Square Enix developer Hiroshi Takai has given a big endorsement to Microsoft's console, stating that it's "a lot easier" to work with than the PS3.
Speaking in the latest issue of Official Xbox Magazine UK, the Last Remnant director said he's crossing his fingers that his next project will be on the Xbox 360.
"It's been the team's first time working with Xbox 360 and the Unreal Engine," he said. "In both cases the experience has been a positive one. In fact, as we've only just finished work on Last Remnant I don't even know what my next project is going to be at Square Enix. However, I'm very much hoping it'll be for Xbox 360 as it's been a lot easier to work with than PlayStation 3."
It's not the first time the RPG powerhouse has sent Xbox its love; Star Ocean and Infinite Undiscovery are both on Microsoft's box, and of course Final Fantasy XIII is finally confirmed for the box.
Takai told OXM the company has been making more moves to appeal to the West. "We didn't try to appeal to one audience or the other, but tried to give everything we did a global appeal," he said. "From a visual standpoint there are some things you can get away with in Western games... characters can be less clean-cut."
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Having read a few Last Remnant reviews where most stated the game is riddled with bugs, slowdowns and glitches, this is funny beyond believe. This guy has no clue how to make a solid game.
Standing by for the Xbox fanboys saying told you Xbox rulz. PS3 fanboys blaming a developer being "lazy". Move On if we don't comment on these stories maybe CVG won't publish them and find some REAL stories
Standing by for the Xbox fanboys saying told you Xbox rulz. PS3 fanboys blaming a developer being "lazy". Move On if we don't comment on these stories maybe CVG won't publish them and find some REAL stories
However, there arent many (if any) games that are being released this side of Xmas now. All there is, is the Big 3 and every developer and his wife making these releases to sell more units in the final run-up to xmas! Ultimately with everyone plugging their stuff, there's gonna be some mud-slinging going on...
Everyone knows that the PS3 has designed with no consideration for developers.
But to be honest, other than acting as bait for the usual moronic posters (Suivaloom etc...) it doesn't really make much difference to the games PS3 owners will play, most titles will be multi format and most devs know they can't get away with dodgy versions on the PS3 anymore.
I've got the last remenant. and it is pretty glitchy, but in a similar way to mass effect. The game loads then it suddenly realises it needs textures. there's an occasional bit of slow down during bigger fights as well but, there's nothing game breaking.
Its a great game. Its just a little rough around the edges.
Pretty much all its problems can be remidied or at least made less by installing it. a crappy fix but it works.
Honestly who cares about this stuff anyway, the differences between the two machines are well documented so dragging up this kind of news when everything starts to slow down news wise is getting really boring.
Best thing that people can do about this is slate the article and not get involved in the xbox rulz and ps3 sucx crap we get every day.
More positives for the 360 and more negatives for the ps3.
Even though i'm very pro 360, i like my ps3 as well and these stories are starting to get on my nerves.
It's old news anyway, we know the ps3 is a pig of a machine to code for. The 360 is the better gaming machine, we all know that(apart from die hard sony fanboys). It has the better games, it's a joy to program for(so they say)and it's going to be the coder's favourite. But we don't need non stop cvg stories to keep reminding us of that fact
It's not all bad in the ps3 world as LBP was the highest rated game of the year.
If the 360 is so easy to develop for, then why does every SE game have bugs and slowdown? Lazy, greedy and talentless tossers, anyone? They are just releasing as much crap onto an unsuspecting 360 puplic (who quite rightly expect great things) without the quality of yesteryear. Believe me, SE have gone down the Rare road and it 'aint pretty.
It's a standard PowerPC chip, whereas the Cell is new technology and requires a completely different programming style.
As for frame rate issues, laziness is the only excuse. They want to cram as much onto the screen as they can, no matter the cost. Which might look great for screenshots but is a nightmare to actually play.
Still, the voice acting is what actually turns me off Square Enix games. It's invariably utterly crap. I don't know what the Japanese originals are like, but it would be nice of the translation team actually got some decent actors in.
And can I just add that, for me at least, the best developers work on the PS3. If the PS3 is a dog to program for, then my total respect goes out to Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Konami and Insomniac - amongst a few others. Well done guys - you are officially the best coders in the gaming world! Only the talentless folk, living on past glories now praise the 360 as they are not good enough to code for the PS3. Simple as that.
Yet another f**k up by arrogant Sony designing a machine that is a major pain in the ar$e to develop for.
Why the hell should a dev. spend a huge amount of time to learn a whole new way of developing for a machine that is in 3rd place and will offer minimal returns even if they get it right!
Sony should get their thumb out of the ar$e and provide the necessary libraries, engines and optimization tools necessary to allow the developers to circumvent the obvious steep learning curve, but that would mean Sony doing something right for a change.
Looking at the games for the PS3 shown off yesterday no one else has any problems with it. Then again looking at the reviews of Last Remnant, Mr Takai isn't exactly as ease working with the 360 either. Just another single line comment in an interview spun into more than it's suppose to be in an attempt to advertise a magazine that's going on sale soon.
Of course we'll get the forum 'experts' now telling us why it's more difficult to work with the PS3 but in reality they won't have a clue what they're talking about either.
I think the news is square saying that the want to develop games for the 360 in stead of ps3, but they are know as monneygrabbing backstabbers, so I wouldn't really care what they say.
The discusion reminds me of the sega saturn days. The saturn was a terrible thing to program for, but has a huge list of brilliant games. It doesn't say anything.
I think if there is a Playstation 4, Sony will make it a lot more developer friendly. Their arrogance and dictatorial attitude coming into this generation has cost them the enormous lead they had. The comparative failure of the PS3 is a result of Sony's self-sabotage more than the actions of MS or Nintendo.
Let's hope they learn from their humbling and never try to take the p**s again. Unfortunately, MS don't even need to be top dog to do that.
Yes, and like The Saturn the PS3 is paying the price for being a bugger to code for.
It was a major contributing factor to why the saturn lost that console war.
Sony have with the best intentions created a machine that may get the label in years to come of ahead of its time, however in the here and now its making developers think twice about even starting to make games for it, or porting them to other machines to recoup the expenses of doing so.
I don't blame square or any other company that has decided to develop for the competition. Its cheaper and easier.
If the 360 is easy to develop for. aside from the implementation of motion controls the wii must be an absolute doddle.
I think if there is a Playstation 4, Sony will make it a lot more developer friendly. Their arrogance and dictatorial attitude coming into this generation has cost them the enormous lead they had. The comparative failure of the PS3 is a result of Sony's self-sabotage more than the actions of MS or Nintendo.
Let's hope they learn from their humbling and never try to take the p**s again. Unfortunately, MS don't even need to be top dog to do that.
Unfortunatley it is rumoured that the PS4 will be powered by a slightly more powerful cell. Therefore many of the problems will still be there. However they could change the memory allocation the make things a little easier.
And can I just add that, for me at least, the best developers work on the PS3. If the PS3 is a dog to program for, then my total respect goes out to Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Konami and Insomniac - amongst a few others. Well done guys - you are officially the best coders in the gaming world! Only the talentless folk, living on past glories now praise the 360 as they are not good enough to code for the PS3. Simple as that.
i have to say you are a bit harsh as the developers only do what they are told by the marketing people. they generally don't have any say as to when a game goes out, some suit makes that choice on the basis of risk.
