A religious nutter has launched an anti-Spore website to let Electronic Arts know that its "biggest attack on Christian values to date will not be tolerated."
Antispore.com condemns Spore's teaching of the very un-Christian theory of evolution, which it says is an attempt on the games industry's part to "invade our homes and poison the minds of our children."
It says: "Yesterday I found out about a new game called Spore when my son asked me to buy it for him. It looked innocent enough at first and has E for Everyone ESRB rating. But don't be mislead, apparently 'everyone' means everyone they want to teach evolution to.
"This entire game is propaganda aimed directly at our children to teach them evolution instead of creationism, or 'intelligent design' if you go for stupid PC terms.
"The object of the game is to evolve from a 'spore' into demon-like intelligent space creatures that violently take over the galaxy," continues the site.
The site goes on to attack EA and it's 8,500 employees, "not a single one with enough Jesus to stand up and say what they are doing is wrong," it says.
"I used to like Will Wright," continues Anti-Spore.com. "He created Sim City, a fantastic game that celebrated the earth that God created for us and allowed you to use all your God given abilities to make an ideal society. But if you ever felt like you had too much power, God would come in with a tornado or an earthquake and put you back in place.
"You would think that as a member of the Episcopal Church, a smart man like Will Wright would not be capable of creating Spore. However, we must be reminded that the Episcopal Church is the only church in america that ordains homosexuals on a regular basis.
"It makes sense that a perverted church would cause a man to make the creations he has in this game. It just may be that evolution is not the only thing to fear this game teaching your children.
"[EA's] billions in revenue and all the advertising in the world are no match for the power of God."
Read the Spore review here, by the way. It's well good.
Creationism. Is there really any other thing more worthy of being completely outlawed anywhere on this planet? (Scientology and Snow Patrol coming second and third, respectively).
Obviously - this moron and his website are going to have zero impact on anything, but I find it strange that somebody who believes in something so fanatically is allowed to walk the streets - as far as I am concerned, he's mentally unstable....he obviously cannot accept simple facts.
Evolution is a theory that is based on a million experiments, over many, many years - creationsim is the belief that something written in a book is true. I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
"can not allow the gaming industry to poison the minds of our children"
Hah, that's a good one... Oh yes. So what does religion do to the world's children? It does indeed poison the innocent and their minds. By telling a child you're going to hell and you'll be tortured with fire if you do anything wrong is a form of child abuse.
The theory of evolution is actual fact. It's backed up by waves and waves of evidence. Where as Creationism is backed up by absolute NO such evidence nor facts.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Isnt it funny how pathetic some people are, let me guess, this guy is from America.
Unfortunately, it isn't just America - this is creeping in anywhere someone will bother to listen....it's actually far more of a problem than it should be.
In the US, you have a lot of children that are home-schooled, just so they do not have to learn about evolution and the like. We're now getting to a point where we have children home-schooled in England (something that just should not be allowed, in my book).
It's a damn good thing that it is not allowed to be taught in schools - this sort of nonsense is not even worth discussing with children, if only to ridicule it.
"You would think that as a member of the Episcopal Church, a smart man like Will Wright would not be capable of creating Spore. However, we must be reminded that the Episcopal Church is the only church in america that ordains homosexuals on a regular basis.
"It makes sense that a perverted church would cause a man to make the creations he has in this game. It just may be that evolution is not the only thing to fear this game teaching your children."
I really hate those kind of religious c**ts that try to force their views on everyone else, so all homosexuals are perverts are they? And perverted straight people are non existent of course... Still I don't suppose anyone with even a tiny bit of sense will take any notice of this latest rant from a bunch of loonies like them. Bring on Spore.
I was under the impression that Spore put you in the role of the Creator, therefor simulating the existence of a divine being. After all, none of the evolution would take place if you didn't tell it to.
I don't see what the problem is. Other than yet more Creationists going off on one for no reason.
destroy religion and this world would be a far better place to live.
Ah, I'm not so sure about that. I refuse to even refer to myself as an atheist because I don't see why I need to be labelled purely because I don't believe in something. For others, well - I guess it's a case of 'whatever gets you through the night', for a lot of people a bit of faith goes a long way.
To be fair, most Christians would also laugh at this guy and creationism as much as we would. He certainly doesn't speak for an entire religion.
lets burn those bloody evolutionists at the stake. they're teaching witchcraft in the schools. everyone knows thats we're all descended from adam and eve. plus when god flooded the earth and noah rounded up two of every animal including humans we're all descended from him and the wife. which means we're all super inbred mutants. seriously though on what day did almighty god create the dinosaurs, and on what day did he say "mmm they ain't gonna work out right. oh well back to the drawing board"? were days a lot longer back then? its getting near that time to lock some of these religious nuts up in the funny farm if they believe in creationism. i'm going to hell ain't i. oh well probably got better music down there anyway. plus you get to meet Ghandi
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
'God put it there' - same as their argument / explanation for anything. 'God made us', 'God created us that way', 'God did it, God did it, God did it'.
Impossible to prove wrong or argue against - maybe they're cleverer than they sound...
Best quote on the whole religion thing I've come across (think it might be Dawkins) is 'everyone in the world is an atheist with regards to 99% of the religions that have ever existed. I just take it a few religions further.'
"can not allow the gaming industry to poison the minds of our children"
Hah, that's a good one... Oh yes. So what does religion do to the world's children? It does indeed poison the innocent and their minds. By telling a child you're going to hell and you'll be tortured with fire if you do anything wrong is a form of child abuse.
The theory of evolution is actual fact. It's backed up by waves and waves of evidence. Where as Creationism is backed up by absolute NO such evidence nor facts.
Very well put. Religion, in my opinion, is nothing more than a method of control - a way for us to be controlled. Nothing more.
I assume todays 'Big Bang' experiment was also blasphemus in some way, as it disproves the Adam and Eve bullhockey...
