Sony has come under pressure from a number of developers to drop the price of PS3.
"Sony obviously still has a ways to go with their pricing," EA Sports boss Peter Moore told Bloomberg. He said that EA is committed to PS3 and that he expects a price cut eventually, but added of Nintendo: "You can't ignore the guy who has half the market."
"Anytime a console manufacturer reduces the price, software publishers benefit," Ubisoft chief executive Yves Guillemot also said.
Meanwhile, Media Molecule co-founder Alex Evans told Gamasutra that a price drop would help improve PS3's market share.
"They've had all these, you know, SingStars and the EyeToy games. They've had their casual gaming audience on the PS2, and they have to translate that over to PS3 now.
"As they do that, I'll be very happy with that, because that's how I see PS3 growing. That's why I'm kind of comfortable with it for now... As soon as they drop their price, ho ho ho."
According to Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey, failure to drop the PS3's price could see studios shift their development funds to Wii.
"If they can't meaningfully increase their install base, then you will likely see a capital reallocation," he told Bloomberg.
Many are expecting Sony to introduce a PS3 price cut after the close of its financial year at the end of March. However, Sony has yet confirm any such plans and obviously won't until the price cut is almost upon us.
"Everybody in the development community would love for the PS3 to be free, so they could just sell razor blades," Peter Dille, Sony Computer Entertainment America's senior vice president of marketing, told the financial site, noting that Sony is as concerned with profitability as it is PS3's installed base.
i thought they made thier cash from games. It needs a price cut, its getting flack from all sides. So they should just do it already.
I wouldn't mind more devs funding games on the wii though. Hopefully more great stuff like madworld and the conduit would come out of it. But when publishers start turning thier back on a console you know its in for some trouble.
wheeey about time, come on developers gang up on em, give the millions who haven't got one but want one a chance i say! Sony really have to start thinking about units shifted and sold than anything else ever!!!If they aint profiting from the console now then why hesitate with a price drop, they'll sell millions and millions more!look at the buggatti veyron and the amount of money they lost on each car sold, but look at its status in todays world and how it will go down in history! follow suit i say lol!
If I was a developer, I'd be more worried about Nintendo raising the price of the Wii. Eventually, both the 360 and PS3 will be cheaper than the Wii and that makes me laugh.
So we have Developers who are quite close to Sony telling them that they need a price drop yet there are some on here who say that they dont.
Jebus Christ, Sony! Reduce your price now!!! The Wii turning into the lead consoles for Devs? I dread to think what that would be like.
Drop the price and I reckon there is a few on here that would be buying one, me included. Im hoping for some news at E3 but then again my glass is always half full.
To be fair, isnt it just totally ridiculous that this didnt happen at least a year ago?
After reading this, I actually feel a bit sorry for the Wii. I mean, what else can it do?!
Its sold by the bucketload and has pretty much trashed the PS3 since it was released, and yet devs are only just threatening to move their money over to Wii?! Who runs these companies?! Do they wanna make money or not?!
I've always said I would buy one if it had 5 exclusives that I really care about (at the moment it's got 2, potentially 3) but a price drop would make me change my mind a little.
(And before anyone starts no I don't care about Resistance, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid, Little big planet or God of war... It's my choice so deal with it!)
I was always a staunch PS fan until they messed around so much that I considered buying an Xbox 360, The announcment of exclusive content for GTA clinched it for me.
I'm not going to be drawn into an argument on this. I'm sure you all love your PS3's as I love my Xbox 360. Now let's leave it at that eh? Let's all get along as gamers and prove to outsiders that gaming is not just the domain of small children by not arguing like small children.
Sony may care for profits of the PS3 but surely if they wait too long to reduce the price, developers won't be happy and will be going to the other consoles? I know Sony have to recoup losses to make the business seem profitable but at the same time the price difference is huge now...
Yeah, the PS3 needs a price cut, but the wii has been outselling it for something like 28 months all over the world, yet most developers still haven't really bothered with the wii and/or seem to have no idea how to utilise the controls.
Are developers going to be prepared to limit their games graphically on the wii? You'd think the 360 would benefit more than the wii.
Still as a wii owner, I hope they do put more effort into the wii and less into the ps3. The PS3 has plenty of exclusives this year!
The problem is that Sony are between a rock and a hard place - damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Out of interest, what price do people think the PS3 should retail at to appeal more to the masses? Obviously, bearing everything in mind.
It's going to have to be around the Ł199 mark if they want to really attract the masses to the PS3. I can't see them dropping below Ł249 if they were to drop the price.
The problem is that Sony are between a rock and a hard place - damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Out of interest, what price do people think the PS3 should retail at to appeal more to the masses? Obviously, bearing everything in mind.
i'd say Ł200 or there and there abouts for the base model. its a tough call though, if sony cant afford it then it wont happen.
in terms of the wii its surprising devs havent made the jump already due to potential customers being so numerous. perhaps nintendo arent trying hard enough to entice devs, sony have worked really hard to get devs working well on the ps3 and ms worked really hard upfront to make the 360 attractive to code for.
If they were to drop the PS3 to Ł200, how much of a loss would they actually be taking per unit? Is there any point selling a product that loses you Ł50+ per item just to expand the installed base that will initially hit your company for potentially billions.
Sure they'll make money on the software and Blu-Ray disk sales, but that will take time to recoup, and I'm sure that if Sony genuinely could justify a price drop they'd already have done it, it's not like they don't want to shift more consoles.
Well, that is key to it all, isn't it? If Sony did drop the price to Ł199.99, would they sell enough games to warrant the drop? As a lot of new PS3 owners would probably own a 360 as well, wouldn't they just buy the Sony exclusives?
The problem with the Wii is that like previous nintendo consoles it has a low attach rate when it comes to software that is not nintendo made.
Look at the NPD numbers in america and you'll see the 360 dominates the charts and the PS3 regularly gets in there despite its smaller userbase. This is because there is a higher casual gamer adoption rate for the Wii, these people tend not to buy games as habitually as those who own the 360 and PS3 and therefore developers do not profit from releasing games on the console.
This explains the Wii's lack of games and why the 360 is the preferred lead format (the other reason is that its possible to do a PS3 port of the 360 version)
To be honest, I personally wouldn't buy a PS3 because I have an 360 and a wii. Am not going to have the time or money for three consoles, so the price of the PS3 has effectively already priced me out of the market. And I have about twelve games for my 360 and have owned about 25 for the wii at various times (traded loads in to get the 360), so Sony would have made money out of me, even selling at a loss.
If I was to buy a PS3 I would sell my 360. Which I don't plan to do right now.
If I didn't own either a Ł199 PS3 and Ł180 Elite would be a very tough call. It would all depend on the exclusives this year.
The problem with the Wii is that like previous nintendo consoles it has a low attach rate when it comes to software that is not nintendo made.
Look at the NPD numbers in america and you'll see the 360 dominates the charts and the PS3 regularly gets in there despite its smaller userbase. This is because there is a higher casual gamer adoption rate for the Wii, these people tend not to buy games as habitually as those who own the 360 and PS3 and therefore developers do not profit from releasing games on the console.
This explains the Wii's lack of games and why the 360 is the preferred lead format (the other reason is that its possible to do a PS3 port of the 360 version)
The attach rate of the Wii is far higher than that of the PS3 and very close to that of the 360. The lack of games has come from the developers not taking it seriously enough at the beginning and then not skilled enough thereafter. We are ssing a few developers being able to produce good games (without the flashy graphics to hide behind) but the rest seem lost. It seems that gameplay died out with the 16 bit era
I think Sony are reluctant to reduce the price, because all other areas of their business is failing. Was it 95% in profits they'd lost? Something like that. Essentially, they need the PS3 to remain at a high price, or I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony go bust, at this rate, and with the current financial climate. I'd love the price to be cut, but even if there will be a price cut, it'd be no more than Ł30 - Ł50, I think. I already own a PS3, have done since around March last year, but for my friends who don't have one, it sucks ATM.
And, as Tonyb says,they're already losing money for each unit they sell. It's not really a great time to reduce the price, at the moment. They know they have the fanbase, so perhaps that's why they're reluctant.
devs leading big name franchises on the wii aint gonna happen.
yes, they are out to make money. but they want to push the boundaries also; make something they are proud of.
it is like Man U etc playing in the little league.
fun - yes. rewarding, no.
Pushing the boundries with games is much more than graphics. Look at RE5 for instance, graphically it is stunning but gameplay wise it has leapt back a generation when compared to RE4 Wii.
Also look at Darwinia, Graphically it is very cool but not state of the art, however gameplay wise it was fantastic!
Little Big Planet is another example, The graphics are nice but nothing special, the physics routines could be done on wii or even PSP yet the game is great due to the innovative gameplay.
Games are about gameplay, graphics can help or hinder this, they are however often the icing on the cake rather than the delicious cake itself.
