iPod house Apple could be eyeing a buyout of Electronic Arts, if "chatter" in the financial markets are anything go by.
Market Analysis big cheese Guy Adami (so not some bloke in the pub then) has said there's been "chatter" of Apple eying the games publishing giant as a possible takeover target.
EA was unavailable for comment when we picked up the phone, but it's obvious from its numerous Take-Two merger bids that the company's keen to expand - and Apple's obviously looking to impact the game space too.
I was always surprised that apple hadn't entered the console market. If they buy out EA I expect them to announce a console sometime in the next few years. Imagine the combined wealth of EA and apple!.They would be able to throw mountains of money at publishers to secure exclusivity for their console. Nervous times for Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.
I concur with the sentiments expressed above. With the recent news that EA/BioWare will be releasing Dragon Age without DRM and no mandatory online registration there is renewed hope that one of the biggest game publishers may finally be coming back around to sanity. Apple is one of the last companies I want to see take over EA despite my strong feelings against EA in the recent past.
This better not happen, I hate the iPhone as a gaming platform. I can have more fun playing my Gameboy Color than using that piece of crap to have fun with.
The only time I can use my iPhone and enjoy myself is late at night to watch some nice, hardcore, Asian po-
Didn't apple launched a games machine in the 80s or something?
EA are starting to get better than they have ever been, I really think this would be a major step backwards. Mind you it might mean some games for Apple desktops.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
spoken like a person who's never used a mac...
i used to think a little bit like you and there are a shed load of mac loving tw@ts that treat apple like a religion who i utterly despise. The truth of it is that mac's and mac os is just a better system all round. i use a pc and a mac. The pc takes bloody ages to boot up and get its sh1t together, the mac does not. the mac runs multiple apps better than the pc. in fact i use xp as a virtual system from time to time and it runs windows better than my pc! i use it as a work tool (Keynote, FCP. motion etc) not a toy and i can say whole heartedly that mac's are well ahead of pc's.
as for Apple taking over EA? Gawd i hope not but it wouldn't surprise me.
you cant even set your own EQ on an ipod. its the worst mp3 player, with the biggest dominance.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
I agree, ipods are rubbish for the price. There are worse players out there but there are also far better for far less money. But then you don't get a set of poor quality white headphones with the others to let everyone know how much you just got ripped off.
Macs are also the most useless machines. Very expensive and practically everyone I know that has one, has xp installed on it to do anything useful. The screens on their laptops (apart from the pros) are horrible, especially considering they are traditionally the preserve of graphic designers. Practically every program that they use is available on the PC in an identical (Photoshop, lightroom, illustrator, premier etc). I like the way that macs do some things (like uninstalling apps etc) however this does not make up for the general uselessness of them.... ahhh if only commodore had not destroyed the Amiga......
you cant even set your own EQ on an ipod. its the worst mp3 player, with the biggest dominance.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
I agree, ipods are rubbish for the price. There are worse players out there but there are also far better for far less money. But then you don't get a set of poor quality white headphones with the others to let everyone know how much you just got ripped off.
Macs are also the most useless machines. Very expensive and practically everyone I know that has one, has xp installed on it to do anything useful. The screens on their laptops (apart from the pros) are horrible, especially considering they are traditionally the preserve of graphic designers. Practically every program that they use is available on the PC in an identical (Photoshop, lightroom, illustrator, premier etc). I like the way that macs do some things (like uninstalling apps etc) however this does not make up for the general uselessness of them.... ahhh if only commodore had not destroyed the Amiga......
what do they have to use xp on their mac's for? i am genuinely interested to know. i keep xp on my macbook pro for a few video converter programs and just to have the pc version of crappy powerpoint.
as for the argument about having the same programs...well yeah they have a lot of the same but if you take photoshop for example, especially with large files the mac is a lot faster at processing the graphics, effects, filters etc and is therefore better equiped to do the job. I'm no mac fanboy as i said in my previous post but they're better machines, well at least the OS is more efficient, faster and less of a headache generally. i guess the hardware is pretty much the same these days.
people just love to hate apple and there are many reasons to do so, some of the fanboys are the stupidest c0cks you'll ever see/meet but i see little point in saying they're useless when that's simply untrue. try one and you might just like them.
you get a pc, you know everything you buy for it is gonna work or have drivers. you buy a computer to solves headaches, not induce them.
I get that you don't like macs, fair enough.. but do you really believe that? Windows based PC's have their fair share of problems, especially in regards to drivers of all things!
I agree the old one button mouse is a little restrictive at times.. although nothing stops you plugging in a two button one!
I wouldn't give up my macbook for any windows based laptop.... as for a gaming rig, I'm windows all the way!
Oh my GOD!!!! First off, I have had 2 Mac Book Pro's, currently got a 2009 model, and I have an iPod. That's where Apple belongs, these products are fantastic and great, but with the iPod it has total control of the market, IMO it would be utterly devastating if they did the same with Games plus you can GARANTEE that prices will shoot through the roof, Apple and EA monoplise the market, then as put up prices. I'm happy with the market and it's 3 players. Let's just leave it like it is shall we? Apple should just stay the hell away from the games business.
you cant even set your own EQ on an ipod. its the worst mp3 player, with the biggest dominance.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
Ooohhhh, an anti Mac man. Well fu*k u mate. And your moma, I mean you just implied I wear spectacles and mimic a women's naughty bit's. You insulta me I insulta u, tw*t.
you cant even set your own EQ on an ipod. its the worst mp3 player, with the biggest dominance.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
I agree, ipods are rubbish for the price. There are worse players out there but there are also far better for far less money. But then you don't get a set of poor quality white headphones with the others to let everyone know how much you just got ripped off.
Macs are also the most useless machines. Very expensive and practically everyone I know that has one, has xp installed on it to do anything useful. The screens on their laptops (apart from the pros) are horrible, especially considering they are traditionally the preserve of graphic designers. Practically every program that they use is available on the PC in an identical (Photoshop, lightroom, illustrator, premier etc). I like the way that macs do some things (like uninstalling apps etc) however this does not make up for the general uselessness of them.... ahhh if only commodore had not destroyed the Amiga......
what do they have to use xp on their mac's for? i am genuinely interested to know. i keep xp on my macbook pro for a few video converter programs and just to have the pc version of crappy powerpoint.
as for the argument about having the same programs...well yeah they have a lot of the same but if you take photoshop for example, especially with large files the mac is a lot faster at processing the graphics, effects, filters etc and is therefore better equiped to do the job. I'm no mac fanboy as i said in my previous post but they're better machines, well at least the OS is more efficient, faster and less of a headache generally. i guess the hardware is pretty much the same these days.
people just love to hate apple and there are many reasons to do so, some of the fanboys are the stupidest c0cks you'll ever see/meet but i see little point in saying they're useless when that's simply untrue. try one and you might just like them.
