Microsoft's worst kept secret, Forza Motorsport 3, has been semi-officially revealed during a briefing at its Brazilian headquarters in Sao Paulo.
As you can see from the video below, a partially covered logo that's unmistakably Forza appears in the platform holder's line-up for 2009. You can see it about 6:58 in the video.
The third instalment in the Turn 10 racing series is far from a secret though, as details on the game were leaked last summer, followed by yet another leak earlier this year with artwork from the game.
According to the smuggled details Forza 3 will include over 100 tracks and 400 cars on a two-disc set. We'll almost definitely see more at E3 in June. If we don't, we'll eat the office. All of it.
To be honest, that's all I need to know to be happy for the year - Forza 3 promises to be one hell of a game. I loved the second one and I'm really not a big racing game fan.
the 2nd one was s**t so i don't hold out much hope that this one will be any better.
I personally think it is one of the best Driving Sims I have played. Fantastic feeling of weight in the cars and changes made to set up and tuning really make the car feel different. Far better than GT in my opinion. Although I have a real soft spot for the arcadey games like Outrun.
the 2nd one was s**t so i don't hold out much hope that this one will be any better.
I personally think it is one of the best Driving Sims I have played. Fantastic feeling of weight in the cars and changes made to set up and tuning really make the car feel different. Far better than GT in my opinion. Although I have a real soft spot for the arcadey games like Outrun.
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Oh, I see, you are a fanboy. That explains it. It is highlighted by your inability to ellaborate.
the 2nd one was s**t so i don't hold out much hope that this one will be any better.
I personally think it is one of the best Driving Sims I have played. Fantastic feeling of weight in the cars and changes made to set up and tuning really make the car feel different. Far better than GT in my opinion. Although I have a real soft spot for the arcadey games like Outrun.
development of it was announced months ago, but everyone kept secret from cvg. http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11241&Itemid=39
Didn't the second Gran Turismo come on 2 discs? One for the career the other for the arcade options? I don't remember it actually bothered me and presumably with the ability to install games to the hard disk there shouldn't be any need to swap disks (unless you made the poor choice of buying the arcade model).
the only driving game that actually manages to be more boring than gran turismo.
absolutely mundane!
It certainly is not as mundane as GT.... I loved the first 2 GTs but they have been severely hampered by lack of damage. Forza is far more interesting as you have to make sure you drive properly as going off track or hitting other drivers gives you penalties as well as damage. Also tuning effects are far more noticeable in Forza.
However I see your point as I am a big fan of the more light hearted racing games like Mario kart, ridge racer and outrun etc.
Finally, something i can look forward to this year. I hope that they do not do the same thing as 2 were they just recycle the tracks to make the numbers up. That bit was boring. Here's hoping for a few more British tracks (oulton park, snetterton or croft). The tracks i loved on the original toca touring car games. I enjoyed Race Pro. But have gone back to Forza 2 for the time being.
shameless GT rip off. its as near as they'll get. they need to pin their hopes on something... anything.
the graphical difference between GT5P, the "demo" and forza 2 is f**king MILES. one looks photo realistic, one looks like a ps2 game.
and the graphics in PGR are mince as well, least it was fun, but you've lost that developer. and forza's team are doing the new PGR meant to be. haha. they will f**k that up good and proper. and you'll have two boring racing games.
can't see it being in development that long! if they already have the majority of cars and tracks done from the previous game, so all they need to do is tweak things add new cars and tracks etc and there away!
100 tracks? probably 10-15 and the rest will be just a different combination of turns from which 50 will be released month after main game in 800 or 1200 worth points packs, same with the cars - 50 on the discs, rest through dlc.
Take into consideration that Forza 2 was originally supposed to be for xbox 1. Then at the last minute cancelled and pushed forward to xbox360.
take into account its a 360 game.
many games started out on anotehr platform. the end product is the end product. its their fault they couldnt get it up to scratch, theres no excuse.
Turn 10 even stated that they did indeed sacrifice some graphics to maintain 60fps and to include a full damage engine. I think they made the right compromise.
svd_grasshopper, as you clearly don't like the Forza series, or racing sims from what I can work out, I'm not sure why you've even left a message. No one cares if all you can say is unjustified negative comments. Driving around tracks, over and over again is boring if you're not good at it and therefore don't enjoy it. As for Forza looking like a PS2 game... that's about as ridiculous a comment as I've heard from a PS3 fanboy. Grow up.
Now, my thoughts on Forza 3. I don't think this game will have any where near 100 tracks. It's going to have many alternate, shortened versions of bigger tracks. Plus, along with those snaking test tracks, I think it's likely to have more like 35 actual full racing tracks, at best. I hope they put some more of the Formula One tracks into this version.
What I really want to see is a separate leaderboard for those who use driver aids (ABS, Traction, automatic, etc), and those who play it as a full on simulation. Forza 2 is an amazing simulation, but once you start using all the driver aids, you reduce the game to a typical arcade racer. At least keep the two styles apart in leaderboards so we're not having arcade racing compared to simulation.
unjustified? it is boring. you only need to play a good racer like PGR or MC to become instantly aware of that.
if the racing games are as bespectacledly anal as that, and a bore into the bargain, id rather go for a real life b-road spin, and put my DCCD full rear.
svd_grasshopper, I don't care for watching golf, cricket or snooker on TV. Because I don't like them I find them boring. And as such I wouldn't bother to join a forum discussing matters related to those sports.