I've always said I would buy one if it had 5 exclusives that I really care about (at the moment it's got 2, potentially 3) but a price drop would make me change my mind a little.
(And before anyone starts no I don't care about Resistance, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid, Little big planet or God of war... It's my choice so deal with it!)
Wow - what 2(or 3) exclusives are you interested in then?
According to Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey, failure to drop the PS3's price could see studios shift their development funds to Wii.
Mike Hickey, why is that name familure? Oh hold on, he's the tool that said Sony where about to release a version of the PS3 with a Blu Ray drive. The guy obviously knows what he's talking about.
There were a lot of rumours about a PS3 redesign and price drop around this Easter. I can see Sony holding off now until September and doing it then and backing it up with Uncharted 2 and God of War promotions. Ł199 is a sweet spot price for the PS3.
Pushing the boundries with games is much more than graphics. Look at RE5 for instance, graphically it is stunning but gameplay wise it has leapt back a generation when compared to RE4 Wii.
Also look at Darwinia, Graphically it is very cool but not state of the art, however gameplay wise it was fantastic!
Little Big Planet is another example, The graphics are nice but nothing special, the physics routines could be done on wii or even PSP yet the game is great due to the innovative gameplay.
Games are about gameplay, graphics can help or hinder this, they are however often the icing on the cake rather than the delicious cake itself.
Why no mention of the Xbox 360. According to Eric Brown (EA) since Microsoft lowered the price of the 360 it has gained a 40% sales advantage over the PS3:-
I think Ł199 would be the magic number but i can't see a drop that extreme happening. Ł249 also sounds like one hell of a good deal though! What do i care, I've already got a PS3 and am currently enjoying some fantastic gaming. Killzone 2.. what a game.
Why no mention of the Xbox 360. According to Eric Brown (EA) since Microsoft lowered the price of the 360 it has gained a 40% sales advantage over the PS3:-
because this is about the ps3 not the xbox, kind of a given!a price drop is coming to the ps3, its just the console is technically doing well for its price, im guessing its near the 23mil mark now! so thas not bad at all, im thinkin later this year closer to xmas maybe, but would love the price to drop soon though as alot of friends and people i know want one.
i still think it was worth the Ł425 i payed for it. i doubt it will go right down to Ł200.
mines still has BC, so i ordered crazy taxi the other day for Ł1.20 - bargain - the postage costed more. was gonna get yakuza 1 and 2. Ł5 and Ł15 respectively. may get them next time.
I agree that if Sony dropped the price of the base unit to Ł199 it'd sell, but a Ł249 price point could also work if the machine was bundled with a decent exclusive game.
However other than the obvious there isn't anything thats really catching my eye on the PS3 or 360 this year. The wii seems to be drawing me back in and by the looks of things if more devs get on board thats where i'll be staying.
i still think it was worth the Ł425 i payed for it. i doubt it will go right down to Ł200.
mines still has BC, so i ordered crazy taxi the other day for Ł1.20 - bargain - the postage costed more. was gonna get yakuza 1 and 2. Ł5 and Ł15 respectively. may get them next time.
Now I know you hate grammar police, and though I should be loath to point out ones shortcomings in that sense this one really gets to me, it’s PAID not PAYED. ‘Payed’ is a term used for when you let out ropes!
I've always said I would buy one if it had 5 exclusives that I really care about (at the moment it's got 2, potentially 3) but a price drop would make me change my mind a little.
(And before anyone starts no I don't care about Resistance, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid, Little big planet or God of war... It's my choice so deal with it!)
Wow - what 2(or 3) exclusives are you interested in then?
LA Noire (although this is now up in the air as to exclusivity)
DC universe online (not an MMO fan but think this could be interesting if different)
And Uncharted (although it'll probably feel quite dated by the time i get round to it).
But i'm lying to myself if I didn't say the main reason is LA Noire. But as previously stated, I wouldn't buy it just for that. Out of all the people I know who game regularly only 2 out of 30 odd have PS3 and one of them spends most of his time on his Xbox. This is probably another reason why they'd be hard pressed to tear me away from the Xbox now. Too little, too late for me I think... But i could be wrong.
The problem with the Wii is that like previous nintendo consoles it has a low attach rate when it comes to software that is not nintendo made.
Look at the NPD numbers in america and you'll see the 360 dominates the charts and the PS3 regularly gets in there despite its smaller userbase. This is because there is a higher casual gamer adoption rate for the Wii, these people tend not to buy games as habitually as those who own the 360 and PS3 and therefore developers do not profit from releasing games on the console.
This explains the Wii's lack of games and why the 360 is the preferred lead format (the other reason is that its possible to do a PS3 port of the 360 version)
Hasnt the top 3 best selling games in America been Mario Kart Wii, wii Fit and Wii Play for the past few months? Even things that arent Nintendo made like Pro Evo, Mario and Sonic etc have sold really well, and big franchises like Guitar Hero have sold better on the Wii than anything else.
The low attach rate argument is simply not true. If you sell double the amount of consoles as the other companies do then your attach rate will look worse, theres just no avoiding that.
The point is though that despite some really big hitters coming out this gen like Gears 2, Halo 3 and GTA4, the biggest selling games of the generation have been Wii Play, Wii Fit, Brain Training, Nintendogs and Mario and Sonic at The Olympic Games. This is just the truth.
It defies belief that so many devs are just throwing money away like they are at the moment - no wonder so many of them are struggling to make any money whatsoever. They simply refuse to take Nintendo seriously despite the higher sales and lower production costs. From a business perspective its absolutley crazy.
I own all three consoles myself, and I actually probably use the PS3 the most, and the Wii the least by far, but it makes no sense to me that no 3rd party dev can be bothered to support it.
If that Conduit game sells really well, then I can see a massive change on the horizon. It'll be the first game I buy for the Wii since Super Smash Bros so Im hoping quite a few other Wii owners will take the plunge.
I've always said I would buy one if it had 5 exclusives that I really care about (at the moment it's got 2, potentially 3) but a price drop would make me change my mind a little.
(And before anyone starts no I don't care about Resistance, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid, Little big planet or God of war... It's my choice so deal with it!)
Wow - what 2(or 3) exclusives are you interested in then?
LA Noire (although this is now up in the air as to exclusivity)
DC universe online (not an MMO fan but think this could be interesting if different)
And Uncharted (although it'll probably feel quite dated by the time i get round to it).
But i'm lying to myself if I didn't say the main reason is LA Noire. But as previously stated, I wouldn't buy it just for that. Out of all the people I know who game regularly only 2 out of 30 odd have PS3 and one of them spends most of his time on his Xbox. This is probably another reason why they'd be hard pressed to tear me away from the Xbox now. Too little, too late for me I think... But i could be wrong.
LA Noire sounds awesome - I hope it's not exclusive to the PS3...
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Thats just not the point though is it?!
EA and Ubisoft dont make games for fun or to challenge themselves, they make them purely for money otherwise they go bust!
Also, surely coming up with clever ways to use the Wiimote is far more challenging than drawing top end graphics...
Hopefully this motionplus thing may make them sit up and take notice.
I think one of the main reasons devs have struggled with it is simply because the Wiimote is a bit s**t isnt it?
Apparently a few devs have already said its pretty spectacular. Then again they said that about the Wiimote before that came out, so lets just wait and see.
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Erm.....
Backward hardware? It is only fanboys that think the only way to move forward is to boost graphics. I rather like the fact that I have 2 next gen machines which have taken radicaly dofferent approaches. My 360 has the graphical boost and the Wii has the gameplay boost. I like them both but if the developers learn how to make good games again and release them on the wii I will be very happy. I will say again and again that gameplay is the ONLY thing that matters in a game. I would rather play pong than rise of the robots for instance!
Cutting edge can mean many things in the development world. You could for instance produce a cutting edge program for the megadrive as could easily be the way you manipulate the hardware that is cutting edge rather than the hardware itself.
I can also tell you that DEVS want to make money (especially in this current climate) The way to make money is to release for the most popular console. I am sure most of them would be producing games for the Master System if it was going to make them money.
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Thats just not the point though is it?!
EA and Ubisoft dont make games for fun or to challenge themselves, they make them purely for money otherwise they go bust!
Also, surely coming up with clever ways to use the Wiimote is far more challenging than drawing top end graphics...
Hopefully this motionplus thing may make them sit up and take notice.
I think one of the main reasons devs have struggled with it is simply because the Wiimote is a bit s**t isnt it?
Apparently a few devs have already said its pretty spectacular. Then again they said that about the Wiimote before that came out, so lets just wait and see.
The wiimote is not a bit s**t. It is perfectly fine for many of the games. However for certain aspects of certain games it does not offer the degree of motion control that is required to do what some of the devs want (eg putting proper spin on a ball in tennis etc). If you play RE4 Wii you will see exaclty how un-s**t the wiimote is when programmed properly.