I would also say that epic and id have the best coders as they have been pushing the boundaries and setting the standards for all else to follow in engine development for years now and on multiple platforms. i suspect that every dev you name looks up to the likes of john carmack from id for all he has done in 3d engine development.
I also don't seem to recall devs ever saying they cant work on the ps3 but that it is harder, people generally don't take the harder route given the choice!
no matter how much you love sony products you cant deny that they have made something not very user friendly for developers and that isnt a good thing. if anything sony took the easy road and passed on the hard work to developers.
The fact that it's hard to program for isn't Sony's fault. Presumably developers had to learn how to program for PC and 360 and Wii, they can learn for Cell too.
I'd rather a developer took a few months off to get their team trained up than just released on the easiest format to work with.
Hell, if a company with no history to build on, like Media Molecule, can get it working so well then there's no reason the big guns can't do it too.
The fact that it's hard to program for isn't Sony's fault. Presumably developers had to learn how to program for PC and 360 and Wii, they can learn for Cell too.
I'd rather a developer took a few months off to get their team trained up than just released on the easiest format to work with.
Hell, if a company with no history to build on, like Media Molecule, can get it working so well then there's no reason the big guns can't do it too.
Of course it is sonys fault! They decided to go down the route of using a processor which was not designed for gameing, they decided to restrict what developers could do with the memory. Microsoft went with customised parallel processing power pc cores, nintendo went all pc like and are using an upgraded version of their previous chip both of these decisions were made in order to make them easier (and therefore also cheaper) to develop for.
The fact that it's hard to program for isn't Sony's fault. Presumably developers had to learn how to program for PC and 360 and Wii, they can learn for Cell too.
I'd rather a developer took a few months off to get their team trained up than just released on the easiest format to work with.
Hell, if a company with no history to build on, like Media Molecule, can get it working so well then there's no reason the big guns can't do it too.
but that means companies have to spend extra cash when they could go straight into a game on the 360 and spend less making it. doesn't make sense to me.
media molecule may be a new company but the people who set it up have a fair amount of experience.
the problems are architectural as the pc and 360 are very similar and both use a version of windows. the wii uses an architecture that is similar to the GC and is made by ibm and ati so is in all likelihood similar to pc's as well. as far as i understand it the cell is quite different to traditional cpu's.
in theory, once people know how to program for it it should be fine but sony seem to want to leave devs to work that out for themselves although i think they have setup some knowledge sharing scheme now, but i dont know if they include 3rd parties on that. MS worked very closely with devs in designing the 360 and attempted to make it very easy to work with.
Of course it is sonys fault! They decided to go down the route of using a processor which was not designed for gameing, they decided to restrict what developers could do with the memory. Microsoft went with customised parallel processing power pc cores, nintendo went all pc like and are using an upgraded version of their previous chip both of these decisions were made in order to make them easier (and therefore also cheaper) to develop for.
If the PS3 is so difficult to program why did SE build their new in house (Crystal Tools) engine around the PS3's architecture?
i thought games developers would love the challenge why become a game maker just to say oh no thats to hard to code for lets just make games the easy way how are you ment to evolutionize technology by standing still ps3 is the future system right now only the top game devs make games on the ps3 and only the top game players play ps3
Of course it is sonys fault! They decided to go down the route of using a processor which was not designed for gameing, they decided to restrict what developers could do with the memory. Microsoft went with customised parallel processing power pc cores, nintendo went all pc like and are using an upgraded version of their previous chip both of these decisions were made in order to make them easier (and therefore also cheaper) to develop for.
If the PS3 is so difficult to program why did SE build their new in house (Crystal Tools) engine around the PS3's architecture?
It has been developed for all three current gen consoles and this is a quote from the developer regarding the ps3 development of the engine "the hurdles are greater than they were in the move from the PS1 to the PS2"
And can I just add that, for me at least, the best developers work on the PS3. If the PS3 is a dog to program for, then my total respect goes out to Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Konami and Insomniac - amongst a few others. Well done guys - you are officially the best coders in the gaming world! Only the talentless folk, living on past glories now praise the 360 as they are not good enough to code for the PS3. Simple as that.
Why the hell don't you just come out of that closet Mark? We all know you used to be the biggest Sony fan boy on this site anyway. Just admit and become another crimbo!
i thought games developers would love the challenge why become a game maker just to say oh no thats to hard to code for lets just make games the easy way how are you ment to evolutionize technology by standing still ps3 is the future system right now only the top game devs make games on the ps3 and only the top game players play ps3
Why go over a mountain when you can go around it? As a business it does not make as much sense to program for a harder console (and therefore the added costs this brings).
I think the news is square saying that the want to develop games for the 360 in stead of ps3, but they are know as monneygrabbing backstabbers, so I wouldn't really care what they say.
The discusion reminds me of the sega saturn days. The saturn was a terrible thing to program for, but has a huge list of brilliant games. It doesn't say anything.
Haha, "moneygrabbing" well as they are corporation they are hardly going to say "no its fine our shareholders don't need dividends this year, lets just be friends." Its like saying "bloody footballers, always trying to score a goal".
"Backstabbers" please get in the real world. This is capitalism! Did you know for example in the late 1930s, Coca Cola because it was unable to sell its drinks to Nazi Germany becuase of the whole war thing developed a drink specifically for the Nazis, which it could make from its operations within the country. This new drink was called Fanta. Did you also know that IBM, in the 1940s produced machines that enabled the Nazis to process Jews in the death camps, it even had a contract to regular service these machines within the camps. Both companies are American companies fraternising with the enemy and in the case of IBM doing disgusting things.
What is my point? there is no honour, morality or niceties about capitalism - the bottom line is competition and accumulation.
i thought games developers would love the challenge why become a game maker just to say oh no thats to hard to code for lets just make games the easy way.
Erm, that's not really a very good argument. Bit like saying why use a vacuum when you could actually just pick up every piece of dirt with your fingers!
And it's not just about making the game the "easy way". It's about investing the effort in worthwhile activities. The less time spent fighting the awkward hardware, the more time can be put into optimising the game. The proof of the pudding is how a lot of earlier PS3 ports suffered from poor framerates and jaggies whillst the 360 versions which were made "the easy way" were just fine.
i thought games developers would love the challenge why become a game maker just to say oh no thats to hard to code for lets just make games the easy way how are you ment to evolutionize technology by standing still ps3 is the future system right now only the top game devs make games on the ps3 and only the top game players play ps3
Why go over a mountain when you can go around it? As a business it does not make as much sense to program for a harder console (and therefore the added costs this brings).
so basically sony are intending to flog a dead horse untill its a pile of mush.
Last i heard Sony were planning on the PS3 having a longer shelf life than the 360 and wii.
I think they should cut thier loses and try again.
or they could always quit.
Just because the PS3 has a 10 year life doesn't mean Sony won't release the PS4 4 or 5 years into that life cycle. They're not mutually exclusive.