It's nutters like this that lead us to fighting wars.
I can imagine EA won't be too bothered by this rant. It's free advertising after all, the guy even explains what the game does. As the majority of people are not as mentally unstable as this guy, they should realise that it is in fact a jolly good game
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
'God put it there' - same as their argument / explanation for anything. 'God made us', 'God created us that way', 'God did it, God did it, God did it'.
Impossible to prove wrong or argue against - maybe they're cleverer than they sound...
Best quote on the whole religion thing I've come across (think it might be Dawkins) is 'everyone in the world is an atheist with regards to 99% of the religions that have ever existed. I just take it a few religions further.'
Yeah, it's like Bill Hicks said:
'So, explain to me why we keep finding dinosaur bones?'
'God put them there to confuse us and test our faith' (slack-jaw expression)
That is basically the kind of arguments you get from a creationist - it's delusion at its' most hardcore.
quote]The site goes on to attack EA and it's 8,500 employees, "not a single one with enough Jesus to stand up and say what they are doing is wrong," it says.
Wow this is a new low for Christians. Besides since when did Christians force their views on people?
Haha. If he actually played the game he would realise it is a simple game about something which is proven. What does he think we all appeared out of thin air?
Yup, they're at it again! (btw loved the snow patrol remark! )
Why is it so hard for people to understand scientific evidence these days? I mean in a basic balance of probabilities alone, the support for evolution over creationism is staggering!
on a side note, I got a bit cunning with the Jehovas witness the other day! when he came round offering asking if I wanted some reading material I said "yeah, ok....... hang on Ive got something for you" I then gave him my copy of Dawkins' The God Delusion! heheh I hope they find THAT enlightening I think its only fair I give them my opinion if they want to give me theirs!
Those poor Christian values, they never catch a break. If this guy gets some ads on that site though I reckon he might clean up given the amount of abusive comments he is getting there
This person has a belief. They are entitled to that belief and nobody has any right to say they are wrong or deluded. It just so happens that Spore contrevenes these beliefs, and while he really doesn't need to be so vocal about his issues with it, personally I think it's appalling some of the comments that are left on his site.
God or no God, you can still be a disgusting human being, and their are some prime examples on the replies on that blog.
(Drone voice) How many copies of Fifa shall I buy oh mighty EA? Or perhaps your excellent James Bond games? No matter, I will buy as many copies of C and C 3 as I can afford despite the game-stopping bugs.
This person has a belief. They are entitled to that belief and nobody has any right to say they are wrong or deluded. It just so happens that Spore contrevenes these beliefs, and while he really doesn't need to be so vocal about his issues with it, personally I think it's appalling some of the comments that are left on his site.
God or no God, you can still be a disgusting human being, and their are some prime examples on the replies on that blog.
I haven't been to his site, but I can well imagine. My beef isn't with this guy in particular or his opinion - he's perfectly entitled to that - it's more with creationism as a movement.
Personally, I think it's terrifying some of the nonsense that comes out of these things.
Scientology is just as bad. They say they can cure a heroin addict in a matter of days - really?, prove it...shouldn't be hard to do.
They also love to hook people in without actually declaring what they are and what they do. There is a stand in Torquay high street (it's there most weekends - near TK Maxx, if you live nearby) that allows people to test their stress levels....they then talk to you about Dianetics and try to sell you a book about it by that old nutjob L. Ron Hubbard (a man who once said 'if you really want to make a lot of money, start a religion')
People should be able to make up their own minds on what to believe. I don't believe in God because I just cannot believe someone created Daddy Long Legs, Ticks and Fleas for a reason. This is a game and nothing more. People need to get their sticks out of their backsides. The theory of Evolution is not poison on childrens mind....it's a proven fact. The bible isn't.
This person has a belief. They are entitled to that belief and nobody has any right to say they are wrong or deluded. It just so happens that Spore contrevenes these beliefs, and while he really doesn't need to be so vocal about his issues with it, personally I think it's appalling some of the comments that are left on his site.
The guy's entitled to his beliefs, and normally most people don't take issue with that.
The reason he's being attacked is because he's quite clearly trying to force his insane, nonsensical fantasy values on the rest of us, and that is the breaking point for any rational person as far as religion is concerned.
Want to immerse yourself in some f**ked up fantasy because you can't deal with the reality of a complex and rational universe, and your own mortality?
Fine by me. You go ahead and do that quietly somewhere else.
Oh, you expect me to do things differently just because you're a head-f**ked Christian psycho?
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call you names over the internet now...
"invade our homes and poison the minds of our children."
Which is exactly what religion does in general? This f**ker should stop preaching religious values and get a reality check. The game is a bit of fun, doesn't preach evolution like he says. This idiot deserves to get shot...not because he's religious but because he's a complete dumb ass.
At least evolution has some sort of evidence *runs*
And altitude...I think that as everyone has a belief, everyone also has a right to free speech and it's not right to call some people appalling because of their opinions Religion is an old science people cling on to and refuse to let go of because it's a faith that requires no evidence. Flying Spaghetti Monster. I know many religious people, and do not vocally insult them because they don't vocally insult me. People can have a religion if they don't preach but if they preach...expect people to yell back. And it's worse when those who yell back have some sort of evidence.
The guy is just deluded. Let's have a go at Zelda for their Three Gods belief...respect should go both ways, and I didn't hear a mass row from athiests when "The Bible Game" came out for Ps2 and Xbox
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
'God put it there' - same as their argument / explanation for anything. 'God made us', 'God created us that way', 'God did it, God did it, God did it'.
Impossible to prove wrong or argue against - maybe they're cleverer than they sound...
Best quote on the whole religion thing I've come across (think it might be Dawkins) is 'everyone in the world is an atheist with regards to 99% of the religions that have ever existed. I just take it a few religions further.'
Yeah, it's like Bill Hicks said:
'So, explain to me why we keep finding dinosaur bones?'