Personally I found PGR too arcadey. I don't care for arcade racing games, so I don't play them and I certainly don't bother leaving negative messages on forums about them. Forza, admittedly with all the driver aids turned off, is a very good racing simulation. Perhaps you need a driving game to allow you to hit walls without your car taking damage, or have cars stick to the road unrealistically.. good for you... but making stupid comments about a game you have little skill at, nor play, is beyond me. If GT ever appears and is reported on, leave messages on those forums, but do us all a favour and keep your childish comments about games you don't like to yourself.
Here's a thought for the GT people moaning about Forza 2's graphics, it has damage where as the GT games sacrifice it for an extra artificial level of sheen.
Oh and heres another thought: chances are that all 3 Forza games will have been released in the time it took to make GT 5.
svd_grasshopper, I don't care for watching golf, cricket or snooker on TV. Because I don't like them I find them boring. And as such I wouldn't bother to join a forum discussing matters related to those sports.
Personally I found PGR too arcadey. I don't care for arcade racing games, so I don't play them and I certainly don't bother leaving negative messages on forums about them. Forza, admittedly with all the driver aids turned off, is a very good racing simulation. Perhaps you need a driving game to allow you to hit walls without your car taking damage, or have cars stick to the road unrealistically.. good for you... but making stupid comments about a game you have little skill at, nor play, is beyond me. If GT ever appears and is reported on, leave messages on those forums, but do us all a favour and keep your childish comments about games you don't like to yourself.
tvs are for watching, forums are for debating. am i ruining the feel good factor you dicks gets by hyping up s**te games and agreeing with each other 100%? c**t.
and i play GT with all aids off. actually if you keep them on, and steer L or R, the game applys the brakes straight away!! fake subsitute for supposed traction control.
and im no wall rider. thats a disgrace people who do that. i just powerslide round corners, even though its slower than careful entry speed... its more fun!
meanwhile your hunched round your screen with your tongue hanging out trying to concentrate, anally and endlessly tweaking your virtual performance car.
I agree, forums are for debating and discussing. Read through your previous messages and imagine someone had written such pointless comments about a game you enjoy and more importantly were completely incorrect. By all means justify why PGR isn't boring and Forza is, but keep it civilised. Yes, it's easy to just slag a game off you don't like. I would've thought as a gamer, you'd rather discuss games in a positive manner than just let us all know you hate a game. I hate 99% of games, but fortunately for all those that love these games I don't waste time telling everyone how much I hate them.
I agree, forums are for debating and discussing. Read through your previous messages and imagine someone had written such pointless comments about a game you enjoy and more importantly were completely incorrect. By all means justify why PGR isn't boring and Forza is, but keep it civilised. Yes, it's easy to just slag a game off you don't like. I would've thought as a gamer, you'd rather discuss games in a positive manner than just let us all know you hate a game. I hate 99% of games, but fortunately for all those that love these games I don't waste time telling everyone how much I hate them.
people do it all the time, like the people who say GTA4 is s**te. i argue back, as the forum is for. i dont start crying.
and saying i find forza BORING is not incorrect. its true.
why would i discuss it in a positive manner when its s**te?
forza is an xbox answer to GT, thats why your all buzzing around it like flys on a s**te!
Personally I can't wait for GT to come out... not that I'll be playing it, but hopefully it'll give all the angry PS owners something to do, rather than spread their mindless, childish, unintelligent, pointless drivel around forums. I guess we won't be seeing an end to that for another year at least.
If you watched that whole video just to get a glimpse at a game logo you might want to rethink your life. Forza is a great game but it's pretty hardcore sometimes. As far as GT goes LOL LOL LOL has that not come out yet? Maybe I'm thinking of the $40 demo LOL.
Personally I can't wait for GT to come out... not that I'll be playing it, but hopefully it'll give all the angry PS owners something to do, rather than spread their mindless, childish, unintelligent, pointless drivel around forums. I guess we won't be seeing an end to that for another year at least.
Don't waste your breath Jenson, there's no point arguing with grasshopper and co. They are so blind to anything that doesn't appear on the PS3, that your points will be ignored.
As the saying goes, never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Just be comfortable in the fact that Forza 2 and Forza 3 will be out and playable long before Gran Turismo 5 is out.
I'd love for someone to explain how Forza2 can be more "Boring" than GT5p, or any previous GT game..
Forza2's got better handling, better tuning, more competitive racing, online multiplayer, the auction house, livery designer, not to mention damage.
I guess the cars paint isn't as realistically shiny, and interiors aren't modelled, so that must be where you get your fun.
Forza 3, if it continues the improvement in the series, will be the best pure racer available. GT5 *full* will have to go some to match it, let alone beat it.
The biggest change I'm hoping for with Forza 3 is a separation of the leaderboards. A pro leaderboard (with manual gears, tyre wear, no map and no driver aids on) and one for casual/arcade gamers for those who prefer (or can only play) with all the aids and assists on. However seeing as no game has ever had leaderboards differentiated between hardcore players and the casual/easy gamer I'm not expecting this this game to be any different. The industry isn't exactly known for breaking the mould on what's gone before.
Also, although this probably goes a little against what most people probably like about this game, I want to see less 'Wacky Racers' type cars with dull, salesman's get-abouts and mother's school-pick-up-mobiles having unbelievably powerful engines and incredible upgrades that have them compete with true sports cars. It's a little too 'computer-game' seeing a Golf or the like compete or beat a Ferrari or Pagani.