You should email Sony with your suggestion, I would imagine they would really consider it.
Do you honestly think it will. They're lucky the blu ray gambit kind of paid off or it would already be an absolute joke. How many people are going to go woo i want sony's last gen console when the ps4 is out.
It is mutually exclusive as companies tend to send their previous gens console out to pasture as soon as if not just before thier latest offereing is released.
There has only been two exceptions to this.The PS3 and the NES- because they were incredibly popular. The PS3 isn't.
It has been developed for all three current gen consoles and this is a quote from the developer regarding the ps3 development of the engine "the hurdles are greater than they were in the move from the PS1 to the PS2"
How many people are going to go woo i want sony's last gen console when the ps4 is out.
It is mutually exclusive as companies tend to send their previous gens console out to pasture as soon as if not just before thier latest offereing is released.
Probably the same people who still buy the PS2 in it's thousands at the moment.
Sony didn't write off the PS1 when the PS2 was released and didn't write off the PS2 when the PS3 was released.
How many people are going to go woo i want sony's last gen console when the ps4 is out.
It is mutually exclusive as companies tend to send their previous gens console out to pasture as soon as if not just before thier latest offereing is released.
Probably the same people who still buy the PS2 in it's thousands at the moment.
Sony didn't write off the PS1 when the PS2 was released and didn't write off the PS2 when the PS3 was released.
probably because the PS1 and 2 were the most popular consoles of the generation. and the PS3 is comfortably sitting in 3rd place.
What company would keep making a machine that has so far only cost them a lot of money for little return.
I know you sony fans hate it but this genreation is Nintendo's. because they looked at the market, thought about what used to make gaming great, listened to the needs of people and made a machine based on that. MS on the other hand spoke to developers and asked them what they needed and produced the 360.
Sony decided that they were so great that they could ignore the needs of everybody and still turn a profit. and so far they haven't.
It has been developed for all three current gen consoles and this is a quote from the developer regarding the ps3 development of the engine "the hurdles are greater than they were in the move from the PS1 to the PS2"
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
A bit like your 'Microsofts 5 year plan' statement yesterday that turned out to be.... rubbish.
I love the way on this site if you say anything positive about a PS3 you're a fanboy but if you do nothing but attack it you're not a fanboy. So many experts so few brain cells.
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
A bit like your 'Microsofts 5 year plan' statement yesterday that turned out to be.... rubbish.
I love the way on this site if you say anything positive about a PS3 you're a fanboy but if you do nothing but attack it you're not a fanboy. So many experts so few brain cells.
oh i know its a nice little double standard fanboys have on forums ive noticed if they dont like the other console you choose or watever
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
A bit like your 'Microsofts 5 year plan' statement yesterday that turned out to be.... rubbish.
I love the way on this site if you say anything positive about a PS3 you're a fanboy but if you do nothing but attack it you're not a fanboy. So many experts so few brain cells.
You and the over-sensitive Sony c**ks on this site are the first to rubbish or jump into a 360 thread, so give it a rest Mr Lobotomy!
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
A bit like your 'Microsofts 5 year plan' statement yesterday that turned out to be.... rubbish.
I love the way on this site if you say anything positive about a PS3 you're a fanboy but if you do nothing but attack it you're not a fanboy. So many experts so few brain cells.
If you could actually read you will realise that at no point did I state the 5 year plan as fact. Also it is very likely that they have a 5 year plan or thereabouts. If you knew anything about the games industry or even gaming you would understand this.
I have not called you a fanboy, but since you are bringing it up "if the cap fits"......
So that is your very educated response to being asked a question........ You should go into politics...
Square created the engine on PS3 before the machine was even released. They probably were under the ipmression (like many others) that it was going to be another market leader and therfore worth spending the money on. Unfortunately this has not turned out to be the case.
A bit like your 'Microsofts 5 year plan' statement yesterday that turned out to be.... rubbish.
I love the way on this site if you say anything positive about a PS3 you're a fanboy but if you do nothing but attack it you're not a fanboy. So many experts so few brain cells.
oh i know its a nice little double standard fanboys have on forums ive noticed if they dont like the other console you choose or watever
For the record, if I am a fanboy of anything it is of gaming. I own a PS1, PS2, PSP, DS, GBA, Gamecube, PC, Wii, NeoGeo Pocket Color, Atari Lynx, Xbox, Xbox 360, Dreamcast, Amiga and a Spectrum 48k.
At the end of the day Sony decided on the specs of the Cell as some big dick waving exercise, something to talk about/market in some mstical sense. Oooh it has a cell processor (that must mean it's sh1t hot thinks mr avergae in the street) but in reality it's not nearly as capable as Sony led us all to believe and clearly it's a bitch to work with because numerous developers have said so and they have no particular axe to grind. Sony have made their bed and they've got to lie in it.
If you're a developer and you've got pot X of money to write a game then you're likely to choose the 360 (or Wii to a lesser extent) because you're already familiar with the architecture and so you can get the bloody game out on time and budget and get some money back in. It's just business at the end of the day. Oh and as for Media Molecule, they were bankrolled by Sony to do LBP (for which they did a brilliant job).
The Sony fanboys on here desperately trying to defend the indefensible should be ashamed of themselves. Enjoy your PS3, it's a great machine, but it's a git to write for, end of.
You're just as bad as the rest of us, you love these threads like they're going out of fashion. And you defend the ps3 like your life depends on it.
And don't you deny that
Never denied anything like that. If I had a Ł1 for every time I've read that PS3 owners are over sensitive and defensive in these forums I wouldn't have to work again. Yet when you question the 360 fanboys they spit the dummy out and start the personal attacks. Look at Tonyb's comment on this thread, then go into the Uncharted thread and you will see he's doing exactly what he's saying PS3 owners do. He's more like Crimbo than he cares to admit.
You're just as bad as the rest of us, you love these threads like they're going out of fashion. And you defend the ps3 like your life depends on it.
And don't you deny that
Never denied anything like that. If I had a Ł1 for every time I've read that PS3 owners are over sensitive and defensive in these forums I wouldn't have to work again. Yet when you question the 360 fanboys they spit the dummy out and start the personal attacks. Look at Tonyb's comment on this thread, then go into the Uncharted thread and you will see he's doing exactly what he's saying PS3 owners do. He's more like Crimbo than he cares to admit.
If anything it's funny as hell watching it.
having read your comments in the Uncharted thread perhaps you should follow the advice in your own signature. You have no right to complain about Tonyb when you're just as bad.
You're just as bad as the rest of us, you love these threads like they're going out of fashion. And you defend the ps3 like your life depends on it.
And don't you deny that
Never denied anything like that. If I had a Ł1 for every time I've read that PS3 owners are over sensitive and defensive in these forums I wouldn't have to work again. Yet when you question the 360 fanboys they spit the dummy out and start the personal attacks. Look at Tonyb's comment on this thread, then go into the Uncharted thread and you will see he's doing exactly what he's saying PS3 owners do. He's more like Crimbo than he cares to admit.
If anything it's funny as hell watching it.
What do you mean "have to work again"?