'God put them there to confuse us and test our faith' (slack-jaw expression)
That is basically the kind of arguments you get from a creationist - it's delusion at its' most hardcore.
And altitude...I think that as everyone has a belief, everyone also has a right to free speech and it's not right to call some people appalling because of their opinions
Difference is that HE has an opinion, the vast majority of people there are just being inproportionatly abusive. There's a clear difference.
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
'God put it there' - same as their argument / explanation for anything. 'God made us', 'God created us that way', 'God did it, God did it, God did it'.
Impossible to prove wrong or argue against - maybe they're cleverer than they sound...
Best quote on the whole religion thing I've come across (think it might be Dawkins) is 'everyone in the world is an atheist with regards to 99% of the religions that have ever existed. I just take it a few religions further.'
Yeah, it's like Bill Hicks said:
'So, explain to me why we keep finding dinosaur bones?'
'God put them there to confuse us and test our faith' (slack-jaw expression)
That is basically the kind of arguments you get from a creationist - it's delusion at its' most hardcore.
Beat me to it... Bill Hicks was a genius.
He was indeed - I think he summed Creationism up in about 5 minutes in that one routine.
Religious ignorance is the worst sort of ignorance. Someone who can preach tolerance and understanding but then stick their fingers in their ears whenever anyone says somethign that deviates from a fictional book written hundreds of years after the main cast of characters had passed away.
They'll have one in the whitehouse soon - Palin advocates the teaching of creationism in schools!
We already have creationism taught in UK schools, sponsored by private business'. There at least 10 "academies" in the UK under the current system which teach creationism as fact and do not teach the national science syllabus.
They'll have one in the whitehouse soon - Palin advocates the teaching of creationism in schools!
We already have creationism taught in UK schools, sponsored by private business'. There at least 10 "academies" in the UK under the current system which teach creationism as fact and do not teach the national science syllabus.
It quite simply should not be allowed or tolerated...even if it is sponsored by private business.
As far as I'm concerned it resembles our planet and history as much as Warhammer or Tolkien does. This is not how our children should be taught and parents should not have that much of a say about it. If they are so sure about this particular belief, why are they so worried about their child being taught evolution?
I'd first like to laugh at a comment someone else made that the Theory of Evolution is "fact". It is a kind of silly thing to say. Theories aren't facts, they're... theories. It's just the way it is said that I find funny. I neither believe nor disbelieve ANY theory, scientific or otherwise, about the beginnings of the universe. No way to actually prove any theory without actually travelling back in time and witnessing it, so it's of very little interest beyond storytelling to me.
That out of the way, I'm also laughing at the ignorance of the religious bigot (and they ARE admitting religious beliefs of bigotry in their own statments regarding homosexuality) regarding Will Wright.
For factual evidence, since I NEVER require anyone to ever blindly accept anything I say, the following site states information regarding software that Will Wright has had a hand in:
Yes, it's called the theory of evolution. But that theory is backed up by mountains of factual evidence. Evolution is the only thing to have come along to explain how we as human beings came about, and how life on this planet changes from species to species.
Yes, it's called the theory of evolution. But that theory is backed up by mountains of factual evidence. Evolution is the only thing to have come along to explain how we as human beings came about, and how life on this planet changes from species to species.
It's fact, whether you want to believe it or not.
This "fact" stems only from what you have been told by someone else. Noone has witnessed this at first hand and so technically it has as much credibility as religion.
You would think that as a member of the Episcopal Church, a smart man like Will Wright would not be capable of creating Spore. However, we must be reminded that the Episcopal Church is the only church in america that ordains homosexuals on a regular basis.
It makes sense that a perverted church would cause a man to make the creations he has in this game. It just may be that evolution is not the only thing to fear this game teaching your children.
Im sorry but is this person really suggesting that playing spore is likely to teach you to be homosexual?!? An interesting theory
As a Christian gamer, I fail to see how Spore is anti-christian nor does it promote the theory of evolution. In fact, isn't it an "intelligent design" or "creationism" simulator?
What's far more disturbing than 1 fanatic publicly depriving himself and his son of a quality game is the downright creepy bigotry on display on some of these posts. "Destroy" and "Ban" and "Get rid of them all" aren't things that would be tolerated if they were used on any other group of people. Yet Christians are fair game. What a sad society we live in when ANY form of bigotry is tolerated, even religious bigotry.
This is not an anti American comment and I have lots of American friends, but:
The Christian right, especially in America, is in my opinion as dangerous (if not more so) as any other religious fundamentalist movement. They may not be as dangerous on an individual level as Al Qaeda etc, but they come out with all this stuff and then call America 'the land of the free'???
Was having some big drunk debate about religion on the weekend, and my thoughts on an individual's freedom to practice their religion as they wish. Idiots like this make my argument for their freedoms much harder!
America's take on creationism/intelligent design/evolution is ridiculous. There should be, in my opinion, a very healthy distance between state and religion.
Yes, it's called the theory of evolution. But that theory is backed up by mountains of factual evidence. Evolution is the only thing to have come along to explain how we as human beings came about, and how life on this planet changes from species to species.
It's fact, whether you want to believe it or not.
This "fact" stems only from what you have been told by someone else. Noone has witnessed this at first hand and so technically it has as much credibility as religion.
Sorry but that's utter b******s. There is tonnes of supporting evidence for evolution, and absolutely nothing that definitely points towards a divine creator - and, barring God himself pointing the clouds and bellowing "yes it was me", there never will be.
As far as science is concerned, evolution is on par validity-wise with things like gravity and plate tectonics. You don't hear any religious nutjobs saying gravity is a poisonous lie and it's actually God's will holding us all on the Earth, do you?
To quote the US National Academy Of Sciences, "Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena."
Yes, it's called the theory of evolution. But that theory is backed up by mountains of factual evidence. Evolution is the only thing to have come along to explain how we as human beings came about, and how life on this planet changes from species to species.
