Left 4 Dead project lead Chet Faliszek has said the 360 community is "head and shoulders above the PS3", and that's why the multiplayer-focused Left 4 Dead series isn't on Sony's console.
Speaking to CVG in a recent interview (read part one here) Faliszek said the community aspects of the PC and Xbox platforms "really fit" Left 4 Dead - so it's not coming out on PS3.
"Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we're looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game - it's all about playing with your friends," he said.
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"But that's the short term. What we're looking at for the long term... if it works out, it works out. Right now don't not buy it on the 360 because you think it's coming out on the PS3 - it's not going to. Right? It's coming out on the PC and 360. It's going to be exclusive for that."
Faliszek replied went on: "In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?"
What have 'Chet' and Valve got against Sony? I really don't get it. Were his parents crushed by a Sony Trinitron???
I'd be interested in hearing him elaborate on that statement. I've never used a 360 always had Playstation's as have my mates. What makes their community so much better than PSN?
i thought it wasn't coming to the PS3 because Valve don't develop games for the PS3 and EA can't be bothered to port it.
Which is fair enough. There are also a lot more guys with mics on Live than PSN (for better or worse). Which helps with the teamwork element of it, (in theory anyway).
PC has the best community abillities .. hands down.
Ps3 does have across game chat via the messaging, although it is not instant messaging.
I personally don't like the 360's dashboard, and well if i don't like that i'm just going to be biased anyway. (PS microsoft won't help me to get my live working, when they have people who know less than me trying to help!)
Either way, Valve are great devs, no one can take that away from them. Whatever they choose they do after hours of meetings. This is not a fanboy thing. There is a plus and minus for everything. This for example, They don't have to develop for the apparently 'tricky' PS3 system. the minus is they don't get the money.
That really annoys me. If it was just hardware problems that was stopping Left 4 Dead coming to PS3 I would be fine with, that, but saying it is the community? That is a load of rubbish! I agree the Xbox community is probably better - considering they do get microphones free with the console - but that's no reason not to release a game for a console. God damn you Valve and your inherent hatred of the PS3.
People appreciate what they pay for more than those that don't? I'm pretty sure they said they couldn't be bothered to make a ps3 version due to the difficulty of programming it rather than the community.
I suppose post Uncharted 2 they may be taking the ps3 seriously...and the price drop.
What have 'Chet' and Valve got against Sony? I really don't get it. Were his parents crushed by a Sony Trinitron???
I'd be interested in hearing him elaborate on that statement. I've never used a 360 always had Playstation's as have my mates. What makes their community so much better than PSN?
Me, and many of my friends have both consoles, but we choose to play multiplatform games on the 360, the headset communication and the fact that more people use headsets make it a far superior experience.
What a crappy reason. If they released a game on the PS3 it would sell. People would buy mics and talk. I have a mic already and use it. You can even use cheap bluetooth ones. That isn't a valid reason. It's because it would take to much effort and more importantly money to make a PS3 version, and that you're in Microsoft's back pocket. The community is there, you're just not giving it a chance.
seems to me that valve are in bed with MS right now. Nothing wrong with that as they can do as they choose, there are certain devs that only work with Sony and thats just the way it is.
Is this a reply to the head of Gearbox calling them fanboys? http://www.destructoid.com/pitchford-valve-are-childish-fanboys-that-bash-the-ps3-154301.phtml
It kind of makes me laugh to be honest. I buy Valve games on the PC anyway so I don't care much. Are Valve uber-patriotic Americans or something? Won't they develop on a foreign system for that reason?
And let's be honest, the Xbox is full of obnoxious 10-year-olds (behold the joys of giving away free headsets), the PC is full of leets and cheats who rip into you for even slightly trying to enjoy yourself and the PS3 is the same as the Xbox, but a bit quieter and with more fanaticism over exclusive games (lo and loathe the SDF). None of them have very pleasant communities, imo, with maybe 10% of people that you can actually talk to on each.
The missing out on sales argument carries no weight for me, funny how it's Valve games that get it the most. Nobody seems to be kicking up a stink about Agent, Yakuza etc or the independent developers who release PS3 exclusives. And they are missing out on way more potential customers when you take PC and 360 owners into account.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over them. I'd love to play Uncharted and other PS3 exclusives, but I'm not buying a 3rd console (at least right now), so I just accept it.
But if I had a PS3 would I be p**sed at Valve for not releasing L4D? Hell yeah - I know it's a bit marmite, but it's in my top three this gen and has taken up way more game time than any other.
no it was a report on the head of gearbox calling them fanboys.