It's obvious by the amount of time day & night you spend on here talking complete and utter Sony b******s that you're definitely a dole-ite with no friends and a personality bypass!
having read your comments in the Uncharted thread perhaps you should follow the advice in your own signature. You have no right to complain about Tonyb when you're just as bad.
When did I complain about him? I said he was doing it, that's not complaining about it. He can do it all he wants.
It's obvious by the amount of time day & night you spend on here talking complete and utter Sony b******s that you're definitely a dole-ite with no friends and a personality bypass!
having read your comments in the Uncharted thread perhaps you should follow the advice in your own signature. You have no right to complain about Tonyb when you're just as bad.
When did I complain about him? I said he was doing it, that's not complaining about it. He can do it all he wants.
Thanks for the permission there gonad but when you stop the general personal insults and digs, the sooner I'll leave your pathetic ar$e alone!
I think if there is a Playstation 4, Sony will make it a lot more developer friendly. Their arrogance and dictatorial attitude coming into this generation has cost them the enormous lead they had. The comparative failure of the PS3 is a result of Sony's self-sabotage more than the actions of MS or Nintendo.
Let's hope they learn from their humbling and never try to take the p**s again. Unfortunately, MS don't even need to be top dog to do that.
For once Mogs I agree with everything you've said - yes, even the MS taking the p**s part...
All that aside though, does anyone outside of games developers care that the PS3 is hard to develop for? As long as quality games continue to arrive for it, how does it affect anyone?
Looking at the games for the PS3 shown off yesterday no one else has any problems with it. Then again looking at the reviews of Last Remnant, Mr Takai isn't exactly as ease working with the 360 either. Just another single line comment in an interview spun into more than it's suppose to be in an attempt to advertise a magazine that's going on sale soon.
Of course we'll get the forum 'experts' now telling us why it's more difficult to work with the PS3 but in reality they won't have a clue what they're talking about either.
marty
Listen 'pal' - I already had a chat to CVG Gav about you yesterday, continue your personal crusade to name drop and slander me at every opportunity and you will get banned AGAIN. Cut it the f**k out you child.
I think if there is a Playstation 4, Sony will make it a lot more developer friendly. Their arrogance and dictatorial attitude coming into this generation has cost them the enormous lead they had. The comparative failure of the PS3 is a result of Sony's self-sabotage more than the actions of MS or Nintendo.
Let's hope they learn from their humbling and never try to take the p**s again. Unfortunately, MS don't even need to be top dog to do that.
For once Mogs I agree with everything you've said - yes, even the MS taking the p**s part...
All that aside though, does anyone outside of games developers care that the PS3 is hard to develop for? As long as quality games continue to arrive for it, how does it affect anyone?
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3. Also it has an impact in the form of delays and content. If developers are spending more time just writing the code then it means that it is possible that they may leave out features/levels etc which could have been put in if it was easier to develop. It also means that as the cost is greater to the developer they are even less likely to take risks than they are anyway, so even more sequels.
Sometimes you have to sit back and just laugh. A Developer has said the PS3 is more difficult to programme for than the 360 and all of a sudden they are lazy/crap Devs, too too funny.
Seeing the usual folks jump to the defence of Sony and imply that it is the Devs fault is amusing but also rather sad.
'Hey Corgi Engineer, I know that your used to installing and configuring the same boiler for years and years but you now have to install and configure this new one, its more difficult to do and is more time consuming which ends up costing you more money but it will give marginal positives over the old one. Which one do you want to continue installing Mr Engineer?'
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3.
I agree. However, thus far, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. For every Left 4 Dead or Gears of War, there's an Uncharted or LittleBigPlanet, and in between that there are multi format games coming to both. Basically, yes, the complex architecture of the PS3 *could* put devs off from making games for it, but so far, it hasn't - and I've seen nothing to suggest that this will change.
Also it has an impact in the form of delays and content. If developers are spending more time just writing the code then it means that it is possible that they may leave out features/levels etc which could have been put in if it was easier to develop. It also means that as the cost is greater to the developer they are even less likely to take risks than they are anyway, so even more sequels.
Delays are another matter. Though what I do know is, delays happen no matter which system they are for.
Looking at the games for the PS3 shown off yesterday no one else has any problems with it. Then again looking at the reviews of Last Remnant, Mr Takai isn't exactly as ease working with the 360 either. Just another single line comment in an interview spun into more than it's suppose to be in an attempt to advertise a magazine that's going on sale soon.
Of course we'll get the forum 'experts' now telling us why it's more difficult to work with the PS3 but in reality they won't have a clue what they're talking about either.
marty
Listen 'pal' - I already had a chat to CVG Gav about you yesterday, continue your personal crusade to name drop and slander me at every opportunity and you will get banned AGAIN. Cut it the f**k out you child.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (screaming insults at you)
I think you need to go and play some flOw. Chill out a bit.
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3.
I agree. However, thus far, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. For every Left 4 Dead or Gears of War, there's an Uncharted or LittleBigPlanet, and in between that there are multi format games coming to both. Basically, yes, the complex architecture of the PS3 *could* put devs off from making games for it, but so far, it hasn't - and I've seen nothing to suggest that this will change.
Also it has an impact in the form of delays and content. If developers are spending more time just writing the code then it means that it is possible that they may leave out features/levels etc which could have been put in if it was easier to develop. It also means that as the cost is greater to the developer they are even less likely to take risks than they are anyway, so even more sequels.
Delays are another matter. Though what I do know is, delays happen no matter which system they are for.
I agree to a point but I would say that there are more games released for 360 than for PS3. The big games may well not be hit as they will sell well enough on PS3 to warrent the cost but other more niche games may well miss the PS3. LBP is a different matter as the development costs were helped by Sony and Uncharted is a first party game.
i guess this has been talked about since its release but here's the funny thing, last remnant isn't the most technically amazing game ever (maybe there was a restricted amount of resources)with horrendous frame rates and a few glitches as well. So now im thinking that ff13 might just suck a$$ coz if they cant code for the easy xbox wtf is gonna happen with the ps3 game? One more thing i'd like to point out. I may be wrong about this but whenever a solid game comes on the ps3 the devs have never complained about how hard it was but when a game comes out and looks half finished then you get them moaning like girls.
I agree to a point but I would say that there are more games released for 360 than for PS3. The big games may well not be hit as they will sell well enough on PS3 to warrent the cost but other more niche games may well miss the PS3. LBP is a different matter as the development costs were helped by Sony and Uncharted is a first party game.
I would say that too. However, that is PURELY because I own a 360, and vastly more up to date on happenings with the 360, and my knowledge of PS3 stuff is limited. This doesn't necessarily make it so, however.
What Sony SHOULD have done, is take on the job of getting the best results out of the Cell SPEs (especially for graphical tasks, taking work of the struggling GPU is the only way to get 360 bettering graphical statistics) themselves.
This should have been done in as generic a way as possible, meaning most developers don't NEED to R&D the methods themselves. Of course, some will decide they can do it better, and would take the time necessary to gain an advantage, (Much like Factor 5 did rewriting the N64's GPU microcode) but for the most part, Sony should have done this for all developers.