It's fact, whether you want to believe it or not.
This "fact" stems only from what you have been told by someone else. Noone has witnessed this at first hand and so technically it has as much credibility as religion.
Lol, not at all. These facts have come about through numerous experiments. Experiments throughout the fields of genetics, anatomy, ecology, animal behaviour, paleontology, cellular biology, geology.
People really need to shake of their ignorance, and do some research and learn for themselves.
As a Christian gamer, I fail to see how Spore is anti-christian nor does it promote the theory of evolution. In fact, isn't it an "intelligent design" or "creationism" simulator?
"Destroy" and "Ban" and "Get rid of them all" aren't things that would be tolerated if they were used on any other group of people. Yet Christians are fair game. What a sad society we live in when ANY form of bigotry is tolerated, even religious bigotry.
If you're a Christian, and you're offended by that sort of thing, I'll offer up a simple piece of advice:
Don't try and force your views on other people, and they won't try and force their views on you.
I think you'll find that in the vast, vast majority of cases like this, people only respond with hostility and other nastiness when the story starts with somebody trying to ban something for everybody else because of their own twisted and false views.
As a personal note, I don't see a comparison between so-called "religious bigotry" and other forms of generalizing about people.
Criticizing somebody for their ethnicity, sexuality or any other physical difference is always unacceptable. Criticizing people for the choices they've made is fair game, if and when when those choices lead them to start trying to dictate what others can and can't do with their own free time.
Yes, it's called the theory of evolution. But that theory is backed up by mountains of factual evidence. Evolution is the only thing to have come along to explain how we as human beings came about, and how life on this planet changes from species to species.
It's fact, whether you want to believe it or not.
This "fact" stems only from what you have been told by someone else. Noone has witnessed this at first hand and so technically it has as much credibility as religion.
Sorry but that's utter b******s. There is tonnes of supporting evidence for evolution, and absolutely nothing that definitely points towards a divine creator - and, barring God himself pointing the clouds and bellowing "yes it was me", there never will be.
As far as science is concerned, evolution is on par validity-wise with things like gravity and plate tectonics. You don't hear any religious nutjobs saying gravity is a poisonous lie and it's actually God's will holding us all on the Earth, do you?
To quote the US National Academy Of Sciences, "Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena."
First off I'd like to say that I believe in the theory of evolution. How we started is something I'm less clear on (a chance combination of chemicals, to me at least, seems quite dubious). Maybe I wasn't being as explanatory as I could have been, and I apologise because I do see myself as someone who likes to be concise and open-minded.
Another way of putting it is that yes, we can see certain examples of the gradual evolution of species' physical form - let's take fossilised remains, for example. Who's to say that an alien race didn't put them there to make us think we have an alternate history? It's a bizarre reference, but without evidence to the contrary, how can you PROVE that that isn't what happened? My point is that just because we think we know what we see (because it's effectively the easiest thing to believe) doesn't mean that what we see as evidence of a theory is in fact the truth. To say "theory" is one thing, "truth" would be incorrect.
I can imagine EA won't be too bothered by this rant. It's free advertising after all, the guy even explains what the game does. As the majority of people are not as mentally unstable as this guy, they should realise that it is in fact a jolly good game
Well, he doesn't really explain what it does. He conveniently fails to mention that you don't have to make a "demon-like" creature, and that you can in fact advance your species via diplomacy and peace if you choose, rather than conquering. Anyway, he's a nutter, and he will have zero impact on anything. This guy deserves to be locked up if he's going to these kind of lengths.
Another way of putting it is that yes, we can see certain examples of the gradual evolution of species' physical form - let's take fossilised remains, for example. Who's to say that an alien race didn't put them there to make us think we have an alternate history? It's a bizarre reference, but without evidence to the contrary, how can you PROVE that that isn't what happened? My point is that just because we think we know what we see (because it's effectively the easiest thing to believe) doesn't mean that what we see as evidence of a theory is in fact the truth. To say "theory" is one thing, "truth" would be incorrect.
I think as far as that sort of thing is concerned, without any direct evidence of alien visitation etc you've got to apply Occam's Razor and say that the more simple explanation (that it didn't happen) is the more likely one...
And that is precisely why they remain theories and not facts!
"Don't try and force your views on other people, and they won't try and force their views on you."
Looking back over my original post, I fail to see were I tryed to force my views on you or anyone else for that matter. Wait... surely you didn't mean "people like you", because that would be generalizing. I don't force my views on anyone. Most of the modern Christians I know also do not force their views. I try to live a good life and be a good person. People notice it when you do and you don't need to force anything.
Seriously, would you try to defend anyone saying things like "destroy" and "Get rid of them all" if it were any other group of people.
How can you even say "so-called religious bigotry"? Do you really have to question wether someone saying "wipe them out" is bigotry?
As a Christian gamer, I fail to see how Spore is anti-christian nor does it promote the theory of evolution. In fact, isn't it an "intelligent design" or "creationism" simulator?
What's far more disturbing than 1 fanatic publicly depriving himself and his son of a quality game is the downright creepy bigotry on display on some of these posts. "Destroy" and "Ban" and "Get rid of them all" aren't things that would be tolerated if they were used on any other group of people. Yet Christians are fair game. What a sad society we live in when ANY form of bigotry is tolerated, even religious bigotry.
As some of you know I take issue with ranters coming out of the woodwork ... but in this case EVERY rant on this has given me serious hope for the future of humanity.
And to the guy who is trying to defend this religious bigot .. oh puhleeeeeze. YES ... his sort should be "destroyed" ... do you know why? ... because they are f**king dangerous loonies who cause REAL HARM, thats why.
GET THIS FASCIST OUT OF MY GENE POOL and any of his offspring too.
EDIT - regarding the new site ... MY EYES! MY EYES!
"Don't try and force your views on other people, and they won't try and force their views on you."
