Sony Computer Entertainment's ever-confident chairman Kazuo Hirai has said that the Xbox 360 "lacks longevity", and remains certain PS3 will finish on top.
Hirai said that, regardless of install base, or who sold more and when, "I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry."
He told Official PlayStation Magazine: "It's difficult to talk about Nintendo because we don't look at their console as being competitors. They're a different world and we operate in our world - that's kind of the way I look at things.
"And with the Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity," said Hirai.
"Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years and we've committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math.
"And unless things go really bad," added Hirai, "there's no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going to have a higher install base."
Couldn't have put it better myself, atleast Sony admit it, I just wish the others would.
I'm not bothered which console will out last the rest, PS3s tech is relatively new, so it will take devs longer to get the best out of it and therefore it will technically last longer. While I'm sure there is still a lot of life left the 360, I think the Wii will sell the most even during the remaining years of the PS3.
"Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years and we've committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math.
And before PS2 sony never had a console that had been on the market for much more than 5 years either. These industry execs need to keep their traps shut.
true i guess, look how long it took to kill the ps1 off ha ha, ps2 is still goin
i prefer this to MS constant digs at sony from that troll arron greenberg, but i see the same people posting here love it wen ms does it but wen sony does they cant take it
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
microsoft and sony can both suck my b*lls... they can only stop when they get their bottoms in gear, stop making snide jabs at each other and actually make some games...
It's difficult to talk about Nintendo because we don't look at their console as being competitors. They're a different world and we operate in our world - that's kind of the way I look at things.
I was watching Playr at the weekend and a Wii game was shown (Can't remember which one it was. Was a new side scrolling slasher) Anyway, a friend looked at it and said I quote, 'You can tell that's a Wii game. They wouldn't release that on a proper console'. Oh, sorry. It's a esspresso machine? A snowcone maker? *shrugs*
microsoft and sony can both suck my b*lls... they can only stop when they get their bottoms in gear, stop making snide jabs at each other and actually make some games...
You're talking about the two console makers that don't actually make games. What do you think they do with their spare time?
One Man's business model is another Man's bankruptcy.
Whatever Sony want to do, they have everyright to do so but you cant then start telling your competitors what to do as well, last time I checked MS were doing OK for themselves (relativley).
As far as the suits go, I have said it a million times already, they are all as bad as each other and none of them get plus points.
Jeez talk about complete crap. Any console will last as long as it takes for Sony and Microsoft to release the new "next generation" console. Then everything else gets put on the shelf, discounted and forgotton.
The PS3 may last longer but by the time the 360 has run it's course and the PS3 is in it's golden years the PS4 and new xbox will be out so who will actually care?
Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years and we've committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math.
Last time I checked, M$ had never claimed to have had a console on the market 5 years, or promised to keep the system alive for 10 years.
I say "alive" - Sony moved its attention from PS2 to PS3 years ago - the PS2 is more "barely surviving" on its back catalogue, than alive.
And before PS2 sony never had a console that had been on the market for much more than 5 years either. These industry execs need to keep their traps shut.
The PS1 was on the market for longer than 5 years. It was launched in 1994 and discontinued in 2006 believe it or not.
My preference for a 2nd console has recently moved from the 360 to a PS3 but I think Sony are just displaying pig-headedness with these type of comments. I have said before that the original Xbox was the least appealing console to me there has ever been, but the only reason it didn't have any kind of longevity was because MS decided to sack it off and focus on getting the 360 out. And this is a strategy which has more or less paid off them this time round.
Sony need to realise as well that the PS2 had a 10 year lifespan because it p**sed on the competition, for games, from a great height, not because they decided it was going to. So far this gen that is nowhere near the case.
It's the games that determine how long a console lasts not the console itself. Have a decent catalogue of games and people will buy your console. That's why the PS1 and PS2 survived so long. If Sony keep up their recent run of good releases then who knows it could be top at the end. Well 2nd to the Wii, but top of the serious gaming market. (Sorry if that offends any Ninty fans, I do have a Wii but I haven't seen a game released for months that I want to play yet)
At the end of the day both companys are full of s**te and i've had enough of hearing it who really wants a console with a ten year life cycle i know i don't Technology moves at an astounding rate and i'd like the console market to keep up ten years is too long between generations 6 years is more like it.
The idea of a 10-year lifespan is fine as long as they don't expect that to be their leading format after the first 6 or 7. The graphics cards in both of the big consoles are already prehistoric and the tech advances are only going to create a far bigger divide between what PCs can do and what you'll see on consoles. People will start to complain (even more than now) when they wonder why their box doesn't look as good as the screenshots or the preview renders.
It's difficult to talk about Nintendo because we don't look at their console as being competitors. They're a different world and we operate in our world - that's kind of the way I look at things.
I was watching Playr at the weekend and a Wii game was shown (Can't remember which one it was. Was a new side scrolling slasher) Anyway, a friend looked at it and said I quote, 'You can tell that's a Wii game. They wouldn't release that on a proper console'. Oh, sorry. It's a esspresso machine? A snowcone maker? *shrugs*
Is it a water heater? Classic lines in an underrated popcorn movie methinks
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
Er it was the other way round, didn't the PS1 bring in the hardcore and stop consoles just being a kids toy...
Things didn't get casual til the PS2 with singstar, buzz etc when Playstation owned it!
haha, hes right, but only because hes talking about units sold after 10 years in comparison with the probable 4-5 year lifespan of the 360 (which will be ditched when the next xbox comes out most likely).. so it just sounds like he's trying to make good news out of nothing
It's difficult to talk about Nintendo because we don't look at their console as being competitors. They're a different world and we operate in our world - that's kind of the way I look at things.
I was watching Playr at the weekend and a Wii game was shown (Can't remember which one it was. Was a new side scrolling slasher) Anyway, a friend looked at it and said I quote, 'You can tell that's a Wii game. They wouldn't release that on a proper console'. Oh, sorry. It's a esspresso machine? A snowcone maker? *shrugs*
Is it a water heater? Classic lines in an underrated popcorn movie methinks
You got it! I don't even have to say what movie it is from
And before PS2 sony never had a console that had been on the market for much more than 5 years either. These industry execs need to keep their traps shut.
The PS1 was on the market for longer than 5 years. It was launched in 1994 and discontinued in 2006 believe it or not.
I know this......
But before the PS2 was launched it had only been out a couple of months over 5 years. So before the ps2 sony had not had a console out for that length of time.
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
Er it was the other way round, didn't the PS1 bring in the hardcore and stop consoles just being a kids toy...
Things didn't get casual til the PS2 with singstar, buzz etc when Playstation owned it!
No it brought in chavs to gaming. They had pods in many clubs etc and these were often taken over by the rough side of society. Not to say the PS1 did not have some great games though, but every chav worth his salt had a ps1.
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
Er it was the other way round, didn't the PS1 bring in the hardcore and stop consoles just being a kids toy...
Things didn't get casual til the PS2 with singstar, buzz etc when Playstation owned it!
No it brought in chavs to gaming. They had pods in many clubs etc and these were often taken over by the rough side of society. Not to say the PS1 did not have some great games though, but every chav worth his salt had a ps1.
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
Er it was the other way round, didn't the PS1 bring in the hardcore and stop consoles just being a kids toy...
Things didn't get casual til the PS2 with singstar, buzz etc when Playstation owned it!
No it brought in chavs to gaming. They had pods in many clubs etc and these were often taken over by the rough side of society. Not to say the PS1 did not have some great games though, but every chav worth his salt had a ps1.
+1
I concur. I've always associated the PlayStation brand with chavs - less so this time round. Honestly, that's not some fanboy retort, it's just how I have always seen it - possibly in coming from a PC-gaming background. When the Xbox came along, to me it seemed like a console for gamers who really loved games.
They've got a good brand name, ever since PS1 brought gaming to the casual market, their brand has been synonymous with gaming amongst the casual gamers. But Nintendo are winning that back with the Wii, and the 360 has become a strong competitor, so just being a new "PlayStation" isn't necessarily enough any more. Games win console wars, not tech specs. Otherwise the Wii and DS wouldn't be the best-selling systems this gen.
Er it was the other way round, didn't the PS1 bring in the hardcore and stop consoles just being a kids toy...
Things didn't get casual til the PS2 with singstar, buzz etc when Playstation owned it!
No it brought in chavs to gaming. They had pods in many clubs etc and these were often taken over by the rough side of society. Not to say the PS1 did not have some great games though, but every chav worth his salt had a ps1.
+1
I concur. I've always associated the PlayStation brand with chavs - less so this time round. Honestly, that's not some fanboy retort, it's just how I have always seen it - possibly in coming from a PC-gaming background. When the Xbox came along, to me it seemed like a console for gamers who really loved games.
Probably just your age guys, chavs have always played games - before PS, chavs had megadrives, before that Atari STs, before that Speccys, and so on...
The PS brand brought gaming into the adult mainstream, moving gaming away from the image of kids and loners...
The Xbox brand brought online gaming into the mainstream, out of the bedroom PC and into the livingroom
The Nintendo brand has got your gran involved in gaming...
apart from anything else(!) one thing i hate about xbox is that if you pay for your online your basically forced to pay again next year and again or you've lost all your hard earned stats.
you cant just use it casually.
the ps3 has better longevity in this regard as i can switch it on a year or 2 down the line and not worry about connecting or paying again. i know some people who just gave it up after their sub was up - and they wouldnt have otherwise.
I've always associated the PlayStation brand with chavs
That's probably the stupidest thing I've read so far today and that includes the article that has caused the post...
Anyway...Sony wanted a 10 year cycle because the PSone and PS2 have lasted that long. It'll be hard for the PS3 to do that unless it gains a larger install base but who knows, that could happen. Maybe. Haven't they already said it'll be supported for 10 years, which means a new console could be out in 7.
apart from anything else(!) one thing i hate about xbox is that if you pay for your online your basically forced to pay again next year and again or you've lost all your hard earned stats.
This is from the same interview where Kaz said they made the PS3 deliberately hard to program for because they didn't want all the good games coming out straight away, because what would you be playing in nine years time.
Nintendo aren't competitors with Sony??? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Like it or not, Nintendo has owned both Sony and Microsoft this generation. The PS3 could have a lifespan of 40 years and it still would never catch what the Wii has already sold.
Let me guess, Microsoft isn't competition either because the 360 is "old technology"? This guys is a joke.
Face it Sony, you are finishing 3rd this generation. Period.
Nintendo aren't competitors with Sony??? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Like it or not, Nintendo has owned both Sony and Microsoft this generation. The PS3 could have a lifespan of 40 years and it still would never catch what the Wii has already sold.
Let me guess, Microsoft isn't competition either because the 360 is "old technology"? This guys is a joke.