LA Noire sounds awesome - I hope it's not exclusive to the PS3...
Looks like it has been canned. It was dropped from Take Twos 2009/2010 line up.
Yep... a cursory glance online doesn't suggest any different... Team Bondi haven't updated their site since May last year... not a good sign.
Damn... was thinking it was too good to be true... 4 of my gaming prayers are already being answered/ have been answered this year, 5 is just greedy...
This is what I don't get. I got the ps3 on launch, but not everyone can afford that price. Im not being up my own bottom, its just a fact. And yet, the ps3 does need to drop its price, but sony also loses money everytime they sell because of the price cuts that have already occured. They need to use cheaper hardware unfortunately if theres to be a significant price cut.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
The Wii doesn't even need an attach rate to make money. They don't sell their console at a loss. Hell it could ONLY play the pack in game and it would still be making money.
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Thats just not the point though is it?!
EA and Ubisoft dont make games for fun or to challenge themselves, they make them purely for money otherwise they go bust!
Also, surely coming up with clever ways to use the Wiimote is far more challenging than drawing top end graphics...
Hopefully this motionplus thing may make them sit up and take notice.
I think one of the main reasons devs have struggled with it is simply because the Wiimote is a bit s**t isnt it?
Apparently a few devs have already said its pretty spectacular. Then again they said that about the Wiimote before that came out, so lets just wait and see.
The wiimote is not a bit s**t. It is perfectly fine for many of the games. However for certain aspects of certain games it does not offer the degree of motion control that is required to do what some of the devs want (eg putting proper spin on a ball in tennis etc). If you play RE4 Wii you will see exaclty how un-s**t the wiimote is when programmed properly.
It is.
It was marketed as 1:1 control before it came out, but it just cant do what it promised.
It is absolutley my favourite thing to use for fps's, but lets not kid ourselves.
When we first saw Red Steel we all expected those swordfights to be 1:1 motion controlled, not two different animations.
Hopefully motionplus will give us what we all thought we had in the first place. Theres no point in defending it though is it clearly isnt as good as you thought it would be.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
What on earth do you think BUSINESSES should do?
Do you think they should just make it all for free?
The only point of ANY business in the world is to make money, and thats it. Nothing else matters at all.
You cant try and take any kind of moral highground out of it. If it didnt make money, then you wouldnt have a gaming hobby.
The Wii doesn't even need an attach rate to make money. They don't sell their console at a loss. Hell it could ONLY play the pack in game and it would still be making money.
Yea and now they expect some retailers in the UK to sell it at a loss. Nice one Nintendo.
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Thats just not the point though is it?!
EA and Ubisoft dont make games for fun or to challenge themselves, they make them purely for money otherwise they go bust!
Also, surely coming up with clever ways to use the Wiimote is far more challenging than drawing top end graphics...
Hopefully this motionplus thing may make them sit up and take notice.
I think one of the main reasons devs have struggled with it is simply because the Wiimote is a bit s**t isnt it?
Apparently a few devs have already said its pretty spectacular. Then again they said that about the Wiimote before that came out, so lets just wait and see.
The wiimote is not a bit s**t. It is perfectly fine for many of the games. However for certain aspects of certain games it does not offer the degree of motion control that is required to do what some of the devs want (eg putting proper spin on a ball in tennis etc). If you play RE4 Wii you will see exaclty how un-s**t the wiimote is when programmed properly.
It is.
It was marketed as 1:1 control before it came out, but it just cant do what it promised.
It is absolutley my favourite thing to use for fps's, but lets not kid ourselves.
When we first saw Red Steel we all expected those swordfights to be 1:1 motion controlled, not two different animations.
Hopefully motionplus will give us what we all thought we had in the first place. Theres no point in defending it though is it clearly isnt as good as you thought it would be.
It is actually as good as I thought it would be. I never remember thinking it would be 1:1 control. Obviously I would love it to be improved (just as I would like anything else improved) but for many games it is perfectly fine and my point was that there is enough there as it is for devs to make great games. Motion Plus will just give them even more to work with. If any dev says that they need Motion Plus in order to make a good game then they are talking from deep within their a$ses!
The Wii doesn't even need an attach rate to make money. They don't sell their console at a loss. Hell it could ONLY play the pack in game and it would still be making money.
Yea and now they expect some retailers in the UK to sell it at a loss. Nice one Nintendo.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit. I personally don't like the price increase as we already may more for electronics than the US even though our currency was strong. Now that it is weak they seem to think that they need to increase prices to compensate (even though they were making a truckload from us in the first place!). However retailers will not be making a loss but I do think we will see even more packages rather than individual consoles in order for retailers to make their money.
Leefear - well they seem to need some kind of excuse because they simply arent doing it.
Every now and then someone comes along and makes something totally revolutionary, daring and brilliant (Pro Evo Wii), but most of the time they just chuck a few gestures into a PS2 game.
Its a travesty and a business nightmare.
I firmly believe you could do some great things with the Wii, and especially the balance board, but until a 3rd party exclusive like Madworld, Sin and Punishment 2, or the Conduit sell ridiculous amounts, then i fear it will be largely ignored. Which is sad, cos in most cases the average amount you sell on wii is always gonna be more than the PS3.
The system has to drop to Ł199.99. Even that is too much for the system these days.
The PS3 just isn't worth Ł300 and sales show that!
I don't think it needs to drop below Ł199.99. I just bought a Bluray player for Ł170 and would have spent an extra Ł30 to get a PS3. However I do not want one enough to have spent the extra Ł130. It is quite clear though as you point out that it is not worth Ł300.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit. I personally don't like the price increase as we already may more for electronics than the US even though our currency was strong. Now that it is weak they seem to think that they need to increase prices to compensate (even though they were making a truckload from us in the first place!). However retailers will not be making a loss but I do think we will see even more packages rather than individual consoles in order for retailers to make their money.
Leefear - well they seem to need some kind of excuse because they simply arent doing it.
Every now and then someone comes along and makes something totally revolutionary, daring and brilliant (Pro Evo Wii), but most of the time they just chuck a few gestures into a PS2 game.
Its a travesty and a business nightmare.
I firmly believe you could do some great things with the Wii, and especially the balance board, but until a 3rd party exclusive like Madworld, Sin and Punishment 2, or the Conduit sell ridiculous amounts, then i fear it will be largely ignored. Which is sad, cos in most cases the average amount you sell on wii is always gonna be more than the PS3.
Agreed. Many devs have grown lazy being able to hide substandard gameplay behing nice flashy graphics, however when asked to do something innovative many fail miserably. The other unfortunate problem is that many of the innovative Wii games are a bit too niche in their appeal. The same could be said of quite a few past games on other consoles (ICO for exapmle). If ICO had not been a first party game then Shadow of the Colossus would probably have never seen the light of day. However producing a great game that sells and uses the controls well is not impossible as Capcom can tell you.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit. I personally don't like the price increase as we already may more for electronics than the US even though our currency was strong. Now that it is weak they seem to think that they need to increase prices to compensate (even though they were making a truckload from us in the first place!). However retailers will not be making a loss but I do think we will see even more packages rather than individual consoles in order for retailers to make their money.
Nice of Nintendo to make that choice for them.
What, just like practically every other manufacturing company out there does? There are not many companies, Tech or otherwise that do not specify a RRP!
Leefear - well they seem to need some kind of excuse because they simply arent doing it.
Every now and then someone comes along and makes something totally revolutionary, daring and brilliant (Pro Evo Wii), but most of the time they just chuck a few gestures into a PS2 game.
Its a travesty and a business nightmare.
I firmly believe you could do some great things with the Wii, and especially the balance board, but until a 3rd party exclusive like Madworld, Sin and Punishment 2, or the Conduit sell ridiculous amounts, then i fear it will be largely ignored. Which is sad, cos in most cases the average amount you sell on wii is always gonna be more than the PS3.
Agreed. Many devs have grown lazy being able to hide substandard gameplay behing nice flashy graphics, however when asked to do something innovative many fail miserably. The other unfortunate problem is that many of the innovative Wii games are a bit too niche in their appeal. The same could be said of quite a few past games on other consoles (ICO for exapmle). If ICO had not been a first party game then Shadow of the Colossus would probably have never seen the light of day. However producing a great game that sells and uses the controls well is not impossible as Capcom can tell you.
Or Sega.
I just dont understand why other 3rd party devs havent looked at Sega and copied them. They've made a killing on the Wii, and with Madworld and The Conduit being published by them, they are gonna be minted soon. At the same time, if those two games do sell well, they will be proving that hardcore third party games can do well on Wii.
This year is a really big year for the Wii. If things go well for nintendo, they could really gain back a bit of Kudos to go with their barrowfulls of cash.
I was expecting something different when i picked up the wii and thats what we got. As the better titles on the wii show, all this waggle control nonsense is not the hardwares fault as much as the devs being either unskilled or lazy. If you look at games like warioware, it has so many interesting and clever uses of the wiimote, Mad world is a fantastic example of how the remote can be used effectively in a very core game.
