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Sony: DSi is just for kids

Exec says new handheld won't attract a diverse audience
SCEA director of hardware marketing John Koller has reacted to DSi's launch by labelling the handheld a product for kids that won't appeal to a wide audience.

Released on Friday, DSi boasts a number of features new to the DS range, including cameras, AAC sound file support and its own online store, but Sony's clearly not impressed, firing out the following statement to media.

If Nintendo is really committed to reaching a broader, more diverse audience of gamers beyond the "kids" market that they've always engaged, there isn't much new with the DSi to support that. Significant gamer demographic groups are being ignored, and there continues to be limited opportunities for games from external publishers to do well on the DSi.

Compare that with the PSP platform, where we have many blockbuster franchises from our publishing partners launching this year, representing a wide variety of genres and targeting diverse demographics. Games such as Rock Band Unplugged from MTV Games, Assassin's Creed from Ubisoft, Dissidia Final Fantasy from Square Enix, and Hannah Montana from Disney demonstrate the commitment that publishers have to the PSP. From our own first-party studios, we're launching unique versions of LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm, and we're also planning a steady stream of downloadable games -- both new titles and PSone classics -- to add to the content that PSP owners can already purchase wirelessly through PlayStation Store.


Strong words indeed. Does Koller have a point, or is Sony actually running a little scared of DSi's sales potential? CVG Mike rushed out and bought one at the weekend and he's 25. What say you?

Source: Engadget

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my sister is getting one to play on the train as she commutes everyday to birmingham...
headspin on 6 Apr '09
Speaking of kids isn't about time Sony grow up and stop using this sad, old and boring playground tatics of putting down their competitors. They've been using this one for years that nintendo is "only for kids" and its getting old and is total bullcrap. Its well known that people of all ages own a DS and its ironic when you consider that sony only ever aim they products at one market, the 18-30 year olds. How sad sony are becoming and frankly desperate.
Osiris25 on 6 Apr '09
Pardon me, they're releasing two 1st party games, think Hannah Montanna is hardcore and think some clones make a better console than the DSi?

Pardon me, Chrono trigger and Disgaea are calling.
PixelF on 6 Apr '09
My theory is they've repackaged the standard hardware with a few more bells and whistles to mainly curb the use of modding cartridges. A few women who I work with happily scampered out to buy a unit over the weekend to only be told "NOOOOO!" by the new unit, when booting it up with an R4 nestled inside.

I knew it wouldn't work because I follow gaming news, but your average Joe and Jane probably won't be privvy to such knowledge and it ain't gonna be advertised on the back of the of the box is it?
khr0nik on 6 Apr '09
Funny really as I work in a GAME in a big PlayStation area and I sold a lot of DSi on the weekend to people buying GTA with it as well as many other Nintendo games like Mario Bros and Kart.
G_R7 on 6 Apr '09
Yeah, you have many games coming out that no one's gonna buy. This is a typical response from one of the two companies who think trying to shoot down their opposition with daft comments is gonna boost their own product.

Sony just have to face the fact that they're in no position to talk b******s and should just get on with trying to sell their stuff. Just like Nintendo are doing...
JuiKuen on 6 Apr '09
Poor old Sony, just can't take being beaten by Nintendo. May they ever hold the handheld crown.
AJDarkstar on 6 Apr '09
The DS, whichever version you want to use, is the only machine to have genuinely been taken up by a very diverse demographic this gen, far more so than the Wii in my opinion. It has games for all ages and the PSP doesn't even come close in that respect. Sony have to big up their own products like any other company, but it's this failure to acknowledge the quality and innovation from any other company that cheeses people right off.
svensk101 on 6 Apr '09
GTA is the only game that for adults.

DSi needs more adult games.
wildhook2 on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?
altitude2k on 6 Apr '09
Mmmm. I certainly don't agree with Sony on this one. Saying that, I personally think that the DSi is too expensive for what it is, compared to the previous DS.

On the games front, I find that games like Prof. Layton and Brain Training appeal to all ages. But again, you could happily play those on the previous DS.

Why people are rushing out to get the DSi, just so that they can take a crappy, distorted picture of a blue head, is anybodys guess. Confused
Mark240473 on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?

Yes I got DSi for £75 last Friday.

Dunno for how long though.
wildhook2 on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?

Yes I got DSi for £75 last Friday.

Dunno for how long though.

Gamestation are also doing the same deal, except you don't need the box, all you need is the mains adaptor and Lite. And even if you don't have the mains you can buy a replacement in store which they won't even charge you cash for, they will take the diffence off the trade in.
khr0nik on 6 Apr '09
I pre-ordered my DSi from Game and picked it up on Saturday. I'm 36 years old and, having upgraded from my old original DS, I love it. It looks like it's been chiseled out of graphite (I got the black one).