Face it Sony, you are finishing 3rd this generation. Period.
tortoise and the hare. the xbox has played almost all of its cards. the ps3 is by far the most interesting console.
once the ps3 price cut comes, more and more people will get ps3's. more and more people will let their live subscription run out, rendering them useless: mass migration within the next year.
and nintendo, noone could get in that position without selling out. their are by far more causals than serious gamers... target them and you have a winner. though in gaming terms id call it a loser. isolated from the scene with nothing but toss.
As the head of the company, what do you expect him to say? What is he piping up for anyway. Surely he should have more important things to worry about than the console war. The people who helped build the company for a start. If they are doing so well, why are so many people now unemployed?
As the head of the company, what do you expect him to say? What is he piping up for anyway. Surely he should have more important things to worry about than the console war. The people who helped build the company for a start. If they are doing so well, why are so many people now unemployed?
As the head of the company, what do you expect him to say? What is he piping up for anyway. Surely he should have more important things to worry about than the console war. The people who helped build the company for a start. If they are doing so well, why are so many people now unemployed?
what an idiot. wont even elaborate.
Far q. Sony may continue to produce games for the Ps3 for 10 years, as they continue to with the Ps2. They will bring out something comparible to the Wii within the next couple of years. And guys like you will suck their balls for it. As for the job losses comments, I'm sure the people sony are laying off are not hearing these types of stories when they are getting the bottom.
It's statements like these that make me wish Sega were still in the console market. Kaz Hirai doesn't seem so much confident as he does arrogant. Can't tell whether he's a step up or a step down from that other pleb... ANYWAY, I'll get a PS3 once they do come down in price, but I won't enjoy it! Take that! How'd you like them apples Mr Hirai? ...Nevermind.
Now I await the inevitable backlash from some suited up Microsoft numpty...
I still dont understand, why are so many people on these boards anti Microsoft??? Have they done something to you personally?
tortoise and the hare. the xbox has played almost all of its cards. the ps3 is by far the most interesting console..
Played all it's cards? How?
once the ps3 price cut comes, more and more people will get ps3's. more and more people will let their live subscription run out, rendering them useless: mass migration within the next year.
Is this what you genuinely believe, or are you typing that in hope?
I still dont understand, why are so many people on these boards anti Microsoft??? Have they done something to you personally?
tortoise and the hare. the xbox has played almost all of its cards. the ps3 is by far the most interesting console..
Played all it's cards? How?
once the ps3 price cut comes, more and more people will get ps3's. more and more people will let their live subscription run out, rendering them useless: mass migration within the next year.
Is this what you genuinly believe, or are you typing that in hope?
Seriously, change the record.
We have been hearing the same thing for 3 years now. Suddenly they are saying it will happen after the price drop. What happened to people wanting to pay for quality? Showed all it's cards? What have you got after Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2? Both companies are keeping their cards close to the chest. Means nothing.
I still dont understand, why are so many people on these boards anti Microsoft??? Have they done something to you personally?
tortoise and the hare. the xbox has played almost all of its cards. the ps3 is by far the most interesting console..
Played all it's cards? How?
once the ps3 price cut comes, more and more people will get ps3's. more and more people will let their live subscription run out, rendering them useless: mass migration within the next year.
Is this what you genuinly believe, or are you typing that in hope?
Seriously, change the record.
its not what i "genuinly" believe... your a mug if you dont think that, in the coming months and years, more people will be investing in ps3's than 360's.
its held its own at double the price. whats gonna happen when it comes down? slaughter.
renewing a £40 sub for a £140 console will become less attractive by the year.
Funny all this chav stuff you lot keep going on about. I thought everyone bought the PSOne and PS2. That's why they were so popular. Even funnier is the term chav wasn't even invented when those consoles launched. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all price their consoles so that people can buy them from all backgrounds. I know the PS3 is more expensive this time out but it is around the same price that the others launched at. People going on about £300 for a console is too much. Anyone remember how much we had to pay for the older consoles like PSOne, PSTwo, NeoGeo, Saturn, etc back then? With inflation and what not that'd be a fortune. I think some of them work out at over £700 in today's money. I don't know. You lot have to bicker about something don't you. Must make you guys happy that CVG keeps putting this fodder out for you lot.
Hehe when he says 'lack of longevity' maybe his refering to the 360s not physcically lasting very long before they break and have to be shipped off for repairs (runs away). Seriously guys most people have both consoles anyway, so it doesnt matter who wins as long as they keep the games coming!
I own a PS3 and I'm not a chav, so I'm not quite sure what people on this forum base their opinions on. Neither do I hate the 360, each to their own I say.
What I also can't understand is why CVG continue to feature "stories" like this on their site. They benefit no-one. If something's not worth saying, don't say it!
its not what i "genuinly" believe... your a mug if you dont think that, in the coming months and years, more people will be investing in ps3's than 360's.
its held its own at double the price. whats gonna happen when it comes down? slaughter.
renewing a £40 sub for a £140 console will become less attractive by the year.
No, the mug is in fact you, thinking that once the price of a PS3 comes down, there will be some sort of mass migration from the 360 install base.
Microsoft, or M$ as you cool kids put it, did not get to becoming one of the most successful companies in the world by not following the markets and knowing when to do what. If you honestly think that all of the cards have been dealt, then you need to think again.
Simply put, if PSN comes anywhere close to Live, the Microsoft will make it free.
360 is without a doubt the chav console of choice this gen with its bargain car boot sale price, and chav games such as gears of war and project gotham
Hirai is a chump. I am fairly sure his predictions before PS3's launch didn't include getting whupped by Nintendo and Microsoft, or consumers not really giving a crap about blu-ray... I also remember him saying people will buy the PS3 no matter what the price, because it's just that damn good.
EPIC FAIL.
The facts are, Nintendo has an unassailable lead because it's machine is ostensibly a toy, and is owned by millions of non-gamers because it is simple to understand and play. That doesn't make it the best console, it was just marketed to the masses, and not gamers.
Microsoft deserve their 2nd place spot, having pulled out all the stops to make Xbox a success this generation. Mistakes have been made with the reliability for sure, but they will hopefully learn from that. Fact is, they have bust a gut to get a foothold in this market.
Sony made a number of mistakes early on. Price, Blu-Ray, and a touch of arrogance meant they didn't deliver what their core audience wanted. Even now killer apps are thin on the ground, though there are signs 2009 may be a turning point for them, in house/exclusive software wise.
These are the facts. I own all three and have since each launched, I love my Xbox because that is what has given me the most enjoyment so far. I'm hoping Sony pick it up, and certainly think PS3 from a technology standpoint has more legs (still a b!tch to code for though), but the question is...
By the time Sony has caught up with the rest, will anyone really care?
its not what i "genuinly" believe... your a mug if you dont think that, in the coming months and years, more people will be investing in ps3's than 360's.
its held its own at double the price. whats gonna happen when it comes down? slaughter.
renewing a £40 sub for a £140 console will become less attractive by the year.
No, the mug is in fact you, thinking that once the price of a PS3 comes down, there will be some sort of mass migration from the 360 install base.
Microsoft, or M$ as you cool kids put it, did not get to becoming one of the most successful companies in the world by not following the markets and knowing when to do what. If you honestly think that all of the cards have been dealt, then you need to think again.
Simply put, if PSN comes anywhere close to Live, the Microsoft will make it free.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
and insult their loyal customers by making it free: NEVER HAPPEN. live is their lifeline.
and PSN is close to what live can do. considering the cost of the MS alternative, ITS BETTER!!!
Hirai is a chump. I am fairly sure his predictions before PS3's launch didn't include getting whupped by Nintendo and Microsoft, or consumers not really giving a crap about blu-ray... I also remember him saying people will buy the PS3 no matter what the price, because it's just that damn good.
EPIC FAIL.
The facts are, Nintendo has an unassailable lead because it's machine is ostensibly a toy, and is owned by millions of non-gamers because it is simple to understand and play. That doesn't make it the best console, it was just marketed to the masses, and not gamers.
Microsoft deserve their 2nd place spot, having pulled out all the stops to make Xbox a success this generation. Mistakes have been made with the reliability for sure, but they will hopefully learn from that. Fact is, they have bust a gut to get a foothold in this market.
Sony made a number of mistakes early on. Price, Blu-Ray, and a touch of arrogance meant they didn't deliver what their core audience wanted. Even now killer apps are thin on the ground, though there are signs 2009 may be a turning point for them, in house/exclusive software wise.
These are the facts. I own all three and have since each launched, I love my Xbox because that is what has given me the most enjoyment so far. I'm hoping Sony pick it up, and certainly think PS3 from a technology standpoint has more legs (still a b!tch to code for though), but the question is...
By the time Sony has caught up with the rest, will anyone really care?
Good post - shame you'll still get lambasted for it.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
Who's to judge whether a console 'failed' or not? Is 25 million consoles sold a failure? Hardly. Gizmondo - now that was a failure. Xbox 1 did EXACTLY what Microsoft wanted it to do - give them a presence in the console field. And now look where they are - beating the previous leaders in terms of global sales...
I really hate this guy. He always talks s**te and has a face that says 'punch me'. They've always been the industry leaders? I beg to differ. That title goes to Nintendo and its funny how he doesn't see them as part of the opposition. The Wii is a console, it plays games. Simple as that
And yes, Sony do live in their own, deluded world...
In other news: I bought a PSP this week. It's pretty damn good.
I feel a bit wrong plugging it into the xbox though.
I may one day get a PS3, Little Big Planet looks too good to pass up. Dunno about Killzone 2 though, it will have to be pretty damn special to entice me away from Halo 3, Gears 2 and COD 4.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
Who's to judge whether a console 'failed' or not? Is 25 million consoles sold a failure? Hardly. Gizmondo - now that was a failure. Xbox 1 did EXACTLY what Microsoft wanted it to do - give them a presence in the console field. And now look where they are - beating the previous leaders in terms of global sales...
And you regard this as a failure?!?
25m is not bad. but its disgraceful next to 125m.
and given the ps3 has outsold to date the ps2 i.e. the "previous leader", you can hardly use that as a marker.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
and insult their loyal customers by making it free: NEVER HAPPEN. live is their lifeline.
and PSN is close to what live can do. considering the cost of the MS alternative, ITS BETTER!!!
I'm sorry, but how did it fail? Please enlighten me.
They have done worse things in the past to the customer base, I point you in the direction of Vista. Funny thing is, Vista, the total f*ck up that it was, still continues to be a commercial success for Microsoft. When it comes to business, Microsoft are among the best.
I'll have to take your word on PSN, I don’t actually own a PS3, but I have been told from friends who own both, that Live is generally a much more pleasurable experience. Like I said though, I can comment, I don’t have PSN at home.
