Nintendo platforms are dominating current-gen console sales in the UK, which have leapt to 22 million.
Over the past year home console sales have more than doubled to ten million units, with Wii making up almost half of that total. The console has now shifted 4.9 million units, up from two million in January 2008.
In comparison, Xbox 360 sales rose from 1.8 million to 3.2 million, while PS3's installed base was up from 0.9 million to 1.9 million.
That's according to ChartTrack data cited by retailer GAME (via MCV), which also says that sales of handheld systems have risen from eight million to 12 million units.
The DS installed base is now 8.8 million units, while PSP's is 3.2 million.
So that's just confirmed what we all assumed then, that Nintendo's currently wiping the floor with the competition.
I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan but I know the DS is a good handheld. It deserves the sales, and has some good games. I won't even get started on the Wii...
que back biting and sad excuses from the sony defence force and the MS brigade respectively.
GO NINTENDO!!!!!!
I'd like to say you're a complete dumbass. Really. Just as people attack Nintendo, you are here to wait for them and comment back. Hell, by even posting that in the first post you are just baiting people in. And that you attack the PS3. So you're no better than anyone who hates the Wii
The Wii can play games yeah. With limited online, crappy graphics and controls that often feel forced because the motion sensing isn't implemented properly, especially in 3rd party games. Every other game includes playing as you Mii. The PS3 plays games, it plays a ot of them. It just does other things too... The Wii has its first party games and the odd good 3rd party game but most of the other games are quite average.
Oh, and "que the idiotic reply sticking up for the casual console "...
but ones not a console... and neither is the other!
I see what you did there.....
Very Sad......
Well Done Nintendo, now when will you finally release the patch to enable playing games directly from SD card?
+1. As far as I know, this has already been worked out so I don't know what the delay is. Solving one of the biggest problems with the Wii ASAP would have been high on the list of priorities for Ninty I would have thought.
The next few months look great for games on the Wii as well so after the relative poverty of last year it should only go from strength to strength.
By making a statement that The Wii has crappy graphics doesn't exactly help your case there. As for forced controls its just as easy to say ps3 and Xbox 360 games have forced HD visuals on them just for the sake of it even though lots there game play is crap. I think it is trendy to bash Nintendo at the moment and I don't think its entirely new either. At the end of the day whether you like them or the Wii/DS they are here to stay and have been helping to pioneer the industry for years (as have MS and Sony in there own way) so lets just reap the benefits of all these companies pushing to make games better for us all!
the only sad thing is people who stick up for this sell-out toy/console hybrid.
because the graphics are so s**t, the productions costs are tiny which return maximum profits (with minimal effort) in a real sense.. sony and microsoft CANT compete. its not the same playing field and the rules arent even alike. if the ps3 and 360 are consoles, the wii is not.
nintendo were always kids consoles, but now they have really went to town in this incarnation.
its like trying to compare a ferrari and a vauxhall corsa... two very different things. ferrari cant compete in raw sales, like the humble corsa cant compete in raw power/handling. and yes, they are both cars. but ones a supercar... so the ps360 must be superconsoles or something if you claim the wii is a console.
By making a statement that The Wii has crappy graphics doesn't exactly help your case there. As for forced controls its just as easy to say ps3 and Xbox 360 games have forced HD visuals on them
A game with bad controls can wreck gameplay, it can just make gameplay uncomfortable. Some Wii games have great controls, some have awful controls, most have average controls really. Not good, not bad. A game with forced HD though doesn't affect the gameplay at all. It just makes graphics better.
And even I'll say the SIXAXIS on the PS3 has been used stupidly. But at least games have stopped with it now. Mostly, anyway.
because the graphics are so s**t, the productions costs are tiny which return maximum profits
Nintendo have always done that haven't they. I'm not complaining by saying this, they just have always turned a profit when selling the console. I think anyway. The Gamecube may not have sold well but it made Nintendo a profit.
Oh dear some very sad people on here today. (Nintendo make toys and games for kids it the dumbest statement you can make and shows you know F$*Ł all about videogames as a whole!) But if a company spends all its Time making HD graphics and doesn't work on the gameplay then it effects the experience as much as poor mortion controls.
I respect what Nintendo has done, they managed to beat the market while dealing with inferior software overall while managing to draw in the most unlikey crowd of gamers...our parents. Now they're working on that patent to solidify themselves as the "user friendly" system. Despite my praise for them however I still cannot go back to last-gen graphics and will continue to rock my 360 and my ps3.
By making a statement that The Wii has crappy graphics doesn't exactly help your case there. As for forced controls its just as easy to say ps3 and Xbox 360 games have forced HD visuals on them just for the sake of it even though lots there game play is crap. I think it is trendy to bash Nintendo at the moment and I don't think its entirely new either. At the end of the day whether you like them or the Wii/DS they are here to stay and have been helping to pioneer the industry for years (as have MS and Sony in there own way) so lets just reap the benefits of all these companies pushing to make games better for us all!
All 3 machines are good in their own way and all have their faults. The one thing that they are all doing well is the online downloadable games. The independents are truly embarassing the large develoment studios in originality and gameplay the console is the tool, it is the games that matter. Wii has a strong software lineup, however the last 12 months have not yielded as many AAA games as I would have liked, but then I have been dissapointed by all the consoles this year on the games front.
But if a company spends all its Time making HD graphics and doesn't work on the gameplay then it effects the experience as much as poor mortion controls.
That's just a weird comparison. Controls directly affect the gameplay. If a game has bad controls, the game really suffers. Look at Lair on the PS3 HD graphics for the PS3/360 are just the norm now, there has been loads of brilliant games out with HD graphics because I'm pretty sure the main drive behind making a game isn't "let's make a pretty game".
because the graphics are so s**t, the productions costs are tiny which return maximum profits
Nintendo have always done that haven't they. I'm not complaining by saying this, they just have always turned a profit when selling the console. I think anyway. The Gamecube may not have sold well but it made Nintendo a profit.