Proper example code for optimising physics through the remaining SPEs should have been provided too, (although I'm sure licensing Havoc will do much of that for you these days.) How elements of AI can be moved to SPEs should be a massive part of Sony's literature.
Developers can build on PhyrEngine if they choose, but this doesn't give them 360 beating performance. Does this make them "Lazy Devs"? Knowing the GRID/DIRT engine was built on top of it, would people call them "Lazy Devs"? I think not. It's actually the developers that start from scratch because they have existing tech which needs converting, or are a bit arrogant about the results they think they'll get, that end up with poor PS3 performance. It's not laziness at all usually.
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
The cell is actually very powerful however it was not designed for gaming. Throw encoding at it and it flies!
All I can say is, it has been said by developers on many occasions the 360 is easier to work with. Thinking logically (there's an idea!!) of course a developer is going to prefer putting in less effort to get the same results! That doesn't mean the PS3 is worse, it just means it takes more time and effort and therefore money.
If developers were putting extra time and effort into the PS3 and getting results that are much better than the 360, then of course it would be worth it for them, and a great challenge.
If developers want a real challenge, they should try and get the same graphics out of the wii that Nintendo manage to!
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is. As with anything in life which we don't have direct experience of, you take pieces of information and make an informed... what's it called, oh yeah... OPINION.
off topic, I just saw an advert on TV for Mario Party 8 with the redknapps and their kids... no wonder Nintendo are cleaning up. Parents are going to see that advert and go mental!
I just saw an advert on TV for Mario Party 8 with the redknapps and their kids... no wonder Nintendo are cleaning up. Parents are going to see that advert and go mental!
good advertising always works. nintendo advertise nearly everything they bring out themselves and a lot of third party games for wii have had ads too. and they're the market leader. now look at sony who seem to have said "we're too big a brand to even need advertising" and look at their position. 3rd place at the moment. and the obscure LBP ads don't help, if i hadn't bought the game already i wouldn't have a clue what its about. its poor marketing
The CELL/BLURAY are the future...DVD is the past, its like NASA sayin, oh lets use the current space shuttle for a mission to mars = its not gonna happen. developers need to face the fact that ps3 is the future and the 360 has had its day.....so stop moanin and learn to move forward. (no fanboy)
The CELL/BLURAY are the future...DVD is the past, its like NASA sayin, oh lets use the current space shuttle for a mission to mars = its not gonna happen. developers need to face the fact that ps3 is the future and the 360 has had its day.....so stop moanin and learn to move forward. (no fanboy)
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is.
Speak for yourself Ric! I've been spent the last 13 years of my life programming videogames on numerous platforms.
The CELL/BLURAY are the future...DVD is the past, its like NASA sayin, oh lets use the current space shuttle for a mission to mars = its not gonna happen. developers need to face the fact that ps3 is the future and the 360 has had its day.....so stop moanin and learn to move forward. (no fanboy)
Thanks for clearing that up, I was waiting for the definitive answer on what the future is.
Bluray probably will be the next platform, when it speeds up a bit it will be much better. Cell? I'm not so sure. When you take into account Moore's Law (there will be twice as many transistors within two years or whatever it is) no matter how powerful it was when designed in 2005, I'm sure it will be easily superceded by the next gen.
Thats funny cus i have more great games for the PS3 than i care to think about. It hasnt made my experience of gaming this generation any worse. General rule of thumb: If a game leads on the PS3 then the game is ok to code for and can be ported over to 360 with relative ease. Where as if the lead version is done using PC/XBOX360, then when porting over to the PS3 there will be adjustments which need to be made because of the structure of the PS3's architecture.
Of course a new approach to programming is going to be difficult, if it was easy then monkeys would be trained to do it! But over time when a developer learns the ins and outs of the skills required, games can be made with more ease. Much like what has happened with the 360 as programmers have had years of experience on this platform. Hence it being easier to code for. ITS COMMON SENSE - THERE IS NO QUESTION !!!! F*CKING HELL.
Games like Uncharted and MGS4 have been produced so far which show that great games can be made on the PS3 easily.
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is.
Speak for yourself Ric! I've been spent the last 13 years of my life programming videogames on numerous platforms.
Well step in an give us some definitive answers - actually I don't blame you for not getting involved!
My cousins both work for Bizarre, but as they typically only do 360 I can't promise a balanced argument!
I do occasionally try and pass on a few enlightening words, but you won't be surprised to hear that having fanboys call me a liar if I quote a negative aspect of their machine is not something I want to have to fight.
I tend to speak only as a gamer on here, and the fact that is I choose to own a 360, although Nintendo have a large chunk of my gaming heart, despite their over reliance on the casual $$$ these days!
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
The cell is actually very powerful however it was not designed for gaming. Throw encoding at it and it flies!
cell is better than you think,the mosaic shows what's done on cell.
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is.
Speak for yourself Ric! I've been spent the last 13 years of my life programming videogames on numerous platforms.
Well step in an give us some definitive answers - actually I don't blame you for not getting involved!
My cousins both work for Bizarre, but as they typically only do 360 I can't promise a balanced argument!
Thats a hilarious pic you've got there. is that Chucks famous chin fist thats striking that woman
The CELL/BLURAY are the future...DVD is the past, its like NASA sayin, oh lets use the current space shuttle for a mission to mars = its not gonna happen. developers need to face the fact that ps3 is the future and the 360 has had its day.....so stop moanin and learn to move forward. (no fanboy)
Bluray probably will be the next platform, when it speeds up a bit it will be much better.
eh?
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
@Dajimin. Thats a silly comment you just made. Its EXACTLY sonys fault that the ps3 is difficult to develop for, and it was the same for the PS2. Every company bar Sony manages to create a developer friendly console, and as this is Sony's third attempt, they have no excuse for mucking it up. Lets at least have fanboy comments grounded in some form of realism.
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is.
Speak for yourself Ric! I've been spent the last 13 years of my life programming videogames on numerous platforms.
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
It beats work. Show me another forum I'm interested in that has as much traffic, I'd move there in a heart beat
I don't think any of us here are developers or have any experience with the development kits for any console, so we can't state definitively what the case is.
Speak for yourself Ric! I've been spent the last 13 years of my life programming videogames on numerous platforms.
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
It beats work. Show me another forum I'm interested in that has as much traffic, I'd move there in a heart beat
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
It beats work. Show me another forum I'm interested in that has as much traffic, I'd move there in a heart beat
Chat to naked girls for free.com?
That may well lead me to 'www.jobsgopublic.com', if you catch my drift...
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
It beats work. Show me another forum I'm interested in that has as much traffic, I'd move there in a heart beat
Chat to naked girls for free.com?
That may well lead me to 'www.jobsgopublic.com', if you catch my drift...
Bluray probably will be the next platform, when it speeds up a bit it will be much better.
eh?
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
That's exactly what I meant! Still if it reads so slowly you would think it would have to work much harder; why is it so much quieter than the 360 DVD drive then?!? Oh yeah, because MS just modified an old Alba CD player for the drive in the 360.
And ensabahnur, yes that is Chuck. He certainly showed her who's boss.