For a start they have to have xp to use any bespoke programs written for company use as the vast majority of in house software is written in .net (and mono still is not fully equipped yet) also most of the licenses bought by companies are for windows versions of the software and therfore they need XP on their machines to run this too. The there are drivers etc in order to use company hardware. Also if you need to do something really unusual you are far more likely to find a windows program to do it than a mac program. Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network, hence at the company I am currently working for if the graphic designers want to hold on to their precious macs then they have to live without a network, email etc. If you like games then Macs are lacking so XP is essential.
I use photoshop and lightroom on a regular basis and it works fine on my 5 year old athlon based PC. I have used it on Macs and it is no quicker than on a current spec PC. I process hundreds of photos per week so I would certainly notice any speed problems. I also do not have to put up with poor screens. I first used macs in the amiga days and afterwards went for around a decade before seeing another one, then we had a couple of macbooks bought in for some graphic designers. I was astonished at how poor the screens were! I can't understand how they do their work on them!
I concur with the sentiments expressed above. With the recent news that EA/BioWare will be releasing Dragon Age without DRM and no mandatory online registration there is renewed hope that one of the biggest game publishers may finally be coming back around to sanity. Apple is one of the last companies I want to see take over EA despite my strong feelings against EA in the recent past.
Agreeing with you 100%. EA are starting to go back to their roots and actually be good again. The last people we want are Apple in the industry with their poison. No doubt we would see more stupid platforms in use much like the EA Downloader but based in their Itunes s**t. Oh great.
If this happens I think EA would just dry up altogether. Please let the industry stand together and tell Apple to stick playing with hardware.
if Apple want in the gaming world they should merge with sony, but still let sony run sony, this would be a big f u to microsoft and the xbox. We should have the good points of the Platstation but apple might have a couple new ideas
Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network
That's an interesting comment, what issues do you actually have?
I am not entirely sure as I am a programmer not a network admin. However we do not allow macs onto the network due to the problems in locking them down and other security related issues. Also every other company I have worked for has done the same (or allowed macs on to a ring fenced network). Now I know I can't give specifics but the network guys I have worked with have been excellent at their jobs and some have even owned macs themselves for various reasons yet all have agreed on not allowing them on the networks.
if Apple want in the gaming world they should merge with sony, but still let sony run sony, this would be a big f u to microsoft and the xbox. We should have the good points of the Platstation but apple might have a couple new ideas
They will just remove all the buttons and then put the price up.
Apple comes comes into the game market by taking over EA, then wants more and decides to get in on the console market, collaborates with nintendo to make a console... So Sony and Microsoft say fu(k that and collaborate with each other to make the ultimate console, call it wishful thinking but it would be awesome non the less!
For a start they have to have xp to use any bespoke programs written for company use as the vast majority of in house software is written in .net (and mono still is not fully equipped yet) also most of the licenses bought by companies are for windows versions of the software and therfore they need XP on their machines to run this too. The there are drivers etc in order to use company hardware. Also if you need to do something really unusual you are far more likely to find a windows program to do it than a mac program. Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network, hence at the company I am currently working for if the graphic designers want to hold on to their precious macs then they have to live without a network, email etc. If you like games then Macs are lacking so XP is essential.
I use photoshop and lightroom on a regular basis and it works fine on my 5 year old athlon based PC. I have used it on Macs and it is no quicker than on a current spec PC. I process hundreds of photos per week so I would certainly notice any speed problems. I also do not have to put up with poor screens. I first used macs in the amiga days and afterwards went for around a decade before seeing another one, then we had a couple of macbooks bought in for some graphic designers. I was astonished at how poor the screens were! I can't understand how they do their work on them!
Well if the company has PC only programs i don't know why it would allow anyone to have a mac!
As for the crap screen, i have a macbook pro so can't comment on the standard laptops. just buy a pro model instead. your graphic designers should have been bought pro models anyway, the standard machines don't have as much grunt.
as for the pc being just as quick, well i have to take your word for it and hopefully you will mine in that my particular circumstances the mac is faster. my pc is 4gb ram, dualcore with a ati firegl v5600 graphics card and it's just slower which is bloody annoying.
we have a mixed network at my office and have no problems having mac's on there. obviously you can't run a windows policy on them to lock them down and i don't want to suggest your IT guys don't know how to use them properly but we've had no problems. it sounds to me like they should just get rid of the mac's no matter how 'precious' they are.
I really hate Apple more than any other company, all their products are overpriced cheap crap given a nice shiny finish, Apple really needs to be stopped!
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network
That's an interesting comment, what issues do you actually have?
I am not entirely sure as I am a programmer not a network admin. However we do not allow macs onto the network due to the problems in locking them down and other security related issues. Also every other company I have worked for has done the same (or allowed macs on to a ring fenced network). Now I know I can't give specifics but the network guys I have worked with have been excellent at their jobs and some have even owned macs themselves for various reasons yet all have agreed on not allowing them on the networks.
I'm a network admin guy and can say we have issues with our Design department who all use Macs. They're also a bunch of tw@'s, but I'm not implying that the two are linked!
Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network
That's an interesting comment, what issues do you actually have?
I am not entirely sure as I am a programmer not a network admin. However we do not allow macs onto the network due to the problems in locking them down and other security related issues. Also every other company I have worked for has done the same (or allowed macs on to a ring fenced network). Now I know I can't give specifics but the network guys I have worked with have been excellent at their jobs and some have even owned macs themselves for various reasons yet all have agreed on not allowing them on the networks.
I'm a network admin guy and can say we have issues with our Design department who all use Macs. They're also a bunch of tw@'s, but I'm not implying that the two are linked!
Haha... bloody designers!
So what's the issue with them then? No one's ever questioned the security of my mac on the network, and I'm my own admin, so I've never really run into any issues.
For a start they have to have xp to use any bespoke programs written for company use as the vast majority of in house software is written in .net (and mono still is not fully equipped yet) also most of the licenses bought by companies are for windows versions of the software and therfore they need XP on their machines to run this too. The there are drivers etc in order to use company hardware. Also if you need to do something really unusual you are far more likely to find a windows program to do it than a mac program. Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network, hence at the company I am currently working for if the graphic designers want to hold on to their precious macs then they have to live without a network, email etc. If you like games then Macs are lacking so XP is essential.
I use photoshop and lightroom on a regular basis and it works fine on my 5 year old athlon based PC. I have used it on Macs and it is no quicker than on a current spec PC. I process hundreds of photos per week so I would certainly notice any speed problems. I also do not have to put up with poor screens. I first used macs in the amiga days and afterwards went for around a decade before seeing another one, then we had a couple of macbooks bought in for some graphic designers. I was astonished at how poor the screens were! I can't understand how they do their work on them!
Well if the company has PC only programs i don't know why it would allow anyone to have a mac!
As for the crap screen, i have a macbook pro so can't comment on the standard laptops. just buy a pro model instead. your graphic designers should have been bought pro models anyway, the standard machines don't have as much grunt.
as for the pc being just as quick, well i have to take your word for it and hopefully you will mine in that my particular circumstances the mac is faster. my pc is 4gb ram, dualcore with a ati firegl v5600 graphics card and it's just slower which is bloody annoying.
we have a mixed network at my office and have no problems having mac's on there. obviously you can't run a windows policy on them to lock them down and i don't want to suggest your IT guys don't know how to use them properly but we've had no problems. it sounds to me like they should just get rid of the mac's no matter how 'precious' they are.
i'd never give mine up though
Unfortunately our Mac Users refuse to use PCs so until the top management decide to tell them they have to then they will continue to be allowed to use their macs, while not having any access to the company systems.