Looking back over my original post, I fail to see were I tryed to force my views on you or anyone else for that matter. Wait... surely you didn't mean "people like you", because that would be generalizing. I don't force my views on anyone. Most of the modern Christians I know also do not force their views. I try to live a good life and be a good person. People notice it when you do and you don't need to force anything.
Seriously, would you try to defend anyone saying things like "destroy" and "Get rid of them all" if it were any other group of people.
Chill, chill!
I wasn't accusing you of anything in particular, it was aimed at anybody and every who ever tried to force their beliefs on other.
...and believe or not, it's not just Christians who get to play the victim due to this sort of thing.
I recall it wasn't too long ago (and still today, in the eyes on a certain minority) that there was a tabloid-inspired moral panic over "Islamic Terrorists" who were accused of trying to force their beliefs on everybody, the massive (but thankfully brief) backlash against the Muslim community in general, and all the repair work that had to go on in the aftermath to educate people that this wasn't the case.
...and if you think they had it bad, that's nothing when compared to what the Scientologists have to put with...
Christians have it easy in comparison, because this kind of thing only happens when one of them invites it on themselves, and normally gets forgotten about within days.
Try reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and then tell me there's a God. Anyway, what an asshole that bloke is. The type of person who'd write into points of view and complain there was nudity on the TV (whilst secretly knocking one off!)
AND the time stamps for the posts are an hour slow too. Lovely stuff!
Don't worry man, they have been for as long as I can remember.
But Marty, I DO worry!
I've never noticed the time stamps before, but I only checked them to see when SunScramble made his post as the site wasn't blindingly white at 2:30BST.
AND the time stamps for the posts are an hour slow too. Lovely stuff!
Don't worry man, they have been for as long as I can remember.
But Marty, I DO worry!
I've never noticed the time stamps before, but I only checked them to see when SunScramble made his post as the site wasn't blindingly white at 2:30BST.
Is it this white in heaven?
Nah, it's actually fairly dark at times....
...oh wait - no, that's Debenhams. Sorry, my mistake.
"can not allow the gaming industry to poison the minds of our children"
Hah, that's a good one... Oh yes. So what does religion do to the world's children? It does indeed poison the innocent and their minds. By telling a child you're going to hell and you'll be tortured with fire if you do anything wrong is a form of child abuse.
The theory of evolution is actual fact. It's backed up by waves and waves of evidence. Where as Creationism is backed up by absolute NO such evidence nor facts.
There is no actual evidence, as no one can prove that similar species actually "evolved" into slightly differing forms -- we won't know for sure for several million years, by which point we'll likely have destroyed the planet anyway.
As for religion, s**t it. Load of old b******s. The Bible is a BOOK written by a MAN.
Actually Richard Dawkins is just as big an asshole in my opinion, sprouting equally dogmatic verbage. Just as in evolution he argues that everything is down to genes, in his God Delusion he argues that everything wrong in society is down to religion. The best critique of this is by Terry Eaglton (who is an athiest) http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n20/eagl01_.html
Also to contradict another poster, the point is, evolution is not a theory, it is a fact. Darwinism is a theory. It's a theory of evolution, as are evolutionary theories that came before in the form of Greek and Roman philosophers to Jean Baptiste Lamark in the early 19th Century.
However, it is a scientific and historical fact that species evolve, or at least have evolved.
The greatness of Darwin is he came up with a superior mechanism with which to explain evolution (ie natural selection, as opposed to for example Lamark's inheritance of acquired traits). Also note that Darwin did not say that all evolution was the result of natural selection, rather that it is a key component.
I was taught creationism at GCSE alongside evolution, with the point it's up to us make the decison. I'm not going to some sort of academy, it was just the new OCR Gateway course (you just need to look at my grades to see how "great" it is.)
The simple fact of the matter is you cannot prove the inexistence of God, for all you know the universe could have been created yesterday, if an omnipotent being created everything all evidence ofthe past existence can be manipulated, so thats memories in your brain, carbon dating, dinosaurs etc.
Science is simply how our world, whether created by God yesterday or not, works. Also science isn't fact, it's best guess- so the theory of evolution isn't necessarily right. The great thing is it was Darwin who came up with the idea of science not being fact, and personally, as amazing as the theory of evolution is, I think that that is Darwin's greatest achievement. Nothing in science (unless its maths) is fact, how many times will the laws of physics remain true, the fact is we look at how everything has happened in the past and assume (pretty safely) that that is how it will happen in the future, but that isn't necessarily the case.
i wonder if the descendants of the author get any royalties? they must be loaded. and this new look site is s**te. the forums look terrible with the white borders. plus it still runs slow as f**k at this time of night.
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
'God put it there' - same as their argument / explanation for anything. 'God made us', 'God created us that way', 'God did it, God did it, God did it'.
Impossible to prove wrong or argue against - maybe they're cleverer than they sound...
Best quote on the whole religion thing I've come across (think it might be Dawkins) is 'everyone in the world is an atheist with regards to 99% of the religions that have ever existed. I just take it a few religions further.'
Yeah, it's like Bill Hicks said:
'So, explain to me why we keep finding dinosaur bones?'
'God put them there to confuse us and test our faith' (slack-jaw expression)
That is basically the kind of arguments you get from a creationist - it's delusion at its' most hardcore.
Beat me to it... Bill Hicks was a genius.
He was indeed - I think he summed Creationism up in about 5 minutes in that one routine.
I love the one;
"When will Christians ever ditch the symbol of the cross... like if Jesus came back he'd ever want to see one of them again."
As a side note, add me to the list of people who logged on to suddenly find everything had changed and been replaced by something that looks s**t.
Looks like someone took my comments about "facts" a little personally.
Yes, the scientific evidence and research are far more realistic in trying to prove the theory.
But theory is just theory and the only way to prove beyond a doubt is to actually go back and witness it.