Granted i did want more from red steel but the fact that i could have clunky invisible swordfights is worlds above what you'd get on a standard controller. Motion+ is only going to make melee style combat on the wii, better.
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Erm.....
Backward hardware? It is only fanboys that think the only way to move forward is to boost graphics. I rather like the fact that I have 2 next gen machines which have taken radicaly dofferent approaches. My 360 has the graphical boost and the Wii has the gameplay boost. I like them both but if the developers learn how to make good games again and release them on the wii I will be very happy. I will say again and again that gameplay is the ONLY thing that matters in a game. I would rather play pong than rise of the robots for instance!
Cutting edge can mean many things in the development world. You could for instance produce a cutting edge program for the megadrive as could easily be the way you manipulate the hardware that is cutting edge rather than the hardware itself.
I can also tell you that DEVS want to make money (especially in this current climate) The way to make money is to release for the most popular console. I am sure most of them would be producing games for the Master System if it was going to make them money.
everyone wants to make money.
but no real proffesional wants to be sitting on the sidelines. and the wii isnt the place people go to be amazed.
better graphics dont improve gameplay per se, but they help sell immersion.. which enhances the experience greatly.
as the guy pointed out, you cant ignore the guy with half the market... so why do they?
much easier and quicker to develop on, and lower production costs. almost guaranteeing profitable return.
yet it gets shunned for its lack of TECHNICAL PROWESS.
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
I guess we'll see. Larger retailers like Tescos will probably be happy to sell the Wii at a loss for now but other smaller retailers will drop it like a brick and focus on the 360.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
What on earth do you think BUSINESSES should do?
Do you think they should just make it all for free?
The only point of ANY business in the world is to make money, and thats it. Nothing else matters at all.
You cant try and take any kind of moral highground out of it. If it didnt make money, then you wouldnt have a gaming hobby.
What? Eh? Why have you gone and quoted my post then repeated exactly what I said? Please explain? Did I now mention the word "profit" several times? Where the hell did I say sell it for free, where the hell did I imply the PS3 should be dropped in price right now? It does NOT look like you read my post?
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
It doesn't really have anything to do with being "fair"...it certainly isn't fair on the trade/retailers to lose another Ł19 on each Wii sale, and I notice that Nintendo haven't been fair in telling the consumer public that it is THEY that are raising the trade price by Ł19, but rather leave that dilemma to the retailer to either sell at current prices and make less/no profit or raise the price and take flack from unhappy consumers...not fair at all really!
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Erm.....
Backward hardware? It is only fanboys that think the only way to move forward is to boost graphics. I rather like the fact that I have 2 next gen machines which have taken radicaly dofferent approaches. My 360 has the graphical boost and the Wii has the gameplay boost. I like them both but if the developers learn how to make good games again and release them on the wii I will be very happy. I will say again and again that gameplay is the ONLY thing that matters in a game. I would rather play pong than rise of the robots for instance!
Cutting edge can mean many things in the development world. You could for instance produce a cutting edge program for the megadrive as could easily be the way you manipulate the hardware that is cutting edge rather than the hardware itself.
I can also tell you that DEVS want to make money (especially in this current climate) The way to make money is to release for the most popular console. I am sure most of them would be producing games for the Master System if it was going to make them money.
everyone wants to make money.
but no real proffesional wants to be sitting on the sidelines. and the wii isnt the place people go to be amazed.
better graphics dont improve gameplay per se, but they help sell immersion.. which enhances the experience greatly.
as the guy pointed out, you cant ignore the guy with half the market... so why do they?
much easier and quicker to develop on, and lower production costs. almost guaranteeing profitable return.
yet it gets shunned for its lack of TECHNICAL PROWESS.
It gets shunned as the DEVS can't hide their poor gameplay behind a glossy graphical sheild on the Wii. Graphics also are not the only way to improve the immersion in a game. For instance Ghost Recon was in my opinion a poor game as although the graphics were amazing and the plot was good, the controls were so complicated that it threw me straight out of the immersion. However RE4 Wii was nowhere near as graphically impressive as GR yet the amazingly sublime controls allowed me to practically forget I was controlling anything and drew me into the gameworld. The brain is an amazing thing and imagination will fill all the graphical gaps as long as the controls and gameplay are good enough. I used to get drawn into many 16bit games like Syndicate, Alien Breed, Chaos Engine etc, Hell I even got drawn into Elite, yet these games had very basic graphics compared to the PS3 or 360, Why? Simple the controls and gameplay were spot on.
The difference is that any developer who has even considered making a game specifically for PS3 has done so with the intention of using the unique CPU for a reason. In order to shift to any other platform, let alone something with a fraction of the power, would require a complete rethink of the game.
It's not just like going "you know, we'll go from PC to 360", it's a completely different architecture.
While I do think the PS3 is long overdue a price cut, it does sort of keep it as the only remaining serious console now that the 360 has it's unavoidable super-happy avatar system. Besides, the rumours are all saying May for a price cut.
but no real proffesional wants to be sitting on the sidelines. and the wii isnt the place people go to be amazed.
better graphics dont improve gameplay per se, but they help sell immersion.. which enhances the experience greatly.
as the guy pointed out, you cant ignore the guy with half the market... so why do they?
much easier and quicker to develop on, and lower production costs. almost guaranteeing profitable return.
yet it gets shunned for its lack of TECHNICAL PROWESS.
There's more to technical prowess than graphics. As you already admitted they don't improve gameplay per se. I say they don't at all.
Wouldn't superior controls sell emersion more than flashy graphics. most pepole fill in the blanks when graphics are concerned anyway. I think that immersion is much better achieved in a game where i actually swing the controller to swing the on screen weapon or point where i'm going to fire my gun. than simply twiddle some analogue sticks at hit r2.
If the wii had top end graphics like the PS3 would it have made such a big difference to the machine.
The fact the console with the least graphical grunt of every gen has come out on top shows that few give a damn about graphics but having something fun and interesting to play on.
The reason the wii is generally not developed for by some devs is becuase to do anything well for it needs to be developed specifically for it. while the PS3 and 360 are so similar you can make a game that works for both in the same amount of time.
For a machine that is currently Ł250, is a price drop of Ł50 such a big deal. Just don't go out on the beers for one weekend and there you go. FFS I paid Ł400 for mine over a year ago and it's the best thing I ever did (almost)
who wants to develop on backward hardware though?!
technology is all about cutting edge. thats why they ignore the wii.
its like giving a proffesional rally driver a go-kart.
Erm.....
Backward hardware? It is only fanboys that think the only way to move forward is to boost graphics. I rather like the fact that I have 2 next gen machines which have taken radicaly dofferent approaches. My 360 has the graphical boost and the Wii has the gameplay boost. I like them both but if the developers learn how to make good games again and release them on the wii I will be very happy. I will say again and again that gameplay is the ONLY thing that matters in a game. I would rather play pong than rise of the robots for instance!
Cutting edge can mean many things in the development world. You could for instance produce a cutting edge program for the megadrive as could easily be the way you manipulate the hardware that is cutting edge rather than the hardware itself.
I can also tell you that DEVS want to make money (especially in this current climate) The way to make money is to release for the most popular console. I am sure most of them would be producing games for the Master System if it was going to make them money.
everyone wants to make money.
but no real proffesional wants to be sitting on the sidelines. and the wii isnt the place people go to be amazed.
better graphics dont improve gameplay per se, but they help sell immersion.. which enhances the experience greatly.
as the guy pointed out, you cant ignore the guy with half the market... so why do they?
much easier and quicker to develop on, and lower production costs. almost guaranteeing profitable return.
yet it gets shunned for its lack of TECHNICAL PROWESS.
It gets shunned as the DEVS can't hide their poor gameplay behind a glossy graphical sheild on the Wii. Graphics also are not the only way to improve the immersion in a game. For instance Ghost Recon was in my opinion a poor game as although the graphics were amazing and the plot was good, the controls were so complicated that it threw me straight out of the immersion. However RE4 Wii was nowhere near as graphically impressive as GR yet the amazingly sublime controls allowed me to practically forget I was controlling anything and drew me into the gameworld. The brain is an amazing thing and imagination will fill all the graphical gaps as long as the controls and gameplay are good enough. I used to get drawn into many 16bit games like Syndicate, Alien Breed, Chaos Engine etc, Hell I even got drawn into Elite, yet these games had very basic graphics compared to the PS3 or 360, Why? Simple the controls and gameplay were spot on.
so what happens when you get all that and MINDBLOWING REALISTIC graphics?
no need for the mind to compensate. it will be taken to a new level of amazedness.
and if a game plays like trash, then noone will buy it. simple. noone is hiding behind fancy graphics.
The difference is that any developer who has even considered making a game specifically for PS3 has done so with the intention of using the unique CPU for a reason. In order to shift to any other platform, let alone something with a fraction of the power, would require a complete rethink of the game.