Aesthetics aside, for me it's a next generation console. It has better, bigger screens, better sound, added features, better processors and has been redesigned; If that's not next gen then I don't know what is.

I think Sony are crapping themselves, as the new look and functionality actually makes the DSi more appealing to the PSP's target age group, in my opinion.
Tao on 6 Apr '09
I have an original DS that I got last Xmas and very rarely play. I have no interest in picking up a DSi. I'm 28. I still regularly play my 360 and PS3.

Does that answer the question?
Dajmin on 6 Apr '09
Thank you Sony, yet again you have validated my reasons for not purchasing any of your hardware in this current generation.

I'm a 23 year old male with a large disposable income, and my DSi turned up on day of release. I'd consider myself to be a pretty typical "enthusiast" type gaming consumer.

Think I'll get a Samsung Bluray player instead of a PS3 to play my movies, as the utter ignorance and arrogance directed at their f**king CUSTOMERS is unreal.
suchthef00l on 6 Apr '09
I have an original DS that I got last Xmas and very rarely play. I have no interest in picking up a DSi. I'm 28. I still regularly play my 360 and PS3.

Does that answer the question?

Same here, I haven't the slightest interest in handheld gaming, and the presentation of many DS games look dreadful - including the new GTA. Apart from the obvious Nintendo stuff, to me, the DS is just like the Wii - all crappy graphics & casual tat.

And can you play the likes of Fallout 3, Half Life 2, Oblivion, Mirrors Edge, GTAIV on any Nintendo platforms?
dodgy1 on 6 Apr '09
Thank you Sony, yet again you have validated my reasons for not purchasing any of your hardware in this current generation.

I'm a 23 year old male with a large disposable income, and my DSi turned up on day of release. I'd consider myself to be a pretty typical "enthusiast" type gaming consumer.

Think I'll get a Samsung Bluray player instead of a PS3 to play my movies, as the utter ignorance and arrogance directed at their f**king CUSTOMERS is unreal.

Laughing

So you'll give Sony your money when you buy the Blu-ray films instead?

And really, you shouldn't take much notice to what exec's say, they are all the same.

My advice? You buy what you want, based on what is the best that you can afford. I don't ever base my purchases on the words of some suit. Very foolish indeed. 'Tis where the 'cutting nose to spite face' comes from.
Mark240473 on 6 Apr '09


Laughing

So you'll give Sony your money when you buy the Blu-ray films instead?

And really, you shouldn't take much notice to what exec's say, they are all the same.

My advice? You buy what you want, based on what is the best that you can afford. I don't ever base my purchases on the words of some suit. Very foolish indeed. 'Tis where the 'cutting nose to spite face' comes from.

I agree completely about buying what is best. I see your point, but here's my thinking- I have a Wii, a decent PC, a DSi, an iPod Touch and a 360- my gaming needs are pretty much satisfied. I was considering picking up a PS3 as I needed a Bluray player, but this is just one more small reason to avoid doing that.

As a consumer the only way to speak is with your wallet. Sony (or their execs) may not care about my personal opinion and aren't going to miss my £300 on it's own, but they're going to be constantly looking at the numbers for this generation and see they've made many mistakes which have cost them a lot of market share.

Snide remarks about your competitors should be kept behind closed doors, especially when it's painfully apparent that the DSi will sell by the metric asstonne to everyone from sunlight deprived JRPG nerds to their Grandma upstairs.

And yes, I know Bluray is a Sony product, shame that but like you said, I've got to buy what's best Sad
suchthef00l on 6 Apr '09
Sounds like they're running scared Laughing I thought it was the games that are targeted to a specific market audience, not the whole console, if the DSi is for kids, then the every handheld console is for kids. The DS's library is just as diverse as the PSP, maybe more even. Oh and GTA Chinatown Wars > Liberty/Vice City stories. Razz
YCshinobi on 6 Apr '09
yes because the Dsi doesn't use all the Ds games that have been popular with a very broad demographic of people and the dsi will no doubt continue to do so.

If anyones interested you can alrady get new flashcarts that run on the dsi.

I didn't know anybody bothered with R4 anymore the guys that made them shut up shop almost a year ago.

Not only will it not work with a dsi any new games you put on it won't either, unless you perform a bit of jiggery pokery and run a custom system menu on it. Even then its a hell of a lot easier to just buy a new one.

I'm happy with my original Ds for now though. don't think i'll get a dsi untill we see a few dsi exclusive games and a price drop.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 6 Apr '09
If so, it's for rich kids.