I fancy a cup of tea. Anyone else fancy a cup of tea? I have English Breakfast, Lady Grey, green, peppermint or good old Tetley.
Don’t you lot get bored arguing through the same things day in, day out? It really is the same old tiresome things reeled out by both sides of the so called divide and the neutrals are just as guilty. Mind you, here I am, typing this, so I am just as bad. What happened to the love man?
It beats work. Show me another forum I'm interested in that has as much traffic, I'd move there in a heart beat
Yes I know, it was only a half hearted attempt to heal the internal pain many posters on here evidently feel about a ‘rival’ platform. It’s actually much funnier to watch what unfolds, especially when all the fanboy deniers start rolling out their preset lines as to why they’re not one. The charade fools no one, not even yourselves!
That aside, so what if the 360 is easier to programme for, it’s the end product that matters, if that’s not up to scratch then everything else is immaterial
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
That's not going to stop Blu-ray catching on.
whats that got to dowith blu ray catching on. i somewhat think ye have lost the plot.
Bluray as a format is at a bit of an odd cross roads. it's either going to take over as DVD did or die on its bottom as more people decide to download videos/games instead.
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
That's not going to stop Blu-ray catching on.
I don't think anyone was even questioning that fact. Possibly it is not necessary this gen, but DVD's will run out of space soon. I don't think anyone could argue that faster read speeds aren't a good thing!
And for Sony's sake it had better catch on, otherwise they'll be up poo creek.
Bluray probably will be the next platform, when it speeds up a bit it will be much better.
eh?
He is talking about the read speed of the drives. at present they are pretty slow. I believe the PS3 only has 1X drive. Thus the occasional need to install chunks of the game so that they will load faster.
If the drive can access things quicker this will not be needed as much
That's exactly what I meant! Still if it reads so slowly you would think it would have to work much harder; why is it so much quieter than the 360 DVD drive then?!? Oh yeah, because MS just modified an old Alba CD player for the drive in the 360.
And ensabahnur, yes that is Chuck. He certainly showed her who's boss.
I fancy a cup of tea. Anyone else fancy a cup of tea? I have English Breakfast, Lady Grey, green, peppermint or good old Tetley.
Chuck is a god to all men, that's all that needs to be said. I'd also like an English Breakfast tea, though it does make me urinate quite a lot. Yes, I know its a diuretic.
i'll take some english breakfast. I'm in the mood for something mild.
I think the reason the PS3 is so quiet is because the blu ray drive isn't used that much, much like playing games on PC the drive'll whir for a bit then stop when the HDD takes over.
Guess it has a catching system or something. I'm no expert.
The CELL/BLURAY are the future...DVD is the past, its like NASA sayin, oh lets use the current space shuttle for a mission to mars = its not gonna happen. developers need to face the fact that ps3 is the future and the 360 has had its day.....so stop moanin and learn to move forward. (no fanboy)
Thanks for clearing that up, I was waiting for the definitive answer on what the future is.
Bluray probably will be the next platform, when it speeds up a bit it will be much better. Cell? I'm not so sure. When you take into account Moore's Law (there will be twice as many transistors within two years or whatever it is) no matter how powerful it was when designed in 2005, I'm sure it will be easily superceded by the next gen.
Seems likely, even though Moore himself stated that he sees his "Law" hitting a wall within the near future as current means of producing transistors hits physical law walls. Light and energy mediums may change that but we're not quite there yet.
whats that got to dowith blu ray catching on. i somewhat think ye have lost the plot.
Bluray as a format is at a bit of an odd cross roads. it's either going to take over as DVD did or die on its bottom as more people decide to download videos/games instead.
If the 360 is so easy to develop for, then why does every SE game have bugs and slowdown? Lazy, greedy and talentless tossers, anyone? They are just releasing as much crap onto an unsuspecting 360 puplic (who quite rightly expect great things) without the quality of yesteryear. Believe me, SE have gone down the Rare road and it 'aint pretty.
Expectation for the next FF? Low.
Funny thing is if the next FF was still PS3 exclusive theres no way in hell you'd be saying that! You'd defend that game to the death!
whats that got to dowith blu ray catching on. i somewhat think ye have lost the plot.
Bluray as a format is at a bit of an odd cross roads. it's either going to take over as DVD did or die on its bottom as more people decide to download videos/games instead.
ask ricflair he's the guy that brought it up.
No I didn't. It was michael1986ps3 or whatever his name is, i.e BR and cell are the future and I concurred that BR will probably be the storage medium for the next gen and that it will be much better once they up the read speed.
Has Santa told you you're not getting any pressies this year voodoo? You're in a foul mood today.
Tea's are on the way. I went to this really poncey tea shop in Camden the other day. I had half Earl Grey/half lapsang - lovely stuff!
Tea's are on the way. I went to this really poncey tea shop in Camden the other day. I had half Earl Grey/half lapsang - lovely stuff!
Awesome, what's it called i think i'll check it out next time i'm in the area.
It's in Camden Lock somewhere, Middle Yard I think it was. It's called Yummcha or something similar, you can mix and match whatever you want. The guy there sure knows a lot about tea!
It had the Earl Grey citrus flavour but with that smokey lapsang taste too and was only a quid! But I think that was because we were playing a gig outside, because that sure ain't fancy camden prices!
Tea's are on the way. I went to this really poncey tea shop in Camden the other day. I had half Earl Grey/half lapsang - lovely stuff!
Awesome, what's it called i think i'll check it out next time i'm in the area.
Is it the same place as that “ye olde” looking coffee shop on Delancy Street? I’ve always walked past that and looked longingly in, but never longingly looked enough to actually enter the premises.
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
The cell is actually very powerful however it was not designed for gaming. Throw encoding at it and it flies!
cell is better than you think,the mosaic shows what's done on cell.
Tea's are on the way. I went to this really poncey tea shop in Camden the other day. I had half Earl Grey/half lapsang - lovely stuff!
Awesome, what's it called i think i'll check it out next time i'm in the area.
Is it the same place as that “ye olde” looking coffee shop on Delancy Street? I’ve always walked past that and looked longingly in, but never longingly looked enough to actually enter the premises.
The owner used to have another place. I think he said it was a market stall though, but not sure. So it could be the same place but in a new location.
I actually really fancied a coffee, but though "when in Rome..."!
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
Camden's too close to Primrose Hill for too many cheap eats and I generally avoid it, despite living ten minutes away! There are loads of good cheap places to eat in London, you just have to know where they are. Maybe 'loads' is a bit OTT.
If you're ever up in Archway, try the Archgate opposite the tube for inexpensive, decent portioned turkish/med. Lovely stuff!
It has a bit. but in a good way. I don't live in London, but i found the stalls in the market quite reasonable. But most restraunts took the p**s a little.
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3.
I agree. However, thus far, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. For every Left 4 Dead or Gears of War, there's an Uncharted or LittleBigPlanet, and in between that there are multi format games coming to both. Basically, yes, the complex architecture of the PS3 *could* put devs off from making games for it, but so far, it hasn't - and I've seen nothing to suggest that this will change.
What about Valve and that's just off the top of my head?
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3.
