logical conclusion to presume they'd want to tie the story up in a trilogy. or make online down loadable episodes?.
That Nintendo need to do more to support mature titles, if not downright develop them themselves. The Wii is not catering to the tastes of people that like mature games, and with it's unique interface, that's a waste. The way they market the machine leaves it stuck with an image of a shovelware/kiddy machine and that is a tragedy.
At this point, people usually bust out the old "Get a 360 then" arguement, but I don't WANT a 360. I want to use the Wii's unique capabilities in games that I can get into. Mario is fun for what it is, but it's fluffy nonsense and bores me after a while. It's about time Nintendo had something other than Metroid that doesn't use cutesy cartoon animals and such.
But Nintendo have, as far as I can tell, NEVER made a so called 'adult' title - why are you expecting them to change?
Eternal Darkness was a step in the right direction, and getting the Resi series for the 'cube was also great, but none of these were games made by Nintendo.
Still, I'd rather have another Zelda game than another Medal of Honor any day of the week.
I'm not expecting them to, but I wish they would. A more realistic request is for them to alter their marketing so that they don't position the machine as a 'cool party machine' like they are at the moment. This is the big reason why publishers (for the most part) don't make hardcore/mature games for the Wii. Yes, there are some notable exceptions like The Conduit, Madworld etc, but they're really fighting against the perception of the Wii that Nintendo have masterminded.
Wasn't Shenmue initially touted as having 16 episodes or so? Who's to say it would end at 3?
if they are struggling to make another 1 game, i doubt very much they will get backin to make another 13!... its a logical conclusion to presume they'd want to tie the story up in a trilogy. or make online down loadable episodes?.
Having said that, I was also of the opinion that each disc represented 1 chapter, so we would be about 1/3rd of the way through so far.
To be honest though, if the game is never gonna get made, I wouldn't mind even reading the synopsis. The first two games were so painfully good I'd hate to never find out what was supposed to happen.
I'm not expecting them to, but I wish they would. A more realistic request is for them to alter their marketing so that they don't position the machine as a 'cool party machine' like they are at the moment. This is the big reason why publishers (for the most part) don't make hardcore/mature games for the Wii. Yes, there are some notable exceptions like The Conduit, Madworld etc, but they're really fighting against the perception of the Wii that Nintendo have masterminded.
I won't disagree with that. An adult themed game of the same quality of Mario, Zelda etc would be most welcomed.
Sadly, I can't see this ever happening. Nintendo champion the family friendly game, and will do so for the foreseeable future.
Wasn't Shenmue initially touted as having 16 episodes or so? Who's to say it would end at 3?
if they are struggling to make another 1 game, i doubt very much they will get backin to make another 13!... its a logical conclusion to presume they'd want to tie the story up in a trilogy. or make online down loadable episodes?.
Having said that, I was also of the opinion that each disc represented 1 chapter, so we would be about 1/3rd of the way through so far.
To be honest though, if the game is never gonna get made, I wouldn't mind even reading the synopsis. The first two games were so painfully good I'd hate to never find out what was supposed to happen.
Shenmue on the DC was the 1st kinda sandbox game i'd playd. That feeling of freedom, living in that world it was soo alive watching people go about their day & walking the streets it felt like nothing else & was completely immersive. That was Sega at the top of their game, story telling, game play, characters, graphics. man i wish i still had a DC to play through that. did the 1st one come to the XBOX 1?, if it did MS should put it on LIVE to download i buy that straight away.
Gotta say, Mario get's right on my t**s. I was in game the other day when on their awful radio channel I heard Mario's irritating squeaky voice drone on about various Wii and DS games. I had to leave before throwing up.
I guess some people's perception of 'fun' is just plain annoying to others. He's the Mickey Mouse of gaming- massively poplular, but needs to have a kick in the teeth.
It's actually because of these types of games that I'm having problems playing anything on my Gamecube (I have 3 of the Resi games...which are great and Metroid 2... which isn't great)- It was only cheap so I thought. "what the hell", only to have it sit there gathering dust.
"What core gamer doesn't love Mario and baseball and finding out which combination of characters are going to do what kind of crazy things in the field?"
Any of them that live outside the US and Japan where baseball is called Rounders and played by schoolgirls.
f**king baseball. That's not a sport. And it's sure as hell not an enjoyable videogame.