I have never been at a company with a mixed network (and I have worked for quite a few of different types and sizes from 4 man outfits to multinationals).
As for your PC, I can only assume there is a problem with it as I have an Athlon XP with an old Nvidia GT6200 GPU and 1GB ram and Photoshop runs fine most of the time but gets a little sluggish when I am running lightroom at the same time. However when I use it on a modern PC it zips along.
I agree though that the Macbook Pros have far better screens than the normal macbooks, but the normal macbook screens are utter rubbish especially when you get far better screens on Ł300 laptops.
For me personally though Macs are not even an option as I program in MS languages and love em or hate em, MS make killer dev environments.
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
tell me what everyday functions a mac can do, that a pc cant - then tell me why i need to pay over the odds for that??
Also Mac OS is pretty rubbish for locking down in an office network
That's an interesting comment, what issues do you actually have?
I am not entirely sure as I am a programmer not a network admin. However we do not allow macs onto the network due to the problems in locking them down and other security related issues. Also every other company I have worked for has done the same (or allowed macs on to a ring fenced network). Now I know I can't give specifics but the network guys I have worked with have been excellent at their jobs and some have even owned macs themselves for various reasons yet all have agreed on not allowing them on the networks.
I'm a network admin guy and can say we have issues with our Design department who all use Macs. They're also a bunch of tw@'s, but I'm not implying that the two are linked!
Haha... bloody designers!
So what's the issue with them then? No one's ever questioned the security of my mac on the network, and I'm my own admin, so I've never really run into any issues.
Whenever we make changes to the network, the Macs seem to drop out and stop communicating. Me and my team aren't Mac experts though, so it's mainly down to a lack of knowledge on how Macs work.
You can almost guarantee all the Mac haters on this forum were probably saying exactly the same thing when they heard Microsoft were entering the console market... or, if they're old enough, when Sony first announced they were going to make the Playstation. People really can't stand change can they? Grow up, and accept companies change ownership occasionally, and some move into different markets.
By the way, in case you've not heard, the PC operating system always has been a copy of what Apple started years before (and yes I know they didn't invent the GUI). PCs are cheap copies (although I hear MS don't exactly sell their OS for a bargin knockdown price!), but who cares. PC people love their little machines as do Mac people. Personally I find computers pretty dull. Surely it should be about the games we play or the software we use.
Admittedly I've no interest in phones or MP3 players, so Apple's consumer products don't interest me. I will say this for Apple... when they decide to get involved in an industry, they do it pretty well. They/Steve Jobs bought Pixar (from George Lucas) and turned that company into what it is today. They decided to get involved in music and pretty much dominate MP3 these days. If you hate them, you're in for a lifetime of upset as they're not going away, and will expand into new markets. The only reason they've not entered the game market is because previously they've never cared to.
So anyone who thinks it's ok for MS for buy games companies to get into this industry but wrong for Apple to do it needs to reconsider they're double standards.
Question... why are PC users/gamers such an angry and insulting bunch when it comes to Apple? What are you scared of? (please don't reply if you struggle to construct half decent answers or can only insult or use abusive language).
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
tell me what everyday functions a mac can do, that a pc cant - then tell me why i need to pay over the odds for that??
'tard!
The Mac can do EXACTLY the same as the PC, but it does it in a MUCH easier, more reliable way and I don't have to update the f**king thing everytime I go online. But you've never used a Mac so you go and continue your Bu***hit talk. it's funny
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
tell me what everyday functions a mac can do, that a pc cant - then tell me why i need to pay over the odds for that??
'tard!
The Mac can do EXACTLY the same as the PC, but it does it in a MUCH easier, more reliable way and I don't have to update the f**king thing everytime I go online. But you've never used a Mac so you go and continue your Bulls**t talk. it's funny
much easier? like what, a one-buttoned mouse?!
i use all 5 buttons on a pc mouse, and the scrolling wheel - all the time. one button aint gonna cut it.
so no, it isnt easier. and considering some of my most used program arent available for mac, thats even worse.
also reliability... this isnt a 360, its a pc. it isnt unreliable at all. so you cant go one better.
over-priced, over-styled and over-complicated.
100% no need for macs. except, as i said, for prikcs who want to act cool.
look at me we buck the trend, im wafer thin and am made of brushed aluminium. but i wont run 90% of the programs out there. we think different.
its like an exclusive c**t club. obtuse little device.
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
tell me what everyday functions a mac can do, that a pc cant - then tell me why i need to pay over the odds for that??
'tard!
The Mac can do EXACTLY the same as the PC, but it does it in a MUCH easier, more reliable way and I don't have to update the f**king thing everytime I go online. But you've never used a Mac so you go and continue your Bulls**t talk. it's funny
Bare in mind that this being said by someone who LOVES his 360. Made of course by Microsoft.
Nearly all those that hate macs are PC owners too afraid to try something new.
Nearly all those that love macs were PC owners who weren't satisfied with the windows experience.
I can speak from experience and tell you that macs have a much more stable and reliable OS. In over 10 years of mac use I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times my mac has had a total crash/lockup. In those few instances it was simple matter of holding the power button for 6 seconds and restarting the computer.
Now, I would be a liar if I told you that apps don't crash sometimes. They do. But they do so in a way that doesn't effect the running of the OS. You could 10 apps running in the background while your writing a office document. One app could fail but the other 9 will be totally uneffected.
It is this bullet proof OS that makes macs the near enough defacto choice in many professional and time crtitical areas such as film and television production, publishing, medical research and such like. I personally know at least one film director who refuses trust any computer to do his editting and colour timing corrections other than his admitially very souped up MacBook pro. His uses his PC for mail, Internet and the few games he has time to play. But when it comes to his job and how he pays the bills he, and nearly all his friends in the business, use macs.
The entire Lord Of The Rings trilogy was colour timed, and compsited using Shake on mac computers. I personally have not yet found a piece of film editting software on PC that comes even close to Final Cut Pro by Apple (what my friend uses). Even the free iMovie that comes with all macs is better than most paid for software on PC.
If all you want to do is mail, Internet, games and burn a few DVDs of downloaded Smallville, then buy a PC. I did. If you want to start doing something a bit more CPU intensive, require reliable multi tasking or just tired of pressing ctrl-alt-delete, you buy a mac. Plus it let's you do mail, internet, games and burn a few Dvds of downloaded Smallville.
and look at macs. pcs for pretentious, rectangled-spectacle wearing c**ts.
spoken like a person who's never used a mac...
i used to think a little bit like you and there are a shed load of mac loving tw@ts that treat apple like a religion who i utterly despise. The truth of it is that mac's and mac os is just a better system all round. i use a pc and a mac. The pc takes bloody ages to boot up and get its sh1t together, the mac does not. the mac runs multiple apps better than the pc. in fact i use xp as a virtual system from time to time and it runs windows better than my pc! i use it as a work tool (Keynote, FCP. motion etc) not a toy and i can say whole heartedly that mac's are well ahead of pc's.
as for Apple taking over EA? Gawd i hope not but it wouldn't surprise me.
