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John Carmack

On how Quake Live brings brawling to our browsers
Essentially, Quake Live is a free version of what many still consider to be the purest multiplayer experience on any gaming platform, slotted neatly into a browser window. Why? Because it turns the now muddled Quake 3 Arena into a streamlined, idiot-proof game.

"Imagine if somebody gave you a copy of the original Q3A," suggests id Software co-founder John Carmack, "and asked you to come play with them online. You'd have to install it, download the latest patch, figure out what mods people are playing, figure out how to find the servers - that whole long rigmarole that the game conventionally requires. The whole point of Quake Live is to bypass all of that."

If you haven't played Q3A, chances are that's why - but just 15 minutes after getting the keys to the Quake Live beta we were in a bloody battle. Between rounds, Carmack, and executive producer Marty Stratton, gave us their thoughts...

So is Quake Live the next step for PC gaming?

John Carmack: I don't think this is the future of PC gaming, though it's certainly an aspect of it. PC developers need to start considering the PC as a unique platform rather than a gaming machine that happens to be in your den rather than your living room.

The traditional big-budget, media-rich, single-player type games like we used to make at id Software through to Doom 3, all that really has to be done cross-platform on the consoles now, to basically cover the development expenses for something like that. But the PC still has huge success stories, with things like The Sims 2 and World of Warcraft, which have been bigger successes than any console game has ever been, or possibly ever could be in the near future. At the end of the day, you have to look at the PC as a platform with its own strengths and weaknesses.

So Quake Live plays to these strengths?

JC: While Quake Live isn't a big-budget extravaganza, it is consciously playing to what we consider to be the PC's strengths. The PC is still a better information platform in terms of browsing the web and showing a lot of statistics and information. That's still really painful to do on the consoles.

It's still got the mouse and keyboard interface which for a competitive first person shooter is still far and away the best way to play, versus playing on an analogue thumbstick or whatever. And I do think that the neat aspect of being able to jump on and play from any place where there's a PC is going to be interesting also.

Marty Stratton: I think there's some difference between Quake Live and Battlefield Heroes in terms of what we're trying to do. As far as I understand it they're going down a bit more of a microtransaction route, where you pay for additional skins or what have you. Our content is completely free, and we've got a ton of content. You can play with any of the original Quake 3 characters, plus we've got over 30 arenas now, which you'll be able to play in any of five game types. It's a broad range of content that will speak to everyone. For the casual player we've got some new maps and some redone maps that are a bit more of an even playing field, without a lot of verticality.

We've also created some new maps which we think will appeal to the more competitive players who approach the game from a duelling perspective.

Will Quake Live remain ad-supported?

JC: In the beginning Quake Live will be completely ad-supported, it's not out of the question that eventually we'll have some kind of a premium service. But we don't know what it's going to be yet, and we're certainly going out with the completely free-to-play model. As the community grows and we start seeing what people actually want to get out of it we may offer some other things there. We don't have any firm directions on that. A lot of it will be seeing how things go marketing wise, because this is very much an experiment.

There could be a huge possible range of successes that we could see on here, and if it does well we could end up keeping people on here indefinitely, growing the community, polishing things up, adding new content. As long as it can be supportable like that.

The in-game advertising is done by a company called IGA. Do they understand games?

MS: IGA understand that there are advertisers that match the kind of players we're going to have in Quake Live and there are advertisers who aren't. They're not in the business of trying to put Martha Stewart ads in Quake Live. They want advertisers to be in the game that will relate to players.

We've gone through every level and really done a first-rate job of placing ads that fit. It feels like a stadium, there's stadium lighting and scoreboards, and we've given every aspect of ad placement a level of polish.

How will mods work with Quake Live?

JC: The answer is that, in the classic mod sense of being able to hack whatever you want, they don't. We've incorporated a lot of the things that have been popular in mods, we're working with mod teams on there, but it is essentially a controlled system. We're in no way shutting down the original Q3A scene, so anybody who wants to build things with the open-source code is still more than free to do so. That may even become a proving ground for moving things into Quake Live.

Would id ever consider doing something like this with a new game?