This is what fundamentally p**ses me off about Nintendo's attitude to the core gamer. As long as there's a new Mario and Zelda, all is well with the world.
Hurrah!! About bloody time. Finaly a Nintendo spokesperson actualy accepting it was pretty awful & apologising rather than making stupid excuses or telling us they did show gams fro core gamers.
But, keep it up Iwata. First admitting the friend code system is completely s**t & now this. I might actualy be getting some respect for Nintendo back.
It's good to know that someone at the top is listening and responding to the criticisms leveled against them. Lets hope the individual game codes vanish allowing you to play and chat with friends already in your address book... that would be a start.
Cammie Dunaway. "Wii Music is just such vintage Nintendo, because it's taking something that's a genre that everybody thinks they understand and twisting it on its ear, and doing it in a really fresh way."
"What core gamer doesn't love Mario and baseball and finding out which combination of characters are going to do what kind of crazy things in the field?"
Who the heck made this woman Vice President of marketing? She's like the G.W.Bush of gaming.
Well, that almost sounded like an apology, but the problem I'm having is that there was no "misunderstanding" at all. Nintendo has got to stop insulting their audience's intelligence. The spin and damage control this past week has been quite amusing, because they have been forced into a defensive position they haven't been in for a very long time. I still think they are genuinely surprised by the backlash, but that arguably only goes to demonstrate just how out of touch they truly are.
This is what fundamentally p**ses me off about Nintendo's attitude to the core gamer. As long as there's a new Mario and Zelda, all is well with the world.
Most 'core' gamers want more mature games.
Completely agree about Nintendo needing to look at new ideas other than Mario and Zelda (even though I love both) but I think what some gamers think of as mature is the reverse. Any game with violence, guns, destruction, swearing etc as is often seen as 'mature' and I personally think this is horses**t. Often in these games the characters are ridiculously sterotyped and you get to play as either a guy who looks like Rambo or a women with huge t**s. They are the equivalent of playing with your Action Man.
Nintendo have to take most of the blame for their 'cute' image (I always remember looking on with envy at 'real' Mortal Kombat on the Megadrive) but some of what people say is mature gaming is actually the most juvenile of all.
Oh yeah, and if Action Man is no longer relavent to todays society that substitute it for something else. I am getting old.
So the nintendo fans were there, enjoying all of the top titles. And now they're years off. Zelda was expected to be in production (let's hope it isn't made more casual) but when did Twilight Princess come out, back in 2006 December? That's a fair amount of time to start something and just show a title screen for example. Not that it would help butwith GTA DS Nintendo would like to think so.
The big titles are now way off...
Though a new franchise, not a casual one would be good too.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Mogs I used to think u were alright but it seems like your a snooker cue now. Underneath the cuddly exterior of Mario or Zelda etc lie fantastic games that cater to everybody. The Simpsons is a cartoon which is loved by nearly everyone but because its a cartoon does that means its "kiddie"?
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Mogs I used to think u were alright but it seems like your a snooker cue now. Underneath the cuddly exterior of Mario or Zelda etc lie fantastic games that cater to everybody. The Simpsons is a cartoon which is loved by nearly everyone but because its a cartoon does that means its "kiddie"?
Yes, just like South Park and Family guy. If you're my mum that is. I'd accuse Mogs of being my mother at this point, but I'm not convinced my mum knows how to switch on a PC. And Mogs isn't NEARLY angry enough
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Mogs I used to think u were alright but it seems like your a snooker cue now. Underneath the cuddly exterior of Mario or Zelda etc lie fantastic games that cater to everybody. The Simpsons is a cartoon which is loved by nearly everyone but because its a cartoon does that means its "kiddie"?
Thats a ridiculous analogy. If you knew anything about animation you would know that the original animated shorts from Fleischer and Warner Bros. etc, were created to keep adults entertained before the start of movies. They were blended with news reel footage and ridiculous propoganda shorts in the 30s and 40s.
Jonn Kricfalusi (creator of Ren and Stimpy) has some interesting rants if you google them.
Point is, animation was never for kids, it was always for adults.
I would say in style Mario and Zelda can be called kids' games, but in substance (although I thought some of the puzzles in TP were a tad easy) they are very much for adults.