Plus ironically the GC suffered from it's cheap price point. It made it seem like an inferior machine when in reality it was far more powerful than the PS2 and was not far off the power of the XBOX. This time they have hit the price point perfectly.
Pfft, Nintendo's dominance of console sales is hardly news.
All I know is that the one in my house exists for the sole purpose of providing my wife with Wii Fit, while I'm enjoying the s**t out of my 360 and PC.
I respect what Nintendo has done, they managed to beat the market while dealing with inferior software overall while managing to draw in the most unlikey crowd of gamers...our parents. Now they're working on that patent to solidify themselves as the "user friendly" system. Despite my praise for them however I still cannot go back to last-gen graphics and will continue to rock my 360 and my ps3.
What true gamer values graphics over gameplay and fun?
What true gamer values graphics over gameplay and fun?
None, but I would contend - why can't we have both?
(not that the Wii isn't capable of nice visuals, just saying is all)
And, I hopem you're not suggesting that the 360 and PS3 aren't capable of providing "gameplay and fun". I've had hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of my lowly motion-control deficient 360, I wish I could say the same about the Wii.
I respect what Nintendo has done, they managed to beat the market while dealing with inferior software overall while managing to draw in the most unlikey crowd of gamers...our parents. Now they're working on that patent to solidify themselves as the "user friendly" system. Despite my praise for them however I still cannot go back to last-gen graphics and will continue to rock my 360 and my ps3.
What true gamer values graphics over gameplay and fun?
Who says graphics was the only decision? As already shown in this thread, "gameplay and fun" is quite subjective.
The PS3/360 doesn't just bring in better graphics, but larger games with massive environments, you can accomplish a lot with them. Look at Fallout 3, Fable 2 etc.
Obviously this isnt true. But that argument about 360 & PS3 games only having good graphics but crap gameplay because of it is just as old, pointless & untrue as any crap that gets said about the Wii.
Personaly I dont like the Wii, its for a different audience to me & thats fair enough. Who needs 3 consoles on the market that do exactly the same thing anyway?
So good luck to them as long as it doesnt effect MS & Sonys plans for the future so dramaticaly that they become copies of the Wii. If that happens I'll be putting away my pad (or remote) for good.
Just for a laugh what about the Bouncer. That was all about its Visuals (Square PR raved about amazing graphics.) and when it arrived the game play was none existent. All I'm saying is that The Wii isn't the only machine with some bad games. Each console has its fair share and its often caused when the developer focuses on one arrive of the machines capabilities I.E Amazing visuals or motion controls etc.
But if a company spends all its Time making HD graphics and doesn't work on the gameplay then it effects the experience as much as poor mortion controls.
That's just a weird comparison. Controls directly affect the gameplay. If a game has bad controls, the game really suffers. Look at Lair on the PS3 HD graphics for the PS3/360 are just the norm now, there has been loads of brilliant games out with HD graphics because I'm pretty sure the main drive behind making a game isn't "let's make a pretty game".
I have no doubt that some developers choose to make some games for the PS3 or Xbox because they can hide the same game behind new, flashy graphics and say it's 'next gen.' Graphics are undoubtedly important but as games like Braid, LBP, World of Goo etc... show, they don't need to be awe-inspiring to make a great game. I personally prefer the look of games like LBP or Braid to something like Resistance or GOW but thats just personal taste.
I completely agree with you about the controls on the Wii, but this is due to unimaginative developers rather than any problem inherent with the Wii itself. The sooner that they realise that flailing your arms around like a dick isn't fun the better. But I suppose thats just the kind of 'wackiness' that is helping the Wii sell bucketloads.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So you do not play the PS3/360 games? I know when ever I am participating in a computer game I am playing it not controlling it. Also you clearly have not played wii if you think that the motion controls involve flapping about. There is certainly no flapping in World of Goo.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So, what you're saying is, you don't play videogames on your 360/PS3? Seeing as it requires a form of physical control, just like the Wii does.
What do you do then?
Come off it mate, you've messed up here, the least you could do is admit it.
Not to mention the FACT that certain games allow 'standard' pad controls anyway - Mario Kart being one. Does this mean it ceases to be a toy for the duration of the playing?
Face it, if the Wii is a toy, so is the 360 and PS3.
I never claimed bad controls were Nintendo's fault-1st party games tend to have decent controls. But the console should obviously be judged by all games out, not just the 1st part games. I think it is good that Nintendo let you play some games with the GC controller but that could be used in more 3rd party games, or better yet, bring in a new controller so it doesn't feel like a step back into last generation.
And LBP had brilliant graphics. Yeah, it was a side scrolling game so you didn't get the same feel when looking at the screen as you do with some game,s but the graphics were great anyway. As was the gameplay of course
Some games will have brilliant graphics but average gameplay (I don't want to mention Lair again but it really is the perfect example here...). But surely the game would have been bad regardless of the visuals. A bad game is a bad game, regardless.
but this is due to unimaginative developers rather than any problem inherent with the Wii itself.
Actualy its been said a few times that teh remote isnt responsive or acurate enough. Thats why the motioplus is being made. Devs have been complaining to Ninty since release about that. Obviously Ninty agree or they wouldnt release the motionplus.
It works fine as a pointer or shaking it like in Galaxy to attack. But for more precise control over swings & swipes etc. its nowhere near good enough.
I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan but I know the DS is a good handheld. It deserves the sales, and has some good games. I won't even get started on the Wii...
que back biting and sad excuses from the sony defence force and the MS brigade respectively.
GO NINTENDO!!!!!!
I'd like to say you're a complete dumbass. Really. Just as people attack Nintendo, you are here to wait for them and comment back. Hell, by even posting that in the first post you are just baiting people in. And that you attack the PS3. So you're no better than anyone who hates the Wii
The Wii can play games yeah. With limited online, crappy graphics and controls that often feel forced because the motion sensing isn't implemented properly, especially in 3rd party games. Every other game includes playing as you Mii. The PS3 plays games, it plays a ot of them. It just does other things too... The Wii has its first party games and the odd good 3rd party game but most of the other games are quite average.