I wouldn't know from firsthand experience as I haven't used an Apple computer in many years. That said, I am anything but pleased by Apple's prices. Someone must be having a laugh somewhere deep in the bowels of Apple Inc.'s headquarters.
I'm a PC man. I'm not afraid of Apple nor it's products. I've read some good things about Apple's OS and I wouldn't mind giving it a try sometime. However, one of my main hobbies and PC interests is gaming. The Mac simply doesn't cut it there at present time, not even close. It's only now starting to incorporate the last generation of Nvidia's GPUs.
The state of Mac adapted games is so disheartening that I'm genuinely surprised, and send a friendly thought to my Mac-using computer brethren, when I do come across a Mac released game online or in a retail store. I'd like for you guys and gals to have the same gaming experiences available to you on your computer platform of choice. Sadly that is not the case; combine that with what I consider ridiculous prices compared to what I can get in the PC market and there's no contest in my mind at present. Perhaps emulations software allows you to run Windows on the Mac and thus play PC games that way, but it involves extra work that I don't have to deal with when using my PC. That said, some of the Macs do look very nice and shiny...
I'm a PC man. I'm not afraid of Apple nor it's products. I've read some good things about Apple's OS and I wouldn't mind giving it a try sometime. However, one of my main hobbies and PC interests is gaming. The Mac simply doesn't cut it there at present time, not even close. It's only now starting to incorporate the last generation of Nvidia's GPUs.
The state of Mac adapted games is so disheartening that I'm genuinely surprised, and send a friendly thought to my Mac-using computer brethren, when I do come across a Mac released game online or in a retail store. I'd like for you guys and gals to have the same gaming experiences available to you on your computer platform of choice. Sadly that is not the case; combine that with what I consider ridiculous prices compared to what I can get in the PC market and there's no contest in my mind at present. Perhaps emulations software allows you to run Windows on the Mac and thus play PC games that way, but it involves extra work that I don't have to deal with when using my PC. That said, some of the Macs do look very nice and shiny...
Ok, responsible reply for your responsible post.
I used to work in IT for just over 8 years exclusively on PC's, built hundreds of the things! I thought exactly the same as Mac haters, why bother. But my sister had a Mac, used it now and then not that often. Then it came to time to upgrade my PC and Vista was out in it's early BSOD day's. I was no longer in I.T. so I investigated the Mac. I was blown away by it and Lepoard OS10.5. It is stunningly simple and reliable. Amazing, so I downsized to a Mac Book Pro. I then brought the new Unibody MB Pro, it's a phenomenally powerful machine for its size. Sure it lacks true SLI graphics and quad core CPU's but it's also less then an inch thick! When the next version of the Mac OS is released in the next few months, it will incorporate as standard the new software to offload CPU tasks to the GPU with OpenCL. So in my Mac I will have a dual core 2.53 CPU, the 9400M integrated GPU and the discrete 9600m GT GPU all being used! And it will all work without crashing and it's built to last for ever out of a solid block of aluminium. Now I think MS are forcing the same thing but it will be there own forced standard, but I predict Apple to do a better job as usual.
Yes they don't have games but that's Apple's fault, it can easily have the games but isn't interested in them, Steve jobs seems anti games and THAT'S why it's a very stupid BAD move if Apple buy EA. It will be a total disaster. Whilst I praise my Mac, it's a computer, I use my PS3 for games and want to continue to do so, I do NOT want Apple to monopolise the market as they no doubt would as I a consumer loose out.
So Mac's owners are smug, elitists and pay more than a PC owner might for a computer of similar power but greater reliablity and apparent ease of use etc, yet they revel in paying more money?
Funny thing is, I bet half of the people expressing their hatred over the idea of Apple making a console will be foaming at the mouth, 'Ihome' fanboys within ten years.
*Note* 'Ihome' is the name I made up for Apple's new console...either that or the Granny Smith.
I reckon this rumour is true. Apple got the loot and they need another direction to look in and games are the big fish right now. Taking over EA would be a quick route into having a large software catalogue then they could go ahead and finish off development of their console. They could be even look to develop a version of OnLive.....hell they might even buy out that tech too.
At the end of the day, these companies are going to do what they want to do regardless. Me...I just love good games regardless of platform, publisher, developer....just give me good games. Oh yeah I'm a Mac owning and loving Xbox 360 owner.
Just want to clear three pathetic arguments from the PC lovers...
1. Although Apple don't make a multi-button mouse, the OS allows you to use a third party one if you choose. I use one, but not for the buttons, but for the wheel. For the multi-button features, my left hand has access to over ONE HUNDRED buttons on my keyboard!
2. New Apple Mac computers can play PC games. No emulation required... they can actually start up in the Windows environment.
3. As I will never buy one, I have no idea exactly how much PC costs. But if cheap gaming is what we're after the consoles literally p***es all over PC for cheap gaming. However if your argument is that anyone who owns a more expensive item than you is elitist or thinks themselves better than you... life must be really nasty when, at the traffic lights, a car pulls up next to you and you know it cost more than yours... or a man walks past you in a street wearing a suit that probably costs more than the clothes you're wearing... or the man at a bar is drinking a spirit that inevitably costs more than your beer. Don't worry though, although my computer is out of your price bracket, I'm sure you have a more expensive TV (if that makes you feel better!!).
This is a good thing, perhaps developers will start treating macs better ID do most of their developing on them, and Blizzard have always supported them. As for business strategies, Apple have done rather well in the mp3 and music area. It may help develop better games, being in competition with Microsoft.
As for PCs are better than Macs... Sure, whatever...enjoy ure PC..I'm more than happy with my Macbook pro thanks.
I'm a PC man. I'm not afraid of Apple nor it's products. I've read some good things about Apple's OS and I wouldn't mind giving it a try sometime. However, one of my main hobbies and PC interests is gaming. The Mac simply doesn't cut it there at present time, not even close. It's only now starting to incorporate the last generation of Nvidia's GPUs.
The state of Mac adapted games is so disheartening that I'm genuinely surprised, and send a friendly thought to my Mac-using computer brethren, when I do come across a Mac released game online or in a retail store. I'd like for you guys and gals to have the same gaming experiences available to you on your computer platform of choice. Sadly that is not the case; combine that with what I consider ridiculous prices compared to what I can get in the PC market and there's no contest in my mind at present. Perhaps emulations software allows you to run Windows on the Mac and thus play PC games that way, but it involves extra work that I don't have to deal with when using my PC. That said, some of the Macs do look very nice and shiny...
Ok, responsible reply for your responsible post.