They would do well to drop all those test tracks that feature heavily at the begining of the career mode too. I can't imagine anyone prefers those over the proper racing tracks. I want to see more full racing tracks rather the usual handful of tracks with all their variations which will make up the majority of the 100 tracks. I'd love to race around all the Formula One tracks (especially seeing as the new F1 game is likely to be very arcadey seeing as who's making that game).
SVD and Standard, well well well fancy seeing you here. It's funny, I know that without them here we would all just discuss how much we enjoy Forza (as a game, not because it's on a specific machine... Sigh), what we are hoping for in the next installment etc and not have to bite to their obvious baiting, but you have to admit their frothing fanboyism does provide a comic relief of sorts, despite them being a pair of poisonous little scrotes. Just face it fella's, some people prefer Forza to GT, including myself. Doesn't make them wrong. Now run along.
Anyway... Forza 2 was absolutely ace. Car handling and 'feel' were spot on, admittedly the presentation and graphics were a little dry, but as far as actual driving went, Forza is top of the pile. I actually spent hours in the livery editor (My Akuma Z350 is still one of my proudest Xbox achievements, and I didn't even get additional gamerscore!), the whole package was excellent. GT for me just hasn't evolved enough, it's still basically the same model underneath all the spit and polish, hence why Forza has me excited for the next installment, GT does not.
In fact, I should go back to 2, still got things to finish there! Playing Midnight Club at the moment, which I have been really impressed with, great fun.
the 2nd one was s**t so i don't hold out much hope that this one will be any better.
I personally think it is one of the best Driving Sims I have played. Fantastic feeling of weight in the cars and changes made to set up and tuning really make the car feel different. Far better than GT in my opinion. Although I have a real soft spot for the arcadey games like Outrun.
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Oh, I see, you are a fanboy. That explains it. It is highlighted by your inability to ellaborate.
idiot
i don't feel the need to ellaborate to an xbot like you.
I kinda agree that Forza was a little boring, but on the same token I thought the same about GT, when you play with no aids on it is better, but it still feels slow on the main straights.
My fav right now has got to be Grid, had it for ages and still play it frequently, fast, good graphics, good damage, decent handling, pretty realistic. I also liked PGR4 though. Lets just hope Forza 3 improves the speed feeling to make it that bit more fun.
HA HA HOW DELUDED ARE YOU XBOX LOT FORZA IS NOT EVEN A PATCH ON GRAN TURISMO AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT. YOUR LIKE AN OWNER OF A SKODA COMPARED TO AN OWNER OF A FERRARI WAKEY WAKEY XBOX PEOPLE AND GET BACK TO GEARS OF BORE
HA HA HOW DELUDED ARE YOU XBOX LOT FORZA IS NOT EVEN A PATCH ON GRAN TURISMO AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT. YOUR LIKE AN OWNER OF A SKODA COMPARED TO AN OWNER OF A FERRARI WAKEY WAKEY XBOX PEOPLE AND GET BACK TO GEARS OF BORE
Right, you don't exactly make your point any more relevant by putting it all in caps. In fact, you just end up looking more of a fool.
If you're so sure of this - could you explain why you think there is such a gulf between Forza and GT?....maybe make some actual points that could be discussed? - or did you just think up this Skoda/Ferrari analogy, figured you were really smart for coming up with it and decided to post it onto the forum so everyone can marvel at your genius?
Graphics: GT > Forza Simulation: Forza > GT (damage engine) Visual customisation: Forza > GT Performance customisation: GT > Forza (sheer number of upgrades)
It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. My cup of tea is simulation, therefore Forza is my choice.
Graphics: GT > Forza Simulation: Forza > GT (damage engine) Visual customisation: Forza > GT Performance customisation: GT > Forza (sheer number of upgrades)
It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. My cup of tea is simulation, therefore Forza is my choice.
I think that's a pretty fair comparison and I pretty much agree. The thing is, they're both very similar games but they both excel in different ways.
I actually bought Forza 2 primarily for the customisation options (I'd heard so many great things about it - plus, the game is very cheap in most shops), but I ended up addicted to it. It's a fantastic game.
did anyone ever heard that clarkson is playing forza? or did vettel or hamilton ever said something about forza, but what they know about driving a car, eh?amateurs...
HA HA HOW DELUDED ARE YOU XBOX LOT FORZA IS NOT EVEN A PATCH ON GRAN TURISMO AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT. YOUR LIKE AN OWNER OF A SKODA COMPARED TO AN OWNER OF A FERRARI WAKEY WAKEY XBOX PEOPLE AND GET BACK TO GEARS OF BORE
As a person who's played all the Gran turismo games apart from GT5 prologue, I have to say Forza 2 was a breath of fresh air for me. The handling model was spot on, the car classes are better thought out (Power indexes rather than classes) and the multiplayer was amazing. The problem is since GT2, Gran Turismo has been no more than a graphical update (GT3) and a change to the roster of cars.
My other problem with GT is how you start the career mode in Daihatsu Cuores or Toyota Yaris'. No harm to people who drive these cars, but I don't exactly aspire to driving them in my life time. My first car in Forza 2 was a VW Corrado VR6 which funny enough, I would actually like to drive sometime soon.
Finally, can I correct you about your analogy? You obviously know very little about cars given your choices. For example, Skoda have made great inroads in improving their name and aren't the coldwar car manufacturer they once were. Furthermore, if you were after a good realiable performance car, then the Skoda Octavia VRS (essentially a Golf GTI/GT TDI in cheaper and IMO, better looking clothing) is hard to ignore. Furthermore, comparing it to a Ferrari (unless it's an old Ferrari in which case the Octavia VRS might stand a chance) is just lunacy. I may as well compare a Mini cooper S to a Caparo T1 or a Brawn GP car to a Citreon Rally car.