Oh, and "que the idiotic reply sticking up for the casual console "...
See what I did there?
Yep. You ended up doing exactly what you were berating WHERESMYMONKEY for. Well done.
What true gamer values graphics over gameplay and fun?
None, but I would contend - why can't we have both?
(not that the Wii isn't capable of nice visuals, just saying is all)
And, I hopem you're not suggesting that the 360 and PS3 aren't capable of providing "gameplay and fun". I've had hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of my lowly motion-control deficient 360, I wish I could say the same about the Wii.
I am certainly not suggesting anything of the kind, I am fully enjoying Mirrors Edge at the moment. However it is quite rare for anything dramatically innovative to appear on the PS3 or 360, this does not mean it does not happen though. Wii offers the potential for developers to offer truly original games and this is what I love about it. Yes there are going to be tons of rubbish games released for it as it is so successful but when developers do grasp the controls properly then we could see a lot of amazing games.
I agree that having both nice visuals and great gameplay is the ideal, but the vast majority of games on 360 and PS3 hide average or poor gameplay behind nice graphics, however the wii can't offer this layer of protection and so the poor games are exposed for exactly what they are. The wii is also a lot more powerful than many Sony and MS fanboys like to think although this is not helped by poor developers rushing out poor games.
I would however take a game with great gameplay and stick men for graphics over amazing visuals and poor gameplay any day.
Actualy its been said a few times that teh remote isnt responsive or acurate enough. Thats why the motioplus is being made. Devs have been complaining to Ninty since release about that. Obviously Ninty agree or they wouldnt release the motionplus.
It works fine as a pointer or shaking it like in Galaxy to attack. But for more precise control over swings & swipes etc. its nowhere near good enough.
True, I was thinking more of those games where motion control is added where it is completely unnecessary, should have made the point clearer.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So, what you're saying is, you don't play videogames on your 360/PS3? Seeing as it requires a form of physical control, just like the Wii does.
What do you do then?
Come off it mate, you've messed up here, the least you could do is admit it.
cant believe you even came back to that.
with ps3 the real fun and engagement is the game itself - if its a bad game, you wont have fun.
but with the wii, a bad game can be fun through the motion control antics. in short: gimmick.
Erm that makes not sense at all! If you are having fun then it is a good game. After all that is why we play games in the first place. It does not matter how that fun comes about as long as it it there. Now that fun may come from being able to walk around a giant free roaming environment being able to do what you like. It may come from moving blocky shapes around a screen in order to build a wall or it may come from using a controller like a tennis raquet. If all of these are fun then they are all good games.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with (for the purpose of fun) is a TOY!
Using your definition above then the "supercars" analogy you used earlier places said Ferrari in the same camp in many people's eyes I suspect considering that: a) It is so expensive that few people can afford it and the ones who do are probably far more interested in the "bling" factor and the occassional tire burning acceleration (i.e. "joy riding" which is a form of play which requires "toys", and b)then there's the sports racing scene which fits nicely too. What do the professional drivers do? They "play about with" the car(s).
Face it, grasshopper: You've been called on a poor choice of words and I'm not the only who has noticed. It's not the end of the world; so you slipped up and it may sting your pride a bit but instead of letting it slide out of collective memory it's now been brought to square center of attention repeatedly. An awful lot of items can fit the lable "toy" in one capacity or another; sometimes that's only part of an item's pedigree. I rest my case.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So, what you're saying is, you don't play videogames on your 360/PS3? Seeing as it requires a form of physical control, just like the Wii does.
What do you do then?
Come off it mate, you've messed up here, the least you could do is admit it.
Not to mention the FACT that certain games allow 'standard' pad controls anyway - Mario Kart being one. Does this mean it ceases to be a toy for the duration of the playing?
Face it, if the Wii is a toy, so is the 360 and PS3.
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So, what you're saying is, you don't play videogames on your 360/PS3? Seeing as it requires a form of physical control, just like the Wii does.
What do you do then?
Come off it mate, you've messed up here, the least you could do is admit it.
cant believe you even came back to that.
with ps3 the real fun and engagement is the game itself - if its a bad game, you wont have fun.
but with the wii, a bad game can be fun through the motion control antics. in short: gimmick.
Erm that makes not sense at all! If you are having fun then it is a good game. After all that is why we play games in the first place. It does not matter how that fun comes about as long as it it there. Now that fun may come from being able to walk around a giant free roaming environment being able to do what you like. It may come from moving blocky shapes around a screen in order to build a wall or it may come from using a controller like a tennis raquet. If all of these are fun then they are all good games.
you said it mate.. you can have fun in many ways. toys are one way, consoles are another.
because the motion controls are a novelty doesnt make the actual game good. proof is that the novelty will wear off and the game becomes bad/boring.. or could it be that the game was no good in the first place?!
the bowling mini-game is GTA4 is guff. pretty sure the wii bowling mini-game will fare better in the beginning. even more sure that it'll quickly become toss once the novelty goes.
They "play about with" the car(s). I rest my case.
People drive cars. Plus the word play can mean a lot of things, you're taking a very wide approach with the word.
I don't really think the Wii, PS3 or 360 is a toy. But if one is, all are.
Indeed I was. It serves to illustrate just how many things can be viewed as a "toy". Adult toys (no sexual innuendo intended,) generally tend to be more expensive, often more complex in development and production yet they give form to the expression of the same desire for elation and enjoyment that can be found in both children and adults though due to differences in where they are in life tastes will vary while all being enticed by the larger concept of fun where toys is one way of reaching that end destination. My PC is both a toy and more to me. An expensive one, true, yet still a toy as well as a hub of communications, etc.
I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan but I know the DS is a good handheld. It deserves the sales, and has some good games. I won't even get started on the Wii...
que back biting and sad excuses from the sony defence force and the MS brigade respectively.
GO NINTENDO!!!!!!