Everyone always says "Live cots money, meh, n00bs! PSN FTW" and all that rubbish, but I will gladly pay money for what has been a superb service for me thus far. I pay for live for the same reasons that I pay £40 a month for business broadband at home, quality.
And I've said it before and I'll say it again, the PS2 was the exception NOT the rule. The Sega Mastersystem sold around 14 million. The Sega Megadrive sold around 30 million. The SNES sold around 50 million. The N64 sold around 32 million. The Gamecube sold around 20 million. The Dreamcast sold around 11 million.
All of these sold 'disgracefully' when compared to the PS2 - however, many of them were considered HUGELY successful. Sadly, not the Dreamcast.
and given the ps3 has outsold to date the ps2 i.e. the "previous leader", you can hardly use that as a marker.
'To date' and 'projected sales are worthless to me. For all you know the PS3 sales could dry up over night. Currently, the situation is this: Xbox360 has sold more than the PS3. FACT.
We can say what we like about Sony boss getting desperate or taking digs at Microsoft but this was an interview with OPM so he's going to get these questions about the so called "console war". I think he addressed the "issue" very candidly and wasn't drawn into any bad mouthing with sales figures and other annoying facts that come with it.
"And unless things go really bad," you mean like, how the ps3s life has gone so far?
and that stuff about the wii is rubbish, a console is a console. if the 360 was that far ahead they would say 'oh we're not competing with them as they have dvd and not blu ray', come off it.
what next, oh we're not competing with MS or nintendo, we are the leading blu ray playing console on the market! hilarious! sony are in rock bottom last place FOR THE MOMENT in this generation. like it or not, its fact.
And I've said it before and I'll say it again, the PS2 was the exception NOT the rule. The Sega Mastersystem sold around 14 million. The Sega Megadrive sold around 30 million. The SNES sold around 50 million. The N64 sold around 32 million. The Gamecube sold around 20 million. The Dreamcast sold around 11 million.
All of these sold 'disgracefully' when compared to the PS2 - however, many of them were considered HUGELY successful. Sadly, not the Dreamcast.
and given the ps3 has outsold to date the ps2 i.e. the "previous leader", you can hardly use that as a marker.
'To date' and 'projected sales are worthless to me. For all you know the PS3 sales could dry up over night. Currently, the situation is this: Xbox360 has sold more than the PS3. FACT.
i notice you convieniently left out the ps1. which would have been the most valid one - we are talking playstation here. IDIOT!!!
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
BR was a mistake as it was one of the main reasons for the PS3 launch delay. The 360 and PS3 were supposed to drop within months of each other, now imagine where the PS3 would be sales-wise if it hadn't been delayed.
i notice you convieniently left out the ps1. which would have been the most valid one - we are talking playstation here. fail.
I purposely left it out. The Playstation did huge things for gaming, introducing people like you to games. And it sold phenomenally well as a consequence. The PS2 continued that trend.
Besides, we weren't comparing PS1 to PS2 sales, we were comparing Xbox to PS2 sales...
" and that stuff about the wii is rubbish, a console is a console. if the 360 was that far ahead they would say 'oh we're not competing with them as they have dvd and not blu ray', come off it.
Where in the entire interview does he say the Wii is rubbish? Some of you guys seriously go out of your way to be insulted. How many people posting have actually read the whole interview?
Fair points about the reliability of the 360 though. And their 10 year policy could work out very well, it worked well for the first two PSs, although they were market leaders by some distance. Games keep being made because of the huge user base, people buy PS2s because there are still new games etc. Will this happen with PS3 though, when the wii and 360 have more units sold? They have been very savvy running two consoles side by side, making money on they PS2 while the PS3 finds its feet.
But why do the senior people in these companies come out with so much crap? And 360/PS3 saying wii is not a competitor - it's complete b******s, said to make themselves feel better. How many wii's have been sold? The wii has taken a chunk out of the 360 market in terms of cheaper console and a chunk out of the market for the people who just buy the console they've heard most about - which traditionally was the Playstation brand.
"Last time I checked"... as I'm sure others have pointed out, MS have only released one console prior to this.
If I set the parameters for winning. Only I can win!!!!
I'd like him to tell his shareholders they are the industry leaders and then show them the sales/financial figures and see what they make of it all.
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Sony, it's not the price, the colour or the games that don't make me want to buy a PS3, it's the controller. That piece of crap alone makes me not want to buy a PS3, let me plug in my Snes controller and I'll give you my house, car and wife.
The Wii is selling faster than the PS2 ever did, well in the US anyway.
I don’t know why you guys get so worked up over companies shooting s**t at each other, that’s business baby!
And personally I think Microsoft and Sony are sensible to not count Nintendo as a direct competitor this generation, after all Londis won’t compare their sales to Sainsbury’s now will they? Even if they’re in the same market as it is not in their, or more importantly their shareholders, interests to.
" and that stuff about the wii is rubbish, a console is a console. if the 360 was that far ahead they would say 'oh we're not competing with them as they have dvd and not blu ray', come off it.
Where in the entire interview does he say the Wii is rubbish? Some of you guys seriously go out of your way to be insulted. How many people posting have actually read the whole interview?
Let me help you out Voodoo. He said the STATEMENT about the Wii was rubbish.
"official leadership"? I guess he should tell that to Nintendo as they are the only ones turning a profit along with having the biggest install base. I see the PS3 having longevity after the PS4 comes out, just like the PS2 has done. That will ruin Sony.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
Who's to judge whether a console 'failed' or not? Is 25 million consoles sold a failure? Hardly. Gizmondo - now that was a failure. Xbox 1 did EXACTLY what Microsoft wanted it to do - give them a presence in the console field. And now look where they are - beating the previous leaders in terms of global sales...
And you regard this as a failure?!?
25m is not bad. but its disgraceful next to 125m.
and given the ps3 has outsold to date the ps2 i.e. the "previous leader", you can hardly use that as a marker.
Sorry, I know your trying your hardest here but we need to nip this one in the bud straight away. Sony may well have sold more PS3's in the same time that it took to sell the PS2 but the BIG difference here though is that Nintendo didnt have double their install base and there was no third platform (MS).
So yes the PS3 has sold more in comparison to what the PS2 did but it wasnt in last place when it was selling them.
But why do the senior people in these companies come out with so much crap? And 360/PS3 saying wii is not a competitor - it's complete b******s, said to make themselves feel better. How many wii's have been sold? The wii has taken a chunk out of the 360 market in terms of cheaper console and a chunk out of the market for the people who just buy the console they've heard most about - which traditionally was the Playstation brand.
Actually, I think that's a pretty fair point. I got a Wii on launch, and at the point, it was my only 'next gen' console. The months rolled by, and while I enjoyed the Wii lots (admittedly, much of that was playing Gamecube games that I'd missed first time round - like Killer 7), I realised that it just wouldn't scratch that 'next gen' itch for me. In any way.
WAAAAAY too many games were only coming to the PS3 or 360, and overlooking the Wii. Irrespective of how well it was being received, I knew that for me to be sated, I'd need to go for one of those two as well.
And it was an easy decision too. I hate Sony, detest the Dual Shock pad, and knew loads of people that had 360s, so I opted for that.
And that's basically the point - I genuinely don't believe the Wii IS competing in the same market, or for the same market share. I may be proved wrong, but I bet there's a large majority of Wii owners that have never, and would have ever, owned a console before the Wii came along. And for those of us that have gaming in our blood and still own a Wii, I bet most of us have another console (be it 360 or PS3) on top.
"official leadership"? I guess he should tell that to Nintendo as they are the only ones turning a profit along with having the biggest install base. I see the PS3 having longevity after the PS4 comes out, just like the PS2 has done. That will ruin Sony.
Wrong, Sony and Microsofts gaming divisions are both profitable.
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Nice. Will this be the quote that gets him another ban? For the sake of the entire internet, one can only dream...
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Nice. Will this be the quote that gets him another ban? For the sake of the entire internet, one can only dream...
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Nice. Will this be the quote that gets him another ban? For the sake of the entire internet, one can only dream...
thanks for some airtime on p5, it was rather nice.
that c**t started it. i cant come back to that with a half-assed reply, even though his was greatly original. his own fault. and besides, its alright since i put a smiley at the end. isnt it?!
But why do the senior people in these companies come out with so much crap? And 360/PS3 saying wii is not a competitor - it's complete b******s, said to make themselves feel better. How many wii's have been sold? The wii has taken a chunk out of the 360 market in terms of cheaper console and a chunk out of the market for the people who just buy the console they've heard most about - which traditionally was the Playstation brand.
Actually, I think that's a pretty fair point. I got a Wii on launch, and at the point, it was my only 'next gen' console. The months rolled by, and while I enjoyed the Wii lots (admittedly, much of that was playing Gamecube games that I'd missed first time round - like Killer 7), I realised that it just wouldn't scratch that 'next gen' itch for me. In any way.
WAAAAAY too many games were only coming to the PS3 or 360, and overlooking the Wii. Irrespective of how well it was being received, I knew that for me to be sated, I'd need to go for one of those two as well.
And it was an easy decision too. I hate Sony, detest the Dual Shock pad, and knew loads of people that had 360s, so I opted for that.
And that's basically the point - I genuinely don't believe the Wii IS competing in the same market, or for the same market share. I may be proved wrong, but I bet there's a large majority of Wii owners that have never, and would have ever, owned a console before the Wii came along. And for those of us that have gaming in our blood and still own a Wii, I bet most of us have another console (be it 360 or PS3) on top.
I see what your saying, but with the huge numbers of wiis sold there surely is no way they haven't taken a few million sales from Sony and MS.
Among 'gamers' they aren't necessarily competing, but I think it is easy to forget that a lot of people who buy consoles now who don't read the gaming press, aren't all that bothered by HD graphics, don't care about hardcore/casual and just want a games console. And they would have bough a 360 or PS3 had the wii not been doing what it's doing.
My dad was going to by a 360 on release, he couldnt get one and stopped bothering after christmas. He got a wii though, so that's one you can chalk of MS's total!
I think that was confirmed after his first comment under that moniker. You can tell by the rising levels of vitriolic hatred that spews forth from his words, until he speaks about Japanese cars when he melts into a pool of useless sperm.
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Nice. Will this be the quote that gets him another ban? For the sake of the entire internet, one can only dream...
Indeed. Hopefully they take TonyB too.
I haven't seen tonyb for some time. And xbob. What happened? Did Snake knock em off, MGS style?
Luckily for you, you never got involved in a music discussion with him (svd). It's refreshing to know that it's not just gaming in which he's ignorant and blinkered and can't accept another point of view.
I haven't seen tonyb for some time. And xbob. What happened? Did Snake knock em off, MGS style?
Luckily for you, you never got involved in a music discussion with him (svd). It's refreshing to know that it's not just gaming in which he's ignorant and blinkered and can't accept another point of view.