Ironic you should choose Ferrari though given how they've been available in PGR and Forza for many years now and only recently in GT5 Prologue. If that's not a good example of "playing catchup", I don't know what it.
did anyone ever heard that clarkson is playing forza? or did vettel or hamilton ever said something about forza, but what they know about driving a car, eh?amateurs...
GT is certainly the more established franchise. I would expect someone who was going to buy a console mainly for racing games without having much of an overall knowledge of games to go for the one they've heard of.
I very much doubt they compared the two before choosing. Maybe it would have been a different story if they had.
did anyone ever heard that clarkson is playing forza? or did vettel or hamilton ever said something about forza, but what they know about driving a car, eh?amateurs...
GT is certainly the more established franchise. I would expect someone who was going to buy a console mainly for racing games without having much of an overall knowledge of games to go for the one they've heard of.
I very much doubt they compared the two before choosing. Maybe it would have been a different story if they had.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation, and you think that clarkson as car's and not only journalist would've choose something just because it's popular, he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car, i'm sorry if your opinion doesn't match professional's.
Well Parma Violet having played through the entire Gt Series, then having played the forza series at a mates house, I have to say that my theory is correct. The Gt series goes into the game with far more depth than the Forza series it goes without question that Gt is the better game by far. It is my opinion and your entitled to yours but if the Gt Series was out on the Xbox you lot would be rushing out to buy it leaving Forza sat on the shelves!!!
did anyone ever heard that clarkson is playing forza? or did vettel or hamilton ever said something about forza, but what they know about driving a car, eh?amateurs...
GT is certainly the more established franchise. I would expect someone who was going to buy a console mainly for racing games without having much of an overall knowledge of games to go for the one they've heard of.
I very much doubt they compared the two before choosing. Maybe it would have been a different story if they had.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation, and you think that clarkson as car's and not only journalist would've choose something just because it's popular, he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car, i'm sorry if your opinion doesn't match professional's.
But I don't want to be a professional racing driver or car journalist. I want to enjoy a racing game in my spare time.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation, and you think that clarkson as car's and not only journalist would've choose something just because it's popular, he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car, i'm sorry if your opinion doesn't match professional's.
If you're trying to prove to use that the professionals "always use the best", then it's a poor example. It is widely regarded that GT and Forza are far from the perfect simulations and if anyone worth their salt as a professional driver were looking for an authentic simulation then the GTR games on PC are they place to go.
Vettel as you say is a gamer and I'm sure that's why he plays GT or whatever game he likes - to gain enjoyment from it. I'm sure he isn't using it for 'homework'. Many F1 teams have accurate car model simulators to prepare their drivers before the race, toyota being an example.
HA HA HOW DELUDED ARE YOU XBOX LOT FORZA IS NOT EVEN A PATCH ON GRAN TURISMO AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT. YOUR LIKE AN OWNER OF A SKODA COMPARED TO AN OWNER OF A FERRARI WAKEY WAKEY XBOX PEOPLE AND GET BACK TO GEARS OF BORE
As a person who's played all the Gran turismo games apart from GT5 prologue, I have to say Forza 2 was a breath of fresh air for me. The handling model was spot on, the car classes are better thought out (Power indexes rather than classes) and the multiplayer was amazing. The problem is since GT2, Gran Turismo has been no more than a graphical update (GT3) and a change to the roster of cars.
My other problem with GT is how you start the career mode in Daihatsu Cuores or Toyota Yaris'. No harm to people who drive these cars, but I don't exactly aspire to driving them in my life time. My first car in Forza 2 was a VW Corrado VR6 which funny enough, I would actually like to drive sometime soon.
Finally, can I correct you about your analogy? You obviously know very little about cars given your choices. For example, Skoda have made great inroads in improving their name and aren't the coldwar car manufacturer they once were. Furthermore, if you were after a good realiable performance car, then the Skoda Octavia VRS (essentially a Golf GTI/GT TDI in cheaper and IMO, better looking clothing) is hard to ignore. Furthermore, comparing it to a Ferrari (unless it's an old Ferrari in which case the Octavia VRS might stand a chance) is just lunacy. I may as well compare a Mini cooper S to a Caparo T1 or a Brawn GP car to a Citreon Rally car.
Ironic you should choose Ferrari though given how they've been available in PGR and Forza for many years now and only recently in GT5 Prologue. If that's not a good example of "playing catchup", I don't know what it.
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
Now grasshopper, you know when you talk cars, I find it hard to disagree with you.
Top of my list for a weekend car over the VR6 would be an Audi Quattro but it's so hard to find a good looked after one for sensible money.
I've been on the lookout for a race blue Octavia VRS for a while now but here in Northern Ireland, they are quite rare to come by. I'll maybe have to go to the mainland for one. I did look at the Leon FR but heard the suspension is a bit softer than the VRS and GTI so I've ruled it out.
I do like golfs but as you say they are too common. It's nearly as bad as the Mini Cooper epidemic that seems to be on the roads these days.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation, and you think that clarkson as car's and not only journalist would've choose something just because it's popular, he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car, i'm sorry if your opinion doesn't match professional's.