One of my best friends would not buy a Nintendo. When we had a GC at our old flat he would not play Zelda, Mario, MK etc. He would play Fifa, Splinter Cell, Bond etc. His argument were that Nintendo titles were for kids - he had never played them and missed out on Metroid and F Zero etc because he point blank refused Nintendo titles!
Now he has a wii and ds. Played and completed both Zeldas, loved Galaxy etc and realised that he was judging the games purely on their looks (and even if they are kiddie games, Nintendo's art direction has always been superb).
This isn't aimed at anyones comments on here, I can see parts of most arguments that I agree with. Just that there are much more to Nintendo games than Mario's annoying voice and cute, colourful graphics!
Or should I say "there was so much more to Nintendo games..."!!!!
I can't decide what's worse, showing a CGI trailer of a game thats two years away from completion (which seems to be the in thing these days), or not showing us anything at all of the same game other than telling us it exists. I say this simply because you actually won't have seen anything of the actual game with either method...
This is what fundamentally p**ses me off about Nintendo's attitude to the core gamer. As long as there's a new Mario and Zelda, all is well with the world.
Most 'core' gamers want more mature games.
So buy brain training, it is marketed heavily at the more mature gamer.......
Personally I love my games to be fun and escapism, I like being taken away in to a different world that is so much different than the one I live each day. Many of Nintendos games do this and put a smile on my face. Plus COD5 is coming out and it seems that RE5 has just been slipped out by accident too. There are plenty to keep you going but There is nothing wrong with bright and colourful either.
1. mario galaxy is the best game ever made. 2. I would take pikmin 3 over any new IP they could possibly think of. so people need to stop moaning about the re-use of mario/zelda/metroid etc. they work and can't be beaten. 3. that cammie is a tool and a half. 4. i still think there are great things to come from N after this balls up at e3. they'll realise that it's time to up the ante.
Their products may appear to be for children (Mario etc, I dont think Zelda falls into this as in not aimed at kids with the exception of the crap Phantom Hourglass) but underneath the looks lies depth and brilliance that can be enjoyed by everyone of all ages.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Mogs I used to think u were alright but it seems like your a snooker cue now. Underneath the cuddly exterior of Mario or Zelda etc lie fantastic games that cater to everybody. The Simpsons is a cartoon which is loved by nearly everyone but because its a cartoon does that means its "kiddie"?
Thats a ridiculous analogy. If you knew anything about animation you would know that the original animated shorts from Fleischer and Warner Bros. etc, were created to keep adults entertained before the start of movies. They were blended with news reel footage and ridiculous propoganda shorts in the 30s and 40s.
Jonn Kricfalusi (creator of Ren and Stimpy) has some interesting rants if you google them.
Point is, animation was never for kids, it was always for adults.
What the f**k are u on about? So I need to know about the history of cartoons to enjoy something? My point was that MArio games are universal and can be enjoyed by everyone much like the SImpson go back tothe library bell end
Their products may appear to be for children (Mario etc, I dont think Zelda falls into this as in not aimed at kids with the exception of the crap Phantom Hourglass) but underneath the looks lies depth and brilliance that can be enjoyed by everyone of all ages.
When it comes to mario games, its always the same trend. They love the look of it, cos its cutesy and all. Then, when they play through it and find that it gets difficult after the second or third level. They go back to their simple mouse controlled internet flash games.
Truth is, it takes a hardcore gamer to complete Super mario world (finding all 96 levels) Or Completing the new super mario brothers DS (being all spent on coins)
Or even just completing SMB3 on the NES. They are true hardcore games wrapped in a cutesy package. Sure its accessible to kids on appearance. But dont let that fool you in the competance needed to fully complete the games.
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face)
You are an idiot!
Mario is not a kiddie game, Just because it has cute colourful graphics does not mean it is for children only. I love Mario due to the wide reach the games have as I love playing it as much as my younger brother although he has little chance of completing the game fully, he can get the experience due to the clever way the games are designed. They are reletivley easy to walk through but hard to fully complete and the difficulty curve is such that you do not notice the game getting harder. I will never cease to be amazed by the so called hardcore gamers that seem to know nothing about games! Mario is Galaxy is one of the finest games ever released and this is due to it "Not being Kiddie" rather than the other way around. However if you mean it is "Kiddie" because it is fun then I would rather have a "Kiddie" game any day than a Generic shooter where the online mode is full of "Kids" screaming about how they did something to someone elses mom.
Yes it is.