It's not just like going "you know, we'll go from PC to 360", it's a completely different architecture.
While I do think the PS3 is long overdue a price cut, it does sort of keep it as the only remaining serious console now that the 360 has it's unavoidable super-happy avatar system. Besides, the rumours are all saying May for a price cut.
I do not think they are talking about moving games that are currently in development from PS3 to Wii although some may well be able to do this. They are more likely talking about moving platforms for future games.
It gets shunned as the DEVS can't hide their poor gameplay behind a glossy graphical sheild on the Wii. Graphics also are not the only way to improve the immersion in a game. For instance Ghost Recon was in my opinion a poor game as although the graphics were amazing and the plot was good, the controls were so complicated that it threw me straight out of the immersion. However RE4 Wii was nowhere near as graphically impressive as GR yet the amazingly sublime controls allowed me to practically forget I was controlling anything and drew me into the gameworld. The brain is an amazing thing and imagination will fill all the graphical gaps as long as the controls and gameplay are good enough. I used to get drawn into many 16bit games like Syndicate, Alien Breed, Chaos Engine etc, Hell I even got drawn into Elite, yet these games had very basic graphics compared to the PS3 or 360, Why? Simple the controls and gameplay were spot on.
The problem for the Wii is a lot of developers don't really try to push the console. They seem to think poor design plus motion controls will still sell. The Wii is littered with games that lack effort from developers. Many games feel like they were churned out on production lines with poor QA and offer the same entertainment value of an average Flash game. A lot of games for the Wii are not worth Ł5 from new never mind Ł29.
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
It doesn't really have anything to do with being "fair"...it certainly isn't fair on the trade/retailers to lose another Ł19 on each Wii sale, and I notice that Nintendo haven't been fair in telling the consumer public that it is THEY that are raising the trade price by Ł19, but rather leave that dilemma to the retailer to either sell at current prices and make less/no profit or raise the price and take flack from unhappy consumers...not fair at all really!
Of course its fair.
Should they just make less money because our economy is rubbish?
Should nintendo take the hit because our Governement keeps bailing banks out and still paying their bosses bonuses (Despite moaning about it).
Of course they shouldn't. They want to keep making the same money as they did before, and because people are still buying the console then they have every right to raise the price.
Do you think the retailers wont raise it? Of course they will! If no one buys it at the higher price, then Nintendo will drop it, simple as that.
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
I guess we'll see. Larger retailers like Tescos will probably be happy to sell the Wii at a loss for now but other smaller retailers will drop it like a brick and focus on the 360.
Yeah, they'll just put the price up and try and bundle it probably.
You're right though, they'll probably make a big deal of the 360 in the meantime.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
What on earth do you think BUSINESSES should do?
Do you think they should just make it all for free?
The only point of ANY business in the world is to make money, and thats it. Nothing else matters at all.
You cant try and take any kind of moral highground out of it. If it didnt make money, then you wouldnt have a gaming hobby.
What? Eh? Why have you gone and quoted my post then repeated exactly what I said? Please explain? Did I now mention the word "profit" several times? Where the hell did I say sell it for free, where the hell did I imply the PS3 should be dropped in price right now? It does NOT look like you read my post?
Apologies if i misenterpreted your post, but i got the impression that you were complaining that it was all about money.
I was just saying that it isnt really something to complain about as if it wasnt all about money, then it wouldnt exist.
Its my biggest pet hate when people moan that the world is going to hell because businesses are trying to make money! If thats not what you meant then im sorry.
oh yeh... sony will just lower the price and loose another billions dollars, to their already large losses... if you dont want a ps3, dont get one, because your only missing out...
oh yeh... sony will just lower the price and loose another billions dollars, to their already large losses... if you dont want a ps3, dont get one, because your only missing out...
I hope you do not have asperations of becoming a businessman/businesswoman, as I fear you would fail miserably.
It gets shunned as the DEVS can't hide their poor gameplay behind a glossy graphical sheild on the Wii. Graphics also are not the only way to improve the immersion in a game. For instance Ghost Recon was in my opinion a poor game as although the graphics were amazing and the plot was good, the controls were so complicated that it threw me straight out of the immersion. However RE4 Wii was nowhere near as graphically impressive as GR yet the amazingly sublime controls allowed me to practically forget I was controlling anything and drew me into the gameworld. The brain is an amazing thing and imagination will fill all the graphical gaps as long as the controls and gameplay are good enough. I used to get drawn into many 16bit games like Syndicate, Alien Breed, Chaos Engine etc, Hell I even got drawn into Elite, yet these games had very basic graphics compared to the PS3 or 360, Why? Simple the controls and gameplay were spot on.
The problem for the Wii is a lot of developers don't really try to push the console. They seem to think poor design plus motion controls will still sell. The Wii is littered with games that lack effort from developers. Many games feel like they were churned out on production lines with poor QA and offer the same entertainment value of an average Flash game. A lot of games for the Wii are not worth Ł5 from new never mind Ł29.
Well this is really a different kind of problem. The wii is only suffering like any other highly popular console has. The PS1 and PS2 were drowned by rubbish cash-ins, it is the price of being successfull.
oh yeh... sony will just lower the price and loose another billions dollars, to their already large losses... if you dont want a ps3, dont get one, because your only missing out...
I hope you do not have asperations of becoming a businessman/businesswoman, as I fear you would fail miserably.
The wii is only suffering like any other highly popular console has. The PS1 and PS2 were drowned by rubbish cash-ins, it is the price of being successfull.
but there was a sufficient number of titles to balance out the good ones. If you look at what came out on the PS2 within its first 2 years you'd see that the number of good titles was amazing. I posted a lit over on the OBNM forums a couple of weeks back, may try to find it.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit.
How much do retailers currently make on each Wii sold then?
It's distinctly possible they are asking retailers to hike the prices or begin taking a loss...
Irrespective of that, even if they are 'merely' asking retailers to take a hit to their profits, it is still deplorable actions by Ninty. A price increase from them is an utter disgrace.
oh yeh... sony will just lower the price and loose another billions dollars, to their already large losses... if you dont want a ps3, dont get one, because your only missing out...
I hope you do not have asperations of becoming a businessman/businesswoman, as I fear you would fail miserably.
No i dont. So go play wii...
Sigh..... Why do immature fools troll forums.......
I have been into town 3 times in the last 2 weeks to buy a PS3 only to back out at the last minute. Ł300+ for a decent pack seems just about too much when compared to the XBox and Wii.A Ł40-Ł50 price drop would seal it for me though.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit.
How much do retailers currently make on each Wii sold then?
It's distinctly possible they are asking retailers to hike the prices or begin taking a loss...
Irrespective of that, even if they are 'merely' asking retailers to take a hit to their profits, it is still deplorable actions by Ninty. A price increase from them is an utter disgrace.
They are not asking them to take the hit, The retailers can raise the selling price if they like. They will however more likely create more packs in order to semi hide a price rise. I also do not think they should be raising the price but there are many other companies doing this right now so they are not alone and it was probably not a decision taken lightly either.
Should they just make less money because our economy is rubbish?
Should nintendo take the hit because our Governement keeps bailing banks out and still paying their bosses bonuses (Despite moaning about it).
Frankly, yes, they should. For starters, the Wii is long, LONG passed a price drop. Development costs will have dropped substantially from when the Wii first cam out, so Nintendo are in a position to take the rough with the smooth here.
Not to mention, when the pound is strong, do these companies reduce the price? Of course they bloody don't!
It beggars belief how some people are defending the indefencable here. It's greed from Nintendo, plain and simple. And they are forcing retailers hands into making a sh*t decision - either take a profit hit (or worse, make a loss), or take a publicity hit and raise the price. Either way, the public 'hate' will be directed at the retailers, and not where it should go!
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
It doesn't really have anything to do with being "fair"...it certainly isn't fair on the trade/retailers to lose another Ł19 on each Wii sale, and I notice that Nintendo haven't been fair in telling the consumer public that it is THEY that are raising the trade price by Ł19, but rather leave that dilemma to the retailer to either sell at current prices and make less/no profit or raise the price and take flack from unhappy consumers...not fair at all really!
Of course its fair.
Should they just make less money because our economy is rubbish?
Should nintendo take the hit because our Governement keeps bailing banks out and still paying their bosses bonuses (Despite moaning about it).
Of course they shouldn't. They want to keep making the same money as they did before, and because people are still buying the console then they have every right to raise the price.
Do you think the retailers wont raise it? Of course they will! If no one buys it at the higher price, then Nintendo will drop it, simple as that.
If it was a level playing field for the retailers then I'd agree more about the price rise, but the big chains can afford to absorb the price hike, whereas the small Independents not so.
The only reason they are able to do this is because the Wii is still popular in the UK, so can more or less do what they like and smacks of pure greed. Unfortunately supply & demand rules, but hopefully not for much longer.