Oh, to be always right...
I almost did enter a music "discussion" with him on the Halo3 OST story, I could see where it was going though and kept my response rather diplomatic.
I see what your saying, but with the huge numbers of wiis sold there surely is no way they haven't taken a few million sales from Sony and MS.
Among 'gamers' they aren't necessarily competing, but I think it is easy to forget that a lot of people who buy consoles now who don't read the gaming press, aren't all that bothered by HD graphics, don't care about hardcore/casual and just want a games console. And they would have bough a 360 or PS3 had the wii not been doing what it's doing.
My dad was going to by a 360 on release, he couldnt get one and stopped bothering after christmas. He got a wii though, so that's one you can chalk of MS's total!
You are possibly, or probably right. Sadly, we'll never, EVER know for sure stuff like this. Sales figures only give us one side - we don't know what the overlap on those sales figures are, nor do we know how many potential console buyers are out there...
I'm slowly becoming convinced that this svd_asshopper is actually k109 returned from the dead.
That was established a long while back. Just as crimbo is tam, as much as he denies it.
*shakes head*
I thought tam was k109? Perhaps if someone is sad enough, they can go to the forum homepage, keep hitting refresh and see who is online at the same time???
That would nearly be as sad as the multiple personalities some use to back themselves up in discussion!!
I see what your saying, but with the huge numbers of wiis sold there surely is no way they haven't taken a few million sales from Sony and MS.
Among 'gamers' they aren't necessarily competing, but I think it is easy to forget that a lot of people who buy consoles now who don't read the gaming press, aren't all that bothered by HD graphics, don't care about hardcore/casual and just want a games console. And they would have bough a 360 or PS3 had the wii not been doing what it's doing.
My dad was going to by a 360 on release, he couldnt get one and stopped bothering after christmas. He got a wii though, so that's one you can chalk of MS's total!
You are possibly, or probably right. Sadly, we'll never, EVER know for sure stuff like this. Sales figures only give us one side - we don't know what the overlap on those sales figures are, nor do we know how many potential console buyers are out there...
I was going to type that. We will never know!!!!
I wish we did know. I've been itching to draw a venn diagram since I finished a level maths about 11 years ago.
I'm slowly becoming convinced that this svd_asshopper is actually k109 returned from the dead.
That was established a long while back. Just as crimbo is tam, as much as he denies it.
*shakes head*
I thought tam was k109? Perhaps if someone is sad enough, they can go to the forum homepage, keep hitting refresh and see who is online at the same time???
That would nearly be as sad as the multiple personalities some use to back themselves up in discussion!!
From what I can make out, the ID's go:
tam = tam2 = crimbo (easy to spot his pointless posts) vercetti102 = k109 = svd_grasshopper (again - easy to spot his posts...they tend to be ignorant and offensive) suivaloom = nigel_de jong (this is the trickiest to spot, but he's even admitted it - I think he may have had other alt. ID's too, at one point or another)
tam = tam2 = crimbo (easy to spot his pointless posts) vercetti102 = k109 = svd_grasshopper (again - easy to spot his posts...they tend to be ignorant and offensive) suivaloom = nigel_de jong (this is the trickiest to spot, but he's even admitted it - I think he may have had other alt. ID's too, at one point or another)
Bang on the money. Most of these were due to account bannings though, rather than some duplicitous actions to try to confuse people.
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
I think the only real mistake was you being born.
no, the mistake was your mammy refusing to getting the abortion after getting raped and hitching up with that spaztic called "dad".... how do you like that one, SON......
Nice. Will this be the quote that gets him another ban? For the sake of the entire internet, one can only dream...
thanks for some airtime on p5, it was rather nice.
that c**t started it. i cant come back to that with a half-assed reply, even though his was greatly original. his own fault. and besides, its alright since i put a smiley at the end. isnt it?!
Every time you post you just make my point more valid.
...and don't forget the voodoo341/LordVonPS3 culprit. Those two usernames exhibit so much Sony love they just have to be the same person!
Hmmmm - not sure about that one....although, JIGSAW certainly has some similarities to Suivaloom/Nigel_de Jong - so, that's possibly another of his alt. ID's...I could be wrong, however.
No, Tam/crimbo is certainly not k109. Different species of tard.
Remind me again please,was K109 the young chap who banged on about 'Unicorn dreams', insulted peoples mothers and couldn't spell for toff? I miss him you know.
No, Tam/crimbo is certainly not k109. Different species of tard.
Remind me again please,was K109 the young chap who banged on about 'Unicorn dreams', insulted peoples mothers and couldn't spell for toff? I miss him you know.
No, Tam/crimbo is certainly not k109. Different species of tard.
Remind me again please,was K109 the young chap who banged on about 'Unicorn dreams', insulted peoples mothers and couldn't spell for toff? I miss him you know.
No, that was EpicSonyWin - he was as mad as a barrel full of monkeys....although, I think he took the banning as a hint and didn't bother coming back after that. WiiBoy101 was another odd one - he's only recently been banned, so there's a chance we'll see someone else posting in capitals and generally making no sense whatsoever.
I like all the deranged ones, they make it more fun. If everyone was sensible and level headed, or just attempting to be, it would be very boring on here. Much like Suivalooms boring personality, the one named after Man City’s new midfield signing. He’s very dull.
No, Tam/crimbo is certainly not k109. Different species of tard.
Remind me again please,was K109 the young chap who banged on about 'Unicorn dreams', insulted peoples mothers and couldn't spell for toff? I miss him you know.
I think that was epicsonywin. He was a loon.
And he made outrageous claims - like he invented the question mark.
It's quite silly for Mr. Hirai to bring up the life span of Microsoft's consoles. The Xbox has come and gone, but that's it. It's complete lunacy to judge a company's business strategies based on one product.
The incredibly arrogant assumption that Sony is the 'leader' of the video game industry makes no sense, especially since Hirai says to ignore sales and install base. That's like saying the short, fat kid with asthma and bad knees who sat on the bench on your basketball team was the MVP. I really wish both Sony and Microsoft would stop making themselves feel better about how vastly better Nintendo is doing by saying they consider the company "not a competitor".
I'm not a fanboy of any company or console. I own all three and I like them each for their own reasons.
Where in the entire interview does he say the Wii is rubbish? Some of you guys seriously go out of your way to be insulted. How many people posting have actually read the whole interview?
have you actually read the interview? he was saying that sony doesnt see nintendo's console (thats the wii ) being a competitor. thats rubbish. the ps3, the 360, the wii, all the same. they are gaming consoles in the gaming market vying for money from gamers wallets.
Nintendo aren't competitors with Sony??? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Like it or not, Nintendo has owned both Sony and Microsoft this generation. The PS3 could have a lifespan of 40 years and it still would never catch what the Wii has already sold.
Let me guess, Microsoft isn't competition either because the 360 is "old technology"? This guys is a joke.
Face it Sony, you are finishing 3rd this generation. Period.
tortoise and the hare. the xbox has played almost all of its cards. the ps3 is by far the most interesting console.
once the ps3 price cut comes, more and more people will get ps3's. more and more people will let their live subscription run out, rendering them useless: mass migration within the next year.
and nintendo, noone could get in that position without selling out. their are by far more causals than serious gamers... target them and you have a winner. though in gaming terms id call it a loser. isolated from the scene with nothing but toss.
Wishful thinking. I do agree with you that if the PS3 gets a significant price cut that should help it sell but a "mass migration"? You're dreaming.
Btw, can you consult with your fellow rabid SDF fanboys and decide whether it's a good thing the PS3 is expensive because it's apparently suppose to signify "class, blah de blah" and a price cut would be a mistake, or whether it's now supposed to be a good thing that the PS3 may get a price cut? Make up your minds already, thanks.
FACT: You clearly don’t bring Eccles cakes to the party when they would go right lovely with a cup of tea.
Eccles cakes are EEEVVIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!
Aside from one raping a goat in front of me when I was four, and one that deals crack on the corner near my flat, I’ve never had any evil experiences with them.
Not like these evil corporates with their evil corporate speak in evidently evil tongues. They be evil.
have you actually read the interview? he was saying that sony doesnt see nintendo's console (thats the wii ) being a competitor. thats rubbish. the ps3, the 360, the wii, all the same. they are gaming consoles in the gaming market vying for money from gamers wallets.
I have actually, the whole article as well not just CVG's juicy bits. Can't remember the part where he said the Wii is rubbish though.
Aside from one raping a goat in front of me when I was four, and one that deals crack on the corner near my flat, I’ve never had any evil experiences with them.
Hirai is a chump. I am fairly sure his predictions before PS3's launch didn't include getting whupped by Nintendo and Microsoft, or consumers not really giving a crap about blu-ray... I also remember him saying people will buy the PS3 no matter what the price, because it's just that damn good.
EPIC FAIL.
The facts are, Nintendo has an unassailable lead because it's machine is ostensibly a toy, and is owned by millions of non-gamers because it is simple to understand and play. That doesn't make it the best console, it was just marketed to the masses, and not gamers.
Microsoft deserve their 2nd place spot, having pulled out all the stops to make Xbox a success this generation. Mistakes have been made with the reliability for sure, but they will hopefully learn from that. Fact is, they have bust a gut to get a foothold in this market.
Sony made a number of mistakes early on. Price, Blu-Ray, and a touch of arrogance meant they didn't deliver what their core audience wanted. Even now killer apps are thin on the ground, though there are signs 2009 may be a turning point for them, in house/exclusive software wise.
These are the facts. I own all three and have since each launched, I love my Xbox because that is what has given me the most enjoyment so far. I'm hoping Sony pick it up, and certainly think PS3 from a technology standpoint has more legs (still a b!tch to code for though), but the question is...
By the time Sony has caught up with the rest, will anyone really care?
FACT: You clearly don’t bring Eccles cakes to the party when they would go right lovely with a cup of tea.
Eccles cakes are EEEVVIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!
Aside from one raping a goat in front of me when I was four, and one that deals crack on the corner near my flat, I’ve never had any evil experiences with them.
Not like these evil corporates with their evil corporate speak in evidently evil tongues. They be evil.
As WHERESMYMONKEY says, they are essentially dead flies in pastry...
As for the evil corps... "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Sega R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
FACT: You clearly don’t bring Eccles cakes to the party when they would go right lovely with a cup of tea.
Eccles cakes are EEEVVIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!
Aside from one raping a goat in front of me when I was four, and one that deals crack on the corner near my flat, I’ve never had any evil experiences with them.
Not like these evil corporates with their evil corporate speak in evidently evil tongues. They be evil.