If you're trying to prove to use that the professionals "always use the best", then it's a poor example. It is widely regarded that GT and Forza are far from the perfect simulations and if anyone worth their salt as a professional driver were looking for an authentic simulation then the GTR games on PC are they place to go.
Vettel as you say is a gamer and I'm sure that's why he plays GT or whatever game he likes - to gain enjoyment from it. I'm sure he isn't using it for 'homework'. Many F1 teams have accurate car model simulators to prepare their drivers before the race, toyota being an example.
he didn't play f1 games only and i didn't said that those guys are looking for ultimate sim, i'm sure it's about good driving experience simplified to enjoy it on the couch without falling asleep while playing most simulators on pc.
outrun. enjoyable for about 2 minutes. until you realise your clamped to the track while you pull off an eternal powerslide.
MC is a good middle ground. amazing fun and sense of speed, not unrealistic and not boring.
gran turismo is ALL about staying on track, come off it and your f**ked.
and im sure it has damage the new one, but who cares.
grid had good damage.
MC is average at best. It is also far too chavvy (Although not as chavvy as NFS).
Forza is also about staying on track as you loose both speed and inherit a time penalty for leaving the track at all. However it is very easy to stay on track in GT as you can just use the other cars to help guide you around.
let them have their fun.
shameless GT rip off. its as near as they'll get. they need to pin their hopes on something... anything.
the graphical difference between GT5P, the "demo" and forza 2 is f**king MILES. one looks photo realistic, one looks like a ps2 game.
and the graphics in PGR are mince as well, least it was fun, but you've lost that developer. and forza's team are doing the new PGR meant to be. haha. they will f**k that up good and proper. and you'll have two boring racing games.
FORZA does copy many things about GT but implements them far better. The graphics (as if they make much difference in gameplay anyway) are overall better in GT5 "DEMO" but I think the car models look better in Forza while the environments are massively better in GT. However as I rarely take any notice of the environments while I am trying to shave .1 secs of a lap time I would rather the car models are better and the physics more realistic. I only really notice the environment graphics when watching others play.
Also if you think it looks like a PS2 game then you have very elevated memories of what PS2 games look like, the PS2 had the worst graphics of the 4 last gen consoles. However as graphics are not that important to me I fully enjoyed many PS2 games.
Well Parma Violet having played through the entire Gt Series, then having played the forza series at a mates house, I have to say that my theory is correct. The Gt series goes into the game with far more depth than the Forza series it goes without question that Gt is the better game by far. It is my opinion and your entitled to yours but if the Gt Series was out on the Xbox you lot would be rushing out to buy it leaving Forza sat on the shelves!!!
I disagree, I would not buy GT if it was on 360. I never bought it on PS2 as I got bored of the series after the second one.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation,
Er, I think you'll find that's because Playstation had the only F1 game for several years. No longer the case, thanks to Codemasters.
...clarkson .. he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car,
You said it yourself. Clarkson said that "a few years ago" when GT3 / 4 was the current GT title, and Forza 2 didn't even exist.
Try again fella...
but hamilton or vettel entered f1 scene after i sold and forgot about forza 2 and i didn't said that they were playing f1 games only. btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation, and you think that clarkson as car's and not only journalist would've choose something just because it's popular, he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car, i'm sorry if your opinion doesn't match professional's.
If you're trying to prove to use that the professionals "always use the best", then it's a poor example. It is widely regarded that GT and Forza are far from the perfect simulations and if anyone worth their salt as a professional driver were looking for an authentic simulation then the GTR games on PC are they place to go.
Vettel as you say is a gamer and I'm sure that's why he plays GT or whatever game he likes - to gain enjoyment from it. I'm sure he isn't using it for 'homework'. Many F1 teams have accurate car model simulators to prepare their drivers before the race, toyota being an example.
he didn't play f1 games only and i didn't said that those guys are looking for ultimate sim, i'm sure it's about good driving experience simplified to enjoy it on the couch without falling asleep while playing most simulators on pc.
Thereby disproving your original point. If Vettel choose to play GT, then that's his choice as a gamer and not as a driver. He could be a binman and may still choose to play GT but that's neither here nor there. What Vettel as a GAMER plays has no ground in which is the better simulation game and you are incorrect to bring it up.
As for your Clarkson comment earlier, I wouldn't rely on one feature where he tried to beat his time around the Laguna Seca in an NSX. The game was chosen for the track selection and as a game that people would recognise, not as an accurate simulation. Besides, he failed to beat the GT4 time partly due to real world fear but also down to game inaccuracies (weight shifting, grip etc) which gave an unrealistic time to beat.
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
Now grasshopper, you know when you talk cars, I find it hard to disagree with you.
Top of my list for a weekend car over the VR6 would be an Audi Quattro but it's so hard to find a good looked after one for sensible money.
I've been on the lookout for a race blue Octavia VRS for a while now but here in Northern Ireland, they are quite rare to come by. I'll maybe have to go to the mainland for one. I did look at the Leon FR but heard the suspension is a bit softer than the VRS and GTI so I've ruled it out.
I do like golfs but as you say they are too common. It's nearly as bad as the Mini Cooper epidemic that seems to be on the roads these days.
the FR will be more spongey than a cupra R. dont think they have brembos either and craper wheels and bodykit. must be Ł5k or Ł6k now for a good cupra R, great deal for over 200bhp and performance brakes.
and for my second car i was gonna get an audi quattro, a 2004 s4. 330bhp, seen a good one for Ł13k. 4.2L engine though, gas guzzler.
that or an E46 M3, also 330bhp, same price.
or a evo 8 MR or a spec C impreza, again same power and similar prices. got the scoob.
btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
The only aspect of the GT-R (not GT) that Polyphony Digital had an input it was the onboard digital computer display. Nissan developed the rest of the car including the electronic aids.