It's true for ANY theory, religious or scientific, about the distant past.
It's as provable as String Theory.
And in the end, I really don't care.
Maybe the theories aid in other scientific endeavors, and that's good. But beyond that, I couldn't care less.
To be honest, I have my own personal view that evolution was a significant possibility. I mean, the idea that a species evolved from a single cell to more advanced forms of species till they reached a particular level of advanced "age"? Sounds very much like the "evolution" of a single individual from the single cell produced during conception, developing through more advanced stages of the individual's existance til adulthood.
Certainly APPEARS very much like the larger scale growth of a species to me.
But again, it's still not proof of the actual events described in the theory of evolution.
This website has GOT to be some sort of new type of viral advertising. It makes you laugh at just how dumb and backwards some people in the world are and makes you think "Yeah! Screw these stupid christian idiots with their medievil idea of the world - I'm going to buy Spore just to p**s them off!"
And whats at the bottom just above this text box? A google sponsorsed advert for Spore for the PC!
It's a game for god's sake, if you don't like it then don't buy it, simple.
I think this guy is just taking it too far.Kids playing Spore aren't going to be thinking about religion and creationism and propaganda and all that other stuff, they're just gonna be thinking "Wow, what a cool game!"
It really is pathetic. This guy needs to get out more. What a load of old hullabaloo.
Just as in evolution he argues that everything is down to genes, in his God Delusion he argues that everything wrong in society is down to religion.
I dunno, I reckon he has a point... There are more wars over religion than anything else.
Apparently. Oil and money have to feature on that list too.
I think thats the point. While religion can form the expression of protest against the degradations, humilation, and suffering caused by the world (As in Marx: "religion is a heart in a heartless world", it is these conditions which are key in most cases.
destroy religion and this world would be a far better place to live.
To be fair, most Christians would also laugh at this guy and creationism as much as we would. He certainly doesn't speak for an entire religion.
thankyou. i was about to ask why everytime someone religious bashes computer games people turn into bigots and have to come out and condemn religion but your post has calmed my almighty rage
Hmm, having read most of the site I'm not entirely convinced that this isn't just the work of a fellow gamer taking the p**s. I mean he seems to go out of his way to do separate posts for the various penis monsters and whatnot. Almost like he's promoting them.
destroy religion and this world would be a far better place to live.
To be fair, most Christians would also laugh at this guy and creationism as much as we would. He certainly doesn't speak for an entire religion.
thankyou. i was about to ask why everytime someone religious bashes computer games people turn into bigots and have to come out and condemn religion but your post has calmed my almighty rage
haha get life,its a game!!!! do u think EA is going to bring down the whole christian religion??? i think not,these ppl are sad,y carnt ppl jst enjoy games these days
Ok, just a quick one. Evolution is a fact, and has been observed. I can't recall the exact details, but if I recall correctly scientists 'forced' a form of bacteria to evolve into a form that could digest nylon. The point is that evolution happens, and we know that for a fact. the theory is the why and how.
Of course, it doesn't always get it right. Occasionally we get genetic throwbacks *points at suivaloom*
Ok, I am a Christian. I believe that the human race was created by God. I also believe that other species do evolve. We are all allowed our beliefs.
I also think that zealots like this guy make it hard for us Christians who DON'T cram our beliefs down other people's throats and who DON'T believe that people who are not like us are evil and automatically condemned to hell. All it does is make it harder to admit I am a Christian when I have to be associated with people like this.
Spore is a game, not a tool of evil. You can drink without getting drunk. You can fall in love with the same sex and not be condemned to a lake of fire. My God teaches love. And I don't have to have the same belief as you to care about you. People like this need help understanding this fact.
Ok, just a quick one. Evolution is a fact, and has been observed. I can't recall the exact details, but if I recall correctly scientists 'forced' a form of bacteria to evolve into a form that could digest nylon. The point is that evolution happens, and we know that for a fact. the theory is the why and how.
If scientists 'forced' it then it's not evolution it's manipulation. Evolution by definition is a gradual change of a species by mutation and or natural selection. Other wise known as survial of the fittest.
Ok, just a quick one. Evolution is a fact, and has been observed. I can't recall the exact details, but if I recall correctly scientists 'forced' a form of bacteria to evolve into a form that could digest nylon. The point is that evolution happens, and we know that for a fact. the theory is the why and how.
If scientists 'forced' it then it's not evolution it's manipulation. Evolution by definition is a gradual change of a species by mutation and or natural selection. Other wise known as survial of the fittest.
They forced it in the sense that they controlled the environment, placed an organism inside that environment, and observed the organism evolve to survive within it. They didnt actually force it to evolve in the literal sense.
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
You asked for it, so here it is. The biblical flood was catastrophic enough to bury tons of organisms in one fell swoop. Massive pressure from thousands of gallons of water compresses the organic matter into coal or petroleum. Simple.
I'd just like to point to this video here of a audience discussion with Richard Dawkins. Yes, yes, many people may not like him. But he explains alot about Evolution, etc. Worth a watch.
I'd just like to point to this video here of a audience discussion with Richard Dawkins. Yes, yes, many people may not like him. But he explains alot about Evolution, etc. Worth a watch.
Hi, I'm a Christian of the 'radical' variety. I'm excited about spore because it's just a really cool concept, and looks like one of those endless possibilities games. Yeah, this guy's rant is a off-base. He's passionate enough to speak his mind about what he believes in (1st amendment anyone?) and I read people saying ignorant, conceited things like "people like him shouldn't be allowed to walk the street," "the world would be better off without religion," etc. I mean wow, some of these posts are just as dogmatic and closed-minded as the original article.
Also, science is not fact, it is based on fact. Evolution is an observation, underneath all the study and scientific method, it's a perception that a very large majority agree with. It has merit, it's a possible explanation, but it's not fact. Don't kid yourselves that because something makes sense or stands to reason that it's true.