And, yes the UK economy is in the s**t, but Japan is also currently deep in the brown stuff and recession, its economy has just contracted at its fastest pace for 35 years, their Finance minister is clinging to his job by a thread and turns up to meetings p**sed, so let's not pretend that Japan are a thriving economic power, it's just that Nintendo are bucking the trend.
what everyone seems to forget is that unlike MS and Sony which have thier fingers dipped in many different pies. Nintendo only make video games and consoles. thier major products are the wii and ds and thats it.
Well as MS and Sony can up the pricese of thier other products (sony) or have enough money to bankroll a small country (MS). Nintendo can't afford to do this. Although the wii has been smashing sales records left and right nintendo are still probably recouping loses from the gamecube and to a lesser extent the N64. The wii is the first console that has ever sold for profit from launch day. The cube never had time to make money and the n64 was expensive to develop for.
Although i agree its not the best move nintendo could of made, desperates times and all that.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
What on earth do you think BUSINESSES should do?
Do you think they should just make it all for free?
The only point of ANY business in the world is to make money, and thats it. Nothing else matters at all.
You cant try and take any kind of moral highground out of it. If it didnt make money, then you wouldnt have a gaming hobby.
What? Eh? Why have you gone and quoted my post then repeated exactly what I said? Please explain? Did I now mention the word "profit" several times? Where the hell did I say sell it for free, where the hell did I imply the PS3 should be dropped in price right now? It does NOT look like you read my post?
Apologies if i misenterpreted your post, but i got the impression that you were complaining that it was all about money.
I was just saying that it isnt really something to complain about as if it wasnt all about money, then it wouldnt exist.
Its my biggest pet hate when people moan that the world is going to hell because businesses are trying to make money! If thats not what you meant then im sorry.
Well, it is all about money yes, that's the point of business right? You start out with good intentions, then get share holders... But ignoring Ninty cause they are sitting pretty, my point was that Sony paid so much to develop the PS3, Blue Ray and the Cell can they afford a price cut? I'm not fussed cause I only have a PS3, it does me fine. But if someone wants to make a game for a console, they should just make it. If they are complaining that the console doesn't have enough market share to make it worth while, then that's the same as saying we won't make games because out return isn't worth it, all about money. Killzone 2 cost 25 million ponds to make, a far cry from a film, but a lot for a game. I just think developers should shut up about who has the biggest share and just make games, yes they have to be different for the Wii, but they can be the same for the PS3 and 360.
Basically, games devs want to make money first. That's the PR and boss talk, the coders etc want to make great games. But it should be up to Sony what they do. If they loose too much money, like it or not, they will pull out of the games console business like Sega. Then we all loose out.
And the world has gone to hell because man is intelligent enough to invent money, then when every county has none, man is also intelligent enough to not really care and have no idea how to fix it. Just think how different we would be if everything was free? But that's not in our nature is it?
money originally was a replacement for bringing your cows to market. carrying your gold, with you. for security reasons. then somewhere alone the line it stopped being the middle man and just became the cows(figuratively speaking).
money is an odd thing. its rediculous as it has no real value other than what society has placed on it.
To be honest its only fair really, and they are in the position where they can do that if they want to.
Its only because of the value of the pound that they are doing it. They'll still sell like crazy wont they?
They are just protecting their business in a recession, no one can really blame them for that.
It doesn't really have anything to do with being "fair"...it certainly isn't fair on the trade/retailers to lose another Ł19 on each Wii sale, and I notice that Nintendo haven't been fair in telling the consumer public that it is THEY that are raising the trade price by Ł19, but rather leave that dilemma to the retailer to either sell at current prices and make less/no profit or raise the price and take flack from unhappy consumers...not fair at all really!
Of course its fair.
Should they just make less money because our economy is rubbish?
Should nintendo take the hit because our Governement keeps bailing banks out and still paying their bosses bonuses (Despite moaning about it).
Of course they shouldn't. They want to keep making the same money as they did before, and because people are still buying the console then they have every right to raise the price.
Do you think the retailers wont raise it? Of course they will! If no one buys it at the higher price, then Nintendo will drop it, simple as that.
If it was a level playing field for the retailers then I'd agree about the price rise, but the big chains can afford to absorb the price hike, whereas the small Independents not so.
The only reason they are able to do this is because the Wii is still popular in the UK, so can more or less do what they like, supply & demand, but hopefully not for much longer.
And, yes the UK economy is in the s**t, but Japan is also currently deep in the brown stuff and recession, its economy has just contracted at its fastest pace for 35 years, their Finance minister is clinging to his job by a thread and turns up to meetings p**sed, so let's not pretend that Japan are a thriving economic power, it's just that Nintendo are bucking the trend.
@ Marty too
Well thats exactly it isnt it? Japans economy is just as bad as it is anywhere else, if not owrse to be honest considering the state of the motor industry.
Nintendo are just doing what any sensible business would do.
They are basically doing the same as the banks. The banks wont lend to anyone at the moment because the risk is too high. Nintendo are ina position where they dont need to take any risks and so they can afford to keep selling the Wii for the same margin.
I agree with Tonyb in that it will affect the smaller retailers, and morally that is unfortunate. The business world really doesnt have any morality in it and hasnt for a very long time so why should it be down to nintendo to bring it back?
Nintendo doesnt have any responsibility for smaller retailers or the European economy. It may sound harsh, but thats just the way business works.
In a recession you look after yourself. If that means smaller businesses fall by the wayside then thats just what happens.
Its not right, but its always been like that, so why make a big song and dance about it now?
they are calling on the ps3 to drop price because they all want to lead on that platform in the future.
it has the same install base as the 360 for the time its been out. when the ps3 drops to the 360s price it'll be slaughter. everyone knows this. they are just looking for a powerful console to develop on the famous massive playstation install base. if the ps3 drops price now, for the next wave of projects, there could be double the ps3's out there if the price is right.
if they were only looking for the big install base, they would lead on the wii already.
also the 360 cant really drop its price again or it will become a devalued joke. hardly prestigious a next gen console selling for sub-Ł100. it will soon cost less than a ps one.
that and the devs know the 360's shelf life aint so good, the DVD is starting to show its age for a kick off.
i can see big projects going ps3-only in a couple of years time.
What a stupid news story. It's just shear greed from a business profitability point of view from all those games developers. And most of you lot seem to have forgotten, the PS3 development helped to nearly take Sony out of the market, why else do you think they fired the "God Father" of Playstation? He f***** up big time. It cost Sony so much to develop that they will be selling the console at a lost for years let alone at present. The PS4 won't be half as advanced or different. Sony wants to protect it's profit margin, as a group it's no doubt hitting hard times just like everyone else, I have no doubt they will one day drop the price but it won't be anytime soon cause they need the money. Developers just want cheaper consoles so they can shift more games to make more money, at the end of the day they really couldn't care less about Sony or the PS3, it's business, they just want more profit and better share values. And as for the Wii?? WTF? Nintendo has sold every single Wii for profit and not a loss since launch, yet it feels it must RAISE the retail price of the Wii, again it's pure greed, profit, surviving this stupid recession.
What on earth do you think BUSINESSES should do?
Do you think they should just make it all for free?
The only point of ANY business in the world is to make money, and thats it. Nothing else matters at all.
You cant try and take any kind of moral highground out of it. If it didnt make money, then you wouldnt have a gaming hobby.
What? Eh? Why have you gone and quoted my post then repeated exactly what I said? Please explain? Did I now mention the word "profit" several times? Where the hell did I say sell it for free, where the hell did I imply the PS3 should be dropped in price right now? It does NOT look like you read my post?
Apologies if i misenterpreted your post, but i got the impression that you were complaining that it was all about money.
I was just saying that it isnt really something to complain about as if it wasnt all about money, then it wouldnt exist.
Its my biggest pet hate when people moan that the world is going to hell because businesses are trying to make money! If thats not what you meant then im sorry.
Well, it is all about money yes, that's the point of business right? You start out with good intentions, then get share holders... But ignoring Ninty cause they are sitting pretty, my point was that Sony paid so much to develop the PS3, Blue Ray and the Cell can they afford a price cut? I'm not fussed cause I only have a PS3, it does me fine. But if someone wants to make a game for a console, they should just make it. If they are complaining that the console doesn't have enough market share to make it worth while, then that's the same as saying we won't make games because out return isn't worth it, all about money. Killzone 2 cost 25 million ponds to make, a far cry from a film, but a lot for a game. I just think developers should shut up about who has the biggest share and just make games, yes they have to be different for the Wii, but they can be the same for the PS3 and 360.
Basically, games devs want to make money first. That's the PR and boss talk, the coders etc want to make great games. But it should be up to Sony what they do. If they loose too much money, like it or not, they will pull out of the games console business like Sega. Then we all loose out.