I'd like to say you're a complete dumbass. Really. Just as people attack Nintendo, you are here to wait for them and comment back. Hell, by even posting that in the first post you are just baiting people in. And that you attack the PS3. So you're no better than anyone who hates the Wii
The Wii can play games yeah. With limited online, crappy graphics and controls that often feel forced because the motion sensing isn't implemented properly, especially in 3rd party games. Every other game includes playing as you Mii. The PS3 plays games, it plays a ot of them. It just does other things too... The Wii has its first party games and the odd good 3rd party game but most of the other games are quite average.
Oh, and "que the idiotic reply sticking up for the casual console "...
See what I did there?
Who's the real idiot here. Because you are the one in the preverbial pit covered with leaves here.
Maybe i was baiting a little sure, I'm bored and debate, reasoned and intelligent or otherwise are always entertainment.
However if you had bothered reading all the posts properly you would have realised that my comments about the ps3 were a retort to the two imbeciles that piped in with the usual bs about the wii and that i didn't infact saying anything about the PS3 itself. I was just stating that Sony's original promotional campains didn't sell it as a games machine as such but more as a luxury product/media hub.
Wikipedias explanation of the word 'gimmick' (Yes. i know it's Wikpedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick
special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use
I don't think the Wii remote is a gimmick at all. I confidently predict that other companies will follow suit with some sort of motion control in the future. It is in it's relative infancy and I will be looking into how it gets developed in the future. I think it's rather exciting myself... But I never did grow up
f**k it, argue over technicalities all you want. whatever it is, the wii isnt a thoroughbred console; its less serious... does that make it a toy? who cares - its s**t!
sorry to say, but anything you physically play about with is a TOY!
How do you control your 360/PS3 if not physically?
You realise, even moving your fingers and thumbs between buttons is physical movement.
i said physically PLAY, not control. pressing buttons isnt the same as flapping about like a dickhead.
So, what you're saying is, you don't play videogames on your 360/PS3? Seeing as it requires a form of physical control, just like the Wii does.
What do you do then?
Come off it mate, you've messed up here, the least you could do is admit it.
cant believe you even came back to that.
with ps3 the real fun and engagement is the game itself - if its a bad game, you wont have fun.
but with the wii, a bad game can be fun through the motion control antics. in short: gimmick.
Erm that makes not sense at all! If you are having fun then it is a good game. After all that is why we play games in the first place. It does not matter how that fun comes about as long as it it there. Now that fun may come from being able to walk around a giant free roaming environment being able to do what you like. It may come from moving blocky shapes around a screen in order to build a wall or it may come from using a controller like a tennis raquet. If all of these are fun then they are all good games.
you said it mate.. you can have fun in many ways. toys are one way, consoles are another.
because the motion controls are a novelty doesnt make the actual game good. proof is that the novelty will wear off and the game becomes bad/boring.. or could it be that the game was no good in the first place?!
the bowling mini-game is GTA4 is guff. pretty sure the wii bowling mini-game will fare better in the beginning. even more sure that it'll quickly become toss once the novelty goes.
Well done, you have to twist words in an attempt to prove you are correct. In fact as far as I know all three consoles are classified as a toy with regards to import taxes.
When did you start gaming, last year?
Games are for gamers. Consoles wars are for fanboys.
They "play about with" the car(s). I rest my case.
People drive cars. Plus the word play can mean a lot of things, you're taking a very wide approach with the word.
I don't really think the Wii, PS3 or 360 is a toy. But if one is, all are.
Indeed I was. It serves to illustrate just how many things can be viewed as a "toy". Adult toys (no sexual innuendo intended,) generally tend to be more expensive, often more complex in development and production yet they give form to the expression of the same desire for elation and enjoyment that can be found in both children and adults though due to differences in where they are in life tastes will vary while all being enticed by the larger concept of fun where toys is one way of reaching that end destination. My PC is both a toy and more to me. An expensive one, true, yet still a toy as well as a hub of communications, etc.
Ok, get your point now. The words toy and play have large meanings. I would class adult toys as gadgets generally though. Though I see your point, they could easily be classed as toys.
However if you had bothered reading all the posts properly you would have realised that my comments about the ps3 were a retort to the two imbeciles that piped in with the usual bs about the wii and that i didn't infact saying anything about the PS3 itself.
And yet your first post was the first post. So it was just baiting the people you want to argue with before they said anything.
f**k it, argue over technicalities all you want. whatever it is, the wii isnt a thoroughbred console; its less serious... does that make it a toy? who cares - its s**t!
How can I not be swayed by that eloquent, thought provoking and cogent counter-argument?
f**k it, argue over technicalities all you want. whatever it is, the wii isnt a thoroughbred console; its less serious... does that make it a toy? who cares - its s**t!
Oh come on now you really are just being retarded.
the Wii is made by NINTENDO. the company that has been instrumental in changing and evolving gaming since the 1980s.
Its as thoughbred as they come. It's main function is to play games. it was going to play DVDs but they stripped that to focus on it being a gmaes machine.
It has a controller built to make it easy to control, games. no other real function but as a new way to game.
Your beloved PS3 even has the after taste of nintendo slapped on it. The six axis was a reaction to the wiimote. The shape of the PS pad is the same as a SNES pad.
Thoughbred by its mere definition means it has a long history, the company with the longest history in the business that is still makeing machines is nintendo.
Hell your beloved Sony probably wouldn't even be making games machines if it wasn't for them.
@ almanac. Touche.
But i already admitted i was goading them a lil. not that i really needed to. My 1st post was more a huzzah to my favourite games company and a prediction of things to come.
Games are for gamers. Consoles wars are for fanboys.
*wild applause*
I'm quoting you on that.
Thank you very much. I know what it must have been like to be churchill now . He was driven for his dislike of nazis attacking Britain. I am driven by my dislike of Fanboys attacking all our game forums. You can see the link quite clearly
Games are for gamers. Consoles wars are for fanboys.
*wild applause*
I'm quoting you on that.
Thank you very much. I know what it must have been like to be churchill now . He was driven for his dislike of nazis attacking Britain. I am driven by my dislike of Fanboys attacking all our game forums. You can see the link quite clearly
please tell me you are naked as you typed that. possibly asleep or whiskey fueled too.