Please bear in mind, when you say that reactions like "He shouldn't walk the streets" are horrible, that you're the guys preaching war, and have a history of killing millions more than Stalin and Hitler combined.
Atheists are not a threat to anything. Morals are not a religious instrument. Religions, however, are a threat. Not all of them. Not buddhism, not Dao, but the monotheistic, middleeastern ones like Islam and Christianity. They preach the One True God, and by default, condemn all that do not follow their particular version. This is, and has been, the root of most of the evil this world has seen.
If we had people talking about how we all should submit to the Aliens, we'd put them in a hospital. If that Alien is called Jesus, they get automatic credibility, and power of government.
The fact that the US presidential candidates refer to "God" in their speeches, should make them unsuited for public office. Any leader that puts his ultimate responsibility in the hands of his imaginary friend.. well, it's obvious, isn't it.
If we sat down at a cafe table, and had a pleasant conversation, and then I told you that I firmly believed in Santa Claus. I mean - I *KNOW* he exists, and I want all children to be taught Santa'ism, and that the North Pole is the spiritual centre of the world, would you consider me sane? Would you respect me, and respect my views and opinions, after hearing about Santa?
"It's not the same". Yes. It's exactly the same. Why should the hardworking people of this world accept that some people refuse to take the consequences of their actions?
I would just love for one creationist to give me a decent argument about the existence of coal.
You asked for it, so here it is. The biblical flood was catastrophic enough to bury tons of organisms in one fell swoop. Massive pressure from thousands of gallons of water compresses the organic matter into coal or petroleum. Simple.
Just saying that it formed because of intense pressure from thousands of gallons of water is not an argument - there's is absolutely nothing to back up anything about a 'Great Deluge', so the argument falls flat straight away.
I find religious fanatics like this scary! More scary than anything else in this world...judging by the response there are now 3 things you shouldn't talk about....
Wow - good start. So, you're basically admitting to being overly obsessive about your religion?
Don't kid yourselves that because something makes sense or stands to reason that it's true.
Ah, that old chestnut - so, even though creationists have absolutely no leg to stand on scientifically - we can't dismiss their 'theories', because there's a 1 in a billion chance it might be true?....do you guys even listen to yourselves?
I'd just like to point to this video here of a audience discussion with Richard Dawkins. Yes, yes, many people may not like him. But he explains alot about Evolution, etc. Worth a watch.
Well I wont forgive Dawkins for his attacks on the the then recently deceseased Stephen Jay Gould in my opinion an intellectually superior scientist (note this is not comment on their respecitve theories, Gould was just more worldly wise). He was hardly in the ground
Anyway I'd recommend Stehpen Jay Gould if you want evolution explained, he spent 40 years of his life writing monthly articles explaining evolution to ordinary people.
Case in point that religion causes controversy wherever and in whatever form it appears, what is a relevantly small (and lets face it, expected) event has sparked over 100 comments in a small amount of time, amazing really.
I have to say on the last 2 weeks of the run up to spore's release I thought to myself that it was amazing this issue had not already been raised, and if it had that it had been kept low key enough to be kept out of the news of the gaming society.
However along came the expected, I knew it would not take long and I am not shocked at the amount of posts this has already generated, I have to state their has been some excellent posts here and I myself believe in the theory of evolution based on studies and findings, rather than the words of a book which was written in my opinion by a bunch of very intelligent people at a time when they prayed on peoples vulnerability and lack of understanding, in my opinion if such work was written today it would be a bestseller on the shelf next to the next Harry Potter or Northern Lights, but hey thats my opinion and in no way is it a personal attack on people or their beliefs, I dont think any less of anyone for what they choose to belief in, which leads me to my point.
Spore, i think we can all safely say was never meant as an attack on values or an influencial tool to poison the mind of the user, it is simply a game, there for enjoyment by the user, but people like this guy who are throwing out accusations and slander are the ones actually poisoning minds, and are the reason most of us have a problem with religion. These people are dangerous extremists who want nothing more to exploit and recruit new people who think exactly the same, to eventually build up the numbers of their "army" for want of a better word, they are just the same as terrorists and are very dangerous to this world, I know this sounds awful but i am not against religion, just these people who are in my eyes fanatical extremists.
Get rid of these people in religion, and allow the ones who choose to believe but do not thrust their values upon you, and we will have a better society already.
The fact that the US presidential candidates refer to "God" in their speeches, should make them unsuited for public office. Any leader that puts his ultimate responsibility in the hands of his imaginary friend.. well, it's obvious, isn't it.
Abso-Friggin-lutely....
Did anyone else feel a little annoyed when Tony Blair became a confirmed Catholic directly after passing over being PM? - that, to me, just felt sneaky....these are the sort of things that we need to know about a person that's making the major decisions for our country. I'm not saying that an atheist would make any better a PM, or that Christian, Jew or Muslim would - just that we do need to know these things first.......absolutely no way would I ever vote for a Scientologist! - that shouldn't even be taken seriously as a religion.
Bomber Blair's activities have nothing to do with his religious beliefs, only in that they are often used to defend his particular stance (to fight against evil is a duty etc).
If Blair was an athiest he would still be an imperialist bastard, because the key concept is Imperialism (and the economic conditions and the political landscape etc which make war necessary)
If you don't believe me ask yourself what the justification for the mass murder in Afgahnistan and Iraq was all about. Apart from a few f**k ups in the Bush camp where they let loose with religious rehtoric, the main justification for going to war was good old fashioned Liberal athiest/humanism - Ie, Human rights (an irony which I'm sure many Iraqis and Afgahns will chuckle at, as there limbs are splattered across a 100meter radious).