I'm intrigued to know exactly how Topgear (BBC's topgear right?) had any input in the car so can you provide me a link?
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
Now grasshopper, you know when you talk cars, I find it hard to disagree with you.
Top of my list for a weekend car over the VR6 would be an Audi Quattro but it's so hard to find a good looked after one for sensible money.
I've been on the lookout for a race blue Octavia VRS for a while now but here in Northern Ireland, they are quite rare to come by. I'll maybe have to go to the mainland for one. I did look at the Leon FR but heard the suspension is a bit softer than the VRS and GTI so I've ruled it out.
I do like golfs but as you say they are too common. It's nearly as bad as the Mini Cooper epidemic that seems to be on the roads these days.
the FR will be more spongey than a cupra R. dont think they have brembos either and craper wheels and bodykit. must be Ł5k or Ł6k now for a good cupra R, great deal for over 200bhp and performance brakes.
and for my second car i was gonna get an audi quattro, a 2004 s4. 330bhp, seen a good one for Ł13k. 4.2L engine though, gas guzzler.
that or an E46 M3, also 330bhp, same price.
or a evo 8 MR or a spec C impreza, again same power and similar prices. got the scoob.
And the point is?
We have a 70mph max speed limit (most of our road is 40mph or less) and speed bumps and cameras on practically every street. 330bhp is not going to get you anywhere particularly faster than someone in a smart car. Also I love to laugh at all the idiots who have think they know better than the car companies and lower their cars to make them utterly useless on the road. I overtook a guy in a heavily modified supra the other week as he had to practically stop for every speed bump and pot hole..... Subaru, Toyota, Nissan etc spend millions making their road cars handle as perfect as possible on the road and chavs come along and bugger them all up. The only possible benefit of lowering a car is to make it more fuel efficient as a rough underside cars (ie practically every road car) benefit from being lower by controlling the boundry layer under the car and decreasing the drag. However this is normally wasted by putting a whopping spoiler or wing on the car.......
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation,
Er, I think you'll find that's because Playstation had the only F1 game for several years. No longer the case, thanks to Codemasters.
...clarkson .. he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car,
You said it yourself. Clarkson said that "a few years ago" when GT3 / 4 was the current GT title, and Forza 2 didn't even exist.
Try again fella...
but hamilton or vettel entered f1 scene after i sold and forgot about forza 2 and i didn't said that they were playing f1 games only. btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
Hamilton started F1 in March 2007, Forza 2 was released in June 2007. Please can you let me have a go in your time machine?
Polyphony were brought in by Nissan to develop the in car display for the car, I am pretty sure Nissan do not have anything to do with the games development apart from providing car data just like the other manufacturers and obviously just like many other games including Forza. I would love to know what input Top Gear have in the production of the game. (Perhaps they offered their views on camera angles for the spectator mode).
Oh Dear Ds Master owns a poor mans console too. You keep telling yourself that Forza 2 is Good if it makes you feel better
What kind of retarded comment is that? A poor mans console? Mate I paid Ł300 for my PS3 and it's the best dust collector I've ever had, but it wasn't worth that. By your remedial logic you pay more for a better console? Firstly, that isn't even on topic, and secondly if he didn't think Forza was good, he wouldn't be saying it. Do you even think before rabidly tapping responses out? Seriously, for every rational person on here there is a member of the pondlife society. Your arguments and 'points' (I use this term loosely) are utter garbage.
Can't you come back when you have something valid to say? I'm figuring you will be gone a while.
btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
The only aspect of the GT-R (not GT) that Polyphony Digital had an input it was the onboard digital computer display. Nissan developed the rest of the car including the electronic aids.
I'm intrigued to know exactly how Topgear (BBC's topgear right?) had any input in the car so can you provide me a link?
you got it all wrong, people behind nissan gt are helping in gran turismo development, it's all in video clips available in gt5p. oh ffs, just admit that gt is bettter than forza and i'm done.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation,
Er, I think you'll find that's because Playstation had the only F1 game for several years. No longer the case, thanks to Codemasters.
...clarkson .. he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car,
You said it yourself. Clarkson said that "a few years ago" when GT3 / 4 was the current GT title, and Forza 2 didn't even exist.
Try again fella...
but hamilton or vettel entered f1 scene after i sold and forgot about forza 2 and i didn't said that they were playing f1 games only. btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
Hamilton started F1 in March 2007, Forza 2 was released in June 2007. Please can you let me have a go in your time machine?
Polyphony were brought in by Nissan to develop the in car display for the car, I am pretty sure Nissan do not have anything to do with the games development apart from providing car data just like the other manufacturers and obviously just like many other games including Forza. I would love to know what input Top Gear have in the production of the game. (Perhaps they offered their views on camera angles for the spectator mode).
they made their brilliant track available for average joes. hamilton was driving/testing f1 and other cars before .
btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
The only aspect of the GT-R (not GT) that Polyphony Digital had an input it was the onboard digital computer display. Nissan developed the rest of the car including the electronic aids.