Games are for gamers. Consoles wars are for fanboys.
*wild applause*
I'm quoting you on that.
Thank you very much. I know what it must have been like to be churchill now . He was driven for his dislike of nazis attacking Britain. I am driven by my dislike of Fanboys attacking all our game forums. You can see the link quite clearly
please tell me you are naked as you typed that. possibly asleep or whiskey fueled too.
Not sure what all this crap about Wii not being a propeer console. It plays games, maybe with a different control input but its plays games and does what console generally do. PS3 and 360 play games but half of there content is based on movies and music and other media based things. So does that make them less of a console than the Wii?! I sorry but this is just sad fanboy ranting because you r not happy that nintendo is leading the sales chart. Ultimatly the thing is does it really hurt you that much, does it stop you enjoying your console of choice....?!
On the subject of gamecubes failure. The two things that killed it were being harder to pirate games for due to the size of the discs, and the lack of third party games. The ps2 sold shed loads (from my experience of working in schools anyway) because parents could pick one up chipped for not much more than retail and go buy all the latest games at the car boot. Piracy shifted units in the last gen. Dont get me wrong, the ps2 still shifted loads of genuine games, but it sold so many hardware units because of piracy. I still love my gamecube btw. Metroid prime was the best game of the last gen for me by a country mile.
nintendo fans should be playing a next gen zelda, in glorious lush HD. a match made in heaven.
instead what do we have? (wont even answer that!!!)
So high def capability makes a console? So the SNES, Megadrive etc weren't consoles?
Or is it the control pad? If it doesn't use a 'typical' control pad, then it's not a console? Then the Atari 2600 wasn't a console, as that used a joystick.
Face it, a games console is (and I quote) "an interactive entertainment computer or electronic device that produces a video display signal which can be used with a display device (a television, monitor, etc.) to display a video game." The Wii meets this criteria, so what are you blathering on about?
GH is just digging a bigger hole everytime he posts lol. Admits he is a sony fanboy and reckons games are only any good if they have glorious visuals and HD, even if they play like crap. Hmmm...
nintendo fans should be playing a next gen zelda, in glorious lush HD. a match made in heaven.
instead what do we have?
Mario Galaxy, World of Goo, Zack and Wiki, Mario Kart, Lost Winds, Twilight Princess, RE4+..... etc etc.
HD makes the games more expensive to make and therefore reduces the chance of publishers sanctioning the development of risky games. On top of that HD tvs are still in the minority in peoples living rooms (although that will obviously change over time). Saying that Galaxy looks amazing on my HD tv and so does metroid prime corruption. My 360 games do generally look more polished in their HD but that does not mean all the wii games look rubbish.
Saying that I would prefer more 2D games to appear on wii rather than 3D as I still think 2D is better for many game types due to the accuracy it offers.
It could be improved (but then so could all three current gen consoles) but it certainly is no sellout.
nintendo fans should be playing a next gen zelda, in glorious lush HD. a match made in heaven.
instead what do we have? (wont even answer that!!!)
Ah but i will. The best Zelda since Ocarina of Time in my opinion. A game that makes you really feel like you're kicking gannons ass.
An incredibly beautiful and well imagined world with a compelling story and good characters on the whole.
In short another masterpiece from the godfather of gaming.
If anyone sold out it was Sony. they spent alot of time and money to make sure that thier new disc format won. at the cost of thier consumers having to pay for an extra they didn't ask for or need, integrated into a machine that was never designed primarily to play games.
Not saying that the PS3 doesn't have some great games and blu ray is necessary a bad thing. I'd just prefer it if you'd get your facts a lil straighter and remeber whos corner you're fighting before making mad accusations.
I'm getting fed up with Sony fanboys (and it does only seem to be Sony ones, not MS) trying to have a pop at the Wii, using two reasons, no good games and poor graphics.
On the first point, even though we're probably not even half way through it's lifetime, we've had Zelda, Galaxy, SSBB, Zack & Wiki, de Blob, Mario Kart (although it wasn't as good as it could have been, it was still mighty fine) RE4, and all that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I've missed a few, and this doesn't even count those on WiiWare.
And when it comes to graphics, you just have to look at Galaxy or SSBB to see that the Wii is capable of awesome graphics. It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd parties are not using it to it;s full capabilities.
Another line that keeps on being trotted out is that there are loads of poor games. Ignoring the fact that there are poor games on every console, that is just what happens with the most popular consoles. Next time you go to your local game shop, look at how much shovelware is available on the PS2.
so a HD zelda wouldnt be better? it could be ten times more detailed and intricate. obviously no good if the gameplay wasnt there. but it would be. anyone who says graphics dont add anything is an idiot. i was more engrossed in ocarina than the blocky 2D NES efforts. which is down to the better graphics and sound. i.e. more believable. think of a zelda using the full power of the ps3 or 360. it'd blow this wii version AWAY!!
yep - i love sony fanboys trying to defend their beloved console. I think either Microsoft or Nintendo will buy out Sony in the next few months (going buy their performance on the share market) and get rid of the Playstation brand for good since it's not a dead house - lol
yep - i love sony fanboys trying to defend their beloved console. I think either Microsoft or Nintendo will buy out Sony in the next few months (going buy their performance on the share market) and get rid of the Playstation brand for good since it's not a dead house - lol
idiot. for one who is defending the ps3?! were talking about nintendo here. and its more out of frustration that one of the best games companies has its games stunted due to lack of power and s**te controls.
i think the wii is complete and utter toss. doesnt mean i dislike nintendo. at all.
i own a ps3 because its the best console out just now. not because i love sony. the games will follow.
nintendo fans should be playing a next gen zelda, in glorious lush HD. a match made in heaven.
instead what do we have? (wont even answer that!!!)
Ah but i will. The best Zelda since Ocarina of Time in my opinion. A game that makes you really feel like you're kicking gannons ass.
An incredibly beautiful and well imagined world with a compelling story and good characters on the whole.
In short another masterpiece...