I don't understand why he dislikes valve so much, considering it was an expansion pack for a valve game that catapulted them into the spotlight in the first place and then used the source engine for several future projects afterwards
I think that Valve is just being lazy about development in general.
I am sure that Microsoft has a sweet development package for developers with a lot pre-packaged stuff. Things like matchmaking, in-game voicechat. Unlike Sony which has a mentality to let the developer build everything from the ground up.
I think that this is what developers gripe over PSN. A good comparison would be like Valve are your old school VB developers. They like it because it's easy to program.
Easy does not always equal better.
I have had a PS3 for three years now. I have seen how much it has grown. I just don't see why Live is supposed to be so much better than PSN.
If I can do 90% of what Live can do for FREE, then I am good. That 10% does not make any better.
Wait make that 95%. Netflix is now available on PS3.
I have played CoD4 on both the 360 and the PS3. There is a very noticeable difference. That being that hardly anyone has a mic on the Playstation, and those that do effectively talked to themselves. I've never once heard anything remotely tatical as far as the game's concerned being spoken.
On the Xbox it's a whole different story. Yes, there are idiots, yes there are racists and yes occasionally there are some incredibly immature people. But that is to be expected when you allow anyone to have a voice on the internet with the anonimity that allows. But the majority do talk. Some have a laugh and a chat with friends. Some talk tatics or at least let others know what the opposite team are up to.
If you don't care to converse with others, have no interest in team tatics then the PS3 is perfect. If you prefer the opposite of that, you have half a chance of finding on the 360. This is not opinion, this is based on experience.
Ok Valve, can you please stop talking about the PS3 now? If you don't want to develop for it, that's fine, it's your choice. But every time you comment on it you just end up p**sing off PS3 owners more. You seem to have the worst PR skills imaginable.
I don't want to hear another word from Valve unless it's announcing a release date for HL2 episode 3.
All 360's come with a headset straight out of the box. PS3's dont.
I still cant believe that Sony dont include one, they have Home, the PSN and all sorts of other apps that cry out for the ability to speak to your fellow Gamer.
Put a headset in the box and I reckon its a level playing field.
Can't say I disagree with his statements regarding the PS3 vs. 360 online communities. It's like night and day, though the sun is beginning to rise on Sony's side of the online fence somewhat.
Now, PC community vs. 360 community, that's complete rubbish. Unless more companies start pulling an Infinity Ward with their products, the PC community will always be stronger and provide a greater RoI for time (though the initial investment always seems to be greater on the PC side).
And so folks don't think I'm jaded, I own all three and choose to do online gaming on the 360. Don't have time to invest on the PC side (or money to invest in a top-'o'-the-line rig), and I end up watching movies on my PS3 more than playing, though Infamous is getting it's fair share of time lately.
All 360's come with a headset straight out of the box. PS3's dont.
I still cant believe that Sony dont include one, they have Home, the PSN and all sorts of other apps that cry out for the ability to speak to your fellow Gamer.
Put a headset in the box and I reckon its a level playing field.
Totally Agree.
Should have included a High Quality One like the Xbox 360, a basic standard which everyone can use.
I wonder if Valve will still be saying this rubbish this time next year when the PS3 overtakes the 360 in total sales? I bet they change their tune and the money starts doing the talking instead.
I have said this before but i will repeat it. Valve was set up by ex microsoft employees and have an extremly close relationship with them. Most of their staff are ex microsoft and the office building that valve work in is also part of microsoft's office building. Valve are microsoft more than the microsoft game developers are themselves. This is why they slag sony off and will never release anything for any playstation ever. The orange box was done by EA on the PS3. You can check all this out easily enough. I'm no fanboy but i Think valve should come clean on their past and present link to microsoft before attacking a competitor as if they are independant.
I have said this before but i will repeat it. Valve was set up by ex microsoft employees and have an extremly close relationship with them. Most of their staff are ex microsoft and the office building that valve work in is also part of microsoft's office building. Valve are microsoft more than the microsoft game developers are themselves. This is why they slag sony off and will never release anything for any playstation ever. The orange box was done by EA on the PS3. You can check all this out easily enough. I'm no fanboy but i Think valve should come clean on their past and present link to microsoft before attacking a competitor as if they are independant.
huh, I did not know tht. I'm not going to double check right now but I'll believe you for now. I guess that's everyone's answer.
Just because he assumes the community is not as good on the ps3 (which is true) why should that mean not releasing on the system. I'm sure the ps3 community would pick up with more games like L4D on the system and there almost guaranteed to make a profit.