I agree with the majority here... These religious psycho's should be locked up and forced to watch The Life Of Brian over and over again, and have Charles Darwin's work read to them at lights-out. Oh, and they should be denied access to anything with the word "Cross" in it - hot cross buns, crossroads, cross-stitch... ITS ONLY A GAME.
i think he is hilarious. makes me think of the ranch back home, my 6 sisters soon to b my wifes, and my cattle for when i get a whole bunch of liqour down my choker. sitting on the front porch waiting for Walt to bring home the supper, grandma shavings and hot milk. go on youtube an see the spore monsters with the massive c**ks, thats gonna p**s off the red neck!!!
I mean he's posted his view on the internet, and from the evidence I've seen, the internet doesn't take kindly to people like him. Anonymous will find him and make his life hell.
Did anyone else feel a little annoyed when Tony Blair became a confirmed Catholic directly after passing over being PM? - that, to me, just felt sneaky....these are the sort of things that we need to know about a person that's making the major decisions for our country. I'm not saying that an atheist would make any better a PM, or that Christian, Jew or Muslim would - just that we do need to know these things first.......absolutely no way would I ever vote for a Scientologist! - that shouldn't even be taken seriously as a religion.
why would you need to know what religion a PM is if it makes no difference to how they run the country? You do know you can't have a Catholic, Muslim, Jew PM?
Ahh good ole Christians. Trying to chain the world to their cross. I think I'll create a 'Christian' Empire, in one of my alternate saves, then travel to that world with my primary save, and destroy it.
Morne
@ Ninja Proof, don't let your religious theory and such, cloud the actual facts. MOST of evolutionary theory has been PROVEN, however, the only missing 'link' with regards to humans, is the final point that connects austrolopithacene's to homo sapiens. Almost the entirety of the rest of the zoologic tree has been proven in evolutionary history. You're grasping at straws to try and fuel your beliefs, and in a way, I respect the blind devotion to your faith in the face of overwhelming proof otherwise. As I stated, many many many points of Evolution have been PROVEN. Whereas...where's the proof that Jesus existed? God? Oh, the bible, written by a man right? Yeah, that's what I thought. Zero proof. Less proof of gods existence then evolutions truth. Yes, yes, yes, there are many millions who believe in the Christian faith...but does that make them right? Or just so desparate for hope that they must grasp on the tiniest principle possible? Keep in mind, that popularity, doesn't necessarily translate into reality. In reality, American Idol sucks, but millions of people watch it. In reality, the Church and religion, have contributed to more war, death, and abuse, than any other form of Government in history. Your hands are bathed in the blood of many many many innocent civilizations, that will never see the light of day, nor their ancestors ever really understand anything about their culture, because of your religions tactic of wiping out all opposition. You just don't have the numbers to put down Islam and Buddhism, otherwise you'd try again.
I'm Agnostic, before you ask, I do believe that there are much more advanced beings out there. But, this God you speak of, doesn't fall under that belief. I don't believe any God would allow such blind devotion, twisting of it's moral beliefs, and killing in its name, because of a difference in interpretation.
This is a very narrow view to have even most christians believe in a combination of the two theories (e.g. God creates life, life then evolves) not God sneezes... Oh look big bang lol
Spore is a GAME, i get angry at the same people who say Harry Potter is the work of the devil.
Don't get me wrong i have nothing against religion its just the extremes i have trouble with.
I’m a Hindu and we have an elephant god, heck we believe in everything from evolution to well, god did it and the force and we believe all religions and no religions, that right we respect all view points including my atheist friends.
What I don’t understand about Christianity is this: a) the first book was written by Matthew(I think), 40 YEARS AFTER the death of Jesus, and this Matthew bloke wasn’t there i.e. did not witness the "crucifixion"!!!!
b) There is not one version of the bible; there have been many versions, like todays revisions of books!
c) Old or new testament? What was wrong with old one?
why can't people incorparate science into religion. i really feel sorry for this guy's kids as it would seem like he is forcing religion upon them, knowing kids they probably go round their mates to play it anyway lol
I'm not too sure what to say about religious nut jobs who claim to represent Jesus like the guy who says Spore is an evil abomination born of Satan.
So let's talk about Jesus. (Groans all around, I know but try and have a read anyway.)
He didn't spend most of his time forcing his views on everyone else like the Pharisees did. He went around serving everyone with good works and proving himself with miracles and stuff.
When he did have something he wanted to say to people at large, people went to him to listen, not the other way round. He kept it as simple as possible and let people make up their own minds about his teachings while also remaining open to continuous questioning about what he said and his beliefs.
He also prefered to hang out with sinners of all sorts, i.e. ordinary people, rather than go with the holier-than-thou crowd and regard the rest as scum.
He started off being part of a lucrative and successful carpentry business and ended up poor, despised, tortured then killed on the cross, all of his own choosing.
All this to make the ultimate sacrifice for humanity as a whole to save their butts from Hell.
He certainly didn't end up with a mansion and a fleet of sports camels dyed several colours so that he could ride the camel that suited his mood at the time.
It was only afterwards that all the religious nut jobs took his simple message, made it all complicated and went with the same old rant that you're all scum that's going straight to Hell unless you do what we say and accept that everything we say is true without question or debate.
So is God the ultimate quantum physicist who made a universe in six days that looks like it's 13.7 billion years old like an Ikea table aged to look like a contender for loads of money on the Antique Road Show or is 13.7 billion years six days to a God who isn't restricted to linear time?
Or is everything from the Big Bang to our very existance nothing more than a near impossibly low ongoing probability event that made itself from nothing?
You decide.
Oh and by the way, my personal opinion of Spore is that's it's just a fun game, not the evil device of Satan. Like Gorden the Gopher is just a puppet. Or that Football (both the UK and US ones) is just a game.
Hmm... maybe the ESRB should overreact and come up with a new rating. I've got it CR, for contradictory to religion. You could have only people who are 21 and over to be able to buy it, even with parental permission. Just wait for them to do it. I'll call all bets. XD
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i'm going to hell ain't i. oh well probably got better music down there anyway. plus you get to meet Ghandi 
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