I heard that corporations are responsible for every thing bad that has ever happened to you ever. especially that really embarrising thing that happened when you were 14 in gym class.
why, in f**ks name, was puttin g in BR a mistake?!
because it pushed the price up so far you were too poor to afford it?
id call that DVD drive a mistake. sounds like a jet and its gimping titles, not only for xbox, but its f**king over lazy cross-platform developers.
MGS4 wouldnt have been possible in its true form if sony put in an ancient DVD drive in their new next gen console.
that and it cant play HD movies.
what one was the real mistake?!
Your words are those of one heavily emotionally invested in wanting something to be despite of what the facts on the ground indicate. Was Blu-Ray a mistake? Depends on which perspective you adopt. Perhaps Blu-Ray will turn a corner and become a galvanized tour de force in the digital media storage market, but it hasn't happened yet. DVD drive a mistake? Not from an financial perspective as is clearly demonstrated by the increased sales of the Xbox 360 which is in large part due to a much more flexible pricing policy and a cheaper DVD helps keep costs down while still allowing for games that many Xbox 360 owners apparently enjoy. The PS3 may have fancy tech and that's just great but it hasn't done it any favours in terms of dominating the console market and ultimately, regardless of what your Sony Defense Force heart may want to believe, Sony, et al are in it *for the money*. Not out of the kindness of their collective hearts nor because you have been a good fan.
have you actually read the interview? he was saying that sony doesnt see nintendo's console (thats the wii ) being a competitor. thats rubbish. the ps3, the 360, the wii, all the same. they are gaming consoles in the gaming market vying for money from gamers wallets.
I have actually, the whole article as well not just CVG's juicy bits. Can't remember the part where he said the Wii is rubbish though.
Oh dear god...
He said that the statement about the Wii not being in competition was rubbish, he wasn't accusing the guy of saying the Wii was rubbish.
idiot. MS, one of the most successful companies in the world. didnt stop the first xbox from failing did it?
Who's to judge whether a console 'failed' or not? Is 25 million consoles sold a failure? Hardly. Gizmondo - now that was a failure. Xbox 1 did EXACTLY what Microsoft wanted it to do - give them a presence in the console field. And now look where they are - beating the previous leaders in terms of global sales...
And you regard this as a failure?!?
25m is not bad. but its disgraceful next to 125m.
and given the ps3 has outsold to date the ps2 i.e. the "previous leader", you can hardly use that as a marker.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
i just had a fresh cream apple turnover and it was so bloody big with cream dripping out the sides, i actually had to bin a good half of it due to not being able to cram any more of it down my throat.
eccles cakes are the food of satan, though i do enjoy a nice iced fruit slice now and then. or a flies graveyard as they used to be known as.
" and that stuff about the wii is rubbish, a console is a console. if the 360 was that far ahead they would say 'oh we're not competing with them as they have dvd and not blu ray', come off it.
Where in the entire interview does he say the Wii is rubbish? Some of you guys seriously go out of your way to be insulted. How many people posting have actually read the whole interview?
have you actually read the interview? he was saying that sony doesnt see nintendo's console (thats the wii ) being a competitor. thats rubbish. the ps3, the 360, the wii, all the same. they are gaming consoles in the gaming market vying for money from gamers wallets.
I have actually, the whole article as well not just CVG's juicy bits. Can't remember the part where he said the Wii is rubbish though.
Oh dear god...
No point in bothering to point it out to Voodoo. He'll only see what his Sony branded specs allow him to.
He said that the statement about the Wii not being in competition was rubbish, he wasn't accusing the guy of saying the Wii was rubbish.
FACT: This thread has achieved nothing towards the good of all humanity.
do any of the longer threads? they all seem to fall into the same pit of bile. i've got a theory that if a thread is more than 3 pages long its filled at least 3/4 with the same old s**te we get every day. it'd be enough to incite world war god damn you CVG, look at what your turning our nations youth into
Sony executive interviewed. During interview states Sony not competing with Nintendo. Many posters disagree. Some posters agree. Pandemonioum ensues as fanboys and hard feelings erupt. Thread descends into the as-of-late usual sniping fest. The End.
Sure: Playstation is the best. WAAAGGGHHHH No it isn't, Playstation is sh*t. WAAAGGGGGHHH. Wrong. No, you're wrong. NO, you're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. It is you that is wrong. Infinity. ... ... ...You're wrong. Infinity plus one.
I heard that corporations are responsible for every thing bad that has ever happened to you ever. especially that really embarrising thing that happened when you were 14 in gym class.
Hmmm, I’m not sure that’s strictly true, nothing embarrassing ever happened to me at school. I was far too busy bunking off and playing Fifa on the megadrive, drinking tea and smoking cigs with my friends. Oh how I miss the cigs…
As for gym class, I didn’t attend an American high school so I have never attended such a thing, I had PE!
FACT: This thread has achieved nothing towards the good of all humanity.
do any of the longer threads? they all seem to fall into the same pit of bile. i've got a theory that if a thread is more than 3 pages long its filled at least 3/4 with the same old s**te we get every day. it'd be enough to incite world war god damn you CVG, look at what your turning our nations youth into
I refuse to get drawn into it now as it always ends up being fruitless. Arguing with angst ridden gamers is like having a broken pencil.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
It's like reading the ramblings of Dustin Hoffman in Rainman.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
I heard that corporations are responsible for every thing bad that has ever happened to you ever. especially that really embarrising thing that happened when you were 14 in gym class.
Hmmm, I’m not sure that’s strictly true, nothing embarrassing ever happened to me at school. I was far too busy bunking off and playing Fifa on the megadrive, drinking tea and smoking cigs with my friends. Oh how I miss the cigs…
As for gym class, I didn’t attend an American high school so I have never attended such a thing, I had PE!
We had two seperate lessons, PE and 'Games'. Games, as far as I could tell, was basically ball sports (mainly football, cricket/tennis in the summer when the goal posts were moved. And not metaphorically.) and PE was athletics (freezing cold cross country runs in the winter - I can't believe they used to let us run out of the school, down the town farm and across common ground. Nobody was ever abducted or molested, how times have changed).
Still PE was a single period and Games was a double. Result!!
Ahhh, thinking of the good old days is much more fun than arguing over electronics.
And before anyone starts, my Wahl juicer s**ts on any others by the way. Wahl FTW etc etc, kenwood = epic fail etc etc.
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Sure: Playstation is the best. WAAAGGGHHHH No it isn't, Playstation is sh*t. WAAAGGGGGHHH. Wrong. No, you're wrong. NO, you're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. It is you that is wrong. Infinity. ... ... ...You're wrong. Infinity plus one.
i also see there was some reminiscencing(thats a big word) about past characters
Sure: Playstation is the best. WAAAGGGHHHH No it isn't, Playstation is sh*t. WAAAGGGGGHHH. Wrong. No, you're wrong. NO, you're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. It is you that is wrong. Infinity. ... ... ...You're wrong. Infinity plus one.
i also see there was some reminiscencing(thats a big word) about past characters
Close - reminiscing. And yes, there was - including your previous accounts.
They lumped everything under PE in my school, that way they could make us do anything, including a road run around the school & surrounding park where the teacher made the slightly unwise decision of letting all the fat kids waddle off with a five minute head start seemingly just to allow us more lithe combatants to take over their wheezing frames a little down the road and laugh at them on the way past.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
WUM?
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I assume you mean 'Wind up Merchant' rather than option 4
well i am sorry i don't live up to you and martys f**king spelling standards.i am f**king sick of always getting corrected on this f**king by these lazy tossers who should be working but instead are coming on this site to correct me.
c**ts
They aren't MY spelling standards - they are this guys...
well i am sorry i don't live up to you and martys f**king spelling standards.i am f**king sick of always getting corrected on this f**king by these lazy tossers who should be working but instead are coming on this site to correct me.
c**ts
They aren't MY spelling standards - they are this guys...
they can take their f**king dictionary and shove it up your ass for all i f**king care boy
That's fine - you can ignore the dictionary and continue to just make up words to express your point of view.....but, you'll have to accept the fact that people will either have absolutely no idea what you're banging on about, or just think that you're some 10 year old kid.
Sure: Playstation is the best. WAAAGGGHHHH No it isn't, Playstation is sh*t. WAAAGGGGGHHH. Wrong. No, you're wrong. NO, you're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. It is you that is wrong. Infinity. ... ... ...You're wrong. Infinity plus one.
i also see there was some reminiscencing(thats a big word) about past characters
A big word, or just a made up one?
well i am sorry i don't live up to you and martys f**king spelling standards.i am f**king sick of always getting corrected on this f**king site by these lazy tossers who should be working but instead are coming on this site to correct me.
c**ts
Twas a joke. I don't generally make things out of little spelling mistakes and grammar, but I make an exception for you.
I work from home, so I'm fine thanks. What do you do though little 'un? I'm assuming you're not working so that must mean school's out?
In which case shouldn't you be staying behind for extra spelling lessons?? And the shift key is the one with the arrow pointing upwards, next to the '\' key. Failing that you can tap the 'Caps Lock' button, it's usually just above the shift key.
What a way to pass the time of day, brilliant read as ususal people, everyone give themselves a pat on the back and a Chocolate Digestive as a reward.
I actually feel like im in a Pinky & The Brain cartoon sometimes on here: 'What are we going to do today Brain? The same thing we do everyday Pinky, try to take over the World!!!'
I can see Crimbo being a bit of a Pinky and Grasshopper is Mos Def The Brain.
I have to say, what entertainment. I've eaten a nice plate of fries, while chuckling away at the comments.
Now more fuel for the fire.
You sony lot. First of all, people dont pay 40 quid a year for Live, they shop around and pay 27. Secondly, they'd rather have a service where things update in an instant, not waiting until every thursday for a update.
Then there's the whole SSF2HD. The Xbox lot have had it long time, where's your beloved Sony Europe lot do f**k all.
Oh, oh. Here's a good one to get all you going.
PS3 owners. Buy a REAL games machine.
/gets the popcorn /gets ready for the blizzard of God of war mentions, and the such.
nintendo also started off the whole concept of a modern games machine.
We have a lot to thank Nintendo for. People often forget that.
Know your roots.
The Atari 2600 came way before Nintendo...
Yep Atari for a gaming system that could have games seperate from the console and the binatone/grandstand jobbies for getting the consoles into the living room. Lets not forget Charles Babbage for the first ever programmable computer. "and the survey says UHHH UHHHHHHH"
have you actually read the interview? he was saying that sony doesnt see nintendo's console (thats the wii ) being a competitor. thats rubbish. the ps3, the 360, the wii, all the same. they are gaming consoles in the gaming market vying for money from gamers wallets.
I have actually, the whole article as well not just CVG's juicy bits. Can't remember the part where he said the Wii is rubbish though.
Oh dear god...
He said that the statement about the Wii not being in competition was rubbish, he wasn't accusing the guy of saying the Wii was rubbish.