I used to work in IT for just over 8 years exclusively on PC's, built hundreds of the things! I thought exactly the same as Mac haters, why bother. But my sister had a Mac, used it now and then not that often. Then it came to time to upgrade my PC and Vista was out in it's early BSOD day's. I was no longer in I.T. so I investigated the Mac. I was blown away by it and Lepoard OS10.5. It is stunningly simple and reliable. Amazing, so I downsized to a Mac Book Pro. I then brought the new Unibody MB Pro, it's a phenomenally powerful machine for its size. Sure it lacks true SLI graphics and quad core CPU's but it's also less then an inch thick! When the next version of the Mac OS is released in the next few months, it will incorporate as standard the new software to offload CPU tasks to the GPU with OpenCL. So in my Mac I will have a dual core 2.53 CPU, the 9400M integrated GPU and the discrete 9600m GT GPU all being used! And it will all work without crashing and it's built to last for ever out of a solid block of aluminium. Now I think MS are forcing the same thing but it will be there own forced standard, but I predict Apple to do a better job as usual.
Yes they don't have games but that's Apple's fault, it can easily have the games but isn't interested in them, Steve jobs seems anti games and THAT'S why it's a very stupid BAD move if Apple buy EA. It will be a total disaster. Whilst I praise my Mac, it's a computer, I use my PS3 for games and want to continue to do so, I do NOT want Apple to monopolise the market as they no doubt would as I a consumer loose out.
Fair enough. The Leopard OS does sound nice; I'm curious to see if Windows 7 really is "Vista done right" when it's released later this year.
So Mac's owners are smug, elitists and pay more than a PC owner might for a computer of similar power but greater reliablity and apparent ease of use etc, yet they revel in paying more money?
Funny thing is, I bet half of the people expressing their hatred over the idea of Apple making a console will be foaming at the mouth, 'Ihome' fanboys within ten years.
*Note* 'Ihome' is the name I made up for Apple's new console...either that or the Granny Smith.
Just want to clear three pathetic arguments from the PC lovers...
1. Although Apple don't make a multi-button mouse, the OS allows you to use a third party one if you choose. I use one, but not for the buttons, but for the wheel. For the multi-button features, my left hand has access to over ONE HUNDRED buttons on my keyboard!
2. New Apple Mac computers can play PC games. No emulation required... they can actually start up in the Windows environment.
3. As I will never buy one, I have no idea exactly how much PC costs. But if cheap gaming is what we're after the consoles literally p***es all over PC for cheap gaming. However if your argument is that anyone who owns a more expensive item than you is elitist or thinks themselves better than you... life must be really nasty when, at the traffic lights, a car pulls up next to you and you know it cost more than yours... or a man walks past you in a street wearing a suit that probably costs more than the clothes you're wearing... or the man at a bar is drinking a spirit that inevitably costs more than your beer. Don't worry though, although my computer is out of your price bracket, I'm sure you have a more expensive TV (if that makes you feel better!!).
1. Join the club.
2. Good for you. Now wouldn't it be nice if Macs represented a large enough market segment for AAA titles to be developed specifically for them? You don't have to answer that.
3. Welcome to the daily rat race in a capitalist society. Incidentally, getting a cheaper priced PC with equal, or even superior hardware, doesn't automatically have to equate with being unreliable. Mileage may vary from owner to owner.
So Mac's owners are smug, elitists and pay more than a PC owner might for a computer of similar power but greater reliablity and apparent ease of use etc, yet they revel in paying more money?
That sounds very familiar...
I can't even begin to know what your talking about.(The sad thing is that I am a ps3 owner but having been a part of these forums for a few months I can't help but agree with you!).
And @ the KFC case, the grasshopper is the first person I thought of as well
The_KFD_Case, actually I'm happy to answer your points.
1. So with a keyboard and left hand who cares how many buttons a mouse has? For work I certainly don't need any more than one button as I use keyboard shortcuts to ensure I work efficiently and fast.
2. My Mac is for work. I used to game on it (and yes even with the 'disability' of one button, was always one of, if not, the best in any server I joined! And, no these weren't Mac-specific games). In all honesty I don't care whether games are developed on the Mac or not. Equally I don't care if PC gaming dies, or Sony stop making consoles. All that matters to me are the games I chose to play.
3. What always amazes me is hearing a PC gamer suggest Macs are overpriced, when the majority are constantly chasing the latest and greatest video cards to keep up with the games, or have something to show-off to their friends. And while new Macs may be expensive, second-hand resale value actually makes them a far cheaper long-term prospect than a PC which is worthless as soon as it's taken out of it's box.
You don't have to convince me about the superiority of PC gaming over the Mac. My next Mac will allow me to play PC games also, or perhaps by then I'll just go out and buy the new Apple games console. Then again... EA have never made a game yet that I've been interested in. If this story comes true, Apple will probably buy out a few more game developers. Rockstar perhaps? Epic, Crytek or Infinity Ward? Who knows, it's an open market if you're willing to splash the cash. Everyone has a price.
most mac users think they are cool or alternative.
even though they arent using it for anything a pc cant pull off.
a bit like the people who use linux on a pc, pretending to be hardcore.
pcs are supposed to be, of all things, functional.
not some glass futuristic, feature-gimped peice of fung shway.
Here we go again with the anti I hate Mac crap, I never touched a Mac crap. Tard. Man your so stupid. Keep going as I'm enjoying the laugh to be honest..
tell me what everyday functions a mac can do, that a pc cant - then tell me why i need to pay over the odds for that??
'tard!
The Mac can do EXACTLY the same as the PC, but it does it in a MUCH easier, more reliable way and I don't have to update the f**king thing everytime I go online. But you've never used a Mac so you go and continue your Bu***hit talk. it's funny
The point is you can buy a PC that is just as powerful as a Mac for 60 percent less than a Mac, so why buy a crap imitation PC with an Aluminium finish, when PCs are so much cheaper and easier to use.
I don't believe that this "story" holds much weight but it wouldn't be a big surprise. I have never bought EA products as i believe them to be inferior mass produced rubbish. EA will need to adapt to survive over the next few years or they will be put to the sword by digital distribution's uptake. I am an admitted EA hater and i relish the idea of them and some of the other big publishers getting a financial slapping over the next few years. Apple has a lot of experience in digital distribution and EA has decades of experience in the games industry so it would be of great benefit to both companies to merge. I do suspect like most things EA related though that eventually it would have detrimental implications for the industry. I wish they would go away all ready
Just want to clear three pathetic arguments from the PC lovers...
1. Although Apple don't make a multi-button mouse, the OS allows you to use a third party one if you choose. I use one, but not for the buttons, but for the wheel. For the multi-button features, my left hand has access to over ONE HUNDRED buttons on my keyboard!
2. New Apple Mac computers can play PC games. No emulation required... they can actually start up in the Windows environment.
3. As I will never buy one, I have no idea exactly how much PC costs. But if cheap gaming is what we're after the consoles literally p***es all over PC for cheap gaming. However if your argument is that anyone who owns a more expensive item than you is elitist or thinks themselves better than you... life must be really nasty when, at the traffic lights, a car pulls up next to you and you know it cost more than yours... or a man walks past you in a street wearing a suit that probably costs more than the clothes you're wearing... or the man at a bar is drinking a spirit that inevitably costs more than your beer. Don't worry though, although my computer is out of your price bracket, I'm sure you have a more expensive TV (if that makes you feel better!!).