I agree. However, thus far, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. For every Left 4 Dead or Gears of War, there's an Uncharted or LittleBigPlanet, and in between that there are multi format games coming to both. Basically, yes, the complex architecture of the PS3 *could* put devs off from making games for it, but so far, it hasn't - and I've seen nothing to suggest that this will change.
What about Valve and that's just off the top of my head?
I mentioned Left 4 Dead (by Valve). And like I said there, for every one of those, we have Naughty Dog or Media Molecules who only seem to be producing games for the PS3. Swings and roundabouts and all that.
You mean for every Developer that *is* put off by the awkward architecture and chooses not to bother, there's one that's directly funded by Sony and has to?
You mean for every Developer that *is* put off by the awkward architecture and chooses not to bother, there's one that's directly funded by Sony and has no to?
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
Camden's too close to Primrose Hill for too many cheap eats and I generally avoid it, despite living ten minutes away! There are loads of good cheap places to eat in London, you just have to know where they are. Maybe 'loads' is a bit OTT.
If you're ever up in Archway, try the Archgate opposite the tube for inexpensive, decent portioned turkish/med. Lovely stuff!
Now this HAS gone off topic.
It certainly has, try Limani in Primrose Hill, nice little greek place, mildy pricey but tasty food! Anyway, I'm off home.
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
Camden's too close to Primrose Hill for too many cheap eats and I generally avoid it, despite living ten minutes away! There are loads of good cheap places to eat in London, you just have to know where they are. Maybe 'loads' is a bit OTT.
If you're ever up in Archway, try the Archgate opposite the tube for inexpensive, decent portioned turkish/med. Lovely stuff!
Now this HAS gone off topic.
It certainly has, try Limani in Primrose Hill, nice little greek place, mildy pricey but tasty food! Anyway, I'm off home.
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
Camden's too close to Primrose Hill for too many cheap eats and I generally avoid it, despite living ten minutes away! There are loads of good cheap places to eat in London, you just have to know where they are. Maybe 'loads' is a bit OTT.
If you're ever up in Archway, try the Archgate opposite the tube for inexpensive, decent portioned turkish/med. Lovely stuff!
Now this HAS gone off topic.
It certainly has, try Limani in Primrose Hill, nice little greek place, mildy pricey but tasty food! Anyway, I'm off home.
whats that got to dowith blu ray catching on. i somewhat think ye have lost the plot.
Bluray as a format is at a bit of an odd cross roads. it's either going to take over as DVD did or die on its bottom as more people decide to download videos/games instead.
ask ricflair he's the guy that brought it up.
No I didn't. It was michael1986ps3 or whatever his name is, i.e BR and cell are the future and I concurred that BR will probably be the storage medium for the next gen and that it will be much better once they up the read speed.
Has Santa told you you're not getting any pressies this year voodoo? You're in a foul mood today.
Tea's are on the way. I went to this really poncey tea shop in Camden the other day. I had half Earl Grey/half lapsang - lovely stuff!
Doubt it as this is the usual mood Voodoo and Mark get into with these articles.
Although it is common knowledge that the 360 is easier to program for it's the first time that a company like SE have said so. Considering they used to be Sony's bedfellows.
I have a few people where I work that regret getting a PS3, only for one reason though and they say that is the games or lack of for them. Although when I ask if they have played resistance or Drakes they say no so I tell them they are missing on 2 fantastic titles already (yes there are lots more than that I know).
Both are good machines it's just that Sony are dropping the ball every turn they get. Sony will need to drop the price (regardless of the PS3's extra features) and thats all there is to it in my opinion.
As long as everyone is happy with the machine/s they own then its all good. No need to start attacking rival machines as you dont like the headline/stories CVG use eh!
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Resistance was an original title, with no real hype, and it's sequel is supposed to be a major title, but average Joe has barely heard of it. Uncharted wasn't exactly pushed into the public consciousness, despite being possibly the strongest SCE title yet. I doubt the average punter really knows much about KZ2 either! It's only reasonably hardcore PS3 followers that are getting really interested in these titles. The public pretty much knows GT5, MGS, Final Fantasy, with LBP being the only game Sony have really pushed and gotten mass media attention for.
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
The cell is actually very powerful however it was not designed for gaming. Throw encoding at it and it flies!
cell is better than you think,the mosaic shows what's done on cell.
I did actually say it was powerful however it does not change the fact that it was not primarily designed for gaming.
It was designed to do anything,but the spe are as close as you can get to a GPU without being on,The Ps3 originally was to hve two cells and no GPU,but the cost of that and xdr were far too high. should be fine next time around though.
I think there's one thing you're all forgetting, and that's that Chuck Norris sucks.
Fin.
jesus your taking a risk saying that. beware the doorbell going tonight just incase your met by a bushy beard with a fist where the chin should be, and don't send the wife to answer it either you've seen what happens to the woman in ricflairs pic
Well it does affect the gamers just like it did for the saturn as it means less games are likely to be developed for it than if it were easier to program for. If it was market leader then this may offset some of this but it is in third place. 360 is easier to develop for and also has a greater market share and a higher attach rate so developers are more likely to bring their games out for 360 than PS3.
I agree. However, thus far, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. For every Left 4 Dead or Gears of War, there's an Uncharted or LittleBigPlanet, and in between that there are multi format games coming to both. Basically, yes, the complex architecture of the PS3 *could* put devs off from making games for it, but so far, it hasn't - and I've seen nothing to suggest that this will change.
What about Valve and that's just off the top of my head?
I mentioned Left 4 Dead (by Valve). And like I said there, for every one of those, we have Naughty Dog or Media Molecules who only seem to be producing games for the PS3. Swings and roundabouts and all that.
Yes but Valve will not develop for the PS3 solely because of it's architecture - Naughty Dog and Media Molecule are funded by Sony to produce games. So that's a key difference.
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Resistance was an original title, with no real hype, and it's sequel is supposed to be a major title, but average Joe has barely heard of it. Uncharted wasn't exactly pushed into the public consciousness, despite being possibly the strongest SCE title yet. I doubt the average punter really knows much about KZ2 either! It's only reasonably hardcore PS3 followers that are getting really interested in these titles. The public pretty much knows GT5, MGS, Final Fantasy, with LBP being the only game Sony have really pushed and gotten mass media attention for.
If true then that's a bit sad really, seeing as how I have not owned any of Sony's gaming platforms and yet I am aware of all three titles that you mentioned. Normally I would bear Sony no ill will but they are responsible for the rootkit that is SecuROM and that is something I simply won't forgive when it comes to deciding whether I spend any money on Sony products or not. Their vile crap is playing its part in attacking the PC gaming scene I have a long history with.
i dunno camnden is a bit of a mecca of cheap eats. For London anyway.
Perhaps in the market at closing time, everywhere else is most certainly not! Though they do an amazing eggs benedict in The Diner on Jamestown Road, I love that schizzle.
Camden's too close to Primrose Hill for too many cheap eats and I generally avoid it, despite living ten minutes away! There are loads of good cheap places to eat in London, you just have to know where they are. Maybe 'loads' is a bit OTT.