I'm intrigued to know exactly how Topgear (BBC's topgear right?) had any input in the car so can you provide me a link?
you got it all wrong, people behind nissan gt are helping in gran turismo development, it's all in video clips available in gt5p. oh ffs, just admit that gt is bettter than forza and i'm done.
Apart from the part where Polyphony Digital are designing the display for the GTR (why do you keep calling it the gt?), I can find nothing to back up that claim. Like Leefear1 said, numerous car companies provide data about their cars for the game, not just nissan. The same process happens with Forza or Race Pro and doesn't mean anything.
And I'd hardly call allowing the use of the topgear track as aiding development.
In order for me to claim GT was better than Forza, GT would have to have damage, more realistic handling controls, better car class system, less of the shopping cars and more ephasis on tire wear and mechanical fatigue. Until that point, I'm not going to admit anything, just because you're telling me to.
GT - my fave race sim series. Mario Kart Wii - awesome game.
Forza 2 - only played it once but it seemed boring. The graphics are really drab, I'd say the problem is with the art style rather than the technical side of things. Damage modelling is good though, this should surely be standard in race sims nowadays.
Lack of damage still doesn't stop Gran Turismo being great though. Think I'm just gonna get a PS3 when GT5 finally comes out.
GT - my fave race sim series. Mario Kart Wii - awesome game.
Forza 2 - only played it once but it seemed boring. The graphics are really drab, I'd say the problem is with the art style rather than the technical side of things. Damage modelling is good though, this should surely be standard in race sims nowadays.
Lack of damage still doesn't stop Gran Turismo being great though. Think I'm just gonna get a PS3 when GT5 finally comes out.
Lack of damage is exactly what stops it from being great. It has the tag line "the real simulator" yet lack of damage does not seem very real to me. In a arcade racer lack of real damage is actually a good thing, but in a sim it is unforgivable. The fact that Forza has better physics and damage more than makes up for the graphical weakness, gameplay is king after all.
vettel is a gamer like most of us here, he knew what to choose, he said that many times that he learned tracks on playstation,
Er, I think you'll find that's because Playstation had the only F1 game for several years. No longer the case, thanks to Codemasters.
...clarkson .. he stated it few years ago that gran turismo is the closest couch experience to drive a racing car,
You said it yourself. Clarkson said that "a few years ago" when GT3 / 4 was the current GT title, and Forza 2 didn't even exist.
Try again fella...
but hamilton or vettel entered f1 scene after i sold and forgot about forza 2 and i didn't said that they were playing f1 games only. btw new gt game is made with the same people on board who developed brilliant nissan gt, plus boys from top gear had their input too.
Hamilton started F1 in March 2007, Forza 2 was released in June 2007. Please can you let me have a go in your time machine?
Polyphony were brought in by Nissan to develop the in car display for the car, I am pretty sure Nissan do not have anything to do with the games development apart from providing car data just like the other manufacturers and obviously just like many other games including Forza. I would love to know what input Top Gear have in the production of the game. (Perhaps they offered their views on camera angles for the spectator mode).
they made their brilliant track available for average joes. hamilton was driving/testing f1 and other cars before .
Well done you have managed to completely out argue yourself. First you say that you sold forza 2 before Hamilton entered f1 then you go on to say that hamilton was in f1 long ago. erm....... Well done.
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
Now grasshopper, you know when you talk cars, I find it hard to disagree with you.
Top of my list for a weekend car over the VR6 would be an Audi Quattro but it's so hard to find a good looked after one for sensible money.
I've been on the lookout for a race blue Octavia VRS for a while now but here in Northern Ireland, they are quite rare to come by. I'll maybe have to go to the mainland for one. I did look at the Leon FR but heard the suspension is a bit softer than the VRS and GTI so I've ruled it out.
I do like golfs but as you say they are too common. It's nearly as bad as the Mini Cooper epidemic that seems to be on the roads these days.
the FR will be more spongey than a cupra R. dont think they have brembos either and craper wheels and bodykit. must be Ł5k or Ł6k now for a good cupra R, great deal for over 200bhp and performance brakes.
and for my second car i was gonna get an audi quattro, a 2004 s4. 330bhp, seen a good one for Ł13k. 4.2L engine though, gas guzzler.
that or an E46 M3, also 330bhp, same price.
or a evo 8 MR or a spec C impreza, again same power and similar prices. got the scoob.
And the point is?
We have a 70mph max speed limit (most of our road is 40mph or less) and speed bumps and cameras on practically every street. 330bhp is not going to get you anywhere particularly faster than someone in a smart car. Also I love to laugh at all the idiots who have think they know better than the car companies and lower their cars to make them utterly useless on the road. I overtook a guy in a heavily modified supra the other week as he had to practically stop for every speed bump and pot hole..... Subaru, Toyota, Nissan etc spend millions making their road cars handle as perfect as possible on the road and chavs come along and bugger them all up. The only possible benefit of lowering a car is to make it more fuel efficient as a rough underside cars (ie practically every road car) benefit from being lower by controlling the boundry layer under the car and decreasing the drag. However this is normally wasted by putting a whopping spoiler or wing on the car.......
mine aint lowered or has a big spoiler on it..
its a spec C. 0-60 3.8 seconds. thats the point.
who said anything about breaking the speed limit? ill just get there a whole lot quicker.
takes the danger out of overtaking completely.
can pass 3 or 4 cars in the time it takes you to crawl past one.
the corrado VR6 is a good car. very old school, butch and rare.
was thinking of getting an octavia VRS for my first car. really good entry level perfomance car.
got a leon cupra R instead, same 1.8T engine as the golf and skoda, except a bit more horsepower, brembo brakes and a bit smarter (although the skoda is very smart, and like its underdog status)
HATE golfs. box on wheels, far too common. the uninspired choice.