I guess this guy is just too manly to play some of the best games around because of the bright colors and happy characters. A game like Dora or Teletubbies is correctly defined as kiddy. Those are games solely for kids. They are easy, have no deep gameplay, and the looks appeal to children. Games that appeal to a wide selection of ages often have that easy to pick up difficult to master thing. And they could look like Mario or Zelda. A game does not become an kiddy game because there's no blood, guns, t**s etc. I think a lot of games you consider to be kiddy have deeper and more challenging gameplay than the games you consider as adult games.
Here's an idea Nintendo, much like you're developing new IP's for the 'casual' audience, why not do the same for the 'hardcore'? Then we wouldn't have to wait and constantly rely on Zelda and Mario games...
Still, let's hope Nintendo has something other than Mario or Zelda for us.
Indeed, I couldn't care less about either. Mario is a kiddy game (yes, it is. Argue against it till you're blue in the face) and Zelda is to an extent. I'd like to see Nintendo making more mature titles, or at least doing more to help third party developers market such titles instead of showing grandpa and his hispanic niece and albino adopted grand daughter playing RE4.
Mogs I used to think u were alright but it seems like your a snooker cue now. Underneath the cuddly exterior of Mario or Zelda etc lie fantastic games that cater to everybody. The Simpsons is a cartoon which is loved by nearly everyone but because its a cartoon does that means its "kiddie"?
Thats a ridiculous analogy. If you knew anything about animation you would know that the original animated shorts from Fleischer and Warner Bros. etc, were created to keep adults entertained before the start of movies. They were blended with news reel footage and ridiculous propoganda shorts in the 30s and 40s.
Jonn Kricfalusi (creator of Ren and Stimpy) has some interesting rants if you google them.
Point is, animation was never for kids, it was always for adults.
What the f**k are u on about? So I need to know about the history of cartoons to enjoy something? My point was that MArio games are universal and can be enjoyed by everyone much like the SImpson go back tothe library bell end
Well learn to articulate yourself a bit better ass-hat.
Why is everyone obsessed with Mario and Zelda, I love them as much as the next person, but I would have been happy with, Pikmin 3, F Zero Wii and Donkey Kong Wii!
When it comes to mario games, its always the same trend. They love the look of it, cos its cutesy and all. Then, when they play through it and find that it gets difficult after the second or third level. They go back to their simple mouse controlled internet flash games.
Truth is, it takes a hardcore gamer to complete Super mario world (finding all 96 levels) Or Completing the new super mario brothers DS (being all spent on coins)
Or even just completing SMB3 on the NES. They are true hardcore games wrapped in a cutesy package. Sure its accessible to kids on appearance. But dont let that fool you in the competance needed to fully complete the games.
I would agree with this line of arugment wholeheartedly were it not for th awful grammar. Anyway, good points, badly made.
When it comes to mario games, its always the same trend. They love the look of it, cos its cutesy and all. Then, when they play through it and find that it gets difficult after the second or third level. They go back to their simple mouse controlled internet flash games.
Truth is, it takes a hardcore gamer to complete Super mario world (finding all 96 levels) Or Completing the new super mario brothers DS (being all spent on coins)
Or even just completing SMB3 on the NES. They are true hardcore games wrapped in a cutesy package. Sure its accessible to kids on appearance. But dont let that fool you in the competance needed to fully complete the games.
I would agree with this line of arugment wholeheartedly were it not for th awful grammar. Anyway, good points, badly made.
Says the person who missed the e off of the
I agree with what Mogs has been saying although I would use the term family game rather than kiddy. Damn first time ever I've agreed with Mogs too
Gotta say, Mario get's right on my t**s. He's the Mickey Mouse of gaming- massively poplular, but needs to have a kick in the teeth.
At least Disney retired Mickey from cartoons and films and now only use him as the Disney logo, Nintendo dragging Mario out for more.
I wouldn't be so sick of the character if it weren't for the endless, ENDLESS spin-offs.
Here is a thought Nintendo, you are allowed to make a sports game without a certain Italian plumber starring in it.
Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 is still one of my favourite games ever, but Mario does grate on me slightly now.
Anyway, GC era Ninty came up with Pikmin as a new franchise, have they come up with anything in the Wii era other than the godawful WiiSports/Fit franchises?
Shouldn't people be saying "show us some brilliant new IPs" not "more Zelda, more Mario!!!!"