JC: There's no way we could justify building a modern game for the PC exclusively. Not to say that it's impossible, but it just wouldn't be a good bet. Even a big-budget extravaganza like Crysis didn't do very well in the larger scheme of things. So if you want to develop something on the PC right now, it had better either be cross-platform (like what we're doing with Rage) or it'd have to be something like Spore or The Sims 2, that really caters to the type of game that more people are playing on the PC. Or it'd have to be something a little bit different, like what we're doing with Quake Live. At least that's my assessment of the business situation right now. Everybody's still free to make their own decisions, but I don't think the trends are encouraging for high-end, media-rich, PC action gaming.

If this is successful, do you plan on releasing more browser games?

JC: If it is successful, we've tossed around the idea of taking the Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory game (which was actually always more popular than Q3A in the online space) and doing a similar treatment on it with the experience we've gained here. But no effort will be spent on that until we know whether Quake Live was a brilliant idea or if it was a dumb move.

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Essentially, Quake Live is a free version of what many still consider to be the purest multiplayer experience on any gaming platform

It was for me and I'm sure it still is for a lot of people. UT was good but Q3 was the king of MP just it's sheer insane speed was fantastic. The controls were sublime they just felt bloody perfect. The only thing that marred it was the bloody cheaters. Damn I lost the best part of 4 years to playing Q3 online (R.I.P. LoneWolf). Crying or Very sad
lonewolf2002 on 6 Sep '08
Kudos to Carmack and Id for experimenting Very Happy
shimrod on 6 Sep '08
Kudos to Carmack and Id for experimenting Very Happy

Yes I should of added something like that to my post but I went into reminiscing about the Q3 days, I got lost in that instead.
lonewolf2002 on 6 Sep '08
Has anyone managed to get a beta key? I think that this is a brilliant Idea and want in. (and now wish I didn't buy the Quake III pack on steam the other day.)
jon_hill987 on 6 Sep '08
I think this is both good and bad.
Good because we get Quake 3 in streamlined form but bad because what does this say about the state of games almost 9 years from when Quake 3 was released.
TescoPeeledPlums on 6 Sep '08
I think this is both good and bad.
Good because we get Quake 3 in streamlined form but bad because what does this say about the state of games almost 9 years from when Quake 3 was released.

Is there a prize involved?
lonewolf2002 on 6 Sep '08
I think this is both good and bad.
Good because we get Quake 3 in streamlined form but bad because what does this say about the state of games almost 9 years from when Quake 3 was released.

you worry too much
doomthree on 6 Sep '08
What I like is that he admits that it could either be a big success, or a huge mistake. Not many out there today do that. Most are always "This is the biggest thing to ever happen to gaming!"

We know how that usually turns out....
Sirrus on 7 Sep '08
I think this is both good and bad.
Good because we get Quake 3 in streamlined form but bad because what does this say about the state of games almost 9 years from when Quake 3 was released.

Is there a prize involved?

Yes!
The prize is one jar of jenkem. Laughing

I wonder what sort of FPS this browser version will have when compared to the original.
TescoPeeledPlums on 7 Sep '08
I think this is both good and bad.
Good because we get Quake 3 in streamlined form but bad because what does this say about the state of games almost 9 years from when Quake 3 was released.

Is there a prize involved?

Yes!
The prize is one jar of jenkem. Laughing

I wonder what sort of FPS this browser version will have when compared to the original.

Ewwwww no cash alternative then? Wink

Don't know but the amount of arenas sound promising. If they've kept the feel of the controls to Q3 then I think it could be good although I just do not have the time to online game seriously now. Would like to try this for nostalgia's sake though.
lonewolf2002 on 7 Sep '08
Carmack, what the f**k are you doing with your life?
slapme7times on 8 Sep '08
Carmack, what the f**k are you doing with your life?

Between remaking awesome games for the web and trying to get into space, not an awful not. But even so, that's quite the agenda.

I still can't wait for this, though. Anybody know the timescale for when it'll be open to the general public?
altitude2k on 8 Sep '08
ID = legends, and the reason is as clear as dawn.
Waldino on 12 Sep '08
Got my beta key yesterday.. people have been playing for many weeks without me Sad

It rocks. Its beautiful, fast as hell and smooth as silk. QUAKE LIVES !!
goldnuts on 8 Jan '09
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