I will agree with you here. OoT shows HD visuals aren't needed to make a great game. It's one of my favourite ever games and I only played it a few years back. However, OoT pushed the boundaries back then, a fully 3D world with some good graphics. The emotion of the characters and the music made the game what it is, because without that it wouldn't have been quite as good (Twilight Princess...) but the 3D definitely helped. Now imagine a Zelda game that pushed the boundaries this generation. Whilst I think a Zelda game could be made good on the Wii, the thought of a HD Zelda with a truly real world really makes me smile. It would be amazing. The graphics wouldn't necessarily make it, but the vast environment. You would have that feeling that the game was epic, something that didn't quite hit me with Twilight Princess. However, in Nintendo can deliver a brilliant Zelda game next (I somehow doubt it with the casual market) I'll be here saying it is amazing.
Not wanting to argue now but I wouldn't say Sony sold out. They took an extremely big risk, and we're yet to see if it has paid off (the PS3 hasn't been successful, but by no means has it been a failure) and we won't until later in the consoles life cycle, with a smaller price and a few more games. The PS3 has a lot of problems (the worst one for me is the installs which drive me insane) but I wouldn't class them as selling out because they've tried to deliver a machine like the PS2, but with more modern technology. The PS2 had the DVD in it, and Sony tried to replicate the same thing with Blu Ray.
or would it. a HD Zelda would be all well and good but my favourite zelda still is a link to the past on the SNES.
Flashy graphics don't compensate for good story telling and solid gameplay.
What i'd prefer would be both. A HD zelda with motion plus controls.
I think that its not that far off the horizon my ol mucker. Considering Galaxy and Brawl have graphics that are comparible to most early 360 games at least. then a Zelda that was completely developed for the wii will look and play like a dream.
i love how sad sony fanboys lives must be. As Will Wright (from SimCity fame) said - the wii is truely the next gen console (ie - reason for the record sales) and the PS3 and X360 are just HD versions of their previous selfs. Sony must love those fanboys out their who belives everything that comes out of their marketing dept ase- lol!!!!!
so a HD zelda wouldnt be better? it could be ten times more detailed and intricate. obviously no good if the gameplay wasnt there. but it would be. anyone who says graphics dont add anything is an idiot. i was more engrossed in ocarina than the blocky 2D NES efforts. which is down to the better graphics and sound. i.e. more believable. think of a zelda using the full power of the ps3 or 360. it'd blow this wii version AWAY!!
It depends on if you can generate the atmosphere etc with the graphics that you have at your disposal. I actually find that the super real graphics can easily be devoid of character and end up looking too clinical. In fact Twilight Princess was full of great atmosphere and emotion and possibly would not benefit much from being in HD. It can be very easy for artists to go in a different direction due to the restraints or lack of restraints on a system. Many of our most recognisable characters have developed as they have due to the artists being forced down a path by the retrictions of a particular machine. Pacman and Mario are great examples of this. If the Wii was HD it is quite possible that Twilight Princess could have lost much of its charm. However it is also possible it would have been improved too. But make a sweeping statement that a game would definately be better if it was in HD just shows a lack of understanding of gaming.
Whilst I think a Zelda game could be made good on the Wii, the thought of a HD Zelda with a truly real world really makes me smile. It would be amazing. The graphics wouldn't necessarily make it, but the vast environment.
exactly what im saying. you dont NEED good graphics for a good game. but when a great game comes together with amazing graphics then you have something special. doesnt mean the versions beforehand were s**t.
That comment mauses me coming from someone who keeps posting anti-Sony crap that doesn't contribute to the argument in the slightest. Us Sony fanboys must be jealous of your life.
Flashy graphics don't compensate for good story telling and solid gameplay.
No they don't, you're right. One of my favourite games, The Secret of Monkey Island has poor graphics for now, and yet the storytelling, the humour and the puzzles just make you forget. When you get into a good game, you can forget about the graphics as it draws you in. However, IMO at least putting Zelda into 3D changed the gameplay purely because the 2D/3D difference is so huge. Since then there has not been that much change. The story is never that different for a start. Graphics have nothing to do with this of course, but Zelda could do with some change. If everything else could be kept, the gameplay, the story-the graphics could just top it off. Lets hope the next game really pushes the Wii because of this. To be honest though I'm veering a little off into why Zelda is getting a little stale...
so a HD zelda wouldnt be better? it could be ten times more detailed and intricate. obviously no good if the gameplay wasnt there. but it would be. anyone who says graphics dont add anything is an idiot. i was more engrossed in ocarina than the blocky 2D NES efforts. which is down to the better graphics and sound. i.e. more believable. think of a zelda using the full power of the ps3 or 360. it'd blow this wii version AWAY!!
It depends on if you can generate the atmosphere etc with the graphics that you have at your disposal. I actually find that the super real graphics can easily be devoid of character and end up looking too clinical. In fact Twilight Princess was full of great atmosphere and emotion and possibly would not benefit much from being in HD. It can be very easy for artists to go in a different direction due to the restraints or lack of on a system. Many of our most recognisable characters have developed as they have due to the artists being forced down a path by the retrictions of a particular machine. Pacman and Mario are great examples of this. If the Wii was HD is is quite possible that Twilight Princess could have lost much of ist charm. However it is also possible it would have been improved too. But make a sweeping statement that a game would definately be better if it was in HD just shows a lack of understanding of gaming.
im obviously not saying just an HD version would be better. its the increased power and everything that comes with it, as you say, definately atmosphere etc. and i do think too much resolution can make a game feel stale/fake/too crisp.
for instance sitting in the grass in CoD4 waiting with a sniper rifle just feels right. bags of atmosphere, smoke flying around, bangs and gunfire coming from different angles, people screaming etc. a lot of that isnt even graphics. its the power that makes it all come together though (sound, effects, tricks) and CoD4 wasnt even HD technically.
so a HD zelda wouldnt be better? it could be ten times more detailed and intricate. obviously no good if the gameplay wasnt there. but it would be. anyone who says graphics dont add anything is an idiot. i was more engrossed in ocarina than the blocky 2D NES efforts. which is down to the better graphics and sound. i.e. more believable. think of a zelda using the full power of the ps3 or 360. it'd blow this wii version AWAY!!