The missing out on sales argument carries no weight for me, funny how it's Valve games that get it the most. Nobody seems to be kicking up a stink about Agent, Yakuza etc or the independent developers who release PS3 exclusives. And they are missing out on way more potential customers when you take PC and 360 owners into account.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over them. I'd love to play Uncharted and other PS3 exclusives, but I'm not buying a 3rd console (at least right now), so I just accept it.
But if I had a PS3 would I be p**sed at Valve for not releasing L4D? Hell yeah - I know it's a bit marmite, but it's in my top three this gen and has taken up way more game time than any other.
well, in all fairness Rockstar and Sega haven't made any inflammatory remarks about any specific system, nor have they come up with asinine reasons why they don't support specific systems. both are multiplatform developers, and both have made 360 exclusives as well as PS3 exclusives. none of that can be said about Valve, so your comparison isn't quite right.
i'm not saying exclusives don't exist, but you honestly can't find more silly excuses on part of a developer for not supporting a specific system than the excuses (particularly this excuse) Valve conjures.
CVG, did you deliberately take Valve's quote out of context to stoke the flames of the fanboys? Or did you really misinterpret the quote?
360 community "head and shoulders above PS3"
Complete distortion. Valve isn't saying jack s**t about the people in any community. The real quote:
"In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?"
He's talking about the ability to connect with friends on each platform.
Oh deary me, this will never end, sony could pay Valve a million pounds to make a game for them and nothing would be made.. Thats not my problem, my problem is how its still an issue. There still seems to be stupid games journalists who are going to ask about the PS3, and for what? The valve guy to pick up the stick and smack the ragdoll while others stand and laugh. Im not bothered what they do, but im bored of hearing about it.
I'm a tad confused.... I play CoD4 with friends on PSN and I fail to see how its difficult. Go on line.... Friends are there.... invite into game..... done have a chat about game type etc..... start game... job done!
Does the 360 have some special magic friends awareness system I don't know of?
(Do they have mushroom rice?......... its the best)
And so folks don't think I'm jaded, I own all three and choose to do online gaming on the 360. Don't have time to invest on the PC side (or money to invest in a top-'o'-the-line rig), and I end up watching movies on my PS3 more than playing, though Infamous is getting it's fair share of time lately.
I've never understood the arguement 'I own all three consoles therefore my point of view is correct over all over points of view'.
Valve are just too incompetent to develop or the PS3 plain and simple. The proof of this is that they stole the Source engine code from the Quake engine. That is why they still use the same outdated engine. They are just lazy no talent hacks. I would love to tell Fat boy Gabe Newell this face to face. Bunch of losers!
Only played Left For Dead and yeah it's fun. But honestly, I couldan't give a s**t weather it's on PS3 or not. Up to them, it really is a fun game but meh.
And so folks don't think I'm jaded, I own all three and choose to do online gaming on the 360. Don't have time to invest on the PC side (or money to invest in a top-'o'-the-line rig), and I end up watching movies on my PS3 more than playing, though Infamous is getting it's fair share of time lately.
I've never understood the arguement 'I own all three consoles therefore my point of view is correct over all over points of view'.
At the end of the day its all personal opinion i own all 3 and much prefer the 360 as i find the Ps3 a pain in the butt to game on with its rather poor voice chat(I own a madcatz and a sony offical headset) I also prefer 360s party system as i play with a set group of friends and its alot easier to jump from one game to another without breaking chat and can invite them all at once making it quicker setting up games but hey thats just my opinion
I would make pork neck with shrimp paste smothered on rice, Stoked. Anyways, everytime I go online on Uncharted 2, everyone has a headset, and we take turns talking. YAY!
Last night I was playing Forza 3 and while 5 / 8 players had mics. Only 2 were talking. By talking, I mean they were nagging each other about what cars they really owned and it had sod all to do with the racing. After another 2 or 3 races, both were kicked / voted out. Not one of the other players said anything... After all, what is there to say?
Getting to the crux of the matter, Valve just can't be bothered to code for the PS3 and they want it to go away - which is exactly why they come out with comments like these. The PSN community isn't going to sod off just because Valve doesn't care. Valve's comments are just going to p*ss people off or fall on deaf ears. Just like XBL & Forza 3, it's pointless to say anything.
X360 gaming is still mostly stuck in "FPS-land". Maybe Valve is right to not bother with the PS3, but then there's no need to say anything about it! The so called PS3 community is also part of the PC & XBL community. There's plenty of people out there who own a combination of systems.