That's what'd gall me if I were Sony -- that people rush to buy the DSI when it's overpriced by 20%.
Wozzakl on 6 Apr '09
I can see why compared to what the PSP is offering why Sony may see the DSi as nothing but a child's toy. I would pick the DSi over a PSP any day because the games are more interesting to me than those coming out for the PSP, regardless of who has the better graphical capabilities, what is the difference between the PSP and the DSi? Well the DSi has a touch screen for a start which makes the DSi instantly accessible to everyone and with the Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks on the horizon I cannot think of a better handheld to own.
seancuk23 on 6 Apr '09

And yes, I know Bluray is a Sony product, shame that but like you said, I've got to buy what's best Sad

No it's bloody not, Sony are one of the companies involved in Blu-Ray, the full board consists of:

# Apple Inc..
# Dell Inc.
# Hewlett-Packard Company
# Hitachi, Ltd.
# LG Electronics
# Mitsubishi Electric
# Panasonic (Matsus**ta Electric)
# Pioneer Corporation
# Royal Philips Electronics
# Samsung Electronics
# Sharp Corporation
# Sony Corporation
# Sun Microsystems
# TDK Corporation
# Thomson SA
# Twentieth Century Fox
# Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group / Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment
# Warner Bros. Entertainment, In


...slightly more than Sony alone and it makes BR far more than a Sony product.

Yes they will get a share of the licence for all BR sales, but so does everyone else on that list.

As for the comments, come on is anyone actually surprised by any of this, companies (in every industry) do this at the time of a competitors product release. Even Nintendo are not immune from it...

""Mobile phone gaming has been 'going to happen' for a long time. We're still waiting," he said."
Source - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=209613

Just to head off any 'your a Sony fan-boy claims' I would add that I own both a PS3 and a Wii, in addition to a PSP and a DS.

I notice that a couple of the more rabid members here have also pulled out the, sod off Sony Nintendo innovate'.

Bad news in regard to the DS I'm afraid, in comes in the shape of the Tiger Game.com...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game.com

...it may have been a commercial flop, and Nintendo did take the idea and make it work (and Kudos to them for that), but many of the core ideas for the DS appeared first in the game.com.

Its also worth noting that only one hand-held has actually managed to survive for any period of time in the same market at the 'game-boy' family, and that's the PSP. Nintendo have also (quite rightly) borrowed the better ideas from the PSP (music and video playback, on-line store, etc), just as I am sure Sony will borrow from the DSi when they revamp the PSP.

However I'm sure that the more rabid (on both sides) here will be more that happy just sticking to the Sony/Nintendo/MS (delete as applicable) are evil and killing true gaming.

Personally I'm just waiting for Wiiboy101 to arrive and launch a CAPS LOCK tirade of ill-educated abuse.
Scaff on 6 Apr '09
I wonder how many people have just read the "DSi is just for kids say Sony" headline and didn't bother to read the press release itself? Some "creative" journalism it that headline.

Anyway, reading his comments you could strongly argue that Nintendo have targeted the casual market more than kids market and do they have to reach a broader market? I don't think they will care too much.
voodoo341 on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?

Yes I got DSi for £75 last Friday.

Dunno for how long though.

Gamestation are also doing the same deal, except you don't need the box, all you need is the mains adaptor and Lite. And even if you don't have the mains you can buy a replacement in store which they won't even charge you cash for, they will take the diffence off the trade in.

Nice one, thanks.
altitude2k on 6 Apr '09
it does wreak of sony running scared. But if theres something Nintendo have always done well its handhelds. Sony deserve credit for sticking at it and putting up a good fight against nintendo.

That aside, If rumours are true of the dsi getting its own virtual console downloads of gameboy/colour and advance games, its just going to strenghen sales even more. especially if they bundled it with an sd card containing certain handheld classics.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 6 Apr '09


Laughing

So you'll give Sony your money when you buy the Blu-ray films instead?

And really, you shouldn't take much notice to what exec's say, they are all the same.

My advice? You buy what you want, based on what is the best that you can afford. I don't ever base my purchases on the words of some suit. Very foolish indeed. 'Tis where the 'cutting nose to spite face' comes from.

I agree completely about buying what is best. I see your point, but here's my thinking- I have a Wii, a decent PC, a DSi, an iPod Touch and a 360- my gaming needs are pretty much satisfied. I was considering picking up a PS3 as I needed a Bluray player, but this is just one more small reason to avoid doing that.

As a consumer the only way to speak is with your wallet. Sony (or their execs) may not care about my personal opinion and aren't going to miss my £300 on it's own, but they're going to be constantly looking at the numbers for this generation and see they've made many mistakes which have cost them a lot of market share.

Snide remarks about your competitors should be kept behind closed doors, especially when it's painfully apparent that the DSi will sell by the metric asstonne to everyone from sunlight deprived JRPG nerds to their Grandma upstairs.

And yes, I know Bluray is a Sony product, shame that but like you said, I've got to buy what's best Sad

Maybe the quote has been taken out of context, or maybe misconstrued by us? I have a funny feeling that he wasn't refering to the games, rather the below par camera add-on, and such. In that respect he is right because an adult would surely prefer a decent megapixel count?