I partly agree with Mogs, the Wii deserves more core titles but it is not Nintendo making the shovelware, although the marketing may be responsible for some of the blame.
Mario games are designed with everyone in mind and not just the kids, Zelda is also infinitely more mature than most games, try Majora's Mask for instance.
Nintendo have made a few new IP this generation (Disaster, Captain Rainbow, Wii Fit, Wii Sports) and I'm sure they will continue to do so but to be frank it hardly matters, franchises like Halo, Fifa, COD, God of War and others stay exactly the same. In the case of Nintendo most of their titles in the same franchise are incredibly diverse.
Anyone who thinks that LOZOT, LOZ:MM and LOZ:WW play the same is a fool.
I partly agree with Mogs, the Wii deserves more core titles but it is not Nintendo making the shovelware, although the marketing may be responsible for some of the blame.
Mario games are designed with everyone in mind and not just the kids, Zelda is also infinitely more mature than most games, try Majora's Mask for instance.
Nintendo have made a few new IP this generation (Disaster, Captain Rainbow, Wii Fit, Wii Sports) and I'm sure they will continue to do so but to be frank it hardly matters, franchises like Halo, Fifa, COD, God of War and others stay exactly the same. In the case of Nintendo most of their titles in the same franchise are incredibly diverse.
Anyone who thinks that LOZOT, LOZ:MM and LOZ:WW play the same is a fool.
As a 33 year old I really cant think of any 'mature' games, I spose the closest thing that springs to mind is The Shadow of the Colossus, which was rated teen if I remember correctly. Mario and indeed all games are about fun and escapism from the dulldrums of everyday life. If they're colourful and bright, or have a cartoony style does not necessarily mean its aimed at 'kiddies', look at Artist's such as Murakami or Yos**tomo Nara, they could hardly be described as aiming for the kiddie market. Because a game contains blood or killing really dont mean it's mature, take postal for example, nuff said. Do we really play games for 'mature' content anyway? Read a book, go to a play or an opera, visit a gallery for your 'mature entertainment' fix. I'm off to play Katamari YAY, NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA.
i agree that mario is a childs game primarily and i love them,grown man and all that carry on.
anyway. iwata saying sorry? yeah me too lad that was a poor show to say the least,i'll never get that hour back.
confirm a european release for fatal frame/project zero 4 and i'll be much happier also,re-instate freeloader support for the wii to show the self called 'hardcore' you mean what you're saying.
lastly don't you f*cking dare let the f-zero team integrate weapons into the wii version,this is as wrong as people who eye a family member 'up' and should be stopped by euthanasia immediately.
do something to show your sincerity,i'm far too cynical to take someones word,then we'll talk.
I partly agree with Mogs, the Wii deserves more core titles but it is not Nintendo making the shovelware, although the marketing may be responsible for some of the blame.
Mario games are designed with everyone in mind and not just the kids, Zelda is also infinitely more mature than most games, try Majora's Mask for instance.
Nintendo have made a few new IP this generation (Disaster, Captain Rainbow, Wii Fit, Wii Sports) and I'm sure they will continue to do so but to be frank it hardly matters, franchises like Halo, Fifa, COD, God of War and others stay exactly the same. In the case of Nintendo most of their titles in the same franchise are incredibly diverse.
Anyone who thinks that LOZOT, LOZ:MM and LOZ:WW play the same is a fool.
When it comes to mario games, its always the same trend. They love the look of it, cos its cutesy and all. Then, when they play through it and find that it gets difficult after the second or third level. They go back to their simple mouse controlled internet flash games.
Truth is, it takes a hardcore gamer to complete Super mario world (finding all 96 levels) Or Completing the new super mario brothers DS (being all spent on coins)
Or even just completing SMB3 on the NES. They are true hardcore games wrapped in a cutesy package. Sure its accessible to kids on appearance. But dont let that fool you in the competance needed to fully complete the games.
I would agree with this line of arugment wholeheartedly were it not for th awful grammar. Anyway, good points, badly made.
I love nintendo but does anyone else feel the urge to punch the cliché wii adverts of the middle class 2 point 4 children family in the face, bring back the day's of ocarina of time with the classic quote "will you save the girl or be the girl" what a difference a decade makes.(sorry for going off topic but felt it had to be said......... and am drunk )
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