I seem to recall sega saying to "do the math" as their advert slogan to show how much better the Saturn's 2 CPUs was comapared to PSone. Where is sega saturn now?
Personally I think it's about time Sony stopped blowing their own trumpet and started realising that the monopoly they had with the PS2 (when it basically saw off all competition) isn't currently here with the PS3.
With the Ps2 Sony managed to pretty much brainwash everyone into thinking that the machine was so brilliant that nothing else could come close. That's why rival consoles died a death even if they were better.
This time round the console buyers are much better educated and won't just buy something based on hype alone.
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
Your evidence that I haven't read the article is where? If you had taken the time to read Dustins ramblings you would see he wasn't even talking about the article. He was rambling about figures.
Guess that would make you a TOOL (you don't have to look that one up Marty).
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
WUM?
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I assume you mean 'Wind up Merchant' rather than option 4
Never heard of option 4 until now! He's not that bad!
PS2 owed much of it's popularity to the fact the GTA games were out on that system first, and that just isn't the case now. And a large majority of games are now being developed for all platforms (which is why the games industry is growing stagnant) so price really is the deciding factor, and the 360 (sans hard drive) is cheaper than both PS3 and Wii. Plus PS3 no longer has the backwards compatibility, so people are no longer selling their PS2s to put towards the cost of the newer machine which makes it less attractive to all but the most hardcore of playstation fans. And the PS2 lifespan is hardly anything to be proud of and is actually probably harming PS3 sales as newer titles are still being developed for it, so why bother upgrading? And, I may be mistaken here, didn't Sony actually talk about plans for developing the PS4 and having it out within 4 years or so? If they did that doesn't say much about their hopes for PS3 longevity. Personally I have no preference for either consoles, I own a 360, Wii and PS2, and will probably end up with a PS3 some time in the future, and I hate all this trash talk from people who should know better and their fans.
I have to say, what entertainment. I've eaten a nice plate of fries, while chuckling away at the comments.
Now more fuel for the fire.
You sony lot. First of all, people dont pay 40 quid a year for Live, they shop around and pay 27. Secondly, they'd rather have a service where things update in an instant, not waiting until every thursday for a update.
Then there's the whole SSF2HD. The Xbox lot have had it long time, where's your beloved Sony Europe lot do f**k all.
Oh, oh. Here's a good one to get all you going.
PS3 owners. Buy a REAL games machine.
/gets the popcorn /gets ready for the blizzard of God of war mentions, and the such.
lets be honnest here marty and his gay little gang are all a bunch of women!!! if you lot want to play a real games console a mans console then get a ps3 or you should just hand in your man card and go whatch some east enders.
c**k. Now where's my red pen to correct the spelling and grammar...?
FACT: This thread has achieved nothing towards the good of all humanity.
do any of the longer threads? they all seem to fall into the same pit of bile. i've got a theory that if a thread is more than 3 pages long its filled at least 3/4 with the same old s**te we get every day. it'd be enough to incite world war god damn you CVG, look at what your turning our nations youth into
I refuse to get drawn into it now as it always ends up being fruitless. Arguing with angst ridden gamers is like having a broken pencil.
Pointless.*
*Courtesy of Black Adder.
You mean like this?
Ok, I'm only interested in replies from fans of the genre here - but being a huge fan of Lost Odyssey, is Last Remnant worth a go? Take into account that I only have a 20gb hard drive and will be unable to istall the game for shorter load times etc.
I'm sure I would enjoy it, but is it likely to be a dissapoinment if I come in expecting another Lost Odyssey?
If you enjoyed Lost Odyssey then I am pretty sure you could close your eyes, pick up any JRPG and enjoy it.
Yes it is worth playing ignore Sony boy (someone said a bad thing about the PS3 today and it was Square Enix), the battle mechanics are a little odd (although I am only about 6 hours in). So far pretty good reminds me of Lost Odyssey with the way you travel around world map (warping rather than walking).
Some of the graphics are nice I also only have 20GB HDD (damn your restrictive hardware policy MSoft) and that has my Fable 2 install on it. The slowdown and texture pop in looks to me like a caching issue which while very occasionally is annoying overall it does not ruin the enjoyment of this title.
The voice acting is way above any of the JRPG's released for the 360 so far (still not award material but bloody good imo). Also Game are selling this in store for 20 notes at the moment which in my opinion is a veritable bargain.
Bearing in mind that what I have written is based on only 6 hours with the game.
Haha. A bag of s**te is a bag of s**te, no matter what console it lives on! Valkyrie Chronicles is a better game 'if' you own a PS3. If you don't, then Fable 2 is the best RPG on the market right now and has the benefit of not being a tedious Japanese trawl.
How's that for a Sony boy?
Quite what I expect, seeing as according to your gamercard stats you havent played Last Remnant how are you qualified to say it's s**te?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
Your evidence that I haven't read the article is where? If you had taken the time to read Dustins ramblings you would see he wasn't even talking about the article. He was rambling about figures.
Guess that would make you a TOOL (you don't have to look that one up Marty).
Voodoo in juvenile response shocker!! Now you're Option 4! UpToNoGood was talking about the article, you were talking about his comment. BOTH MS and Sony constantly say the Wii isn't competition. It is, so it comes down to sales. Take off those Sony specs Voodoo.
I seem to recall sega saying to "do the math" as their advert slogan to show how much better the Saturn's 2 CPUs was comapared to PSone. Where is sega saturn now?
Mines where its always been, under my telly. A REAL corker of a games console, and proof (if proof was needed) that sales means nothing about quality of games.
whats a stupid comment, the Xbox 360's been out 13 months long than the PS3, yet its still selling more units worldwide every week in its 3rd year?....so that totally kills what this idiot is saying.
its no wonder why a lot of Sony fanpups think the way they do when they listen to crack like this.
what this is, is simply Sony cannot take being in last place, so they shout the loudest crap in order to gain media support. I hope Microsoft come up with yet another price cut and stomp Sony out of the Universe again! or just wait for the pS3 to drop, and then drop the 360 on the same week...lol. Sony have forgotten there way, thinking gamers would buy into any old crap.
I seem to recall sega saying to "do the math" as their advert slogan to show how much better the Saturn's 2 CPUs was comapared to PSone. Where is sega saturn now?
Mines where its always been, under my telly. A REAL corker of a games console, and proof (if proof was needed) that sales means nothing about quality of games.
And i'll second that. Never got Panzer Saga though
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
Your evidence that I haven't read the article is where? If you had taken the time to read Dustins ramblings you would see he wasn't even talking about the article. He was rambling about figures.
Guess that would make you a TOOL (you don't have to look that one up Marty).
Voodoo in juvenile response shocker!! Now you're Option 4! UpToNoGood was talking about the article, you were talking about his comment. BOTH MS and Sony constantly say the Wii isn't competition. It is, so it comes down to sales. Take off those Sony specs Voodoo.
I think you need a pair of specs, you quoted The_KFD_Case and not UpToNoGood but don't let that little fact kick you off your high horse. Idiot.
I cant blame him,(Kaz)for what he said.The ps2 has out lived both the xbox and the gamecube.... and he seems to be a lot less arrogant then Ken Kutaragy.Also MS may support the 360 for a longer period of time than they did xbox (hopefully).
" and that stuff about the wii is rubbish, a console is a console. if the 360 was that far ahead they would say 'oh we're not competing with them as they have dvd and not blu ray', come off it.
Where in the entire interview does he say the Wii is rubbish? Some of you guys seriously go out of your way to be insulted. How many people posting have actually read the whole interview?
Let me help you out Voodoo. He said the STATEMENT about the Wii was rubbish.
For you Voodoo/Option 4. Once again, take off the Sony Specs.
I seem to recall sega saying to "do the math" as their advert slogan to show how much better the Saturn's 2 CPUs was comapared to PSone. Where is sega saturn now?
Mines where its always been, under my telly. A REAL corker of a games console, and proof (if proof was needed) that sales means nothing about quality of games.
And i'll second that. Never got Panzer Saga though
Actually the "Do the Math" slogan was Atari's for their "64-Bit" Jaguar console. And Panzer Saga was awesome and alive and well in my game collection.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
Thats because we will all be playing the XBOX 720 by the time sony recoops their money on the ill fated PS3. By that time we will see if they decide to release a PS4.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
That's actually what you were quoting, idiot.
Going in the right direction Voodo(sinking really deep again) i wonder why you feel the need to resort to personal insults??
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
That's actually what you were quoting, idiot.
The other quote was an example of you not being able to comprehend what others write...
I seem to recall sega saying to "do the math" as their advert slogan to show how much better the Saturn's 2 CPUs was comapared to PSone. Where is sega saturn now?
where is the PSone now? they're both in the history books. both had good games, both had bad games. so what?
the 'do the math' advert slogon was to say the saturn had 2 processors. well, you know what? it did, believe it or not, have 2 processors.
or are you trying to say that because the ps1 sold better that it was the better console? if thats the case, lets apply that logic to this generation! lets have a look at the sales of the ps3...
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
take your medicine Dustin, there's a good boy.
lol! Scraping the bottom of the barrel and coming up short as usual, Voodoo? Must suck to be that desperate and not even making a dent.
I just love it when the Sony fanboys pull that lame-duck statistic out of their backsides. How many PS2 units shipped during the same point in lifespan compared to the PS3? I want hard, verifiable figures or it might as well be made up fluff. I'm inclined to accept the claim but evidence would be helpful. Even with evidence the argument itself is still preposterous as it relies solely on the hope that future sales of the PS3 will mirror and/or surpass present PS3 sales and/or those of the PS2 in the past. There is nothing that guarantees this will be the case and with many people feeling pinched economically that's hardly bound to favour the PS3 pricing structure. Give it up and find a defensible argument.
f**k me English isn't your first language is it dude?
You want evidence but you'll believe it even without evidence then you can't believe it even with evidence. No one cares!
You will forgive me if I don't take you as a sterling example of how to write (nor speak for that matter I suspect,) where it pertains to the English language. Why don't you go look up the concept of "reading comprehension"? It might do wonders for you. Still, I wager that you couldn't conceive of any truly useful counter-argument and thus resorted to your usual trite and tired tactic of character assassination, and as usual it is singularly unimpressive. Now, do you have anything further to add that might be construed as constructive by even the most lenient of standards?
Don't waste your time responding to Voodoo. He complains that people don't read the articles properly, but then proceeds to play ignorant when you point out that it's him who hasn't read the article properly.
In other words, he's a WUM.
Hehehe. Thanks for the heads-up. WUD? White Uneducated Delinquent? If so then it reminds me of the acronym "NED" used in Scotland (Non-Educated Delinquent). That said, if I recall correctly Voodoo isn't actually uneducated though I find his unique brand of charm is wearing thin.