Now grasshopper, you know when you talk cars, I find it hard to disagree with you.
Top of my list for a weekend car over the VR6 would be an Audi Quattro but it's so hard to find a good looked after one for sensible money.
I've been on the lookout for a race blue Octavia VRS for a while now but here in Northern Ireland, they are quite rare to come by. I'll maybe have to go to the mainland for one. I did look at the Leon FR but heard the suspension is a bit softer than the VRS and GTI so I've ruled it out.
I do like golfs but as you say they are too common. It's nearly as bad as the Mini Cooper epidemic that seems to be on the roads these days.
the FR will be more spongey than a cupra R. dont think they have brembos either and craper wheels and bodykit. must be Ł5k or Ł6k now for a good cupra R, great deal for over 200bhp and performance brakes.
and for my second car i was gonna get an audi quattro, a 2004 s4. 330bhp, seen a good one for Ł13k. 4.2L engine though, gas guzzler.
that or an E46 M3, also 330bhp, same price.
or a evo 8 MR or a spec C impreza, again same power and similar prices. got the scoob.
And the point is?
We have a 70mph max speed limit (most of our road is 40mph or less) and speed bumps and cameras on practically every street. 330bhp is not going to get you anywhere particularly faster than someone in a smart car. Also I love to laugh at all the idiots who have think they know better than the car companies and lower their cars to make them utterly useless on the road. I overtook a guy in a heavily modified supra the other week as he had to practically stop for every speed bump and pot hole..... Subaru, Toyota, Nissan etc spend millions making their road cars handle as perfect as possible on the road and chavs come along and bugger them all up. The only possible benefit of lowering a car is to make it more fuel efficient as a rough underside cars (ie practically every road car) benefit from being lower by controlling the boundry layer under the car and decreasing the drag. However this is normally wasted by putting a whopping spoiler or wing on the car.......
mine aint lowered or has a bif spouiler on it..
its a spec C. 0-60 3.8 seconds. thats the point.
who said anything about breaking the speed limit? ill just get there a whole lot quicker.
takes the danger out of overtaking completely.
can pass 3 or 4 cars in the time it takes you to crawl past one.
You wouldn't on the roads I drive on as you can't see around all the blind bends and far too much oncoming traffic to safely pass no matter how quick your car. plus I would catch you up at all the traffic lights (trust me I see it every day with all sorts of suped up cars, in fact only the other day I saw a subaru in a ditch after what looked like a doomed overtaking move). Plus overtaking at that speed can be very dangerous as 1 second the car in front sees you behind then next you are along side, which can lead the driver to not see you and therfore possibly execute a move of his own and wipe both lives of the map (a very common occurence with motorbikes due to their ballistic acceleration). A few years ago I saw someone come very close to killing himself and others as he overtook 6 cars in a powered up skyline. Cars were coming the other way at 60 and if I had not slammed on the brakes to let him pull infront of me he would be dead. The worst of it is that he started swearing at me (which almost made me wish I had let him kill himself).
your under the impression cause i have a fast car i drive like a maniac, not so.
spec C is a trackday car. theres a BIG difference between it, and a normal top of the range uk subaru. it was built for corners. doesnt mean i try bend the laws of physics.
i got bored, arguing which is better is pointless, sometimes i'm having mood for baiting blinded fanboys, i really enjoyed forza2 and gt5p or previous installments, it's good to have few unique racing games to choose from, isn't it? forza3 will keep me busy until gt5 arrives, that's all.
i got bored, arguing which is better is pointless, sometimes i'm having mood for baiting blinded fanboys, i really enjoyed forza2 and gt5p or previous installments, it's good to have few unique racing games to choose from, isn't it? forza3 will keep me busy until gt5 arrives, that's all.
Fair enough, that's acceptable I guess. Some people just look for different things in a game. Forza 2 filled a lot of the gaps that GT4 left which is why I'm so keen on Forza 3. GT5 in the meantime, I've not heard much but it could be the game to make me buy a PS3 finally.
your under the impression cause i have a fast car i drive like a maniac, not so.
spec C is a trackday car. theres a BIG difference between it, and a normal top of the range uk subaru. it was built for corners. doesnt mean i try bend the laws of physics.
Fair enough. My point about the acceleration catching out other drivers still stands though.
I wish I could justify doing up a car. But the amount of miles I do a year basically mean my view on cars is completely different - they're consumables...workhorses. At least until I can afford a second, but even then I would prefer to do up an older car, a Capri or a Spitfire perhaps?
What can 3 offer as new over 2 other than graphics and a few tweaks. I think they need 2make the multiplayer gameplay as good and exciting as single player. Also whatever happened to the talk of big monthly tounaments that I expected for 2... they never really tapped into the online potential.
The idea of weekly qualifying sessions to determine grid position for the monthly finals... I should be a creative game designer. Lol
Im sorry xbox fanboys, but while foza 2 was a good game gt5 prologue beat it by miles, and its about an 8th of the size of the actual gran tourismo, less cars, less tracks, no modding, but it still manages to bury the x boxes prime racer, unless forza 3 is magically better ( which i doubt, ) that is the way its gonna stay,
Just to say, i did actually like forza 2, but i just thaught gran tourismo was better,
and i have an xbox and a ps3, for you accusers of lying!
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