Like I said before, in a game context, I think he is talking out of his ass.

And who knows what Sony have up their sleeve with the PSP2?
Mark240473 on 6 Apr '09
Well i've got a psp and a ds lite and i never use em! But...maybe it's my vanity now but i would not go out in public playing a ds! There so gay. My mum has one for cryin out loud! And as for the dsi?! Most people's phones are at least 2megapixels. Why on earth would you spend that money on that piece of crap kiddy camera. Just stick to your regular ds for games! How many more times are ninty going to rob people of there cash with new versions of there handhelds?? Gameboy, gameboy colour (pretty similar!). Advance. Advance with back lit screen. Advance sp. Ds. Ds lite. Dsi... What next!!
Markymark22 on 6 Apr '09
When you consider console sales I think he should concetrate on creating a console which will sell more rather than trying to desperately smear the DS.
Samus on 6 Apr '09
Any company outburst that has to rely on mention of Hannah Montana in their upcoming gaming bottomnal is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Oh, and I'm not a fanboy. I own a Wii, PS3, DS, DSi and PSP 3000.
Stu_the_great on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?

Yes I got DSi for £75 last Friday.

Dunno for how long though.

Gamestation are also doing the same deal, except you don't need the box, all you need is the mains adaptor and Lite. And even if you don't have the mains you can buy a replacement in store which they won't even charge you cash for, they will take the diffence off the trade in.

Wait just the DS lite? what about the phat version?
YCshinobi on 6 Apr '09
ds phat forever. inever bought a lite. never will. wonder how many of the guys that were happy keeping thier original ds's will now upgrade to a dsi now that ehre actually is a definitive difference under the hood so to speak between them.
WHERESMYMONKEY on 6 Apr '09
What angers me is that for a game to be for an adult it has to have mature content like violence, swearing or nudity. This is a cop out by Sony, i never needed any of those 3 when playing games on my Snes, Sega Dreamcast or N64, nor do i with the current gen so why can't adults play games with bright colours and surreal settings?

Until Sony breaks barriers with the PSP and even the PS3 i think they need to keep comments to themselves, being in 3rd place this current gen an all. Razz
BenJy! on 6 Apr '09
LIES

GTA chinatown wars... thats all i must say
steeley on 6 Apr '09
ds phat forever. inever bought a lite. never will. wonder how many of the guys that were happy keeping thier original ds's will now upgrade to a dsi now that ehre actually is a definitive difference under the hood so to speak between them.

Well I for one am very tempted, I'm not willing to pay £150+ mind, but if I can trade my original DS and get it for £75, then that sounds like fair deal to me.
YCshinobi on 6 Apr '09
I got my DSi now, upgraded from the Phat and I've got to say it's much better, the lighting, the sound, the interface, the functions. All top notch.

I hope the DSi enhanced gamecards get used for graphical upgrades for use with the DSi because the processor still has breathing room here.

Isn't the main gaming market actually kids and teenagers by the way? I'm not too sure but I could swear that's why the NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2 were all so successful.

The camera may be meager but it gets a decent picture if you're just having a bit of fun, I'd still rather have a proper camera. It's good for use for Warioware Snapped though.

I for one am very happy with the DSi and was well worth the price.
SpoonyRedMage on 6 Apr '09
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Standard on 6 Apr '09
dsi has been such a flop.

Carry on Standard, Carry on.
YCshinobi on 6 Apr '09
How ignorant are Sony?

The DSi isn't just for kids, it's for women too.
chunkyboymania on 6 Apr '09
one thing i don't like though (actually two things) is the loss of the GBA slot and that it is no longer region compatible so its not an upgrade as i'd need to keep my old DS aswell. although more to the point Sony is only saying this because the psp is the biggest flop since Dreamcast. Its only still alive because it has the Sony mammoth backing it.
steeley on 6 Apr '09
..and Sony's competition to the DSi, a games machine that has around 3 decent games! I know of 2 non-games playing women that bought one this weekend each with a copy of Professor Layton and they are both over 40. They wouldn't even know what a PSP is (but then most people don't)
mqblank on 6 Apr '09
The DS has 3 good games? What crack are you on, it has loads of brilliant gameS(although your mileage may vary). Especially JRPGs, could do with a few more shooters(only a few).

@Steeley: THe GBA slot would take up too much room and was structurely weak but yer, I hear you, I'm keeping my DS for that very reason.

Regions only matter for the online features by the way, physical DS games are still region free.
SpoonyRedMage on 6 Apr '09
Sony, honestly now, keep you bloody PSP and all your damn **** products and try nd sell them without using your same old lousy tricks.

Oh, and I take it everyone at sony has a DSi then, since they all seem to be acting like kids Rolling Eyes .
wiikii007 on 6 Apr '09
dsi has been such a flop.

Carry on Standard, Carry on.