It depends on if you can generate the atmosphere etc with the graphics that you have at your disposal. I actually find that the super real graphics can easily be devoid of character and end up looking too clinical.
Have you ever played Oblivion? Regardless of what you think about the gameplay, stepping out into the world for the first time was immense. Although a lot of HD games have realistic graphics, you could move away from realism and go for a new look, but in HD. I'd love a cel-shaded Hyrule, but darker, more atmospheric. Wind Waker was too bright, it burned my eyes Imagine though a dark cel-shaded effect in HD. Or not in HD actually...though I wouldn't complain at it.
However, IMO at least putting Zelda into 3D changed the gameplay purely because the 2D/3D difference is so huge. Since then there has not been that much change. The story is never that different for a start. Graphics have nothing to do with this of course, but Zelda could do with some change. If everything else could be kept, the gameplay, the story-the graphics could just top it off. Lets hope the next game really pushes the Wii because of this. To be honest though I'm veering a little off into why Zelda is getting a little stale...
I'm tempted to say if it ain't broke don't fix it. but you are right i thinik the problem is that OCcarina was so groundbreaking and acclaimed that you'd be scared to mess with a formula that worked so well.
they went a different direction with Wind Waker and that divided opinion and the whole zelda chronology interestingly enough. I loved wind waker but i know a lot didn't.
Could make an interesting reemergence game that shifts from realish zelda to cel shaded and back again. that would be epic. Like who framed roger rabbit, but with the zelda universe.
As far as i'm concerned, if Nintendo followed a similar stratagy with thier next console and brought one out with improved motion controls and graphics comparible or even slightly better than the 360/PS3 i think they would be on to a definate winner.
They could release it at a similar price point to the wii, (considering the 360 now sells at least breaking even on each machine) And deliver the best of both worlds.
If sony /MS continue down the same path i feel that they will just lose even more ground to Nintendo as graphically games don't really have anywhere else to go in my opinion anyway.
so a HD zelda wouldnt be better? it could be ten times more detailed and intricate. obviously no good if the gameplay wasnt there. but it would be. anyone who says graphics dont add anything is an idiot. i was more engrossed in ocarina than the blocky 2D NES efforts. which is down to the better graphics and sound. i.e. more believable. think of a zelda using the full power of the ps3 or 360. it'd blow this wii version AWAY!!
It depends on if you can generate the atmosphere etc with the graphics that you have at your disposal. I actually find that the super real graphics can easily be devoid of character and end up looking too clinical.
Have you ever played Oblivion? Regardless of what you think about the gameplay, stepping out into the world for the first time was immense. Although a [i]lot[/] of HD games have realistic graphics, you could move away from realism and go for a new look, but in HD. I'd love a cel-shaded Hyrule, but darker, more atmospheric. Wind Waker was too bright, it burned my eyes Imagine though a dark cel-shaded effect in HD. Or not in HD actually...though I wouldn't complain at it.
Yes and oblivion was a great game. However I am not saying that HD instantly removes atmosphere and character, I am just saying that it can easily end up this way. However there are many games which due to their graphical limitations gain character and atmosphere. I personally thought for instance that Silent Hill 1 was by far the best version and certainly the most scary, The sequels have not achieved that greatness despite having more polygons and higher res. Metal Gear Solid is the same, The PS1 Version was truly amazing and had atmosphere in bucketloads yet since then the series has improved dramatically in the visual department yet has never achieved the same greatness. Final Fantast 7 for instance had character in spades, much of it due to limitations with the PS1 hardware. Look at the final fantasy series now, it has lost a lot of its character and looks far too polished for my liking (i loved the charicature like player models in 7 and .
I am simply saying that the graphical limitations on the Wii do not stop games being great and the graphical power of the PS3 and 360 do not ensure that games are going to be brilliant. It is all up to the developers at the end of the day.
I am simply saying that the graphical limitations on the Wii do not stop games being great and the graphical power of the PS3 and 360 do not ensure that games are going to be brilliant. It is all up to the developers at the end of the day.
I'm with you. Completely. Go back and look at Silent Hill. Poor graphics? No doubt. Atmospheric and creepy as hell? Definitiely. The fact that the Wii has or does not have HD capabilities is completely irrelevant in terms of it's game quality.
And likewise, it's 'lack' of power is too. The Wii is considerably more powerful than the N64, and the 'generally regarded as the best Zelda (or game!) ever' OoT was on that. The additional power of the Wii could EASILY add to the OoT formula and then some.
Face it, Grasshopper slags off the Wii, and he slags off the 360. It's a thinly veiled attempt to big up the PS3 without directly doing it (for a change).
how does telling the truth (disliking the wii's controller and low rez graphics/hating the 360s subscription system, noise and reliabilty) equal "bigging up the ps3"?!
hmm MARTIN?!
if the 360 had free online, lower noise and better reliabilty then id have no problem with it. hell id even boot it up!
why would i want all that s**t, when i can play the same games hassle free? its logic. microsoft fault, not mine.
and the wii is just not what im into, nothing down to machine flaws.. i just wouldnt be seen dead tugging that remote about like i just caught a fish. its stupid and most wii owners say the controls for most games are average. its ok for the mini/family games, but i prefer "generic" games like FPS's. the fact most developers have SHUNNED the wii shows its shut off from the traditional gaming scene. the scene i follow.
its official open a dictionary look for excuse maker IT READS
sony fanboys and thats it
I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOO SONY FANS REPEAT I TOLD YOU SOOOO
WIIBOY PROVEN CORRECT AGAIN
OH JUST ADD SONY TO REPORT A 1.1 BILLION DOLLAR LOSS THIS YEAR
WAKE UP SONY FANS ITS YOU WHO'S A FANBOY IN THE DEROGATORY SENSE OF THE WORD
YOUR BELIEF STSYEM IS DERANGED
And your grasp of the English language is non-existent.