Now I am not a PC fanboy as I have been using computers for a long time and have owned many different computers and consoles. However your argument that a mac can play pc games is very weak as you need to install windows to do so! Bearing in mind that the big bragging point for the majority of mac owners is mac os, the fact that you have to install windows is somewhat of a admission that you need windows to make the mac more useful. Also if I wanted to run Mac OS on my PC I could do so (in fact I have used a PC with mac os). It may be illegal due to Apples restrictive license but it is possible.
The point people are making about the price of macs is that they are far more expensive than an equivelant PC and are less practical for many of the reasons listed elswhere in the thread. The majority of mac owners I know use their mac for photoshop, premiere, illustrator and dtp, which can all be done on a laptop which is a fraction of the price of a macbook.
My favourite computer is the Amiga, it was far more powerful than any PC of the time, it had the best OS by far and was reliable enough to be used in the space shuttle in the days when PCs used to crash on an hourly basis, however even I came to the sad and teary realisation that the PC was becoming far more useful in day to day tasks and the Amiga was staying pretty static. I went through university using my Amiga for Word processing with an excellent word processor however having to jump through hoops to get the files across to the uni PCs was becoming tedious. When I left Uni I finally made the decision to get a PC. I still own my amiga and still think it is the greatest home computer ever made, however the PC was just far more useful.
The_KFD_Case, actually I'm happy to answer your points.
1. So with a keyboard and left hand who cares how many buttons a mouse has? For work I certainly don't need any more than one button as I use keyboard shortcuts to ensure I work efficiently and fast.
2. My Mac is for work. I used to game on it (and yes even with the 'disability' of one button, was always one of, if not, the best in any server I joined! And, no these weren't Mac-specific games). In all honesty I don't care whether games are developed on the Mac or not. Equally I don't care if PC gaming dies, or Sony stop making consoles. All that matters to me are the games I chose to play.
3. What always amazes me is hearing a PC gamer suggest Macs are overpriced, when the majority are constantly chasing the latest and greatest video cards to keep up with the games, or have something to show-off to their friends. And while new Macs may be expensive, second-hand resale value actually makes them a far cheaper long-term prospect than a PC which is worthless as soon as it's taken out of it's box.
You don't have to convince me about the superiority of PC gaming over the Mac. My next Mac will allow me to play PC games also, or perhaps by then I'll just go out and buy the new Apple games console. Then again... EA have never made a game yet that I've been interested in. If this story comes true, Apple will probably buy out a few more game developers. Rockstar perhaps? Epic, Crytek or Infinity Ward? Who knows, it's an open market if you're willing to splash the cash. Everyone has a price.
1. Good for you; as mentioned previously mileage may wary from user to user. What's sufficient for you may not be sufficient for someone else and vice versa.
2. I support your right to make that choice. I also support my right to make my choice.
3. Perhaps, yet the glory hounds chasing the latest and greatest hardware in all probability make up a fraction of the PC market and the PC gaming market as well. I will confess that after buying my latest computer I started to feel the itch of the upgrade bug, but I've resisted it since I like to strike a good balance between price and functionality.
Speaking of the rumor about Apple buying EA it now seems to be discounted by some (then again, it was a rumor to start with). Some speculate that it would make more financial sense for Apple to make a bid for WB Music since that would grant them ownership of ca. 20% of music licenses while also fitting neatly within their existing product line-up. Either way I'll wait for some hard proof before throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I don't doubt Apple has the technological expertise to make games or a gaming console if they set their resources and talent to it, but if a previous poster's comments about Steve Jobs' attitude towards gaming rings true then it may not be in the cards just yet. I'll say this: If Apple do make a gaming console it'll have to blow me away to even consider it over the existing pickings; either way I await the next generation.
So Mac's owners are smug, elitists and pay more than a PC owner might for a computer of similar power but greater reliablity and apparent ease of use etc, yet they revel in paying more money?
That sounds very familiar...
I can't even begin to know what your talking about.(The sad thing is that I am a ps3 owner but having been a part of these forums for a few months I can't help but agree with you!).
And @ the KFC case, the grasshopper is the first person I thought of as well
I was actually thinking of the larger "Sony Defence Force" in general, but Svd does seem to feature in that group.
And while new Macs may be expensive, second-hand resale value actually makes them a far cheaper long-term prospect than a PC which is worthless as soon as it's taken out of it's box
Yeah I got Ł300 for my 3 year old G4 iBook, which originally cost me Ł780. Pretty impressive, and took the sting out of buying my Unibody Macbook.
Anyway back to the original story.. I still think it would be a good thing for apple to buy out EA, but don't worry, chance of it happening are pretty slim. This is all rumors and speculation.
The point is you can buy a PC that is just as powerful as a Mac for 60 percent less than a Mac, so why buy a crap imitation PC with an Aluminium finish, when PCs are so much cheaper and easier to use.
Er, nope, the point is that PC's are easier to use in YOUR PERSONAL opinion not FACT. Because in MY PERSONAL opinion Macs wipe the floor with any PC on usability, speed, ease of use. Do you think having anti virus and spyware and malware programmes running in the background constantly using up CPU cycles is a good thing????
And back to the price crap, an Alienware M15X configured to the same spec as the mid range Mac Book Pro costs about Ł21 MORE then the Mac, and it doesn't even have the same FSB, it's SLOWER!! hahahahaha So a slower machine for more money and also a bigger heavier machine too. Find a laptop with the same specs, 15 or 16" screen AND that you can order with Vista Ultimate 64bit Pre-installed, go on....
The point is you can buy a PC that is just as powerful as a Mac for 60 percent less than a Mac, so why buy a crap imitation PC with an Aluminium finish, when PCs are so much cheaper and easier to use.
Er, nope, the point is that PC's are easier to use in YOUR PERSONAL opinion not FACT. Because in MY PERSONAL opinion Macs wipe the floor with any PC on usability, speed, ease of use. Do you think having anti virus and spyware and malware programmes running in the background constantly using up CPU cycles is a good thing????
And back to the price crap, an Alienware M15X configured to the same spec as the mid range Mac Book Pro costs about Ł21 MORE then the Mac, and it doesn't even have the same FSB, it's SLOWER!! hahahahaha So a slower machine for more money and also a bigger heavier machine too. Find a laptop with the same specs, 15 or 16" screen AND that you can order with Vista Ultimate 64bit Pre-installed, go on....
Macs are not immune to viruses or malware! In fact Apple are slower at fixing the security holes than even MS are. The simple fact is that as there are far far more Windows PCs out there than Macs, virus writters are more likely to target Windows as their return is likely to be higher. However there are viruses for macs and as a mac user the lack of anti-virus will mean that if those viruses do find there way onto your system you are not protected. In any case the Anti-virus software that I use is free and quite good on resources, unlike the evil norton....