I don't understand why Sony execs are so arrogant. They must be drinking some special fruit punch from the water coolers over there, and thats exactly why they are on board a sinking ship.
Hey, I've bought all of the major consoles beginning before the Atari 2600, including the PS1, PS2 and now I just got a PS3 to go along with my X360. I bought the PS3 primarily for Blu-ray movies. I have to tell you. Sony Exec...X360 does games and the online experience much better...are you listening??? (Of course you are not...you are too busy trying to bail water out of your ship!).
"Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years"
Last time I CHECKED MS only came out with one console before the 360...why is he talking like there is a string of consoles that were only out a short time by MS? Its obvious MS wanted the get a jump on Sony....and they sure did!
Hehehe. Thanks for the heads-up. WUD? White Uneducated Delinquent? If so then it reminds me of the acronym "NED" used in Scotland (Non-Educated Delinquent). That said, if I recall correctly Voodoo isn't actually uneducated though I find his unique brand of charm is wearing thin.
Awww I've obviously insulted you..
don't want to shock you but if you read it he wasn't even defending you
I finally have enough cash to get eithe a 360 or a ps3.
I'm torn though and just dont know!! What shall I get to sit next to my (dusty)Wii?
Can you wait until Summer to see if the PS3 gets a price cut by then (and maybe the Xbox 360 will get another one)? If you aren't in a rush I'd wait a few months at least.
Hehehe. Thanks for the heads-up. WUD? White Uneducated Delinquent? If so then it reminds me of the acronym "NED" used in Scotland (Non-Educated Delinquent). That said, if I recall correctly Voodoo isn't actually uneducated though I find his unique brand of charm is wearing thin.
Awww I've obviously insulted you..
don't want to shock you but if you read it he wasn't even defending you
Insulted? You flatter yourself. Mildly bemusing? For now though as I already stated I find you of limited interest. Finally, whether he was or wasn't defending me is somewhat irrelevant as I do not require another person on these forums to defend me from the likes of you (though I do appreciate the friendly gesture when it is made). What he was doing was commenting on at least one of your perceived shortcomings and in this particular instance that resulted in an overlap of perception between he and I. Now do you get it?
[ What he was doing was commenting on at least one of your perceived shortcomings and in this particular instance that resulted in an overlap of perception between he and I.
PS One won its console war, PS 2 won its console war, PS 3 had a slow start in sales and games but it has proved to be the best console. Sixaxies and price aside, the machine has pretty much dominated asian and european sales with a network service, which used to rival Live, now floggs it (home, life, internet browser and not to forget 'free' access) with its first games like Resistance running without a strutter. Followed by MGS4, Resistance 2, Drakes Fortune, Motorstorm Pacific Rift, Gran Tourismo pro, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank while looking forward to Killzone 2, White Knight Cron, Heavy Rain, Infamous, DC Universe, Gran Tourismo 5, Drake 2 etc Wii is selling to families because of its principle gimick (wave the sticks to play crass mini games) but very few developers outside 2 or 3 Miyamoto games have every truly produced anything great on the platform. Added with the puny (cheap) technology inside it shows that unless in the hands of the best developers its future remains the same as its current run (200 kak games to the 1 decent game) My friend got excited because she got Wall.e! I recommend Mario Galaxy and she went ... eh?
Hehehe. Thanks for the heads-up. WUD? White Uneducated Delinquent? If so then it reminds me of the acronym "NED" used in Scotland (Non-Educated Delinquent). That said, if I recall correctly Voodoo isn't actually uneducated though I find his unique brand of charm is wearing thin.
Awww I've obviously insulted you..
don't want to shock you but if you read it he wasn't even defending you
Insulted? You flatter yourself. Mildly bemusing? For now though as I already stated I find you of limited interest. Finally, whether he was or wasn't defending me is somewhat irrelevant as I do not require another person on these forums to defend me from the likes of you (though I do appreciate the friendly gesture when it is made). What he was doing was commenting on at least one of your perceived shortcomings and in this particular instance that resulted in an overlap of perception between he and I. Now do you get it?
Spot on explanation there! I wonder if it'll sink in...
I finally have enough cash to get eithe a 360 or a ps3.
I'm torn though and just dont know!! What shall I get to sit next to my (dusty)Wii?
Can you wait until Summer to see if the PS3 gets a price cut by then (and maybe the Xbox 360 will get another one)? If you aren't in a rush I'd wait a few months at least.
Yeah I think I may wait a while and se how prices go. I'm in no rush at present. Thanks for the advice
There is a reason consoles never have more than a 5 year cycle. Technology jumps a hell of a lot in 5 years. The PS3 will have the power of a standard PC in 10 years time, and cinematic graphics will be well established by then. The PS3 simply wouldn't cope with the level of detail. You should have focused on ripping people off like you normally do and make money rather than losing it.
[ What he was doing was commenting on at least one of your perceived shortcomings and in this particular instance that resulted in an overlap of perception between he and I.
Well, I guess we'll all see, sooner or later, but for now I'm just about sick of hearing this crap about the PS3 being better than the 360, I'll believe it when I can see it!
I'm sorry, did you say PSN flogs Live? S******... Really?
Man, what ever you are smoking on, I'll have some of that!
If that was the case, I wouldn't buy the 360 version of any multi format titles I am after that I intend to play online, and that speaks volumes.
I can see people love their PS3's and lets face it, it was always going to have a fan base even if it had done worse than it has so far, but talking rubbish like that isn't going to help any points you are making be taken seriously.
And then you list Home as a positive! Ha ha ha ha! It's like the worlds worst menu system!
Phew... Man, you should be on stage with comedy like that.
Seriously though, PS3 has positives, and there are a few games I am really looking forward to, but if you want to compare, it's network is nowhere near as good as Live. Again, this is a fact.
Guess that would make you a TOOL (you don't have to look that one up Marty).
No, TOOL I can just about handle, ta.
lets be honnest here marty and his gay little gang are all a bunch of women!!! if you lot want to play a real games console a mans console then get a ps3 or you should just hand in your man card and go whatch some east enders.
I have a gang? Awesome! <imagines Xbox Jets vs Sony Sharks style rumbles. Involving singing>
Mans console? WTF? Firstly, what the chuff do you know about being a man? Being, what, 14? Second, what the HELL about a console makes it 'a mans console'? It's a frikkin' machine to play games on. Don't overthink it, that's all it is. There is nothing manly about that. Get a grip.
This thread sure did explode into the evening. Don't you people play games?
This thread sure did explode into the evening. Don't you people play games?
Therein lies the problem with PS3 owners. Too much time on their hands.
You don't often see these type of arguments in the Xbox forum and my guess is that it's the result of the terrific number of titles available. I still think the PS3 needs a AAA* shooter and until this happens Live will be the dominant hippo.
KZ2 is looking good but I can't help but feel it's still just another shooter in the Timeplitters/COD vein. They need the Sony equivalent of Gears!
But thats no surprise as most of you are just a bunch of ex chavs that only joined the console market when the PS1 came out. And from there on in, you have expected success with a s**tload of generic titles.
I feel pity for you. People such as myself, who were around in the ERA of SNES & Megadrive know all about dissapointment, and how things like a dreamcast console lifespan can be suddenly flip reversed, even though it was a top quality console.
You see you Fanboys of sony are not used to coming second place, Sony has this godly status to them. Well guess what....Your time is up. You have had your run for the past 10+ years, now you will see what a real console war is all about. Microsoft aint no Sega, they will not fail. They WILL take this market one day or another GURANTEED.
Sick of you little asses, that even with undeniable proof in front of you, you still deny whats happening to you. Like sheep to the slaughter. I want to cuddle and embrace you...
Start playing some real games, get on live, and enjoy. Muppets.
OH and another point I know you are on your last legs. BUT PLEASE stop hoping that the PS3 will get easier to program for and THUS create the most amazing 3D GAME EVER. It not gonna happen, and if it does...360 will match. READ the facts....
Xbox 360 has a Better GPU More efficient CPU Better online service Better games ( Including all your games) (S******) Better price
Stop going on about your FKIN CELL processor, that dont mean sh*T!
When you run the most expensive graphics card on a pc on a dual core and the same on a Quad core the processor has very little function for the GPU. DUMBASSES
You claim to quote me and yet you fail to get the letters in my ID lined-up in the correct order. For shame.
you're that thick you don't even know when you're being insulted
Speaking of being thick apparently you failed to grasp even the rudimentary basisc of quoting someone (including the quotation marks). Deny it or spin it all you want, Voodoo, but you got called on an error you made and subsequent harebrained struggling on your part to make it appear to be anything but that has been anything but convincing...Then again that's the standard course of things for you, isn't it? Two words come to mind when dealing with these little "gem" posts of yours: "Quaint" and "Pathetic". Eat your heart out.
Speaking of being thick apparently you failed to grasp even the rudimentary basisc of quoting someone (including the quotation marks).
If you're going to accuse anyone of being thick at least try to get the spelling of basic correct. Just means I read your rant and thought "what an idiot".
Therein lies the problem with PS3 owners. Too much time on their hands
how many profiles do you have now Shmuppet and how many times have you been warned about trolling the Playstation forums?
I'd hate to see how you Xbox fanboys would react if someone at Sony really slagged your console.
Wake up boy! I thought the whole thread was about Sony slagging off Microsoft.
And to be honest it really doesn't bother me a bit because I have my own opinions on what I like and they certainly won't be changed by some bawling crybabies.
In Victorian times one was apparently able to visit a madhouse as a leisure pasttime and upon arrival they would be given a sharp stick with which to prod the agitated inmates into a frenzy.
Tis a very good analogy for the Playstation part of this forum, ho ho ho!
I imported one of those black door stoppers when it first came out, what a fckin waste of money.
I feel sorry for these people. I really do. Its like they are fckin blinded lol.
For example i have this mate, he has a 360 from day one. To cut a long story short i moved a away for a while, returned to see him after 1 year, and the mans got a DOOR STOPPER under his tv, with his 360 in a cupboard.
"Jonny, wheres your 360"????
" Oh, the door stopper looks nicer under my plasma tv + grpahics are better on PS3 + Online is free + IN TIME THEY WILL FIGURE OUT THE CONSOLE AND IT WILL GIVE BIRTH TO LITTLE MINI ME'S, IT JUST NEEDS TIME.."" WTF
Speaking of being thick apparently you failed to grasp even the rudimentary basisc of quoting someone (including the quotation marks).
If you're going to accuse anyone of being thick at least try to get the spelling of basic correct. Just means I read your rant and thought "what an idiot".