I still can't believe that you are accusing others of being fan-boys, for crying out loud look in a mirror.
Oh yes you were the only person who predicted that the Wii and DS were going to sell well in the UK. I don't think so, that's what is known as common knowledge.
Now back off to bed you go and don't come back until you are ready to answer all those questions I have asked that you are now avoiding.
how does telling the truth (disliking the wii's controller and low rez graphics/hating the 360s subscription system, noise and reliabilty) equal "bigging up the ps3"?!
hmm MARTIN?!
if the 360 had free online, lower noise and better reliabilty then id have no problem with it. hell id even boot it up!
why would i want all that s**t, when i can play the same games hassle free? its logic. microsoft fault, not mine.
and the wii is just not what im into, nothing down to machine flaws.. i just wouldnt be seen dead tugging that remote about like i just caught a fish. its stupid and most wii owners say the controls for most games are average. its ok for the mini/family games, but i prefer "generic" games like FPS's. the fact most developers have SHUNNED the wii shows its shut off from the traditional gaming scene. the scene i follow.
It is the way you go about your posts that does not help. Saying Wii is S**t is not an intelligent or reasoned way of commenting. Saying that it is not for you is fine as is criticising the sensitivity of the controls on some games (However some games have nailed it eg RE4+). I could say the PS3 online is utter rubbish, but that would be ignorant as although it is not as slick as the Live it is free and so you can not expect it to be as good. In that respect it is a decent service. Wii online is nowhere near as good as either of them but the games I have played on it have been lag free. The old bandwagon fanboy comments about how you look an idiot flapping the wiimote is ignorant and pretentious. Very few of the good games have you waving the wiimote around, it is generally used in a controlled manner to simulate an action. With regard to FPS games you will find if you have played Metroid Prime Corruption that the Wii controls are fantastic for FPS games as it gives you close to the precision of a mouse and the benefit of analog controls for moving around. It is just a shame that there are not more released on it.
As for traditional gaming scene, it depends on what you regard as traditional. If you mean PS1 onwards then you may be correct but in terms of gaming history the wii is closer to the ethos I have been used to since starting with Pong. Games used to be easy to control which enabled people with no previous experience to pick them up and play them. Games generally stayed this way until the PS1 when games suddenly started to get complicated (many completely unnecessarily so). Wii has taken gaming back to a more intuitive time when you forgot you did not have to concentrate on controlling the game and got on with playing it. It is also great for the disbled. If you only have the use of one hand or limited hand movement the Wii offers the ability to play on an even playing field with able bodied players and this can only be a good thing.
I never really thought of that but i guess it does.
I read an article a while back that said that hospitals were using the wii to help people that had injured thier hands and wrists to regain more control and use of them. Guess it could help for the disabled as well.
The ethos of the wii is one that the NES generation of gamers (mid 80s onwards) that i've spoken to totally agree with.
Gaming should be fun and easy. Its a social pastime that everyone should enjoy.
Although Sony upped the profile of gaming no end. They also made it appear tough and inaccessible to the uninitiated. What the wii does is bring gaming back to its roots.
how does telling the truth (disliking the wii's controller and low rez graphics/hating the 360s subscription system, noise and reliabilty) equal "bigging up the ps3"?!
hmm MARTIN?!
if the 360 had free online, lower noise and better reliabilty then id have no problem with it. hell id even boot it up!
why would i want all that s**t, when i can play the same games hassle free? its logic. microsoft fault, not mine.
and the wii is just not what im into, nothing down to machine flaws.. i just wouldnt be seen dead tugging that remote about like i just caught a fish. its stupid and most wii owners say the controls for most games are average. its ok for the mini/family games, but i prefer "generic" games like FPS's. the fact most developers have SHUNNED the wii shows its shut off from the traditional gaming scene. the scene i follow.
It is the way you go about your posts that does not help. Saying Wii is S**t is not an intelligent or reasoned way of commenting. Saying that it is not for you is fine as is criticising the sensitivity of the controls on some games (However some games have nailed it eg RE4+). I could say the PS3 online is utter rubbish, but that would be ignorant as although it is not as slick as the Live it is free and so you can not expect it to be as good. In that respect it is a decent service. Wii online is nowhere near as good as either of them but the games I have played on it have been lag free. The old bandwagon fanboy comments about how you look an idiot flapping the wiimote is ignorant and pretentious. Very few of the good games have you waving the wiimote around, it is generally used in a controlled manner to simulate an action. With regard to FPS games you will find if you have played Metroid Prime Corruption that the Wii controls are fantastic for FPS games as it gives you close to the precision of a mouse and the benefit of analog controls for moving around. It is just a shame that there are not more released on it.
As for traditional gaming scene, it depends on what you regard as traditional. If you mean PS1 onwards then you may be correct but in terms of gaming history the wii is closer to the ethos I have been used to since starting with Pong. Games used to be easy to control which enabled people with no previous experience to pick them up and play them. Games generally stayed this way until the PS1 when games suddenly started to get complicated (many completely unnecessarily so). Wii has taken gaming back to a more intuitive time when you forgot you did not have to concentrate on controlling the game and got on with playing it. It is also great for the disbled. If you only have the use of one hand or limited hand movement the Wii offers the ability to play on an even playing field with able bodied players and this can only be a good thing.
To tell the truth I thought the traditional "gaming scene" was a binatone/grandstand machine that had versions of Pong Tennis etc that used a very inaccurate light gun and some paddles as controllers. In that case I concur the Wii is closest to that "scene", As for gaming of the past 10 years then the 360 is the closest, as for a future "scene of games/consoles" the PS3 is the closest.
Each have their plus points and negative points but just to have a console sitting around gathering dust as you don't want to pay to play online(and I dont pay either) is mad. Personally I would of sold it ages ago(like I did my Wii) to get some cash instead of keep saying how bad it is on here.
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, and b)then there's the sports racing scene which fits nicely too. What do the professional drivers do? They "play about with" the car(s). 
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