If you're ever up in Archway, try the Archgate opposite the tube for inexpensive, decent portioned turkish/med. Lovely stuff!
Now this HAS gone off topic.
It certainly has, try Limani in Primrose Hill, nice little greek place, mildy pricey but tasty food! Anyway, I'm off home.
I know it, it's great food. I work in high end property, mainly around north London (which was great a year or so ago but now doesn't seem such a smart choice!), so used to go there quite often with clients.
As with most things Primrose Hill, it is slightly up it's own bottom. Or maybe that's just some of the clientele!
I don't like Sony, this is no secret. But not liking Sony doesn't automatically make me a fanboy of Nintendo or Microsoft or whoever you think I'm a fanboy of.
This is the camp I'm in, and something I've been saying for a while. Sadly, some people just don't seem to get it.
Oh how the worm has turned. When something like this used to come out many were not as agreeable saying crap like "It's because the Cell is SOOO powerful" but now all you say is "old news". When the Cell shows us it's "SOOO" powerful then I'll believe it.
The cell is actually very powerful however it was not designed for gaming. Throw encoding at it and it flies!
cell is better than you think,the mosaic shows what's done on cell.
I did actually say it was powerful however it does not change the fact that it was not primarily designed for gaming.
It was designed to do anything,but the spe are as close as you can get to a GPU without being on,The Ps3 originally was to hve two cells and no GPU,but the cost of that and xdr were far too high. should be fine next time around though.
A major part of it's design was to do media encoding. Sequential processing is not good for either a games cpu or gpu. Toshiba have it in one of their latest TVs to do funky things. This is why it was designed. Sony too plan to use it for their new tvs, bluray players etc.
Compare this to the Chips in the 360 and Wii which were optimised specifically to do games. Add this to the restrictions sony put on the memory usage compared to the unrestricted memory use on the 360 and you have a machine which costs more to develop for.
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Resistance was an original title, with no real hype, and it's sequel is supposed to be a major title, but average Joe has barely heard of it. Uncharted wasn't exactly pushed into the public consciousness, despite being possibly the strongest SCE title yet. I doubt the average punter really knows much about KZ2 either! It's only reasonably hardcore PS3 followers that are getting really interested in these titles. The public pretty much knows GT5, MGS, Final Fantasy, with LBP being the only game Sony have really pushed and gotten mass media attention for.
If true then that's a bit sad really, seeing as how I have not owned any of Sony's gaming platforms and yet I am aware of all three titles that you mentioned. Normally I would bear Sony no ill will but they are responsible for the rootkit that is SecuROM and that is something I simply won't forgive when it comes to deciding whether I spend any money on Sony products or not. Their vile crap is playing its part in attacking the PC gaming scene I have a long history with.
Plus shutting down the best gaming shop on the net.
Plus partly responsible for the evil BD+ which resides in every bluray player.
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Funny that because some people in these forums have been very critical of Sony over hyping games.
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Funny that because some people in these forums have been very critical of Sony over hyping games.
Overhyping = bad Some advertising = good
What happened with Sony and their adverts? They used to advertise all the time, now they are practically gone.
That's another area where Sony have struggled a bit. They've not been good enough at hyping and creating interest in the new original games they've been funding, which are the backbone of their exclusive catalogue.
Funny that because some people in these forums have been very critical of Sony over hyping games.
I see what you mean in terms of this website, but you couldn't move for PS1 and PS2 all over the mainstream media. You can't just issue press releases or speak to the gaming press and expect too much to trickle through to the mainstream. I have a lot of friends who play games, but only one or two who read CVG, IGN etc, even on a semi-regular basis. My friend's 360 just RRoD'd and he didn't even know he had a three warranty and he's one who reads gaming sites every now and then!
They just don't advertise the PS3 enough apart from LBP, and the adverts don't do it justice going by the reviews. Oh, I did see a huge Motostorm poster on the tube.
If I was watching TV from an uninformed gaming standpoint, I would think the majority of the multiplatform games are 360 games as MS must've paid for the "available on xbox 360" thing that's at the end of nearly all multi platform gaming adverts. Then if they look at the price differences, they will go with the 360.
Actually considering the lack of advertising, they've done very well to sell as many in the UK!!
BD+ is the main reason i won't be buying a blu ray player, looks like i'm downloading stuff from now on.
Why would you buy a Blu-ray player if you already own a PS3?
You may think that the PS3 is more powerful than god, but it still (as far as I know) can't subdivide itself into multiple Bluray players for different rooms...
I can't believe I'm actually gonna get involved in another mud slinging contest
And can I just add that, for me at least, the best developers work on the PS3. If the PS3 is a dog to program for, then my total respect goes out to Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Konami and Insomniac - amongst a few others. Well done guys - you are officially the best coders in the gaming world! Only the talentless folk, living on past glories now praise the 360 as they are not good enough to code for the PS3. Simple as that.
hear hear!!!!!!
Since when have Naughty Dog been considered the empitome of game design? I'm not saying they're not any good, but calling them 'the best'.. Is...
I think voodoo might work for PSW!
If that was true you would have been banned for trolling.
I'd say this is technically an Xbox 360 related article. Therefore, you're the one trolling.
So true! Same goes for Voodoo.
I love the way you actually think you're not a fanboy...
Hilariously hypocritical comment is hilariously hypocritical.
Where does it state thet PS3 is the lead console?
Come on man I thought you knew everything
PSST: Nice one, with that remark, he won't even notice you didn't answer the question
You must tell me the secret of how you manage to type whilst wearing a straitjacket!
Awwww little muppet... resorts to the insults when he can't handle a grown up conversation... awwww
Hilariously hypocritical comment is hilariously hypocritical... Again... (See quote above, and your signature.)
(PS: I'm not picking on you, I just find some of your statements ironic/contradictory/hilarious)
I can't believe I'm actually gonna get involved in another mud slinging contest
And can I just add that, for me at least, the best developers work on the PS3. If the PS3 is a dog to program for, then my total respect goes out to Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, Konami and Insomniac - amongst a few others. Well done guys - you are officially the best coders in the gaming world! Only the talentless folk, living on past glories now praise the 360 as they are not good enough to code for the PS3. Simple as that.
hear hear!!!!!!
Since when have Naughty Dog been considered the empitome of game design? I'm not saying they're not any good, but calling them 'the best'.. Is...
I think voodoo might work for PSW!
If that was true you would have been banned for trolling.
I'd say this is technically an Xbox 360 related article. Therefore, you're the one trolling.
So true! Same goes for Voodoo.
I love the way you actually think you're not a fanboy...
Hilariously hypocritical comment is hilariously hypocritical.
Where does it state thet PS3 is the lead console?
Come on man I thought you knew everything
PSST: Nice one, with that remark, he won't even notice you didn't answer the question
You must tell me the secret of how you manage to type whilst wearing a straitjacket!
Awwww little muppet... resorts to the insults when he can't handle a grown up conversation... awwww
Hilariously hypocritical comment is hilariously hypocritical... Again... (See quote above, and your signature.)
(PS: I'm not picking on you, I just find some of your statements ironic/contradictory/hilarious)
Maybe you should check Mark240473's comments as well, they usually make a good double act.
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