And the world has gone to hell because man is intelligent enough to invent money, then when every county has none, man is also intelligent enough to not really care and have no idea how to fix it. Just think how different we would be if everything was free? But that's not in our nature is it?
I dont really agree because if devs just made games for what consoles they wanted too without considering the cost to profit ratio, then that would be a huge risk to peoples jobs.
If you ask a team of programmers to make a game over 5 years and budget 25m on it, but the console you are making it for has sold very few units, then you are taking a massive risk. Those peoples job security would be put at risk as well as their families.
If you spend more money producing a game for a console that has sold many more units then you are reducing that risk quite a lot.
I agree with you in that they over-analyse the markets though.
they are calling on the ps3 to drop price because they all want to lead on that platform in the future.
it has the same install base as the 360 for the time its been out. when the ps3 drops to the 360s price it'll be slaughter. everyone knows this. they are just looking for a powerful console to develop on the famous massive playstation install base. if the ps3 drops price now, for the next wave of projects, there could be double the ps3's out there if the price is right.
if they were only looking for the big install base, they would lead on the wii already.
also the 360 cant really drop its price again or it will become a devalued joke. hardly prestigious a next gen console selling for sub-Ł100. it will soon cost less than a ps one.
that and the devs know the 360's shelf life aint so good, the DVD is starting to show its age for a kick off.
i can see big projects going ps3-only in a couple of years time.
Totally agree.
The only thing that may throw a spanner in the works is if Microsoft decide to release a new console.
I think they are the only company in the world that would take a risk like that at the moment (Unless Google go mental and get involved).
I think one of the main reasons why devs cant be bothered with the Wii is because they have to write games from the ground up for it. They cant just slap the Unreal 3 engine down and build on top of it like they can with PC, PS3 and 360.
Looking at some of the amazing PS3 games that have come out recently and are on the horizon (KZ2, Uncharted 2), I too can only see devs swooning over it in the years to come.
they are calling on the ps3 to drop price because they all want to lead on that platform in the future.
it has the same install base as the 360 for the time its been out. when the ps3 drops to the 360s price it'll be slaughter. everyone knows this. they are just looking for a powerful console to develop on the famous massive playstation install base. if the ps3 drops price now, for the next wave of projects, there could be double the ps3's out there if the price is right.
if they were only looking for the big install base, they would lead on the wii already.
also the 360 cant really drop its price again or it will become a devalued joke. hardly prestigious a next gen console selling for sub-Ł100. it will soon cost less than a ps one.
that and the devs know the 360's shelf life aint so good, the DVD is starting to show its age for a kick off.
i can see big projects going ps3-only in a couple of years time.
They're calling for a PS3 price-cut because it's too expensive in the current financial climate.
They're investing multi-millions into developing games and therefore obviously want to maximise their profits which will be increased if there are more PS3's out there!
LOL...It's got nothing to do with wanting to lead on the PS3 out of Sony love, and everything to do with maximising profits and a plea..."Please bring the price of the PS3 down Sony, so there are more consoles out there and more people to buy our games!"
With Microsoft's almost unlimited bank account, of course they could/can reduce the price of the 360 down to sub 60 quid if need be. And I can really see the consumer suddenly thinking "Oh it must be s**t now because it's Ł59.99!"...come on get real ffs!
As things stand, Microsoft and the Xbox 360 are in a very healthy position and it's Sony that are being pressured to do something positive for the industry/consumer...roll on E3!!
The PS3 is worth every penny and more anyone who bought one on the day of release will agree it is a impressive piece of kit. I have two PS3's and I feel a lot of people continually bash Sony about the price but I commend them because they are selling customers a great piece of hardware at a loss. Anyone who has a go about the price should just stick to an xbox.
Me I prefer the vision sony has for the playstation and don't mind paying that little bit more in the knowledge that I'm getting a whole lot more in return for my investment.
The PS3 is worth every penny and more anyone who bought one on the day of release will agree it is a impressive piece of kit. I have two PS3's and I feel a lot of people continually bash Sony about the price but I commend them because they are selling customers a great piece of hardware at a loss. Anyone who has a go about the price should just stick to an xbox.
Me I prefer the vision sony has for the playstation and don't mind paying that little bit more in the knowledge that I'm getting a whole lot more in return for my investment.
I think from a developers point of view they would love the PS3 to sell more. Why? More PS3's mean more games sold per console. Looking at the last generation I think roughly worldwide 140million PS2s were sold compared to current 28million 360s/21million PS3s.
But here's the thing... PS3 is still the most expensive and yet it's still selling nearly on par year-to-year with 360. So from a business perspective why decrease your price when during a recession you're still able to shift the product and aim for profit? And 360 fans have got to admit that altho the 360 is a good piece of kit even at it's ridiculously 'bargain' price it can't halt sales of the PS3. And IMO I'd rather Sony make profit and spend R&D into releasing new IPs (cos they ain't half cheap to develop anymore).
If there is a company we should 'bully' to reduce the price of it's gadgets it's Apple. A flipping portable music player for how much?!!! Now that's a rip-off!!!
Here's the thing with wii games selling as much as they have; when developers get a hit (such as mario and sonic) they ride in the top ten of the charts for months on end because of word of mouth and the lack of decent releases.
Developers need to know how well the PS3 will sell in the long term, as the extent they support it is based entirely upon how many copies of their games they can predict selling in one or two years time. Sony launched the PS1 at a low cost and then dropped the price again soon after to get a large enough installed base to attract developers like Square to support them instead of Nintendo. Now with the PS3 they seem to be doing the exact opposite. The bosses at Sony never wanted to enter the video game market, but it seems that now they are in it and have made a huge profit on PS1 and PS2 they think they can now run it how they wanted to begin with, i.e. high prices and an air of superiority.
so what happens when you get all that and MINDBLOWING REALISTIC graphics?
no need for the mind to compensate. it will be taken to a new level of amazedness.
and if a game plays like trash, then noone will buy it. simple. noone is hiding behind fancy graphics.
That is an very rare treat indeed. But again graphics themselves are far more than pushing polygons around. Madworld is a great example of a very cool looking game graphically yet not requiring a powerhouse to run it. DOOM 3 also looked amazing yet ran on my old (even at the time) PC which would not run games that looked half as good. They managed to use cutting edge tech like normal mapping to make it look as if there were far more polygons than there really was. Plus sometimes it is nice to use imagination rather than being delivered something too real. This is why many people prefer books to the film adaptations, sometimes what you imagined is far better than what is delivered. Sometimes however graphics do make a big difference but it is not very often in my mind (perhaps more evident in factual games like Call of Duty than in fantasy based games).
Here's the thing with wii games selling as much as they have; when developers get a hit (such as mario and sonic) they ride in the top ten of the charts for months on end because of word of mouth and the lack of decent releases.
It has possibly had more decent releases than the PS3! The fanboy propoganda machine would not like you to think that but it is true. The PS3 is finally getting some good (exclusive) games but it has taken a while. The wii is also behind what I would like but it is getting there and more and more developers are committing to it properly rather than the casual glance it has been getting.
The games sell well due to the massive install base. This is exactly what the developers want from the PS3 which is why they want to see a price drop. If it came down to Ł200 then the argument of owning both a wii and a 360 for not much more than the price of a PS3 would be gone (unless both MS and Nintendo reduced their prices drastically). However Sony are a bit stuck as they are already making a loss on the hardware when MS and especially Nintendo are making money on theirs. If Sony drop their price then the other 2 will be easily able to drop theirs too if needed. However this may reduce the total price of all 3 consoles to a point where a lot of people could own all 3 and that is surely good for the consumers (it is always nice to have all the consoles in order to be able to play the best games regardless of format).
you guys aren't thinking about the repercussions. this isn't butlins, companies are losing down everywhere, people are losing their jobs. I'll say it once again, Sony can only drop the PS3 once the build price has decreased. and only then...also don't expect a huge drop either. you won't save Ł100 on components costs. what you have to remember is while machine costs have gone down, companies costs have increased because bills and running costs are at an all time high.
you guys aren't thinking about the repercussions. this isn't butlins, companies are losing down everywhere, people are losing their jobs. I'll say it once again, Sony can only drop the PS3 once the build price has decreased. and only then...also don't expect a huge drop either. you won't save Ł100 on components costs. what you have to remember is while machine costs have gone down, companies costs have increased because bills and running costs are at an all time high.
However if they sell more machines then they sell more games. As they make far more on games than on the machines (even when they are selling the machine for a profit) this makes sense. I do agree though that for Sony it is much harder to drop their prices as the PS3 costs too much to build. This is where they have gone wrong. However it may pay off next gen as rumours say that they will be doing a Nintendo and simply producing a powered up PS3 rather than console from scratch.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit.
How much do retailers currently make on each Wii sold then?
It's distinctly possible they are asking retailers to hike the prices or begin taking a loss...