Nooooo....just pretend you didn't read it.
altitude2k on 6 Apr '09
We should all be getting used to the usual cheap, nasty tactics from Sony. If they were truly unfazed and unthreatened by the release of the DSi then they wouldn't bother to release a press statement at all.

Regardless of what you think about the DSi (I'm a Ninty fan and I probably won't be getting one), you cannot question the scope and variety of DS software. Yes, it has a fair bit of cheapo shovelware (as any console that is relatively inexpensive to develop for has), but it also has a large sackful of out and out classics that appeal to all age groups.

The DS has been a huge success, not only because it appeals to the lucrative kids market, but because Nintendo have always understood and 'got' what portable gaming should be about. Quick bursts of enjoyable, accessible gameplay. Unlike Sony, who think that you simply port over a game that was developed for prolonged play at home and stick it on a power sapping handheld that is as good as unusable without the aid of an adaptor and wall socket.

The general public just aren't that bothered with looking at fancy, high-end visuals on a handheld. More-so than the home consoles, graphics come second to gameplay.
carterlink on 6 Apr '09
It still true that GAME are offering the DSi half price if you trade in a DS Lite with box/manual etc.?

Yes I got DSi for £75 last Friday.

Dunno for how long though.

Gamestation are also doing the same deal, except you don't need the box, all you need is the mains adaptor and Lite. And even if you don't have the mains you can buy a replacement in store which they won't even charge you cash for, they will take the diffence off the trade in.

Wait just the DS lite? what about the phat version?

Uber delayed response, but its Lites only unfortunately.

Also, to anyone needing a replacement mains adaptor they cost £8 in store.
khr0nik on 6 Apr '09
SINGLE SCREEN AND DIRECTION PAD = GAMEBOY ERA = PSP COUGH LAFF COUGH LAFF COUGH LAFF.......

DUAL SCREEN = NEXT GEN TOUCH SCREEN = NEXT GEN DUAL MOTION SENCING SHAPE COLOUR RECONDNITION CAMERAS= NEXT GEN

MINI DISC UMD = CD ERA OUT DATED CRAP


DSI ONLY CARTS AND SD CARD SUPPORT = FUTURE PROOF MEDIA


SONY AND UR FANS SHUT THE FOOK UP
wiigodboy101 on 6 Apr '09
^^ Yet more proof to support the argument that only kids buy it.

"Strong words indeed. Does Koller have a point, or is Sony actually running a little scared of DSi's sales potential? CVG Mike rushed out and bought one at the weekend and he's 25. What say you?"

He has a mental age of seven?
TescoPeeledPlums on 6 Apr '09
I wonder how many people have just read the "DSi is just for kids say Sony" headline and didn't bother to read the press release itself? Some "creative" journalism it that headline.

And I wonder how many die hard Sony fans read the story and glossed over the fact that Sony really don't take the DS (or the DSi) seriously?

I've spotted one already.
Suivatam109PS3 on 6 Apr '09
Not that it was a difficult one to guess but I did say....


Personally I'm just waiting for Wiiboy101 to arrive and launch a CAPS LOCK tirade of ill-educated abuse.

...and look what we get.


SINGLE SCREEN AND DIRECTION PAD = GAMEBOY ERA = PSP COUGH LAFF COUGH LAFF COUGH LAFF.......

DUAL SCREEN = NEXT GEN TOUCH SCREEN = NEXT GEN DUAL MOTION SENCING SHAPE COLOUR RECONDNITION CAMERAS= NEXT GEN

MINI DISC UMD = CD ERA OUT DATED CRAP


DSI ONLY CARTS AND SD CARD SUPPORT = FUTURE PROOF MEDIA


SONY AND UR FANS SHUT THE FOOK UP

Any chance you could shut up and let people capable of having a reasoned discussion actually have one?

In the off chance you actually want to address a few things seriously.

Touch screens
- see Tiger Game.com and a lot of questions regarding it you have never answered.

Flash Memory - The PSP and phones have been using this to store media and games for rather a long time now.

Cameras - 0.3megapixel, hardley able to challenge even the cheapest phones for image quality and not even a first for a handhold (yes the PSP camera is an add-on but its been around for quite a while).

Wiiboy once again all you do is post rather pathetic arguments that make anyone who like Nintendo look bad.

Yes the DSi does pack an awful lot into its case, but not all of it is innovative and not all of it originated with Nintendo and this next bit is the most importanat.

None of it is worth acting like a spoilt little 7 year old who have been told off by his mum.

If you are a young kid you need a lesson in manners, if you are however an adult (as you claim) then quite frankly you have no excuse and I seriously doubt you would address any of us in this manner face to face.