Also the Alienware laptop you are refering to has 512mb of (I think) dedicated graphics memory on a 9800 card compared to the 9600 card in the mac pro with shared 256 graphics memory. That should easily account for the increase in price! Alienware are a little overpriced anyway.
The point is you can buy a PC that is just as powerful as a Mac for 60 percent less than a Mac, so why buy a crap imitation PC with an Aluminium finish, when PCs are so much cheaper and easier to use.
Er, nope, the point is that PC's are easier to use in YOUR PERSONAL opinion not FACT. Because in MY PERSONAL opinion Macs wipe the floor with any PC on usability, speed, ease of use. Do you think having anti virus and spyware and malware programmes running in the background constantly using up CPU cycles is a good thing????
And back to the price crap, an Alienware M15X configured to the same spec as the mid range Mac Book Pro costs about Ł21 MORE then the Mac, and it doesn't even have the same FSB, it's SLOWER!! hahahahaha So a slower machine for more money and also a bigger heavier machine too. Find a laptop with the same specs, 15 or 16" screen AND that you can order with Vista Ultimate 64bit Pre-installed, go on....
Oh dear. Seems like the inner Apple fanboy finally managed to escape from the closet.
The point is you can buy a PC that is just as powerful as a Mac for 60 percent less than a Mac, so why buy a crap imitation PC with an Aluminium finish, when PCs are so much cheaper and easier to use.
Er, nope, the point is that PC's are easier to use in YOUR PERSONAL opinion not FACT. Because in MY PERSONAL opinion Macs wipe the floor with any PC on usability, speed, ease of use. Do you think having anti virus and spyware and malware programmes running in the background constantly using up CPU cycles is a good thing????
And back to the price crap, an Alienware M15X configured to the same spec as the mid range Mac Book Pro costs about Ł21 MORE then the Mac, and it doesn't even have the same FSB, it's SLOWER!! hahahahaha So a slower machine for more money and also a bigger heavier machine too. Find a laptop with the same specs, 15 or 16" screen AND that you can order with Vista Ultimate 64bit Pre-installed, go on....
Macs are not immune to viruses or malware! In fact Apple are slower at fixing the security holes than even MS are. The simple fact is that as there are far far more Windows PCs out there than Macs, virus writters are more likely to target Windows as their return is likely to be higher. However there are viruses for macs and as a mac user the lack of anti-virus will mean that if those viruses do find there way onto your system you are not protected. In any case the Anti-virus software that I use is free and quite good on resources, unlike the evil norton....
Also the Alienware laptop you are refering to has 512mb of (I think) dedicated graphics memory on a 9800 card compared to the 9600 card in the mac pro with shared 256 graphics memory. That should easily account for the increase in price! Alienware are a little overpriced anyway.
Alienware tends to be more than just "a little" overpriced. It's a cheap shot comparison to a Mac anyway given that Alienware is a notoriously expensive brand that caters to a very small fraction of the existing PC gaming market which is in turn a minority in the overall PC market. If his comparison is to hold any water he needs to compare a PC and a Mac on a spec basis vs. the price. I'm guessing that would be less than convenient though.
Also the Alienware laptop you are refering to has 512mb of (I think) dedicated graphics memory on a 9800 card compared to the 9600 card in the mac pro with shared 256 graphics memory. That should easily account for the increase in price! Alienware are a little overpriced anyway.
Please research before replying eh ONLY the bottom range Mac Book Pro has 256, ALL the others have 512mb dedicated DDR video ram. And I know Alienware is a bad example but funnily I couldn't find 15 or 16 inch laptops with the same spec as the 2.6 Mac Book Pro AND Windows Vista ultimate 64 bit pre installed from Dell or HP. And why Vista Ultimate 64bit? Because Apple sells ONE version of it's Leopard OS and it's 64bit. So I can actually use all 4gigs of my ram hahaha.
And I'm not an 'Apple' fan, just a 'Apple Mac' fan, I hate the iPhone and how Apple sells it with a vengence, I think an EA buyout would be disastorous. I've just seen so many times people say this and that against Macs and every time they have been proved wrong. Also the way a Mac works? You HAVE to give permission to anything that tries to force itself and download onto your computer and also if anything installs on the computer, so if you get a virus it's human error, most of them are on PC's too.
I also don't understand or agree with Apple having all this cash reserve how they can lay people off? Bad company.
Also the Alienware laptop you are refering to has 512mb of (I think) dedicated graphics memory on a 9800 card compared to the 9600 card in the mac pro with shared 256 graphics memory. That should easily account for the increase in price! Alienware are a little overpriced anyway.
Please research before replying eh ONLY the bottom range Mac Book Pro has 256, ALL the others have 512mb dedicated DDR video ram. And I know Alienware is a bad example but funnily I couldn't find 15 or 16 inch laptops with the same spec as the 2.6 Mac Book Pro AND Windows Vista ultimate 64 bit pre installed from Dell or HP. And why Vista Ultimate 64bit? Because Apple sells ONE version of it's Leopard OS and it's 64bit. So I can actually use all 4gigs of my ram hahaha.
And I'm not an 'Apple' fan, just a 'Apple Mac' fan, I hate the iPhone and how Apple sells it with a vengence, I think an EA buyout would be disastorous. I've just seen so many times people say this and that against Macs and every time they have been proved wrong. Also the way a Mac works? You HAVE to give permission to anything that tries to force itself and download onto your computer and also if anything installs on the computer, so if you get a virus it's human error, most of them are on PC's too.
So you decide to pick Vista 64-bit which may seem reasonable on the surface since it is the latest MS OS...until you consider that a majority of PCs in all likelihood use a 32-bit system and by far most systems still utilise XP. Vista being the whipping boy that it is will probably go the way of ME: Quickly replaced by Windows 7 and then relegated to quietly fade from public view despite MS's claims otherwise.
The previous comment about viruses being far more predominant on PCs because Windows is the unquestioned dominant OS in the world is entirely accurate. Whether Mac anti-virus software would be able to hold up under a similar scale of bombardment that MS OS'es face at present time is, in so far as I know, untested. Might be interesting to find out though.
I could of bought a higher spec'd Windows laptop for the price of my Macbook. No question about that. If I did I'd buy a high end Sony, as I like the build quality.
But I like my macbooks aluminum case, Illuminated keyboard (which is nice to type on), magnetic power cable, and stylish look. The OS is a matter of taste, but I like it.
All of the above justified the extra cost for me.. for another person it might not. Who cares.
Also the Alienware laptop you are refering to has 512mb of (I think) dedicated graphics memory on a 9800 card compared to the 9600 card in the mac pro with shared 256 graphics memory. That should easily account for the increase in price! Alienware are a little overpriced anyway.
Please research before replying eh ONLY the bottom range Mac Book Pro has 256, ALL the others have 512mb dedicated DDR video ram. And I know Alienware is a bad example but funnily I couldn't find 15 or 16 inch laptops with the same spec as the 2.6 Mac Book Pro AND Windows Vista ultimate 64 bit pre installed from Dell or HP. And why Vista Ultimate 64bit? Because Apple sells ONE version of it's Leopard OS and it's 64bit. So I can actually use all 4gigs of my ram hahaha.