I gave the Left 4 Dead 2 demo a go and frankly, the graphics are sh1t. They look ancient compared with the likes of Uncharted 2 & KillZone 2. The constant barrage of "RELOADING!" quickly becomes annoying like the old "I know a song that will get on your nerves". The game itself is somewhat enjoyable for a short while - but then I found it became tediously repetitive. While it will be a day 1 purchase for many FPS / X360 fans, it won't be for me - or for a chunk of PS3+PC owners (referring to the PC version of course). L4D2 is nothing more than a slightly updated version of DOOM. If one of the Sony teams wants to make a L4D clone, it wouldn't be a problem. It can be done better.
Valve are seriously overrated these days. It says a lot that Portal was rated as the highlight of the orange box. The greatness of Half Life may be remembered by some, but Valve really needs to do something innovative.
It is safe to say that PS3 gamers aren't really missing much. It's Valve that is missing out on people's cash, but then who gives a sh1t about Valve's cash flow anyway? Your loss Valve.
OK first off I am fortunate enough to have an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I do believe Valve just has a hatred for the PS3 even though over all it is the better system, the PSN was just poorly developed I will admit. A headset does not come with every 360, have you ever seen the contents of the Arcade version of the 360? No headset. Also I can't count on both hands and both feet how many times I have had issues with the communication on the 360, it is rather frequent where I get annoying noises in the background and static also the echoing. I have great internet so I know it isn't the issue.
Lucky enough to own PC,360 and PS3 and have many friends across all platforms and i do not see PSN as inferior at all,in fact i regard it better than Live.
Regarding the 360 Valve - where are all the Team Fortress 2 updates you promised?
Fellow ps3 owners fear not, who cares really?...left4dead aint all that, microsoft allways will have the edge community wise over sony ps3, why...? well microsoft have had the platform their to start with for many years before the ps3 made it, but things can change, the ps3 is selling by the buckets loads now, and is catching up quickly to the xbox 360.
These debates often bore me, and usually dont get involved, most hardcore gamers these days usually have both machines.
I had the 360 and didnt like it at all, i never use to like playstation's, now i love them.
We have much more to wait for like god of war 3, heavy rain, and we gt5. And not to mention resident evil 5 with exclusive motion control capability's.
Games that were exclusives are now making their way to the ps3>>>>> ninja gaiden, star ocean, and many more to come.
The game isn't that impressive, to be totally honest. There's no plot as such, you're just shooting zombies faces off, and we can do that in COD WAW. Well, not me, I traded that in, but still. The comment about the community is total rubbish, he's just stirring s**t up. the PS3 easily has a good a community as 360 or PC, and it's free to play online as well. There's more players on 360 and PC currently, although not for long, because of the price the PS3 used to be at. The gap will continue to close, until there's no gap at all. Typical company bulls**t chat.
Why does anybody takes any notice or gets upset by anything valve say about sony or ps3. At the end of the day valve have a very close relationship with microsoft, for many reasons and probably many benifits, if thats what they want, good for them. Thats why they slag off sony/ps3 and thats why you'll be unlikely to ever see any of their games on ps3. I game on pc,ps3 and xbox, They all have good and bad points, depending on what your playing but i do think pc online is better than xbox live which is better than psn. That said I prefer the ps3 most of all, but I do feel that sony need to put more effort into makeing psn a better experience and forgetting things like home until they've sorted things like cross game voice chat and making it easier to invite friends on ALL games across the board.
Its this kind of small mided thinking that stunts and slows progress. I'm sure its some fool like this guy that said the same about online gaming on consoles when the Dreamcast was pushing the buck and fails as a result of noone having the balls to support.
I have a PC and PS3 and would much rather play this on my PS3. Though the L4D2 demo was cool but it struck me more like a big patch to the first than a sequel...
The real reason L4D2 isn't coming to the PS3 is because this moron's "Dev" team are too stupid to get a grip of the hardware and too lazy to spend time reading the manual.
They know fine well that a PS3 version would just end up a buggy mess simply because they're a bunch of untalented hacks trying to make it with the big boys (Compare graphics VS Uncharted 2/MGS4).
It's sad really - they probably graduated from the "Technological Development School Of Kenya".
Then, as a fanboyish defense to cover up their own shortcomings, they bash the PSN.......real classy. Xbox 360 can keep the last - gen graphics of L4D2. PS3 owners have REAL games to play online.
Its true that L4D and L4D 2 not only look very similar but look like slightly updated Half Life games, sure they're using the same engine but remember the jump from Half Life to Half Life 2, its been a while Valve since you made that impact.
Anywho, PSN has got Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 to toy with (hell, even Resistance 2 with 60+ players and 8 player co-op manages to make it look easy).
If its true that Valve is made up of ex MS employees then it doesnt strike as a surprise that they blame the PSN community and not their own development skills. With over a million levels made on Little Big Planet given the games below power sales demonstrates PSNs widening community and isnt the failure Xbox fanboys and Valve make it out to be let alone the big sellers such as COD MW.