So why not do us all a favour and sod off.
Scaff on 6 Apr '09
A HAND HELD BASED AROUND A OUT DATED HANDHELD CONCEPT (GAMEBOY ERA) AND A SPINNING DISC (PORTABLE CD PLAYER ERA)= OBSOLETE HANDHELD STATMENT OF DESIGN FACT I DONT DO OPINION OPIONIONS ARE THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE WEAK MINDED

SINGLE SCREEN HANDHELDS OF THE PAST WITH OUT TOUCH ALSO

ALL GAMEBOYS FROM GB TO GBA INCLUDING SP AND MICRO

ATARI LYNX

N-GAGE

GIZMONDO

SEGA GAMEGEAR

MOAST PHONES

THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON THE LETS TRY AND FIGHT GAMEBOY AND COPY EVERYTHING NINTENDO DO

SO THAT = A SINGLE SCREEN NO TOUCH SCREEN AND A DIRECTION PAD AND BUTTONS


THATS A GAMEBOY ERA DEVICE """"""""""""FACT""""""""

WHAT COPYS THIS OUT DATED DESIGN BUT ALSO GOES EVEN MORE ""DUM BACKWARD"" WITH A SLOW BATTERY HUNGRY EASY TO BREAK STUPID OUT DATED DISC DRIVE

THE PSP


IF A GAMING HAND HELD IS NOT DUAL SCREENED ITS ""OBSOLETE"" IF ITS NOT TOUCHSCREEN THEN ITS """OBSOLETE""

IF ITS COUGH DISC BASED MEDIA ITS """OBSOLETE""


ONLY DS AND MORE SO DSi are next gen to a SANE person

ps3 and x360 also NOT NEXT GEN BASHING PADS YOU HOLD IN BOTH HANDS IS """LAST GEN"""""


THE PSP IS NOT A CURRENT GEN MACHINE LONGGGGG LOADING TIMES CRAPPY CONTROLS NO DUAL SCREEN AND NO TOUCH SCREEN ARE NOT NEXT ANYTHING



ITS A RIP OFF OF EVERYTHING """GAMEBOY ERA"""
wiigodboy101 on 6 Apr '09
I've got to say Wiiboy isn't worse than any of the other fanboys here, he just has a less popular opinion.

But yer, no need to insult Sony just because they insulted the DS and it's users(I'm sure as hell not a kid).

I love my DS(i) though, probably my favourite gaming system of all time.
SpoonyRedMage on 6 Apr '09
SONY RELEASED A SINGLE SCREENED NON TOUCH SCREENED DIRECTION PAD HANDHELD 20 YEARS AFTER NINTENDO DID JUST THAT....


AND APPARENTLY SONY MATTERS AND HAS A PLACE IN GAMING INDUSTRY


SONY FANS PLEASEEEEE FOR GODS SAKE TAKE A LONGGGGG HARDDDD LOOK AT YOUR SELFS
wiigodboy101 on 6 Apr '09
Double post - ignore
Scaff on 6 Apr '09
A HAND HELD BASED AROUND A OUT DATED HANDHELD CONCEPT (GAMEBOY ERA) AND A SPINNING DISC (PORTABLE CD PLAYER ERA)= OBSOLETE HANDHELD

The DS is based around a technology first seen on a handheld back in 1997, so I would say that's quite an outdated concept if we are using your argument.

I also see you have failed to address any of the actual points made, and have once again slipped into CAPS LOCK anger mode.

So let me bring back up a few (old and new) questions you have failed to answer.

You claim to be an engineer, what do you have your engineering degree in (along with what current field you work in)?

You claim that the DS is Nintendo innovation at its finest, if so explain the Tiger game.com?

You claim that Nintendo don't pander to the 'set-top entertainment crowd' and only focus on core gaming, so explain the video content coming in Japan on the Wii and the inclusion of audio, video and picture tech on the DSi (in particular it non gaming applications) and why Nintendo have deviated from your nonsense.

Explain exactly why you think that the Toshiba Spurs upscalling system will be in the WiiHD (which you have made up the sepcs for) when you were totally unaware that the Spurs system uses the same Cell that powers the PS3)? In a nutshell why you want a PS3 powered Wii.

Can I also have a link to that Wii clocked to 3.2 ghz that you claim will outperform both a PS3 and a 360.


I don't dislike Nintendo (so please don't take this as an attack on Nintendo - why would I attack kit I own), but rather an attempt to get you to actually address points in a meaningful way (or just sod off).

However fingers crossed you will manage to get banned again soon.

STATMENT OF DESIGN FACT I DONT DO OPINION OPIONIONS ARE THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE WEAK MINDED

Now aside from the totally ludicrous notion that opinion is for the weak minded, nothing you have actually posted is fact, its all opinion.

Hmmm, given that maybe you do have a point about the weak minded.