A slight slip of two keys near each other - unfortunate. However, one does have to wonder why you take such an interest in my words if they are indeed those of an "idiot"? Speaking of which, it seems you are a broken record stuck on name-calling both myself and others with that particular derogatory term. You strike me as a sad and petty sort of "man", Voodoo. I say "man" because I think it's generous to group you with others who have displayed far more wit, integrity, courage, spirit, civility and consideration than it seems you will ever know if you continue along your currently deteriorating path. Keep digging my good man, keep digging.
Therein lies the problem with PS3 owners. Too much time on their hands
how many profiles do you have now Shmuppet and how many times have you been warned about trolling the Playstation forums?
I'd hate to see how you Xbox fanboys would react if someone at Sony really slagged your console.
Wake up boy! I thought the whole thread was about Sony slagging off Microsoft.
And to be honest it really doesn't bother me a bit because I have my own opinions on what I like and they certainly won't be changed by some bawling crybabies.
In Victorian times one was apparently able to visit a madhouse as a leisure pasttime and upon arrival they would be given a sharp stick with which to prod the agitated inmates into a frenzy.
Tis a very good analogy for the Playstation part of this forum, ho ho ho!
LOL! That was classic and it made me snicker out loud in the office. Thank you for that, sir.
Oh and please forgive the typos, i am using my new sony laptop. Bloody thing got a keyboard built for midgets.
Hehehe. You don't have to apologise to, nor defend yourself from, the likes of Voodoo. It only encourages them and the rather blatant psychological warfare 101 tactics employed (i.e. simplistic bullying). I do think spelling and eloquence are things of value yet I also tend to try and avoid becoming a spelling nazi these days.
A slight slip of two keys near each other - unfortunate. However, one does have to wonder why you take such an interest in my words if they are indeed those of an "idiot"? Speaking of which, it seems you are a broken record stuck on name-calling both myself and others with that particular derogatory term. You strike me as a sad and petty sort of "man", Voodoo. I say "man" because I think it's generous to group you with others who have displayed far more wit, integrity, courage, spirit, civility and consideration than it seems you will ever know if you continue along your currently deteriorating path. Keep digging my good man, keep digging.
Let me think about this, you write a pile of rubbish slagging me then take offence when I laugh at your errors and call you an idiot. Once again Pot.Kettle.Black. Then again that just sums you. If you don't like it don't read it and then you won't keep spitting the dummy out.
Would you please go and log in as LordVonPS3? I find the "style" you use for his posting so much more eloquent and topical than the style you adopt for doodoo341.
Hehehe. You don't have to apologise to, nor defend yourself from, the likes of Voodoo. It only encourages them and the rather blatant psychological warfare 101 tactics employed (i.e. simplistic bullying). I do think spelling and eloquence are things of value yet I also tend to try and avoid becoming a spelling nazi these days.
You really are just one big double standard aren't you. You tried to slag me off for not using the correct quotations a few posts ago and now you have the nerve to complain about the spelling nazi's. awwww poor KDF... getting bullied.
Hehehe. You don't have to apologise to, nor defend yourself from, the likes of Voodoo. It only encourages them and the rather blatant psychological warfare 101 tactics employed (i.e. simplistic bullying). I do think spelling and eloquence are things of value yet I also tend to try and avoid becoming a spelling nazi these days.
You really are just one big double standard aren't you. You tried to slag me off for not using the correct quotations a few posts ago and now you have the nerve to complain about the spelling nazi's. awwww poor KDF... getting bullied.
As much as I love this t*t for tat, did we ever meet resolution on that 'the STATEMENT was rubbish, not the Wii' arguement that started all this?
I'm sorry but you guys should really all lay off voodoo. He can't help that he's a snide, pathetic, unimaginative nimrod.
There is no use fighting the man he is the most impossible thing to debate with. An educated idiot.
Once again pot kettle black. I can never remember you debating anything MONKEY then again that wouldn't be the first claim you made that turned out to be untrue would it?
A slight slip of two keys near each other - unfortunate. However, one does have to wonder why you take such an interest in my words if they are indeed those of an "idiot"? Speaking of which, it seems you are a broken record stuck on name-calling both myself and others with that particular derogatory term. You strike me as a sad and petty sort of "man", Voodoo. I say "man" because I think it's generous to group you with others who have displayed far more wit, integrity, courage, spirit, civility and consideration than it seems you will ever know if you continue along your currently deteriorating path. Keep digging my good man, keep digging.
Let me think about this, you write a pile of rubbish slagging me then take offence when I laugh at your errors and call you an idiot. Once again Pot.Kettle.Black. Then again that just sums you. If you don't like it don't read it and then you won't keep spitting the dummy out.
Now apply all of that to yourself and truer words were rarely spoken or written for that matter, Voodoo. I'd throw you a quarter so you could go buy a clue if I thought it might help. Even the miniscule amount of sense such a low denomination of currency might afford would still seem to vastly improve on your current deficit of the aforementioned. You don't ever get to call me nor anyone else a pot, kettle nor black until you successfully pull off a 180 degree turn-about in disposition. Just as I won't hold my breath for this to happen neither will I wait for you to finish thinking; the end result of doing either might result in my death before you are finished.
Hehehe. You don't have to apologise to, nor defend yourself from, the likes of Voodoo. It only encourages them and the rather blatant psychological warfare 101 tactics employed (i.e. simplistic bullying). I do think spelling and eloquence are things of value yet I also tend to try and avoid becoming a spelling nazi these days.
You really are just one big double standard aren't you. You tried to slag me off for not using the correct quotations a few posts ago and now you have the nerve to complain about the spelling nazi's. awwww poor KDF... getting bullied.
Correction: You are *trying* to bully me and others yet as usual your shallow and disingenuous tactics fall short of the mark. Bet you are used to that in life, eh Voodoo?
I'm sorry but you guys should really all lay off voodoo. He can't help that he's a snide, pathetic, unimaginative nimrod.
There is no use fighting the man he is the most impossible thing to debate with. An educated idiot.
A salient point. However, this is not debating; this is merely humoring an upstart while refusing to succumb to his brownbeating in the hopes that neither he nor others of his ilk have a free-run of this forum unopposed. Their particular brand of madness is not something I wish to see dominate without alternative points of view.
Once again pot kettle black. I can never remember you debating anything MONKEY then again that wouldn't be the first claim you made that turned out to be untrue would it?
here's a mirror . have a good look at yourself, then get back to me.
As for myself i like to think of myself as a bit of an intellectual fool. you see the real wisdom lies in believeing that you know nothing. then you can't carry preconceptions and leaves your mind open.
I have theories and conjecture. i'd never say anything that i had an opinion on was definate fact. that'd just be idiotic and naieve.
I'm sorry but you guys should really all lay off voodoo. He can't help that he's a snide, pathetic, unimaginative nimrod.
There is no use fighting the man he is the most impossible thing to debate with. An educated idiot.
A salient point. However, this is not debating; this is merely humoring an upstart while refusing to succumb to his brownbeating in the hopes that neither he nor others of his ilk have a free-run of this forum unopposed. Their particular brand of madness is not something I wish to see dominate without alternative points of view.
A noble cause indeed KFD and one I at least, in my own twisted way try to help. Although I am too prone to occasional outbursts. then again aren't we all.
in theory a forum as the name suggests should be a place for free and open discussion, however like its namesake it does often digenerate into name calling and heckling from all parties, oh well!
the 360 and the ps3 have similiar specs in terms of graphics and cpu. the difference is blu ray and dvd. this however, is an absolute joke. in a few years blu ray may well over take dvd as the industry standard, i completely agree with that. however everything else in terms of cpu power and graphics will have moved on!
its like what it would be like if the original ps1 used DVD! great, you can store loads of stuff but the graphics are terrible!
im telling you in 4 years time (while sony are into their lovely ps3 life cycle) there will be bigger and better consoles, which may well have blu ray storage, but the graphics will have moved on. the ps2 was a case of perfect timing, the rising of DVD and the power of the ps2 were parallel. ps3 and blue ray im not so confident. and the consumers dont seem to be either judging by the sales.
A salient point. However, this is not debating; this is merely humoring an upstart while refusing to succumb to his brownbeating in the hopes that neither he nor others of his ilk have a free-run of this forum unopposed. Their particular brand of madness is not something I wish to see dominate without alternative points of view.
KFD defender of the Microsoft cause
Kind of rich saying you never talk about games or know anything about the consoles.
A salient point. However, this is not debating; this is merely humoring an upstart while refusing to succumb to his brownbeating in the hopes that neither he nor others of his ilk have a free-run of this forum unopposed. Their particular brand of madness is not something I wish to see dominate without alternative points of view.
KFD defender of the Microsoft cause
Kind of rich saying you never talk about games or know anything about the consoles.
Amazing. Again you manage to completely miss the point, inaccurately report what was previously said and manage to shoot yourself in the foot in the process. Let's take each comment one at a time:
1) If you possess the mental acuity - which is admittedly increasingly doubtful gauging by some of your responses - you will notice that I did not mention anything about defending MS. Furthermore I have made critical comments of MS, amongst others, on this site. That you are disingenuous enough to outright lie and attempt to pass of misinformation as fact in order to pad your own lacking coherent arguments speaks volumes about your character and your methods, Voodoo. Neither are particularly endearing at present.
2) My favourite part is this little beauty of a quote from you: "Kind of rich saying you never talk about games or know anything about the consoles".
You are absolutely right. I don't go around "never talking about games" nor do I not "know anything about consoles". I'm ever so glad you finally see at least a ray of light and have admitted as much publicly.
For all those Sony Lovers http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=206517
Kazuo Hirai Sounds dellusional to me, what he thinks and what's happening are two different things. And as for Nintendo not being a serious competitor...u got to be kinding me!!! Ha ha ha.
P.s I used to be a sony Lover, but I stopped believing all the hype when they consistently failed to deliver!
And as for 30mins to DL a demo, 30mins to install and 30mins to do system update! WHAT A JOKE!!!
I don't know about u guys but if i had a ps3 i wouldn't wanna be playing the same system for Ten years, after 4-5 years of playing a system i literally want to just throw it away or pack it away some where in the house. I need something fresh every 4-5 or 6 years, so i prefer the 360 4-5 year plan. anybody else agree with me
I don't know about u guys but if i had a ps3 i wouldn't wanna be playing the same system for Ten years, after 4-5 years of playing a system i literally want to just throw it away or pack it away some where in the house. I need something fresh every 4-5 or 6 years, so i prefer the 360 4-5 year plan. anybody else agree with me
Yes from a hardware point of view in that it needs updating, but one thing to remember the original PSX only discontinued in 2006(I was actually surprised finding that one out). I cannot see Sony not having another machine ready in about 5-6 years.
Who knows what their plans are as they are not giving a lot away.
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(runs away). Seriously guys most people have both consoles anyway, so it doesnt matter who wins as long as they keep the games coming!