Irrespective of that, even if they are 'merely' asking retailers to take a hit to their profits, it is still deplorable actions by Ninty. A price increase from them is an utter disgrace.
They are not asking them to take the hit, The retailers can raise the selling price if they like. They will however more likely create more packs in order to semi hide a price rise. I also do not think they should be raising the price but there are many other companies doing this right now so they are not alone and it was probably not a decision taken lightly either.
However you want to look at it, it comes down to this: Nintendo is passing the buck (or bill, I should say,) on to others and this at a time where the public is decidely less carefree with their spending. Add to that, that Nintendo has apparently been making a profit on the Wii for quite some time now and it really does come down to greed. Pure and simple. As others have pointed out when times were good for the Pound Nintendo had no problems with it yet now that production costs are presumably lower and times are hard they still insist on keeping the same profit margins.
I'm in business and keeping the same profit margins is nice, but ultimately what matters more than the profit margin is the actual hard "cash on hand" when the dust settles. A 10% profit from a 1 million pound deal is greatly preferable to a 50% profit on a 500 pound deal, and as long as you cover your operating costs and can make a bit of profit then even a much lower profit margin than previously is preferable to not getting the business at all! Nintendo's recent move smacks of both avarice and arrogance on par with what we've seen from Sony in the past. It's disgusting and it's a disgrace. It seems to me Nintendo thinks they've grown too big for their shoes, but they would do well to remember that they are not infallible nor invulnerable and their latest 3 year domination of the console market can go away as quickly as it come (just look at SEGA and SONY from their past heydays of glory). May Nintendo reap what they sow!
what everyone seems to forget is that unlike MS and Sony which have thier fingers dipped in many different pies. Nintendo only make video games and consoles. thier major products are the wii and ds and thats it.
Well as MS and Sony can up the pricese of thier other products (sony) or have enough money to bankroll a small country (MS). Nintendo can't afford to do this. Although the wii has been smashing sales records left and right nintendo are still probably recouping loses from the gamecube and to a lesser extent the N64. The wii is the first console that has ever sold for profit from launch day. The cube never had time to make money and the n64 was expensive to develop for.
Although i agree its not the best move nintendo could of made, desperates times and all that.
Which is precisely all the more reason for Nintendo not to bite the hand that feeds it.
And the world has gone to hell because man is intelligent enough to invent money, then when every county has none, man is also intelligent enough to not really care and have no idea how to fix it. Just think how different we would be if everything was free? But that's not in our nature is it?
A completely different topic, yet if things were "free" in the monetary sense it would imply a total and radical shift in the foundations of human societies. It would require that people work and produce things at their own behest with little or no external motivation. How many people really want to slave away in mines or at the factories or in the retail outlets breaking their backs, getting dirty, etc. when they could just as easily try their hand at any number of possibly more appealing vocations?
Unless you still enforced requirements and pre-requisites for some positions society as we know it would break down, then again since this would require a fundamental shift in society as we know it that would seem a logical outcome. However, the shift might be so drastic that large nation-state socities as we've come to know them might cease to exist and we revert to rural villages and the occassional city-state. It would require that all, or at least a critical mass, of individuals adhere to a code of trust and personal responsibility; such a code might have better chances of working in aforementioned micro-societies like a village where people know each other and the consequences of failing to pull your weight are immediately recognizable and subject to pressure from people whom are meaningful in your life....But as you pointed out, is it truly in the nature of mankind? I think there are both pros and cons to enterpreneurship, drive and ambition.
I think from a developers point of view they would love the PS3 to sell more. Why? More PS3's mean more games sold per console. Looking at the last generation I think roughly worldwide 140million PS2s were sold compared to current 28million 360s/21million PS3s.
But here's the thing... PS3 is still the most expensive and yet it's still selling nearly on par year-to-year with 360. So from a business perspective why decrease your price when during a recession you're still able to shift the product and aim for profit? And 360 fans have got to admit that altho the 360 is a good piece of kit even at it's ridiculously 'bargain' price it can't halt sales of the PS3. And IMO I'd rather Sony make profit and spend R&D into releasing new IPs (cos they ain't half cheap to develop anymore).
If there is a company we should 'bully' to reduce the price of it's gadgets it's Apple. A flipping portable music player for how much?!!! Now that's a rip-off!!!
Why limit ourselve to one company? Multiple strategically applied financial pressure points covering various companies need not be mutually exclusive. They don't seem to treat customers with mercy nor sympathy (there may be execptions,) so why should I treat them any better? Because it makes me "the bigger person"? Fair enough, but in this case I'm dealing with companies and not a person so they haven't earned that right. The more the merrier, I say!
The PS3 is worth every penny and more anyone who bought one on the day of release will agree it is a impressive piece of kit. I have two PS3's and I feel a lot of people continually bash Sony about the price but I commend them because they are selling customers a great piece of hardware at a loss. Anyone who has a go about the price should just stick to an xbox.
Me I prefer the vision sony has for the playstation and don't mind paying that little bit more in the knowledge that I'm getting a whole lot more in return for my investment.
Each to their own in this instance, I suppose. I can afford any of the consoles but the PS3 strikes me as overall poor "bang for buck" compared to the Xbox 360 when it comes to gaming (I don't care much about it's Blu-Ray capabilities) , the Wii becoming even more so once Nintendo raises the price in comparison to the tech inside the Wii. That leaves the Xbox 360 for someone of my inclination and I've heard a rumor - mind you it is only a rumor at present time - that should Sony introduce a price drop MS may well respond in kind for the 360 which will probably continue to see the pressure on Sony. Nintendo rules the roost for now, MS is playing the market very skillfully and have greatly increased their market share from last generation, and Sony have dropped the ball and are struggling to re-gain it.
No they expect retailers to choose whether they sell at the same price but reduced profit (not a loss) or increase the price and make the same profit.
How much do retailers currently make on each Wii sold then?
It's distinctly possible they are asking retailers to hike the prices or begin taking a loss...
Irrespective of that, even if they are 'merely' asking retailers to take a hit to their profits, it is still deplorable actions by Ninty. A price increase from them is an utter disgrace.
They are not asking them to take the hit, The retailers can raise the selling price if they like. They will however more likely create more packs in order to semi hide a price rise. I also do not think they should be raising the price but there are many other companies doing this right now so they are not alone and it was probably not a decision taken lightly either.
However you want to look at it, it comes down to this: Nintendo is passing the buck (or bill, I should say,) on to others and this at a time where the public is decidely less carefree with their spending. Add to that, that Nintendo has apparently been making a profit on the Wii for quite some time now and it really does come down to greed. Pure and simple. As others have pointed out when times were good for the Pound Nintendo had no problems with it yet now that production costs are presumably lower and times are hard they still insist on keeping the same profit margins.
I'm in business and keeping the same profit margins is nice, but ultimately what matters more than the profit margin is the actual hard "cash on hand" when the dust settles. A 10% profit from a 1 million pound deal is greatly preferable to a 50% profit on a 500 pound deal, and as long as you cover your operating costs and can make a bit of profit then even a much lower profit margin than previously is preferable to not getting the business at all! Nintendo's recent move smacks of both avarice and arrogance on par with what we've seen from Sony in the past. It's disgusting and it's a disgrace. It seems to me Nintendo thinks they've grown too big for their shoes, but they would do well to remember that they are not infallible nor invulnerable and their latest 3 year domination of the console market can go away as quickly as it come (just look at SEGA and SONY from their past heydays of glory). May Nintendo reap what they sow!
I fear the problem lies with the shareholders. Unfortunately if they want bigger returns and larger dividends then Nintendo have to oblige or their directors face the sack. It is more likely shareholder greed than Nintendo greed. However if they can charge that price and still sell loads then why not? It is not as if they have a monopoly on the games market, consumers are free to purchase any of the 3 consoles or even none at all.
I fear the problem lies with the shareholders. Unfortunately if they want bigger returns and larger dividends then Nintendo have to oblige or their directors face the sack. It is more likely shareholder greed than Nintendo greed. However if they can charge that price and still sell loads then why not? It is not as if they have a monopoly on the games market, consumers are free to purchase any of the 3 consoles or even none at all.
Exactly, which is what I'm doing and should I decide to buy a console this gen it won't be the too expensive PS3 nor the laughably overpriced low-tech Wii. Guess that leaves one of the initerations of the Xbox 360.
I fear the problem lies with the shareholders. Unfortunately if they want bigger returns and larger dividends then Nintendo have to oblige or their directors face the sack. It is more likely shareholder greed than Nintendo greed. However if they can charge that price and still sell loads then why not? It is not as if they have a monopoly on the games market, consumers are free to purchase any of the 3 consoles or even none at all.
Exactly, which is what I'm doing and should I decide to buy a console this gen it won't be the too expensive PS3 nor the laughably overpriced low-tech Wii. Guess that leaves one of the initerations of the Xbox 360.
I fine choice sir. However I still love my Wii to little bits.
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