Congratulations on now managing to insult yourself.
Scaff on 6 Apr '09
single screen and buttons handhelds of the """PAST"""

GAMEBOY/GAMEBOY COLOUR/GBA-SP-MICRO

LYNX/GAMEGEAR/N-GAGE/GIZMONDO all handhelds OF THE PAST not the current or the future ONLY THE PAST

ALL COPY THE GAMEBOY CONCEPT A SCREEN AND SOME BUTTONS....

MANY MANY MANY YEARS LATER WE HAVE THE DS AND NOW DSi

sony have a handheld with a single screen that is not touch screen and even more STUPID its spinning disc based media witch in a ipod/sd card flash drive no moving parts era is sad joke...

owning a psp is like owning a portable cd player and walking round thinking ur cool wen everyone else has mp3 or other players with no discs

PSP IS PLAIN SAD


SPINNING DISC= OBSOLETE

NO TOUCHSCREEN= OBSOLETE

NO DUAL SCREEN= OBSOLETE

ITS A GAMEBOY WITH ADDED MEDIA ITS NO NEXT GEN HANDHELD THATS THE DSi
wiigodboy101 on 6 Apr '09
I love my DS(i) though, probably my favourite gaming system of all time.

Same here, and I've been a gamer since the NES days. So many top-quality games, so much diversity. Very Happy
Stu_the_great on 6 Apr '09
mobile phones = solid state storage like flash/sd cards...

ds dsi again solid state storage memory and sd cards

satnav again flash or and sd cards

netbooks PDAs etc again flash drives and sd cards

some still use harddrives but very rare now


PSP A SLOW ASSSED OUT DATED POWER HUNGRY STUPID DISC


YEAH PSP MAKES SENSE ONLY TO AN IDIOT THE DEVICE WAS COMPLETELY OBSOLETE BEFORE IT EVEN EXISTED


DONT ARGUE AGAINST TECHNOLAGY FACT IT MAKES YOU LOOK SILLY

SONY FANS

DONT GET ME STARTED ON MORON STICKS OH SORRY SONY STICKS


the whole dam world uses sd cards SO STUBBEN SONY INVENT A STUPID SONY STICK

SONY FANS LOOK AT UR SELFS AND THEN PLACE HEAD IN THE SAND


HERES LAFFING AT YOU SONY KIDS
wiigodboy101 on 6 Apr '09
DSi is hardly ground breaking but this comment is just pathetic. What the DSi has done is bring Nintendo's hardware up to the standards of the PSP but I can't see Sony bringing up the standard of software to the level of the DS.
treesmurf 11 on 6 Apr '09
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Standard on 6 Apr '09
mobile phones = solid state storage like flash/sd cards...

ds dsi again solid state storage memory and sd cards

satnav again flash or and sd cards

netbooks PDAs etc again flash drives and sd cards

some still use harddrives but very rare now


PSP A SLOW ASSSED OUT DATED POWER HUNGRY STUPID DISC


YEAH PSP MAKES SENSE ONLY TO AN IDIOT THE DEVICE WAS COMPLETELY OBSOLETE BEFORE IT EVEN EXISTED


DONT ARGUE AGAINST TECHNOLAGY FACT IT MAKES YOU LOOK SILLY

SONY FANS

DONT GET ME STARTED ON MORON STICKS OH SORRY SONY STICKS


the whole dam world uses sd cards SO STUBBEN SONY INVENT A STUPID SONY STICK

SONY FANS LOOK AT UR SELFS AND THEN PLACE HEAD IN THE SAND


HERES LAFFING AT YOU SONY KIDS

I take it you are aware that the Sony Memory Stick actually pre-dates SD cards by over a year (Sony Memory stick launched 1998, SD cards came out in 2000), so you may want to actually check in future before going on another of your little rants.

It also worth noting that the DSi has been available with an SD card in the UK for how many days now?

Now Wiiboy how about answering a few of those questions you have been avoiding.
Scaff on 7 Apr '09
I would have to say as a music player the DSi leaves a lot to be desired.

Supporting AAC - fair enough but why no MP3 support and why make it so hard to transfer your music.

Also check the info status of your itunes songs as they may be locked and you can't convert or transfer them to your SD card.
barrett on 7 Apr '09
wiigodboy101, as much as I'm on Nintendo's side, you make some invalid points there. i.e. Dual screen gaming is even more out-dated than single screen gaming seen as Nintendo did that yonks a go with the dual screen Game & Watches Rolling Eyes
dark_gamer on 7 Apr '09
All videogames suck.
CYBORGchimpish on 7 Apr '09
UMD= STUPID

SONY STICKS= STUPID

SINGLE SCREEN = OLD OUT DATED THINKING

No TOUCH SCREEN= AGAIN OUT DATED AND PLAIN DUM

ONLY DSi matters
wiigodboy101 on 8 Apr '09
UMD= STUPID

SONY STICKS= STUPID

SINGLE SCREEN = OLD OUT DATED THINKING

No TOUCH SCREEN= AGAIN OUT DATED AND PLAIN DUM

ONLY DSi matters

So I will take that as a no in regard to answering any questions and you are simply back to your CAPS LOCK rants.