And I'm not an 'Apple' fan, just a 'Apple Mac' fan, I hate the iPhone and how Apple sells it with a vengence, I think an EA buyout would be disastorous. I've just seen so many times people say this and that against Macs and every time they have been proved wrong. Also the way a Mac works? You HAVE to give permission to anything that tries to force itself and download onto your computer and also if anything installs on the computer, so if you get a virus it's human error, most of them are on PC's too.
I also don't understand or agree with Apple having all this cash reserve how they can lay people off? Bad company.
Indeed they do, however they still only have the 9600M rather than the far more powerful 9800M GPU.
Also you are able to use 3.5GB of memory with 32bit so you are only getting an extra .5GB of memory with 64bit. Most people do not use the 64bit version of windows and even on Mac the majority of programs do not fully utilise the benefits of 64bit.
The fact you have to download the programs in order for them to infect your mac is obviously an additional safety feature (although vista does a similar thing) however, most people download the infected software in the first place (most often via bitorrent).
Plus to play games you will have to purchase windows for your mac.
So you decide to pick Vista 64-bit which may seem reasonable on the surface since it is the latest MS OS...until you consider that a majority of PCs in all likelihood use a 32-bit system and by far most systems still utilise XP. Vista being the whipping boy that it is will probably go the way of ME: Quickly replaced by Windows 7 and then relegated to quietly fade from public view despite MS's claims otherwise.
Of course I choose Vista Ultimate 64bit, all the comments about cost are relating to brand new machines available on the market today. So if you compare then you HAVE to and MUST compare the MacOS to Vsita Ultimate 64bit ONLY. Otherwise it is in no way a fair comparison and all arguments are worthless against the Mac. As I said, Leopard is sold in one variant only with ALL the features as standard and is 64BIT. As I said, you have to tell a Mac you want to install something, it can't do it without you knowing.
And the comment about you only loose 512MB of memory!! hahaha, so your perfectly happy to WASTE all that money on memory your operating system will never and is incapable of using, willing to accept it from Microsoft and the laptop manufacturer, yet you state Macs are overpriced!!! Can you actually see the irony here? The flaws in your argument? And yes the Mac does only have the 9600m GT, but it is smaller, less then a n inch thick and still has a much faster FSB so I can get the benefit in EVERYTHING I do, not just graphics intensive apps.
I see no one has matched the 2.6 MB Pro yet......
And with games, I can play natively on the Mac HL2, COD 4, Quake Enemy Territory, but I can then install XP or Vista and play what ever I want. But I don't, I have XP installed just to play Crysis as it's a game I alway's wanted to play, and then I have Quake Enemy Territory on the MacOS. Yet I hardly play them, I have a PS3, I could be a PC gaming fan but I'm not, I like the fact I put a disk in the PS3, less then a minute later I'm playing a game on a 32" HD TV. Nice and simple. But that's me, PC gaming is an argument the Mac will never win, and is also another reason for Apple to stay the hell away from EA.
So you decide to pick Vista 64-bit which may seem reasonable on the surface since it is the latest MS OS...until you consider that a majority of PCs in all likelihood use a 32-bit system and by far most systems still utilise XP. Vista being the whipping boy that it is will probably go the way of ME: Quickly replaced by Windows 7 and then relegated to quietly fade from public view despite MS's claims otherwise.
Of course I choose Vista Ultimate 64bit, all the comments about cost are relating to brand new machines available on the market today. So if you compare then you HAVE to and MUST compare the MacOS to Vsita Ultimate 64bit ONLY. Otherwise it is in no way a fair comparison and all arguments are worthless against the Mac. As I said, Leopard is sold in one variant only with ALL the features as standard and is 64BIT. As I said, you have to tell a Mac you want to install something, it can't do it without you knowing.
And the comment about you only loose 512MB of memory!! hahaha, so your perfectly happy to WASTE all that money on memory your operating system will never and is incapable of using, willing to accept it from Microsoft and the laptop manufacturer, yet you state Macs are overpriced!!! Can you actually see the irony here? The flaws in your argument? And yes the Mac does only have the 9600m GT, but it is smaller, less then a n inch thick and still has a much faster FSB so I can get the benefit in EVERYTHING I do, not just graphics intensive apps.
I see no one has matched the 2.6 MB Pro yet......
And with games, I can play natively on the Mac HL2, COD 4, Quake Enemy Territory, but I can then install XP or Vista and play what ever I want. But I don't, I have XP installed just to play Crysis as it's a game I alway's wanted to play, and then I have Quake Enemy Territory on the MacOS. Yet I hardly play them, I have a PS3, I could be a PC gaming fan but I'm not, I like the fact I put a disk in the PS3, less then a minute later I'm playing a game on a 32" HD TV. Nice and simple. But that's me, PC gaming is an argument the Mac will never win, and is also another reason for Apple to stay the hell away from EA.
Memory is so cheap that loosing 512mb is not particularly a problem. However as you have said you have xp installed which puts your macbook pro price even higher. And see what MS have done there, they let you put xp on a mac, something which apple will not do the other way around.
Also MSI do a pretty similar spec to the Macbook Pro and Alienware laptops for $1149.99 which includes the 9800M compared to the macbook pros $2,499.00
So Mac's owners are smug, elitists and pay more than a PC owner might for a computer of similar power but greater reliablity and apparent ease of use etc, yet they revel in paying more money?
That sounds very familiar...
I can't even begin to know what your talking about.(The sad thing is that I am a ps3 owner but having been a part of these forums for a few months I can't help but agree with you!).
And @ the KFC case, the grasshopper is the first person I thought of as well
I was actually thinking of the larger "Sony Defence Force" in general, but Svd does seem to feature in that group.
Memory is so cheap that loosing 512mb is not particularly a problem. However as you have said you have xp installed which puts your macbook pro price even higher. And see what MS have done there, they let you put xp on a mac, something which apple will not do the other way around.
Also MSI do a pretty similar spec to the Macbook Pro and Alienware laptops for $1149.99 which includes the 9800M compared to the macbook pros $2,499.00
My XP cost me nothing, I brought it over 5 years ago or longer. I had it for my PC, so installing it on my Mac has cost me nothing as I used it for my PC for many years. It's also got nothing to do with Microsoft that you can install it on a Mac, you can only do it because Apple uses the same technology as PC's like Intel and Nvidia/ ATI, this allowed Apple to release Bootcamp to enable dual booting. Sure MS may get more sales but it's Apple that allows you to install a competitor's product on it's machines.
And the fact about the memory, have you stated Macs are overpriced? Yet you ignore your hypocricy and try to mask it but the FACT is your totally prepared to waste your money how ever much it is on something you cannot use, you may as well throw it down the drain. So you have no respect from me in a price argument, you can't, you admit your happy with a PC to waste money, yet state a MAC is overpriced.
Do you have a link to your MSI computer? I just looked on the UK site and they all only come with Vista Home Premium and the 9600m GT graphics.
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