I can wait to play COD MW 2 on PSN while Xbox users fork out another Ł30 for a years use (but I suppose the fee is justified because of cross game chat).
They will have to eat there words when they decide the 360 can't cope with the next installment of the game. I will not part with my money when they decide to port L4D3 onto thhe last PS3 which they will given the success of the last two games. Watch this space DEVS
Fellow ps3 owners fear not, who cares really?...left4dead aint all that, microsoft allways will have the edge community wise over sony ps3, why...? well microsoft have had the platform their to start with for many years before the ps3 made it, but things can change, the ps3 is selling by the buckets loads now, and is catching up quickly to the xbox 360.
These debates often bore me, and usually dont get involved, most hardcore gamers these days usually have both machines.
I had the 360 and didnt like it at all, i never use to like playstation's, now i love them.
We have much more to wait for like god of war 3, heavy rain, and we gt5. And not to mention resident evil 5 with exclusive motion control capability's.
Games that were exclusives are now making their way to the ps3>>>>> ninja gaiden, star ocean, and many more to come.
my point is enjoy your gaming.
Left4Dead ain't all that!?!?! What a strong argument you put up. I imagine you're the voice wisdom and knowledge in your own little mind.
Oh, and for f*cks sake, read through your messages quickly before you post. Don't and didn't both have apostrophes in case you're confused. Also, when you reference the title of a game, capitalise the first letter. You'll find it's quite common with nouns. Just a few tips to make your posts a little easier to read and for you to appear a little less illiterate.
I'm beginning to think there's an argument that the PS crowd have more difficulties with their English than the Xbox or PC community.
They lose sales.Me and my 3 dual console owning friends have cancelled Live and only play on PS3 online now.It's free,this year the games have been better and feature set differences are minor to me.Headset sound quality could better though. That's 3 sales they've lost.I loved the first and would buy 2nd on PS3 only.
Oh god, yet another bulls**t load of crap from Frenchy and the HL crew!! Seriously, just HOW are they still in business at Valve? Your a games developer right? Therefore you NEED gamers to buy YOUR product to make YOU profit, so instead of embracing these customers, you decide to yet again slag off an entire console format and a few million potential customers I'm not going to get into the stupid PS3 vs 360, this is just total immaturity being shown by what is supposed to be a serious business, then again all Ninty, MS and Sony seem to do these day's is slag each other off
So, so far this week Valve have offended all British gamers, and all PS3 owners. What's on for next week? No one under 15 stone can play Valve games because they are too healthy??
They will have to eat there words when they decide the 360 can't cope with the next installment of the game. I will not part with my money when they decide to port L4D3 onto thhe last PS3 which they will given the success of the last two games. Watch this space DEVS
it will cope with it easily enough as they are still using the goddamn source engine and will probably be for ages as they wont make a new one for some reason.
If they can pump out a game in a year with the same engine and stuff then why cant they get episode 3 out? they are abt 5 hours long (if lucky) so why does it take years and years to make an expansion? Valve do have problems.
to be honest, if I wanted to spend my gaming hours getting insulted and having my mother brought into the conversation by over-enthusiastic 5 year olds, I'd go for the 360, but the fact of the matter is, I generally find more mature people on the PSN, except on MW last night (Americans are f**king loud and stupid)
I'd also like to point out that, since Valve is a company, and a proffesional one at that, they should not reduce themselves to fanboyism, as it comes across as unproffesional and childish. They should also update their game engine, since it's getting tedious seeing the same visual styles and gameplay mechanics whenever I play their games.
Quick, somebody call in an airstrike while we got all of them in one thread!
…or perhaps a pack of dogs would be more appropriate for these heretics!
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PS3 allows me to speak with those whom I deem worthy and quite frankly I’m glad they’re normally the only people I can hear. An evening on Xbox Live is akin to ear-rape…
Last night I was playing Forza 3 and while 5 / 8 players had mics. Only 2 were talking. By talking, I mean they were nagging each other about what cars they really owned and it had sod all to do with the racing.
Yeah... because in game voice chat is totally essential in a racing game where it's every man for himself.
Way to totally miss the point.
In a game like L4D knowing what's happening with your team mates is an absolute must, and the 360 setup makes this so much easier than an online service where the manufacturers are too busy adding features that nobody wants (hell Home) to realise that packaging a headset as standard would be a good idea.
Hmm, I'd prefer if they left it to the people that want to communicate rather than giving every dribbling idiot the opportunity to warble into the mic...
Giving everybody a mic is unfortunately a bit like giving everybody the freedom to vote...
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