Post up a coherent argument, rather than a list of half-baked and in-accurate opinions.
Scaff on 8 Apr '09
its simply the DSi a single screen and control is out dated and obsolete psp is a gameboy era machine the concept of one screen and no touch screen is completely and utterly obsolete its an out dated stupid machine.....

more reasons its completely obsolete DISCS who uses discs on a handheld its like using a portable cd in a mp3 ipod mini portable player era disc based handhelds are again OBSOLETE AND OUT DATED it also requires outragus loadtimes to load from disc some are even 6 minutes long DSi has no loading waits what so ever

touchscreen is genius for handheld gaming a touch screen plus another screen above is a godsent ITS PURE GENIUS touching screen and havingh another one for sweet 3d viouals IS GREAT FOR GAMING AND THINGS LIKE FPS GAMES

iphone is obsolete only one screen yes its touch but theres only one

psp is not just one screen but no touch its completely out of date

the only NEXT GEN HANDHELD ON EARTH IS DSi

two screens/touch screen/mic/traditional buttons/two cameras with motion sensing and face recognition

power dsi is 2x system clock speed pover ds and 4x ram so its basically psp power with out the loadtimes


get a DSi or be left holding a out dated handheld

* 3 days ago


YES I WON BEST ANSWER AT YAHOO QESTIONS AND ANSWERS THE GUYS NOW BUYING A DSI
wiigodboy101 on 8 Apr '09
its simply the DSi a single screen and control is out dated and obsolete psp is a gameboy era machine the concept of one screen and no touch screen is completely and utterly obsolete its an out dated stupid machine.....

Glad to see you back with another rant and congrats on getting another thread locked in the Playstation forum. I guess another ban can't be that far away now.



more reasons its completely obsolete DISCS who uses discs on a handheld its like using a portable cd in a mp3 ipod mini portable player era disc based handhelds are again OBSOLETE AND OUT DATED it also requires outragus loadtimes to load from disc some are even 6 minutes long DSi has no loading waits what so ever

A comment which quite simply proves you have no idea what the hell you are on about.

Not a single disc on the PSP takes even close to six minutes load at all.

Its also interesting to note that the DSi has borrowed quite a few ideas from the machine you call obsolete.

Music playback, video playback, picture browsing, camera functionality, flash memory card storage, all on a PSP in one form or another.



touchscreen is genius for handheld gaming a touch screen plus another screen above is a godsent ITS PURE GENIUS touching screen and havingh another one for sweet 3d viouals IS GREAT FOR GAMING AND THINGS LIKE FPS GAMES

Yes its a shame that Tiger beat Nintendo to the punch in regard to a touchscreen handheld by quite a few years with the Game.com.

Still that's one of those subjects that you like to ignore like a true fan-boy.



iphone is obsolete only one screen yes its touch but theres only one

Yes of course its obsolete. Now tell me again how exactly do you answer phone calls on the DS1 again?



psp is not just one screen but no touch its completely out of date

News flash - just because Wiiboy says something doesn't make it true.



the only NEXT GEN HANDHELD ON EARTH IS DSi

two screens/touch screen/mic/traditional buttons/two cameras with motion sensing and face recognition

power dsi is 2x system clock speed pover ds and 4x ram so its basically psp power with out the loadtimes

PSP
two 333 MHz MIPS32 R4000-based CPUs
GPU with 2 MB onboard VRAM running at 166 MHz
32 MB main RAM
4 MB embedded DRAM in total

DSi
CPU: ARM processor clocked at 133 MHz
RAM: 16 MB of RAM

PSP processing power, I don't think so Wiiboy, not even close.

The DS and DSi are great handhelds, but you are doing them no favours at all with the utter bull you love to spout.



get a DSi or be left holding a out dated handheld

* 3 days ago


YES I WON BEST ANSWER AT YAHOO QESTIONS AND ANSWERS THE GUYS NOW BUYING A DSI

Wow yahoo questions, that well know bastion of technical knowledge and know how.

However just for a laugh - give us a link then so we can see just how you put yourself across on Yahoo.


BTW - You still owe me the answers to a lot of questions, so come on Wiiboy get answering. You know what they are, I've asked them enough times (and you have avoided them just as many).
Scaff on 8 Apr '09
DSi

main cpu 133mhz fully programmable 3d engine 133mhz

secondery cpu 66mhz iwram and catch ram and 2 x 2D(with 3d extensions) sound hardware

ALL ON ONE CHIP

RAM 16MB 128BIT FCram (fast embedded dram)

high speed cart loading streaming and at least 1gb DSi only carts

iphone and psp have nothing to offer over DSi THERE OBSOLETE AS GAMING DEVICES
wiigodboy101 on 9 Apr '09
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